Victory factor: judging by open data, soldiers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces surrender much more often than soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces

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Victory factor: judging by open data, soldiers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces surrender much more often than soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces


Moments of information war


We live in interesting times - you open Telegram, and there are sources of information for every taste, reflecting a variety of opinions, often polar ones. Of course, first of all, information is now in demand about the conduct of the Russian Special Military Operation (SVO) in Ukraine, and here we can study two points of view on this war - Russian and Ukrainian.



It all looks strange, as if in a Soviet newspaper in 1943 the military successes of the USSR were published on one page, and the successes of Nazi Germany on the other, especially considering that many hostile Ukrainian resources are published in the Russian language they hate.

However, Telegram is not a “Soviet newspaper”, nor is it a Russian one, despite the fact that this messenger was founded by a Russian citizen.

On the other hand, analysis of the enemy’s information sources can be very useful; as is known, about 90% of intelligence information is obtained from open sources.

Of course, you should only get acquainted with the enemy’s information resources if you have developed critical thinking, otherwise cognitive dissonance may develop or a desire to commit rash acts may arise, with consequences in the form of a long prison sentence, but if with the ability It’s okay to resist enemy propaganda, then you can and should use the enemy’s information platforms.

In many ways, Russian and Ukrainian resources are similar - hatred is clearly felt, information about dead civilians is published (which is inevitable with such intensity of hostilities), on both sides there are degenerates who rejoice at this, including the death of children (although there are noticeably more such deviants on the Ukrainian side).

Both sides accuse each other of striking civilian targets, but it is noticeable that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (RF Armed Forces) always strike with precision weapons, if there are “arrivals” on civilian infrastructure, then either the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) were hiding their units, military equipment or ammunition at these facilities, or the ammunition was shot down or deflected by electronic warfare systems (EW), or it was generally a Ukrainian munition, for example, an anti-aircraft Rocket S-300 complex, whose warhead is comparable to that of a cruise missile.

At the same time, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are using unguided munitions, including those with cluster warheads, in huge quantities against Russian cities and towns, which they cannot yet accuse the Russian Armed Forces of, although “Ukrainians"They may well strike at their own, just to create an information pretext for accusing Russia of this.


The Ukrainian Armed Forces have been shelling civilian targets in the Lugansk and Donetsk republics since 2014, and Russian populated areas since the beginning of the Northern Military District, including with cluster munitions, but Western countries hypocritically do not notice this

Ukrainian resources clearly show an overestimation of the number of Russian soldiers and equipment destroyed, as well as a tendency to create fake evidence of this. Of course, there are probably exaggerations on our part, but the scale is clearly incomparable.

However, there is one area in which Ukrainian sources of information cannot provide either real facts or even fakes, since they would not be so easy to organize - this is the mass surrender of soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces, with similar facts of the surrender of soldiers There are plenty of APUs.

step over the line


Surrender is a very serious test for any fighter. Most often they surrender out of despair, being severely wounded or facing the threat of imminent death. Of course, if a fighter in a hopeless situation understands that in captivity he will be subjected to inhuman torture and then almost certainly killed, then he will most likely try to commit suicide; unfortunately, we had to see this in the example of our soldiers, that not surprising, given the fact that torture and atrocities in the Ukrainian Armed Forces towards Russian prisoners of war, and towards civilians in Eastern Ukraine were (and remain) the norm.

At the beginning of the war, information about torture by the Ukrainian Armed Forces was not particularly hidden, because even President Zelensky then said "they are what they are". Here's for "just the way they are", led by former President Zelensky, we urgently need, in my opinion, to return the death penalty even before the completion of the SVO, and at the same time we will clean out our Augean stables.


The former but not yet expelled President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky openly justified the torture and murder of Russian military personnel, but Western countries did not notice this fact either.

As a consequence of the above, on enemy information channels, footage of our prisoners of war is the exception rather than the rule, but there is more than enough footage of Ukrainian prisoners of war on the Internet.

They surrender one by one, in groups, in units, however, “cooks and drivers” predominate, without weapons and with weapons, some even with equipment. There is no doubt that there would have been an order of magnitude more people who surrendered if machine guns and FPVs had not been aimed at their backs.drones barrier detachments.

Not only active but also potential fighters are fleeing - they swim across rivers, drown, disguise themselves as women, even attack border guards - or more will happen.

If the ratio of losses in manpower between Ukraine and Russia, according to unconfirmed data from the Israeli intelligence service Mossad, is estimated at ten to one (in favor of Russia), then what is the ratio of those who surrendered - one hundred to one, or maybe a thousand to one?


Now hundreds, and maybe thousands - tens of thousands are surrendering into captivity

If we talk about the factors of victory, about who wins on the battlefield, who has higher motivation, then the number of evaders and those who surrendered is one of the most striking indicators confirming that Russia is winning both on the battlefield and in the information war.

Well, Ukrainians don’t want to die for Bandera, for lace panties, for membership in NATO and the EU, even despite many years of brainwashing carried out by the Ukrainian authorities and the media under the control of the intelligence services of Western countries. There is no doubt that many more Ukrainians are ready to surrender or escape, we just... need to help them a little.

We need to help them


The work to organize the escape and surrender of Ukrainian military personnel must be systematic, systematic - our task is to ensure that more Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers surrender and are destroyed on the battlefields than Ukraine can mobilize.

First of all, there must be transparency, it is necessary to remove the psychological fear of surrender - Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers must know that in custody they will not be subjected to torture and will be kept in decent conditions. For example, it is possible, in my opinion, to organize video surveillance cameras in places where Ukrainian prisoners of war are located with broadcasting via the Internet, and also allow periodic sending of audio and video messages to loved ones, of course, under the necessary control and deprivation of access to communication in case of any violations (calls to fight against Russia, support for Nazism, and so on).

Then it is necessary to provide comprehensive information support - radio frequencies for delivery (currently 49,2 MHz, 149,2 MHz, 449,2 MHz, call sign "Volga"), "Telegram" channels, Internet TV channel to describe the conditions of detention , surrender rules, interviews with previously surrendered prisoners of war.


Surrender frequencies: 49,2 MHz, 149,2 MHz, 449,2 MHz, call sign “Volga”

It may be worth developing a special application for smartphones on the Android platform, for example, under the code name “Choose Life”, the functionality of which, perhaps, we will talk about separately.

Economic motivation - just as there are various formats for rewarding soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces for the destruction of enemy equipment, bonuses can also be introduced for surrendered soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, for example, for confirmed facts of destruction of equipment (promotion: burn the Abrams - get a million rubles), for confirmed cases of killing foreign mercenaries - a short video with sound, for example, a conversation, in French or Polish and the actual "procedure", and for the delivery of a live mercenary the fee may be even higher. Of course, there should be payments for weapons and military equipment taken with them upon surrender - how much will we value a slightly used танк "Leopard" or F-16 fighter "on the move"?

Fire support - it can be assumed that one of the most important factors preventing the surrender of Ukrainian fighters is the barrier detachments put up by the Ukrainian Armed Forces and consisting of ideological nationalists, mainly from Western Ukraine, and they are trying to destroy not only those who want to surrender voluntarily, but and the wounded who simply cannot retreat on their own. The shooting of potential prisoners is carried out using all types of weapons - machine guns, sniper rifles, drops from unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), and FPV drones are not spared.

It is necessary at hour “H”, day “D”, which will be chosen irregularly, haphazardly, to deliver powerful barrage strikes against the second echelon of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the line of combat contact (LCC), in order to make their work against the “fugitives” as difficult as possible. In turn, those wishing to surrender can be notified of this by radio on pre-distributed frequencies - they heard the signal to surrender, shot the commander in the head and ran, or ran with the commander, it’s as agreed upon. It is clear that the “barrier detachments” will also listen to the channel, but at the moment of surrender they will be busy saving their own skins from falling shells and FPV drones.

Of course, this is just an example offhand; in reality, the optimal solution for covering those who want to surrender may be completely different, but it is better to organize this locally, in relation to the characteristics of a particular section of the LBS.

Where to put the prisoners?


If there are a lot of prisoners, then what to do with them?

If we are talking about the fact that the RF Armed Forces take more prisoners than the Ukrainian Armed Forces, then even taking into account exchanges they should accumulate among us. An exchange of “all for all” is unacceptable; they will simply be returned to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and this will devalue all the efforts to capture enemy fighters.

Option one - prisoner of war camps and forced labor - this is not prohibited by international treaties and conventions, although there are a number of restrictions.

There can be many options for “employment”, for example, the agricultural or construction sectors, where prisoners of war can partially replace “valuable foreign specialists”. Prisoners of war can also be used for the needs of the front, for example, for the manufacture of camouflage nets, trench candles, containers for dynamic protection (DZ) and similar products that are not formally military.


Camouflage nets, trench candles, and containers for remote sensing are now being produced by state and private enterprises, as well as volunteers throughout the country; prisoners of war can also do this

Again, this is just an example of the kind of work that prisoners of war can be involved in. According to international law, prisoners of war can (and should) receive wages for their work.

Conclusions


The mass surrender of enemy fighters is a clear confirmation of his defeat, at least morally - the fighters of the victorious army will clearly surrender less willingly than the army that suffers defeat after defeat. Taking enemy fighters prisoner both has a positive effect on one’s own and also reduces the morale of the enemy army, not counting the direct loss of manpower.

Ukrainian prisoners of war can not only be exchanged for ours, but also involved in labor activities in accordance with the norms of international law.

But the most important thing is that it is necessary to facilitate the surrender of Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters as much as possible, providing them with a variety of support in this endeavor by all available means.
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  1. +3
    8 June 2024 03: 41
    “Prisoners of war may be involved and for the needs of the front, for example, for the manufacture of camouflage nets, trench candles, containers for dynamic protection (DZ) and similar products that are not formally military" -

    - That would be fair...
    1. +16
      8 June 2024 03: 53
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      - That would be fair...

      And it would be more fair to restore the buildings, roads, bridges, etc. they destroyed.
      Destroyed - restore!
      1. -8
        8 June 2024 04: 56
        Let them build the road to Anadyr. It's time to touch the Americans too.
      2. +15
        8 June 2024 05: 12
        I saw a video on Telegram of how a Ukrainian stole a tank and surrendered. He decided to surrender, but it was difficult and scary to do it on foot. I saw a tank, sat down behind the levers (I knew how to drive a tractor, I had seen the controls of a tank before), drove towards the front (like on a combat mission at night), called the Volga, raised the barrel, crossed the LBS, and the legs up.
        As for mercenaries, our State Duma needs to pass a law on monetary rewards for information about the location of foreign military personnel, so that with the money they earn, the hiliants can bribe border guards when crossing the border of Ukraine.
        Passed the NATO member - received money for a start in life. good
      3. +8
        8 June 2024 06: 01
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Destroyed - restore!

        Judging by the minuses in the comments, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not want to restore what was destroyed! They just sit there, kicking the fool am
        1. -1
          8 June 2024 21: 56
          Judging by the minuses in the comments, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not want to restore what was destroyed! They just sit there and kick am


          They still need to be protected. And runners will easily appear on the ruins. Let them sit and knit their nets for now.
      4. -2
        8 June 2024 07: 36
        If this is the author's wishes. And 2,5 g could the wise ones have foreseen this right away? And implement it in orders, etc. Is it already mentioned here or not?
        30 years ago, my father showed me the warehouses where they studied, the school.
        While the building was a hospital.
        In 43, the front (Rzhev) was pushed back and Germans and other military personnel were moved into the SCHOOL.
        They were indignant - how come the children are in the coal (?) warehouse, and these are at school? You can’t foresee everything, but you learn from the mistakes of others. Who?
    2. +5
      8 June 2024 07: 31
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      - That would be fair...

      AND THE BOTTOM... Violation of the convention...
      Part III

      ABOUT THE WORK OF PRISONERS OF WAR

      Article 49

      The Detaining Power may employ able-bodied prisoners of war as labor, taking into account their age, sex, rank and physical ability, in particular with a view to keeping them in good physical and moral condition.

      Prisoners of non-commissioned officers can only be required to supervise the work. Non-commissioned officers who are not assigned to such a job may be asked to give them another suitable job for them, which, if possible, will be provided to them.

      If officers or persons equated with them are asked to give them a job suitable for them, that will be provided to them whenever possible. They can in no case be forced to work.

      Article 50

      In addition to the management, equipment and maintenance work in the order of their camp, prisoners of war may be forcibly brought only to work belonging to the following categories:

      a) agriculture;

      b) extractive or manufacturing industries, with the exception of the metallurgical, engineering and chemical industries, as well as public works and construction that are of a military nature or have military purposes;

      c) work in transport or loading and unloading, not of a military nature or purpose;

      d) trade, art and craft;

      e) housework;

      f) utilities that are not of a military nature or purpose.

      In case of violation of the above provision, prisoners of war are allowed to exercise their right of appeal, in accordance with Article 78.

      It’s better to involve them in the restoration of cities, villages and roads, this is ZY
      1. +3
        8 June 2024 07: 40
        Formally, war has not been declared, there is a military military operation, and formally there cannot be prisoners of war? Comrades, who are strong in jurisprudence, give competent comments.
        1. +5
          8 June 2024 08: 55
          And what is there to comment.
          Give the State Duma the task of finalizing the legislation under the SVO and that’s it.
          Our deputies are great. They work like the Stakhanovites: in one week they raise the retirement age by 5 years and reset it to zero.
        2. +6
          8 June 2024 11: 11
          The Convention applies to all types of military conflicts, regardless of type and name.
          1. 0
            9 June 2024 10: 34
            Yours is not true. """
        3. +1
          9 June 2024 10: 33
          You wrote everything correctly.
      2. 0
        8 June 2024 08: 50
        So send them to improve their agriculture.
        Let the fields in Ukraine be plowed. At the same time, they are clearing the fields that were bombarded with mines, shells and rockets.
        As they say: the time has come to collect the scattered stones.
        1. 0
          8 June 2024 14: 21
          Quote: Bearded
          At the same time, they are clearing the fields that were bombarded with mines, shells and rockets.

          Prohibited by the same convention
          1. +1
            8 June 2024 16: 18
            How do we know what lies underground in the fields? what
            We will send their land to plow, and not crawl through the fields with mine detectors. laughing
            1. +1
              8 June 2024 20: 29
              Quote: Bearded
              How do we know what lies underground in the fields?

              So I’m wondering, are we fighting Nazism and trying to adopt its cannibalistic customs? That is, when we fight a dragon, we become one ourselves?
              1. 0
                9 June 2024 10: 35
                Not at all, this is the usual principle of talion.
                1. 0
                  7 September 2024 10: 11
                  So 2500 years of human thought development have passed us by?
      3. 0
        8 June 2024 13: 44
        Quote: svp67
        They cannot under any circumstances be forced to work.

        But you don’t need to force anyone. You need to provide an alternative: either you don’t work, but then you go to Siberia to a camp and get 100 grams of bread a day, or you go to restore what was destroyed and eat a little better
        1. -4
          8 June 2024 14: 20
          Quote from Kartograph
          You need to provide an alternative: either you don’t work, but then you go to Siberia to a camp and get 100g of bread a day, or you go to restore what was destroyed and eat a little better

          Already COERCTION...
  2. +5
    8 June 2024 04: 15
    Of course we need to bring back the death penalty. And send the prisoners to work - to dig some kind of canal, why feed them in vain.
    1. +1
      8 June 2024 09: 05
      The Volgo-Don and White Sea canals, of course, need to be expanded, the river beds deepened, so that frigates with a displacement of 10000 tons can be transferred from the Caspian, Black Sea, Baltic to the White Sea, Pacific Ocean and back along the Northern Sea Route and along internal river routes. You came up with a good idea. They will have enough work there for a long time.
      But we must not forget about the bridge to Sakhalin with access roads and infrastructure.
      Railways to Norilsk, Yakutsk, Magadan and from Salekhard along the Arctic Circle must be built.
      A tunnel to Alaska needs to be dug.
      In general, there is no end to the work. They will have enough to build for the rest of their lives - not rebuild.
      1. -1
        8 June 2024 11: 14
        The canals also have a military purpose (transfer of ships). So the convention prohibits working on such construction.
        1. +2
          8 June 2024 11: 20
          Convention-convention. Shura Balaganov complied with the Shura Convention.
          Channels are primarily of national economic importance.
          The United States spits on all conventions, the ICC, the UN, the IAEA, the IOC, the list goes on and on.
          1. +4
            8 June 2024 11: 22
            So each party itself chooses to comply with the convention or not. But Russia's commander-in-chief is a lawyer, and a pedantic one at that. So Ukrainians are lucky wink
        2. +4
          8 June 2024 12: 32
          Quote: stankow
          The channels also have a military purpose

          There is no need to exaggerate. So agricultural work cannot be carried out then - food can be fed to the military. We must look for opportunities, and not invent reasons.
        3. 0
          8 June 2024 14: 39
          And a tank can drive along the road that the prisoners of war will restore. What nonsense are you talking about?
      2. 0
        7 September 2024 10: 12
        I wonder how much the bridge to Sakhalin will pay for itself.
    2. +2
      8 June 2024 10: 14
      the highest measure of social protection should be in court for war criminals, traitors to the Motherland and local serial killers and maniacs... if you start shooting ordinary prisoners, you will get what Hitler got in WWII
  3. +3
    8 June 2024 04: 21
    For the manufacture of camouflage nets, trench candles, containers for dynamic protection (ER) and similar products that are not formally military

    Author! DZ containers are not formally weapons. But this is pure product military use. Remote sensing units are installed on military equipment to protect it from cumulative ammunition. Where else can they be used?
    1. -7
      8 June 2024 07: 32
      What are you saying? And we were stupid here and didn’t even know... well, now that’s it, we’re as smart as you
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  5. +4
    8 June 2024 05: 53
    Victory factor: judging by open data, Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers surrender much more often

    Another substitution of the essence (chattering). In fact, this only indicates that we treat the Ukrainians better than they treat us...
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  7. +7
    8 June 2024 06: 16
    According to the president, there are 6465 prisoners per million fighting Ukrainians. And ours are 1348.
    The ratio is approximately 1 to 5 (4,8).
    And if the Ukrainians subtract those who were captured in Mariupol surrounded by 2439 people, then the ratio will be 1 to 3.
    1. +1
      8 June 2024 11: 18
      Why do you read the Azov people? Surrendered, not voluntarily!? Then from 1348 Russian ones how many should we subtract? Thousand? Then what will be the ratio between those who voluntarily surrendered?
      1. -1
        9 June 2024 07: 06
        Why? It just needs dynamics. Present the real coefficient (ratio of surrender) in the present tense. And Mariupol was a one-time action at the very beginning with such a gigantic environment. Since then, warfare has changed radically.
  8. +3
    8 June 2024 06: 28
    At a meeting between Putin and leaders of the world’s media within the framework of the SPIEF, it was stated that Ukraine’s irretrievable losses are 5 times greater than those of Russia. They are in captivity in Ukraine 1348 person, in Russia 6465 prisoners of war.
  9. -2
    8 June 2024 06: 34
    The author asks a question
    If there are a lot of prisoners, then what to do with them?
    and immediately answers it himself
    prison camps and forced labor
    There is no point in wasting people’s money while receiving rations, it is necessary to earn this rations and with hard work. But regarding the salaries of prisoners of war for their work, this is too much (international law would go further in this matter).
    1. 0
      8 June 2024 20: 26
      But regarding the salaries of prisoners of war for their work, this is too much

      I don't agree. The salary goes into an account from which you can stock up at the camp store. If you earned a kilo of gingerbread or a pack of cigarettes, you get it.
  10. 0
    8 June 2024 06: 38
    Reasonable article...well-written arguments...I agree with them.
  11. +2
    8 June 2024 07: 18
    Quote: Ambrose
    Let them build the road to Anadyr. It's time to touch the Americans too

    It’s like we have someone to touch
  12. 0
    8 June 2024 07: 44
    Absolutely correct proposals that have been obvious for three years now. It's strange that almost nothing is being done.
  13. 0
    8 June 2024 08: 15
    in total there were from 18 to 20 thousand prisoners from the Ukrainian Armed Forces... now we have about 6-7 thousand left... the rest were returned to Ukraine... and relatively speaking - 20 thousand / 800 thousand = 2,5% of the total strength of the Armed Forces of Ukraine .. I remember in the Second World War the entire Red Army lost 4,5 million prisoners. In total, 34,4 million and 4,5 million / 34,4 million = 13% of the total number passed through the USSR Armed Forces in the Second World War. .. it’s true that in these 4,5 million, according to statistics, there are also missing people ... but even if they are subtracted from 4,5 million, the proportion of prisoners will be significant
  14. +4
    8 June 2024 08: 40
    But in general, for such a large-scale conflict, there are few prisoners on both sides. The degree of bitterness is too great, which undoubtedly greatly contributed to the videos from the Ukrainian side of the first six months of the war.
    1. +1
      6 August 2024 07: 31
      Or maybe the reason is that fewer people are involved in direct contact? And most of the battles take place at a distance or with the use of UAVs, which, for obvious reasons, cannot take prisoners.
      Well, prisoners actually appear during the rapid advance of troops. And when they exchange fire from one trench to another, there is really nowhere to take prisoners.
  15. -4
    8 June 2024 09: 24
    Build a railway to Kamchatka; through Nikolaevsk-on-Amur or through Kirensk, it doesn’t matter.
  16. +4
    8 June 2024 10: 33
    Judging by the information in the “carts”, captives of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are kept in the same status, both those who voluntarily surrendered and those who shot back to the last, I believe that this is not correct.
  17. 0
    8 June 2024 10: 52
    It was the third year of the war, Mitrofanov states that almost all the soldiers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces surrendered, ours do not surrender (who has been changed for three years now is unclear), our missiles always hit the epicenter, the enemy’s accordingly do not (how many years have they been lying about the superiority of foreign electronics), from Comrade Staver We hear that there have been no Ukrainians there for a long time, the Poles and the French are fighting (they are not available in commercial quantities). The supplied weapons are complete garbage (the cycle of stories is small, late, useless.) The situation is like Konashenkov’s with aviation - they shot down all of them, they fly, they were surprised, they went to shoot down the second round, they shot it down, they fly again, they went to the third round. They removed the Minister of Defense, put in a deputy, gave out a brilliant phrase (you can make a mistake, you can’t lie), but forgot to convey it to the staff propagandists.
    1. 0
      6 August 2024 07: 33
      What specifically do you disagree with Mitrofanov? Lying? And Konashenkov?
      But in fact, everything is exactly the opposite?
  18. +2
    8 June 2024 11: 04
    For “the way we are,” led by former President Zelensky, we urgently need, in my opinion, to return the death penalty even before the completion of the SVO, and at the same time we will clean out our Augean stables.

    It has long been necessary cancel the moratorium on the death penalty, adopted by Yeltsin to please the West in the hope of pleasing it and actively supported by our pro-Western liberals. But life has shown that no matter how we try to please the West, we have been and will remain for them a "horde" that must be destroyed - the murder of Russians is welcomed as much as possible. We must solve our problems ourselves without looking back at various foreign "well-wishers".
  19. +2
    8 June 2024 11: 28
    Prisoners of war can also be used for the needs of the front, for example, for the manufacture of camouflage nets, trench candles, containers for dynamic protection (DZ) and similar products that are not formally military.
    I was always sure that our army had such goodness - “like shit in a bathhouse”... But then the need came - but there was none...
  20. Uno
    +5
    8 June 2024 14: 05
    Is it possible to ask the author what kind of open data he relied on when writing this article? Well, I don’t know - reports from the General Staff, the Institute for the Study of War, the Red Cross? At this time, Ukraine declares that it is building a third prison camp
    1. 0
      6 August 2024 07: 35
      Do you, in turn, want to present the open data that you refer to when you talk about the third prison camp?
  21. +1
    8 June 2024 14: 44
    I agree with the author, the more people surrender to the army, the fewer of our dead, the more ammunition we will save. Only now the problem is beginning to emerge that more and more posts in public campaigning or advocating not to spare and not to take prisoners. And more and more people support taking no prisoners.
  22. 0
    8 June 2024 14: 46
    Prisoners must completely restore everything that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have destroyed since 2014 in Ukraine and Russia, and only then can the issue of amnesty be considered, if they are not guilty of war crimes.
    Azovites and other ideological Banderaites need to be driven into mines to extract coal and ore and not be released into the wild until they die....
  23. 0
    8 June 2024 15: 50
    Why accumulate skakuas in captivity and spend valuable resources on their maintenance? The workers among them are questionable. The warriors are worthless. Ballast. IMHO, these people can only be used usefully for propaganda purposes - giving confessions on camera, calling people, making anti-war videos..
  24. +1
    8 June 2024 20: 37
    Surrender is limited by another factor - people understand that they are going to prison for an indefinite period until the very end of the war.
    And the attitude towards Ukrainian nationalists, pro-Russians and Russians who were forced and threatened into a minibus and sent to the army will be exactly the same, they are all for the prison guards"Ukrainians" and "Banderovtsy".
  25. 0
    8 June 2024 22: 15
    You know, dear comrades, let's take a broader look at the situation and take not just the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but all citizens of Ukraine. I love history and ask myself a question. How did the young Soviet state, born from the crucible of an unprecedented 4-year slaughter of the First World War, having gone through the hardest years of the Civil War, manage to gather together most of the collapsed Russian Empire, including almost all of Ukraine? Could the Bolsheviks offer the same standard of living as in Europe and America? No. Were they richer than them? Also no. In my opinion, they were able to give what neither bourgeois America nor bourgeois Europe could ever give - justice, justice for the common man. Returning to today. It seems to me that if a strong move were made tomorrow in Russia, the oligarchs would cease to exist as a class - no, not what you thought, but what Comrade Lenin had in mind - to destroy the economic conditions of their existence as a class. Then I would transfer the commanding heights of the economy to public ownership - so that they serve the people, and not a narrow group of people. I would start fighting not with individual corrupt scapegoats, but with corruption as a phenomenon. And then I would come to the Ukrainians and say, look, guys, you stood on the Maidan against corruption and the dominance of oligarchs, so we liquidated them, we have a people's state, where the interests of workers are the highest value, let us free you from the oppression of man by man. It seems to me that there would be more people willing to go over to the side of such a Russia.
    1. 0
      6 August 2024 07: 37
      Are you trying to transfer responsibility from Ukrainians to Russians?
  26. 0
    9 June 2024 10: 32
    “But the most important thing is that it is necessary to facilitate the surrender of Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters as much as possible, providing them with a variety of support in this endeavor by all available means.”
    It almost brought me to tears (no). Another Mitrofanovschina.
  27. 0
    9 June 2024 15: 43
    The mass surrender of enemy fighters is a clear confirmation of his defeat, at least morally.

    Some kind of crap...
    It's the mobs who surrender, not the "fighters"...
    Have many banderlogs given up? Not counting from the basements of Azovstal - they were ordered there...
    Do those “battalions” that control drones also consider themselves losers?
    Figurines - they work conscientiously...
    And those on the front line are retreating kilometers a month, somehow the defeatist mood is also not visible, otherwise they could ALL surrender at once...
    Do you give up more often? So they have nothing to fear - nothing will be done to them here, and if they change them, then they won’t be sent back further to the front either...
  28. 0
    7 September 2024 09: 52
    And a number of military experts and "experts" following the topic note that they are not giving up.
    They say they fight fiercely.
    Someone is exaggerating this or that.
  29. 0
    24 September 2024 16: 18
    Mitrofanov, where did you see the joyful comments about the death?
    children from the Ukrainian side? I haven't seen a single one.