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New combat vehicle "Terminator" will be presented in September

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New combat vehicle "Terminator" will be presented in September



In September 2013, the Uralvagonzavod will present a support combat vehicle at the arms salon in Nizhny Tagil tanks "Terminator" in the new version, created on the basis of the modernized T-72 tank.

“We are developing a new concept for the Terminator for decommissioned and upgraded T-72 tanks. We will present the new version in September at the exhibition in Nizhny Tagil, ”said Oleg Sienko, general director of the research and production corporation Uralvagonzavod.

According to him, the new "Terminator" is close to the existing look, but has a different concept. With almost the same weapons, he will have a smaller number of crew members, ITAR-TASS.

As explained by the head of UVZ, this concept was developed at the request of "our potential buyers, who have large fleets of T-72 vehicles and are limited in funds." “Not every country can afford the luxury of a five-man crew required for a basic Terminator. Therefore, in response to the wishes of such potential customers, we have developed a new concept, which will be demonstrated at the “Prospector” training ground from 25 to 28 in September, ”said Sienko.

Sienko also noted that India is interested in continuing the licensed production of Russian T-90С tanks.

“We are completers for this program, which is being successfully implemented. We are discussing the continuation of work in this direction, since the feedback from the Indian side is the most positive, ”said Sienko.

According to him, "the tanks produced are already in the hundreds." “For the licensed production, quite serious funds were spent by the Indian side, which is interested in the contract to be end-to-end, moving from the large-unit assembly to full localization of production and the subsequent modernization of previously jointly manufactured machines. It means that process has to be nonstop, - Sienko told. “UVZ together with Rosoboronexport decided to demonstrate a full-scale model of a Russian T-2013С tank on IDEX-90.”

“We have customers in this region, and this time we brought full-scale samples. At past shows, our products were shown in pictures, but this does not give any effect. It’s better to see once than to hear, ”the head of the UVZ noted.

Recall, BMPT "Terminator" is designed to combat the tanks and other armored vehicles of the enemy, as well as to repel attacks of helicopters and low-flying aircraft. "Terminator" is equipped with launchers of guided missiles with a firing range of up to 5 km.

In addition, the BMPT mounted guns to combat easily armored targets and manpower of the enemy. The machine is also armed with two stabilized AG-17D remote-controlled automatic grenade launchers.

In the ammunition "Terminator" used ammunition, unified for all models of combat vehicles of Russian production.

As the newspaper VIEW, reported at the end of August 2012, Dmitry Rogozin in Nizhny Tagil at the exhibition “Defense and Protection - 2012” confessed his love for the Russian car with an American name.

“Terminator” is my first love. This is a great car with amazing power, indispensable in urban areas and makes a big impression at exhibitions. In the West there are none. Therefore, I decided that I will personally accompany potential foreign buyers who are interested in the Terminator, - his words are cited on the website of the Uralvagonzavod enterprise. Also in a television interview for Russia 24, Rogozin noted that Terminator has a “huge export potential.”

Meanwhile, it later became known that the Defense Committee of the State Duma intends to seek to rename the newest Russian tank support vehicle Terminator.
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  1. Vanek
    Vanek 19 February 2013 06: 53 New
    13
    Meanwhile, it later became known that the Defense Committee of the State Duma intends to seek to rename the newest Russian tank support vehicle Terminator.

    I have to! It must be renamed. Some, well, not a name. Something else is necessary. The Russian name is necessary. Ooo - Serpent Gorynych.


    Hello to everyone hi
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 19 February 2013 06: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: Vanek
      The Russian name is necessary. LLC - Snake Gorynych


      Well, Kashchei is immortal, also not made with a finger laughing
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 19 February 2013 07: 07 New
        +6
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        Well, Kashchei is immortal, also not made with a finger

        And I would call him "Thumbelina", like our "Tulips," Chrysanthemums "..., let the enemies meet our beauty with fiery rolls! Guess what kind of gift from a fairy tale is such an affectionate one.
        1. evgenii67
          evgenii67 19 February 2013 07: 35 New
          +1
          Sergey, but the idea is interesting. Imagine such a picture, a single platform will appear and, for example, an infantry fighting vehicle, a tank, and some other dangerous unit (like the Terminator) Ilya Muromets, Alyosha Popovich and Dobrynya Nikitich soldier about the Terminator it seems like there is a name "Frame" (if I'm not mistaken) it sounds like soldier.
        2. demon ada
          demon ada 19 February 2013 07: 48 New
          +3
          inch - I support a good name.
          you can still call a forty-eight-pseudo-descriptor let their translators
          hang from such names.
          1. Jin
            Jin 19 February 2013 12: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: demon ada
            inch - I support a good name.


            Guys, good already !!! not funny! this is a murder machine, what kind of figs is it in FIG? what is not snow white? Again, the little inch is not a Russian fairy tale, so what better name? It’s like a healthy, gloomy man called Waldemar! pah! sad As you call a ship, so it will sail !!!
        3. viruskvartirus
          viruskvartirus 19 February 2013 10: 27 New
          +1
          And which is quite in the "style"))) the most important thing is to listen to the criticism on the first car and take it into account.
      2. queen
        queen 19 February 2013 10: 27 New
        +1
        So they called him to be afraid. Seeing him chew pop food)))) And in our tales they do not believe (or do not read) The machine is needed if at a gallop in Europe smile All good)
    2. Pule
      Pule 19 February 2013 07: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Vanek
      The Russian name is necessary.

      On the contrary, that which is clear to the enemy, so that he was already afraid on the way.
      Type: Russians are coming!
      1. evgenii67
        evgenii67 19 February 2013 10: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Pule
        On the contrary, that which is clear to the enemy, so that he was already afraid on the way.

        Shapoklyak to be afraid laughing
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 February 2013 07: 55 New
      +6
      Quote: Vanek
      Hello to everyone

      Hello Ivan! The State Duma Committee has nothing more to do, there are no other problems in the country. It would be better to have adopted, but engaged in nonsense.
      1. Armata
        Armata 19 February 2013 09: 45 New
        +7
        Hi everyone. At UVZ, there are rumors that as the Armata arrives, most of the T72s will be converted into Terminators, so it may well be precisely for this reason that they are still pulling into service. And I would call "Surprise"
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 19 February 2013 10: 09 New
          0
          Most likely we are talking about the Kazakh version. That they require such a base.
        2. Jin
          Jin 19 February 2013 12: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Mechanic
          Hi everyone. At UVZ there are rumors that as the Armata arrives, most of the T72 will be converted into Terminators.


          Hello Zhen! It would be really great !!! Surprise? Not bad!
    4. Trailer
      Trailer 19 February 2013 08: 00 New
      +4
      No, traditions must be respected. look at the two barrel sticking out and the side launchers. Yes, this is a real tank support complex "Snail"!
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 19 February 2013 08: 34 New
        +5
        Trailer,
        And for me it looks more like Dandelion! wink
        And the name is soooooo !!! bully
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 19 February 2013 08: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Karavan
        Yes, this is a real "Snail" tank support complex!

        Moreover, there are already gastropods - the Shell armored personnel carrier.
        1. afire
          afire 19 February 2013 09: 06 New
          +2
          haymaker
          8 eyes spider
          1. Sergh
            Sergh 19 February 2013 14: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: sergo0000
            Dandelion!

            Quote: afire
            haymaker
            8 eyes spider

            Quote: Denis
            white fox-scribe

            Oh ... fuck you right now I’m getting to sleep guys, completely !!! In kind, I'm lying under a stool ... It remains only to name "Cuckold" and that's it, you can immediately wrap it in a newspaper and smoke.
    5. Denis
      Denis 19 February 2013 08: 51 New
      +6
      Quote: Vanek
      Ooo - Serpent Gorynych.

      It's aggressive, maybe a little white fox-SCRIPT?
      Whoever needs it will understand
      1. queen
        queen 19 February 2013 11: 03 New
        +1
        )))) It could be simpler "little white", invites you to visit, and in the morning their head is splitting))))
        1. small
          small 20 February 2013 12: 24 New
          0
          And I would call: BROTHER, BROTHER-2, BROTHERS, BROTHERSbecause he is a relative and assistant tank.
  2. horoh
    horoh 19 February 2013 07: 01 New
    +1
    Interesting machine.
  3. dominion
    dominion 19 February 2013 07: 10 New
    +3
    There is no need to rename anything to please these dolbyatlami from the State Duma.
  4. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 19 February 2013 07: 12 New
    0
    "Armata" will be ready by autumn, and "Terminator" will be exported.
    1. avt
      avt 19 February 2013 09: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Krasnoyarets
      "Armata" will be ready by autumn, and "Terminator" will be exported.

      I heard about export, and they are going to refine for a crew of three, they say they say that not everyone has money for five. Or maybe one normal BMP? It seems the functions are the same.
  5. Apollo
    19 February 2013 07: 17 New
    +7
    Good morning everybody hi !!!

    Quote: walera4655
    This machine should have been in the troops for a long time, and she is riding around the exhibitions.


    Valera is right, the car must be armed.
    As for the name of the tank.

    Deputies demanded to rename the combat vehicle "Terminator" in "Emelya"

    http://vz.ru/news/2012/8/31/595989.html

    look friends at the photo, this is the killer of all tanks, so he needs to choose the appropriate name. "Storm" would be an ideal name, the semantic load would also correspond to the description of the tank, a formidable tank, or a thunderstorm of all tanks.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 19 February 2013 07: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Apollon
      the name "Thunderstorm" would be an ideal name,


      It is also an option.

      hi
      1. Apollo
        19 February 2013 07: 23 New
        +6
        Quote: Vanek
        It is also an option.


        Greetings hi Another option - "Thunder" is also a good name. The tank looks harsh, hence the name should be harsh. Not only the appearance of the tank, but also the name should bring awe and horror in the ranks of the enemy.
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 19 February 2013 07: 28 New
          +3
          Quote: Apollon
          Not only the type of tank itself, but also the name


          Here, no comment!

          good

          The enemy must capitulate from only one name.
        2. SSR
          SSR 19 February 2013 11: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Apollon
          Not only the type of tank itself, but also the name should bring awe and horror in the ranks of the enemy.

          ))) But whatever you call it)) NATO will rename themselves so they themselves will start pissing ... take our "Blue" from them it is already "Skiff"
          Take our Mi-28 from them, he is already the Devastator)))
          Yes, and along the way "they also called the terminator))) and we" got accustomed ".
          BMPT (tank support combat vehicle), nicknamed Terminator - a new Russian armored vehicledesigned to support tanks, mainly in urban environments. Its main task is the destruction of enemy infantry. BMPT can change the tactics of hostilities and significantly increase the effectiveness of tank units. It is reported by Military-Today.
        3. Jin
          Jin 19 February 2013 12: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: Apollon
          Not only the type of tank itself, but also the name should bring awe and horror in the ranks of the enemy.


          Aha what and here they suggest calling Thumbelina ... probably kidding yourself like that ... not otherwise
          1. Sergh
            Sergh 19 February 2013 14: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Jin
            They suggest calling an inch ... they’re probably kidding

            Ha, you are like in kindergarten: "... children, what does this toy remind you of?"
            The name should be completely opposite to the direction! As an example, at least TOS-1 "Buratino". That's where the effect is, and the army's funny joke. Although, the fighters themselves will give him a name.
        4. afire
          afire 20 February 2013 22: 13 New
          0
          why is harsh necessarily?
          the essence of his work is gently! water everything and everyone on the fly with lead.
          dew? covered a clearing ....
          dewdrop! laughing
      2. Onotollah
        Onotollah 19 February 2013 08: 01 New
        +5
        "Switch"
        laughing
        1. Jin
          Jin 19 February 2013 12: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Onotolle
          "Switch"


          Worthy !!! laughing +
    2. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 19 February 2013 10: 32 New
      +1
      Perhaps the Duma thinks they will be presented with a presentation for using someone else’s brand? Then they can still be understood ... But in general, purely outwardly, this car reminds me of Gromazek from the cartoon The Mystery of the Third Planet ...
    3. Jin
      Jin 19 February 2013 12: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Apollon
      Look friends at the photo, this is the killer of all tanks, so he needs to choose the appropriate name. I suppose the name "Thunderstorm" would be an ideal name, the semantic load would also correspond to the description of the tank, a formidable tank, or a thunderstorm of all tanks.


      Greetings, colleague! Strongly agree! Or what a boar, but not all nonsense! Emelya ??? They're really fucking dumb !!! am * riderki!
  6. Renat
    Renat 19 February 2013 07: 20 New
    +2
    I fully agree with the comments about the name. We even UAZ PATRIOT write in Latin letters. Well, where is patriotism. You might think they are exported by rampart.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 19 February 2013 07: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Renat
      We even have UAZ PATRIOT


      This is generally a separate conversation. I will not buy PATRIOT for anything, just because of this - PATRIOT.
      1. evgenii67
        evgenii67 19 February 2013 08: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Vanek
        This is generally a separate conversation. I will not buy PATRIOT for anything, just because of this - PATRIOT
        +++ for you, but the Patriot sounds (doesn’t resemble anything) !!!! in my opinion, the Russian letters do not look uglier, anyway the car does not go for export, and if it does, they would do an export modification with Latin letters
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 19 February 2013 08: 51 New
          +1
          As a car, it is certainly not bad. What should I say? UAZ he is UAZ. Just the name "kills".

          Where the infantry does not pass and the armored train does not rush, the native UAZ crawls on its belly and doesn’t hurt itself.
          1. Armata
            Armata 19 February 2013 10: 11 New
            +4
            Quote: Vanek
            As a car, it is certainly not bad.
            Ivan, did you ride it? I'd rather take Hunter.
            1. Vanek
              Vanek 19 February 2013 10: 42 New
              +3
              Quote: Mechanic
              did you ride it


              Eugene hi

              Unfortunately no. But I went to the 469th.

              And then, to whom it’s like, but to me, he, Patriot, just doesn’t like it. Like a car, on the road, not beautiful.

              It's my opinion.
    2. Slevinst
      Slevinst 19 February 2013 09: 36 New
      +1
      all manufacturers in the world write car names in English, I don’t know why this stupid joke from the gum club has taken root among the people, you need to include logic with brains in order to understand, this is the standard and it will be exported like somewhere in Latin America or Africa Russian letters
      1. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 19 February 2013 10: 12 New
        0
        And on the "Terminator" will have to.
  7. apro
    apro 19 February 2013 07: 22 New
    0
    New, new, only now invented - when they form at least one heavy motorized rifle boot to break this bad car.
  8. Dangerous
    Dangerous 19 February 2013 07: 35 New
    0
    Can the State Duma rename itself? Like buzdum, crazy, oak oak
  9. sanych
    sanych 19 February 2013 07: 44 New
    +8
    Alas!!! The names "Serpent Gorynych" and "Thunderstorm" are already taken - a demining vehicle and a shooting complex, respectively! But, it's okay - there would be equipment in the troops, but we'll come up with a name! And the Duma should stop toil about the foolishness, they don't like the name fool , no, that would take the car into service of our army, we think about foreign customers ... Myself, ourselves, and once again ourselves !!!

    "Storm"
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 19 February 2013 07: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: sanych
      Alas!!! The names "Serpent Gorynych" and "Thunderstorm" are already taken - a demining vehicle and a shooting complex, respectively!
      And the terminator is the name Su-37, it is clear that this aircraft will not be produced, maybe for this reason it is not worth giving this sinister name to this combat vehicle ..
  10. Pule
    Pule 19 February 2013 07: 50 New
    0
    It’s not the name, but how many boys will cease to be cannon fodder. A good idea, but the base is too heavy for street fights.
    1. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol 19 February 2013 08: 11 New
      +1
      but the reservation is suitable .. if with DZ of course ... and heavy BMP on the same base is necessary in urban conditions. So crazy RPG 7 did not go the whole crew with one shot.
  11. fenix57
    fenix57 19 February 2013 07: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: Apollon
    Deputies demanded to rename the combat vehicle "Terminator" in "Emelya"

    , And if "Svarozhich".?
  12. Brummbar
    Brummbar 19 February 2013 07: 54 New
    0
    Why for our army do not buy? The car is really cool.
  13. Lavrik
    Lavrik 19 February 2013 08: 07 New
    -2
    There is no problem in the name. The problem is the use and capabilities of this machine. 1. Theoretically, the car is very necessary, because being on the same line with tanks in battle formations (as opposed to infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers) can hit enemy infantry. BUT! For each tank (or three) it is necessary to introduce one Terminator into the state. And for all aircraft, this is a huge cost. 2. The terminator has weak capabilities for fighting the main enemies of tanks - infantry. Only the AGS is able to deal with it quite effectively. All other weapons are not effective against infantry. Why such a machine in a tank platoon? And in general, in tank and motorized rifle units?
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 19 February 2013 08: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: Lavrik
      The terminator has poor capabilities to deal with the main enemies of the tanks - the infantry.


      Excerpt from TTX:

      - Terminator designers came to the conclusion that the most effective is the combat module with the following weapons: 2 automatic 30mm 2A42 guns with an ammunition load of 850 shellsbelt-fed, four launchers of "Shturm-S" guided anti-tank missiles, with cumulative or thermobaric warheads, the newest "Kord" machine gun (ammunition load of 2000 rounds).

      When it covers, it will not seem enough!
      1. small
        small 19 February 2013 08: 32 New
        +2
        For such a machine, automatic tracking of the target is also necessary, for example, in an infrared image. All that lit up, stirred in the sector of visibility there a couple of shots and sleep peacefully, and the service is on.
        1. small
          small 19 February 2013 13: 59 New
          0
          For such a machine you still need automatic target detection and tracking, for example in an infrared image. All that lit up, stirred in the visibility sector there, the machine itself will fire a couple of shots, and you just check.
      2. Jin
        Jin 19 February 2013 12: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Vanek
        armament: 2 automatic 30-mm 2A42 cannons with 850 rounds of ammunition, belt-fed, four launchers of Shturm-S anti-tank missiles with cumulative or thermobaric warheads, the newest Kord machine gun (2000 rounds of ammunition).


        Do not forget about the 2 AG-17! smile
    2. queen
      queen 19 February 2013 11: 11 New
      +1
      When we force Europe to peace, then it will be indispensable drinks
  14. Hort
    Hort 19 February 2013 08: 22 New
    +1
    the main question: are they going to deliver it to our troops or not?
  15. demon ada
    demon ada 19 February 2013 08: 30 New
    +4
    call her lada viburnum
    or grant
    so that every time they hear on TV that 70000 units of viburnum frets were released and sold, cold sweat rolled all over his back))))
  16. Lavrik
    Lavrik 19 February 2013 08: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Vanek
    - Terminator designers came to the conclusion that the most effective is a combat module with the following armament: 2 automatic 30-mm 2A42 cannons with 850 rounds of ammunition, belt-fed, four launchers of "Shturm-S" guided anti-tank missiles, with cumulative or thermobaric combat parts, the newest machine gun "Kord" (2000 rounds of ammunition).

    When it covers, it will not seem enough!
    Quite right: when it covers the tank, BMP, armored personnel carrier, anti-tank systems. But not the infantry. Try digging it out of the trench with these tools. Will not work. We need a weapon that can get into the trench and destroy the grenade launcher: mortar, AGS-17.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 19 February 2013 08: 58 New
      +2
      Tanks are capable of performing a fairly wide range of military missions, but the main areas of their application are direct infantry support, anti-tank operations and breakthrough development. It is the last use of tanks that is most effective - tank formations are introduced into the area where the enemy’s defense is breached, and due to the combination of their high mobility, firepower and considerable autonomy, they can advance deep into the territory occupied by the enemy, cutting off the supply routes, destroying objects of military infrastructure, destroying headquarters and communication centers, blocking nodal elements (such as forks in roads).

      And so, to get there, behind enemy lines, BMPT is needed. Under fire 2A42 not one grenade launcher sticks out.

      I think so.
    2. subsprite
      subsprite 19 February 2013 09: 26 New
      +1
      LavrikThe terminator is positioned more to support tanks in urban battles. What are the trenches in the city? Here, in time, you need to pinpoint the enemy in the window openings and be able to destroy him outside the walls and not only on the ground floors. So when the wall behind which the infantry is hiding starts to be shredded by a 30 mm twin quick-firing gun, and AGS grenades fly into the windows, it will not seem enough. In addition, in the fields, too, with such weapons it is possible to support tanks quite effectively. And for picking out infantry from the trench there is another technique. Each task, its own equipment and its own weapons ... You are not indignant that the tanks are not needed, since they are struggling badly with airplanes?
      1. Lavrik
        Lavrik 19 February 2013 10: 45 New
        0
        Quote: subsprite
        The terminator is positioned more to support tanks in urban battles. What are the trenches in the city?
        For combat in urban conditions, assault groups are being created consisting of motorized rifle (infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers), tank, engineer-sapper and other units. They have everything necessary for fighting in the city: tank guns, 30-mm guns, machine guns, etc. There is no need for a Terminator there.
        Quote: subsprite
        And for picking out infantry from the trench there is another technique.
        Which one is interesting?
        1. Bekzat
          Bekzat 19 February 2013 15: 30 New
          0
          Greetings to all, for Lavrik, what about Buratino? mine against enemy infantry is very suitable, what do you think?
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 22 February 2013 18: 25 New
            +1
            Countryman, "Buratino" performs other tasks. He wets the enemy at a considerable distance. A "Terminator" must act in tandem with a tank. The tank hits other tanks, and the BMPT covers its tank from small (but no less dangerous) anti-tank weapons of the enemy.
      2. PROXOR
        PROXOR 19 February 2013 10: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: subsprite
        The terminator is positioned more to support tanks in urban battles. What are the trenches in the city? Here, in time, you need to pinpoint the enemy in the window openings and be able to destroy him outside the walls and not only on the ground floors. So when the wall behind which the infantry is hiding starts to be shredded by a 30 mm twin quick-firing gun, and AGS grenades fly into the windows, it will not seem enough. In addition, in the fields, too, with such weapons it is possible to support tanks quite effectively. And for picking out infantry from the trench there is another technique. Each task, its own equipment and its own weapons ... You are not indignant that the tanks are not needed, since they are struggling badly with airplanes?

        subsprite, That's it. Such a group of cars will interfere with each other in the city. The terminator includes the entire set in its armament, runs protection better than the tank, and at the same time it will be less cramped in urban street fighting.
        Let me remind you that Syriacs are now working in cities with T-72 and BMP-2 tanks. But they are hung every shake from the komulativ.
    3. Hort
      Hort 19 February 2013 10: 11 New
      0
      duck on it are like two AGS. Tests from the range of this BMPT were shown on TV - famously thrashed with AGS-17 just
  17. embryo
    embryo 19 February 2013 09: 04 New
    0
    An impressive car ... In the city for such a drive ...
    1. PROXOR
      PROXOR 19 February 2013 09: 18 New
      +2
      So it is designed for the city. Will you go to Alepo on it? wink
  18. skrgar
    skrgar 19 February 2013 09: 07 New
    +1
    MARUSYA .. one, two, three viburnum (red means!) A black lady
    In the "garden" (in battle), the "berries" (of different enemies) RAVAL (just ripped off their heads!) ...
  19. PROXOR
    PROXOR 19 February 2013 09: 17 New
    0
    Something I do not catch up.
    The mechanic driver behind him left and right two shooters and the commander of the car under the tower. WHERE is 5th and what is he doing with? And where does he sit there? Specialists clarify.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 February 2013 10: 54 New
      +1
      You forgot about the gunner of the main armament. "arrows" control two AG
  20. Lavrik
    Lavrik 19 February 2013 09: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Vanek
    Under fire 2A42 not one grenade launcher sticks out.
    Shells 2A42 having a flat (almost horizontal) flight path should hit the target (grenade launcher) of about 0,3 * 0,4 m in size. I didn’t hit it - it flew far back from the grenade launcher. If you shoot from a mortar, AGS, howitzer, then the projectile rises to a height of several meters (tens, or even hundreds) and falls from above into the trench (next to the trench). The probability of hitting a grenade launcher in the latter case is much higher. than in the first.
  21. Slevinst
    Slevinst 19 February 2013 09: 32 New
    +1
    But wasn’t it called the frame :?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 February 2013 10: 05 New
      0
      It is the "Frame". "Terminator" is a PR stunt designed for foreign customers.
      1. Slevinst
        Slevinst 19 February 2013 10: 13 New
        0
        So, upon request on the Internet, it is called "frame99" for our troops, you can leave the name without the number 99, and for export and the terminator will go
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 19 February 2013 10: 15 New
          0
          Late. This is the Terminator. No options.
  22. vorobey
    vorobey 19 February 2013 09: 39 New
    +6
    In Syria, a run-in with a dozen.

    Meanwhile, it later became known that the Defense Committee of the State Duma intends to seek to rename the newest Russian tank support vehicle Terminator.

    Inquisitor it.
    1. Armata
      Armata 19 February 2013 10: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: vorobey
      Inquisitor
      Hello Sanya. This is also not a Russian word. So no better than a terminator. I expected "Shovel2" from you laughing
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 19 February 2013 10: 14 New
        +5
        Quote: Mechanic
        This is also not a Russian word.


        In this case, Zhenya may let the enemy know better who he is dealing with.
        Court, sentence, executioner - three in one. By the way, the Zip box in the middle above the hatch touches me so much. On my own I would have screwed the tablet - For complaints and suggestions.
        Against him, not every indulgence will ride.

        By the way, as an option, why not replace ATGM missiles with RPO. In street battles, everything is going well.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 19 February 2013 10: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: vorobey
          By the way, as an option, why not replace ATGM missiles with RPO. In street battles, everything is going well.


          Because these are essentially no longer pure anti-tank missiles. There are high-explosive (as powerful as a 152-mm shell) and thermobaric warheads
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 19 February 2013 10: 24 New
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            and thermobaric warheads


            Well, thermobaric warhead, as I understand it, is on infantry flamethrowers.

            then I'm not original.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 19 February 2013 10: 33 New
              +1
              "Assault" missiles with thermobaric warheads fired back in 2000.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 February 2013 10: 08 New
      +2
      Yes, let them be called whatever they like, if the machines are put into the troops, they will be called "Terminators" there. Without options, the name has already stuck. The PR people turned out to be too good.

      The situation with "Losharik" will repeat itself, which no one wants to call "Wicket" correctly.
    3. xan
      xan 19 February 2013 12: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: vorobey
      Inquisitor it.

      or liquidator
      1. Jin
        Jin 19 February 2013 12: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: xan
        or liquidator


        Soundy, hard, hard! Like BMPT itself good
  23. Wedmak
    Wedmak 19 February 2013 09: 49 New
    +3
    What do you argue about the name? Put this BMPT in the army, and the army men themselves will come up with the name.
  24. Lavrik
    Lavrik 19 February 2013 09: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: hort
    the main question: are they going to deliver it to our troops or not?
    For the first time, the question of the adoption of the "Terminator" was raised in my opinion about 5-7 years ago (if not more) and was not adopted for service for the reasons I stated above.
    1. Hort
      Hort 19 February 2013 10: 17 New
      0
      There is no problem in the name. The problem is the use and capabilities of this machine. 1. Theoretically, the car is very necessary, because being on the same line with tanks in battle formations (as opposed to infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers) can hit enemy infantry. BUT! For each tank (or three) it is necessary to introduce one Terminator into the state. And for all aircraft, this is a huge cost. 2. The terminator has weak capabilities for fighting the main enemies of tanks - infantry. Only the AGS is able to deal with it quite effectively. All other weapons are not effective against infantry. Why such a machine in a tank platoon? And in general, in tank and motorized rifle units?
      so on her are AGS-s (1 or 2, I don’t remember exactly).
      As for the costs, as an option, you can reconsider the structure of the tank platoon - for example, 2 tanks and 1 BMPT. Or, as an option, equip assault / guard units with them.
      In general, if desired, the application can be found
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 19 February 2013 10: 31 New
        0
        Two stabilized in a vertical plane.
  25. Lopatov
    Lopatov 19 February 2013 10: 02 New
    0
    Interestingly, it will be brought to mind before being delivered to the troops, or will it be put into the troops "as is", because the chief expert Rogozin liked it?
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 19 February 2013 10: 18 New
      +5
      It seems to me while she will not be in the troops. We are waiting for the platform.

      If the mechanic is right and the platform will be with front MTO and increased length. then wait for a new heavy BMP. This is still an experiment. the crew is not in vain cut. I think so.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 19 February 2013 10: 30 New
        +1
        It would be good. The machine does not correspond to the tasks that they are trying to impose on it. Due to the fact that the bureaucrats from the Ministry of Defense did not think out TTZ
        1. Armata
          Armata 19 February 2013 10: 41 New
          +5
          Quote: vorobey
          If the mechanic is right and the platform will be with front MTO and increased length.
          Sanya, I write what I saw with my own eyes.
          Quote: vorobey
          then wait for a new heavy BMP
          Based on what? Armata is made under MBT and self-propelled guns.
          Quote: vorobey
          This is still an experiment. the crew is not in vain cut. I think so.
          Well, here I think the same. Automation stuffed there like dirt.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 19 February 2013 10: 48 New
            +4
            Mechanic,

            Zhenya, you’re in the subject, but I’m guessing in the thick.

            Quote: Mechanic
            On the basis of what? Armata is made under MBT and self-propelled guns


            Then the front MTO for MBT is woodpecker. IMHO.
            1. Armata
              Armata 19 February 2013 10: 55 New
              +4
              Sanya, you don't know a little. There, the engine compartment is covered with metal ceramics, that is, you can aim a rocket at the heat radiation. Yes, a lot of new things. Although it is interesting to look at tankosrach with claims that it is "Black Eagle" in its purest form.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 19 February 2013 11: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: Mechanic
                engine compartment covered


                Zhenya, I not only mean this. totality, dimensions, controllability. visibility, again the weight distribution, the vulnerability of the chassis (there is a difference - they brought down a sloth or a star, again the protection of the BKP).

                convince the conservative, prove that I'm wrong and this will not lead to an increase in the silhouette of the case and a decrease in the visibility of the mechanic at least.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 19 February 2013 11: 05 New
                  0
                  Dimensions in theory should increase. The line of fire will have to be raised.
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 19 February 2013 11: 08 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Spade
                    Dimensions are supposed to increase


                    otozh
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 19 February 2013 11: 22 New
                      0
                      Between the T-90 and the "Merkava" the difference in height on the roof of the tower is 40 cm. True, the latter has large gun depression angles.
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 19 February 2013 11: 03 New
                +1
                Then it’s clear why there is such a delay with self-propelled guns. With the front location of the MTO, it is impossible to use the loading mechanism already worked out on 2C19.
                1. Armata
                  Armata 19 February 2013 11: 13 New
                  +3
                  I can’t convince anyone because not up to date with all those moments. But the fact that the profile will be lower than the T90 is for sure. There judging by the platform there will be a flat cake along the ground spread out. But on other issues I do not have the moral right to argue with the tank crews. hi
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 19 February 2013 11: 20 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Mechanic
                    But on other issues I have no moral right to argue with the tank crews.


                    \ Fucking Mechanic? But how are the people and the army united. Who do you work for?

                    Do not want to argue, take it just say - Sanya put your shovel in. case for example i.e. tell me you're wrong be patient see everything yourself. Better yet, tell Sanya - you will like it, no one has such a car. drinks
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 19 February 2013 11: 30 New
                    0
                    OK let's see. In the end, not so long left.

                    It seems that the car has not been shown for so long due to the fact that they want to suck the Indians in a couple of hundred more T-90 car sets. The same guys, as you show something new, they will immediately say "hachu ..." and throw away the old toy.
  26. Arthur
    Arthur 19 February 2013 10: 14 New
    0
    Again, all for export and your army bolt. am
  27. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 19 February 2013 11: 29 New
    0
    It is important to leave a crew of 5 people. This will improve the quality of service for vehicles and weapons, which is not enough. Increase the combat effectiveness of the machine as a whole.
  28. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 19 February 2013 11: 40 New
    +1
    IMHO, for such a machine and a machine gun is needed. Here they talked about NSV-12,7, but in the description of the car I did not see him. Apparently for the machine it will be more efficient to use two machine guns of the 7,62 caliber (for example a helicopter main gun), to combat infantry. And with the goals for the caliber 12,7, the 30 mm guns will quite cope. And it is not clear how she has with the reloading of missile launch containers. It is good if the change of containers is automatic. That would not leave the battle to reload ...
    People want to know more! Enlighten who in the subject ...
    1. family tree
      family tree 19 February 2013 12: 45 New
      +1
      I also did not find a machine gun. And, if for the city, then the vertical +45 is not enough for guns, at least 60-70.
  29. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 19 February 2013 11: 56 New
    +2
    And for me the normal name "FEAR". After all, how many variants of phrases: FEAR rides !, FEAR as fucked, and FEAR, what a terrible! Well, etc. Pun - I don't want to! And the essence of the unit will be reflected. am
  30. skrgar
    skrgar 19 February 2013 15: 32 New
    0
    I am a patriot, and I believe in the wonderful future of the Motherland ... but ... HOW DO YOU FUCK THE PEOPLE !!! What the hell are you in the Duma .... "intend to dobivatsya" what and how to call it ?? !! You that?!! Do no more fucking ?! Ideally, the weapon will be called by military officers and soldiers !! (like "Katyusha" for example) .. And it will be the most accurate later !! ... How did they get me ... with these annual discussions of "empty" ... empty topics for them! ! .. BAZAR BABA WHAT IS THAT! And not the deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation (damn, I even don't want to write "RF" with their names next to them) .. Damn, we have to come up with some kind of system ... not burdening the budget ... FOR WE, THE PEOPLE, AFTER THE ELECTIONS ... HALF YEAR !!! BY MERITS OR LACK OF THESE ... COULD DECIDE - WE PROVIDE CONFIDENCE FOR FURTHER WORK IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION .. TO ANOTHER DEPUTY .. OR NOT !!! will again begin to discuss their "favorite chip" - alcoholic beverages .. They will sit for 3 months - they will decide to change the color of excise stamps !! etc. etc. (I'm not calling for a revolution ... but it's boiling !!)
  31. Bekzat
    Bekzat 19 February 2013 15: 33 New
    +2
    And I like the car very much, and most importantly, it’s good if you rummage through the wiki, it says that Kazakhstan is the main operator, such a machine came into service with us !!! A beast, not a car !!!
  32. krot
    krot 21 February 2013 00: 47 New
    0
    then they will rename it again in the "terminator" ..) the State Duma loves this business)))