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Modern Russian Cossacks: “a hundred weights” or support for the people

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There is a unique category of people in the world, which is clearly not exactly breathing to putting on uniforms, breast hanging with orders, medals and other signs of valor. There is another category: people who are more than worthy of both uniforms and awards, but preferring much more modesty in their attire and mention of ranks and regalia. At the same time, Russia has recently managed to take shape, let's say, a community group, among whose representatives there are some, and others. It is about the modern Russian Cossacks, if in this respect such a division as “modern Cossacks” and “Cossacks are not modern” makes sense.


The attitude towards modern Cossacks in Russia is no less controversial than the role of the Cossacks themselves in the development of the state and society. Some call these people, claiming the status of a separate class, mummers and pseudo-patriots, others see in the Cossacks the beginnings of a revival of the foundations of morality and culture of the Russia that we once lost. However, modern Cossacks are a whole phenomenon, which, like any other phenomenon, is difficult to give an unequivocal assessment, and an unequivocal assessment of all external attempts will be obviously one-sided and therefore meaningless. And therefore we will try to look at the representatives of the modern Cossacks from different sides. The goal is the same: to try to clarify the situation with what people, who call themselves Cossacks, really represent themselves.

We will not touch upon the historical aspect of the appearance of the Cossacks in stories Russia, because this topic has already been voiced at the Military Review. We will focus precisely on the modern stage of the existence of the Russian Cossack.

First you need to make an attempt to separate the flies from cutlets. The fact is that the Cossacks (at least from the position that is designated today) do not appear as an ethnic layer, but rather as a public organization, designed to solve certain problems. What problems? Whose problems? And here is the main question. Someone uses the term "Cossack" as a kind of synonym for honor and loyalty, patriotism and depth of moral traditions, and someone is ready to make from this word for itself a certain set of preferences, allowing to quench unbridled vanity. Some are quite ready to serve the Fatherland on a voluntary basis, while others are trying to hastily blind themselves from the statements about the hypothetical service to the Motherland of a banal PR-action, which, in the opinion of such people, can add certain public or even political bonuses to them.

That is why there are “flies”, which are neither historically, nor morally, nor in any way connected with traditional Cossacks, but this does not prevent them from using self-made “crusts”, hanging their wide breasts as large as August apples with orders and changing shoulder straps, towering along the Cossack hierarchy, with breathtaking speed. It is these people who parasitize on the concept of the Cossacks, and are the reason that many (even hereditary) Cossacks in Russia are often viewed, to put it mildly, with some distrust. It is precisely the “mumbled hundred” that outwardly turns the very idea of ​​reviving the Cossack traditions to serving the Fatherland into a farce. After all, many of our compatriots, due to a number of objective reasons, have lost all hope of determining for themselves whether there are any real Cossacks in modern Russia. And if there is, are they ready to offer their services to strengthen the security of the country? .. And are their services needed by modern Russia and its citizens?

Let us give a few examples of how the Cossacks of the new generation have recently managed to prove themselves. So that the situation was presented as fully as possible, and everyone was able to appreciate the role of the Cossacks in public life, let us present several plots, both positive and negative.

Since the end of last year, the situation with the so-called Cossack patrols in major cities of Russia has somewhat calmed down. The activities of the Cossacks, who, when coordinated with local law enforcement agencies, took to the streets of Moscow, St. Petersburg, Voronezh to carry out activities for the protection of law and order, received diametrically opposite assessments. Some, seeing people in uniform, not assigned to any of the military or police units, openly expressed their negativity and were clearly not going to obey the requirements of the Cossack patrol. Others reacted quite calmly and believed that the protection of public order using Cossack squads was an event that manifested itself quite positively.

The Cossack of the East Kazakhstan Region "Reserve Cossack Army" "The Great Don Army" A. Popov tells:

As an ordinary Cossack, I was attracted to the protection of public order during the celebration of the city’s day. The task before me and a group of other Cossacks was set as follows: we had to prevent pretty drunk people from going to crowded places, and if they too wanted to go to the festivities, report the incident to their immediate head. He has already contacted the police, who are bully and tied. We did not have the authority to take action against violators.


Another case.
Moscow. The end of last year. Belorussky Station. A group of Cossacks, which was later presented as a Cossack patrol, carried out law enforcement in the presence of broader powers, which caused a discussion in society. The point is that the Cossack patrol carried out a raid and revealed the places of illegal trade. Subject to the discussion that the Cossacks in identifying places of illicit trade proceeded to the seizure of goods and loading it into a pre-prepared bus. According to the Cossacks themselves, the bus belonged to the DAEC, and all their actions with the DAEC were agreed. However, after such a zealous discharge of duties by the Cossacks, the press began to skip the information that the Cossacks had become a tool for dividing the market in a very busy place for trade in the capital.


Cossack patrol in Moscow in work


After the sensational raid, the very first deputy ataman of the EKR Central Cossack Army, General Kolesnikov, said that the first attempt could not be called the most successful. Obviously, new attempts to take Cossacks participation in Moscow raids were also discussed, but these raids obviously did not become systematic. Apparently, the whole point is that the authorities themselves (not only regional, but also federal) have not yet decided what to do with such “happiness” (or without quotes?) As modern Cossacks. If you give authority, thinks the authorities, they can sit on your neck; if you don’t give authority, the electorate will be lost, but oh, how needed are voices ... In general, the whole dilemma.

One of the governors, who decided to regulate the activities of the Cossacks in his region, today is the head of the Voronezh region, Alexey Gordeyev. Not so long ago, he discussed with the leaders of the local Cossacks the problems of interaction between the Cossacks and local authorities. At the meeting, Ataman of the Central Cossack troops V.Nalimov came up with a proposal for the Ministry of Education to create an educational institution in the region, which will be called the single Cossack cadet corps. Vyacheslav Nalimov connects the very possibility of creating such an educational institution with the fact that Cossack traditions are strong in the region and there are all possibilities for implementing this kind of idea. In addition, the ataman Nalimov suggested to the governor Gordeyev to create a military training center of the Cossack army, which could become a place for high-quality training of young Voronezh citizens for military service. It is planned that such a center could be located to the north of the capital of the Black Soil Region. Aleksey Gordeyev promised that he was ready to personally assist the implementation of the plans outlined, because they are primarily aimed at caring for the younger generation and at implementing plans for a comprehensive pre-conscription training.

Modern Russian Cossacks: “a hundred weights” or support for the people

Raising the state flag in Matvey Platov Cadet Cossack Corps (Voronezh region)



Winter fees of cadets Matvey Platov of the cadet Cossack corps (Voronezh region)


On this seemingly blissful background of interaction between the Cossacks and the official authorities, the same Voronezh region turns into a place of active confrontation between the Cossack squads and those who are trying to promote a business project to develop nickel deposits in the Khopersky Nature Reserve. The company, which in the near future intends to start developing nickel in the so-called Yelanskoe deposit, encounters unprecedented public resistance in Russia, and the Cossacks have come to support it. For several months, the Cossacks of the Second Khopersky District exhibited posts in the place where the developer intends to carry out metal mining (and this is literally the very heart of the fertile black soil of Russia). The Cossacks have already promised that if they see heavy equipment and people preparing for the development of the Voronezh subsoil in the reserve, they are ready to give a real fight to the representatives of the mining company.


Cossack post at the site of preparation for the development of a nickel deposit (Voronezh region) (conversation with the police)


These words of the Cossack atamans were approved by the local population and the situation began to look very tense also because in one of his interviews Governor Gordeyev stated that he would not allow Voronezh black soil to be destroyed just until he took the governor’s chair. However, despite this, the business lobby promotes the idea of ​​security development. However, at the same time, representatives of this very lobby do not mention that the nickel deposit near Voronezh was known in the Soviet years. But at that time, a number of scientists published materials according to which mining of nickel in the Black Earth region could lead to serious environmental consequences. Moreover, the nickel content in the ore in the region is relatively low, and therefore not the fact that mining will be profitable. The prospect of getting at one’s own, instead of fertile soil, a virtually dehydrated and dug desert, which may eventually be declared “not quite a successful outcome of a nickel mining project,” is clearly not impressive for Voronezh residents.

The confrontation between the public, which is indirectly supported by the governor Gordeyev, and not even indirectly at all - the representatives of the 2 of the Khopersky district of the Cossack IEDs, and the lobbying workers, begin to show real urgency. Just the other day, the sentries of that same Cossack post at the field stopped a group of geologists, who were preparing to start the next batch of research. Having found out whose interests geologists represent, as well as their determination to start their work, the Voronezh Cossacks, together with other local residents, decided to show the “guests” all their “cordiality”. As a result, the meeting ended with the fact that geologists thoroughly received Cossack whips, after which they turned to the police. A criminal case was opened against the Cossacks and a number of environmentalists.


The police are increasingly visiting the Cossack post


After this "first fight for nickel" the public again divided. Some called the Cossacks "mummy PR", others, on the contrary, stood up for them, claiming that this is apparently the only force that can still counterpose the barbaric attitude to Russian wealth.


Appeal Cossacks to President Vladimir Putin


This story eloquently illustrates the situation with the Russian Cossacks, whose purpose is not yet clearly defined by the state. At the same time, we ourselves forget that the interests of the Cossacks and the state in Russia did not always coincide ... Does this mean that modern Cossacks (putting people outside the parasitic Cossacks out of their brackets) is a force that in reality is not “amusing” army ", and ready to stand not on guard of the interests of its leaders and oligarchs exclusively, but on the guard of the interests of the people? Difficult question ... After all, the Cossacks are different, and the rest of the people are far from being a uniform substance ...


And here is the brightest representative of the "ryazhenoy hundreds"


Recall that in September last year, Vladimir Putin approved the strategy of the Russian Cossacks. Here are a few points of the document:
a) the involvement of the Russian Cossacks in fulfilling the tasks of ensuring the security and defense capability of the Russian Federation, passing by members of Cossack societies of military service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, other troops, military formations and bodies, including members of Cossack societies in the mobilization human reserve to ensure guaranteed resupply in the established the terms of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, as well as the creation of an effective system of military registration of members of Cossack societies;
b) the involvement of the Russian Cossacks to participate in the protection of public order and ensuring environmental and fire safety, in the implementation of measures to prevent and eliminate emergency situations and eliminate the consequences of natural disasters, civil defense, environmental protection activities;
c) the involvement of the Russian Cossacks to participate in the protection of the state border of the Russian Federation;
d) maximum use of the potential of Cossack societies in places of traditional and compact Cossacks to attract members of these societies to protect forests, wildlife objects, and cultural heritage objects;
e) attraction of the Russian Cossacks to the state and other services in other areas of activity in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation.

The Strategy spelled out, including both the historical Cossack heraldry and the system for the development of new heraldic signs, uniforms, awards and insignia.

The main thing is that the Cossacks and the state should not forget that their main goal is, after all, the protection of the rights and freedoms of all citizens of Russia without exception, and not just those who belong to the elect, who deserve special attention. I would like to believe that in this regard the state and modern Cossacks are unanimous.
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  1. klimpopov
    klimpopov 19 February 2013 09: 50
    +22
    I still did not understand what the author wanted to reveal ... It is clear that there are mummers and there are hereditary, well, as hereditary only when you look at the photographs of the grandfathers of the great-grandfathers, you remember that the ancestors were Cossacks ... cause negativity and bring it on to the word itself and, therefore, to all its representatives. It is also not necessary to talk about hereditary in its pure form, if we take the Cossack canons, then how the class of Cossacks were destroyed and very few "pure" ones remained (well, when both dad and mom are from hereditary) more and more when one of the parents (for example, I have a mom from "noble" kazchi surname, well, so it is considered). My attitude to everything that happens around the Cossacks? A frank farce, it is not clear what it is aimed at, booing everything connected with this class, ridiculing and instilling persistent negativity in society. In my opinion, if the Cossacks are revived, then they should be engaged in pre-war training of young people so that later real officers of the Russian army will grow from the Cossacks. To instill the correct moral values, to pass on experience and so on, for everything else there is the police for which I pay money.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 19 February 2013 10: 06
      +7
      Quote: klimpopov
      I did not understand what the author wanted to reveal.

      I agree, I also "fell into misunderstandings." And it began with the name. "Cossacks-support for the people." And who are they not a people or what? Or some other people? It seems like everyone else. Or not like that?
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 19 February 2013 10: 12
        +5
        I totally agree. Now there is no Cossack estate. What is not entirely clear how to denote in legal documents (well, or where), write Cossack nationality - sorry nonsense, Cossacks always called themselves Russian, Orthodox.
        1. Elliot
          Elliot 19 February 2013 10: 40
          +3
          And I agree, the Cossack is not a nationality, but rather a way of thinking
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 19 February 2013 10: 53
            0
            There is no clear definition of a Cossack capable of directly characterizing. A way of thinking, hmm, perhaps, but there were still a lot of all kinds of practices and exercises, that is, a Cossack was born, but the process of becoming was long and not everyone became "brave" ... Well, this is what I read ...
            1. tomket
              tomket 19 February 2013 11: 49
              +3
              Cossacks is a class living on the Don, which began to clearly separate into a separate ethnic group, until it was exterminated into a civilian. If you are interested, you can go to the village of Veshenskaya, where Sholokhov lived, there is a clear division into Cossacks and everyone else, and if someone enters the Cossack army, after that he is still not considered a Cossack.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 19 February 2013 12: 00
                +6
                I read Sholokhov, I visited the Don, I live in the Kuban myself. Do not reduce the Cossacks only to the Don ...
                1. tomket
                  tomket 19 February 2013 12: 08
                  0
                  Of course, not only in the Don Cossacks, just what I see and write about
          2. tomket
            tomket 19 February 2013 11: 48
            +4
            Cossacks are an estate and not a way of thinking, if you are thinking of picking up a saber or going to the Don horse to drink, you will not become a Cossack after that.
            1. old rocket man
              old rocket man 19 February 2013 13: 55
              +10
              tomket,
              So we got to the point, everyone agreed that the Cossacks, this estateI emphasizeformer estate, since the estate division was eliminated by the 1917 revolution, in the Russian Federation there is also no estate division, therefore, the Cossacks, as well as modern "nobles", are social organization, whose members do not, and should not, have some kind of exclusive rights, compared to other citizens, and even more so to own weapons. I consider all this more as a PR of a certain group of leaders of the Cossacks.
              And then let's organize a society of hereditary party functionaries, a black hundred, or something else exotic.
              1. tomket
                tomket 19 February 2013 14: 51
                +3
                at the time of the heyday of the Cossacks on the borders of the Russian Empire, the possession of weapons was a vital necessity, I believe that in the Stavropol region, for example, even now, the possession of weapons by the Russian population is the same vital necessity for the survival of the entire Russian population
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 19 February 2013 15: 19
                  +4
                  All the same, the Stavropol region is more pleasant than the ear. For the rest, yes, especially the Terek, Kursk, the border with Dagestan, and in principle, here too, the KCR is naughty ...
                  1. Tersky
                    Tersky 19 February 2013 19: 25
                    +3
                    Quote: klimpopov
                    Yes, in principle, and here the KCR is naughty ...
                    And the CBD is unforgettable, land wink
                    1. klimpopov
                      klimpopov 19 February 2013 20: 44
                      +3
                      Why is Kabarda then? You know, on Sunday in Cherkessk it was, the roads were re-made, the streets were paved all the same culturally, and Nevinka was abandoned (there is a new president, it seems like something moved ...
                      1. Tersky
                        Tersky 19 February 2013 23: 10
                        +3
                        Quote: klimpopov
                        Why is Kabarda then?

                        In Kabardino-Balkaria, three people were killed who were suspected of having committed terrorist attacks against the Orthodox churches of the republic and, possibly, the Stavropol Territory.
                        The special operation, which took place on January 6 in the Baksan district, is reported in a press release published on the website of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the KBR.
                        Information on the intention of the militants to attack Orthodox churches on Christmas night was also confirmed in a statement by the National Anti-Terrorism Committee of the Russian Federation.
                        in Baghdad, not everything is so calm. Well, to fill the gap wink http://www.region-07.ru/labels/terrorizm/1
                2. old rocket man
                  old rocket man 19 February 2013 17: 17
                  +1
                  tomket,
                  I also think so, but for the whole population, and not just for Cossacks
              2. walter_rus
                walter_rus 19 February 2013 18: 21
                +1
                And it’s also strange that the Cossacks suddenly began to restore order in Moscow. You look, they will still be involved in dispersing the rallies (as before the revolution). Divide and conquer in action.
              3. roninas
                roninas 19 February 2013 23: 38
                +4
                An excellent, competent answer! There is NO more such class as the Cossacks, no, everything, in the 17th year of the last century ended. What else can you talk about ??? So, by definition, today's Cossacks are mummers. And what kind of power can they represent? They cannot defend the villages, they can only drink with shashaki, but "love" to yell. Though, minus, my opinion about the current "Cossacks" will never change. You can conventionally consider Cossacks people living in places where the Cossacks have lived since ancient times, descendants, so to speak , but I think that there are not so many of them left at all. I have seen Siberian "Cossacks" - devils, which are few, drunk and rags
                1. Alekseir162
                  Alekseir162 20 February 2013 13: 57
                  0
                  The Cossacks is a state border guard service, a kind of border guard, and certainly the Cossacks cannot be inherited, therefore we can conclude that people dressed in military suits cannot be considered as such Cossacks as nothing more than folklore.
            2. washi
              washi 19 February 2013 15: 52
              +2
              And the Ussuri Cossacks, And the lost Ural army. Neither Don nor Dnieper location of the Cossacks.
              Estate, this means this estate should have its own laws, rules. What are the Cossacks? I have only one thing - beat your own, so that strangers are afraid.
              1. Yaik Cossack
                Yaik Cossack 19 February 2013 19: 13
                +1
                It's too early to bury us. "Everyone knows the caviar of the Urals and the Ural sturgeons, only they know very little about the Ural Cossacks ........................ the spool is at least small and expensive - the saying of old people" from the song of the Ural Cossacks
            3. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 19 February 2013 16: 01
              +2
              Quote: tomket
              Cossacks are a class and not a way of thinking


              1. Tersky
                Tersky 19 February 2013 16: 41
                +2
                maybe ROA will also remember where much more in number,
                In 1924 in Paris, the Cossack Union was established, uniting the Cossack villages abroad. He coordinated the solution of economic, cultural and other problems, assisted the creative intelligentsia. The Union of Cossack Writers, the Literary Cossack Family, the Circle of Cossacks-Writers, and the Society for the Study of the Cossacks operated abroad, and more than 100 magazines and newspapers were published.
                The split in emigration occurred in connection with the German attack on the USSR. Some of the Cossacks stood on the side of the German army, but many Cossacks, remaining patriots, joined resistance groups in the territories of the occupied states in which they lived.
                In February 1920 The 1st All-Russian Congress of Labor Cossacks, under the influence of V.I. Lenin, adopted a resolution which stated that “the Cossacks are by no means a special nation or nation, but are an integral part of the Russian people. Therefore, there can be no question of any separation of the Cossack regions from the rest of Soviet Russia, to which the Cossack tops are closely united with the landlords and the bourgeoisie ... ”(Cossacks of Russia. Historical and legal aspect: documents, facts, comments. - M., 1999.- S. 244-245).
                At the same time, the policy of forcibly evicting the Cossacks from their places of historical residence continued. March 27, 1920 out of 72 thousand members of Cossack families evicted from the three villages for Terek, only 35 thousand arrived at their destinations. The “Red Highlanders” attacked the convoy, and, not meeting the resistance of the escorts, they chopped down sabers of unarmed Cossacks, women, old people and children. This day is today considered to be the Memorial Day of the Terek Cossacks repressed by the Soviet state.
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 19 February 2013 17: 30
                  +3
                  Quote: Tersky
                  maybe ROA also remember where much more in number


                  And then the traitors? belay

                  March 27, 1920 out of 72 thousand members of Cossack families evicted from the three villages for Terek, only 35 thousand arrived at their destinations. The "Red Highlanders" attacked the convoy, and, not meeting the resistance of the escorts, they chopped down sabers of unarmed Cossacks, women, old people and children. This day is today considered to be the Memorial Day of the Terek Cossacks repressed by the Soviet state.

                  Civil war is not a walk for mushrooms.
                  But interestingly, no "Day of Remembrance" was introduced for those killed during the Jewish pogroms? Shkuro Cossacks and others were not angels.
                  The theme of pedaling - who is the biggest ghoul in the Civil - I consider it an empty lesson.
                  1. Tersky
                    Tersky 19 February 2013 18: 07
                    +3
                    [quote = Karlsonn] Sorry, hi , you just posted a non-clickable demator yes , a closer look, I realized that I took the spacecraft fighters for traitors repeat , well, respectively, and commented laughing I apologize for the plus drinks
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 19 February 2013 18: 20
                      0
                      Quote: Tersky
                      Remember or not, a forgotten past has no future.


                      I agree.


                      Quote: Tersky
                      You just started to pedal, on the example of the Second World War


                      Rather, you are so keenly perceived.


                      Quote: Tersky
                      not deigning to find out the reasons and which Cossacks served there (we read my comment above, the split in emigration)


                      Where did you get this? In my comment I didn’t even write a single word, how exactly were you able to assess the level of my knowledge?


                      Quote: Tersky
                      but he doesn’t intend to endure the nonsense that the Cossacks served the Nazis all over.


                      I agree, expressing the opinion that the Cossacks served as a total fascist is at least stupid.

                      Regards Karlsonn. hi
                      1. Tersky
                        Tersky 19 February 2013 18: 46
                        +3
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        Where did you get this? In my comment I didn’t even write a single word, how exactly were you able to assess the level of my knowledge?

                        I fixed my post, yes , so I think it’s not relevant anymore hi
                    2. RAMBO
                      RAMBO 19 February 2013 18: 58
                      0
                      I don’t know about clickability, the commissar there immediately noticed
                      1. Karlsonn
                        Karlsonn 19 February 2013 19: 09
                        0
                        Quote: RAMBO
                        I don’t know about clickability, the commissar there immediately noticed


                        what?
                      2. Tersky
                        Tersky 19 February 2013 19: 38
                        +8
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        what?

                        laughing I give on such cases, the effect is achieved instantly wink
                      3. RAMBO
                        RAMBO 19 February 2013 19: 45
                        0
                        The effect of what?
                    3. RAMBO
                      RAMBO 19 February 2013 19: 44
                      0
                      Nothing special, just the fact that they were not in the ROA.
                    4. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 19 February 2013 20: 35
                      0
                      Quote: RAMBO
                      Nothing special, just the fact that they were not in the ROA.


                      and we had.
              2. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 19 February 2013 19: 08
                +1
                Quote: Tersky
                Sorry


                Everything is fine, glad that we understood each other drinks


                Quote: Tersky
                you just posted a non-clickable demator


                but for me it "clicks", how is it request crying
        2. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 22 February 2013 16: 09
          +2
          Carlson, for vidyuhu again +
          I looked carefully. His conclusion is again clear and convincing.
    2. washi
      washi 19 February 2013 15: 47
      0
      I agree completely. Bread yourself cannot be raised in the bastard. Someone will send. Not Muscovites, it’s Poles, but they won’t send, so with a tomb of both those and those.
      That's where the reethers came from.
      And Orthodoxy did not stop them from robbing Muscovy.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 19 February 2013 16: 38
        +2
        Quote: Vasya
        That's where the reethers came from.

        Or maybe we’re not looking for retethers there:
        In January 1919 the Bolsheviks used the tactics of "rasskachivaniya" in which they invested a completely different meaning than the Socialist Revolutionaries. The Directive of the Organizing Bureau of the Central Committee of the RCP (B.) Ordered all commissars to wage a merciless struggle against the Cossacks by means of its universal extermination. There was mass terror: bread and all products were confiscated, complete disarmament, relocation, executions of those who dared to disobey, were carried out ...
        And, although this directive was recognized as erroneous and was repealed by the plenum of the Central Committee of the RCP (B.) Of March 16, 1919, the apparatus of repressions of the Soviet government against the Cossacks continued to operate. The Bolsheviks sought the physical destruction of the Cossacks, the complete eradication of their families and villages. Massively shot those who refused to serve in the Red Army.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 19 February 2013 17: 31
          +2
          Quote: Tersky
          The Bolsheviks sought the physical destruction of the Cossacks, the complete eradication of their families and villages. Massively shot those who refused to serve in the Red Army.


          Yeah, then the question is:
          - who are all these people who consider themselves Cossacks today?
          1. Hon
            Hon 19 February 2013 17: 38
            +1
            Quote: Karlsonn
            - who are all these people who consider themselves Cossacks today?

            Well, for example GULICHEV IGOR, a colonel from the Moscow Cossacks))) Son of GULICHEVA NINA SEMENOVNA, google a very interesting woman, much will become clear ...
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 19 February 2013 18: 03
            +5
            Quote: Karlsonn
            who are all these people who consider themselves Cossacks today?

            It’s one thing to classify, it’s another to be, the article’s discussion is about this ...
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 19 February 2013 18: 22
              0
              Quote: Tersky
              It’s one thing to classify, it’s another to be, the article’s discussion is about this ...


              that is, everyone who calls themselves the descendants of the Cossacks — blatantly lie, since the bloody losses of the Bolsheviks totally destroyed all the Cossacks to a single?
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 19 February 2013 18: 40
                +8
                Quote: Karlsonn
                that is, everyone who calls themselves the descendants of the Cossacks-blatantly lying,

                I do not consider myself a liar, a family hereditary Cossack, great-great-grandfather at one time served in "His Imperial Majesty's own convoy", the main core of which were Cossacks from the Terek and Kuban Cossack troops., A participant in the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-78, I don’t wear them, I don’t care for Circassian, but I adhere to traditions and unwritten laws.
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 19 February 2013 19: 12
                  +4
                  Quote: Tersky
                  I do not consider myself a liar, ancestral hereditary Cossack


                  I realized, damn communication on the Internet has its own characteristics.


                  Quote: Tersky
                  I don’t wear their crosses, I don’t wear them in Circassian, but I adhere to traditions and unwritten laws


                  in fact, such behavior is worthy of respect. good
                2. Tersky
                  Tersky 19 February 2013 19: 28
                  +3
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  I realized, damn communication on the Internet has its own characteristics.

                  I agree, verbal communication cannot be replaced by anything, fact drinks ,
              2. roninas
                roninas 19 February 2013 23: 42
                +1
                Here, maybe there are three people left like you, and that’s all. The rest are clowns
              3. Fox
                Fox 20 February 2013 08: 59
                +2
                Quote: roninas
                Well, maybe there are three people left like you, and that's all

                I didn’t bear it ... before that I just read ... my grandfathers-great-grandfathers from Don. the civil passed for the Reds, the Fatherland for the Reds ... but I also don’t wear their awards, I don’t yell at every corner that I’m KOZAK, but I just live HOW KAZAKI BROWN ME. And I bring up my children like that.
        2. Garrin
          Garrin 19 February 2013 20: 13
          +1
          Quote: Tersky
          It’s one thing to classify, it’s another to be, the article’s discussion is about this ...
          I do not want to repeat myself a third time. But it is so.
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 22 February 2013 16: 12
        +1
        Quote: Karlsonn
        - who are all these people who consider themselves Cossacks today?

        Personally, I consider Cossacks, only those veterans who were in the Cossack units during the Second World War. There are still such veterans. And the rest are nothing more than reenactors, IMHO.
    3. Cheloveck
      Cheloveck 19 February 2013 18: 56
      0
      Quote: Tersky
      Or maybe we’re not looking for retethers there:

      Do not forget that before the revolution, the Cossacks were used to the full as a punitive force of the imperial empire.
      The people, to put it mildly, did not like them (however, there was a reason).

      And the traditions of the Cossacks were laid by a robber who fled from the mother country to the borders, where the central government smelled faintly.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 19 February 2013 20: 35
        +3
        Quote: Cheloveck
        Yes, and the traditions of the Cossacks laid robbery

        Yeah, they both developed and lived according to the "Code of Cossack Honor", which is a religious and moral covenant:

        “- Never consider the son of another nation below you, but be equally kind and open to everyone. Remember that they judge your people according to you. Be simple, friendly, but not flattering. Keep your dignity, but do not be proud! Serve everyone honestly. Be law abiding.

        - Do not take revenge! Leave your enemy to the judgment of God. Never fight the weakest. After defeating the enemy - be merciful! Remember: the brave are always good, because they are strong! Goodbye to your enemies, do not waste your soul on hatred and envy. Then you will receive the kingdom of heaven and glory in descendants.

        - Love Russia, for it is your Mother and nothing in the world will replace It for you. Love your land, for it is the only beacon in human life. Follow the rules and customs of your people. "Never teach anyone down on high, but explain and advise only when they ask for your advice."
        and now share your traditions, not from the robber ...
  • stas52
    stas52 19 February 2013 10: 46
    +3
    a) the involvement of the Russian Cossacks in fulfilling the tasks of ensuring the security and defense capability of the Russian Federation, passing by members of Cossack societies of military service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, other troops, military formations and bodies, including members of Cossack societies in the mobilization human reserve to ensure guaranteed resupply in the established the terms of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, as well as the creation of an effective system of military registration of members of Cossack societies;
    b) the involvement of the Russian Cossacks to participate in the protection of public order and ensuring environmental and fire safety, in the implementation of measures to prevent and eliminate emergency situations and eliminate the consequences of natural disasters, civil defense, environmental protection activities;
    c) the involvement of the Russian Cossacks to participate in the protection of the state border of the Russian Federation;
    d) maximum use of the potential of Cossack societies in places of traditional and compact Cossacks to attract members of these societies to protect forests, wildlife objects, and cultural heritage objects;
    e) attraction of the Russian Cossacks to the state and other services in other areas of activity in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation.,
    If we replace the Russian Cossacks with citizens of the Russian Federation, we get extracts from the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
  • RAMBO
    RAMBO 19 February 2013 18: 52
    +1
    Today there is no such estate, but they are trying to revive it, the point is how it turns out, it must be admitted that it is not very successful so far. But as they say it is only the one who does not do anything wrong. I hope that everything will turn out
    1. LION
      LION 19 February 2013 22: 36
      +2
      This is how to get it? Will they give land? A weapon? Will the sovereign be called to the Army if necessary? There will be no estate. The undertakings on cadastre and land assignment will be broken. The need for Cossacks has disappeared. Should we guard the borders? What city and village to build new? We’ll go to Moscow. Let's have fun.
  • воронов
    воронов 19 February 2013 12: 35
    +11
    I completely agree with you, although the so-called. "pure", hereditary Cossack, but I do not wear a Cossack uniform and I am not a member of the Cossack army, because there are many crooks, idlers, and even outright alcoholics. Regarding the form, after 30 years of service in the calendars, the SA uniform was somehow more familiar , and later the RF Armed Forces. soldier
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 19 February 2013 12: 47
      +2
      Regarding the form, then for 30 years of service in calendars, the form of SA, and subsequently the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, was more familiar.

      That's what I say for this, and you must pass on the experience to the youth, so that succession in the troops is also a tradition. CA was very nice!
    2. Victor
      Victor 19 February 2013 14: 46
      +5
      Quote: voronov
      I completely agree with you, although the so-called. "pure", hereditary Cossack, but I do not wear a Cossack uniform and I am not a member of the Cossack army, because there are many crooks, idlers, and even outright alcoholics. Regarding the form, after 30 years of service in the calendars, the SA uniform was somehow more familiar , and later the RF Armed Forces.


      I fully support it, since I myself have a similar situation, moreover, my wife is a purebred Cossack (only she is Donskaya, and I am Kubansky) and according to her parents and way of thinking. But we are deeply convinced that now there is a state of "mummers" in the Cossacks, where "chieftains" are more concerned with their own status than with the restoration of the historical Cossack estate and way of life. Probably in the form in which the Cossacks lived under the Tsarist Empire, the Cossacks will no longer be reborn. Rather, it is necessary to take the form of a certain structure, to create a reserve for the RF Armed Forces from the already served Cossacks and to prepare young Cossack women for service in separate units and subdivisions. But in any case, this is a job for public organizations. On the other hand, given the spread of Wahhabism in the North Caucasus and the national republics of the Volga and Ural regions (in the zones of compact residence of the Russian population), the Cossacks are the most organized force capable of detecting and stopping the spread of this muck at the everyday level, since they are representatives of a different faith, and then theological disputes about good and bad Islam are not threatened. In the state plan, for the Cossacks there is one Islam, recognized by the state, with whose representatives the Cossacks have lived side by side for hundreds of years. Everything else is enemies. Therefore, there is a clearly defined strip of subjects where the Cossacks, in my opinion, are necessary to protect the Orthodox Russian population. First of all, this is the territory of the North Caucasus, the Volga and Ural regions, as well as the Amur region. Those. historical regions of settlement of all the great Cossack troops. In the center of Russia, especially in Moscow, the Cossacks have nothing to do, they look here actually disguised and alien, and often just ridiculous.
      1. воронов
        воронов 19 February 2013 20: 30
        +2
        Lubo BROTHER !!! But in Moscow, the Cossacks will have what to do, provided that the GDP accepts the title of emperor and recreates the Life Guards Cossack Regiment of His Majesty laughing
        1. Victor
          Victor 20 February 2013 11: 06
          +1
          Quote: voronov
          Lubo BROTHER !!! But in Moscow, the Cossacks will have what to do, provided that the GDP accepts the title of emperor and recreates the Life Guards Cossack Regiment of His Majesty


          My great-grandfather served in this regiment. And I do not mind that there was a real Emperor in the Empire. Lubo!
          1. Hon
            Hon 20 February 2013 11: 44
            -1
            Quote: Victor
            And I do not mind that in the Empire there was a real Emperor

            I'm against!
            1. Victor
              Victor 20 February 2013 17: 16
              0
              Quote: Hon
              I'm against!


              Your problems hi !
              1. Hon
                Hon 21 February 2013 13: 45
                0
                What are the problems? There is no emperor and never will be ...
    3. old rocket man
      old rocket man 19 February 2013 17: 24
      +2
      воронов,
      What is natural and understandable, by the way, among the Cossacks in tsarist Russia the uniform differed very slightly from the army and was approved by the sovereign. And they received all-Russian awards along with the whole army, and grandfathers did not wear crosses, for which they could flog.
      1. воронов
        воронов 19 February 2013 20: 34
        0
        Cossacks KKV uniform was very different
  • Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 19 February 2013 13: 00
    +2
    Quote: klimpopov
    In my opinion, if the Cossacks are to be revived, then it should be engaged in pre-war training of young people so that real officers of the Russian army grow out of the Cossacks. To instill the right moral values ​​to transfer experience and so on,

    I completely agree! Cossacks in their pure form are separate military units!
  • apro
    apro 19 February 2013 09: 51
    +3
    The robbers did not play enough in childhood as a Cossack. But seriously, there are no sections of the population that would represent the Cossacks in their original form. Today, if you really need to, it’s easier and more understandable to establish a national guard or a black hundred as the Russian militia is called in Russian.
  • dema46
    dema46 19 February 2013 09: 56
    -2
    you priests Kim carefully read what the author writes. Throw out words like farce and get exactly what you write.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 19 February 2013 10: 01
      +3
      Klim hi Well, it’s obvious that there are two camps and it’s not clear how the state treats all this, and the public is generally negative, especially the “advanced” young people - this whole song has been going on for a very long time and something definite is not planned. So what are the conclusions?
      At the same time, there are areas where the Cossacks oppose themselves to other forces, everything is clear here - the Cossacks are a counterbalance and a regulator (I hope you know what I mean).
      Again, in what context did I use the word farce? The actions of the mummers are farce, there are quite successful Cossack schools from which the military then emerges, albeit not in those volumes, but still ..
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 19 February 2013 16: 23
        +3
        As it were, in this case, the twix left stick is very different from the right one.

        I'm talking about existing schools (for a useful business) and about crowds of "order bearers".
  • Cadets
    Cadets 19 February 2013 10: 09
    +7
    The Cossacks were and should be, as a continuation and revival of the glorious centuries-old traditions of the corresponding part of the Russian people. I would like to hope that the real Cossacks themselves will clean the mummers' "husk" and the merchants in stripes from their ranks. In the cadet corps, patriotic Cossack youth are growing up, who are brought up on positive historical examples, incl. which still exist, for example, the participation of contract Cossacks in the Chechen campaign (protection of Russian interests in the Caucasus).
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 19 February 2013 10: 16
    +1
    After the loss of the freemen, the Cossacks became servants of the Tsars, they were given privileges, and such that the rest of the Russian citizens did not even dream of. For special care of the kings, the Cossacks simply became dogs of these gentlemen. In Russia, only Cossacks were used to suppress the rebellious inside the country. After all, the soldiers were recruited mainly from peasants and there was no particular hope for them. But those Cossacks for the tsar’s father could crush anyone without hesitation.
    So modern Cossacks, if they tried on the form and spirit of the Cossacks before the revolutionary, then in fact they took on the functions of protecting the "sovereign" and for them it does not matter who will be in front of them, who will be pointed at and will beat. And if they don't, then they are no longer Cossacks, but something completely different
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 19 February 2013 10: 19
      +2
      Clear. But. Cossacks in the wars fought quite successfully ... Yes, and it seems like the borders of the state there, and so on ... Or do you think the Cossacks are some kind of policeman of the king?

      If now the state takes up interest in this neo-punishment and designates the rights and privileges for the Cossacks, what do you think for what kind of power they will be?
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 19 February 2013 10: 25
        +6
        And that besides the Cossacks no one fought heroically, remember at least the 12 year war with the French, that only the Cossacks showed heroism? so in the war there is no difference whether you are a Cossack or not, but in internal conflicts it was clearly there, the Cossacks are a more reliable support of the kings.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 19 February 2013 10: 35
          +6
          Yes, I agree and did not say that they only fought, it’s just that now everyone began to forget that the Cossacks are the same military people and talk more about gendarmes and policemen. And you do not find it logical that they were the pillar of the king, since they gave power to the privileges? Why did the peasantry spread its power? There are more questions to the government and its politics, but what about the Cossacks? They gave the order - executed, or is it not right now?
        2. tomket
          tomket 19 February 2013 11: 58
          +3
          The problem wasn’t soldier from the village of Kukuev, the officer the nobleman could well force any village to bayonet, remember Suvorov and the suppression of the Pugachevsky rebellion, the problem could have arisen among the tsar and the officers, remember the Decembrists, palace coups and other regicide, the Cossacks are more likely a counterweight to the nobility as a military domestic power
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 19 February 2013 15: 24
        +1
        Quote: klimpopov
        Or do you consider the Cossacks a kind of policeman of the king?

        Alas! It was like that. especially when the Cossacks whipped up the demonstrations of the workers. The police could not cope, and the Cossacks did not stand on ceremony. That is why, in relation to them, a dual relationship has developed. However, in the history of any militarized unit there were unsightly facts, but this is our subjective opinion of contemporaries. If the Cossacks really protect and support the people, if they manage to help before the police, then this is wonderful! IMHO
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 19 February 2013 10: 51
      +3
      Quote: vladsolo56
      they were given privileges, such that other citizens of Russia did not even dream of

      It remains only to clarify what, or is the story in your face silent?
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 19 February 2013 10: 57
        +1
        Greetings fellow countryman hi I am chewing on a citizen too ...
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 19 February 2013 11: 13
          +11
          Quote: klimpopov
          Greetings fellow countryman

          Mutually Klim. hi ! Entirely and fully support the author of the article, it is high time for the Cossacks to put things in order, by the hands of the Cossacks themselves. It’s time to decide whether we are descendants and successors of the glorious deeds of the tribe of Orthodox heroic Cossacks, or are we like the “new Cossacks,” ready to serve even enemies for bakshish. Neither atheists, nor communists, nor Gentiles can be accepted by our ancestors-Cossacks into their ranks, and therefore can not bear the proud rank of Cossacks, because they betrayed the faith of their ancestors - Orthodox Cossacks. Look who is now in the “Cossacks” who grew up like mushrooms after the rain - laced with breasts in crosses with their heads in the bushes after another drinking party which is far from the Cossacks like the sky from the earth. Cossacks are the descendants of the hero warriors who stood at the origins of the Russian state, those who grew the lands of our Russia, sacrificing their lives for the honor and glory of the Cossack rank. We consider ourselves their descendants, but for this it’s not enough to live on the historical territory of the Cossack troops or to have Cossacks in your family, you need to adhere to not only traditions but also the unwritten canons of the Cossacks. Do not deserve - do not wear it, do not take it - do not take it. It is time to discharge the “mummers” and drive them into three necks, because shame and disgrace to the true Cossacks are one disgrace from such “Cossacks”.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 19 February 2013 11: 34
            +9
            We consider ourselves their descendants, but for this it’s not enough to live on the historical territory of the Cossack troops or to have Cossacks in your family, you need to adhere to not only traditions but also the unwritten canons of the Cossacks. Do not deserve - do not wear it, do not take it - do not take it. It is time to discharge the “mummers” and drive them into three necks, because shame and disgrace to the true Cossacks are one disgrace from such “Cossacks”.

            Here! And you need to start with yourself, but the glorious history of the ancestors who fought from the Caucasian War to Afghanistan is unconditionally helpful, but I absolutely agree about the canons! In our country, of the mummers only the Cossack choir remained (but they are artists, they can) demoted the rest laughing



            Excuse me, hto? The cap is general, the order is almost for the capture of Shipka. No, of course he may be a veteran of three wars, but on the shoulder there isn’t enough a parakeet ...

            http://www.ufakazak.ru/article/page/381 кому интересно статейка попалась...
            1. tomket
              tomket 19 February 2013 11: 59
              +5
              I think it’s EL-HOMOSEC, and he takes the gameparade.
              1. audentes
                audentes 19 February 2013 12: 21
                +2
                Why did you think so too lol
              2. Hon
                Hon 19 February 2013 15: 46
                +1
                They killed Keny laughing
            2. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 19 February 2013 20: 02
              +1
              Quote: klimpopov
              Excuse me, hto?
              Klim, this is a horse in a beautiful coat. But I have everything in an adult way bully
              ps if the text is small, I will explain ....
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 19 February 2013 20: 23
                +1
                Yes, here it is serious!
                1. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 19 February 2013 20: 56
                  +1
                  OsSpecNaz does not knit brooms !!! Probably, he was directly subordinate to the president. Secret is complete, by itself bully They exposed this aferyuga. Yes, there are such "mummers" ...
          2. Victor
            Victor 19 February 2013 17: 00
            0
            Quote: Tersky
            It is time to discharge the “mummers” and drive them into three necks, because shame and disgrace to the true Cossacks are one disgrace from such “Cossacks”.

            1000+ soldier soldier soldier good good good
      2. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 19 February 2013 11: 09
        0
        Not at all, but for what, but I already wrote about this, everything is much easier for your information. Yes, they once historically defended the borders of the Russian state, only long ago it was, and over time the borders expanded and the Cossacks were quite far from them
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 19 February 2013 11: 17
          +1
          Yes, but for some reason, even in the XVIII century, they were the first on the same new borders to resettle where especially you can’t live peacefully with the local population. And from the so-called habitable places, maybe they should have been interested in privileges somehow? And if you recall the history of the Caucasian war? You reduce everything to the end of the XIX beginning of the XX century, and it may be worth looking at least a century deeper ...
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 19 February 2013 12: 25
          +3
          Quote: vladsolo56
          and the Cossacks were quite far from them

          how paradoxically I live just on the border, where my ancestors lived since 1558 ...
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 19 February 2013 12: 33
            +1
            And apparently there are many such "paradoxes" laughing
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 19 February 2013 14: 25
              +2
              Quote: klimpopov
              And apparently there are many such "paradoxes"

              Well, not everyone is dedicated to this, alas ...
      3. old rocket man
        old rocket man 19 February 2013 17: 32
        0
        Tersky,
        And why, in fact, to clarify, for life-long, practically military service, drinks
    3. SHOCK.
      SHOCK. 19 February 2013 11: 00
      +2
      They defended not only the tsar, but the foundations of the state. They did the right thing by the way, because no one needs revolutions.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 19 February 2013 11: 11
        +2
        Revolutions do not happen just like that from the floundering bay; for your information, they arise under the circumstances of the unbearable life of the majority of the country's population.
        1. SHOCK.
          SHOCK. 19 February 2013 11: 14
          +3
          Who worked, he lived well at that time. I know from my family.
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 19 February 2013 11: 23
            +4
            no need to scratch, our city has an average salary of 8-9 thousand, but at least it’s impossible to earn a decent living for such a salary.
            1. Viking
              Viking 19 February 2013 11: 59
              +1
              Quote: vladsolo56
              our city has an average salary of 8-9 thousand, but at least it’s impossible to earn a decent living for such a salary.

              And after any so expected "revolution" money will fall on you straight from the sky? Or what is likely - the latter will be taken away, possibly along with life.
              1. vladsolo56
                vladsolo56 19 February 2013 12: 05
                +2
                do you have a complex where you saw what I called for a revolution? people generally forgot how to understand what they are told or written
                1. Hon
                  Hon 19 February 2013 15: 40
                  0
                  Just many seem like spies, rEvolutionaries and agents of the State Department)))
              2. Hon
                Hon 19 February 2013 14: 24
                0
                http://smotri.com/video/view/?id=v22857272e79

                The song about the love of Russia, very accurately reflects the current state. At the end, the most interesting ...
        2. Viking
          Viking 19 February 2013 11: 57
          0
          Quote: vladsolo56
          For your information, they arise under the circumstances of the unbearable life of the majority of the country's population.

          Like in Libya and Syria? Or they are still mostly inspired from abroad, as, for example, the so-called. "revolution of 1917", to which they put their hands, money and special opportunities. services of Britain and Germany.
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 19 February 2013 12: 02
            +4
            In Libya, as in Syria, there has now been full intervention, this is the first. About Russia for 17 years, it is naive to believe that only money injections could revolutionize, if people live in abundance no money is enough to raise him to a riot, do not listen to propaganda for the demented.
        3. RAMBO
          RAMBO 19 February 2013 19: 05
          +1
          Revolutions do not arise, they are satisfied, and who made the revolution in Russia in 17 has long been known, if you still do not know, look on the internet for information.
    4. tomket
      tomket 19 February 2013 11: 55
      0
      Cossacks were by no means cops, but were the most mobilized troops, if for example some Ryazan regiment had to be given time for training, then the Cossacks were always under arms, and besides, there were no problems with the lack of combat experience and problems with the transfer, since they mostly equestrian.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 19 February 2013 11: 57
        +1
        No one even claims that they were police officers, only when the police could not cope, then the Cossacks were first of all given to help her. read the story.
        1. tomket
          tomket 19 February 2013 12: 12
          +1
          given as the most disciplined, and able to complete the task.
        2. Viking
          Viking 19 February 2013 12: 34
          0
          Quote: vladsolo56
          only when the police could not cope, then the Cossacks were first given to help her. read the story.

          Well, read who, for example, was shot on 9 January 1905 by a demonstration led by priest Gapon. The soldiers. It is soldiers. Preobrazhensky Regiment. And the fact that the Cossack units at that time performed to some extent the role of the Internal Troops (or, in the American manner, the National Guard) in general has only a positive role.
          1. Hon
            Hon 19 February 2013 14: 37
            +2
            All of course is true, but why should the state do this? If the Cossacks need to revive their traditions, then forward the flag in hand. Traditions are not revived by decrees; traditions are brought up in the family. As for the Cossack troops, it is also unclear why? They do not particularly fit into the current armed forces system. In addition, this is associated with significant financial and organizational difficulties, since people need to be trained, create a material base, etc., it is better to direct these efforts to increase the combat readiness of ordinary military personnel.
    5. воронов
      воронов 19 February 2013 20: 52
      +3
      It is not necessary to categorically make the Cossacks such a repressive, tsarist body. Beginning in the second half of the 17 century, Cossacks practically participated in all wars waged by the Russian Kingdom, and later the Russian Empire, on the side, or as part of regular Russian troops. A very small part of the Cossack units really attracted mainly in both capitals, based on the prevailing political situation, to protect public order
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 19 February 2013 21: 05
        +2
        Semyonovsky regiment to the Cossacks in no way, and for a long time still in Moscow after 1905, "remembered" for the severity of the execution of the order to suppress riots. So the Cossacks were not "tsarist gendarmerie", but loyal to the oath of mobile combat units.
  • Download Do Re Mi
    Download Do Re Mi 19 February 2013 10: 46
    +3
    There are mummers, and there are real Cossacks!
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 19 February 2013 12: 27
      +3
      Quote: Download Do Ryo Mi
      There are mummers, and there are real Cossacks!

      Actually what the article is about, here it is from the mummers and it is necessary to clear the Cossacks ..
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 19 February 2013 19: 48
        0
        Quote: Tersky
        Actually what the article is about, here it is from the mummers and it is necessary to clear the Cossacks ..

        YES.
    2. Viking
      Viking 19 February 2013 12: 43
      +3
      Quote: Download Do Ryo Mi
      but there are real Cossacks!

      But the real Cossacks, who is this? Well, for today? Could there be a Cossack, for example, a manager working at the office until 18 pm, and turning into a Cossack at 19 pm? As I understand it, the Cossacks had a military-peasant class, cultivating the land and having basic income, having certain privileges and performing certain functions, such as border protection, compulsory military service, which must be mobilized in the first place. Is there such a thing now? Of course not. In my opinion, the Cossacks, as a historical phenomenon, simply lost their meaning due to time.
      And if it remains, it’s not just as a way of life, but as a historical one, maybe a political movement but no more. Well, as an example, a club of interests, or whatever the club of military history lovers.
      1. Download Do Re Mi
        Download Do Re Mi 19 February 2013 14: 01
        +1
        A Cossack is a military class, a warrior caste if you like. And certainly not managers! A Cossack must hone his skills of fighting every day and everything he has to do!
        1. Hon
          Hon 19 February 2013 14: 40
          +4
          And who will feed him while he hones his skills? There are military men, they are coping with their tasks, why else are the Cossacks? Then the nobility must be revived, this is also a military estate, also professional soldiers.
          1. Download Do Re Mi
            Download Do Re Mi 19 February 2013 16: 16
            0
            This is the army of the Cossacks, the army that has always defended the borders, and now if they are included in the RF Armed Forces, Russia will only benefit from this, because discipline in Cossack troops and squads is hundreds of times better than in the RF Armed Forces! everything in the army and success in hostilities depends on discipline, of course, also on training, but where there is no discipline, there is nothing!
            1. Hon
              Hon 19 February 2013 16: 26
              -2
              Quote: Download Do Ryo Mi
              This is the army of the Cossacks, the army that has always defended the borders, and now if they are included in the RF Armed Forces, Russia will only benefit from this, because discipline in Cossack troops and squads is hundreds of times better than in the RF Armed Forces! everything in the army and success in hostilities depends on discipline, of course, also on training, but where there is no discipline, there is nothing!

              Who to introduce? Which troops? Where did the Cossack troops come from? Where is there at least one Cossack military unit? Boy, what are you talking about?
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 19 February 2013 16: 57
                +3
                Quote: Hon
                Boy, what are you talking about?

                read
                Federal Law of December 5, 2005 No. 154-ФЗ “On the Public Service of the Russian Cossacks”
                1. Hon
                  Hon 19 February 2013 17: 10
                  +2
                  That is, it says that in Russia there are Cossack military units? By the way, those who are burdened with this law also use it. The campaign is not only among the mummers of megalomania but also among the entire Cossacks. Eternal petitioners of special status. laughing
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 19 February 2013 17: 33
                    0
                    Have you heard anything about the 247th North Caucasian Cossack Airborne Assault Regiment?
                    1. Hon
                      Hon 19 February 2013 17: 53
                      +3
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      Have you heard anything about the 247th North Caucasian Cossack Airborne Assault Regiment?

                      Of course I heard, as well as about the 108th Guards Airborne Assault Kuban Cossack Order of the Red Star Regiment. They are only equipped with regular soldiers conscripts, not Cossacks. And besides the name they have nothing to do with the Cossacks.
                      1. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 19 February 2013 18: 30
                        +2
                        Well, in 247 it served a lot and serves after those schools that I wrote about in comments, but of course they are not exclusively equipped with them, but the name is a fact ...
                      2. Hon
                        Hon 20 February 2013 08: 38
                        0
                        Quote: klimpopov
                        but the name is - a fact ...

                        Well, if the name is of course, all the Cossacks have been revived, now they reach Cossacks after reaching the age of 18 through military enlistment offices, whether you are at least an Uzbek, at least a Kalmyk, at least a Chechen)))
            2. Download Do Re Mi
              Download Do Re Mi 19 February 2013 17: 11
              -1
              If you uncle didn’t understand, then it’s not for me, type 03 and say that you don’t understand, it can help!
              1. Hon
                Hon 19 February 2013 17: 23
                0
                Quote: Download Do Ryo Mi
                If you uncle didn’t understand, then it’s not for me, type 03 and say that you don’t understand, it can help!

                Yes, I understand everything. Always whining about how important you are. Give us status, give us privileges, give us authority, revive us. Gays recalls that the parade also needs gay marriage, you have a special status. But in fact the same roosters are mummers.
                1. Download Do Re Mi
                  Download Do Re Mi 19 February 2013 18: 24
                  -1
                  I’m not a Cossack, so calm down! In general, it’s immediately clear that you are a liquid-liberal asshole!
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 20 February 2013 09: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Download Do Ryo Mi
                    In general, you can immediately see that you are a liquid-liberal asshole!

                    Well, at least not a pseudo-patriot in pants with stripes and undeserved rewards.
                2. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 19 February 2013 18: 32
                  0
                  Someone asks for something from you? Or status or money? Your right not to give.
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 20 February 2013 08: 39
                    0
                    So no one gives laughing
          2. 101
            101 19 February 2013 19: 09
            +3
            And who is stopping them so wonderful Forward contract service Well, there are no special troops privileges checker dad dad chieftain to choose for yourself and loudly yell
    3. washi
      washi 19 February 2013 17: 25
      -1
      Previously, the task of the Cossacks was to protect the borders of the state.
      Something I do not see Cossack troops on the borders of the Russian state: Kunashir, Iturup, Shikotan, Amur Region, Chechnya, Dagestan. No, they are now in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
      1. Letnab
        Letnab 19 February 2013 18: 09
        -1
        I support if they talk about protecting the state border, and that from time immemorial they have served and want to serve. So let them create border units, block the borders along the Far East, and along the north. The maintenance of these parts in peacetime on the economic side, partly should be borne by their relatives, I think they will feed.
  • AK-47
    AK-47 19 February 2013 13: 06
    +6
    Quote: Download Do Ryo Mi
    There are mummers, and there are real Cossacks!

    This one is like the present.
    1. Download Do Re Mi
      Download Do Re Mi 19 February 2013 14: 02
      +1
      What kind of event is this?
      1. AK-47
        AK-47 19 February 2013 14: 45
        0
        Quote: Download Do Ryo Mi
        What kind of event is this?

        Yes, so I know, colorful.
    2. tomket
      tomket 19 February 2013 14: 53
      +4
      celebrate the pogrom of the gameparade)))))
  • SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 19 February 2013 10: 49
    +1
    The article is correct and questions are important. Yes, the Cossacks were destroyed as a class, but you need to start and revive this class with something. Quality, as a class, as an organized force, is needed by the country and all of us Russian people. Cossacks (not mummers Of course) this is faith in God, the Tsar and the Fatherland.
    Russia and Russians need it now. Quality is already beneficial, take
    the same Voronezh region, Krasnodar region, Stavropol. And the "pure" Cossack
    or half-breed in this case is not so important. It is important that years will pass and everyone will return to square one. And from the mummers it makes me sick. Most of all
    raging rewards. But this trash will be eliminated over time.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 19 February 2013 11: 03
      0
      In the context of the Cossacks, "pure" is just a strange concept, just now there is such an opinion. The Cossacks were also strong in that they absorbed a lot of the best from outside (well, figuratively speaking). And what now needs to be revived, well, it itself will revive or revive, it's just that these mummers and their sympathizers bring a lot of negativity ...
      1. washi
        washi 19 February 2013 17: 18
        0
        And what did the Kazan or Solntsevskaya group or the Sobka gang absorb in themselves? If not good people raised from birth, then you will not become an angel.
        And if from the very beginning they were engaged in robbery, then it’s hard to reorient
    2. Cheloveck
      Cheloveck 19 February 2013 19: 16
      +2
      Quote: Sh.O.K.
      but you need to start and revive this class with something.

      Explain, on which famous vegetable garden need to revive this class?
      Quote: Sh.O.K.
      The Cossacks, as a class, as an organized force, are needed by the country and all of us Russian people.
      Here I am Russian, but the Cossacks have completely fallen to me. In no form.
      And in the circle of my friends no one needs a Cossack.
      Quote: Sh.O.K.
      it is faith in God, the King and the Fatherland.

      Who is the KING?
      Eeee, and, excuse me, is it impossible to believe in these three incarnations outside the Cossacks?
      Quote: Sh.O.K.
      The important thing is that years will pass and everyone will return to square one.

      I hope that the foam subsides, and the Cossacks will remain only on stage with their songs and dances.
      At least this is not bad for them.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 19 February 2013 19: 31
        +1
        Quote: Cheloveck
        Explain, on which famous vegetable garden need to revive this class?

        This is a class of defenders. (How do you know the "fighters" in the anthill?)
        Quote: Cheloveck
        Here I am Russian, but the Cossacks have completely fallen to me. In no form.
        And in the circle of my acquaintances no one feels the need for Cossacks

        It hasn’t pinched one place yet (God forbid that it happen)
        Quote: Cheloveck
        I hope that the foam subsides, and the Cossacks will remain only on stage with their songs and dances.
        At least this is not bad for them.

        God grant that the "mummers" disappear and the real ones are reborn. Border Guards, Fighters, Wars, in a word, PROTECTORS of Frontiers, Honor and Dignity of the RUSSIANS.
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 20 February 2013 17: 22
          +2
          Quote: Garrin
          God grant that the "mummers" disappear and the real ones are reborn. Border guards, Fighters, Wars, in a word, PROTECTORS of Frontiers, Honor and Dignity of RUSSIANS

          Or maybe you just don’t run from the conscription service and everything will be fine? Like in the good Soviet times. And then there’s just no one to defend the honor and dignity of Russians, even special people are needed for this! what
  • stas52
    stas52 19 February 2013 10: 56
    +6
    He talked with people who consider themselves to be Cossacks, agreed that if you consider yourself an ardent champion of the Cossacks, do not run with a whip in the cities, but go take up the plow and raise agriculture.
    And if you really want it, let's introduce the Cossack regiments in the army, but not with a saber and a whip, but with conventional weapons.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 19 February 2013 11: 06
      +3
      Already introduced there is DShB Cossack ...
    2. SHOCK.
      SHOCK. 19 February 2013 11: 07
      0
      I agree, it should be so (in the sense of work and service).
    3. tomket
      tomket 19 February 2013 12: 20
      0
      By the way, if Cossacks would go around in Moscow with whips, maybe the hot Dagestan guys at weddings thought ten times before firing into the air in the city center?
      1. Viking
        Viking 19 February 2013 12: 50
        +3
        Quote: tomket
        By the way, if Cossacks would go around in Moscow with whips, maybe the hot Dagestan guys at weddings thought ten times before firing into the air in the city center?

        And what - the Cossacks would have flogged them with whips? Well, this excuse me completely from the area of ​​pure delirium. One citizen who considers himself a member of a certain club of interests (and I don’t consider the Moscow Cossacks in principle otherwise) is doing extrajudicial reprisals against another citizen of the Russian Federation. And why (purely theoretically) he can not do the same with the first?
        1. stas52
          stas52 19 February 2013 13: 08
          +3
          one just shoots into the air, the other considers himself in the right to hammer people with a whip. QUESTION: who is worse? without nationalities!
          1. tomket
            tomket 19 February 2013 14: 55
            0
            think further along the same lines, I hope you a Caucasian young man doesn’t shoot his face with a trauma from a kaenna at a traffic light
          2. stas52
            stas52 20 February 2013 10: 00
            +1
            8,02,2013 It became known that late last night, 51-year-old doctor Oleg Spiridonov, who was shot at point-blank range by 24-year-old general director of a large fuel company Pavel Brovkin, died in a parking lot in Khabarovsk ...

            The shooter turned out to be the 24-year-old vice president of Oil-Optima7 LLC Pavel Brovkin. The organization, led by Pavel in such a young age, is the largest fuel operator in the Nizhny Novgorod region, collaborates with Gazpromneft and Lukoil.
            According to unverified data, Brovkin used one of the most expensive drugs - cocaine. However, the court, based on the positive characteristics and the fact that Pavel had a dependent on a minor son, decided to release the suspect on his own recognizance. For attempted murder, Brovkin faces up to 15 years in prison. http://nnov.kp.ru/online/news/1361651
            You can collect a lot of such examples, mind you, not in the air shot, but in a man and not a Dagestan, but a Russian.
      2. Hon
        Hon 19 February 2013 14: 55
        0
        Just do not forget that hot Dagestan guys are entirely athletes, they do not go one by one, and they really love traumatic weapons. The whip is of course good, but it’s good for it when 80 J from the "wasp" arrives in the forehead. Do you think you put on trousers with stripes, took whips and all the cool peppers? It's not that simple ...
        1. tomket
          tomket 19 February 2013 15: 07
          +1
          Do you remember the song "Oisa, you oysa, don't be afraid of me, I won't touch you, don't worry." If the real Cossacks and not the mummers, then the whips are enough for a detachment of ois with traumatics. By the way, the Muscovites wrote the word just a little differently, they blocked it, as there are people but you can't write about them ??????
          1. Hon
            Hon 19 February 2013 15: 19
            +1
            Quote: tomket
            Do you remember the song "Oisa, you oisa, don't be afraid of me, I won't touch you, don't worry." If real Cossacks and not mummers, then whips are enough for a detachment of ois with traumatics.

            Nu-nu, and the Czechs were just scared of the male choir))) Do you want to deal with them? Go to the gym, buy injuries and be ready to use it, and prepare for the fact that you too can be crazy, you don’t have to be a Cossack for this .
  • Yoshkin Kot
    Yoshkin Kot 19 February 2013 11: 04
    0
    easy to destroy, hard to recreate
    I personally believe that the Cossacks cannot be revived in their former form, but in the form of "reservists" it is quite possible, but the laws on weapons and many others must be changed.
    let's say a "Cossack army" is being created under the auspices of the Russian Armed Forces, shooting training, sniper rifle, practice, hand-to-hand combat, and other applied topics and not for children, but for men, with exams a couple of times a year, fees, and not in "obligatory" but for those who really This is what he wants, in the event of an emergency, not to mention mobilization, assistance in the armed protection of the order of the police. obligation to prevent crimes committed in front of the Cossacks
    sorry sorry,
    1. Viking
      Viking 19 February 2013 13: 08
      0
      Quote: Yoshkin Cat
      let's say a "Cossack army" is being created under the auspices of the Russian Armed Forces, shooting training, sniper rifle, practice, hand-to-hand combat, and other applied topics, and not for children, but for men, with exams a couple of times a year, fees, and not in "obligatory" but for those who really it wants, involvement in the event of an emergency, not to mention mobilization, assistance in armed police

      Quote: Yoshkin Cat
      I’ll add, it’s possible a number of benefits, such as the exemption from income tax on salaries, let's say the average for the region, additional medical insurance, but also the mandatory involvement in the protection of public order

      This is largely described the structure of the US National Guard


      The National Guard of the United States is a reserve group organized by the US Army and Air Force. It exists in every state and territory of the US. It has a dual subordination: state and federal.
      The National Guard is the so-called organized reserve of the US Armed Forces (an unorganized (individual) reserve consists of people who have sufficient military training, who have recently completed military service and do not need additional training).
      The National Guard can be activated in emergency situations by the state governor to carry out various tasks within the country (eliminating the consequences of natural disasters, maintaining law and order in the event of mass unrest, etc.), performing in such cases approximately the same functions as internal troops. Also by decision of the President of the United States can be used to support the US Army and Air Force, including outside the United States.


      National Guards Guard Pennsylvania Station in New York
      Of the recent events, the National Guard participated in the elimination of riots in Los Angeles in 1992 (9975 National Guards participated in the riot control operation), the maintenance of public order after the terrorist attack on September 11, 2001, the elimination of the consequences of Hurricane Katrina "

      Service in the National Guard is combined with work in the main specialty. About 60 thousand men and women enter the National Guard annually (on average). They are required to undergo combat training in individual and group exercises (48 four-hour programs on weekends per year), they are also sent to two-week camps, connected to military and command post exercises along with regular units. Leaders of organizations can be held criminally liable if they prevent their national guard officers from fulfilling the tasks set by the state.
      In addition to the basic payments for service in the National Guard, guardsmen are entitled to allowances for housing, monetary compensation for the purchase of uniforms (from 200 to 1200 dollars per year), payment of medical expenses, they have the opportunity to buy food and goods in military stores, refuel vehicles military stations, where the price is two times lower than the national average. Having quit after a 20-year service, the guardsmen also receive very substantial pension benefits, which are completely exempt from taxation.
      When a mobilization or emergency is declared, parts of the National Guard are included in the regular forces. So, during the war in the Persian Gulf in 1991, 245 thousand reservists were called up, which amounted to half the total number of American troops concentrated at that time in Saudi Arabia.
  • Bender
    Bender 19 February 2013 11: 05
    +1
    All sorts of Cossacks. And mummers and mummers, the main thing that would bring benefits!
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 19 February 2013 18: 21
      +2
      Quote: Bender
      ... the main thing that would benefit!

      This one is obviously good and there is some benefit from it.
  • Yoshkin Kot
    Yoshkin Kot 19 February 2013 11: 06
    -2
    I’ll add, it’s possible a number of benefits, such as the exemption from personal income tax on the region’s average for the region, additional medical insurance, but also mandatory involvement in the protection of public order, to develop rules for what kind of weapon it should be, such as SKS, or something else at home
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 19 February 2013 11: 12
      +2
      Involvement in the maintenance of public order is good, but can the police still? I do not think it is right to reduce the functions of the Cossacks to gendarme functions. Better preparation for the sun. Public order and weapons on hand, and what if we say so few non-Cossacks would agree on the same conditions?
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 19 February 2013 12: 48
        0
        So what? police, I have a house in the village. the district police officer is far away, men here we have taught the puppies of the gopniks, those to the brothers, well, they put those in their place, and where is the police?
        1. Viking
          Viking 19 February 2013 12: 54
          +2
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          I have a house in the village. the district police officer is far away, men here we have taught the puppies of the gopniks, those to the brothers, well, they put those in their place

          Well, for this you don’t have to put on pants with stripes, chrome boots and put on a hat, right?
          And by the way your "brothers" (no offense will be said) will see the same "serious guys" of the village spill.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 19 February 2013 14: 07
            0
            They understood me correctly, thanks.
        2. nerd.su
          nerd.su 20 February 2013 17: 29
          +1
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          here we are the guys, we taught the puppies of the gopniks, those to the brothers, well, they put those in their place, and where is the police?

          And where are the Cossacks? Have you come to the brothers on the arrow in pants with stripes?
          And you can't do that without stripes? If I have red pants, then you have to do "ku" in front of me three times and the Ecelop has no right to beat me? laughing
  • Averias
    Averias 19 February 2013 11: 18
    +6
    With the so-called "Cossack squads" the question is quite interesting. There is no point in voting "For" or "Against". Firstly, if the squads - then explain accordingly their powers, scope, tasks, And then it all looks like "Father Makhno" (allegorically and metaphorically, of course), they say where we are there and power. And why excuse the power? When I sometimes see these fine fellows discharged to smithereens on the street, laughter makes me laugh. Awards (for what?) Were put on, chevrons, stripes, shoulder straps - and who was in charge of that, and for what such merits? And the slogans, such as - Let's free the markets from the dominance of immigrants from Asia and the Caucasus, yeah, they liberated them, after which the prices in stores for vegetables and fruits soared to the ceiling.
    Here is an example I want to give from the era of students.
    Opposite my technical school, there is a supermarket and there is a cafeteria, and everything is cheap there. So we went there for lunch. And near the supermarket there is a market (this is just the 90s), and on the market you can buy everything, including "grass" (although everyone knows about it, there was a police post there, and all this was happening before their eyes). So, we ate, we go to class, here a red-haired and unshaven fellow comes up, in an overcoat not in size, in worn-out boots and in an orderly order declares - hands out of pockets, I’ll shmag. Oops, I ask a question, and who are you, you are a nice person, what do you want, you haven't confused anything? And he is like an instinct, hands out of pockets, there are prohibited items and so on. They say we are Cossacks and are conducting a raid with the police. I told him, duck you show me the paper, the authority, and what I do not see the police point-blank - it's useless, oppressing his own. I tell him, get away from sin, does not understand and even tries to drag me by the sleeve somewhere. There is nothing to do, in general I dropped it, so that I would lie down thinking about the eternal. And I went to school, walk past the booth with the police - they all laugh as one. He asked, and this subchik, really with you, in response - why are we like idiots. It is the local chieftain who takes the initiative, and along the way, the "blacks" are trying to survive from the market.
    Here is such a collision.

    And then in that year I saw an interview with a Cossack on a local channel. At first he did not hesitate to tell how proud he was that he was a Cossack, how everything in his family was according to the laws of the Cossacks (his wife, like a gray mouse, glided along the walls, laid the table, and he, like a true host, sits and broadcasts, occasionally yelling at the household). From all his tongue-tied broadcasts, I understood one thing: even though he lives in my city and makes money, we all live wrongly, that he does not even like us. The finale was obvious - he said, it is necessary to introduce the Cossacks!?!?! (Like this, why, and who will introduce it, it’s not the troops to introduce amendments to the law). And oblige everyone to live according to the laws of the Cossacks, and then they say grace and a bright future will come. It reminds you nothing of friends; it reminds me of something. Some bearded personalities also say that you need to live according to the laws of Sharia, that you need to accept Islam, that it is salvation. And the rest to wet.
    The slogan immediately comes to mind - He who is not with us is against us.
    1. tomket
      tomket 19 February 2013 12: 06
      +2
      At the moment, this situation. There are hereditary Cossacks who live in the villages, but they are not much reminiscent of pre-revolutionary ancestors, as far as they were divorced from their vocation-to be military, and their everyday life is no different now from ordinary villagers, the Cossack hundreds objection in the form of mummers the phenomenon is quite a good phenomenon because at least some kind of visual representation of Russian culture.
      1. Viking
        Viking 19 February 2013 13: 03
        +3
        Quote: tomket
        the reprisal of the Cossack hundreds in the form of mummers is a quite good phenomenon, because at least some kind of visual representation of Russian culture.

        As we say, the military history club is not bad at all. But not more. There are, for example, military-historical clubs dedicated to the example of the Red Army, they study history, sew the uniform, even to the smallest detail, collect historical or pseudo-historical elements of paraphernalia, conduct their gatherings, reconstructions, and demonstrations. Who is against? For God's sake. But if they began to pace the cities in their uniforms - to check documents, looking for pests and saboteurs, demanding blackouts and curfews, so to speak, according to the laws of war.
        Everyone understands perfectly well that this is utter nonsense. But with the so-called. "Cossacks" for some reason, such a surge occurs from time to time.
        1. tomket
          tomket 19 February 2013 14: 59
          +2
          and if, under the influence of Cossack customs and revived foundations, our schoolgirls cease to wallow on graduation drunk, or go into the army among the guys will again be a matter of course, serve the fatherland, and that the Old Man was proud of his son, will this make you worse ??? ?
          1. Hon
            Hon 19 February 2013 15: 21
            +1
            Our schoolgirls will only send these Cossacks with their traditions to Khutor laughing
            1. tomket
              tomket 19 February 2013 17: 56
              +1
              If there are no guidelines and examples, then they will send you to the moon, and maybe away, and if there is an example before your eyes, read above how a Cossack raised his wife for not opening the gate to him, then schoolgirls will grow up moral and chaste, and will uncle shame you for scolding in a public place.
              1. Hon
                Hon 19 February 2013 18: 05
                0
                Quote: tomket
                Cossack brought up his wife for the fact that she did not open the gate to him

                That's all the Cossacks))) In the meantime, the girls do not shame me and send the Cossacks ...
                1. Garrin
                  Garrin 19 February 2013 18: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Hon
                  That's all the Cossacks))) In the meantime, the girls do not shame me and send the Cossacks ...

                  Well, stupidity.
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 19 February 2013 18: 12
                    0
                    Quote: Garrin
                    Well, stupidity.

                    I agree stupidity, as well as the comment to which I replied
            2. Tersky
              Tersky 19 February 2013 21: 44
              +2
              Quote: Hon
              Our schoolgirls will only send these Cossacks with their traditions to Khutor

              Well, let them try,
              , and then let her mentality sparkle with her bare ass, proving that she offended her Cossack with a sort of makar laughing
              1. Hon
                Hon 20 February 2013 08: 28
                -1
                Quote: Tersky
                then let it flash in the mentovka with a bare ass, proving that her Cossack offended a kind of Makar


                And immediately two articles of hooliganism and beatings, you can go to the resort for seven years, and in addition, a good investigator will prove violent acts of a sexual nature against an imperfect summer, and for this a dashing Cossack will be in a cockerel laughing
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 20 February 2013 09: 06
                  +1
                  What deep knowledge do you have in your life
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 20 February 2013 09: 21
                    0
                    Well, I know by what articles it is better not to sit down and which tattoos are better not to fill ...
          2. washi
            washi 19 February 2013 17: 09
            -2
            Do you know the customs of the Cossack?
            Do not sow land, do not have wives
            It was then that they landed a little, but as they were, they remained.
            No wonder they were even scared during World War I. Robbed in the offensive, and in the trenches to sit in the bastard, it is better to have something else, or whom.
            1. Hon
              Hon 19 February 2013 17: 18
              +1
              Quote: Vasya
              in the trenches to sit in the bastard, it is better to have something else, or whom.

              They performed the functions of light cavalry and reconnaissance, in the trenches they had no need to sit.
              1. Garrin
                Garrin 19 February 2013 18: 12
                +2
                That's all the Cossacks))) In the meantime, the girls do not shame me and send the Cossacks ..
                . Read about "Plastuns Terskikh", Read about the Defense of Sevastopol (the first) and the role of the Cossacks in it.
                When you read, then we'll talk.
                1. Hon
                  Hon 19 February 2013 18: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: Garrin
                  Read about "Plastuns Terskikh", Read about the Defense of Sevastopol (the first) and the role of the Cossacks in it.
                  When you read, then we'll talk.

                  So I’m talking about that, the plastunas are scouts, just trenches are not typical tasks for Cossack troops, they are light mobile troops, it would be foolish for the command to use them in a trench warfare.
                  1. Garrin
                    Garrin 19 February 2013 18: 31
                    0
                    Quote: Hon
                    So I’m talking about that, the plastunas are scouts, just trenches are not typical tasks for Cossack troops, they are light mobile troops, it would be foolish for the command to use them in a trench warfare.
                    So I wrote about the "plastuns" They could lie in ambushes for weeks, these are the Kubans. Caucasians were "treated" so that God forbid we learn this way.
            2. Tersky
              Tersky 19 February 2013 21: 48
              +2
              Quote: Vasya
              Do not sow land, wives do not have It was then they landed a little, but as they were, they remained.

              Well, how about Vasya, at least a couple for decency, or trolling above all?
              Quote: Vasya
              Robbed in the offensive, and in the trenches to sit in the bastard, it is better to have something else, or whom.

              Judging by ourselves?
      2. washi
        washi 19 February 2013 17: 11
        -1
        it has nothing to do with Russian culture. More likely to Caucasian, Turkish and Polish
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 19 February 2013 16: 08
      +1
      Gentlemen! Leave their toys to those who play! Isn't it better to pay attention to those who want and can be useful! Or, for the good of the Motherland only "correct" motivation is needed? Yes, at least the Jedi-would be good! About the format of the modern Cossacks: (Oh, I feel, they will "mince" me ....) Gurkha Riflemen in the British Armed Forces - no privileges, except for serving the Queen!
    3. washi
      washi 19 February 2013 17: 13
      -2
      Not enough cops - enter DND - as it was pr Soviet power
      1. Viking
        Viking 19 February 2013 17: 30
        +1
        Quote: Vasya
        enter DND - as it was pr Soviet power

        DND and now for your information exist.
  • Tuzik
    Tuzik 19 February 2013 11: 45
    +5
    I think the Cossacks in their current form is money laundering, idleness and avoiding civil service, in general, what would be done in such a way that they would not do anything and they would also pay for it. Do you need the Cossacks? Create units in the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs with a certain bias and rules, and regional "private" power structures by nationality, religion and other characteristics are the decentralization of the entire country, in each region there will be "Cossacks", "Pugachevites" and other heirs of something who then there from the distant past, in the end we get another brick in the wall of the collapse of the country.
    1. tomket
      tomket 19 February 2013 15: 11
      0
      Duc how many of these very departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs can already be created ????? If this organization does not work under any circumstances, it can just create something else ????
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 19 February 2013 15: 34
        +1
        Quote: tomket
        If this organization does not work for us under any circumstances

        Or maybe this is just such a cunning move? The Ministry of Internal Affairs does not allow to work higher "leaders", with whom drug dealers are best friends. The merchants will be detained, and they will be immediately given a lawyer, released on bail, and those who detained them will also be reprimanded - "Oh, what a man was detained!" But the Cossacks are a free people's militia, who are leaving this drug dealer with whips so that he will swear and will not run to complain. IMHO
      2. saygon66
        saygon66 19 February 2013 18: 08
        0
        THIS ORGANIZATION successfully works, on the principles of self-sufficiency! And substituting MYSELF will not allow anyone. No matter how they are called- chop, DND, Cossacks, etc.
  • Navuxonastupil
    Navuxonastupil 19 February 2013 11: 45
    +9
    Every class has its own time! Agree that nothing but humor is caused by the newly-made "nobles" who buy the once glorious and loud surnames and other people's coats of arms! Even the Pupkins-Transdanubians and all sorts of von der-Zalupodrischenkos climb into the TV! The very concept of nobility without the institution of autocracy is sheer nonsense! The same is with the Cossacks! At one time, it covered itself with glory, defending the borders of the Fatherland, but let's not forget the attitude towards the Cossacks on the part of the rest of the population of Russia, and the ever-memorable Cossacks of Venka also did not increase the list of glorious deeds ..
    In my opinion, the Cossacks these days, as well as the nobility-ATAVISM. Well, I want someone in grandfather's uniform to walk, you are welcome to the club of re-instructors.
    I recalled the saying - your grandfather was a Cossack, father-son of a Cossack, and you yourself are horse-radish .. Why would I remember?
    1. tomket
      tomket 19 February 2013 12: 17
      +1
      This atavism may well be viable in farms and villages on the borders with Dagestan, for example, in the framework of self-defense, arming and sending to guard the borders and villages of Cossack hundreds, this atavism may become even more viable after the withdrawal of Americans from Afghanistan, when we have different Basurmans. he will climb with drugs and with his ideology. And IT WILL USE.
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 20 February 2013 17: 41
        -1
        Quote: tomket
        This atavism may well be viable in farms and villages on the borders with Dagestan, for example, as part of self-defense

        And for me, the consistent Stalinist policy on the national question is much fairer and more effective ... And people in the countryside should work better on land.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 19 February 2013 12: 14
    +4
    To understand the "mummer hundred or support for the people", you probably need to recall a little history. At least quite general.
    Cossack regions were formed in the old days on the outskirts of the state. The people who gathered there and called the Cossacks had the goal of living freely, feeding themselves both on their labor and on their "saber". In some historical periods, mainly "saber". Both the Muscovy and Poland in certain periods of their existence was beneficial. First of all, as a border buffer. Later, the Cossacks, having corporate ownership of land as an economic basis, privileges and privileges from the tsarist government, played both the role of a supplier of first-class and loyal military personnel to the sovereign, and the role of, albeit not quite a borderline, but quite definite buffer in the Caucasus and other places of the Russian Empire.
    What now?
    Who has the land? What are the privileges? Where is the legislative framework?
    The historical roots are largely lost.
    But there is a "great need" for both a "buffer" and intelligent servicemen.
    Probably, it is worth reviving the Cossacks on the lands of historical Cossack Troops on the same principles that existed in the Russian Empire.
    In short, from modern Cossacks, faithful service to the Russian state, and from the state to them, is a special economic and everyday way of life and social benefits.
    Then everything will be like an adult ... In the meantime ... Not that, not this. request
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 19 February 2013 12: 26
      0
      Obvious logical conclusions of a healthy person.
    2. Tuzik
      Tuzik 19 February 2013 12: 41
      +2
      Ie it turns out a separate type of contract? then other contractors need special privileges. Or should they come to the service with their weapons and uniforms with these benefits? The old Cossack principles in the modern world will not take root, because now you don’t have to use a sword and a saber to protect the borders.
      Cossacks in their present form can be regarded as preserving culture, traditions and just hobbies, the only role as a voluntary civilian detachment (vigilantes), without subsidies and deviations from the main place of work.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 19 February 2013 14: 12
        0
        And why do you think that the Cossacks are somehow going to the army with a saber and a gun, and what's wrong with these notorious Cossack princes? Family veneration, work, service? Well, yes, we have tolerance everywhere, sorry, I forgot. Again, if a person from childhood learns to serve, he will be favorably different from the person who just came and decided to serve, and they both have a place to be. Only if a person, so to speak from birth, connects himself with the army, why not help him?
        1. Tuzik
          Tuzik 19 February 2013 14: 57
          0
          Honoring the family, work, service in general should not be the nonsense and privilege of a certain group of citizens, but the norm for all citizens of the country, and they should be engaged in this in the same min culture, education and controlling (prohibiting) bodies. We also have cadet schools and other educational institutions with a military bias in education (what is the reason to fence the garden?). If a person wants to devote himself to the defense of his homeland, he goes to the universities of Moscow oblast (if he passes the exams) and safely serves the homeland. And the Cossacks in their current form are just a screen of slogans and window dressing, the crust of the esaul or the general of the Cossacks - they are sold left and right! They try to get into the economic and political part of the life of the country, attach themselves to cuts, etc. Often young Cossacks - without education! And they don’t want to go to study military affairs, but they want to get shoulder straps at their home near the house through manifestos and window dressing, and shoulder straps are a person with an education not lower than a specialist / engineer. so let's not confuse God's gift with fried eggs.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 19 February 2013 15: 10
            0
            And we don’t confuse what they wrote all right. But there are quite adequate people who are able to teach. We now have a Cossack school (not advertised), it is an addition to school education, after it people serve well, why not apply this experience more widely? Patriotic education and physical education are at the forefront if someone else has problems with the general education. In general, everything that was ditched after the collapse of the Union. With all this, adolescents feel their unity, they do not give offense on the street. On all sides, I have positive experience, I know about such ones and lower in the Kuban, they arrange shows with each other, compete and no one makes them jump through the fields on horseback, a completely modern education. And in the conditions of our destroyed educational system (believe me from the inside I saw) an excellent help. and there’s no need to prove some kind of hereditary kinship, and so on ... Again, all this is voluntary and no one drives them there ... But if it’s so bad, be so kind as to study diligently ... (I have such an upbringing just at home It was because Dad wore the form of CA, so everything is hammered in since childhood and without schools.))) laughing I simply don’t see alternatives to such institutions in our region ...
            1. Tuzik
              Tuzik 19 February 2013 16: 15
              +1
              I am completely FOR military patriotic education! Half of his life he lived in military camps, and there they raised that the house does not end beyond the threshold. There are schools, and not only Cossack ones, in our neighboring church there is a military patriotic department for young people, they run, train, go to training camps, and study. We simply smoothly approached the problem that concerns not separately the Cossacks, but the cultural and patriotic education of the whole country! there is no money to restore DOSAAFs, but it is necessary, I'm not talking about restoring the prestige of their importance. (and now without PR, modernization no matter how).
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 19 February 2013 16: 30
                0
                The essence of the problem is correctly seen. I’m all of this to the fact that in our region, under the auspices of the Cossacks, such an upbringing is quite real, besides, the memory is still strong, you just need to push it a little. And adolescents like to call themselves Cossacks, to feel part of something that has been around for centuries ...
                1. Tuzik
                  Tuzik 19 February 2013 16: 37
                  0
                  That's the point! What we want to see the Cossacks, and what it is now, I personally am against the creation of a military-political bloc based on the Cossacks, with an economic focus, which, although many representatives of the Cossacks, this can lead to a very bad result, especially God knows that can be seen in such a Cossacks from the white house. And then they are able to share and edit.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 19 February 2013 16: 59
                    0
                    All political peripitivities in the Cossacks begin when there is no clear understanding in the authorities of their need or need (well, it’s all in one word / sentence), when everything is normal and there is a king, father, then everyone quietly works and serves in their places. Well, there are certain circles that like uniforms like the African kings and generals of banana republics. Here I am so very figuratively)))
                    Again, why not help the schools we are talking about, and not accept some kind of program. It will help to improve the region ...
            2. washi
              washi 19 February 2013 16: 53
              -2
              So what? Where is the CWP, TRP, DOSSAF system? Where is the game "Zarnitsa"? Where is the LTO and UPC system?
              Found something to be proud of
              RESTORE THE SOVIET MILITARY-PATRIOTIC EDUCATION SYSTEM.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 19 February 2013 18: 00
                +1
                So I ask you WHERE? Ruined !? Who ruined? Is it a shame to be proud of a normal generation? Let not in those volumes which we would like? While you are crying about some kind of ephemeral revival, people are doing it, doing it on a voluntary basis without paying attention to anyone, just sure of the righteousness of their work, that's all! And you continue to expect that someone will come and return something or revive there while you yourself lie on the stove ...
                Zarnitsa is available! Field fees are available - everything is there! Go to the army! Another thing is that nobody needs literate people - this is sad.
                In general, I was sure that there is a certain circle of people who are always not happy with everything.

                RESTORE THE SOVIET MILITARY-PATRIOTIC EDUCATION SYSTEM.

                Only for, but alas ...
        2. washi
          washi 19 February 2013 16: 59
          0
          Again Cossack division into PEOPLE and the rest. Enter the Sevets system of Volunteer People’s Teams. ! 1 cop, for representation, the rest were from enterprises.
          Since there are almost no enterprises left, let the hamsters catch criminals
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 20 February 2013 17: 44
            0
            Quote: Vasya
            Since there are almost no enterprises left, let the hamsters catch criminals

            What for!
    3. Viking
      Viking 19 February 2013 13: 20
      +2
      Quote: Alekseev
      and they receive from the state a special economic and everyday way of life and social benefits.

      And what is the "special economic order"? And even more so everyday? How will the state regulate it? 21st century in the yard and artificially trying to build the 18th or 19th century in some places, well, not seriously. And we will really look at things - what percentage of those who in one way or another classify themselves as the so-called? "Cossacks" are really engaged in agriculture and this is how they live? I think that it is not very, very big.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 19 February 2013 14: 13
        0
        Well, when it was the XIX century in the yard and even earlier the eighteenth (if you know what I mean), someone says that he is trying to revive the old way? Think in my stereotypes ...
        And we will really look at things - what percentage of those who in one way or another classify themselves as the so-called? "Cossacks" are really engaged in agriculture and this is how they live? I think that it is not very, very big.

        I agree completely.
    4. washi
      washi 19 February 2013 17: 04
      -4
      THOSE. selling bitches were profitable, and they used it and are trying to use it until now
      1. Viking
        Viking 19 February 2013 17: 26
        +1
        Quote: Vasya
        THOSE. selling bitches were profitable, and they used it and are trying to use it until now

        Could you translate this nonsense into human language?
  • USNik
    USNik 19 February 2013 12: 27
    +2
    Alekseev plus, the Cossacks were primarily an expansive force restraining / advancing on aggressive neighbors. This was their strength, they were afraid = respected, reckoned with them because experienced fighters who fought more than once are strength. Who is it now? City goons hung with spools, requiring some privileges for themselves, just like some minority ...
    1. Jokervx
      Jokervx 19 February 2013 14: 31
      +2
      What chieftains, such and Cossacks. negative
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 19 February 2013 17: 54
      +2
      Quote: USNik
      Alekseev plus, the Cossacks were primarily an expansive force restraining / advancing on aggressive neighbors. This was their strength, they were afraid = respected, reckoned with them because experienced fighters who fought more than once are strength.



      Quote: USNik
      Who is it now? City goons hung with spools, requiring some privileges for themselves, just like some minority ...

      Do not be so sweeping. I have grandfathers from the Cossacks, but I will never wear stripes for crosses, because I can’t reach them by age and I didn’t even listen to them, and I don’t want to disgrace the rank. The Cossacks are not a nationality or ethnic group, but a STATE OF SOUL. Younger, he could, and now only disgrace.
      Although "uncle" with the Cossacks and could be. Would bring up correctly.
  • scorpido
    scorpido 19 February 2013 12: 28
    +2
    There are no Cossacks now, Cossacks didn’t just put on Cossack clothes and went to wave with a whip. Cossacks it was a whole nation with its own rules and laws. I live in the Kuban and I know firsthand what they were. An example is this: Once my great-great-grandmother did not have time to open the gate in time when my great-great-grandfather drove up, well, and as a result, he taught her to be a batman for it .. As it used to be, this was the norm .. Cossack -combat daring, brave brave man. I work as a teacher and often observe this situation - our Cossacks do not have enough people to attend the parade, they ask the school to allocate children for the parade. And so we walk bravely, boldly, not quite in the foot, getting tangled up in Cossack clothes, but we are reporting this way and that ... there are 32 Cossacks in the ranks, but in fact - 4. Yes, and they are going mainly to drink and eat for free. What is the Cossacks? There is only one laugh.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 19 February 2013 13: 26
      0
      Quote: scorpido
      There are no Cossacks now ...

      When people talk about Cossacks, artistic associations arise with the painting of I. Repin. Excuse me.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 19 February 2013 14: 16
        +3
        Again the stereotype. In Ukraine, it is perceived, for example, only to slice, it seems as if all the others are absent and none at all (and those that are certainly gone from them))), but meanwhile, I have a certain negative point.
        1. tomket
          tomket 19 February 2013 15: 02
          +3
          in Ukraine, and there are no countries in the world except Ukraine
      2. washi
        washi 19 February 2013 16: 45
        +1
        and who said that they are Ukrainians? There was rabble. Italians and Turks and Dutch met. They rowed loot from Muscovy and from Poland and Turkey. Who is more crazy for that and are fighting. In 1600, Muscovy did not have money, so they robbed Muscovy together with the Poles. And they supported both Dmitriev. Yes, and Pugachev and Razin, too, because the Cossacks.
        What were corrupt - and remained.
        Real patriots never voted about their benefit - they quietly and calmly did their job for the good of the country
  • Astartes
    Astartes 19 February 2013 12: 30
    +2
    The Cossacks formed as a free semi-robber semi-state entity. After being accepted into the service of the state, the Cossacks had to carry out military service all their lives. That is, a community of people was formed united in the main occupation. Since the number of Cossacks was strictly regulated, a certain isolation from the rest of the population arose due to the chosenness and privileged attitude of the authorities. Cossacks who do not fulfill their semantic function - permanent military service, cannot be Cossacks. It is necessary to create several regiments of the type of amphibious assault with a permanent registry to this military formation, these people will be considered Cossacks in essence, everything else is just a profanation of the phenomenon.
    1. washi
      washi 19 February 2013 16: 34
      -1
      I agree completely, but if they were robbers, then let them stay. Without state. accessories fight and rob where they send. There are shahids, Jesuits, and there are Cossacks.
  • DmitryK
    DmitryK 19 February 2013 12: 30
    0
    Let them dress, only with the condition that the number of stars on uniform should correspond to their rank of reserve or the rank of civil service.
  • Jokervx
    Jokervx 19 February 2013 13: 24
    +2
    Good day to all. Why do the Cossacks want to create something of their own "militarized and" "administrative.? If they are really patriots of the motherland, then there are many state institutions where they could honestly serve, increasing the glory of the fatherland. What is the motive of the leaders of the modern Cossacks? Judging by some tendencies, the authorities , influence and money. Everything is banal. The homeland needs not patriots, but devoted and hard-working.
    1. washi
      washi 19 February 2013 16: 29
      -1
      Dough they want to grab
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 19 February 2013 13: 26
    +1
    Unfortunately, the Cossacks have always been freemen and not support
  • Jokervx
    Jokervx 19 February 2013 13: 57
    +4
    Interestingly, what has the Cossacks created lately? In addition to hundreds of loafers with whips and a collection of instructions on how to live correctly. You go, for example, through the lands of black earth and ask the locals:

    - Whose fields are these with wheat, and whose fat herds are horses, cattle and pigs?
    Well, and so you a little boy sitting on a raven stallion and answers:
    - So the Cossacks live here, they cultivate the land, Russia feed the mother. And if necessary, they will show themselves in the military business.

    Here it is!
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 February 2013 14: 24
      0
      it’s more correct to ask what it did on its own
  • Black
    Black 19 February 2013 14: 05
    +4
    I am rooted in a Cossack. Both mom and dad are Cossack blood. Immediately make a reservation, the Cossacks considered themselves a separate people, and not an estate, they said, the Cossack went from the Cossack. My people’s blood is mixed with a stirrer. And talk !!!! - the grandmother of a Russian could only be understood by a Russian interpreter.
    The destruction of the Cossacks as an ethnosocial unit began in the 18th century (the Cossack liberties did not need to become stronger on the throne), everything ended in the 20s of the last century.
    About the revival ... About 15 years ago, the guys sewed "saba" suits, scribbled stripes, .... a circle ... the chieftain ... an incision ... Now they are laughing at themselves - the chieftain of the earth has seized it, the district administration stuffed his pocket. Ataman, (the district administration) graduated from the reserve medical institute, began to walk in the shoulder straps of a military foreman !!! Well, and cho - that's enough.
    The cousin fought, however, in Transnistria.
    I am a Cossack, sisters, brothers, uncles, Cossacks. We do not need to revive. The former Cossacks cannot be returned. It's a pity.
    1. Jokervx
      Jokervx 19 February 2013 14: 27
      +3
      While you are alive, the Cossacks are alive. Educate your children as worthy people and the spirit of the Cossacks will be reborn.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 February 2013 14: 28
      +3
      Quote: Chen
      The former Cossacks cannot be returned. It's a pity

      in the form in which it was, it was not necessary for anyone except the Cossacks.
    3. washi
      washi 19 February 2013 16: 28
      0
      In Kushchevka All the Cossacks were. As banditry and peaceful farmers were robbed, you continue
    4. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 19 February 2013 16: 33
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      Immediately make a reservation, the Cossacks considered themselves a separate people, and not an estate, they said, the Cossack went from the Cossack.


      Cossacks are precisely the estate, after the victory of Soviet power and the abolition of the estates - the history of the Cossacks is over. One of the last stones was the introduction of border guards in the Russian Empire.


      Quote: Chen
      Cossacks considered themselves a separate people


      Yes, even call a pot, just do not put in the oven laughing .
      Throughout the history of the Cossacks, you could become a Cossack and you could get out of the Cossacks! What Buddha take me people?
      KAZAK is a military service to the Fatherland!
      If you are a free military settler defending the borders of your homeland, then you have the right to be called a Cossack!
      Everything else is BAD !!!

      Well, or sons of misery like this:

      1. Black
        Black 19 February 2013 16: 45
        0
        If you are a free military settler defending the borders of your homeland, then you have the right to be called a Cossack!
        Everything else is BAD !!!


        You are absolutely wrong. It was by great fortune, with permission, to settle, to live all my life in the village, but not to become a Cossack, and you will be a settler all my life. And the border will only dream of. And nothing more. Admission to the Cossacks in the 18-19 centuries was not.
        It is now, they pour a glass of vodka, drank it from the checkers, and grunted it, that's it!
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 19 February 2013 17: 40
          0
          Quote: Chen
          You are absolutely wrong.


          What exactly?


          Quote: Chen
          It was by great fortune, with permission, to settle, to live all my life in the village, but not to become a Cossack, and you will be a settler all my life.


          read carefully what I wrote:


          Quote: Chen
          If you are a free military settler defending the borders of your homeland, then you have the right to be called a Cossack!


          key definitions --- military and defensive.


          Quote: Chen
          Admission to the Cossacks in the 18-19 centuries was not.


          Was, you just do not know.


          Quote: Chen
          It is now, they pour a glass of vodka, drank it from the checkers, and grunted it, that's it!


          you have to cross yourself and eat the shmat itself - according to the ancient Cossack custom laughing .


          Quote: Chen
          all! -cossacks!


          I agree, complete nonsense.
          Maybe in a joke as it should and find the descendants of the glorious people - the ninja? what
        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 19 February 2013 18: 11
          +2
          Not quite so, just at the end of the XVIII-beginning of the XIX century there were a lot of attributed Cossacks. In particular, in the Khopersky regiment up to half were ascribed. About a third of the attributed Cossacks were in the Stavropol fortress (I hope you know who the attributed Cossacks are?). And they had all the same rights as the rest.
          Now I will not go into local history, but a lot of the names of the Cossacks and in our former village came from the attributed ones. But there were also enough "old" families. My grandfather told me that they went to the Caucasus to atone for blood. Among the first carts arrived. And redeemed ...
  • calculator
    calculator 19 February 2013 14: 35
    0
    Gentlemen, Friends, Comrades, Citizens! You noticed that we very often have to answer about the same questions: Cossacks or not?
    Orthodoxy or not? Is it king or not? Are we Russian or not? .... and so on.
    1. Jokervx
      Jokervx 19 February 2013 15: 00
      +2
      I am sure we know the answer, we are only afraid to admit it to ourselves.
  • Black
    Black 19 February 2013 15: 17
    +1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    in the form in which it was, it was not necessary for anyone except the Cossacks.

    I think this is a very controversial issue. Adults, prepared, hardened, united by bonds of kinship, faith ...
    Maybe the boys would have died less in hot spots.
    1. Jokervx
      Jokervx 19 February 2013 15: 38
      +1
      No combat experience and courage of soldiers will save them from the mediocrity of the commanders. Moreover, the betrayal of their soldiers and officers by politicians has become commonplace.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 February 2013 17: 25
      0
      Quote: Chen
      I think this is a very controversial issue.

      not controversial
      the Cossacks are not a reserve in case of war, they are teammates, they should weaken the blow as much as possible and in the old days they should have also been a dirty trick to the neighbor between the wars, and the border began to stick, the Cossacks remained in the villages sometimes almost in the middle of the state, and most importantly as they were in fact, the bandit gangs remained, they wanted to return to the Don, they wanted to fight.
      1. Viking
        Viking 19 February 2013 20: 40
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        and most importantly, as there were essentially gangsters, they remained, they wanted to return to the Don, they wanted to fight.

        It is somehow difficult to imagine how they did it (wanted, fought, wanted - returned) while serving in regular units of the Russian Army. With the oath, the charter and other military things.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 19 February 2013 23: 00
          0
          1612 and 1917 are vivid examples of this
  • AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 19 February 2013 16: 00
    +2
    Was reading. I thought a lot. I believe this: Cossacks are a community of people living on their land, united by a common worldview, united by a way of life and family values. The Cossack remembers and takes pride in his roots, respects ancestors, and carries out military service before the State.
    What is seen now?
    They took their land from the Cossacks! Torn from the roots! Soviet power weaned from the worldview. There is no conscription in the traditional Cossack form, separate Cossack units. The way of life has changed a lot.
    And what is left? Memory of ancestors and Cossack conscience!
    And people say, We are Cossacks !, retained their roots and memory, we live according to the Cossacks, with a conscience, and each serve their homeland in their place!
    They do not need to dress up in the form of the 1914 of the year, to wear undeserved epaulettes and awards! They do not need to draw in front of others! They already know that KAZAKI !!!
    And the fact that we see mummers half-witted in "epaulettes with aiguillettes" are not Cossacks! It's a shame to look, but these clowns allow themselves to impose an alleged Cossack order, introduce corporal punishment, and speak on behalf of all Cossacks!
    So draw conclusions!
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 19 February 2013 16: 46
      +2
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      Cossacks are a community of people living on their land, united by a common worldview, united by a way of life and family values. The Cossack remembers and takes pride in his roots, respects ancestors, and carries out military service before the State.


      Ok, then the question is:
      - if instead of the word "Cossack" you substitute "citizen of Russia", what will change?

      Quote: AlNikolaich
      They took their land from the Cossacks!


      that is, in the villages of the Krasnodar Territory, the visiting Varangians live?


      Quote: AlNikolaich
      Soviet power weaned from the worldview.


      Quote: AlNikolaich
      And what is left? Memory of ancestors and Cossack conscience!


      Quote: AlNikolaich
      And people say - We are Cossacks !, retained their roots and memory,

      Quote: AlNikolaich
      Torn from the roots!
      belay belay belay
      do not notice the presence of contradictions?


      Quote: AlNikolaich
      we live according to Cossacks, with a conscience, and each serve their homeland in their own place!


      How's that?

      I repeat - the Cossack is a service to the Fatherland, the Cossacks were in the service of 18 years, were on demand with their weapons, defended the border of Russia.
      A modern Cossack should look something like this:
      1. tomket
        tomket 19 February 2013 18: 00
        0
        Cossacks may well be an alternative to contract soldiers
        1. Hon
          Hon 19 February 2013 18: 08
          0
          Quote: tomket
          Cossacks may well be an alternative to contract soldiers

          And why the hell do you need this alternative? Type will serve for free? And what about families then?
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 19 February 2013 18: 25
          0
          Quote: tomket
          Cossacks may well be an alternative to contract soldiers


          What for it is necessary?
        3. Viking
          Viking 19 February 2013 20: 47
          +1
          Quote: tomket
          Cossacks may well be an alternative to contract soldiers

          Definitely - it cannot. And there is no such class as "Cossacks". And it will not appear (in its previous form), since there are absolutely no social, economic, political prerequisites for this. The peasant warrior was relevant in a certain historical era. This era has passed. All. Dot.
  • washi
    washi 19 February 2013 16: 25
    -2
    Why create a sales structure again. Read the history of the Cossacks. At least the Civil War. All Atamans immediately organized the Cossack republics, began to serf, or kill the peasants. Cossacks (Kazakhs, I'm sorry but I don’t know how to translate the keyboard into Asian-Russian type) work westward. They are Warriors. Everything is up to itself. Spit on them power. After the revolution, All Cossack hundreds wound home. And they stupidly waited for who will pay them loot.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 19 February 2013 17: 54
      0
      Quote: Vasya
      Why create a sales structure again.


      Cossacks in the Russian Empire were not a corrupt structure.


      Quote: Vasya
      Read the history of the Cossacks. At least the Civil War.


      Was reading.


      Quote: Vasya
      All Atamans immediately organized the Cossack republics,


      Names in the studio. Ataman Semenov not to offer, since he was with us - the Supreme Ruler of Russia. laughing


      Quote: Vasya
      began to enslave, or kill the peasants. Cossacks (Kazakhs, I'm sorry but I don’t know how to translate the keyboard into Asian-Russian type) work westward.


      You generally, apparently, know little about the Cossacks.


      Quote: Vasya
      After the revolution, All Cossack hundreds wound home. And they stupidly waited for who will pay them loot.


      --- hug and cry crying figs with her with history, but at least one should read the native literature - "Quiet Don", "Dauria" is a classic.
      Well, or at least watch movies.

  • AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 19 February 2013 16: 29
    +4
    I found it by accident, but in the topic of clowns with stripes!
    1. Hon
      Hon 19 February 2013 16: 49
      +2
      Cool photo))) laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 19 February 2013 17: 59
      +3
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      I found it by accident, but in the topic of clowns with stripes!

      Regarding the abundance of awards.
      Many and similar to real ones.
      Where from?

      The casket opens simply.
  • dmb
    dmb 19 February 2013 16: 45
    +4
    About the Cossacks. Kill God, I can't understand why in order to "establish a Cossack way of life" "so that drunk schoolgirls do not roll around in the streets" it is necessary to pull money from the budget to support healthy men. who themselves are not fools to drink. But I understand that if with this money a library would be opened or a club with amateur performances or a sports section, for visiting which children do not need to pay crazy money to their parents. The trouble is that before all of the above, markets and gas stations open, where the Cossack way of life manifests itself in a very peculiar way. About power. Kill God, I can't understand what the authorities wanted by issuing a law on the Cossacks, what a Strategy? Whether they are registered Cossacks or not, there is a public organization, whose activities should be regulated in the same way as any other public organization. The goals of this organization can only be fulfilled by those that are spelled out in its Charter without any obligations to the state. If we add responsibilities to this brave army, then this is no longer a public organization. But then why do we need BB and the police? About the mobilization reserve in general a joke. If the reserve would only be able to chop the enemy with a fake saber and lash him with a whip, then the hell would he be needed, and if, as in the old days, the "partisans" to training camps, then what's the difference whether you dragged the "shablyuka" around the market or grinded a part at the factory.
    1. tomket
      tomket 19 February 2013 18: 08
      +2
      what money are you talking about from the budget ???? I live on the Don, I still haven’t seen that they would send an extra penny from the center to the region, not like the Cossacks on their fake checkers.
      1. dmb
        dmb 19 February 2013 18: 40
        0
        You see, dear. if you don’t get the money, it doesn’t mean that you don’t allocate it at all. The law provides for financing both federal and municipal. There can be no doubt, Boris Abramich Berezovsky would never have entered the Cossacks for nothing.
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 19 February 2013 18: 10
      +1
      dmb hi

      I absolutely agree with you. drinks

      --- I am hastily looking for ninjas in my family tree of ancestors, and suddenly some law will be adopted and I, as the brightest representative of the "ninja" nation, will have some bonuses with gingerbread ---

    3. Jokervx
      Jokervx 19 February 2013 18: 24
      +2
      Support.
  • Black
    Black 19 February 2013 16: 55
    +2
    Quote: Vasya
    Why create a sales structure again. Read the history of the Cossacks. At least the Civil War. All Atamans immediately organized the Cossack republics, began to serf, or kill the peasants. Cossacks (Kazakhs, I'm sorry but I don’t know how to translate the keyboard into Asian-Russian type) work westward. They are Warriors. Everything is up to itself. Spit on them power. After the revolution, All Cossack hundreds wound home. And they stupidly waited for who will pay them loot.


    Rave!!!!!
    This is the Cossacks sale structure ??? Well, did the Cossacks sell you that? Simites on the land of the Cossack did not take root.

    Civil War. It was different. The grassroots Cossacks (rich and prosperous) supported the white movement by 95%. The horse fought for the Reds at 60-70%.
    THIS IS A CIVIL WAR !!! And its Cossacks slurped for tonsils!
    Do you know that more than 100.000 Cossacks ended up abroad?

    This Cossacks do not care about the state? Loot waiting? From whom? Work zapadlo ????
    But did you know that the Cossacks did not stand in contentment and supported themselves. Or did you feed ?????
    According to the law of 1875, the service of the Cossack lasted 20 years, starting from the age of 18: 3 years in preparatory rank, 4 in active service, 8 years in privilege and 5 in reserve. Everyone came to the service with his uniform, equipment, knives and a riding horse. The Cossack village was responsible for the preparation and performance of military service.
    1. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 19 February 2013 17: 54
      -2
      Quote: Chen
      that over 100.000 Cossacks turned out to be abroad

      These are no longer Cossacks! And no one will convince! (That’s the venality found, in terms of the homeland!)

      Quote: Chen
      95% supported white movement

      Quote: Chen
      on 60-70% fought for the Reds
      - and which of these Cossacks, in your opinion, are real? Those who sold themselves to the "red-napped", or sold their homeland to the invaders?
  • Xay
    Xay 19 February 2013 18: 00
    +1
    Please explain what these medals are for. My grandfather shed blood and his grandfathers shed blood.
    And what do they wear medals for?
    1. walter_rus
      walter_rus 19 February 2013 19: 35
      0
      In our country, the Great Patriotic War affected every family. And no one can boast of the merits of their ancestors. And everyone should receive some privileges and bonuses for their PERSONAL merits, and not so - called himself a Cossack - give privileges. Of course, it is impossible to cut everyone under one comb, and the Cossacks living in their native places will live according to their own way of life, this is quite natural. But this is not a reason for hostility or arrogance.
  • Black
    Black 19 February 2013 18: 03
    +2
    Quote: AlNikolaich
    - and which of these Cossacks, in your opinion, are real? Those who sold themselves to the "red-napped", or sold their homeland to the invaders?

    Both those and others are my people. Some became under the red banner, others fought for Faith, Tsar and Fatherland. One of my great-grandfather fought in the First Horse. Another, the Reds were shot in the square in front of the church in their native village. Which one is more Cossack for me?
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 19 February 2013 18: 31
      0
      Quote: Chen
      Both those and others are my people. Some became under the red banner, others fought for Faith, Tsar and Fatherland.



      The painting is called "Disarming the Denikinites" by the artist Grekov.
    2. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 19 February 2013 18: 38
      0
      I'm not talking about those who fell under the red terror. Each Russian family went through white or red millstones. And this is the tragedy of the century and the people.
      Until the abdication of Nicholas II, everyone fought for Faith, Tsar and the Fatherland. And so, the king was gone, Vera and the Fatherland remained. On faith from the side of the red attacks has not yet been (started after the civilian). For the Fatherland? A strange position to fight for the Fatherland against the people! Yes, even with the support of the interventionists!
      You can recall the 1905 year and the Cossacks with whips ...
      And General Renenkapp, with his Cossacks, and their role in the death of General Samsonov’s army!
      IMHO the Cossacks, as part of our people were different. And among them were heroes and traitors! And do not make them all white and fluffy patriots!
  • Jokervx
    Jokervx 19 February 2013 18: 21
    0
    There is a good proverb: "No matter what breed of cat, the main thing is that the cat .............. catching mice. The Cossacks are another topic for endless chatter, luring money from the state. This newly emerging movement is very There is a lot of puffing and narcissism. People are judged by their deeds, but about class or nationality by achievements. A Cossack is not an estate or a nationality, this is a state of mind. Do not confuse with free and sent Cossacks.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 19 February 2013 18: 46
      0
      Quote: JokerVX
      Cossack is not an estate and not a nation, it is a state of mind

      Read a little higher. You quoted me verbatim. What’s the conversation about? Are you ready to change clothes, hang (a saber, pike and carbine on yourself), now AKM and go to serve the Fatherland, without any guarantee that you will survive?
      1. Jokervx
        Jokervx 20 February 2013 01: 28
        0
        When the alarm sounds, I will have no choice. Or me, or they. And not love for the Motherland will be my motive, but the desire to survive for myself and give my loved ones a chance to survive.
  • Haze
    Haze 19 February 2013 18: 47
    +1
    And who can call himself a Cossack !?

    And why did you decide that they owe the people .........Jokervxwhat state of mind?

    Many of you loot this topic, few have read the story, and even fewer have talked with the Cossacks, with those who caught the echoes of the Civil, who went through the famine, with those who fought in the Great Patriotic War !!! SORRY!!!!
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 19 February 2013 18: 55
      +2
      Quote: Haze
      what state of mind?

      Now it is forgotten, but in general it is called PATRIOTISM.
      Quote: Haze
      who went through the famine

      This is for blocking, there you will find like-minded people.
    2. Jokervx
      Jokervx 20 February 2013 01: 55
      0
      1. If they (Cossacks) are part of the people, they should. In a single nation, everyone is connected, each has its own role, are bound by voluntary commitments, each is responsible for his obligations assuming responsibility.
  • honest jew
    honest jew 19 February 2013 19: 01
    +4
    Forward friends, forward time has come
    Exodus Eve Celebrates People
    Jewish Cossacks revolted
    There was a coup in Birabidjan
    Jewish Cossacks revolted
    There was a coup in Birabidjan
    We got together in a Cossack circle secretly
    Observing the laws of all the great unrest
    We covered Yermolka with our hats
    And the tolmud was locked to the saddles
    We covered Yermolka with our hats
    And the tolmud was locked to the saddles
    No one went to the position of chieftain
    After all, the chieftain will be the first to jump into battle
    Then they elected Leo Pleasantman
    He took money for this my god
    And we chose Kat as Yesaul
    For firmness of spirit and huge nose
    He didn’t let us blow our nose into the banner
    And answer a question with a question
    He didn’t let us blow our nose into the banner
    And answer a question with a question
    That battle struck, but what can we do
    There are enemies all around, and suddenly they are stronger
    We deployed our ranks boldly
    And fighting spurred horses
    We deployed our ranks boldly
    And fighting spurred horses
    We raced to the rear, like a black whirlwind in a field
    Deciding that death is not to any Cossack
    How developed our paisley famously
    Weaving horseback mane
    How developed our paisley famously
    Weaving horseback mane
    Our chieftain caught us at the mare
    I beg you to return to battle
    And the horses were in dandruff and soap
    And the Cossacks did not hear the order
    And the horses were in dandruff and soap
    And the Cossacks did not hear the order
    Then Katz came out, the Cossacks brothers were shelled
    I will represent who will go to battle to the orders
    And the one who paid off the attack
    That will deliver shells to us
    And the one who paid off the attack
    That will deliver shells to us
    We did not give up on these persuasions
    There is a machine gun, and who is our hero
    Our Rabinovich hid in the infirmary
    Saying injured right in the hemorrhoids
    Our Rabinovich hid in the infirmary
    Saying injured right in the hemorrhoids
    An avalanche has come upon us enemies
    Rows of bayonets, fire lead barrage
    We defended our rabbi
    He boldly sold us ammo
    We defended our rabbi
    He boldly sold us ammo
    But the enemy is strong and we were defeated
    Just having time to sell the convoy
    We signed up for anti-Semites
    So our Jewish question was resolved
    We signed up for anti-Semites
    So our Jewish question was resolved.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 19 February 2013 19: 17
      +1
      Quote: Honest Jew
      Go friends, go ahead the time has come ...

      And what did you want to say? Just take and fool one of the tragic pages in the history of the Russian State? You don’t even bother, in a couple of three decades, the Cossacks will go through Berlin, and through Paris, and through Jerusalem. The Russian language and your grandchildren (God grant them health) will be remembered.
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 19 February 2013 20: 23
      0
      Quote: Honest Jew
      We covered Yermolka with our hats
      And the tolmud was locked to the saddles

      Thank you have fun. I respect Jewish humor.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 19 February 2013 19: 25
    +1
    Quote: Viking
    And what is the "special economic order"? And even more so everyday? How will the state regulate it?

    I will try to clarify.
    Primitively, of course, a couple of phrases.
    On the outskirts of the Russian state (where in the old days, history repeats itself), military-administrative territories are organized - the regions of the Cossack troops. A Cossack is a resident of these regions who carries out military service in a special order. In a military unit, say, 2 years and in the reserve 15 years. Regularly passing military training sessions and arriving at his unit at the "first whistle". If so many people serve, they will stay there. His family will also live there.
    Benefits and privileges for service to the Cossacks. To exempt from taxes, for example, as in the old days. The land on the territory of the Cossack troops can only be used by the Cossacks, and not by birth, but by "active"
    The purpose of the creation is to prevent the spread of national extremism on the territory of our country.
    So, briefly.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 19 February 2013 19: 50
      +2
      The list of units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation bearing Cossack names and Troops assigned by the "chiefs" of the units:

      Amur Cossack Society - Separate Mobile Amur Cossack Brigade of Priktyrty;
      Astrakhan Cossack Society - Radio Engineering Cossack Astrakhan Battalion; (The troops, as I understand it, no, since they are in the Vodolatsky VVD) The Astrakhan Cossack society patronizes the tank soldiers of the 205th separate motorized rifle Cossack division. In September 2000, the chieftain of a separate Astrakhan district Cossack society A. Polezhaev handed over to the tankers eternal storage a military relic - the banner of the Cossack army.
      Volga Cossack Army - Guards Motorized Rifle Volga Cossack Regiment;
      The Great Don Army - Motorized Rifle Don Cossack Regiment; Separate Cossack special forces unit; Don Cossack anti-aircraft missile regiment; Radio Engineering Don Cossack Regiment; Separate Airborne Cossack Brigade;
      Yenisei Cossack Army - Separate Guards Parachute Regiment; Guard Rocket Brigade;
      Trans-Baikal Cossack Army - Guards Motorized Rifle Trans-Baikal Cossack Regiment; Radio Engineering Transbaikal Cossack Regiment; Radio engineering Cossack battalion;
      Irkutsk Cossack Army - Motorized Rifle Irkutsk Cossack Regiment;
      Kuban Cossack army - Separate motorized rifle Kuban Cossack brigade; Zentino-missile Kuban Cossack Regiment; Guards Parachute Airborne Kuban Cossack Regiment;
      Orenburg Cossack Army - Guards Orenburg Motorized Rifle Cossack Regiment; Separate airborne Orenburg Cossack brigade;
      Siberian Cossack army - Separate radar Siberian Cossack company;
      Terek Cossack army - Separate motorized rifle Stavropol Cossack brigade; Guards Motorized Rifle Tersky Cossack Regiment; Radio Engineering Terek Cossack Battalion;
      Ural Cossack Society - Guards Motorized Rifle Ural Cossack Regiment; Radio Engineering Ural Cossack Battalion;
      Ussuri Cossack Army - Ussuri Cossack Regiment of the Marine Corps;
      Separate Cossack cavalry regiment (consolidated, created in 1998).
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 19 February 2013 20: 25
        +2
        There are no regiments. request And the division rested in Bose.
        Taburetkin and his comrades tried ...
        And the Cossack should be more likely a border detachment, intelligence. brigade, not a radio battalion.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 19 February 2013 20: 44
          0
          AlekseevThank you for the clarification! Yes, the info is old, but I wanted to find out what is happening with this (generally a good idea) at the moment. I’ll add from myself: I saw a report on local TV about the 23rd Separate, Guards, Vasilkovskaya, Order of Lenin, twice the Red Banner, named after Suvorov, Kutuzov and Bogdan Khmelnitsky, Petrukavskaya, named after the Volga Cossacks Motorized Rifle Brigade. She lives in the village of Kryazh. They said that the Cossacks serve in the regiment.
          1. Hon
            Hon 20 February 2013 09: 08
            +1
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            23rd Separate, Guards, Vasilkovskaya, Order of Lenin, twice the Red Banner, named after Suvorov, Kutuzov and Bogdan Khmelnytsky, Petrukavskaya, named after the Volga Cossacks Motorized Rifle Brigade

            Again, it is equipped with ordinary conscripts and contract soldiers, remove the Cossack from the name and nothing will change.
      2. Hon
        Hon 20 February 2013 08: 54
        0
        Thunderbolt,
        The above military units and subunits, this is an example of the names preserved from the Second World War, they are still equipped with regular conscripts.

        But there are interesting examples.

        Regulation on financing and membership fees AKV (Amur Register Cossacks)

        1. A separate mobile Amur Cossack cover brigade is funded and maintained by the MORF budget.
        2. The source of financing the activities of AKV is:
        a) means of entrance and membership fees;
        b) funds generated from sponsorship;
        c) funds from the receipt of self-supporting enterprises and organizations formed by the Amur Cossack Army;
        d) voluntary donations of AKV members and other legal entities and individuals;
        e) wills and contributions of individuals, institutions, enterprises of the Khabarovsk Territory, the Amur and Jewish Autonomous Regions, also of the Russian Federation and from abroad;
        3. The amount of individual contributions is:
        a) introductory - 100 rubles;
        b) monthly membership - 50 rubles;
        4. Funds are used to carry out statutory tasks, to carry out activities provided for by the plans of the ACB, to meet organizational and economic needs, and to maintain staff.
        5. The right of operational management of AKV assets and property to use its statutory tasks and decisions is determined by the AKV Big Circle.
        6. The military village treasurer, together with the chief ataman and the chief accountant of the AKV service, carries out and coordinates financial and economic activities, reports to the board, the council of chieftains, the Big Circle and the Stanitsky Circle of AKV, guided by the Regulation on the financial and economic activities of AKV and the laws of the Russian Federation.
        7. The regional and regional headquarters of the Cossack departments submit for consideration by the AKV Board the approval of the annual budget with their subsequent submission to the government of the territory and regions for approval.
        8. Funds in farms, village, departments and in the Board of AKV are used for business trips, office equipment, advertising, rental of premises, transport, communications, payment of utilities, for the implementation of programs and plans, maintenance and support of the activities of Cossack officials, charity assistance to Cossacks, low-income, military servicemen, students, students of educational institutions, strengthening the material and technical base of Cossack organizations, the development of newly formed Cossack enterprises and farms, publishing.
        1. Hon
          Hon 20 February 2013 08: 56
          0
          9. The collected funds are distributed as follows:
          a) a farm (consisting of up to 50 people) 25% deducts from the total number of all collected funds to the village account, 75% remains to ensure the charter activities of the farm;
          b) the village (consisting of up to 100 or more people) 25% deducts from the total number of all funds to the account of the department (region, region) 75% remains on the village’s account to ensure the statutory activities;
          c) the city Cossack department (district) 25% deducts from the total amount of all funds to the account of the department (region, region) 75% remains on the account of the city department (district) to ensure statutory activity;
          d) the regional, regional Cossack department deducts 25% of the total number of all funds to the AKV account, 75% remains in the accounts of the departments to ensure statutory activity.
          10. Responsibility for accounting of funds and property are:
          a) for accounting for savings, timely execution of financial documents and financial control over the expenditure of financial resources in Cossack companies - the chief accountant;
          b) for accounting, technical condition, conditions and quality of storage, organization of operation and repair of technical equipment, buildings and property in Cossack societies - ataman deputies of all levels and in the direction of their duties.
          Direct management and general control are exercised and responsible by the chieftains and chief accountants of all levels, the military treasurer, clerk and other officials, together with the chief accountant are responsible for their use in accordance with this Regulation, the Regulation on accounting and the legislation of the Russian Federation.
          11. Institutions and organizations formed by the ACB are obliged to keep operational and accounting records, provide statistical reporting, register with the state tax inspectorate and deduct mandatory payments to the budget (district, territory, oblast) in the manner and amount stipulated by the legislation of the Republic of Belarus.

          What is the attitude to the troops? !!! They just don’t understand from which side they receive funding from the Moscow Region, have they drank another budget, or have they just attributed it to the show-off?
    2. Viking
      Viking 19 February 2013 21: 01
      +1
      Quote: Alekseev
      In a military unit, say, 2 years and in the reserve 15 years. Regularly passing military training sessions and arriving at his unit at the "first whistle". If so many people serve, they will stay there. His family will also live there.
      Benefits and privileges for service to the Cossacks. To exempt from taxes, for example, as in the old days. The land on the territory of the Cossack troops can only be used by the Cossacks, and not by birth, but by "active"

      I have already described the structure of the US National Guard above. Roughly the same thing - they are serving, regular training, if necessary, without words, are subject to mobilization, they have benefits. Those. this is the US Army reserve. Without any superficial "historical, original, national-cultural" and other rattles. It is a utilitarian system created for specific tasks. Precisely what is modern. Any citizen who fits certain parameters (physical, educational) can join it without reference to any historical roots, etc. The 21st century is still in the yard.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 19 February 2013 22: 33
        0
        In 2005, it was reported that members and reservists of the National Guard account for the largest share of front-line armed forces in US military history (about 43% in Iraq and 55% in Afghanistan)
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 20 February 2013 11: 25
        0
        You correctly notice everything.
        But did not pay attention to goals recreation of the Cossacks.
        The US National Guard is not at all a border "buffer".
        And Russia in its national administrative structure is very different from America.
  • George
    George 19 February 2013 19: 27
    +5
    Hello all.
    I think this: All Cossack units, without exception, must serve in the hottest and most unstable regions of our country (which they did before), which by itself will weed out all the "mummers" and discourage them from freebies. Serve 25 years.
    And then a former classmate drives up to me and offers to join the Cossacks, land, benefits, etc. , and most importantly do not have to do nichrome. I listened to him and everything calmed down. Maybe he felt my condition, but cut him off right away. And I remembered that my grandfather told me about my great-grandfathers (one participated in the "Iron Stream", the other, when he returned, received ramrods from the Cossacks ((they beat, but they said: "The axis is tobi will, the axis is tobi freedom, the axis of the Soviet power ", and beat it.)).
    Who rushes to defend the country as at a banquet table, he is a Cossack.
    He who is strong in spirit and merciless to enemies is a Cossack.
    He who is devoted to the cause of war and his homeland is a Cossack.
    KAZAK is a state of mind and a way of life.
    Everything else is tinsel, and in the event of a serious mess it will become clear who is the Cossack (Remember Nevzorov's Purgatory, as a GRU special forces soldier Cobra said - “Well done guy. I thought he’d drift. FROM THE COSSACKS !!!), and who’s just a dung.
  • Skuto
    Skuto 19 February 2013 19: 46
    +2
    civil war and collectivization - the Cossacks were mortally wounded, and during the war they were completely killed. But in my opinion (and the opinion of some historians) Cossacks are not an ethnic group, they are rather a way of life and a position in life. It is always possible to restore these things, but not by these "mummers".
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 19 February 2013 20: 05
      0
      Absolutely accurate definition! good
  • RAMBO
    RAMBO 19 February 2013 19: 49
    -1
    !!!!!!!!!!!!
  • serge
    serge 19 February 2013 20: 52
    +3
    The Cossacks are not the support of the people, but the form of their self-organization. The Cossacks are the historical structure of the self-organization of the Russian people where the state does not protect it and there is an external or internal enemy. At present, Cossacks are practically the only form of self-organization of the Russian people, and with all its randomness and decentralization, it is an extremely important structure. It’s nothing that the Cossacks are now mummers. This is a form of military self-organization, and when the Cossacks receive weapons not only during their military service, but they will certainly receive them, they will not cause laughter to anyone.
    1. rubber_duck
      rubber_duck 19 February 2013 23: 52
      +1
      Quote: serge
      Cossacks will receive weapons not only during their military service, but they will certainly receive them


      Emotionally, of course, but one concrete question arises: on what basis, in fact? Why such a fright? Why Cossacks? And who exactly are they? How, for example, does a Cossack differ from me at least? No, no, I have nothing against the Cossacks as a kind of irregular troops. But somehow I see it this way: the Law on the Cossacks has been adopted; Registered Cossacks were transferred to the subordination of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Now they have six hours of service on weekdays (study and participation in events) and six hours of work on the ground or in production. Plus daily shifts on a rolling schedule. But they are paid less than contractors in the BB. Why? Well, after all, the state has allocated them land plots, they do not pay taxes, carrying weapons is allowed, medicine is free. Sovereign people what you want. Only for some reason I get the feeling that in such a situation, the "Cossack" youth will not rush, demolishing fences, into the ranks of the registered (now no fools!) Cossacks.

      PS Now about minorities. Personally, I have developed a rather interesting opinion: if a minority (it doesn’t matter, national, religious, sexual, etc.) starts screaming loudly about their rights, this means only one thing: this minority requires EXCLUSIVE rights for itself. Why? Yes, because its representatives already have common rights under the law!
  • mox
    mox 19 February 2013 21: 35
    -2
    Question: The modern Cossacks of Russia: “a burdened hundred” or a support for the people?
    Answer: The modern Cossacks are a burdened hundred, without any quotes.
  • varyag
    varyag 19 February 2013 21: 41
    +1
    I believe in the Cossacks, this freedom-loving spirit is indestructible, no matter how much the Sverdlovs and Khrushchev try to destroy! And the city is beautiful, Novocherkassk - the capital of the Don Cossacks, my homeland, I love with all my heart!

    Novocherkassk

    The hill is the abode of a privet tribe,
    Like a sentinel in an ancient ridge
    Rebellious exalted captive
    Among the spring boundless water.

    Between two rivers that have been forever given to you
    These slopes are steep to embrace.
    Here are Sarmatian wise idols
    They guard the pristine expanse.

    Here is the Don hot hole
    The stallions themselves carry legs.
    The hill is the foundation of the Cossack city,
    How Tuzlov is not separated from Ak Su.

    And with a calculated Scythian endurance,
    Not trying to hope,
    Do not accept the fate of the city of Kitezh
    From heaven your domes.

    And may we be constantly on the move
    And the road is far away.
    Holds your pull tight
    Like the steel armor of Ermak!
  • Klim
    Klim 19 February 2013 22: 29
    +4
    I myself have all the ancestors of Cossack origin, but I want to say one thing, everything just ... was it the last time in 1991. There was a chance to organize themselves, but personal interests took their toll, at least in Uralsk. Well, then the Kazakh security officers helped, the president a little money and real estate to the leadership of the Cossacks society threw them all and ruined, there was a chorus and a little bit of amateur performance. the state does not agree to give out weapons, to give land and monopoly crafts. But of course I would like to see it.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 19 February 2013 22: 52
      0
      Are you really Klim? My name is Klim too! Mom called Klim and in the passport Klim naturally
    2. undispudet
      undispudet 22 February 2013 00: 00
      0
      Klim,

      Forgive me, but from what fright should someone give you something? That is, it is not clear who in the form knows what, has the right to receive weapons, land and production for what? for the fact that such a form is beautiful ?.

      And what to do with those who are not part of the Cossacks ?, or with Muslims? them weapons, land, and so on is not supposed?

      Well, where does all this nonsense come from, what self-determination ?. There is one self-determination. Be a citizen of your country and do as I do.
      If you want a weapon, give it to everyone. Want money? Go get a job to get started.
      And at least call yourself Shaolin monks.
  • suharev-52
    suharev-52 19 February 2013 23: 24
    +1
    Seeing how all kinds of groups, squads, squads, gangs, all kinds of newcomers are organized on our Russian soil, are organized. How they crush under themselves gradually: house, street, town, town, using the principle of the horde. And the local Russian population, alone or destroyed, or breaks down. I’m ready to join any group, detachment, public organization or gang (it doesn’t matter to me what it is called) if only it unites, consolidates all the Russians in a single fist, which would make it possible to resist the oppression. So all the shallow discussions about the Cossacks on the site, it's all empty, men. At the moment, only the Cossacks MAY unite the Russians into communities that can resist the dominance of blacks and Asians. Only Cossacks are the force that can save the foundation of the Russian nation: faith, conscience, honor. courage, fidelity. That is, everything that has been breaking so hard in us for the past 25 years. Sincerely.
    1. Borisych
      Borisych 19 February 2013 23: 59
      0
      I agree with the definitions that the current Cossacks are a form of self-organization of the Russian people. Self-organization is really sorely lacking for us. I must honestly admit that the ruling elites at all times (the Russian Empire, the USSR, and present-day Russia) uprooted любые sprouts of self-organization in almost all areas of life, and this is one of our main troubles.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 20 February 2013 00: 54
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        I want to instill youth in this, but even here, in the clients, they are putting everyone on the stake, the same Russians, for some reason they think that we are demanding ghosts here, and we just want to be designated, and our youth are. And then read the comments. Yes, fail you all. You’ll lie on the stove (I’m the breed of commentators) who are even with the fical) so that they bring everything and preferably hot ..
  • GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 20 February 2013 00: 36
    +2
    Modern Russian Cossacks: “a hundred weights” or support for the people

    Cossacks of all Cossack troops who are engaged in real business and there are a lot of such (if you can easily see Google), they are not interested in SMRAD with their successes and achievements. Is it really interesting for them to show the graduation of the cadets of the Cossack cadet corps or the summer military-sports Cossack children's camp, fees.
    But to show "mummers" clowns is always and at once and on all channels.
    I liked the answer of the representative of the registered North-Western Cossack District to the question of the journalist.
    Journalist: - In St. Petersburg, there were events involving people dressed in Cossack uniforms, how do you deal with this?
    Cossack: - We don’t have time to catch Peter all the crazy dressed in Cossack uniforms, for this there is the police.
    1. undispudet
      undispudet 21 February 2013 23: 53
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      GOLUBENKO,
      Listen, but you can’t deal with this business in the form of a policeman or a military soldier ?.
      You invent this nonsense to yourself, because my answer to the above question is one .. you can. And you don’t need to dress in a clown and don’t need to create incomprehensible organizations with obscure persons ..

      Regarding your cadet issues, as for me it already attracts to gangs of grouping, or at least a sect. This cannot be called any other type at least because of the Constitution.
      And if possible, then read my Absurdity below, then create the Jedi and Samurai.
      There is no limit to idiocy.
  • Magadan
    Magadan 20 February 2013 03: 58
    0
    It's time to punish the costumed clowns! Why is there still no law to-ry prohibits wearing other people's orders and medals !? For me, this is generally blasphemy. And in an amicable way, such "Cossacks" should be cured well, better with a whip as in the good old days.
    For me, the Cossacks have a huge potential in putting things in order and defending the Truth. The point is that nowadays it is not necessary to resort to the most "legal" actions, so that individuals understand how to do it. For example, somewhere and the face should be stuffed and drug dealers should be taught a lesson, etc. Here are the Cossacks - the best tool for this. Only on condition that they all adhere to Orthodox morality, as it was customary.
  • Octavian avgust
    Octavian avgust 20 February 2013 22: 26
    0
    Cossacks are an estate! They must be somewhat militarized and be moral authority for society. Have 4-5 children, do not drink or smoke, work honestly and help those in need (alcoholics, drug addicts, difficult children and lazy parasites); Be large and friendly community. Well, or an organization of the neo-Jordanian type, to promote their interests for the good of the state.
  • undispudet
    undispudet 21 February 2013 23: 31
    0
    Octavian avgust,

    I persistently protest !!!
    Why are the Cossacks recognized by the state (although it is not clear at all by whom? And what the hell)
    and others can not what?. So the thing will not work.
    I DEMAND to officially recognize the status of SAMURAI, and urge them to ensure law and order and defense. Well, since we can’t do without Cossacks, then we have no future without samurai !!.
    In addition, I demand the founding of the Jedi Order !!!!, and you can even combine it with the samurai and issue a laser katana.
    Already with the Jedosamurai the enemy will not pass; you will see, only this is the solution to our problems !!.


    P.S. who's for ?, let's sign the petition for Putin and create the Moscow Jedi Order and the Samurai clan !!. It’s not good to stay away.

    Well, to those fools who are wondering what the hell all this shushera is for and isn’t it easier to go to the Army or the police to give the debt to the motherland, I will answer. No !!! there sabers will not give and you do not understand a damn thing !!.
  • sergeybulkin
    sergeybulkin 24 February 2013 15: 14
    +1
    Right before our eyes, another "ELITE" is being formed, now fighters for the people's cause, tomorrow they will demand privileges and privileges for themselves, free travel, exemption from taxes, special status, immunity, but you never know people can wish for free if he is from the "elite ". laughing lol good
  • Bamse
    Bamse 31 July 2013 13: 42
    0
    Few people know that in 1991 only the Rostov region and the Stavropol Territory fulfilled the plan for conscription into the army. Here someone wrote that there are no Cossacks now. In Transnistria, 1500 Cossacks of different Troops were awarded the cross "For the Defense of Transnistria", more than 70 posthumously.
    Abkhazia: "The Chechens respect the Cossacks, for the Cossacks remain in positions even when the Chechens withdraw."
    "Volunteer Cossacks fought in Bosnia, took part in the defense of North Ossetia from the Ingush, and South Ossetia from the Georgians."
    Chechnya: "... only one 694th Cossack battalion named after Yermolov was formed. Its short history is a mixture of the highest heroism and the most despicable betrayal. After all, it's one thing to arm all Tertsy and Kuban people, and another to have a single battalion. Throw the seed for greater hatred. It was created as a contractual part, it was meant for the defense of the villages, to cover the Terek left bank. But they threw it into the very heat, in the Zavodskoy district of Grozny, where the battalion immediately fell into an ambush. It suffered damage, but fought bravely and still won the battle.
    ... the battalion took Orekhovo. And on TV it was announced that the village was taken by the Ministry of Internal Affairs without losses, in fact we lost 20 people killed and 45 wounded ... After that we were transferred to Shali, to this hornet’s nest, where there are large gangs, a large number of our prisoners, and we receive an order not to use fire, not to stop passing cars, although Maskhadov and field commanders are passing through the existing roadblocks ... When we acted in the Zavodskoy district and when we answered the fire from the oil plant massive fire, howled adm information. As it turned out later, the shareholders of this plant are Gaidar, Shumeyko and one of the leaders of the Chechen gang.
    800 Cossacks won where the cadres could not cope. They fought for Samashki, Stary Achkhoi, Bamut. Dozens of Cossacks gave their lives, 140 were injured. The villagers prayed to the battalion. The old women asked: "Cossacks, just don't go!" "... the Chechens promised to wash their hands with our blood ..." And they could not help but leave, they were thrown here and there again. Soon the Yermolovites were withdrawn from Chechnya and disbanded. Without explanation. And the chieftain Shevtsov was removed.
    And at the same time, the media purposefully groaned and spat on the Cossacks!

    After the separation of Kazakhstan, the border with it became a "hole" through which drugs poured, gangs of robbers who stole everything, even sawing high-voltage towers for scrap. It was impossible to cover the entire steppe with border guards. In 1997, the Cossacks were attracted, 1780 people. They were provided only with civilian weapons for self-defense, they paid 500 rubles per person per year. But during the 5 months of the experiment, 230 violators were detained, contrabands worth 2 billion rubles, 500 kg of drugs were seized, and the theft of large quantities of cattle was prevented. Commissioner for the Cossacks IV Chentsov reports: "The Cossacks stood across this robbery to such an extent that Nazarbayev, when meeting with Yeltsin, raises the question of taking the Cossacks away from border guards ... The experiment ended, they reported, asked for money for the next one, they say:" Enough already. Let them steal, if only the relationship did not spoil. "