What if we still “suffer”?

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What if we still “suffer”?

Much has already been written about what the last day of this world will be like. It is clear that if all countries with nuclear weapons, they decide to use it, then there will be no peace. Some will end sooner, others in Africa will suffer a little longer under nuclear winter conditions.

However, now we will talk about that moment, a very short time, when the rockets have already launched, and civilization is still alive. That is, about possible resistance and attempts to survive by any means.



If you leave all these bunkers with food and water supplies, filters and other life support systems, all these are ways to prolong the agony and nothing more, so now we will talk about attempts to destroy the missiles that will fly from the enemy.

In general, a lot has been written about how many missiles one side or another can launch. But how many will the States really be able to shoot down when it comes to day “X” and hour “H”?


If we take the quantitative composition of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces, we get this picture:
- land mine and mobile complexes are armed with 342 launch vehicles (missiles);
- submarines have 176 carriers;
- strategic aviation – 77 carriers (according to international agreements, an aircraft is considered as one carrier, and cruise missiles are considered as warheads).

A certain number of launch vehicles (especially boats and aircraft) may be under repair, so let's take the numbers of 595 launch vehicles and 2 warheads/cruise missiles and assume that a fifth of them did not launch for some reason. Breakdowns, scheduled repairs, upgrades, technical failures and the like. There will be somewhere around 776-450 carriers with 500 charges.

So how about we reflect this?


Let's start in order, in the sequence in which the rockets fly. They choked.


The first stage is takeoff. In this area, all missiles and aircraft are very vulnerable, but since the takeoff takes place quite far from American soil, everything is fine here. A missile flying out of the water can still be neutralized by a nearby ship, but this situation in itself is already quite fantastic.

So the ICBMs will calmly overcome the boost phase and go into space, from where they will begin their inexorable flight to American soil.

And this is where the first American anti-missile system comes into play: Ground-based Midcourse Defense (GMD).


This is the latest strategic missile defense system, commissioned in 2005. GMD is designed to intercept intercontinental ballistic missiles and their warheads in space beyond the Earth's atmosphere.

A three-stage rocket, almost 17 meters long and weighing 13 tons, puts into orbit a kinetic transatmospheric interceptor, which, accelerating to 10 km/sec on a collision course, crashes into a warhead, which flies at no less speed and thereby destroys it.

One missile, one interceptor, one warhead. Tests carried out in the USA showed that the effectiveness of this anti-missile system is about 50%.

Now for the funny stuff. There are currently 44 such interceptor missiles deployed in the United States. 40 in Alaska and 4 in California. They plan to build another two dozen, and in the future increase this number to a hundred, but you can start giggling here.

Next, we begin re-entry into the atmosphere, which means the Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) complex comes into action.


The United States now has as many as three THAAD batteries, each of three launchers with a total of 24 interceptor missiles. That is, 72 interceptor missiles in one salvo. The complex is already 20 years old, but everything is going smoothly with it too. There is definitely one complete round of ammunition in stock and a stock of the second is being slowly created. But will it be possible to recharge the batteries – that’s the question.

The “Ted” interceptor (that’s what they call it) is also kinetic, and during testing it showed itself to be very good; out of 14 launches, 11 were successful, the target missiles were intercepted, and 3 launches failed due to problems with the targets. But, it is worth noting that the launches were on targets that imitated Soviet R-17s (which are Scud according to NATO classification), that is, in fact, the day before yesterday of rocket technology.

The effectiveness of THAAD against modern missiles, which can not only jam radars and maneuver, is difficult to assess. It is one thing to destroy a Houthi medium-range ballistic missile used to attack an Emirati oil facility near the al-Dhafra airbase, and another thing to try to work on the Mace or Voevode. There is a difference, and it is critical.

In general, the presence of three batteries for 72 launchers looks about as impressive as 44 interceptors in mines in Alaska and California. Look above at the number of targets and we understand that this is 1/10 of Russian capabilities. That is, all long-range interceptors, in the most ideal case, will hit 10% of Russian carriers. Will the remaining 90% be enough to create a radioactive inferno in America's place? More than.

And now the rockets are already approaching the atmosphere, entering it and the last act of our performance begins. As they say, at close range.

At close range we have the MIM-104 “Patriot”, its modification PAC-3.


A very strong modification, it must be admitted that the PAC-3 also aimed at the sacred - that is, at ballistic missiles. They tried to shoot down Iranian works with “Patriots” back in the last century, but the Americans themselves came to the conclusion that the damaging effect of the high-explosive fragmentation warhead of the complex was not enough to disable the missile.

Thus, the third kinetic interceptor appeared in PAC-3 - the ERINT anti-missile missile.


Thus, the idea of ​​a kinetic interceptor, that is, a crowbar launched at high speed towards a missile or warhead, won in the minds of the American military. Of course, this is controversial because it requires precision aiming, satellite guidance, and so on. In order for an anti-missile to hit the target so accurately, truly ultra-precise calculations are needed, because this is reminiscent of trying to hit a flying projectile with a pistol bullet.

ERINT is the same scrap as the previous two, but with nuances. In general, this is a rocket more than 4,8 m long, 254 mm in diameter and weighing 316 kg. Single-stage, with solid fuel engine. Guidance is carried out by an active radar seeker, a homing head, with the help of which the missile independently searches for a target and reaches the point of collision with it. The firing range reaches 20 km. The interception altitude is 15 km.

True, apparently realizing that everything is not so simple, the ERINT kinetic interceptor was taken and equipped with an additional warhead. And each missile carries a so-called Lethality Enhancer: a small expulsion charge and 24 heavy tungsten submunitions. When a missile misses a target, the explosive explodes and the elements must fly apart in a transverse plane, increasing the affected area.

The United States has 480 PAC-3 Patriot launchers, this is a very decent figure, and if you consider that 104 ERINT missiles can be placed in one launch cell for the MIM-4, it turns out that if you load all the launchers with anti-missiles, the figure is quite: 7800 rockets.

But here’s the question: is there that much? Of course not. You can release it, but is it worth it? Let's see: the range of the PAC-3 is 20 km. This is for a ballistic non-maneuvering target. In the final part of the trajectory, the warhead in any case flies at hypersonic speed, that is, 4-5M. That is, 1,5 km/s. Considering that warheads fly through the atmosphere in 5 minutes, there is practically no room for error.

But there is such a thing as a “difficult ballistic situation.” This is when the warheads do not just fly at their targets, deployed and directed by the deployment stage, but fly in the company of dipole reflectors, electronic warfare units, decoy balloons, fragments of fairings and parts of the deployment stage... In general, all this splendor is called “multiple ballistic targets in complicated ballistic environment."

That is, a huge hemorrhoid for ballistic computers, calculating the optimal meeting point of the anti-missile and the obscurantism rushing from space. And this is really difficult, because for 6-10 warheads there will be fifty or even more flying nearby, I don’t understand what, which on the screens will look the same as a warhead. And even 7 thousand anti-missile missiles are not very impressive, because we will be talking about identifying out of 10 targets those 000 that need to be actually destroyed. And there’s not much time for everything.

And everyone already understands that “Patriot” is not a panacea. It’s not for nothing that there are not “Patriots” standing around the White House, but NASAMS. Oh, not for nothing...

But I want to live...


And so in May, the Missile Defense Agency announced that Lockheed-Martin (in partnership with Rocketdyne/L3Harris) had been selected over arch-rival Northrop-Grumman to lead a $17,7 billion second-generation nuclear missile program. , called Next Generation Interceptor (NGI). The first of 20 NGIs the Pentagon plans to purchase could be delivered by 2027.

The fact that in the United States they understand that everything is not as it should is only confirmed by the fact that reviews of the competitors’ projects were considered in an emergency mode and the decision was made a year earlier than planned.

Compared to the current stockpile of 44 ground-based silo interceptors (GBIs) deployed in Alaska, future NGI missiles should exhibit a much lower failure rate and lower cost. They should also be better able to recognize decoys and target missiles that are maneuvering.

But above all, Pentagon documents confirm that each NGI interceptor will carry multiple EKVs instead of just one. This could not only increase the speed of intercepting conventional missile targets, but also allow NGI interceptors to combat enemy multiple warhead (MIRV) missiles. In theory.

In practice, how NGI will cope with the warheads of the very popular SS-19 Stiletto in the USA (this is our UR-100N UTTH or RS-18 under the START Treaty), of which there are six and also a package of means for overcoming missile defense, is a question. Especially if you delve into what this package is.

Northrop-Grumman's loss of the NGI contract was completely surprising, given that the company has a larger presence in the space sector than Lockheed. And even more so after Northrop-Grumman acquired rocket manufacturer Orbital ATK in 2018, which builds launch vehicles for the current GBI interceptors (the division is now renamed Space Systems). Northrop-Grumman also has a major contract to build America's next-generation LGM-35A Sentinel intercontinental-range ballistic missile, also known as Ground-Based Strategic Deterrent, or GBSD.

But they say that it was the Sentinel program that did not work in the company’s favor. Everything is as usual there: slight shifts to the right and slight excesses of expenses. And Lockheed-Martin, which, although not a space company, has extensive experience in the field of ballistic missile interceptors and air defense (THAAD, Patriot PAC-3 and AEGIS combat system) and probably played a role. Well, maybe someone offered a lower price. And this is now very critical.

Can the new NGI missile protect the US from nuclear attack? Well, it can give some part of the population some confidence that it can. And this is also important. It is impossible to solve the problem of a nuclear strike on the country's territory by increasing the number of interceptors from 44 to 64 at the expense of two dozen NGIs, which are planned to be purchased in the foreseeable future.

The Pentagon initially planned an interim GBI upgrade called the Block 3 Redesigned Kill Vehicle (RKV), which was estimated to cost $5,8 billion. But the program was canceled in 2019, along with the dependent Multi-Object Kill Vehicle program, designed to combat MIRVs and decoys. Saving is sometimes a good thing.

But having saved $5,8 billion, almost immediately the Americans came up with the NGI plan, which included a completely new interceptor missile that would not, in theory, inherit the shortcomings of the GBI design. It is estimated that the delivery of 21 new missiles in 2027-2028 will cost $17,7 billion. It’s difficult to talk about savings here.

But it’s even more interesting if you take and use a calculator. In general, we know that all types of weapons in the United States tend to rise in price, and the closer to the end of the contract, the more so. In our particular case, it turns out that one missile with an NGI interceptor will cost almost a billion! Billion dollars!

Of course, if these billions save, say, Washington from a nuclear strike... In fact, no, they won’t. Even if the entire batch of 21 interceptors is stationed near the American capital, we will simply send 30 missiles.

The mystery of strategic missile defense: too little to repel anything serious, too much money. But it’s worth lifting the veil of not just secrets, but...

The GMD's planned future force of 64 interceptor missiles remains focused on defending against a small-scale ICBM attack from North Korea or Iran should the latter ever deploy a nuclear-tipped ICBM-class missile. These countries are not expected to be able to build enough ICBMs to defeat the GMD.

The small size of US interceptor missiles was intended to reassure Russia and China (possessing thousands and hundreds of nuclear warheads, respectively) that GMD was not intended to tip the balance provided by other countries' much larger nuclear arsenals.

However, neither China nor Russia have ever gotten around to it. In general, it is logical, because where there are 64 interceptors, there are 164. And 1640. Therefore, it is not surprising that new ballistic missiles, hypersonic gliding aircraft, strategic nuclear unmanned torpedoes and exotic cruise missiles. Which will also be able to carry nuclear warheads. And even if they can’t, who, in the confusion of the last day, will carefully look at what and how much is flying there?

This is the so-called “balloon effect,” in which advances in the ability of Americans to shoot down intercontinental ballistic missiles causes adversaries to redirect nuclear weapons to new delivery systems. Or increase the number of conventional warheads on conventional missiles, achieving results solely through quantity.

An interesting effect is obtained: the United States seems to have anti-missile defenses in case they are attacked by Iran, which somehow creates an ICBM with a flight range of about 12 km. Despite the fact that today Iranian ballistic missiles fly a maximum of 000 km. Or North Korea, which is doing a little better, Hwangsong-3 flies 000 km, but the distance to the USA is still the same 10-4 km.

In general, the argument looks unhealthy.

But the main thing is that if a full-scale launch is actually carried out, then neither missile defense, nor air defense, nor hundreds of aircraft will save. Of course, planes will be able to intercept some cruise missiles, this is indisputable. But ICBMs with MIRVs will still do their job.

And here the question arises: is it worth fencing the garden at all, if all these billions are wasted, and they will not save you from a normal blow? However, you and I know the answer to this question very well.
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  1. +22
    7 June 2024 04: 47
    The article is quite logical. But, dear Roman, I served military service in the Strategic Missile Forces of the USSR. I would like to note that in the event of our strike, assume failure/not ready to launch fifth from combat-ready carriers - well, it just doesn’t work out.
    A certain number of launch vehicles (especially boats and aircraft) may be under repair, so let's take the numbers of 595 launch vehicles and 2 warheads/cruise missiles and suppose that a fifth of them for some reason did not start. Breakdowns, scheduled repairs, upgrades, technical failures, etc.. There will be somewhere around 450-500 carriers with 2 charges.

    I'll explain. Routine maintenance work in the regiment is carried out on one medium. Not on all of them, but on just one. At this time, no maintenance is performed in other regiments. The situation is the same, I’m sure, both in the VKS and in the sub-float. If there is a transition to a new hardware part, modernization, then yes. The regiment is not combat-ready. But I don’t think that in our time the transition to new media is carried out in the same way as during the USSR, when the regiment was completely removed from the database. Most likely, products are changed one at a time. And only after installing a new one on the database, they begin replacing the next one.
    Conclusion: after the command to launch, about 10-12% of rockets do not launch. But not the 5th part.
    1. +19
      7 June 2024 05: 59
      The situation is the same, I’m sure, both in the VKS and in the sub-float.

      You see, a curious reader can imagine the situation in the Aerospace Forces himself, remembering, for example, the story with airfields and drones. Since even the USSR could not afford constant air patrols with nuclear weapons (with the exception of a short period, IMHO, in the 80s).... then the “situation in the Aerospace Forces”, especially if the enemy does not shoot drones made from “guano” and sticks" looks, so to speak...
      If you really want to get upset, you can use Yandex maps to solve the problem “how far is Olenya from a NATO country.”

      On the “subfloat” you can search the website for articles by Timokhin/Klimov/Andrei from Chelyabinsk, it is very interesting to understand what the “operational voltage coefficient” is, aka KON, how much the “subfloat” spends in the database (and what this means; and the legendary photo from Northern Fleet). And also interesting options for what could really happen to an SSBN at sea on a database.
      And read the author of this article, he has an article about what happened in the era of the “power of the USSR Navy” if a “combat submarine” tried to shoot the entire BC. The story was called "Behemoth".
      If you really want to get upset, you can use Yandex maps to solve the problem “how far is Gadzhievo from a NATO country?”

      In general, I personally hope for people like you who are “in the Strategic Missile Forces,” especially in the silo-based part. Regarding the PGRK in the current era of reconnaissance and the same drones/KR/F35/B2, I “have questions.”

      In general, a good question - does the author overestimate our capabilities in his calculations?
      And doesn’t he underestimate the enemy’s ability to intercept ballistic missiles/armored weapons using simple techniques, such as:
      - “forget all the Berks and Ticonderogas”,
      - and also “it turns out that if you load all the launchers with anti-missiles, the figure is quite: 7800 missiles. But here the question is: is there that many? Of course not. It’s possible to release it, but is it worth it?”

      The author does not write about the US’s ability to fight, for example, with the Kyrgyz Republic and carriers, and rightly so, there is no point in spoiling Friday and upsetting the people...
      1. +14
        7 June 2024 07: 02
        If you really want to get upset, you can use Yandex maps to solve the problem “how far is Gadzhievo from a NATO country?”

        Now Boyard will come and say that everything is good with us, but everything is bad with the Americans and in general we do not have the competence to talk about such things laughing
        1. +1
          7 June 2024 22: 11
          Now Boyard will come and say that everything is good with us, but everything is bad with the Americans and in general we do not have the competence to talk about such things

          Well, he’s right.
          Because you talk about the use of nuclear weapons the same way you talk about the World Cup. Everyone suddenly took it and shot. But in practice, a massive nuclear strike must be preceded by deployment. No matter how hard you try, the intelligence of the opposite side will always have operational data and, if signs of an impending strike are detected, naturally they will not wait until someone deigns to empty the mines. On the contrary, it will try to do everything possible to prevent it by any means, such as a preemptive strike on launcher locations, command centers, etc., using all possible means. As you understand, all this preparation will also be marked by intelligence from the opposite side. This whole hat with the use of strategic nuclear forces is not a cartoon from Hollywood or Mosfilm. This is a VERY serious and multi-level process. It will not be possible for one of the parties to conduct it secretly in any case. That is why nuclear weapons are called Weapons of Deterrence. Therefore, Roman’s article, as always, is from the category of a calculator plus Faryatiev’s fantasies. At this stage, we can only talk about the local use of tactical nuclear weapons, when, suddenly, let’s say one of the Calibers turns out to be equipped with a special warhead. Exchanging global strikes makes no sense.
          1. +2
            8 June 2024 11: 50
            Quote from Alex
            Exchanging global strikes makes no sense.

            The author did a good job of collecting open data on US missile defense, but did not analyze the US as a target, and did not compare it with the Russian Federation as a target.
            What I mean?
            The consequences of the exchange of blows for the United States and the Russian Federation will be completely different. In the USA, education, scientific institutions, and industry are generally evenly distributed over the territory of the country, which is formally smaller than the territory of the Russian Federation, but... a fair chunk of the territory of the Russian Federation is unsuitable for life in winter and is almost uninhabited.
            Therefore, the concentration of targets in the United States is much less. If there is a university in a city, there are usually no factories there. And so on. Ethnographically, the United States is also extremely ambiguous. Patriotic Texans are very good at distinguishing between the patriotism for the nation of "working white armed married men" and the federal black homosexuals from Washington. In general, in a number of cities, only the inevitability of problems with the feds is keeping people from cutting out drug-addicted welfare recipients and living in safety.
            The conclusion from this is that if New York and Washington are destroyed, US industry, education and agriculture will suffer to a very small extent. But the massacre of black idlers is inevitable.
            I note that even in peacetime in the United States, taxes are spent at the local level, without transferring information and money to Washington, so the economy of small cities will suffer much less than comparable cities in the Russian Federation.
            The Russian Federation inherited from the USSR the highest concentration of population in large cities - the Moscow agglomeration is, as it were, more than one fifth of the country's population. I’m too lazy to look at how many universities and research institutes there are in Moscow Moscow time, but it’s a bit much, to put it mildly. The same is with Sverdlovsk, Novosibirsk, Rostov and other large cities.
            Therefore, although the immediate damage to people from hits in the United States will be greater, the secondary factors in the form of hunger and the destruction of education and science, as well as industry, are incomparably higher.
            That is why neither side will ever decide to start a war.
            What the United States understands very well, and is preparing a missile defense system to counter precisely the insane religious fanatics who will not be guided by common sense when starting a war
            1. -1
              8 June 2024 13: 51
              Therefore, although the immediate damage to people from hits in the United States will be greater

              Why do you think so? The density of American cities is low, working from home has been worked out in the Covid era, many houses have a fortified basement and/or swimming pool, many cities have a pronounced topography that will further weaken the shock wave. If the exchange of blows is preceded by a period of tension of at least several days, then the American population will be well dispersed.

              Also, as you rightly point out, hitting the cities will correct the balance of power between Democrats and Republicans - but I would not expect gratitude from the Republicans.
            2. 0
              13 June 2024 16: 09
              If they're not going to attack us, then why expand NATO?
        2. +5
          8 June 2024 00: 14
          Quote: Dante
          Now Boyard will come and say that everything is fine with us

          I will not say .
          When almost all the deputies of the Minister of Defense are arrested and are under investigation, when the main guardian of secrets turns out to be a spy of the enemy, and during a search of the head of the financial service they find only bitcoins worth more than the cost of building the newest frigate, Project 0... “everything is fine” certainly cannot be . In the past, and by the end of this year, three frigates were supposed to enter service, two of them project 22350. And only ONE will enter and only next year. And it was only through the fault of that army general who stole with black shoulder straps (Shoigu, as Caesar’s wife, is of course beyond suspicion), who brought not only Pella, but the entire USC to ruin... by refusing to finance her orders and pay for their completion on a timely basis.
          Our strategic nuclear forces are in the best technical condition, and our missile defense system is more advanced. But what we have, and what they have, is not enough to guarantee the destruction of the enemy, and even more so to repel a blow from him. But the enemy has numerous tactical aircraft and missile cruise missiles, which, being nuclear-powered, become strategic for us. So they dragged our missiles into the Caribbean Sea. . . But the “charming army general” with a silver star on a black shoulder strap instead of new frigates (and not only) has piled up bitcoins beyond all measure.
          Quote: Dante
          In general, we do not have the competence to talk about such things

          "There are many things like that, friend Horace
          What our sages never dreamed of."

          I understand youth and hormones, but now I wouldn’t laugh and dig a bunker. Because they jumped, they laughed, they planned smartly.
      2. +5
        7 June 2024 09: 25
        The novel also does not write about a disarming strike. And what is happening now shows that this is not science fiction, they can be the first to defeat our strategic nuclear forces.
        1. +4
          7 June 2024 11: 45
          This is how the topic of limiting missile defense was discussed at one time due to the fact that missile defense, which helps shoot off some, but not all, warheads, greatly increases the value of a preventive strike. Especially if the blow can be made counter-force.
      3. +8
        7 June 2024 17: 49
        In general, a good question - does the author overestimate our capabilities in his calculations?
        And doesn’t he underestimate the enemy’s ability to intercept ballistic missiles/armored weapons using simple techniques, such as:
        - “forget all the Berks and Ticonderogas”,
        - and also “it turns out that if you load all the launchers with anti-missiles, the figure is quite: 7800 missiles. But here the question is: is there that many? Of course not. It’s possible to release it, but is it worth it?”

        I’ll tell you this: in any case, we will not be able to accurately assess either our capabilities or the capabilities of the enemy. We can only guess - there is no exact data. I rely on my own experience. I know how it was in the USSR. I don’t know the current state of affairs, but I don’t think that the situation in the strategic forces taken together is currently worse than in the 80s of the last century. Especially in the current reality, in the current situation.
      4. +1
        13 June 2024 15: 22
        Thank you, you ruined my day! But I gave you a plus
    2. +2
      7 June 2024 06: 13
      "Conclusion: after the command to launch, about 10-12% of the missiles do not launch. And not the 5th part."

      The meaning of your objection to the author: that 12% of missiles may not launch - this is realistic in your opinion, but 20% - well, it just doesn’t work out! And this simply cannot happen!
      And, for example, 15% - can it be allowed? Given your current ignorance of the state of affairs? After all, more than a dozen years have passed since the times of the USSR. Or are you so accurate in your forecasts that you accept 12%, but not 15? This is funny.
      And if 15% is also quite acceptable, then what did you prove above?
      1. +5
        7 June 2024 17: 58
        The meaning of your objection to the author: that 12% of missiles may not launch - this is realistic in your opinion, but 20% - well, it just doesn’t work out! And this simply cannot happen!
        And, for example, 15% - can it be allowed?
        I would rather talk about a possible equipment failure of 2-3%. This is what I can admit. I'll explain. Our media is constantly being improved. And there is constant rearmament. Consequently, the failure of the hardware in new media should tend to zero. The older the equipment, the more often failures are possible.
        Given your current ignorance of the state of affairs? After all, more than a dozen years have passed since the times of the USSR.
        You know no better, I guess. smile If only because only a few know the true state of affairs. And given the fact that strategic nuclear forces have always had the highest priority since their creation, both in the USSR and in Russia, I am confident that there will be minimal failures of hardware in the event of a real Armageddon.
        1. 0
          11 June 2024 13: 22
          "You know no better, I guess. smile..."
          That’s right, I’m not informed at all, that’s why I don’t give any digital calculations! wink
    3. +3
      7 June 2024 08: 40
      All these are theoretical calculations. In practice it will be different.
      And, considering that we have the Avangard missile system. In open sources there are 3 regiments (18 complexes). Each complex is from 800 kt to 2 mt. (Hiroshima and Nagasaki 20kt each.) Speed ​​from 20 to 28 mach, taking into account maneuvering horizontally and vertically. It will not be shot down after the start. The Americans do not have such technical capabilities. First of all, they will hit strategic targets, not cities.
      In practice, such a scenario cannot be allowed to happen. In any case, there will be mutual blows and humanity will cease to exist.
      1. +3
        7 June 2024 13: 50
        Quote: Sergey39
        In practice, such a scenario cannot be allowed to happen. In any case, there will be mutual blows and humanity will cease to exist.

        This cartoon about nuclear winter and the end of life on earth in general is a scientifically unsubstantiated propaganda fetish launched by Gorbachev (and actively taken up by the West) to “reinforced concrete justification” for his criminal in fact “new thinking” policy, within the framework of which we successfully disarmed and peacefully capitulated to the West.
        If we are now really going to confront the West, and not just bargaining for softer conditions of dependence, then continuing to stubbornly broadcast this false thesis is systematically programming our defeat. Much worse than in the 90s. If voluntary surrender cost us millions of real victims of crime and poverty, and virtual tens of millions of demographic failure, then now there will be physical destruction of the country. With the disintegration into independent villages and tens of millions of direct victims.
        Because “there” they understand well that the devil is not as terrible as propagandists paint him for the electorate, but this is a more than acceptable way out of a NO WAY OUT situation. While we will proceed from the logic that it is not the suicides who are sitting “there”, “there” will proceed from the logic of the evil necessary for survival and future prosperity. And they will deliver, in case of urgent need, a preemptive strike without the slightest hesitation, because even in the worst case, everything will not be so bad. Naturally for the elites.
        1. +5
          7 June 2024 18: 03
          This cartoon about nuclear winter and the end of life on earth in general is a scientifically unsubstantiated propaganda fetish launched by Gorbachev (and actively taken up by the West) to “reinforced concrete justification” for his criminal in fact “new thinking” policy, within the framework of which we successfully disarmed and peacefully capitulated to the West.
          Are you able to scientifically prove that after the exchange of massive nuclear strikes between us and the United States there will NOT be a “nuclear winter”? I would be very interested to see your formulas on the basis of which you decided so. Will you provide it?
          1. +2
            8 June 2024 13: 40
            At the test site on the islands of Novaya Zemlya, about 140 nuclear and thermonuclear charges were detonated in the air, on the surface of the earth and water. Including those with a capacity of 10,20 and over 50 megatons. The last non-underground test was carried out in 1962. Somewhere in the early 4s, an environmental expedition worked there, looking for traces of radiation. No background changes were found on the surface. Significant traces of radiation were found only in bottom silt deposits at a depth of XNUMX m from the surface of the silt...
            1. +2
              8 June 2024 14: 23
              No background changes were found on the surface

              You have the wrong information.
              https://nauka.tass.ru/nauka/4956441?utm_source=google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=google.com&utm_referrer=google.com
              The results of the study show that radioactive cesium pollution in the Russian Arctic is dangerous for living organisms. no, except for a number of areas. “The content of radioactive cesium in bottom sediments is not so high as to impose restrictions on fishing, this does not apply to the Chernaya and Rakovaya lips on Yuzhny Island of Novaya Zemlya, where high cesium activities were recorded"
          2. +2
            8 June 2024 21: 21
            To understand that the Earth revolves around the Sun, you don't need to personally sit with a telescope and do incredible calculations. There is an array of irrefutable, scientifically proven arguments accessible to mere mortals to operate and understand, from which the only correct conclusion automatically follows.
            Specifically on the subject.
            1) Once you delve into the source code, suddenly even among the scientific founding fathers the horror story of a nuclear winter is not visible at all. The original theory of the 90s generally spoke of a 4-month period of complete self-cleaning of soot from the atmosphere. And taking into account the reduction in the total power of warheads by 2024, the modeling speaks of a period of complete clearing of soot in ONE month. One month, Karl! What is the global freezing of the Earth in a month?!!! Yes, even for four. How blatant and stupid the lie was!
            2) Soot emissions in the most “catastrophic” modeling of the 2000s will supposedly be 150 megatons. Which, of course, is a natural pulling of an owl onto the globe, because each warhead is assumed to be one megaton, although in real life they fluctuate around 150-500 Kt, and the emission of soot is accepted as in a fiery whirlwind of a forest fire, and in real life a concrete city embedded in asphalt will barely smoke, but let be. At the same time, a ten-year catastrophic cooling is theoretically predicted.
            In practice, in history there HAS ALREADY been a release of 150 megatons of soot! During a volcanic eruption somewhere at the beginning of the nineteenth century, no horrific extinction of all living things was observed. Not even remotely. It was just an abnormally cold year. Not ten years. YEAR. Which humanity practically did not notice!
            This is just for memory. The simplest thing.
            1. -1
              9 June 2024 11: 54
              You apparently didn't quite understand my question correctly. Let me repeat it.
              You able scientifically substantiate that after the exchange of massive nuclear strikes between us and the United States there will NOT be a “nuclear winter”? I would like very interesting to see Yours formulas, on the basis of which you decided so

              I have little interest in the research that you are trying to offer in place of yours.
              Here are your words, which you did NOT document and did not provide any link to official documents confirming their correctness:
              This cartoon about nuclear winter and the end of life on earth in general is a scientifically unfounded propaganda fetish launched by Gorbachev

              I am not going to argue about Gorbachev; time has shown that he was an enemy of his own country. I'm talking about the highlighted part. Please provide evidence, not reasoning, especially not your own.
              1. +1
                10 June 2024 10: 05
                I just don’t understand why you demand any calculations from me, why you decided that we are having a discussion on my doctoral dissertation (which, of course, does not exist, which I hinted at very strongly in the post above). I stated a completely different topic that had nothing to do with my personal scientific qualifications. Be careful.
                Or are you trying in such a simple way to discredit the very idea of ​​the falsity of the concept of the destruction of nuclear weapons for humanity and all living things in general, appealing to my personal insignificance? An attempt in the “best” traditions of forum inhabitants, which raises questions about your level of discussion culture.

                Once again, an obvious, fundamental, scientific principle - there is no need for everyone to personally reinvent the wheel; one can, and should, rely on the body of other people’s knowledge. Unless, of course, you want to refute everything that came before. I don't want to. Therefore, I operate with a generally recognized array of data. Not popular media templates. Myths that are not well-established in society. And an array of objective data.

                As for the links, I have exactly the same links as you. I’ll give you a hint, in case you don’t know - type the topic into Google and get, so to speak, a “list of used literature.”
                On nuclear winter, an excellent starting point is the English Wikipedia, where you will find basic links to scientific data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter

                But the thoroughly tendentious theory about “nuclear winter”, which contradicts real data on volcanic activity and real large-scale fires, is a small part of the general phenomenon of “nuclear war”. And this is where it’s worth digging around.
                I don’t give specific links, because there were dozens of them, and in order to restore everything, you need to go through this very long path again.

                I studied the topic in detail, at an amateur level, of course. Including calculations of various radii by type of destruction for real US warheads, with location on maps of specific areas, i.e. analyzed how many warheads were needed to completely destroy several typical categories of cities, and extrapolating to the real geography of Russia, made rough calculations of the required number of warheads to destroy the industrial, energy and resource base of Russia, plus the destruction of human potential (residential areas).

                And he made the only possible conclusion - with the current number of DEPLOYED Western warheads, in Russia it is barely possible to hit only the main man-made potential, there will be a bunch of small-format things left. Residential areas will be affected extremely fragmentarily, only together with nearby industrial zones. With the exception of especially large cities, of course. Villagers will not be directly affected at all. We will not be able to seriously destroy the West at all. To completely destroy the Western world, we will need an order of magnitude more warheads. Those. There will be no mutual nuclear destruction, but our unilateral drain. And in the West this has long been calculated. That is why they were so eager to reduce the number of warheads, on a “parity” basis. And after our luxurious gift, THERE is no longer afraid of nuclear war. The elites are not afraid. They don’t want to, yes, why bear the costs of a full exchange of blows when you can win without costs.

                Therefore, they developed the concept of a disarming first strike. The basis of which will be “inspector satellites” and orbital impactors, the concept of which x-37 has already been developed for many years. A missile defense system was built to level out roughness, and not at all for the delusional “interception of Iranian missiles.” So far THEY have not managed to deploy the entire system, and are not ready for war on their own terms. But as soon as our weapons of deterrence, our guarantee of security, will cease to be such. And all these super-duper hypersonic Vanguards will suddenly turn into pumpkins. And all we can do is capitulate. Once again.

                This is how a strategic multi-move emerges, which began with a simple propaganda misconception about “terrible nuclear weapons leading to the death of all life on earth”
                1. 0
                  10 June 2024 10: 19
                  He didn’t say it the way he wanted - a strategic multi-prong based on the misconception about “terrible nuclear weapons leading to the death of all life on earth”
          3. +2
            10 June 2024 15: 33
            Stop with this clowning about formulas. Any supervolcano eruption of which there have been more than a dozen in human memory alone has released much more soot into the atmosphere than all nuclear weapons combined. And yes, in order to produce more soot, it is necessary to hit the forests and not the stone cities. And in order to be more afraid, you need to publish photos of paper Hiroshima, and not of stone Nagasaki, where there was an order of magnitude less destruction. And once again, yes - after dirty bombs, and not environmentally friendly thermonuclear fusion, people have been living normally there for a long time.
            1. 0
              11 June 2024 04: 45
              And in order to be more afraid, you need to publish photos of paper Hiroshima, and not of stone Nagasaki, where there was an order of magnitude less destruction. And once again, yes - after dirty bombs, and not environmentally friendly thermonuclear fusion, people have been living normally there for a long time
              People there are still experiencing the consequences of the atomic bombing. It's not just about those who live. Although they also have an increased incidence of both oncology and other diseases. The point is that very few healthy children are still born there.
              And about the formulas... It's not a matter of "nuclear winter". The fact is that a person can have his own point of view, but if he categorically asserts something, he must prove it. Myself. Without citing Google. Personally, I do not claim that a nuclear winter will certainly happen, but I do not exclude such a scenario: it is impossible to accurately predict something that has never happened in the history of mankind. There has not yet been an exchange of nuclear strikes. You can guess. Approve - no.
              1. 0
                13 June 2024 16: 48
                You yourself have refuted your own theory. “People still Live there”... That’s exactly what they still Live, after the attacks of nuclear bombs. Including those who were children then.
                The power and toxic effects of atomic weapons are overrated.
        2. +2
          8 June 2024 11: 56
          Quote: Passing by
          If we are now really going to confront the West,

          So, first of all, we must at least try to compensate for something in which the Russian Federation is inferior to almost the entire populated world - a bad climate. We are not yet capable of controlling the climate, but build more nuclear power plants and legally limit the markup on the price of electricity to “no more than one and a half times the price of a nuclear power plant,” so that heating and lighting become as cheap as possible.
          An amendment to the constitution will also be needed, like “It is prohibited to take taxes, duties and payments of more than one tenth of income; whoever wants to take more will be killed” - this is a quote from Yasa of Genghis Khan. Since only extremely low taxes can compensate for the higher cost of living in a cold climate.
        3. 0
          12 June 2024 00: 32
          This cartoon about nuclear winter and the end of life on earth in general is a scientifically unsubstantiated propaganda fetish launched by Gorbachev (and actively picked up by the West) so this is a theory from the early 1970s. For example, I read it in Science and Life in an issue for about 1973-74.
      2. +5
        7 June 2024 16: 20
        Unfortunately, only Russia, America, and Juritania and France will most likely cease to exist.
        The rest will stay and wait for 20-30 years, but they will survive and a brave new world will come with the rule of the strong and the absence of white people on the planet.
    4. -18
      7 June 2024 09: 54
      In the event of a launch order, not a single missile will fly, because the final decision on the launch is made by the crew/duty crew of the carrier/object. And our people are infantile idiots, even among the officers, who decide to close their eyes and pretend it’s just an illusion. How Stanislav Petrov did it
      1. +6
        7 June 2024 11: 37
        No decision is made by the crew. He carries out the order. And believe me, he won’t even think about it!
    5. +19
      7 June 2024 11: 04
      I will add from myself. I served in the Strategic Missile Forces and not urgently. There are degrees of combat readiness. The SBG changes depending on a particular political situation. When passions heat up, parts of the Strategic Missile Forces will be transferred to the highest level. By this moment, all maintenance will be completed and a maximum of carriers will be ready for launch
      1. +1
        7 June 2024 18: 27
        There are degrees of combat readiness. Depending on a particular political situation, the SBG changes. When passions heat up, parts of the Strategic Missile Forces will be transferred to the highest level. By this moment, all maintenance will be completed and the maximum number of carriers will be ready for launch.

        Absolutely. hi
    6. +3
      7 June 2024 11: 54
      Routine maintenance work in the regiment is carried out on one medium.


      It's not just about maintenance.

      There are space rockets of the Cosmos series. First stage from R-14. The reliability of this rocket is 95%: 440 launches, 20 failures. At the same time, the launch of a space rocket can be safely postponed, say, for a day, this happens all the time. In the case under discussion, everything needs to be launched instantly - that is, theoretically there will be much more failures.
      1. +7
        7 June 2024 14: 02
        At the same time, the launch of a space rocket can be safely postponed, say, for a day, this happens all the time. In the case under discussion, everything needs to be launched instantly - that is, theoretically there will be much more failures.

        You see, we probably need to look at the situation a little more broadly.
        As law enforcement agencies recently showed with the example of Mr. Ivanov, you can make good money on some orders, even if not in favor of the orders themselves.
        Question: how much can you “earn” from nuclear weapons that are unlikely to be used, and if they are, then the opinion of some authorities can be ignored/not bothered?
        And what after “earning money” will generally work in this matter, given that there is no real experience (thank G-d), and all the teachings/tests are extremely successful?
        1. +6
          7 June 2024 14: 09
          There may be such a point of view. But I would not consider such considerations in military planning.

          Not long ago we saw a counterexample. The military leadership of the two fraternal countries, knowing both themselves and their brothers very well, was confident that both fraternal armies had been completely plundered - and therefore no large-scale war of the fraternal countries was possible. As a result of certain events, it turned out that both fraternal parties were damn mistaken both about each other, and - partly - about themselves.
      2. +4
        7 June 2024 18: 07
        There are space rockets of the Cosmos series. First stage from R-14. The reliability of this rocket is 95%: 440 launches, 20 failures.
        There is no need to compare solid-fuel ICBMs with carriers that launch satellites into orbit. Too different systems. The preparation time for launch is too different. Too... There are too many different nuances that completely separate the two branches of ICBM evolution.
    7. +1
      7 June 2024 16: 23
      But it seemed to me that the article was incomplete. The main question is not asked - “What do we have?”
      After all, it won’t happen that we are thirsty and they are not. And it is unlikely that we will intercept many missiles, given that not only the United States, but also their friends are dying.
      Those. As a layman, this article scares me more than it inspires me.
      Somehow it will be purple when it flies here, what the Americans have there, what they shot down there.

      PS And this one also jars
      "but you can giggle here"

      We already giggled 24.02.22/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      We're still giggling, damn it.
      The country almost laughed.
      And even now the situation has leveled off, but I don’t see anything positive at the front.

      The country has many difficult days ahead. And here we throw our hats.
      1. +6
        7 June 2024 18: 09
        After all, it won’t happen that we are thirsty and they are not. And it is unlikely that we will intercept many missiles, given that not only the United States, but also their friends are dying.
        A simple question: which NATO country, but USA and France, has their nuclear products?
        1. Alf
          +1
          7 June 2024 19: 37
          An amateur's question: whose missiles does the PRC have? I'm not kidding, I really don't know.
          1. +3
            8 June 2024 04: 59
            Whose missiles does China have?
            Their. But based on Soviet developments.
      2. +1
        8 June 2024 00: 14
        Quote: Arnok
        But it seemed to me that the article was incomplete.

        Most likely not started laughing. The article describes OUR FIRST strike, which contradicts existing doctrine. We can say, of course, that laws are not written for us, we do what we want, but somehow experience tells us that the potential enemy KNOWS our actions at least 3 months in advance. And in this situation they definitely won’t wait! So yes
        Quote: Arnok
        The main question is not asked - “What do we have?”
    8. +1
      7 June 2024 17: 08
      Well, how can I tell you? You are 40 years out of date. You compare old missiles with new ones.
      1. +5
        7 June 2024 18: 17
        Compare old rockets with new ones.
        I can compare a normal, Soviet Moskvich, say 408/412, with the new one. From "Moskvich 3". And the new one doesn’t hold a candle to the 408. If only because that old, Soviet one was designed here. And the modern one is simply assembling a Chinese car and sticking nameplates on it in Russian.
        And further. Let's compare the years of production of products from us and from the enemy. And what do you order us to do, not to compare them not only outdated, but also partially rusted Minutemen of the 70s of the last century with “Voevoda”, “Bulava”, or what?! Shouldn't we talk about it at all?
        1. 0
          8 June 2024 18: 12
          Logic has simply abandoned you. The fact that the new Moskvich is some kind of assembly does not make it worse than the ancient Moskvich.
          1. 0
            8 June 2024 18: 15
            The fact that the new Moskvich is some kind of assembly does not make it worse than the ancient Moskvich
            Doesn't. But the name "Moskvich" is Russian. Soviet. Not Chinese. And if brands are already being sold to the Chinese, then I wonder what will happen next.
            Although, I got excited about the “doesn’t do” thing. The carburetor takes half an hour to move on your knee. Are you ready to climb into the depths of the so-called “Moskvich”, new, Chinese, and in 20-30 minutes identify the injector that needs to be cleaned or replaced, and clean it?
  2. +9
    7 June 2024 04: 49
    And here the question arises: is it worth fencing the garden at all, if all these billions are wasted, and they will not save you from a normal blow? However, you and I know the answer to this question very well.

    We can assume that as long as the dollar is the main reserve currency, this garden will be fenced until it’s blue in the face, despite the fact that only one Sarmat missile launcher carries 10 difficult-to-intercept warheads with a capacity of 750 kt each...
    * * *
    Instead of developing trade relations and cooperation in science and culture, the West simply needs to complete the destruction of Russian civilization. And we need to develop weapons like tactical nuclear weapons with a shorter half-life of radioactive elements. Like: he hit the right spot, and a month later there were no traces.
    Or maybe sit down at the negotiating table without ambitions and claims to the right to be the ruler of the world? But here we need either a global flood, or a meteorite with a diameter of more than a kilometer flying towards the earth, or an eruption of some Yellowstone, or some kind of pandemic of the 21st century...
    1. -4
      7 June 2024 07: 16
      Still, it seems to me, especially after the last press conference, that Putin’s words need to be taken much more seriously. Especially to these: We are in heaven, they are in hell. am am am
      Perhaps this is a metaphor. Or maybe not. How many warheads does it take to knock the plug out of the Yellowstone supervolcano? Probably one Sarmat will be enough. Why is our Kura training ground located in Kamchatka? Is this related to the Kamchatka supervolcano? It will not be possible to shoot down our missiles striking the Kamchatka supervolcano, because the missiles will fly over our territory, and it will cover the entire West Coast of the United States with ash. And then there are Poseidons. And there is also a volcano in the Canary Islands, after hitting which tens of cubic kilometers of rocks will collapse into the sea, forming a supertsunami that will wash away the entire East Coast of the United States. Etc. and so on.
      If desired, not many missiles are needed to destroy the United States and deal an unacceptable blow to human civilization.
  3. 0
    7 June 2024 04: 50
    And here the question arises: is it worth fencing the garden at all?
    The question, I understand, is rhetorical...
  4. +17
    7 June 2024 05: 01
    The task of the American missile defense system is to repel the attack of the remnants of carriers (finishing off) after delivering a preventive strike on the enemy’s strategic nuclear forces (mainly ours) or (secondarily) single attacks from countries like Iran, North Korea
    1. +11
      7 June 2024 06: 26
      What if we still “suffer”?

      The task of the American missile defense system is to repel the attack of the remnants of carriers (finishing off) after delivering a preemptive strike

      That's the point. The best anti-missiles are those that defeat the enemy's arsenal BEFORE he uses it.
      So, suddenly, it turns out that a couple of early warning stations are not combat-ready, several of the same satellites are silent, and after 15 minutes something arrives - judging not by reconnaissance data, but by the roar of explosions...
      The author is not looking for missile defense in the states...
      1. +8
        7 June 2024 08: 20
        this is an unpopular point of view)) it’s better not to voice it on the nuclear submarine, I know that an Amer hunter is always hanging out next to ours and here, as if we had time to shoot back, we cut up the BZHRK and the mines are all counted and known, plus it is unknown how many Polyakovs and Smetanins continue to serve on two fronts, of course We have Stirlitz but they destroyed the USSR(
        1. +3
          7 June 2024 11: 40
          Always hanging out? And you can’t tear yourself away?
        2. Alf
          +2
          7 June 2024 19: 40
          Quote from Mazunga
          I know from the nuclear submarine that an Amer hunter is always hanging out next to ours

          A small addition. OUR fighter boat is always hanging out next to our RCSN. Precisely as a watchman.
          1. -3
            7 June 2024 20: 39
            Quote: Alf
            A small addition. OUR fighter boat is always hanging out next to our RCSN. Precisely as a watchman.

            Exactly? And what was “OUR fighter boat” doing at the time of the death of the K-141 “Kursk”?
            1. Alf
              +2
              7 June 2024 20: 43
              Quote: Saxahorse
              Quote: Alf
              A small addition. OUR fighter boat is always hanging out next to our RCSN. Precisely as a watchman.

              Exactly? And what was “OUR fighter boat” doing at the time of the death of the K-141 “Kursk”?

              As if it were an exercise, not a combat exercise.
              1. -3
                7 June 2024 20: 46
                Quote: Alf
                As if it were an exercise, not a combat exercise.

                This is how such things should be practiced during exercises. In principle, I have big doubts about your option. Nuclear submarines don’t have brake lights; hanging around and not getting stuck would be a big stroke of luck. By the way, cases of collisions with enemy fighter boats are known.
            2. ANB
              +1
              7 June 2024 23: 40
              . And what was “OUR fighter boat” doing at the time of the death of the K-141 “Kursk”

              What is the connection between the supporting MAPL and the death of Kursk?
              1. -1
                9 June 2024 20: 06
                Quote: ANB
                What is the connection between the supporting MAPL and the death of Kursk?

                Straight. The fact that the nuclear submarine Kursk was declared an emergency was announced only 12 hours later, and the search began. If the “providing MAPL” had been nearby, they probably would have reacted much faster.
                1. ANB
                  0
                  10 June 2024 00: 36
                  1. Kursk - APKr KR, not a strategist. Aircraft carrier hunter. I don’t even know if the loaves are entitled to MAPL, to be honest. I served in the 667th Brigade, we were entitled to it, but only in combat service. We went out on our own for the training session.
                  And regarding the organization of those exercises and the search for Kursk - all questions to the command of the Northern Fleet. There were problems there through the roof. They were removed later for a reason.
      2. 0
        7 June 2024 11: 42
        after 15 minutes something arrives


        In 15 minutes it will arrive in Orenburg and Altai. In many other places it is much faster.
        1. osp
          -1
          8 June 2024 01: 24
          Have you forgotten about the SSBNs of the US Pacific Fleet?
          They are found in the North Pacific Ocean.
          From there they will attack Kamchatka, airfields and bases of the Strategic Missile Forces in Eastern Siberia.
          1. -2
            8 June 2024 09: 59
            No, I haven't forgotten. But Siberia is big in any case, it’s a long flight to Uzhur and Dombarovsky.
            It’s much closer to Kozelsk and even more so to the submarine bases.
  5. -8
    7 June 2024 05: 06
    Perhaps in order to be guaranteed to overcome the US missile defense umbrella, strike weapons must be launched into space... placing them on platforms and stations in Earth orbit... expensive but effective.
    If the United States does not want to live peacefully with Russia, this will have to be done in the future... in general, our victory in Ukraine will determine whether TMB will begin or whether it will be postponed indefinitely.
    Gorbachev's disarmament brought a negative result for our country... it only got worse... the Anglo-Saxons became bolder... which means our country again needs to stock itself to capacity with the latest weapons.
    1. -4
      7 June 2024 06: 11
      Don't just pack it yourself. But the most important thing is to create friends, proxies and arm them with our weapons. There is safety in numbers. But when there are only a dozen half-soldiers and there is an agreement on mutual protection and mutual assistance. And everyone is armed according to the same standards, and they understand that if they don’t help today, then tomorrow they will deal with them too...
    2. +6
      7 June 2024 06: 28
      Yes you are right. Let's remember the Energia launch vehicle.
      It was created not only to launch the Buran and the Polyus combat laser station into orbit.
      It was supposed to deliver heavy stations for suppressing enemy missile defense systems to the GSO.
      Moreover, the last task, while remaining purely theoretical, has not been removed from the agenda. Which in turn stimulates the creation of modern heavy launch vehicles
    3. 0
      7 June 2024 07: 34
      placing it on platforms and stations in orbit

      Space is empty, Starshield satellites with explosives fly up to the platforms and dock. Gentlemen, enjoy your platforms
      1. +1
        8 June 2024 00: 28
        For some reason, no one thinks that the appearance of such a carrier as “Starship” can revive the defunct SDI. With its price and payload, it’s a small matter with current technologies. The shuttles at one time did not work as expected, but now it is quite possible that “a second wind will open.” If the task is set correctly, I think ten years will be enough.
  6. +12
    7 June 2024 05: 14
    Today's times remind me of the times of the Cold War in the 80s... The same degree of tension, the same build-up and hysteria in the media... Just one on one... Many readers, probably, smile remember that time.
    1. +26
      7 June 2024 05: 24
      Many readers probably smile remember that time.

      I remember...at that time I was absolutely confident in the power of our state and the strong-willed qualities of the general secretaries of the USSR.
      Now there is no such confidence... the inconsistency of our leadership, numerous concerns, empty red lines only give rise to doubts about the ability of the Kremlin leaders to cope with the impending danger from the West and NATO.
      1. -6
        7 June 2024 08: 02
        I don't agree. You need to judge not by words, but by deeds. In fact, the USSR retreated in the 80s, giving Eastern Europe to the West, and the Russian Federation, when it felt a threat to its existence, was not afraid to start a North-West Military District, essentially entering into war with the united West.
        1. +10
          7 June 2024 11: 17
          Quote from solist2424
          I don't agree. You need to judge not by words, but by deeds. In fact, the USSR retreated in the 80s, giving Eastern Europe to the West, and the Russian Federation, when it felt a threat to its existence, was not afraid to start a North-West Military District, essentially entering into war with the united West.

          Here's how to look. The USSR did not retreat before the power of the West. The USSR was destroyed by its own elites for the sake of a sweet Western life.
          The Russian Federation entered the Northern Military District not fully understanding its own strengths, the potential of the enemy, as well as the determination of the West in confrontation with us.
          So, your comparisons are very unfortunate and have little in common with reality.
          1. 0
            8 June 2024 18: 14
            The USSR collapsed due to the unviability of socialism. And what does “for the sake of the sweet Western life” mean? "Freudian slip"? Do you admit that life there was much better than in the USSR?
            1. 0
              10 June 2024 09: 58
              Quote from Witsapiens
              The USSR collapsed due to the unviability of socialism.

              Hmm, in the EU there was even more socialism than ours, but they didn’t fall apart.
              Quote from Witsapiens
              And what does “for the sake of the sweet Western life” mean? "Freudian slip"? Do you admit that life there was much better than in the USSR?

              The elites of the West certainly lived better than the Soviet ones. It's pointless to even discuss this. Now our elite women live no worse, and sometimes even better. For this reason, almost half of the population is simply engaged in survival. Another 45% are at the level of the average peasant in the USSR, and only 5% bask in luxury.
    2. +7
      7 June 2024 13: 07
      And it seems to me that today is even worse. In the 80s there was some kind of respect between the countries, although the confrontation was difficult, now there is no respect. Bidon calls VVP a bandit; Medvedev is not at all shy about the West. And it's very bad. Without respect for your opponent, it is always easier to uncover fatal arguments. We are on the edge of the abyss.
      1. Alf
        +1
        7 June 2024 19: 45
        Quote: Glagol1
        We are on the edge of the abyss.
  7. +10
    7 June 2024 05: 15
    laughing
    Hmm, for what reason were Burkes and Ticonderogas with transatmospheric and atmospheric interceptors removed from the count?
    Really....
    Is it really possible that, as with PAK3, there could be more interceptors than targets? Well, let’s assume that they were all put out of action by the Khibiny!
    lol
    1. +4
      7 June 2024 08: 51
      Hmm, for what reason were Burkes and Ticonderogas with transatmospheric and atmospheric interceptors removed from the count?
      Really....

      The head of the Armaments section did not consider it necessary to mention them, which means they do not exist. wink
    2. +1
      7 June 2024 13: 03
      Quote: Wildcat
      Hmm, for what reason were Burkes and Ticonderogas with transatmospheric and atmospheric interceptors removed from the count?

      Probably because Berks or Tikis must be close enough to the launching missiles to intercept them. The only real launch of the SM3 rocket was against a satellite flying at an altitude of 247 km. Which seems to hint that the actual effective range of these missiles is not high. Although, of course, we should not forget that they are constantly improving them. But we should also not forget that the flight trajectories of our missiles are completely unpredictable, and can even run through the south pole of the Earth. In general, not everything is so simple, with a massive salvo.
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  9. +7
    7 June 2024 05: 33
    342 strategic missiles will not be enough for us. In 1975-77, when I served in the Strategic Missile Forces, there were about 1600 missiles and more new missile divisions were being built. Reducing the number of strategic missiles is sabotage against the defense of our country, or betrayal.
    Just to stop NATO without complete destruction, you need at least 300 warheads, and for the United States, at least 500 warheads. Calculations for China show within 300 charges, but it will survive and will be able to strike back at America. soldier
    1. +4
      7 June 2024 06: 03
      -Calculations for China show within 300 charges, but he will survive and will be able to strike back at America.
      The issue is controversial - an attack on the dams on the Yangtze and Yellow River will cause very serious damage. And this is only about 10 objects.
    2. -1
      7 June 2024 08: 04
      Do you think that it is better to be guaranteed to destroy the enemy 20 times than 10? One is enough, I assure you.
  10. +8
    7 June 2024 05: 35
    What do we have? What is an umbrella? I just look at our elite and I don’t see a single person who can press that very button if something happens. After all, they have families, relatives, dachas by the sea, and favorite restaurants there, but here, well, there’s not half the country, and that’s okay. All the early potholes on the roads remained the same, roofs were blown off? So they are demolished every year, and so there is no need to report. And the Russians won’t even notice, they’re used to it, but here you can be left without Parmesan, and you’ll want Swiss milk, and fly to Hollywood for lunch.
    1. +5
      7 June 2024 06: 32
      Quote from turembo
      I just look at our elite and I don’t see a single person who can press that very button if something happens.

      Everything is clear with the “elite”. Compare two scenarios
      1. A button is pressed. The elite in comfortable bunkers eat the best canned food and breathe air filtered by the best filters, relax in a microgreenhouse where there are 5 real trees.
      2. The button is not pressed. Even if Russia has collapsed - the elite vacation in the Maldives, eat the freshest organic food in Michelin-starred restaurants, live in one of the villas in places with the highest air quality.

      Well, she's not a crazy "button presser"
      1. +2
        7 June 2024 08: 11
        I don't agree. If the West were smarter, the second option could have taken place. But after Russian oligarchs in Europe began to be fleeced, their relatives were arrested, something began to dawn on them (the oligarchs). So it’s not possible to sit out in the Maldives - either you’re in the Russian trenches or in the trenches in the West.
        1. +4
          7 June 2024 11: 39
          So it’s not possible to sit out in the Maldives - either you’re in the Russian trenches or in the trenches in the West.


          Even a monstrous life in London on a meager 5 thousand pounds a month, like that of a victim of the bloody regime of King Charles III P. Aven, is much better than a comfortable bunker, not to mention a trench.
        2. +2
          8 June 2024 00: 31
          Quote from solist2424
          So it won’t be possible to sit out in the Maldives

          Have you read the list of sanctioned ones?
          And then you go out onto the streets of your city, look around and think what part of the “elite” is on this list? Thousandth? Ten-thousandth?
      2. -2
        7 June 2024 09: 39
        The elite vacation in the Maldives
        Now an all-inclusive tour to the land of tulips and freedom, to the city of The Hague, rich in history, is quite possible Yes .
      3. +5
        7 June 2024 13: 12
        There will be no Maldives. Nothing will happen. Perhaps something will survive in Antarctica, but there is nothing there anyway. So the button will be pressed. But you need to filter clickers. So, the top of the Ministry of Defense turned out to be full of corruption. I think there are agents there too...
    2. +6
      7 June 2024 08: 07
      Russia has been left without Parmesan for a long time, and people keep repeating this mantra. Yes, part of the elite did not want to come into conflict with the West, but this crossroads has been passed, the Russian Federation has made its own, whether anyone likes it or not.
      1. ANB
        +1
        8 June 2024 00: 04
        . Russia has been left without parmesan for a long time,

        I returned from the store 3 hours ago. I was just buying cheese. There is also Parmesan and blue cheese.
  11. +4
    7 June 2024 05: 35
    For those who are interested in the real principles of missile defense and anti-missile defense methods, I recommend reading the book by V.G. Kisunko “The Secret Zone: Confession of the General Designer.”
    1. +3
      7 June 2024 07: 08
      Let me correct it slightly: Grigory Vasilievich Kisunko.
      1. +2
        7 June 2024 07: 14
        Indeed Grigory Vasilievich! I made a mistake. Thanks for the correction! drinks
    2. -2
      7 June 2024 11: 34
      Integrated defensive-offensive ocean-land-space complex
  12. +2
    7 June 2024 05: 36
    in my opinion, the missile defense system is completely meaningless... even if one of the sides (no matter which one) reflects all the warheads launched by the enemy and, in turn, achieves complete success in launching a nuclear strike on the enemy... for example, Russia shot down with the help of the S-400 and S-500, all American missiles and warheads and brought down its 2 - 000 nuclear warheads on the enemy’s heads... the outcome will still be terminal, when the living envy the dead... the Americans will die immediately, and we will die after them...
    1. +2
      7 June 2024 07: 36
      There are North Korea and Iran, which can launch, and the missile defense system can shoot down everything they have
      1. +1
        7 June 2024 10: 07
        There are North Korea and Iran, which can launch, and the missile defense system can shoot down everything they have

        Iran has nothing and nothing to launch against the United States; in any case, they do not have ready-made and tested nuclear warheads (there may be prototypes) and there are no ICBMs that can reach the United States. And North Korea is on the threshold or has already crossed the threshold of US missile defense capabilities to repel a nuclear strike. By the way, this was recently announced in the USA. Kim Jong-un also recently said that the DPRK can keep the US from launching a nuclear attack on the DPRK. The explanation is that even if the DPRK destroys with a nuclear strike twice as many Americans as the population of the DPRK, the United States will destroy the country, technical capabilities allow. And they will not look at the neighborhood with China and the Russian Federation, as well as South Korea.
        1. -3
          8 June 2024 13: 16
          Quote: smart fellow
          Iran has nothing and nothing to launch against the United States; in any case, they do not have ready-made and tested nuclear warheads (there may be prototypes) and there are no ICBMs that can reach the United States. And North Korea is on the threshold or has already crossed the threshold of US missile defense capabilities to repel a nuclear strike. By the way, this was recently announced in the USA. Kim Jong-un also recently said that the DPRK can keep the US from launching a nuclear attack on the DPRK. The explanation is that even if the DPRK destroys with a nuclear strike twice as many Americans as the population of the DPRK, the United States will destroy the country, technical capabilities allow. And they will not look at the neighborhood with China and the Russian Federation, as well as South Korea.

          Iran is already launching satellites into space, which means it actually has ICBMs.
          And Kim says a lot of things, in fact he has missiles from the 60s of the last century, in small numbers and in the access zone of the ROK artillery
          1. 0
            8 June 2024 19: 49
            Iran is already launching satellites into space, which means it actually has ICBMs.
            And Kim says a lot of things, in fact he has missiles from the 60s of the last century, in small numbers and in the access zone of the ROK artillery

            You don’t understand the topic, but it has been discussed for a number of years in relation to North Korean ICBMs. Briefly and simplified, an ICBM must not only take off but also deliver the warhead intact to its destination.
            Nobody except the Koreans knows what the technological level of North Korean ICBMs is, but you are repeating hackneyed cliches from 20 years ago or, as they say now, working according to a manual. In addition, you are like in the joke: the Chukchi is not a reader, the Chukchi is a writer.
            Well, it’s a pearl that the ICBM is “in the access zone of the artillery of the Republic of Kazakhstan” means that you are female - for a teenager, you have been grazing on the site for a long time and at the same time do not understand military affairs. Although, of course, in Israel there are all sorts of transgender people and other perverts, just like in the democratic West.
    2. ANB
      -2
      8 June 2024 00: 09
      . the outcome will still be terminal

      Agree. Warheads can generally be sent to Australia and Africa.
      The planet will still be messed up. But the cockroaches are guaranteed to survive.
      1. 0
        8 June 2024 00: 35
        Quote: ANB
        . the outcome will still be terminal

        Agree. Warheads can generally be sent to Australia and Africa.
        The planet will still be messed up. But the cockroaches are guaranteed to survive.

        Unfortunately, this is a persistent myth...
        But many believe... Just like in radioactive contamination from modern thermonuclear bombs...
  13. +1
    7 June 2024 05: 52
    It seems to me that everything is simpler.. Missile defense is against countries that can fire a salvo of up to fifty missiles.. and the United States, in principle, will not consider the option of launching our missiles and is sure that there will be no nuclear weapons with the Russian Federation.. why? already a debatable question..
  14. +5
    7 June 2024 05: 54
    The longer this all goes on, the longer the doves of peace show their toothlessness, the more likely it is that someone will die. And it’s not a fact, with the temperature slowly rising, that we.

    PS: that’s why we need to raise it ourselves so that the world’s ass shrinks. For example, shooting down reconnaissance planes. Declare the entire Black Sea a no-fly zone
    1. BAI
      -1
      7 June 2024 06: 06
      And it’s not a fact, with the temperature slowly rising, that we.

      Of course not us. NATO has begun to openly discuss the possibility of a first strike, which means the decision has been made.
      The whole question is when they hit.
      Our elite will definitely chicken out
      1. +1
        7 June 2024 06: 23
        Our top

        our elite has long been “not ours”!
    2. Alf
      0
      7 June 2024 19: 49
      Quote: Last centurion
      : Therefore, we need to raise it ourselves so that the world’s ass shrinks. For example, shooting down reconnaissance planes. Declare the entire Black Sea a no-fly zone

      To do this, “only” it is necessary that OUR elite have balls of steel, but this is frankly a bad thing.
  15. +7
    7 June 2024 05: 57
    I can’t imagine what needs to happen for our leadership to decide to “give up.”
    Based on the menacing conversations that have been going on for three years now, which have not been followed by action.
    1. -8
      7 June 2024 06: 22
      Don’t worry. It’s going to be a blast - they’ll be stifled. I didn’t even hope for it on 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX. But look how it turned out. No matter how much the Supreme Commander resisted, no matter how much he didn’t persuade the “partners” to come to their senses, we had to start the SVO. Of course, declaring a full-fledged war would have been beneficial .Coupled with the introduction of martial law. Then the swindlers from the Ministry of Defense would not have to be judged, but straight to the wall.
      1. +4
        7 June 2024 06: 39
        /////////////Don’t worry. It’ll be baked - they’ll die. I didn’t even hope for it on 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX. But look how it turned out. How the Supreme did not resist, how he did not persuade the “partners” to come to their senses, but had to start SVO.//////////////

        Then on the third day they could stop her and request negotiations. Although success was undoubtedly on our side and we could press on. Do you remember how it was?
        1. +1
          7 June 2024 08: 16
          And what would be bad if on the third day Ukraine accepted all Russian conditions and peace came? Another question is that in the West there was no adequate leader who would understand that they could not defeat Russia.
          1. +3
            7 June 2024 13: 07
            /////////And what would be bad if on the third day Ukraine accepted all Russian conditions and peace came?///////////
            Are you serious ? What a world this could have been, just another Minsk-3. After all, the Nazis-Bandera would not have gone anywhere. The same people remained in power. The previously announced denazification was not carried out; it could only be completed by a change of government. This means new provocations and shelling of Donbass by national battalions and foreign mercenaries. And as before they would say that we are firing at ourselves. All pieces of paper signed by the current ukrovlast are only suitable for the toilet.
        2. -1
          8 June 2024 10: 27
          Of course I remember. The Ukrainians, ready to sign everything, begged to withdraw troops from Kiev. Allegedly, to save face, they cannot sign an agreement with a “gun to their head”. Zhidovsky Kahal, unfortunately, seized the initiative. That’s what happened.. Medinsky - the idiot missed everything
    2. -3
      7 June 2024 11: 44
      Time. Weapons based on new physical principles are on the way. If with theory we are ahead of the rest, then with technical implementation we will have to wait. There will also be control over tactical nuclear weapons.
      Even the Istanbul agreements represented concessions to the opposing side, and the task of future negotiations is to gain time. And to “thirst”... It will always be done in time.
  16. +3
    7 June 2024 06: 01
    “We will reflect the first wave. Partially the second. And the third will have nothing and no one to reflect” © S. S. Tarmashev. “Catastrophe.”
  17. +7
    7 June 2024 06: 01
    Now about the funny... but you can start giggling here.

    After these words, there was no point in reading further, it’s a very funny topic, you’ll laugh out loud.
    As usual, “everything is great with us, everything is falling apart and rotting for them.”
  18. BAI
    -2
    7 June 2024 06: 03
    The author also forgot the Burevestnik, which can enter from any direction, bypassing all missile defense areas.
    And Poseidon, God forgive me
  19. +3
    7 June 2024 06: 04
    But how many will the States really be able to shoot down when it comes to day “X” and hour “H”?

    With all due respect to the author, this article cannot be considered other than unfounded fantasies - the missile defense topic is too important and secret for there to be reliable information about it in open sources
    1. -1
      7 June 2024 09: 03
      Quote: Vladimir80
      this article cannot be considered other than unfounded fantasies - the missile defense topic is too important and secret for there to be reliable information about it in open sources

      Oh yes, it’s really secret. However, the test results are publicly available. No matter how and what they tested it on. Moreover, I am inclined to believe that the results were inflated in order to justify the further injection of taxpayer money from the sacred cow. And so, Iran’s attack on Jews clearly showed that NOT ONE modern ballistic missile was shot down. Even taking into account the obviously known time and place of the attack, a limited salvo, and densely saturated Israeli, US and NATO air defense in a limited area. So, I still agree with the author that the US missile defense system is not combat-ready against a massive salvo. Yes, it was not created for this. It was created for the strategy of a global disarming strike, in case our few surviving missiles did launch.
      1. -5
        7 June 2024 12: 41
        Iran's attack on the Jews clearly showed that NOT ONE modern ballistic missile was shot down

        Apparently there weren’t really any modern missiles, since no one noticed the result of that attack...
        1. +1
          7 June 2024 13: 07
          Quote: Vladimir80
          Apparently there weren’t really any modern missiles, since no one noticed the result of that attack...

          The blind didn't notice. And the same Jews admitted the attack on the air base. The fact that the strike was limited was how Iran intended it.
  20. +6
    7 June 2024 06: 08
    Quote: mark1
    The task of the American missile defense system is to repel the attack of the remnants of carriers (finishing off) after delivering a preventive strike on the enemy’s strategic nuclear forces (mainly ours) or (secondarily) single attacks from countries like Iran, North Korea

    I agree with your opinion. “Partners” will not experience pangs of conscience when delivering nuclear weapons strikes against any targets.
  21. +10
    7 June 2024 06: 18
    Quote: certero
    I can’t imagine what needs to happen for our leadership to decide to “give up.”
    Based on the menacing conversations that have been going on for three years now, which have not been followed by action.

    If you threaten something for a long time but actually do nothing, then you will become like a kind of boastful impotent who was exposed by one woman and told her friends that he has an “arsenal”, but it is not loaded. Then the braggart will turn from a sexual giant into a clown. It’s exactly the same here. With 50 shades of red
  22. +4
    7 June 2024 06: 24
    Since the author forgot Berki and Ticonedrogi, let’s do the math, at least according to Wiki:
    "As of April 2024, the Aegis BMDS system has completed 45 successful intercepts in 54 attempts to engage ballistic missile targets.
    ...
    Aegis missile defense uses RIM-161 Standard Missile 3 medium-range interceptors and RIM-156 Standard Extended Range Block IV (SM-2ER Block IV) interceptors developed by Raytheon. The Standard Missile 3 is a development of the SM2-ER Block IV, capable of intercepting ballistic missiles above the atmosphere (i.e., extra-atmospheric interception) midway through an enemy ballistic missile's flight.
    The SM-2ER Block IV can engage ballistic missiles in the atmosphere (i.e., intra-atmospheric interception) at the final stage of the missile's trajectory.
    ...
    As of October 2017, the US Navy operated 5 Ticonderoga-class cruisers and 28 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers (DDG 51–78), the US Navy's Arleigh Burke-class destroyers equipped with missile defense. Of the 33 ships, 17 are assigned to the Pacific Fleet and 16 to the Atlantic. [41] The Navy's 30-year shipbuilding plan for fiscal year 2015 (FY 2015–2043) projects the total number of Aegis cruisers and destroyers to be between 80 and 97 over the 30-year period.
    " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_Ballistic_Missile_Defense_System#:~:text=The%20Aegis%20ballistic%20missile%20defense,European%20NATO%20missile%20defense%20system

    Let's start a simple calculation"at least for 2017"
    Tiki: UVP for 122 cells * 5 = 610
    Burki: UVP for 96 cells * 28 = 2
    Total: 3 298 potential interceptor.
    The author of the article asks: “There will be somewhere 450-500 carriers with 2 charges. So how about we reflect that?”
    If you count the number of interceptors, what the author counted and what the author forgot (the curious reader can do this himself), then the answer is “yes, everything turns out sadly.”

    The author is also interested in: “What if we are still “stirring”?”
    Considering the above, I would like to refuse the author’s idea.
    Otherwise, the universal principle “We wanted the best, but it turned out as always” can work (c) Chernomyrdin.
    1. +1
      7 June 2024 07: 15
      Even in hothouse conditions, every 5th missile misses (45 out of 54). And the ratio is 1 to 1 (plus minus) in combat conditions, when electronic warfare is working, false targets are flying - nothing at all
    2. 0
      7 June 2024 08: 53
      Quote: Wildcat
      Let's start a simple calculation "at a minimum for 2017"
      Tiki: UVP for 122 cells * 5 = 610
      Burki: UVP for 96 cells * 28 = 2
      Total: 3 potential interceptors.
      The author of the article asks: “There will be somewhere around 450-500 carriers with 2 charges. And how about reflecting this?”

      Did you read the article carefully? These ships can only intercept the launching missiles of our SSBNs. But this is a very, very fantastic case. The ships must be located 50 kilometers from our nuclear submarine, which cannot go unnoticed by this very nuclear submarine. In space they can no longer intercept anything. Well, on the final stretch, well, yes, the unfaithful Tiki and Berkie have already learned to plow the deserts of Kansas and Texas. laughing wassat
      Quote: Wildcat
      Otherwise, the universal principle “We wanted the best, but it turned out as always” can work (c) Chernomyrdin.

      This is a universal principle, and as it turns out, it works in absolutely all countries and all governments.
      1. +2
        7 June 2024 11: 34
        . Tiki and Burky have already learned to plow the deserts of Kansas and Texas.

        Kansas no, Texas yes - the sea is nearby. In general, almost the entire American coast is a gigantic urbanized zone.
        1. +1
          7 June 2024 13: 09
          Quote: Negro
          In general, almost the entire American coast is a gigantic urbanized zone.

          After breeding the BB, it is almost useless to catch them. And even more so at the terminal site, in the deserts of Texas.
      2. 0
        8 June 2024 12: 13
        Quote: Zoer
        Tiki and Burky have already learned to plow the deserts of Kansas and Texas.

        In Ontario, "Burke" can be launched along the river, this is about the north. There are locks higher up, and I don’t understand them, but judging by the size of the container ships in the port of Milwaukee, they will sail into Lake Michigan and the Great Lake.
        From the south, the Mississippi is navigable as far as Memphis, where the river is only half a kilometer wide.
    3. +3
      7 June 2024 08: 57
      According to open sources, by now all 17 cruisers and 73 destroyers may be equipped with the Aegis system.
      But this is part of the rocket load. And by 2020, 515 such missiles were supposed to be delivered.
  23. +7
    7 June 2024 06: 32
    Come on, author, come on, nerds, it’s good to scare, this hasn’t bothered anyone for a long time.

    Although I'm more interested in the retaliatory strike, and not what will happen there. And will anything happen there? If our over-the-horizon missile defense systems are just chattering here.
    And will the permanent “leaders” here give the command to call their own people in London and Miami?

    Maybe they have already secured their insurance a long time ago and everything is out of order? And here you are spouting abbreviations like “Strategic Missile Forces, RGCh, GSN,” some kind of scribe.
  24. +6
    7 June 2024 06: 39
    I will comment at the very beginning of the article. About all sorts of shelters, the subway and other dungeons. Most people don’t imagine what it’s like to be there for a long time. No windows, a specific slight smell, mosquitoes even in winter, sometimes something oozes or drips somewhere. Dust, mold, fungi. Living there will only soon rot. For me it’s better right away.....
    1. +3
      7 June 2024 11: 31
      It is enough to survive the shock wave, plus a day or two until the radioactive dust from the epicenter settles down. Then it’s not that nature will clear up, but the background will drop to acceptable levels. It’s difficult to live a hundred years, but you won’t lose your ability to work/fight this very minute.
      1. 0
        7 June 2024 13: 12
        Quote: Negro
        It’s difficult to live a hundred years, but you won’t lose your ability to work/fight this very minute.

        Well, maybe combat effectiveness. But if there is no counter strike ON THEM, it will not be useful. Because it is not possible to fight against a modern unbeaten army with this:
        1. -1
          7 June 2024 13: 53
          But if there is no counter strike ON THEM, it will not be useful

          You are absolutely right. Therefore, if countries like the Russian Federation more or less do not care, then the United States, the only country capable of a counterforce strike, is critically important to be the first. Then the missile defense system will work quite reliably against the remnants of a retaliatory strike. But in general, if we talk about nuclear war, the main means is dispersal, then civil defense. If Red Square (and several other buildings) are not visible from your window, then you are relatively safe. If you live in Barnaul, Altai Territory, then you will find out about a nuclear strike when you go to the store (or when the humanitarian mission of the People's Army of China comes to you, so to speak, in tanks).
          After breeding the BB, it is almost useless to catch them.

          If we are talking about multiple warheads, then they will be caught either in the descending section or in the acceleration phase, if they do organize an orbital missile defense echelon.
          1. +2
            7 June 2024 13: 57
            Quote: Negro
            Therefore, if countries like the Russian Federation more or less do not care, then the United States, the only country capable of a counterforce strike, is critically important to be the first. Then the missile defense system will work quite reliably against the remnants of a retaliatory strike.

            Those. Do you think that the Russian Federation is not capable of a retaliatory strike?
            Quote: Negro
            If we are talking about multiple warheads, then they will be caught either in the descending section or in the acceleration phase, if they do organize an orbital missile defense echelon.

            Yes, we're talking about them. But I seriously believe that it is no longer possible to intercept the BB on the downward leg. During acceleration, in space, with many false targets, I also doubt it. The only truly vulnerable section, in my opinion, is the starting section, before the rocket gains speed and altitude, and deploys the warhead.
            1. -1
              7 June 2024 14: 23
              . Those. Do you think that the Russian Federation is not capable of a retaliatory strike?

              If we are talking about partners, then she is capable. In case of extremely careless work of partners. If the work is not sloppy, then a certain number of missiles will be lost - but quite small. Rough ammunition load of one submarine and/or several ground complexes.
              During acceleration, in space, with many false targets, I also doubt it.

              During acceleration, while the engines are running, there are no false targets. They are released during the flight phase by inertia.
              One of the SDI components was the Diamond Pebbles, a low-orbit constellation of interceptor satellites. They were supposed to attack the missiles with a kinetic impact as they exited the atmosphere. The engine flame cannot be hidden or camouflaged. It was planned to launch approximately 4 thousand of these things.

              So, a certain I. Musk, a private individual, already has 1.5 times more low-orbit satellites. So, Comrade Biden, just an order.

              On the descending section there is also nothing that contradicts the laws of physics. This was done back in the 60s.
              1. +2
                7 June 2024 14: 49
                Quote: Negro
                During acceleration, while the engines are running, there are no false targets. They are released during the flight phase by inertia.

                This meant when dispersing warheads together with complex targets after separation.
                Quote: Negro
                So, a certain I. Musk, a private individual, already has 1.5 times more low-orbit satellites. So, Comrade Biden, just an order.

                belay I didn’t know that Starlink satellites have their own remote control, guidance system and warhead!
                Quote: Negro
                On the descending section there is also nothing that contradicts the laws of physics. This was done back in the 60s.

                Can you send me a link to such events? Somehow I don’t understand how you can shoot down a 400 mm “projectile” moving at a speed of 6-7 km/s.
                1. 0
                  7 June 2024 15: 00
                  It's not necessary to shoot down. Safeguard program.
                  that Starlink satellites have their own remote control, guidance system and warhead!

                  Now you know. A warhead is not needed; kinetic destruction was planned there (in the SOI program). There is a remote control there, and a control system too - it controls the satellite to dodge space debris.

                  I did not write that Starlink satellites will directly shoot down ICBMs. I wrote that a satellite constellation program of the required scale has already been implemented by a private individual. As they say in other cases, we can repeat it.
                  This meant when dispersing warheads together with complex targets after separation.

                  This is another option. It is also implementable, that’s how GBI works. But in this case there are many difficulties that you mentioned.
                  1. +1
                    8 June 2024 21: 30
                    Quote: Negro
                    There is a remote control there, and a control system too - it controls the satellite to dodge space debris.

                    Sorry, but you're delusional!
                    Quote: Negro
                    I wrote that a satellite constellation program of the required scale has already been implemented by a private individual. As they say in other cases, we can repeat it.

                    Sorry, but this is again nonsense. Thousands of cheap passive repeaters are one thing, active combat satellites are another thing.
                    1. -1
                      8 June 2024 21: 52
                      . Sorry, but you're delusional!

                      I'm informing you. Of course, all Starlinks have a propulsion system (even if the thrust is insufficient for military purposes) and some kind of control system. Whose functions, of course, do not include intercepting ballistic missiles.
                      Thousands of cheap passive repeaters are one thing, active combat satellites are another thing.

                      The author forgot about this, but in the comments you were informed that transatmospheric kinetic interceptors with anti-satellite capabilities are produced in a small series: they are installed on SM-3 naval missiles. So we are talking about installing a production weapon on a production low-orbit platform. Nothing impossible, and even nothing particularly expensive.
                      1. 0
                        10 June 2024 10: 58
                        Quote: Negro
                        So we are talking about installing a production weapon on a production low-orbit platform. Nothing impossible, and even nothing particularly expensive.

                        Can you imagine the mass and dimensions of such orbital interceptors? It’s one thing to launch thousands of microsatellites, each weighing 30-50 kg, into orbit; another thing is the same number of full-fledged systems, weighing several tons. You don't need to believe in miracles. No.
                      2. 0
                        10 June 2024 11: 40
                        It is very difficult to find out the dimensions and weight of the upper stage of the SM-3, as well as the price of the assembled rocket.
                      3. 0
                        10 June 2024 12: 25
                        Quote: Negro
                        It is very difficult to find out the dimensions and weight of the upper stage of the SM-3, as well as the price of the assembled rocket.

                        Why did you decide that the space analogue of SM-3 will be equal to the mass and dimensions of only the upper stage of SM-3? What about a power source that will power the onboard system for years, and a supply of fuel for constant orbit correction? What about the fuel reserve for sudden maneuvers of the system, up to turning around and gaining speed? A POWERFUL propulsion system. allowing you to do such maneuvers? As if there was no more than the mass of the entire SM-3 rocket.
                        I'm telling you, stop doing magic outside of Hogwarts.
  25. +5
    7 June 2024 07: 19
    The author does not confuse much, the divine with the righteous! False targets are released just in space, when the body is not slowed down by the atmosphere. Then, both light and heavy blocks will fly at the same speed and selection is quite difficult. As soon as the warheads enter the atmosphere, all the light “husks,” especially some balls, as the author claims, will be washed away like foam in the ocean.
  26. +5
    7 June 2024 07: 24
    In Ukraine they “got crazy”, they broke in in a huge crowd, and we have been fighting stubbornly for three years now. At the same time, only Ukraine was not considered at all as a serious adversary. Now, of course, the leaders are to blame - they didn’t screw up like that and not then. Who would have thought that they would be supplied with weapons? And the advisers on the forums, of course, are not to blame, although they first of all said that we have a lot of hats, let’s throw them in.

    Well, let’s not consider the United States and NATO as serious adversaries either. And we don’t feel sorry for the several million of our citizens who will die - some faster, some slowly and painfully - greatness is worth the sacrifices.

    And I don’t feel sorry for the Russian nation, which is already dying out due to demographics, even though it will die first. But we will show everyone our impenetrable stupidity.
    1. 0
      7 June 2024 13: 18
      Quote: S.Z.
      Well, let’s not consider the United States and NATO as serious adversaries either. And we don’t feel sorry for the several million of our citizens who will die - some faster, some slowly and painfully - greatness is worth the sacrifices.

      And I don’t feel sorry for the Russian nation, which is already dying out due to demographics, even though it will die first. But we will show everyone our impenetrable stupidity.

      Fine. NATO officially organizes D-Day, i.e. opens a front in Ukraine, destroys our armed forces, captures Kaliningrad, LDPR, Crimea. What options do you offer us?
      1. -2
        7 June 2024 13: 48
        “Okay. NATO is officially organizing D-Day, i.e. opening the front in Ukraine, destroying our armed forces, capturing Kaliningrad, LDPR, Crimea. What options do you offer us?”

        Which of the above has a probability other than 0?

        Therefore, I propose to discuss real events.
        1. +1
          7 June 2024 13: 53
          Quote: S.Z.
          Which of the above has a probability other than 0?

          Answering a question with a question is bad manners if you didn’t know.
          In my opinion, ALL of this has far from zero probability. And Western leaders speak directly about this. And the same grandiose NATO exercise at our borders also clearly hints.
          So answer my question directly.
      2. 0
        7 June 2024 14: 30
        What options do you offer us?


        None. Weird question.
  27. +1
    7 June 2024 07: 42
    And why, for what and for whom is all this? Certainly not for the benefit of Russia and the Russian people. All this is a consequence of the mentality of those who are unable to live calmly and peacefully, without the “image of the enemy.”
    1. 0
      7 June 2024 08: 45
      Quote: tatra
      And why, for what and for whom is all this? Certainly not for the good of Russia and the Russian people

      This is already an extreme, hopeless case. Something tells me that if the United States and Co. manage to carry out the occupation of Russia, then the genocide of the Nazis will seem like baby talk. As they say, don’t drive a person into a corner, so that when looking for a way out, he doesn’t destroy the whole world.
      Quote: tatra
      All this is a consequence of the mentality of those who are unable to live calmly and peacefully, without the “image of the enemy.”

      Well, yes, we lived for 20 years without images, and kissed our “partners” on the gums. Eat now, don’t mess yourself up.
      PS: a strange post for the author with the USSR flag on the Ava. request
      1. -1
        7 June 2024 08: 52
        No one is going to attack us, they have never threatened to attack us.
        1. +5
          7 June 2024 09: 10
          Quote: tatra
          No one is going to attack us, they have never threatened to attack us.

          You can say that I have June 22 syndrome... But I fundamentally do not understand why these endless waves of NATO expansion are for. Why is the United States in full swing developing a strategy for a global disarming strike, why are they building a THIRD missile defense position area, and they started doing this even before 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX? Why are velvet revolutions being carried out in the CIS countries and outright Russophobes being placed at the helm? WHAT IS ALL THIS FOR?
          Yes, they’re probably not going to attack today or tomorrow, but it’s still scary to get a thermonuclear hell in response. But in my opinion, preparations are in full swing.
          PS: If you want peace, prepare for war. (With)
          Whoever chooses shame instead of war will receive both. (With)
          NOTHING has changed in centuries. Absolutely nothing! Neither ours nor theirs...
          1. 0
            7 June 2024 09: 16
            What does NATO expansion mean? And this is that the enemies of the USSR in other countries themselves want to join NATO. Moreover, now there is a real threat from strange neighbors who threaten everyone. That is why the Finnish enemies of the USSR, always non-aligned, joined NATO.
            1. +2
              7 June 2024 09: 34
              Quote: tatra
              And this is that the enemies of the USSR in other countries THEMSELVES want to join NATO

              laughing Mdassss. What kind of NATO do they want? Do they have an extra 2% of the budget? Why the hell was Georgia in NATO? Did you want it yourself? Don't be ridiculous!!!
              Quote: tatra
              Moreover, now there is a real threat from strange neighbors who threaten everyone

              Who was the Russian Federation threatening there? 8 years since the Euromaidan they chewed snot, signed Minsky TWO times, waited for them to come to their senses. If the Russian Federation had really threatened someone and was actually preparing for aggression, then the NWO would have taken place completely differently and very quickly. And the same Finns and Swedes have been de facto members of NATO for so long, so there is no need to harbor any illusions here. With Georgia and Ukraine everything is completely different.
              PS: yes, change the ava to a rainbow. Don't disgrace the symbol of a great country.
              1. -2
                7 June 2024 09: 39
                Why do Russian enemies of the USSR still “live” in other countries? Either they can’t get rid of the USSR for 32 years, or they are interested in what is happening in the countries of the enemies of the USSR, on the territory of the former USSR, and in countries around the world.
                Maybe you’ll finally get involved in Russia?
                And your attitude towards the separatists - you showed it in Chechnya.
                1. +4
                  7 June 2024 09: 56
                  Quote: tatra
                  Why do Russian enemies of the USSR still “live” in other countries?

                  laughing Hmmm, it feels like Russian is not your native language)))
                  Where else could they live, on Mars or what?
                  Quote: tatra
                  but they can’t get rid of the USSR for 32 years, then they are interested in what is happening in the countries of the enemies of the USSR on the territory of the former USSR, and in the countries of the world

                  Wherever the United States pokes its nose, it’s like that. And they stick their nose EVERYWHERE.
                  Quote: tatra
                  And your attitude towards the separatists - you showed it in Chechnya.

                  And what do you think we showed, Madame Tatra from the Czech Republic?
                  1. -3
                    7 June 2024 10: 03
                    What kind of totalitarian manner do the enemies of the USSR try to immediately slander all dissidents in order to discredit them? Is this your “freedom of speech” that you so craved under the USSR?
                    And you, enemies of the USSR, both in the Soviet and in your anti-Soviet periods, were always pro-Western, “rushing with your breasts” to defend the enemies of the USSR in the West and in Europe. And what happened that you suddenly immediately became anti-Western?
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                      1. +1
                        7 June 2024 10: 10
                        I, unlike the enemies of the USSR, am a true patriot of my country and people - both the USSR and the Soviet people, and Russia and the Russian / Russian people. Therefore, I am always for what is better for my country and people, and from what is happening now - to put it very mildly - there will be no benefit to Russia and the people.
                    2. +3
                      7 June 2024 10: 18
                      Quote: tatra
                      What kind of totalitarian manner do the enemies of the USSR try to immediately slander all dissidents in order to discredit them? Is this your “freedom of speech” that you so craved under the USSR?

                      Who are YOU enemies of the USSR? I personally really regret that such a country was destroyed and sold to the West. But that's my personal opinion.
                      Quote: tatra
                      The enemies of the USSR, both in the Soviet and in your anti-Soviet periods, were always pro-Western, “rushing” to defend the enemies of the USSR in the West and in Europe. And what happened that you suddenly immediately became anti-Western?

                      So everything is simple here. The rotten communists sold the USSR for the purpose of personal gain and access to Western benefits. Now these new elites feel that they will be bullied, and this is precisely why the expansion of NATO, and the US missile defense system, and so on. In general, these thieves realized that they would NEVER become one of their own for the West.
                      1. -1
                        7 June 2024 10: 32
                        You undertake to answer my questions about you, the enemies of the USSR, but you are not able to answer them. And again this eternal cowardly “and we have nothing to do with it, then it’s all the communists’ fault.” For the enemies of the USSR, this is already a reflex, like Pavlov’s dog, at the slightest hint of what they themselves did.
                      2. +2
                        7 June 2024 10: 39
                        Quote: tatra
                        You undertake to answer my questions about you, the enemies of the USSR, but you are not able to answer them. And again this eternal cowardly “and we have nothing to do with it, then it’s all the communists’ fault.” For the enemies of the USSR, this is already a reflex, like Pavlov’s dog, at the slightest hint of what they themselves did.

                        Firstly, the people of the USSR at the referendum on March 17.03.1991, XNUMX clearly spoke out in favor of preserving the USSR.
                        Secondly, I personally consider the actual collapse of the USSR to be June 12.06.1990, XNUMX, when they signed the Declaration of State Sovereignty of the RSFSR. It is obvious that the people of the USSR could not influence this decision in any way, although it was supposedly made by “people's deputies”.
                        Thirdly, when the USSR was destroyed, I was not even ten years old...
                        Fourthly, if you don’t understand that the USSR was dismantled from ABOVE, then there’s nothing to talk to you about at all.
                      3. +1
                        8 June 2024 04: 07
                        State sovereignty belonged to all Soviet republics in accordance with the Union Treaty.

                        Unions are created for the sake of sovereignty, because for real sovereignty in this world you need to have at least 200-300 million people. And only participation in an equal Union can ensure real sovereignty. For example, all EU countries or US states are sovereign states.
                      4. 0
                        10 June 2024 09: 52
                        Quote: ivan2022
                        All Soviet republics had state sovereignty in accordance with the union treaty.

                        Yes, but the laws of the USSR prevailed over the republican ones. And they did not have the right to exit by unilateral decision. After June 12.06.1990, XNUMX, these opportunities appeared.
                      5. +1
                        8 June 2024 04: 16
                        Yeltsin and his friends denounced the Union Treaty at night under a bush near Brest on December 8, 1991.. And in March 1996, the State Duma of the Russian Federation qualified this action as treason. Nobody canceled the State Duma resolution.

                        If deputies of the Supreme Court committed a criminal offense on December 12, 1991, when they approved Yeltsin’s decision, then it does not cease to be a crime today.
                      6. 0
                        7 June 2024 16: 38
                        And you give up the benefits of the West - start with gadgets, by buying them you are sponsoring NATO, put on bast shoes and matting and go into the forest from the benefits of enemy civilization. Go ahead and good luck to you,
                      7. 0
                        10 June 2024 09: 49
                        Quote: Torp20
                        And you give up the benefits of the West - start with gadgets, by buying them you are sponsoring NATO, put on bast shoes and matting and go into the forest from the benefits of enemy civilization. Go ahead and good luck to you,

                        Even the Khinzirs are in no hurry to abandon Soviet weapons and infrastructure. We help them and help them, but they still don’t help.
                        And so do Westerners from our oil and gas. And also titanium, uranium, aluminum, etc., etc. And those benefits are far from being completely Western. Our resources are there, production is in China. So, you shouldn’t look at the questions one-sidedly. no matter how much you want it.
        2. +2
          7 June 2024 09: 41
          No one is going to attack us, they have never threatened to attack us.

          Only enemies of the USSR and communists can say this. laughing
          1. -5
            7 June 2024 09: 42
            Ha, the enemies of the communists have “enemies all around” - both within the country and in the world.
            1. +4
              7 June 2024 09: 44
              Ha, the enemies of the communists have “enemies all around” - both within the country and in the world.

              I also found the USSR and the communists. They also had enemies all around. Inside - of course. wink
              1. -2
                7 June 2024 09: 51
                What kind of bad manner is it to always “turn the switch?” On the territory of the USSR, the people were and are divided into those who are FOR the USSR and those who are AGAINST the USSR. Those who are against the USSR have nothing for themselves.
                1. +5
                  7 June 2024 10: 10
                  What kind of bad manner is it to always “turn the switch?” On the territory of the USSR, the people were and are divided into those who are FOR the USSR and those who are AGAINST the USSR. Those who are against the USSR have nothing for themselves.

                  Irina, this is a very unusual comment for you, an ardent communist and adherent of the USSR.
                  No one is going to attack us, they have never threatened to attack us.


                  What kind of right-wing deviation do you happen to have fallen into the sin of liberalism? laughing
                  1. +2
                    7 June 2024 10: 41
                    Quote: Arzt
                    What kind of right-wing deviation do you happen to have fallen into the sin of liberalism? laughing

                    laughing It's five!!!
  28. +2
    7 June 2024 07: 48
    What if we still “suffer”?
    - if my grandmother had...
    1. 0
      7 June 2024 09: 39
      Quote: Reklastik
      What if we still “suffer”?
      - if my grandmother had...

      You got the timing wrong a bit. It would be correct to say - And if my grandmother grows up... And with modern medicine, the possibility is not excluded...
      1. 0
        7 June 2024 09: 44
        It would be correct to say: And if my grandmother grows...
        - you’ve confused it a little with probabilities here, but the Russian people are wise laughing And if not, then find out who will “raise” her laughing
        1. 0
          7 June 2024 10: 00
          Quote: Reklastik
          And if not, then find out who will “raise” her laughing

          The USA will grow it, they are experts at trangenders))) They will drive the permanent grandmother into a corner, and everything will immediately grow. Well, I think so...
          1. +1
            7 June 2024 11: 42
            They will drive the permanent grandmother into a corner, and everything will immediately grow.
            - Grandmas seem immortal, but they are not.
            1. 0
              7 June 2024 13: 20
              Quote: Reklastik
              - Grandmas seem immortal, but they are not.

              It doesn’t matter anymore if grandma has a nuclear button.
  29. +2
    7 June 2024 08: 14
    The United States now has as many as three THAAD batteries, each of three launchers with a total of 24 interceptor missiles. That is, 72 interceptor missiles in one salvo.

    We open the latest newsletter from the Congressional Research Service from April of this year - The Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) System.
    We read.
    The Army currently has seven THAAD batteries.

    The Army currently has seven THAAD batteries
    .
    A THAAD battery consists of 95 soldiers, six truck mounted launchers, 48 ​​interceptors (eight per launcher), one Army/Navy Transportable Radar Surveillance and Control Mode 2 (AN/TPY-2) radar, and a Tactical Fire
    Control/Communications component.

    The THAAD battery includes 95 personnel and six launchers with forty-eight missiles (eight per launcher), one mobile detection radar system, control radar (AN/TPY-2) and communications equipment.

    Even if we exclude two batteries (one in Guam, the second in South Korea), by simple calculations (48 x 5) we get 240 missiles in one salvo.
    In addition, for some reason the author excluded from the United States national missile defense one of its main components - 38 ships with the Aegis system and SM-2 Block 4, SM3 and SM-6 missiles and the Aegis Ashore battery in Romania (and a second one at the exit in Poland).
    With such planning you can get into a lot of trouble.
  30. -2
    7 June 2024 08: 20
    The entire history of the adoption of treaties limiting strategic offensive arms is a vivid example of an error in strategic planning on the part of the Soviet Union and Russia. There is a long-standing difference in the technological equipment of weapons. And since the times of the USSR it has not decreased - rather, it has increased. Previously, when the USSR had many thousands of launch vehicles in combat readiness, no missile defense system in the states would have been able to cope with even a fifth of the incoming missiles. Therefore, the United States managed to radically change the balance of forces - according to the concluded agreements, the number of carriers of nuclear weapons was reduced several times. The traitor Gorbachev especially distinguished himself - the explanations and exhortations of the military were empty words for him. And with the withdrawal from the ABM Treaty, the United States greatly strengthened the capabilities of its very diverse missile defense systems and, moreover, placed them closer to the borders of Russia. That is, they have a real chance to win a nuclear war by launching a preemptive strike. Our top leadership began to twitch - they began to put technologically more advanced missiles on combat duty with an increased ability to overcome missile defense. And now, in my opinion, only silo and mobile installations with new missiles are holding back the aggressor. But the United States is looking for and finding new ways to reduce the risk of unacceptable damage. In addition, our military doctrine is defensive in nature - it stipulates only a retaliatory and retaliatory strike. But, given the current balance of forces, in my opinion, this will not only lead to the destruction of Russia as a state, but also to terrible, huge and irreparable victims of the country’s population. A preventive nuclear strike on the United States and Europe must be provided. The military still has the ability to assess the degree of threat of an attack, and the means of assessing the threat need to be improved. Increasing the number of military satellites, infiltrating NATO cyber networks, creating sleeping viruses capable of shutting down or interfering with the use of significant objects on command...
    Now about the article.
    Superficial, mischievous, harmful.
    Well, the conclusion: at present, only by inflicting a comprehensive pre-emptive (as it is now called - preventive) strike by all means can one achieve victory over the evil empire and gay Europe.
  31. +6
    7 June 2024 08: 21
    The Central Bank, the government and the Moscow Region need to be “grubbed”. This is where the grant-eaters and traitors sit. First of all, regarding the Central Bank.
    .
    The guarantee of Victory is the imprisonment of Nabiulina, Siluanov, Shoigu. And Khusnulin and Manturov who joined them, and not a nuclear strike on Washington.
  32. 0
    7 June 2024 08: 34
    Considering that warheads (WU) fly through the atmosphere in 5 minutes

    Where does this figure come from? The presence of the atmosphere is considered at an altitude of up to 100 km. Even if we assume that throughout this entire section the rate of decline of the BB is 1,5 km/s, then it comes out to 66 seconds. In fact, the speed of the BB at an altitude of 100 km is significantly higher than 1,5 km/s, i.e. the time of the atmospheric segment is even shorter.
  33. -2
    7 June 2024 08: 39
    The article does not at all consider options for suppressing enemy missile defense. For example, the first nuclear warhead is detonated at an altitude of 100-200 km above US territory, which completely jams all radars and electronics in general, and then the main warrant flies)))) With such an attack, even a modest leak from the DPRK would be enough to halve the US population, with Pyongyang has long-range missiles.)))
  34. -1
    7 June 2024 08: 45
    Of course it's not pleasant. But mostly these are all horror stories about nuclear winter and the end of civilization. Designed for a stupid herd. Who loves scary fairy tales. Nothing like that will happen. Yes, of course there will be destruction and death. There will be local contamination of the area. Epidemics and famine may begin. Again, locally. But nothing more. Do not believe the nonsense that is poured into your ears. Nuclear winter is just a theory. And besides, it has not been verified by anyone. Like “British scientists say...”.
    1. 0
      7 June 2024 09: 47
      "British scientists say...."
      Soviet scientists also announced it. But there were more nuclear bombs then.
    2. +1
      7 June 2024 13: 32
      Quote: Yuri Zhuk
      But mostly these are all horror stories about nuclear winter and the end of civilization. Designed for a stupid herd. Who loves scary fairy tales. Nothing like that will happen. Yes, of course there will be destruction and death. There will be local contamination of the area. Epidemics and famine may begin. Again locally

      Can you somehow justify your IMHO? What the hell is local? Can you imagine what it will be like from 10 BB for 100-200 CT in any multimillion-dollar metropolis? What will happen if nuclear power plants, state district power stations, and industrial centers are destroyed? It is enough to destroy 10-20 semiconductor production centers in the world, and it will be impossible to restore all electronics. Without this, everything will collapse and slide towards the end of the 19th century. For reference, by the end of the 19th century the world's population was 1,6 billion. Now it is 8. Do you think this is local?
      1. 0
        11 June 2024 18: 57
        You see, all these numbers are just made-up statistics. If not from something lower. In our world, all tech hubs, as well as all information, are duplicated. So based on this, the collapse of civilization is not expected. Of course, it’s possible to hit a multi-million dollar spot. Our dear partners are counting on this. Fortunately, I have experience. Hiroshima, Nagasaki.... But the world has changed. And the answer will be much worse. And multidimensional. In addition, given the current situation in delivery vehicles. I think there is no doubt about this.
  35. +7
    7 June 2024 08: 50
    I didn’t know that Skomorokhov was an expert in the field of nuclear weapons and missile defense. In vain he published it on Review. Such an expert assessment would be translated and published by the Times, New York Times, etc.
    But seriously: after such publications, Oborzenie can no longer be called a military man - it’s just ordinary jaundice.
    1. -1
      11 June 2024 19: 01
      Your Times are precisely patients diagnosed with hepatitis X. And we are simple people here...
  36. 0
    7 June 2024 09: 07
    The THAAD battery consists of 9 launchers, each with 8 missiles.
    7 batteries total 514 missiles (an 2025th battery will be delivered by 8)
    The Aegis system is equipped with 17 Ticonderoga cruisers (each with 122 missiles of different types), 73 destroyers Airlie Burke (each with 96 missiles).
    By 2020, they planned to deploy 515 Aegis missiles.
    Taking into account the ongoing production of Aegis and silo missiles, approximately 2024 extra-atmospheric anti-ballistic interceptor missiles are expected to be deployed by 1200.
    Considering the Patriots, the US East Coast is well covered. The rest of the territory is not.
    1. +2
      7 June 2024 12: 41
      Have you decided to outdo the author, only in the opposite direction?
      The THAAD battery consists of 9 PU

      Out of six. Accordingly - 7 batteries - 6 x 8 x 7 = 336 missiles.
      The Aegis system is equipped with 17 Ticonderoga cruisers (each with 122 missiles of different types), 73 destroyers Airlie Burke (each with 96 missiles).

      Firstly, there are currently only 13 Ticonderoga-class cruisers afloat. Secondly, there is the Aegis combat system, and there is its “anti-missile” version - the Aegis ballistic missile defense system (Aegis BMD). Today, 5 cruisers and 33 destroyers are equipped with this “anti-missile” version - a total of 38 ships.
      Arleigh Burke-class destroyers have 90 UVP cells - 1 × 29-cell, 1 × 61-cell (90 total cells).
      1. +2
        7 June 2024 14: 13
        Thanks for the link to the Congressional Research Service.
        You are right about the number of launchers in the THAAD battery and about the number of cruisers in the fleet.

        As for the Arleigh Burke class, variants starting with Flight IIa (since 2000) are equipped with 96 cells.
        And according to Congress, the number of BMD capable [Aegis] ships in December 2023 is 49, by October 2024 should increase to 53, in 2030 to 69, and this takes into account the decommissioning of all cruisers by 2028.
        In 2024-2028 must purchase 242 missiles, even if 10% of them are spent on exercises, each destroyer included in the program will have 16 missiles, don’t they believe it?
        If so, there would be 50 extra-atmospheric missiles on 800 ships equipped with Aegis missiles, a number that would rise to 2030 missiles by 1100.
      2. -1
        11 June 2024 19: 22
        As recent events in the Red Sea have shown. All these show-offs are nothing more than a trough of crap. This is still the Hesidim riveting on their knees... So don’t pay attention. The dog barks, the caravan moves on... Here it would be better to announce at the state level a 300-kilometer zone for Russian weapons. When threatened. And duplicate this for Cuba as well. The US has said its thing, but Russia is silent. And it gets by by rearranging something. And empty talk. The General Staff has already been cleaned up. And it’s like a horse’s hoof in the balls. Either decide, or just stand in a pose to be fucked. What are you waiting for? That in respected partners the penis will dry out? Unreal. They've all been on Viagra for a long time.
  37. +8
    7 June 2024 09: 25
    Daily masturbation club of atomic destruction named after Skomorokhov. This war will end someday, maybe in a year, maybe in two years. Normality will return, shopping will return, maybe even Putin will be invited to foreign celebrations again. Oligarchs and government dignitaries will once again travel to the rotten west, visiting their children, sunbathing on the beaches of Spain and dining on the French Riviera. Only at VO nothing will change; they will continue to discuss nuclear destruction with despair and disappointment and compare which country has the bigger missile. soldier
  38. +2
    7 June 2024 09: 39
    Yes, hold your horses, gentlemen “zhahalshiki”, I have not yet completed the anti-nuclear bunker, or then give up yours to me and my family, since you can’t bear to “sunbathe” under the hydrogen “sun”.
  39. +3
    7 June 2024 09: 45
    For some reason, they always look at the number of warheads, but no one considers the collateral damage. Arriving at one single nuclear power plant with 4 units will do so much business that the nuclear charge itself will seem like a petard.
    And a nuclear strike on chemical production would release so much poison...
  40. kvv
    +2
    7 June 2024 09: 45
    where are we going, just look into the cowardly eyes of the one who strikes first
  41. 0
    7 June 2024 09: 47
    Guys, don't be afraid. Nuclear weapons have been reduced 7 times since perestroika. What remains covers an area at most the size of France. We will survive, the main thing is to choose the right place.
    PS (In secret - it’s better in the Southern Hemisphere,,,). love
    1. +3
      7 June 2024 10: 03
      Nuclear weapons have been reduced 7 times since perestroika.
      On the next thread, the forum general rubbed into me that one Sarmatian would cover all of California. And in the case of an English salvo in the Russian Federation, the probability of at least 2-3 warheads arriving at the target is 10%. So sleep peacefully - the adversary's missiles will break on the kosher... ugh, the strong firmament of the sky. Well, America is screwed, that’s clear.
      1. +1
        7 June 2024 11: 02
        On the next thread, the forum general rubbed into me that one Sarmatian would cover all of California. And in the case of an English salvo in the Russian Federation, the probability of at least 2-3 warheads arriving at the target is 10%. So sleep peacefully - the adversary's missiles will break on the kosher... ugh, the strong firmament of the sky. Well, America is screwed, that’s clear.

        Something like this, in fact.
        1. +3
          7 June 2024 11: 08
          Something like that, yes. Khan to South Central 100% sad .
          The catch is that covering a mountainous state is much more difficult and costly than a flat one.
  42. +2
    7 June 2024 10: 57
    The American military-industrial complex, oddly enough, cannot have the goal of destroying Russia and China.
    Why? Because in the long term it is not profitable, without the threat of how to forge trillions on prodigies?
    I’m not talking about a real possibility, but about goal setting.
    And the fact that the McCains, Grahams, Bidens, Macrons are breaking through to the forefront is acceptable for the financial industry and the military-industrial complex to aggravate the situation, and accordingly, the military-industrial complex is provided with orders for years to come, and the financial international draws money for the complete purchase of Ukraine, Georgia, Poland and other “uncultivated lands” ".
    Is mutual destruction in the interests of the “owners of money”? That's unlikely.
    Moreover, there is a possibility of losing even a nuclear war (I will not specify why).
    But the goal of driving everyone into a stall with the help of economic banditry, the WHO and its controlled epidemics, the “digitalization of everything”, which for some reason is being pushed in our country, the destruction of religious and moral foundations throughout the world... this is the principle - any structuring is made out of chaos . You can make cutlets from minced meat, but not from fried kebab or bozbash.
    In the meantime, more voltage in the world means more current (money). Only you wouldn’t get a breakdown. But this doesn’t always work out.
    A warning is a missed spark, and as such there may now be a real detonation of nuclear weapons, and a convincing one at that. For example, the launch of a Dagger with a special warhead, so that it is clear: the rocket has launched, 100 seconds have passed - x km has been covered, explosion! Let it be at the Novaya Zemlya Test Site, but then let all the Norgs and Finns and Swedes count whether they have time to brush their teeth, if anything.
    Will they be called aggressive? It doesn’t matter, they’ll call it that, but let them shit their pants.
    And a list of not sanctions, but personal goals should be drawn up: Windsors, Rockefellers, Morgans, Rothschilds, Bill Gates, Du Ponts, and so on...
    Those who must be destroyed in the event of a nuclear conflict. Let them fight for peace, without bullshit, like Brezhnev and Gorbachev. Yes, don’t forget to include these, with the surname (or hereditary profession?) like Nuland’s husband.
  43. +2
    7 June 2024 10: 57
    I don’t agree about Hwanseong. Yes, if you count the distance from the launch point to the fall point, it was 4000 km. But at the same time, the rocket took off more than 200 km. Knowledgeable people immediately recalculated the energy of the rocket to a flat trajectory and it turned out to be about 10000 km. So it was not in vain that the Americans tensed up.
  44. -3
    7 June 2024 11: 00
    Quote: Zoer
    Quote: tatra
    No one is going to attack us, they have never threatened to attack us.

    You might say I have June 22nd syndrome...

    Don’t you have the syndrome of September 17, 1939, when the Red Army and the Wehrmacht carried out their offensive in Poland?)
    1. +4
      7 June 2024 13: 47
      Quote: Zufei
      Don’t you have the syndrome of September 17, 1939, when the Red Army and the Wehrmacht carried out their offensive in Poland?)

      Well, as if the Munich meeting on September 29, 1938 happened a little earlier. As a result of which the same Germany and then Poland also carried out their own SVO, tearing apart Czechoslovakia.
      Then there were the Moscow negotiations, in April-August 1939, at which the British and France sent Stalin away. And only after that there was a pact with Germany.
      So there is no need to distort, Mr. Lied.
      1. -3
        7 June 2024 18: 42
        After the joint parade in Brest, there is no need to complain about the “treacherous” morning of June 22.
        1. 0
          10 June 2024 09: 43
          Quote: Zufei
          After the joint parade in Brest, there is no need to complain about the “treacherous” morning of June 22.

          After the Munich agreement, there is no need to whine about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. They wanted to feed Hitler with Russia, but they are also disadvantaged by something after that. fool
  45. 0
    7 June 2024 11: 36
    Integrated defensive-offensive ocean-land-space complex
    That's what we needed, and we wouldn't have hemorrhoids now
  46. -3
    7 June 2024 11: 43
    The article is very timely in light of the words of the GDP about the provision of missiles to the opponents of the hegemon...
  47. -4
    7 June 2024 11: 49
    There is no point in complaining about the USA, but regarding some of the out-of-touch EU members, Vladimir Putin said that it is unknown how the US people will behave. Most likely they will puff away, but they will not agree to a full-scale nuclear war. You can live in Spain, Germany or Romania, but in Britain you shouldn’t, because it is actually the 51st state of the USA. There’s no need to covet the Poles either - it’s too close to Belarus.
  48. -1
    7 June 2024 11: 55
    It's funny to even read all this. If there is an exchange of blows, then no one will survive either here or there. And the Americans will not be able to intercept the vast majority of missiles, nor Russia. Therefore, there is no need to even discuss such options. If this was understood in the Soviet Union, then it should be understood in Russia. Nothing has changed since then.
  49. -1
    7 June 2024 12: 12
    Gagging is a good idea in itself. But this is not done from the beginning. You need to prepare for this for at least ten years. That is, make a decision on the first strike, not tell anyone about it, develop a preparation plan and carefully implement it. Prepare the forces of the first strike. Prepare to repel the enemy's retaliatory strike. Prepare to continue the war and finish off the enemy. Prepare your own country. Reserve and disperse infrastructure and industry. Acquire missing technologies. Build bomb shelters for the population. Create strategic reserves of everything that will be in short supply after the war - from stewed meat and window glass to microcircuits and spare parts for aircraft.

    And all this must be done in such a way that no one can guess what exactly you are preparing for.
  50. +2
    7 June 2024 13: 00
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    On the next thread, the forum general rubbed into me that one Sarmatian would cover all of California.

    Come on, fellow citizens, what kind of Sarmatian is this? There is no Sarmatian. There were only throw tests. Before adoption, it was still like cancer before China. They just accepted the mace. For more than 20 years they “finished it”. True, there is an “expired” Satan, which is also not bad.
  51. +4
    7 June 2024 13: 03
    The United States proceeds from the assumption that it will not launch the first strike. “Because...” - because their opponents repeat the mantra that there are no winners in a nuclear war. But in the USA they think that they CAN BE.
    Now, if necessary, then chiki-bricks, and you can fray everything so that the environment, of course, will be great, but not “Fallout” and they will cry and forget. In the USA itself, of course.
    That is, they (I believe) are considering retaliatory or retaliatory strikes from their opponents, in conditions when the United States itself has gone “white”. In this case, they (in their minds) manage to take out a certain % of our starting potential, take out part of the organization, which will lead to the activation of the remaining potential being spread out over time. In other words, they hope to catch us at the moment when we have just begun to urinate, are urinating, or have just finished - and use this moment to the fullest.
    For this they need very good. skillful and operational reconnaissance of the non-stop situation, powerful analytics and covert carriers of nuclear weapons, as well as a chain of bases near the borders. They also, of course, benefit from their fleet and aviation - and the fact that they have a lot of all this. At the right moment, having good mobility, they will be where they need to be and they will have the opportunity to develop the situation rapidly.
  52. +1
    7 June 2024 13: 40
    The question is not even a question of combat readiness; everything was always in order here, fortunately the playful hands of reformers have no time for this issue. The question is that “there are no analogues in the world” in reality and in the form and quantity in which mantras were read to us from each iron. But as practice and war show, realities are very far from declarations and expectations. What I see in the correspondents’ reports is the same thing with which we chased spirits in Afghanistan and in the Caucasus Mountains, but somehow it’s not very good with the “analogues in the world”.
  53. +2
    7 June 2024 14: 19
    The enemy of my enemy, my friend is one of the fundamental principles of foreign policy.
    It is high time for Russia to adhere to this rule and begin full cooperation in the development of nuclear technologies with Iran and North Korea.

    We have something to offer, and even the Soviet developments of the 70-80s will be very interesting to them, and in return we could receive hundreds of thousands of “volunteers”, echelons of tanks, missiles and ammunition from Iran and North Korea for the Northern Military District and the upcoming confrontation with NATO.

    The nuclear “club” in Iran and North Korea, capable of hitting the United States, should have a very sobering effect on the Western “hegemons” and thereby ease external pressure on Russia.
  54. 0
    7 June 2024 14: 42
    The paradox of Pro is that a developed Pro, capable of repelling a massive nuclear strike, provokes the enemy to start a nuclear war before its completion, so that there is no one-sided massacre. This is largely why Pro is not being developed much.
  55. 0
    7 June 2024 14: 52
    Roman already has a number of articles about the nuclear war of Russia and the West :-) but why are they? Of course, those in the Kremlin are not thinkers like Roosevelt, Stalin, Lenin, Churchill :-) but they have an understanding that there should be no nuclear war... and why should the Russian Federation openly fight with the United States and the West? this is completely unreasonable...
    1. -2
      8 June 2024 10: 28
      Moreover, the author is not at all interested in the issue of the combat effectiveness of our nuclear weapons due to the fact that the service life of nuclear weapons is not at all unlimited... and new nuclear weapons are not produced in the Russian Federation
      1. 0
        8 June 2024 12: 29
        Quote: Alexander Igorevich Rifeev
        but new nuclear weapons are not produced in the Russian Federation

        How do you know?
        1. -1
          8 June 2024 17: 31
          reactors (there were 15 in total) for the production of weapons-grade plutonium were stopped back in 1994 ... the last one operated in power mode until 2009 and then it was also stopped ... weapons-grade uranium was stopped produced in 1990 ... under the 1994 agreement they committed not to produce fissile materials materials for nuclear weapons
          1. 0
            8 June 2024 17: 49
            Quote: Alexander Igorevich Rifeev
            under the 1994 treaty they committed themselves not to produce fissile materials for nuclear weapons

            But can we recycle the existing ones?
            1. 0
              8 June 2024 17: 56
              after 18 years of service of a plutonium warhead, send it only for disposal - it, in principle, cannot work properly and no reprocessing of its nuclear material will help .... a uranium warhead lasts longer - 30 years ... but then also for disposal - it also loses the ability to operate normally and reprocess its nuclear substance makes no sense.... alas...
              1. 0
                8 June 2024 18: 54
                Quote: Alexander Igorevich Rifeev
                after 18 years of service of a plutonium warhead, only send it for disposal - in principle, it cannot work properly and no amount of processing of its nuclear material will help.... a uranium warhead lasts longer - 30 years...

                Well, that is, we no longer have suitable nuclear warheads? Do Americans know about this?
                1. -1
                  9 June 2024 09: 34
                  probably they don’t know - after all, Mikhail Zadornov has been talking about them for thirty years - WELL, STUPID ... and probably out of stupidity they forced Yeltsin in 1994 to sign an agreement to stop the production of fissile materials for nuclear weapons ... well, really, the Americans are stupid ... what can you get from them ... so the war between Ukraine and the Russian Federation began in 2022, and not let’s say in 2014 or 2008 ...
                  1. 0
                    9 June 2024 10: 08
                    Quote: Alexander Igorevich Rifeev
                    well, the Americans are really stupid... what can you take from them... so the war between Ukraine and the Russian Federation began in 2022, and not let’s say in 2014 or 2008...

                    An interesting point of view.
  56. 0
    7 June 2024 15: 11
    >>>A three-stage rocket, almost 17 meters long and weighing 13 tons, launches into orbit a kinetic transatmospheric interceptor, which accelerates to 10 km/sec<<
    Such a rocket cannot accelerate above the first escape velocity. 7,9.
  57. 0
    7 June 2024 15: 32
    The point is that you have to be the first to hit, otherwise they will simply destroy you! And when you strike first, there is a chance that not all missiles will arrive, which means that the chance of survival is higher. About air defense, etc. some of the missiles will be shot down!
  58. -1
    7 June 2024 16: 54
    Lately I’ve often been listening to the song “...goodbye America ooo...”, I’m liking this song more and more.
  59. 0
    7 June 2024 18: 45
    There is only 1 species of people left on Earth - sapiens. The rest died out. Do we want to repeat the fate of our unlucky relatives? If this is so, then we are not the pinnacle of evolution, but its mistake - a biological species that destroyed itself.
  60. +1
    7 June 2024 18: 49
    Quote: Zoer
    The article does not at all consider options for suppressing enemy missile defense. For example, the first nuclear warhead is detonated at an altitude of 100-200 km above US territory, which completely jams all radars and electronics in general, and then the main warrant flies

    Sorry, but you’d better turn off the star TV channel, maybe then you’ll be closer to reality
  61. -1
    7 June 2024 18: 50
    Quote: opuonmed
    you have to hit first

    Already hit and landed in a puddle
  62. +2
    7 June 2024 18: 52
    Quote: Zufei
    After the joint parade in Brest, there is no need to complain about the “treacherous” morning of June 22.

    What nonsense? Joint? Only German troops took part in the parade; only Krivoshein and his tank crews were there as spectators.
  63. -1
    7 June 2024 18: 53
    Quote: KSVK
    Come on, fellow citizens, what kind of Sarmatian is this?

    + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
  64. -1
    7 June 2024 18: 54
    Quote: Igor Polovodov
    The article is very timely in light of the words

    We don’t go further than words in the modern history of Russia
  65. 0
    7 June 2024 21: 26
    Are you sure that from our side at least something will start regarding the children and real estate of “our” elite?
  66. +2
    7 June 2024 23: 12
    Dear author! Your article is interesting and deserves attention. I hope that you will write an article entitled “What if NATO still wants Russia,” in which you will reveal Russia’s defense potential. Show us the capabilities of our anti-missile missiles. What kind of protection system does the Russian Federation have, how many levels. Loss percentage. How many and which of our territories will be affected and contaminated. Your proposals on nuclear weapons and protection. Thank you.
  67. +2
    8 June 2024 00: 12
    Quote from tsvetahaki
    Quote from turembo
    I just look at our elite and I don’t see a single person who can press that very button if something happens.

    Everything is clear with the “elite”. Compare two scenarios
    1. A button is pressed. The elite in comfortable bunkers eat the best canned food and breathe air filtered by the best filters, relax in a microgreenhouse where there are 5 real trees.
    2. The button is not pressed. Even if Russia has collapsed - the elite vacation in the Maldives, eat the freshest organic food in Michelin-starred restaurants, live in one of the villas in places with the highest air quality.

    Well, she's not a crazy "button presser"

    Oh those stupid demagogues...
    Option 2, seriously? Are our elites sitting in the boring taiga? Or how do they hope to wait until half of Russia is in ruins? You can have any number of yachts and palaces in the West, but if you are sitting in Moscow and missiles are flying towards Moscow with a nuclear greeting, then there will be only one option, dragging your enemies along with you
  68. +1
    8 June 2024 00: 30
    The psychological aspect when creating missile defense systems is an important thing. An example of the Moscow missile defense system. 64 silo interceptors from this category.
  69. 0
    8 June 2024 17: 53
    In general, there is no point in the West hungering. Russia is dying out and if there is one thing it is increasing, it is its technological lag. And oil is not endless either; sooner or later production will begin to fall and decrease. In 10 years, according to the most optimistic forecasts, our population will decrease, I think, by 4 million and will age significantly, and the size and technical equipment of the armed forces is a function of the country’s population. The state can afford more young people, a larger number. Time is working against us. Even if we still have a huge shortage of personnel in industry, it will only continue to grow.
  70. 0
    8 June 2024 18: 08
    I remember in 2014, when the epic with Ukraine began, I read the news in the media “A group of high-ranking officials from the central apparatus of the Ministry of Defense filed a class action lawsuit against the Canadian government, which banned them from entering the country. And they have real estate, wives, mistresses, children.” I don’t know how this story ended, and this news seems to have been erased. So the question is, will these generals want to play nuclear ping-pong? And how many of these “generals” are there in the Defense Ministry now? Judging by the latest news, their number has increased significantly, so what command will they give?
    And we keep counting so many missiles, and there are so many of them. And when did Brzezhinski talk about this issue?
  71. 0
    10 June 2024 15: 36
    How tired we are of these long-lived Gorbachev mantras about nuclear winter and the death of all living things. Civilization will suffer, but not even close to perishing. But for the biosphere it doesn’t even seem to get any better.
  72. -1
    11 June 2024 13: 19
    In order to choke you need eggs. But the current government of Russia does not have them. Only 100500 times red lines are drawn that no one cares about
  73. 0
    11 June 2024 21: 23
    “It’s as if there will be no peace. Some will end earlier, others in Africa will suffer a little longer in the conditions of a nuclear winter”
    bullshit. or, more precisely, a myth skillfully introduced by the KGB into the brains of the Western public. Shebarshin even admitted this. in fact, there will be no “winter”, and the entire effect will be reduced to the destruction of large cities of the warring parties. which, of course, is also a lot, but has nothing to do with the end of humanity.

    “Billions are being wasted, and they will not save you from a normal strike”
    those billions that were spent on the anti-missile missiles described in the article, developed 10-20-30 years ago, were intended to counter countries such as the DPRK. and it fulfills its function completely. the current swinging of the nuclear club to the right and left will lead to the resuscitation of projects like the “diamond pebbles”, only at a new, much higher, thanks to spaceX, level of capabilities. This, by the way, is almost inevitable, it’s just a question of time. The current Russian Federation, as practice has shown, is not able to conduct an arms race even against a relaxed enemy, resting on Soviet reserves. and, having lost the last trump card in the form of nuclear weapons (or rather, having become obsolete and vulnerable to the consequences of their deployment), will become easy prey for the collective West
  74. 0
    12 June 2024 20: 43
    I really hope that when withdrawing from the agreements, the Kremlin did not leave everything to chance. There is confidence that the current situation (losers) of our sworn friends was used and the groundwork was obtained to achieve superiority. Hypersound is great, but it is a first strike weapon. Cool for Europe or Foggy Albion, but due to its numerical insufficiency, it poses little threat to the hegemon.
    There is hope that over time, our arsenal has been replenished and has other values.
  75. +1
    13 June 2024 08: 21
    Yes, the author did not take into account the anti-missiles of destroyers and cruisers, of which there are a couple of hundred, respectively, there may be 10 thousand ship-based anti-missiles. In addition, Obama, the Bushes, the Clintons and others have already set up bunkers on the southern island of New Zealand, as far as possible from the field of nuclear battle.
  76. 0
    13 June 2024 14: 41
    Aegis Why is it not discussed in the article, is it still an air defense system in the first place?
  77. 0
    17 June 2024 02: 10
    It’s a pity that America doesn’t think about people and about itself, why arms factories? It’s better to give money to the people, so that there would be no poverty long ago, they would have united with the whole world long ago, as it was, primitive people lived without borders and services, everyone survived and lived together. Why these sacrifices? 100% of the main ones have a rescue plan for the bunker, but ordinary people don’t, and even more so, you only have minutes and you don’t have time to run to a bunker where there is a public or personal one. My grandmother lives in California and my relatives will feel sorry for them. And there are plenty of Ukrainians living there.