Canadian virgin soil - this is how it was raised in the USSR

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Canadian virgin soil - this is how it was raised in the USSR


Consequences that turned out to be permanent


As you know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. This happened with the development of virgin and fallow lands in the Soviet Union. Using methods that, in addition to the first harvests, caused irreparable damage to nature, the country’s leaders at that time actually understood this quite well.



The point of no return, which the USSR passed just then, was written in detail more than ten years ago (Point of no return: becoming a raw materials appendage of the West and the beginning of the end of the USSR). It was then that a cruel diagnosis was formulated - the results of the development of virgin and fallow lands in the vast adjacent regions of Kazakhstan and the RSFSR, both positive and negative, were foreseen in advance by the Soviet leadership.

It’s not just that at almost the same time, that is, at the height of the virgin lands epic, an agreement was signed with Canada on the long-term import of wheat... The very development of these lands on a large scale began, as is known, in June 1954, which was prescribed by the February-March Plenum of the CPSU Central Committee.

A memorandum of hope?


And soon, on the closing day of the notorious XX Congress of the CPSU with the debunking of the personality cult of the late leader - February 29, 1956 - a Soviet-Canadian trade agreement was signed in Ottawa, not in Moscow. De facto, it was a memorandum - not limited to a specific period of validity.

It stated that “The parties, guided by the principles of equality and mutual benefit, grant each other unconditional most favored nation treatment in all matters relating to customs duties and charges of any nature imposed on imports or exports.”

However, the agreement itself did not indicate specific volumes of mutual supplies, which freed the hands of businessmen from foreign trade not only in Canada, but also in the USSR. In addition, this document was accompanied by exchange letters of guarantee - we emphasize - about large-scale purchases by the Soviet Union in Canada for three years from the date of signing the agreement (precisely from the date of signing).

We were talking about truly large-scale purchases - "1 to 200 metric tons of wheat with annual quantities ranging from 000 to 1 tons." And "at the prices and terms upon which the Canadian Wheat Board will sell wheat to its principal purchasers at the time Soviet purchases take place."


Such, if I may say so, “guarantee” letters, of course, were not published in the USSR at that time... That is, Moscow agreed in advance to high Canadian grain prices. Anticipating in advance the inevitable “post-Virgin Lands” problems with the provision of grain (and their processed products) from Soviet resources.

Not mutual benefit, but mutual interest?


Interest in importing grains, their processed products and meat products from Canada was expressed by the Soviet side back in October 1955 in Moscow, when no doubts about the success of the virgin lands campaign were officially expressed. In the USSR - nowhere and by no one.

Around that time, a Canadian government delegation led by Canadian Prime Minister Lester Pearson arrived for negotiations in the USSR. This was the first in stories such a high level visit. Moscow and Ottawa agreed to work out these issues, which was done by the end of February 1956.


The said agreement was extended by the protocols of 1960, 1963, 1966, 1970, 1972, 1975, 1978, 1984. Moreover, since 1978, the maximum possible supply volume has been increased to 1,75 million tons/year. Only in June 1992 did Moscow and Ottawa agree to terminate the document...

The main Soviet exports to Canada at that time were raw materials and semi-finished products, including cotton, furs, wood panels, plywood (60–62%), linen and cotton fabrics, sunflower oil, cast iron, wire rod (28–30%) .

At the same time, foreign trade organizations of the USSR purchased from Canada, in addition to wheat and flour (over 65% of imports from Canada), industrial equipment, synthetic rubber, breeding stock (cattle), wool and leather raw materials.

As was later noted in a Canadian document (Canada: House of Commons Debates, 28th Parliament, 3rd Session Vol. 7. September 7, 1971), “There were enthusiastic responses to the “excellent deals” with the Soviets, who sent tons of gold to Canada in payment for Canadian wheat (emphasis added). The Canadian Wheat Pool shares an exceptional friendship (Canadian Wheat Committee - Author's note) and Soviet Exportkhleb. An urgent agreement is being implemented, according to which 3 tons of wheat will be delivered to the USSR by April 500.”

Moreover: “...After the start of massive imports of American wheat from 1972–1974. Moscow continued to buy grain from Canada (as well as from Australia), which, due to its enormous importance, was noted with satisfaction by Canadian as well as American politicians and diplomats.” (See Robert A.D. Ford, “Our Man in Moscow. A Diplomat's Reflections on the Soviet Union,” University of Toronto Press, 1989).


One involuntarily comes to the conclusion that the development of virgin and fallow lands in the USSR was secured in advance by Canadian wheat. Which was quite logical... Especially taking into account the interruptions in food supplies to the industrial centers of the USSR at the end of the leadership of the real “miracle worker” Nikita Khrushchev.
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  1. +10
    7 June 2024 04: 34
    Why was there a shortage of grain in the USSR at a time when bread was free in canteens (especially rural ones)?
    The cheapness of bread and the lack of mixed feed have increased the consumption of the former for keeping domestic animals. I saw the times when in our regional center people kept cattle and other animals, and bread cost 13 kopecks per loaf.
    1. +11
      7 June 2024 04: 43
      at the end of the 60s, the cattle were fed with bread in the village, we bought 10 loaves daily (there were no feed mills).
      1. +1
        7 June 2024 04: 56
        Quote: Aerodrome
        in the late 60s, cattle were fed with bread in the village

        It was the same in the early 60s. At the state farm, people took bread to feed their livestock. The guy worked as a shepherd on a farm and stole feed. He loads the bag onto the saddle and rides on horseback. Sometimes feed was used to pay for workdays.
        And all that was needed was to sort out agriculture. It was under Khrushchev that a massive outflow of rural residents to the cities began...
        1. +2
          7 June 2024 05: 05
          the development of virgin and fallow lands in the USSR was backed up in advance by Canadian wheat
          I remember:
          "New settlers are coming - their faces are not happy"....
        2. +1
          7 June 2024 09: 04
          Quote: ROSS 42
          He loads the bag onto the saddle and rides on horseback.

          But if he is caught, then 5 years of imprisonment are guaranteed.
          1. +4
            7 June 2024 09: 28
            Quote: carpenter
            But if he is caught, then 5 years of imprisonment are guaranteed.

            2 years managed to get...
            1. +1
              7 June 2024 09: 35
              Quote: ROSS 42
              But if he is caught, then 5 years of imprisonment are guaranteed.

              2 years managed to get...

              But in the Baltics, this was the norm. The tractor driver could take a bag of wheat and a couple of bags of potatoes for himself.
              1. +3
                7 June 2024 18: 14
                How is that ? Steal? Or payment in kind for workdays? Or like this: whoever works where gets it. A mechanic at a factory - pieces of iron, a collective farmer at sowing - grain. But it was not considered theft if it was from the state. Now, if you take it from a person without asking, then it is theft
                1. 0
                  8 June 2024 10: 34
                  Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                  How is that ? Steal? Or payment in kind for workdays?

                  As the collective farm decided, so it will be. In the Baltic states they lived a little differently. But there were no poor collective farms. There were significantly fewer state farms than collective farms. The republics are small, so many people traveled from the cities to clean. The collective farm sent buses near train stations and markets, so those who wanted could work. For a working day, you get about 10 rubles or more, plus a free lunch, and with the money you earn, you can take home some potatoes for 6 kopecks. now a kilogram.
                  1. +2
                    8 June 2024 14: 45
                    It seems that such a system was everywhere in the union. But 10 rubles is a lot. At one time, I went from the enterprise during working hours to harvest vegetables. Well, they earned a bucket of tomatoes, which cost pennies per 1 kg. And at work, of course, the salary remained the same.
                    1. 0
                      8 June 2024 16: 11
                      Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                      But 10 rubles is a lot.

                      That is why, when harvesting potatoes and other vegetables, there were always enough people to clean all the fields, and not plow them along with the unharvested potatoes.
                2. +1
                  8 June 2024 16: 21
                  Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                  But it was not considered theft if it was from the state. Now, if you take it from a person without asking, then it is theft

                  I remember there was a sentence (excuse) that they don’t pay us extra, we pay for it ourselves... It existed everywhere,
        3. +3
          7 June 2024 09: 35
          And all that was needed was to sort out agriculture. It was under Khrushchev that a massive outflow of rural residents to the cities began...
          The failed virgin lands began after the abandonment of Stalin's plan for the transformation of nature, which, in addition to the reclamation of non-black earth soils, included forest belts and reclamation of the Volgograd, Saratov and Orenburg regions. For this alone, Khrushch Kukuruzny is already worthy of hanging.
          1. GAF
            +5
            7 June 2024 12: 54
            The failed virgin lands began after the abandonment of Stalin’s plan for the transformation of nature,

            You're right. Altai. As a pioneer, he participated in forest planting. Now, mighty trees are in forest belts. As a Komsomol member, I saw the consequences of the Virgin Lands campaign. The day in the year of graduation remains in my memory. We came to class in the dark. We walked from school after classes, and instead of the snowdrifts shining under the midday sun after the strong snowstorm that had passed the day before, there were gray snowdrifts under the sun, which was barely visible as a copper penny in the heavenly darkness from the wind-raised fertile layer of the bare steppes of Kazakhstan. I remember that adults without obscenities did not mention the name of the agricultural pest Khrushchev beetle.
            According to the wife’s father, originally from Kazakhstan, they plowed from horizon to horizon, and they also controlled the depth of plowing from the Regional Center. As a result, the podzol was turned upside down, burying the fertile layer underneath. The first harvests were good. My wife told me how they, high school students, were sent in the spring to rake a pile of grain in a field, and it was impossible to approach it without a gas mask. There were few elevators, no roads, bunkers were poured into heaps covered with reeds....
            1. +4
              7 June 2024 14: 25
              I remember that adults without obscenities did not mention the name of the agricultural pest Khrushchev beetle.
              We had the same thing, in a military town after Khrushchev’s army reduction.
              1. GAF
                +4
                7 June 2024 20: 42
                At this very time, he served as a conscript in the Far East in the Air Force at the Pacific Fleet. He left for demobilization as an aircraft radar chief mechanic with the rank of senior sailor. “We became friends” with the commander and turned out to be fellow countrymen from the same region of Altai. He took him fishing with him. He talked almost without swearing about the dismissal of officers from the Army, who had a year or two left before their seniority. I showed him a letter received from my elder brother from the village, in which he shared his concern about what to leave from the living creatures on his personal farmstead. In response, almost without swearing: yes, my relatives have already written to me about this. We are talking about the machinations of the Khrushchev beetle about prohibitions and restrictions on housekeeping. As a result, agricultural production fell sharply (in the USSR, two thirds of the population were villagers). Having promised communism by the 80s, he laid socialism in a coffin, into the lid of which Marked hammered the last nail in these very 80s...
                1. +3
                  8 June 2024 15: 05
                  Not everything is so simple with Khrushchev. Not everything is negative. This is what Wikipedia writes and I actually saw it:
                  "In 1953-1956, state purchase prices for collective farm products were increased threefold. In 1956, the working day on Saturdays was reduced from eight to six hours. In 1960, the working day was reduced from eight to seven hours. In 1956 In 1964, a new law was adopted on universal pension provision for citizens of the USSR, which in 1956 was extended to collective farmers. The average pension in the USSR more than doubled. In 1940, the 70 law on criminal penalties for being late for work was repealed. absenteeism, prohibitions on changing jobs. Paid maternity leave increased from 112 to 1959 days. In 1, consumer loans were legally allowed to the population for the purchase of durable goods at low interest rates (2-XNUMX% per year). services in the USSR increased tenfold due to the construction of service houses and rental points for household appliances"
                  Of course, there was also a lot of nonsense, shortcomings and mistakes, which, of course, did not all stem from Khrushchev himself. There were many other party bosses without sufficient intelligence.
                  As for corn, introducing it into large circulation was the right decision. At least the collective farm cows were not left without food in the winter and did not eat empty straw. Yes, and now corn is one of the main crops in agriculture.
                  1. GAF
                    +2
                    10 June 2024 17: 14
                    The example you give is related to development and is typical for any country: today something has appeared that did not exist yesterday. It doesn't depend on who runs the country. The consequences of innovation are important. But you write: “In 1956, the 1940 law on criminal penalties for being late for work and absenteeism, and on prohibitions on changing jobs,” was repealed.
                    WWII began and that year there was a war with Finland.
                    From 1957, after school, he worked as a railway worker for two years before being drafted into the army. The crew was friendly and did not favor truants. There was a case when the foreman kicked a recently arrived slob away from the brigade.
                    And another example, comrade. After the 56 congress, in order to maintain his weight, Khrushchev initiated a “good” law to exempt party functionaries from prosecution, starting with the secretary of the district committee, without the permission of higher party officials?!?. A good roof for a certain kind of person. All clear. A generation later, the pyramid of party power (we didn’t have another) died for a long time - the USSR was gone.....
                    1. 0
                      10 June 2024 19: 55
                      As far as I know, in Brezhnev’s times, before sending materials against a communist to court, these materials were sent to the district party committee, not to mention the secretaries. So, nothing strange. This is to avoid the fact that before 56 there were cases when those who arrived in prison on trial tried to register themselves as party members.
        4. +3
          7 June 2024 09: 40
          Quote: ROSS 42
          It was under Khrushchev that a massive outflow of rural residents to the cities began...

          what Without a passport? Churn? After demobilization, the village boys were not eager to return to the village, so they were recruited for the construction sites of Communism, and it was then that the word “limit worker” came into Soviet use!
          1. 0
            7 June 2024 09: 49
            Quote: Serg65
            Without a passport? Churn?

            Yes, nice man. Without a passport? Who told you? We went to the city to study and stayed... In the film “The Chairman” this is well shown:
            1. +3
              7 June 2024 09: 56
              Quote: ROSS 42
              The movie “The Chairman” shows this well:

              Are you kidding me so subtly? And you also call yourself a communist!!!
              After studying you stayed...either you are a joker, or you remember the USSR in early childhood! Did you receive your diploma? be kind enough to work for 3 years wherever the Motherland sends you! And the Motherland sent you back to the collective farm, because the scholarship was paid to you by your own collective farm!!!
              1. +2
                7 June 2024 10: 04
                Quote: Serg65
                Are you kidding me so subtly? And you also call yourself a communist!!!

                Have you decided to start a fight? I am 7 decades old, and where should my aunt work if she studied sewing (like my mother), and there was no atelier in the village... My father, like all his brothers, left for the city after serving in the army. ..
                Why are you casting a shadow on the fence here? How old are you yourself? Or are you from the generation that saw the USSR after the death of LIB, when I arrived after the harvest and didn’t even have time to recover from the “fat” arable lands of Kazakhstan and harvests of 7 centners per hectare per circle...
                1. -3
                  7 June 2024 10: 36
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  where was my aunt supposed to work if she studied sewing?

                  Where did she study, when exactly did she study?
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  My father, like all his brothers, left for the city after serving in the army

                  This is exactly what I wrote above...the only chance to leave your village!
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Why are you casting a shadow on the fence here?

                  Shadow theater, this is not my thing......the truth and only the truth!
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  How old are you yourself?

                  I found dear Leonid Ilyich in his seventies and death already in uniform!
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  yields of 7 centners per hectare per circle...

                  Great! And at the same time there is one elevator for 50 collective and state farms!!! In the Tula region, for lack of places to store crops, wheat and potatoes were dumped into piles, and in the spring they forced schoolchildren to cut birch brooms... so that the poor collective farm cows would not die of hunger! Not only did you live under Soviet power, and therefore, as a communist, you are obliged to tell the truth! Yes, under the Union it was different, it was good... and even very good, but it was also bad!
                  1. 0
                    7 June 2024 11: 09
                    I found dear Leonid Ilyich in his seventies and death already in uniform!

                    Stop comparing your personal belongings. I lived in the USSR longer than in the Russian Federation.
                    One aunt left in the late 50s, the other after 1967...
                    1. -2
                      7 June 2024 11: 10
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      Stop comparing your personal belongings

                      I'm not a communist, but I welcome the truth!
                      1. 0
                        7 June 2024 14: 39
                        I'm not a communist, but I welcome the truth!

                        I apologize, I mean no offense, but here you can remember the fable about the bee and the fly, who sees the world differently.
                        However, the reality is both this and that, and there’s more to see.
                  2. +1
                    7 June 2024 14: 36
                    And at the same time there is one elevator for 50 collective and state farms!!!

                    It is not the number of elevators that matters, but their capacity.
                    In the USSR, they preferred to build large centralized elevators that operated reliably as factories. My relatives lived next to such an elevator and spent their entire childhood there. All summer they brought bread to it from all the neighboring regions.
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      3. -1
        10 June 2024 10: 29
        at the end of the 60s, the cattle were fed with bread in the village, we bought 10 loaves daily (there were no feed mills).

        they kept cattle and other livestock, and bread cost 13 kopecks per roll.



        Collection of normative acts on criminal law of Russia of the 27th–1960th centuries / Normative acts of the XNUMXth century. Soviet period / Criminal Code of the RSFSR of October XNUMX, XNUMX

        Article 154.1. Purchasing for feeding or feeding bread and other grain products to livestock and poultry (introduced by the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR dated May 6, 1963)
        Purchasing baked bread, flour, cereals and other bakery products in state or cooperative stores for feeding to livestock and poultry, as well as feeding baked bread, flour, cereals and other bakery products purchased in stores to livestock and poultry, committed after the imposition of an administrative fine for these actions orderly, or systematically, or on a large scale
        shall be punished with correctional labor for a term of up to one year, or imprisonment for a term of one to three years, with or without confiscation of livestock.
    2. +3
      7 June 2024 09: 03
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Why was there a shortage of grain in the USSR at a time when bread was free in canteens (especially rural ones)?

      It’s some kind of paradox, at that time, in order to buy my 400 grams of black stuff according to the lists, I, a 15-year-old boy, had to stand in line from 6 in the morning, and then from the store to school.
      1. 0
        7 June 2024 09: 41
        Quote: carpenter
        To buy my 400 grams of black stuff according to the lists, I had to stand in line as a 15-year-old boy from 6 in the morning, and then from the store to school.

        Yes, you and I have the same fate! I’m the only one in line for white from 6 in the morning, and then to school.
        1. 0
          7 June 2024 09: 43
          Quote: Serg65
          I’m the only one in line for white from 6 in the morning, and then to school.

          On the contrary, we had a lot of white, and the hornet was on the list.
          1. +3
            7 June 2024 09: 51
            Quote: carpenter
            On the contrary, we had a lot of white

            Yes, this is understandable, the Tula region was not the face of socialism..... unfortunately!
            Already being a naval officer, at the Liepaja brewery I was surprised to learn that we have not three types of beer, but THIRTY varieties!!!
            1. +4
              7 June 2024 11: 43
              at the Liepaja brewery
              There seemed to be 7 varieties. Not all craft brewers will brew 30 varieties. And on the Embrasure laughing there was only one.
              1. 0
                7 June 2024 13: 46
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                There seemed to be 7 varieties

                Moscow, Riga and Zhigulevskoe!
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                Not all craft brewers will brew 30 varieties

                However, the Liepāja people managed...
                1. +3
                  7 June 2024 13: 50
                  Liepaja residents managed
                  I don’t remember, although I handed over a lot of Liepaja bottles during the holidays. I never bought a tape recorder, though.
                2. 0
                  7 June 2024 20: 57
                  Quote: Serg65

                  Moscow, Riga and Zhigulevskoe!

                  In St. Petersburg, in the pub from Stepan Razin's plant on Nevsky there was Velkhatnoye, Zhigulevskoye, Leningradskoye, Lyubitelskoye, Martovskoye, Moskovskoye, Porter, Rizhskoye.
      2. -1
        7 June 2024 11: 11
        Quote: carpenter
        It’s some kind of paradox, at that time, in order to buy my 400 grams of black stuff according to the lists, I, a 15-year-old boy, had to stand in line from 6 in the morning, and then from the store to school.

        When did the paradox occur? The only thing I remember are coupons for flour. Flour was sold with coupons and eggs for tens per hand...
        1. +1
          8 June 2024 19: 36
          Until 1972 he lived in Ukraine. Since the 50s, nothing has been sold using coupons. For a couple of years under Khrushchev, the store did not give more than 2 loaves to your hands. That's all the restrictions. And the grain did not disappear. The only losses were due to bad weather, when the food processors did not want to accept raw grain. Drying was bad. Collective farms worked as best they could, since collective farm storage facilities were not designed for large surpluses. They distributed it to people in kind at more favorable prices. They were stored in cowsheds, constantly shoveling them.
          1. -1
            9 June 2024 03: 33
            Quote: Alexey Lantukh
            Drying was bad.

            Familiar. I don’t know how it is today. And in Soviet times, a large harvest was always a disaster. Back then they collected many times more than they consumed. The same potatoes in villages were stored in cellars from harvest to harvest, and in storage units in parts the potatoes ran out by December and dry potatoes were constantly present in the diet.
            There is no need to talk about cabbage. Fields with unharvested heads of cabbage disappeared under the snow. Who was it for?
            1. 0
              9 June 2024 13: 05
              In military units, everything, of course, depended on both the food supply and the availability of storage facilities. Where I served potatoes ran out in mid-spring, and then porridge and pasta (less often). But in the fall there are tons of potatoes. We were in a hurry to feed as much as possible. But in the evening with fried hake it was ok. But, in Ukraine, harvesting potatoes was not a disaster, as I think throughout the country (USSR). Not enough storage? Stored in piles. The tractor dug a trench, covered it with potatoes, covered it with straw and earth, and made a scent. And everything was kept well, but it just had to be arranged correctly.
              1. -1
                9 June 2024 13: 56
                Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                Not enough storage? Stored in piles. The tractor dug a trench, covered it with potatoes, covered it with straw and earth, and made a scent. And everything was kept well, but it just had to be arranged correctly.

                It’s a pity that the head of the 10th Motorized Rifle Division of the 131st Motorized Rifle Division didn’t know about this... No one in the division knew what to do with potatoes in the Far North... Something could have been saved in the hospital and small units...
                1. 0
                  9 June 2024 13: 59
                  Well, the Far North is a separate matter: there are severe frosts and permafrost is possible, piles may or may not be possible. Well, in the Black Earth Region this still occasionally occurs.
              2. -1
                10 June 2024 11: 15
                But, in Ukraine, harvesting potatoes was not a disaster, as I think throughout the country (USSR).

                Thinking in vain.
                We are on urgent duty in the Gorky region
                in the collective farm fields they collected potatoes no less than 2 fists long; they did not bend over for smaller ones.
                So everything in the fields went into winter...
                The locals said: “They recruited for themselves, but they will bring soldiers to the collective farm.”
                And this kind of bullshit happened all over the country.
                The “Virgin Battalions” rode on such trachomas, as long as they left the unit and burned with a blue flame. What the hell kind of grain is there... The drivers drank at least half...
                1. 0
                  10 June 2024 13: 32
                  If this is true about the locals, then think about what the local mentality is and what the local population deserves. Well, such garbage all over the country... ... In fact, potatoes were not grown in the south and north. Well, as for the grain, it was fiddled with invoices. Try to steal or lose on drink. There were also military courts on this matter. Some soldiers also ended up in penal battalions. At least that's how it was in the 70s.
                  1. -1
                    10 June 2024 21: 15
                    Well, as for the grain, it was fiddled with invoices. Try to steal or lose on drink. only from the current to the elevator in the regional center. And from a combine per liter = a bunker - like two fingers on a fence
                    1. 0
                      10 June 2024 22: 26
                      From the combine to the local village, yes, it’s easier to steal. This has happened. Well, a liter is not enough. This also needs to be agreed upon with the combine operator. He's on the deal and counting his bunkers.
      3. -1
        7 June 2024 19: 14
        “at that time, in order to buy my 400 grams of black stuff according to the lists, I, a 15-year-old boy, had to stand in line from 6 in the morning, and then from the store to school.”
        at that time, when is this? and where? in besieged Leningrad?
    3. 0
      7 June 2024 09: 36
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Why was there a shortage of grain in the USSR at a time when bread was free in canteens (especially rural ones)?

      It seems like the term “subsidy” is completely unfamiliar to you!!!
    4. -1
      7 June 2024 22: 04
      The cheapness of bread and the lack of mixed feed increased the consumption of bread

      This, by the way, would be an interesting source of income for the state - the sale of feed to the rural population. The price of bread could be raised slightly and mixed feed, on the contrary, sold at a minimum price, and this would ensure a large stable demand for grain from state farms among the population and at the same time saturate the cities with livestock products. After all, with the money received for grain and food products, it would be possible to purchase food for the townspeople.
      In our country, motor fuel now plays a similar role.
      1. -1
        10 June 2024 11: 21
        This, by the way, would be an interesting source of income for the state - the sale of feed to the rural population. They were selling, but in limited quantities. For example, in our country no more than 1 ton could be obtained from an organization; organizations had a limit on the number of employees willing to buy grain.
        So we bought 2 tons - 1 from my father and the second from my mother.
        Unfortunately, I don’t remember the prices - I remember that most people paid 10 rubles - that is, obviously more than 5 rubles.
        On collective farms, collective farmers could also buy no more than 5 tons, so that the grain would not be resold and the cattle would not be raised too much.
        The remaining needs for grain - the population was stupidly stolen for a bottle
        1. 0
          10 June 2024 21: 45
          So the point is that a limit could be set on the price of bread, but grain could be sold without restrictions. Then there would be no point in resale - there is no cheaper state-owned grain and there is no point in buying it from a private owner, although you can buy the product of its processing in the form of compound feed from an artel. It was possible to do the same with other resources, such as renting state land, forests, water, minerals, fertilizers, fuel and energy, and this solved the problems of supplying food to cities and half the goods to villages. The economy was concentrated in artels and small and large associations of villagers.
  2. +2
    7 June 2024 05: 56
    Regarding the grain deal - at one time in 74, at a lecture on economics, we were told that during the conclusion of the agreement with Canada, they set a condition for the purchase of long-term and very large volumes of grain, otherwise they would refuse this agreement. In the mid-60s, in the Far East, cards were introduced for many products, including flour and bread, no more than 2 rolls for 18 kopecks per person.
    And there was a joke about Brezhnev about awarding him the title of Doctor of Agricultural Sciences - he sowed grain in the virgin lands, and harvested the harvest in Canada...
    For many years I went to Canada for grain in ballast and I don’t remember a single flight where we carried anything there.
    1. 0
      7 June 2024 06: 15
      Quote: danka111
      And there was a joke about Brezhnev about awarding him the title of Doctor of Agricultural Sciences - he sowed grain in the virgin lands, and harvested the harvest in Canada...
      good hi
      1. +5
        7 June 2024 06: 44
        The cat abandoned the kittens, it's Brezhnev's fault. But in a democracy, no one will be held accountable for anything. This is probably why he is the best ruler of the millennium.
        1. +9
          7 June 2024 08: 23
          But in a democracy, no one will be held accountable for anything.
          Lenin has already been appointed guilty, for all his failures... He laid a lot of atomic bombs... Look, he’s a snake, looming in the mausoleum.. smile
        2. -3
          7 June 2024 19: 23
          Quote: Gardamir
          The cat abandoned the kittens, it's Brezhnev's fault. But in a democracy, no one will be held accountable for anything. That's probably why the best ruler of the millennium.
          the best ruler of the millennium?????????????
          Dear Comrade Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev and Comrade Stalin. As they say, feel the difference.
        3. -1
          10 June 2024 11: 25
          The cat abandoned the kittens, it's Brezhnev's fault. But in a democracy, no one will be held accountable for anything. This is probably why he is the best ruler of the millennium.
          What under Brezhnev/Khrushchev traded with the worst enemy - the United States, what under the current one.
          Well, it’s true that the current one doesn’t throw a tantrum and doesn’t knock his shoes on the podium - although maybe he should...
      2. +2
        7 June 2024 09: 06
        Quote: Nagan
        And there was a joke about Brezhnev about awarding him the title of Doctor of Agricultural Sciences

        And about Khrushchev, not a joke, but the words of W. Churchill:
        “I thought I would die of old age. But when Russia, which fed the whole of Europe with bread, began to purchase grain, I realized that I would die of laughter. "
        1. +5
          8 June 2024 21: 39
          Churchill himself was clearly unaware of his words.
          The real Churchill could not help but know that there was mass famine in the USSR more than once - in the 20s, 30s and 40s a couple of years after the war.
  3. -1
    7 June 2024 06: 14
    By the way, it was Dear Comrade Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev who was the most important in the virgin lands, as the First Secretary of the Kazakh Central Committee. After the first record harvests, I managed to jump to Moscow - either I was lucky, or I knew how it would end, and left the rake to others.
    1. +3
      7 June 2024 08: 21
      Dear Comrade Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, on my own initiative I went there, with the thought: I’ll open it, I’ll open it.. (c)
      1. +2
        7 June 2024 09: 38
        I went there on my own initiative,
        Nothing was done on personal initiative then - they appointed him and said “Yes!”
        1. +3
          7 June 2024 09: 58
          Nothing was done on personal initiative back then.
          Of course, the party said it should - Leonid Ilyich replied: Yes! .. And where would he go from the submarine
          1. +2
            7 June 2024 11: 59
            Of course, the party said it should - Leonid Ilyich replied: Yes! .. And where would he go from the submarine
            It is, of course, true, but it is quite possible to get away from that submarine, for example, as an ambassador to Mongolia after doubting the feasibility of the task, but Ilyich did not like this end to his career.
            1. +3
              7 June 2024 12: 29
              Ambassador to Mongolia
              This is still normal, but he could have commanded some kind of power plant.
              1. -1
                7 June 2024 17: 38
                Quote: kor1vet1974
                Ambassador to Mongolia
                This is still normal, but he could have commanded some kind of power plant.

                Foreman at the Murom Machine-Building Plant, as the former People's Commissar of the Tank Industry Zaltsman.
        2. -2
          10 June 2024 11: 27
          Nothing was done on personal initiative then - they appointed him and said “Yes!”
          MSG fell out of this rule - scoring on everyone or working in the same paradigm?
          1. 0
            10 June 2024 19: 13
            MSG fell out of this rule - scoring on everyone or working in the same paradigm?
            Gorby Marked began to work at a high level when the previous generation died out, so he found new owners over the hill.
      2. +1
        7 June 2024 15: 18
        Dear Comrade Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, on my own initiative I went there, with the thought: I’ll open it, I’ll open it.. (c)

        He was sent there along with Ponomarenko, to replace Shiakhmetov and Afonov. Khrushchev was tired of the fact that in Kazakhstan, as he put it: “a chicken gives more income than a horse.”

        So what, the guys got up and plowed it open. 6 times in 5 years.
        And now Kazakhstan is one of the world leaders in grain exports.
  4. +2
    7 June 2024 06: 18
    And that was all that was needed. stop raising livestock and raise bread prices for slaves. The communist leaders did not understand anything about economics, or it was the effective managers...
  5. +9
    7 June 2024 06: 43
    Not only under Khrushchev, but also under the “early” Brezhnev, people in the villages fed their cattle with bread. Brezhnev cleaned up what Khrushchev had spoiled. By the end of Brezhnev's reign, people on collective and state farms were already living well and did not feed the cattle with bread. And not only because under Brezhnev they didn’t check how much hay you had for your cow—to take away the excess, although under Khrushchev they didn’t give you meadows where you could make hay for your cow, people mowed down forest edges, canals and ravines. Under the late Brezhnev, even the collective farm itself prepared hay for collective farmers and collective farm machines were brought home to the collective farmer. Under late Brezhnev, relatives from the city borrowed money from collective farmers. And if the husband was a machine operator who drank little - in the winter, autumn, spring on a tractor and in the summer on a combine, and the wife was a milkmaid or pig farmer on farms, then the salary for two was more than many in the city. Two enemies of the USSR - Khrushchev and Gorbachev. Between them, Brezhnev did not appreciate from which enemies of the USSR he took power and to which enemies of the USSR power could pass after him. Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, Kravchuk were already crawling to the “top” under Brezhnev. But the Brezhnev era, in my opinion, was a golden time for the village...and not only for the village. Time for a swan song over the blooming garden of the USSR!
    1. +2
      7 June 2024 07: 58
      Quote: north 2
      By the end of Brezhnev’s reign, people on collective and state farms were already living well and did not feed the cattle with bread.

      In our (small regional center) restrictions on the purchase of bread (they fed it to livestock) were introduced just under Brezhnev. I don’t remember what it was like in the village. There were probably more opportunities to purchase feed there.
      1. +3
        7 June 2024 08: 55
        Two loaves in hand. In the city, if more bread was needed, they bought it in several stores. In the village, the seller sold bread, taking into account the composition of the family, it didn’t matter even if someone was absent, studying, for example. If a family consists of four people, then 8 loaves of bread could be bought at a time, white loaves are separate, they were not used to feed livestock. There was also the nuance of how many times a week bread was brought to the village. There was practically no compound feed on sale. This was not the case everywhere; in the Baltics, feed was delivered to rural stores; it was not necessarily compound feed, it could be first-grade flour in bags, which was cheap and was used to feed livestock.
      2. 0
        7 June 2024 15: 31
        [quote]Probably there were more opportunities to purchase compound feed./quote]
        Naturally, more... For example, sp...oner on the farm where you work. Or for a bottle of moonshine from the watchman.
      3. 0
        8 June 2024 23: 55
        Real feedstuffs appeared in the village under Brezhnev. There weren't any before. Moreover, they were often more expensive than grain.
    2. 0
      7 June 2024 14: 28
      I saw that cattle were fed with bread back in the late 80s (Novgorod region).
      1. +2
        7 June 2024 15: 33
        Similarly, Tula region.
  6. 0
    7 June 2024 07: 00
    Fools don’t realize that the USSR bought more grain, so it was necessary to maintain a huge herd of cattle and small livestock, the number of which in the RSFSR alone reached 50 and 50 million heads, respectively. And the daily ration of a cow includes 2 kg of grain feed, which is 100 thousand. tons of grain feed daily, or 36,5 million tons per year.
    On our former collective farm, the number of cows dropped by 20 times; all farms were abandoned.
    And now there is a mystery for the ossified degenerates - where does the milk on the shelves come from for the office plankton?
    In short, the Russian Federation exports grain by refusing milk and dairy products for the people.
    In general, the Russian Federation is a raw materials colony not only of developed countries but also of all sorts of savages like Egypt and Afghanistan, who have nothing to pay for this grain.
    1. 0
      7 June 2024 07: 49
      The enemies of the USSR have primitive thinking - the Russian Empire exported a lot of grain, which means there was good agriculture, the USSR imported grain, which means there was bad agriculture, the Russian Federation again exports a lot of grain, which means good agriculture. But they are not capable of understanding why this is so, much less explaining or justifying it.
      1. -3
        7 June 2024 09: 42
        Quote: tatra
        But they are not capable of understanding why this is so, much less explaining or justifying it.

        But you and I, Irina, know why... In the Republic of Ingushetia, the number of rural residents was five times greater than the urban population - here's the surplus grain for you. Industrialization was underway in the USSR, and the peasantry was not going through the best years of development, and there were a lot of high-yielding varieties of wheat, in addition, the meat and dairy cattle population was growing and livestock and poultry farming was developing - the main consumers of feed grain. High-yielding varieties of wheat appeared in the Russian Federation, domestic animals, like the peasants themselves, were driven out as unnecessary...
    2. -1
      10 June 2024 11: 32
      On our former collective farm, the number of cows dropped by 20 times; all farms were abandoned. apparently near Moscow?
  7. -9
    7 June 2024 07: 05
    Quote: ROSS 42
    It was the same in the early 60s. At the state farm, people took bread to feed their livestock.

    Stop lying, he’s a collective farmer’s nephew :).You can’t feed a cow with bread. For buying bread you could get a nickel right away, without leaving the cash register.
    Is your regional center called petah pumpkin by any chance?
    1. -2
      10 June 2024 11: 35
      Stop lying, he’s a collective farmer’s nephew :).You can’t feed a cow with bread. For buying bread you could get a nickel right away, without leaving the cash register. that is, about the fact that criminal articles are introduced not out of the blue - but out of urgent need and danger to the state - no, haven’t you heard?
      If it were impossible to feed a cow and the population did not buy bread precisely for this purpose, the article would not be in the Criminal Code.
      Z. Y.
      And yes, it was significantly less than 5 years
  8. 0
    7 June 2024 07: 35
    The economy in the USSR worked badly, that’s true. My relatives in the USSR kept pigs, fed them bread and feed, which, naturally, no one thought to buy. Such a scam began under Khrushchev, but ended only in the 90s. They don't keep pigs in villages anymore - it's not profitable. This phenomenon was widespread.

    Everything around is collective farm, everything around is mine.

    However, today peasants do not keep livestock at all, except for specialized farms, and even those are heavily in debt.
    1. -5
      7 June 2024 07: 53
      The enemies of the USSR have a manic passion for stupid, meaningless, destructive criticism. They are angry against everything Soviet, but are not able to prove that before the October Revolution and/or after their capture of the USSR, it was and/or became better for the country and the majority of the people than in the USSR.
      1. 0
        7 June 2024 11: 14
        :) There is no need to classify me as an enemy of the USSR, or as a friend. I'm just writing what I saw myself. I didn’t live before the USSR, but I’m sure it was worse than under the USSR.
    2. +5
      7 June 2024 08: 02
      Quote: S.Z.
      The economy in the USSR worked disgracefully, that's true

      Modern - very effective! lol We buy everything, but we can’t even produce nails in the required quantities. We have effectively learned how to attach tags to Chinese products.
      1. -5
        7 June 2024 08: 22
        And critics of the Soviet planned economy really like their “economy” - exporting natural resources and raw materials, and importing food, industrial products, science, and intelligence.
        1. -4
          7 June 2024 15: 57
          [quote]And critics of the Soviet planned economy really like their “economy” - exporting natural resources and raw materials, and importing food, manufacturing products, science, and intelligence./quote/
          Madam, you respect you - and “Smekhopanorama” is not needed... It was the Soviet economy that was “non-export raw materials” laughing ? Do you remember the famous formula “Gas in exchange for pipes through which the same gas will be transported”? This is, in your opinion, the economy of high technology exports crying ?
          1. +2
            7 June 2024 19: 27
            "Gas in exchange for pipes"
            There was such a campaign in the USSR, but in addition to gas, the USSR exported planes, ships and vessels, sea and river, cars, tractors, agricultural machines, televisions, timber and boards, plywood, sawdust and chips, weapons and much more. yes, I forgot about galoshes laughing and now?
        2. -1
          10 June 2024 11: 43
          import food didn't you read the article?
          production products Where did they bring medicines and high chemicals from?
          Whose film were the directors eager to make films on - not on Kodak for an hour?
          Whose was VAZ and Moskvich as a girl?
          Who did COCOM prohibit from buying supercomputers?

          export natural resources and raw materials Oh yeah!!! Gas and oil pipelines in Germany and NATO were apparently built yesterday and not in 1972.
          And 2 GOSTs belay for export timber, depending on the place of shipment from the USSR, was also invented yesterday....
          And cotton was sent to Canada for grain...
          1. +1
            10 June 2024 20: 43
            “Whose film were the directors eager to make films on - not on Kodak for an hour?”
            If you watched films in the USSR, you must remember that in the credits they wrote that the film was shot on film from the Shostka chemical plant Svema. it was so?
            "Where did they bring high chemistry from?"
            What kind of term is this - high chemistry? chemistry can be either big or small
            "oh yes!!! Gas and oil pipelines in Germany in NATO were apparently built yesterday and not in 197"
            I say again, for the especially gifted, in addition to oil and gas and round timber, the USSR sold a lot of things. Today the Russian Federation has settled on oil, gas, round timber, and that’s all
            "export timber depending on the place of shipment from the USSR"
            in the city who was the best
          2. 0
            10 June 2024 20: 43
            “Whose film were the directors eager to make films on - not on Kodak for an hour?”
            If you watched films in the USSR, you must remember that in the credits they wrote that the film was shot on film from the Shostka chemical plant Svema. it was so?
            "Where did they bring high chemistry from?"
            What kind of term is this - high chemistry? chemistry can be either big or small
            "oh yes!!! Gas and oil pipelines in Germany in NATO were apparently built yesterday and not in 197"
            I say again, for the especially gifted, in addition to oil and gas and round timber, the USSR sold a lot of things. Today the Russian Federation has settled on oil, gas, round timber, and that’s all
            "export timber depending on the place of shipment from the USSR"
            in the city who was the best
            1. -1
              10 June 2024 20: 53
              The film was shot on film from the Shostka chemical plant Svema. it was so? I remember Tasma too. Only color rendition was much better with Kodak
              And by the way, Hitler was filmed on color film back in 1936, and here we have it a little later.
              In addition to oil and gas and round timber, the USSR sold a lot of things. 70% of USSR passenger ships were built in capital countries, 50% fishing
              1. +1
                10 June 2024 21: 00
                "70% of passenger ships in the USSR were built in capital countries, 50% were built in fishing countries"
                so what? They built their own, comets and meteors, for example, and bought them abroad. and now neither build nor buy, only rent. Are they building a lot now? only icebreakers to transport goods from China when they stop allowing them into Suez and Cape Town, and even then it’s not very active
                1. -1
                  10 June 2024 21: 31
                  only icebreakers to transport goods from China, - 2 atomic USSR icebreakers were built abroad in capital countries

                  Here next to me they poked numbers and numbers - that the USSR half of exports received from oil and gas
                  According to [Ioffe Ya.A. We and the planet: Figures and facts. 7th edition, expanded. - M.: Politizdat. 1988. - 256 p.] on page 121 oil and gas exports in 1986 amounted to 29.9 billion rubles. At the same time, this year all exports amounted to 68 billion rubles, imports 62.5 billion rubles.

                  This is the question of money for everything you listed
                  In addition to gas, the USSR exported airplanes, ships and vessels, sea and river, cars, tractors, agricultural machines, televisions, timber and boards, plywood, sawdust and wood chips, weapons and much more.
                  And yes - weapons were supplied en masse “free of charge, that is, for nothing” (c) Winnie the Pooh. Because if for money, then cars, plywood and tractors were sold for 10 rubles apiece. Not more expensive...
                  1. 0
                    10 June 2024 22: 09
                    Because if for money, then cars, plywood and tractors were sold for 10 rubles apiece. Not more expensive...


                    Any capitalist strives to reduce the price of products and thereby squeeze out markets. The USSR had a starting base for the industry - for example, 50% of fishing vessels were imported, but 50% of the remaining ones were made by ourselves. Oil was exported, but its availability made it possible to develop its own petrochemical and fuel industry. China didn’t have this either - nothing but pure poverty, but as a result it became the first violin in global industry, taking the place of the USSR in the world. Now China has begun to squeeze out the global market for high-tech weapons - all of its fighter jet, tank, and shipbuilding projects are designed for export, among other things.
                    The mistake was that the USSR did not continue the systematic replacement of raw materials with high-tech industrial products in the structure of annual exports every year - they would have lived in a completely different country now.
                  2. +1
                    11 June 2024 19: 34
                    "2 nuclear icebreakers of the USSR were built abroad in capital countries"
                    not in capital countries, but in Finland. and river icebreakers, small
                    "then cars, plywood and tractors were sold for 10 rubles apiece. No more expensive..."
                    frets and fields were sold to themselves for money, and not for cut paper, as now oil is sold to the Indian gypsies
                    "And yes - he supplied weapons en masse "free of charge, that is, for nothing"
                    not always, they exchanged for barter, and for loans, which His Serene Highness now forgave the blacks with his broad shoulder as if they were his own
                    1. 0
                      11 June 2024 21: 13
                      river icebreakers, small - atomic??? Wow, I didn’t even know that there were little ones of us river nuclear icebreakers.
                      So they are for the SMP.
                      not in capital countries, but in Finland. Wow... Does Finland know that they built communism, since they are not in capitalist countries?
                      frets and fields were sold to themselves for money, and not for cut paper, as now oil is sold to the Indian gypsies
                      - Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
                      According to [Ioffe Ya.A. We and the planet: Figures and facts. 7th edition, expanded. - M.: Politizdat. 1988. - 256 p.] on page 121 oil and gas exports in 1986 amounted to 29.9 billion rubles. At the same time, this year all exports amounted to 68 billion rubles, imports 62.5 billion rubles.
                      If half export - oil and gas, then second half of exports EVERYTHING AT ALL.
                      For example, airplanes are a thing expensive.
                      A car is also not a cheap thing. Just like tractors...
                      And now we remember - timber, metals, fabrics, cotton, weapons, and on and on, down the list.
                      No matter how much you want the opposite, too little of the export money remains.
                      1. 0
                        12 June 2024 09: 34
                        “Wow, I didn’t even know that we have small river nuclear icebreakers.”
                        You don't seem to know much. This is exactly how they were positioned - river, port, whatever you want to call it. they had less length and draft. worked at the mouths of northern rivers and in northern ports
                      2. 0
                        12 June 2024 10: 09
                        And how does this change the fact that they were built in a capital country? The pinnacle of our civil shipbuilding is nuclear icebreakers. But even some of them were not built here.
      2. -5
        7 June 2024 11: 15
        The economy of the USSR was disgusting, today it is perhaps even worse.
    3. +2
      7 June 2024 08: 11
      The fairy tale about how “in the USSR the economy was so ugly that they could win the war and knew how to make missiles, but didn’t know how to make sausage” is enough to retell a thousand times.

      This never happens anywhere because it is the delirium of a madman

      Something else happens - the absolute helplessness of society in the face of ordinary thieves and traitors. This is not a fairy tale, this is before our eyes all our lives, almost every day.
      The economy and, in general, everything good that was in the USSR was pumped up like crazy, and the “USSR economy” itself turns out to be to blame for this.
      1. -3
        7 June 2024 12: 42
        Quote: ivan2022
        The fairy tale about how “in the USSR the economy was so ugly that they could win the war and knew how to make missiles, but didn’t know how to make sausage” is enough to retell a thousand times.


        The economy of the 40s and the economy of the late 80s should not be confused; they were different economies.

        The first won the war, the second lost the country.
    4. +1
      7 June 2024 08: 17
      Cattle and pigs and other livestock were kept in the USSR, it was ugly...now small owners don’t keep cattle, except for large farms it’s bad again...What do you think for a large owner in the current conditions, is it beneficial if a small owner starts keeping cattle and so on?
      1. -3
        7 June 2024 11: 16
        ".What do you think for a large owner in the current conditions, is it beneficial if a small owner starts keeping cattle and so on?"

        Of course not. In general, the state supports the big ones against the small ones, but this is a mistake.
        1. +2
          7 June 2024 11: 46
          Under the “totalitarian regime”, on our collective farm there was a meat and dairy farm, sheep were bred on mountain pastures, a pig farm, a poultry farm raising guinea fowl, a chicken farm, where would we be without it, a fish farm. At the same time, the collective farmers kept poultry, pigs, cows, and sheep , whoever wanted what. Now, from this Soviet lawlessness, all that remains is a fish farm, privatized of course, we grow “golden” fish, at a price of course, it is not for everyone. We have never lived as well as we do now.
          1. -2
            7 June 2024 13: 49
            “Under the “totalitarian regime”, on our collective farm there was a meat and dairy farm, sheep were raised on mountain pastures, a pig farm, a poultry farm raising guinea fowl, a chicken farm, where would we be without it, a fish farm.”

            And in our city there were no goods in stores, but now there are.
            1. +3
              7 June 2024 13: 57
              Are you saying that we robbed you? Cows were buried, and milk was poured into our mountain stream, and you received 125 grams of bread there in the city? Did you live on 12 rubles? We took everything we had to the city to the market...
              1. -2
                10 June 2024 11: 46
                We took all ours to the city market and took it.. 5-7 rubles for meat, 2 rubles for a dozen eggs, 10 rubles for a half-liter jar of honey, 1 ruble per kg for potatoes, and so on...
                Benefactors, what's up...
      2. -2
        10 June 2024 21: 59
        What do you think for a large owner in the current conditions, is it beneficial if a small owner starts keeping cattle and so on?

        He doesn't care drum - a city with a population of one million requires 100 tons of meat per day when consuming 100 grams of meat. Moscow with its 20 million requires 2 tons of meat per day.
        And this is with a meager estimated 100 grams per person; in reality, consumption is much higher..
  9. +1
    7 June 2024 08: 03
    The author of the article or a liberal is the only one who can crap the past
    1. +3
      7 June 2024 08: 18
      And who in our country is the main kicker of the USSR?
  10. 0
    7 June 2024 08: 39
    Separate subject of research : find out how, under any authorities and laws, Russia lives under an Autocratic Monarchy and the one who “surgeons sewed his ass instead of a head” and a traitor and a thief can rule the country, but there are no normal ones?

    Or was Christopher Minich right back in the 18th century about “government directly by God?” It seems like God could do better...... laughing
  11. +2
    7 June 2024 08: 51
    Judging by the comments, the USSR collapsed due to strong prosperity, the people did not understand their happiness while standing in lines for almost everything, except for bread, which was available thanks to Canada; they were pleased with the huge number of livestock in the USSR with the complete absence of meat in stores.
    1. -5
      7 June 2024 09: 22
      The enemies of the USSR do not even understand the meaning of their anti-Soviet manuals; they are not able to justify and prove them. For 30 years now, they have been chanting “The USSR collapsed” in unison, but are NOT able to prove how countries can collapse on their own.
      1. 0
        7 June 2024 09: 43
        To say what they wanted, madam, the USSR collapsed due to the complete incompetence of the people who ruled it and their inability to use the repressive apparatus that was in their hands, as your great leader said, the top cannot, the bottom does not want.
        1. -2
          7 June 2024 09: 48
          Ha, well, here we go again with meaningless training manuals. If you have enough intelligence, take any country in the world and use its example to explain how this country can “fall apart” by itself.
          1. +2
            7 June 2024 09: 54
            You won’t believe it, but any large country falls apart due to internal problems, and no one else, nor any reptilians, destroyed the Roman Empire, but the manuals are yours, I’m not a member of any party.
            1. -2
              7 June 2024 09: 55
              Which is what needed to be proven. The enemies of the USSR are NOT able to prove and justify their anti-Soviet clichés and manuals. Best wishes .
              1. +1
                7 June 2024 09: 59
                Do you need any proof that there was a shortage of food and light industrial goods in the USSR? What do you need, madam?
                There was a shortage, there were queues, there was complete distrust of state propaganda; when they show striking Italians who are clearly better dressed than prosperous Soviet citizens, questions arise.
        2. 0
          7 June 2024 14: 32
          And for what reason did the Russian Empire collapse? And a little earlier the Moscow kingdom?
          1. -2
            7 June 2024 14: 39
            The Russian Empire could not withstand the war against the backdrop of internal contradictions, and the Muscovite kingdom never fell apart.
      2. -1
        10 June 2024 11: 51
        For 30 years now, they have been chanting “The USSR collapsed” in unison, but are NOT able to prove how countries can collapse on their own. the most primitive - for example, a sheep came to the Ryazan region wanting to get into the Politburo. cut out ALL cattle in the region for the sake of his chair and even a little in the neighboring regions...
        Looking at this ram and realizing that he will easily be in the Politburo, will the residents of the Ryazan region defend the USSR? Everything is certain, as 1991 proved...
        And the entire elite were such sheep...
    2. -2
      7 June 2024 19: 32
      "with a complete absence of meat in stores"
      Have you tried looking for it outside of furniture stores or clothing stores? There were some, they were called a grocery store, a supermarket, a bazaar, after all. How tired of you, mourners, who have not seen meat all your lives.
      1. -1
        10 June 2024 11: 56
        they called a grocery store, a supermarket, There were “soup sets”, nothing more. Overly experienced meat cutters and commodity experts worked...
        bazaar - 5-7 rubles per kilo.

        In the quiet, peaceful year of 1984 I saw a fight in “Meat” in Moscow - when Hungarian chickens were thrown out there...

        By the way the word "thrown out"Nowadays everyone understands for some reason NOT in Soviet
  12. +1
    7 June 2024 08: 56
    [quote]Especially taking into account the interruptions in food supplies to the industrial centers of the USSR at the end of the leadership of the real “miracle worker” Nikita Khrushchev[/quote]
    Interruptions in supplies occurred during the leadership of the miracle worker Stalin, to which part of the Plenois of the Central Committee was devoted. From the transcript:.

    [Quote]many sectors of agriculture are in a state of disrepair: little milk, little meat. What is communism if there are no cakes and butter?

    Voice from the Presidium. There aren't enough potatoes.

    No amount of attention will help if a certain amount of milk must be given from this cow and comrade Zverev takes a tax from this same cow. When you calculate everything that a collective farmer gives for a cow, it turns out that all he has left is manure. Therefore, the collective farmer decides to get rid of this cow.

    Let's take the issues of potato and vegetable production. We have reduced prices for potatoes and cabbage, but there are NO potatoes and cabbage in stores. [/ Quote]
    and in 1952 F. M. Filkin from the city of Bezhetsk, Kalinin region: [quote] “The situation in the city is very unfavorable with regard to the food supply of the population. There are no food products in the stores except wines, vodka, canned goods and expensive types of sweets. White bread and baked goods are completely absent. There is no sugar, no cereals, no fats or sausages, and sometimes it’s even difficult to get black bread[/ Quote]
    [/ Quote]
    So the desire of the country’s leadership to finally feed the population was natural and understandable.

    Everything was simply done, as always under the Bolsheviks, through: it had long been known and reported to the leadership that investing the same funds that went into virgin lands into an already EXISTING agricultural sector, Russian, first of all, would have brought a much greater STABLE increase in production wa grain, meat, etc. In the same RSFSR it was mastered. million hectares of virgin land and at the same time... Almost the same amount has been Abandoned.

    Virgin land is a crime against Russia and its people, which has pumped out the last resources from agriculture and the population of Russian villages and hamlets.

    [quote]Expecting in advance the inevitable “post-virgin lands” problems with the provision of grain (and their processed products) from Soviet resources.[/quote]
    It is unlikely that they expected “post-virgin” problems (too far-sighted for them0), but they believed that the weight of grain and other things would not be enough.
    1. -4
      7 June 2024 09: 27
      The fact is that you, enemies of the USSR, have not been able to get rid of the USSR for all 32 years, selflessly “suck up” everything that the communists and their supporters did, how they worked and fought, and are AFRAID to honestly discuss yourself, what you yourself did, the results your highly paid job, by this you yourself admitted that you have not done anything useful for Russia and its people, but that you have only caused harm to the country and the people.
      1. -1
        7 June 2024 09: 43
        Quote: tatra
        THAT is what youenemies of the USSR , for all 32 years you haven’t been able to get rid of the USSR, you selflessly “suck up” everything that the communists and their supporters did, how they worked and fought, and are AFRAID of honestly discussing yourself

        I remind you that the ARTICLE cited above is being discussed here, EVERYONE is being sucked in, EXCEPT YOU, but you are simply FLOOD OUTSIDE the topic of the article.

        Write an article about the “enemies” attacking you from all sides and we will discuss it and more lol
        1. -7
          7 June 2024 09: 46
          The Soviet period is being discussed here, which is why the enemies of the USSR came running to criticize. And as your anti-Soviet period is discussed, you are never there to defend each other, your anti-Soviet government, your System and economy. You all have “nothing to do with it.”
  13. +4
    7 June 2024 10: 39
    It’s not just that at almost the same time, that is, at the height of the virgin lands epic, an agreement was signed with Canada on the long-term import of wheat... The very development of these lands on a large scale began, as is known, in June 1954, which was prescribed by the February-March Plenum of the CPSU Central Committee.

    The author turned the entire logic of events inside out, just to crap his pants on Khrushchev out of habit.
    Who went to purchase grain abroad in order to finally feed the country.
  14. -2
    7 June 2024 11: 25
    ....An urgent agreement is being implemented, according to which 3 tons of wheat will be delivered to the USSR by April 500.”

    With a population of about 1972 million in 250, there are 3500000/250000000 = 14 kg of wheat (not flour) per year per inhabitant. Thanks to Canada - I fed you!
    In 1972, the gross wheat harvest in the USSR amounted to 88 million. i.e., imports amounted to 3,5/88 = only 4%.
  15. -2
    7 June 2024 11: 30
    The author refers to the article, [Point of no return: the transformation of the West into a raw materials appendage and the beginning of the end of the USSR, https://regnum.ru/article/1560515], which refers to liberal sources, according to which it is impossible to verify the transformation of the USSR into a raw materials power. I still haven’t found the volume of supplies in annual terms of oil from the links through the article Point of No Return....
    Conclusion: the statement about the raw material appendage is deception
    it would be necessary to examine the rest of the statements in that article, but searching for primary sources takes time
    1. -1
      7 June 2024 19: 20
      Especially for those who put minuses, I present my calculations, which give a picture different from children's textbooks of the 2000s published for children. If you can, refute it.
      According to [Ioffe Ya.A. We and the planet: Figures and facts. 7th edition, expanded. - M.: Politizdat. 1988. - 256 p.] on page 121 oil and gas exports in 1986 amounted to 29.9 billion rubles. At the same time, this year all exports amounted to 68 billion rubles, imports 62.5 billion rubles. The national income of the USSR for this year was, according to [http://be5.biz/makroekonomika/gni/su.html#main], approximately 849.8 billion dollars, at the rate of approximately 0.7 in rubles, about 662.9, respectively, the share of oil is about 4.5% . If they stopped buying oil, it could not affect the country in any way. As for Russia’s dependence on oil, the figures are as follows [https://barrel.black/dohod-rossii-ot-nefti.html]. At an oil price of $60 per barrel, income will be about $114 billion. Russia's income, according to the same site, is $231 billion, the share of oil income in Russia's total income is 49.3%. Thus, when speaking about the dependence of the USSR on oil trade, the author is outright lying.
      It is also necessary to add that during the existence of the USSR there was a community of socialist CMEA countries, to which the USSR supplied most of the exported oil under contracts with a fixed price for the plan period (5 years) within the framework of a single socialist economy. Thus, less than 2.25% of oil ended up on the free market, i.e. the USSR practically did not trade oil at all, and accordingly, it could not depend on it!
      1. -1
        10 June 2024 12: 05
        on page 121, oil and gas exports in 1986 amounted to 29.9 billion rubles. At the same time, this year all exports amounted to 68 billion rubles

        That is comprehend that 29.9 billion for oil = a little less half of all 68 billion for exports - poorly??
        1. +1
          10 June 2024 13: 27
          did you even understand what you read?
          interesting is the share of the National Income,
          I quote part of the text again:
          At the same time, this year all exports amounted to 68 billion rubles, imports 62.5 billion rubles. The national income of the USSR for this year was, according to [http://be5.biz/makroekonomika/gni/su.html#main], approximately 849.8 billion dollars, at the rate of approximately 0.7 in rubles, about 662.9, respectively, the share of oil is about 4.5% .
          1. -2
            10 June 2024 21: 02
            The share is deep purple - quite enough that half money from everything EXPORT - money from oil.
            This means that the USSR did not export practically anything of high value.
            Because there was also ammonia, electricity, timber, and so on, which occupied a certain share of exports.
            1. +1
              11 June 2024 11: 18
              1) Confirmation of enemies
              (Point of no return: transformation into a raw material appendage of the West and the beginning of the end of the USSR).
              means that the bulk of our income in the USSR should come from oil, but in fact this is an absolutely insignificant part, which is what is being said.
              2) If you personally want to discuss the structure of exports and the dynamics of this structure, then this is a completely different question. At the same time, do not forget to take into account that most of this oil went to the CMEA countries, whose economy was a continuation of our Soviet economy within the framework of socialist integration. This pipeline was built for their sake. Exporting to the CMEA countries and exporting to the market, as it is now, are completely different things. And the fact that a small part went on sale is incidental and can generally be neglected.
              1. 0
                11 June 2024 20: 06
                a small part went on sale incidentally and this can generally be neglected. but they continued to eat cactus... ugh - supply gas to NATO in Germany....

                This pipeline was built for them. for starters, look at who the gas-pipe deal took place between. And then come up with a theory about who.

                And yes, the Czech Republic demanded 10 years free of charge gas supplies “due to the difficult financial situation” (not literally) and still begged.
                И past Soviet citizens, gas flowed to Europe - Germany for the construction of Leopards against the USSR, free for the Czechs, for the Bulgarians for vegetables ..
                And they continued to heat their own with wood/coal.... Well, it’s our own, it’ll do just fine...
                By 1986, 9% of rural settlements were gasified (including bottled gas).
                Germany had gasified by 78% by 1983.
                1. 0
                  11 June 2024 20: 53
                  According to paragraph 1, you are silent, which means chief do you agree.
                  Regarding exports, I don’t see any point in arguing about those volumes that amount to a few percent of the annual national income.
                  But if you think that 1% is worth a little time, then...
                  1) I don't
                  moving theories
                  , this is what you are doing here, only your hypotheses without facts have not yet reached the status of a theory. I gave the facts.
                  2) If you refer to transactions of the 50-60s, then show me the literature where they are mentioned. Deadlines, volumes. Not demagoguery.
                  3) Czechoslovakia - part of a planned economy within the framework of socialist integration.
                  And yes, the Czech Republic demanded 10 years of free gas supply “due to the difficult financial situation” (not literally) and finally begged for it.

                  Can you find a link where exactly Czechoslovakia “demanded”? Not at Solzhenitsyn's, please.
                  1. 0
                    12 June 2024 00: 13
                    Quote: October
                    1) I don't
                    moving theories
                    , this is what you are doing here, only your hypotheses without facts have not yet reached the status of a theory. I gave the facts.

                    what facts?
                    Quote: October
                    между BY WHOM the gas-pipe deal took place
                    ?
                    Was there all sorts of socialist camp crap in this deal, or was it the USSR and Germany?
                    for you personally - the Central Asia-Center gas pipeline passed us by 1972(70 km) - gas was brought to us in 1999.Damned capitalists and not the people's system....
                    I'm deep below the waist at the average 18cm - whole the socialist camp, which disappeared as soon as the free feeding ran out.
                    The difference of 27 years infuriates me when I had to carry coal
                    And also Leopard tanks built during the USSR using USSR gas
                    1. 0
                      12 June 2024 19: 06
                      1)
                      what are the facts?

                      For example, this is
                      [Ioffe Ya.A. We and the planet: Figures and facts. 7th edition, expanded. - M.: Politizdat. 1988. - 256 p.] on page 121 oil and gas exports in 1986 amounted to 29.9 billion rubles.
                      If it's not enough for you, you can look here
                      https://istmat.org/node/21347?ysclid=lxaro26226292691958
                      here are statistical collections on foreign trade of the USSR from 1918 to 1990, in particular there are distributions of oil supplies to different countries, by social. and by cap. Look, check where the bulk of the oil went.
                      2)
                      supply gas to NATO in Germany

                      ?
                      Was there all sorts of socialist camp crap in this deal, or was it the USSR and Germany?

                      It seems like you gave out this and a lot more similar things, but you didn’t provide me with any links. But there is a lot of aplomb about
                      I'm deep below the waist at the average 18cm

                      those. essentially you have nothing to say
  16. +1
    7 June 2024 12: 00
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    Not all craft brewers will brew 30 varieties.

    When is beer brewed? The wort is heated, then cooled, yeast is added and the wort gradually turns into beer through the appearance of ethyl alcohol during the fermentation process. I omitted the process of preparing the wort, but beer is not brewed, although brewers are called brewers. Well, maybe now they cook it from powder. By the way, hops are no longer grown in Chuvashia, and swill, store-bought or craft, blended with potato alcohol cannot be called beer. Real beer would now cost from 300 rubles per bottle.
    1. +2
      7 June 2024 16: 01
      Nonsense. Cost of 1 liter. beer in Russia is much less than 100 rubles. Well, let's say 60-70. This means we add the factory’s earnings, VAT, retail margin and divide by 2. We get the price of a bottle of 65-80 rubles. This is on average. Premium brands are more expensive. But even a decent Spaten from Germany costs 120 rubles. for 0,5 jar. And this is import! No 300 rubles. there is no trace of it. As for quality - yes, there is a lot of junk in retail, so we don’t buy it. There's a lot of good beer too. A friend came from the States and drank Samara, he said that the beer was very good. I agree with him.
  17. 0
    7 June 2024 13: 27
    The paradox of a great country. Advanced industry (military-industrial complex, atom, aviation and space, metallurgy, etc.) - on the one hand, and on the other - simply could not feed themselves. We purchased grain not only in Canada, but also in the USA and other countries, up to a maximum of 30 million tons per year (!) And this despite the fact that Ukraine was part of the USSR, where there was black soil, not clay. Thank God it's in the past. Today Russia fully provides itself with grain and up to 30 - 35 million tons for export.
  18. 0
    7 June 2024 14: 03
    Where do these myths come from that we did not have enough grain? There was a shortage of high-quality grain, which we still don’t have. Remember what white bread and bagels were like, now there is no such bread, these bagels were made from imported wheat.
    1. 0
      7 June 2024 14: 32
      In the USSR, the range of bread in retail was minimal. At the same time, we had good grain, we just didn’t have enough of it, as well as feed. Now the range and quality are available. For every taste and budget. In this, Russia left the USSR 100 years ahead.
      1. 0
        7 June 2024 14: 36
        Have you eaten bagels? And how old are you, if it’s not a secret?
        1. +2
          7 June 2024 15: 51
          Ate. I am a 1964 bottling. I remember Borodinsky more from the Union, I spent a month and a half on an internship in Bulgaria, the bread was different there, I returned home, my mother’s borscht with Borodinsky, ugh, I missed that then. Well, now there is a lot of Borodinsky everywhere, but different factories, some are tastier, some are worse.
      2. -4
        7 June 2024 19: 23
        Which direction did you go?
        Bread with fungus - achievements?
        In the RSFSR over the last 40 years of existence
        the population grew by 50%, and productivity by 40%, and the price was minimal.

        And there was no genetic engineering.... The productivity of the RSFSR at the end of the 80s in the Russian Federation only reached after 2000. Ten years down the drain.... Generally speaking, if in the USSR they laughed about comparisons with Tsarist Russia, now the comparison is with the times when there were no smartphones - a strong argument?
      3. 0
        7 June 2024 19: 39
        “In the USSR, the range of bread in retail was minimal”
        There were many types of bread, and they were all different. Nowadays there are a lot of types of bread, but it is all the same and crumbles into sawdust and crumbs in a couple of hours, because it is made from feed grain.
  19. 0
    7 June 2024 16: 03
    In the 70-80s, I had to travel around Kazakhstan. In the Kustanai or Tselinograd regions the field was completely sown, in the Turgai region there were more bald spots than were sown. And on virgin lands the land is different.
    Oh, they baked tastier bread there, in central Russia. I don't know how it is now.
    I heard rumors that Canadian grain was used to feed livestock. wink
  20. 0
    7 June 2024 18: 21
    Quote: Glagol1
    A friend came from the States and drank Samara, he said that the beer was very good. I agree with him.

    There used to be beer gone. According to the Soviet GOST, Zhigulevskoye must ferment for at least 21 days, and the alcohol must be in the range of 2,8-3,2%, the sales period should not be more than 7 days. Can you find a light beer with less than 4% content now? Strong beer like Leningradsky, 6% alcohol, was aged for 100 days. Now they just do business, prepare water to taste, carbonate it and add alcohol. There was also a requirement for the drinkability of beer, i.e. the mug could be drunk in one gulp. Oh, how I loved beer. Now I only drink vodka, organic, Onegin or Chistye Rosy, grain alcohol.
    1. +1
      7 June 2024 19: 41
      Quote: Konnick
      There used to be beer gone.

      It seems like the only brewer in the USSR-Hero of Socialist Labor was from Samara. wink
  21. -1
    7 June 2024 19: 07
    "Moreover, since 1978, the maximum possible supply volume has been increased to 1,75 million tons/year"
    But is it okay that in 1978 in the USSR, including on former virgin lands, 127,4 million tons of grain were harvested? Canadian 1,75 are not visible against this background
  22. 0
    7 June 2024 19: 24
    The article is overly politicized and superficial; no analysis of the state of affairs in USSR agriculture has been carried out.
    A good analysis is given in the article “Agriculture in the RSFSR and the Russian Federation 1950-2016 (Part 1)” at [http://riskprom.ru/publ/43-1-0-403]
    Here are some of the author's conclusions:
    “The reform undermined agriculture relatively more than industry, as can be seen from the sharp decline in the share of rural areas in the structure of the country’s economy. If in 1990 agriculture contributed 16,4% of GDP, then in 2001 – only 6,9%, in 2005 - 4,7%, in 2010 - 3,9%, in 2013 - 4,1%, in 2016 - 4,3%. An unprecedented situation has developed in Russia: deindustrialization is taking place in the country. and at the same time it ceases to be an agricultural country."
  23. 0
    7 June 2024 19: 57
    Quote: There was a mammoth
    It seems like the only brewer in the USSR-Hero of Socialist Labor was from Samara.

    So the Zhiguli plant in Samara pampers the locals, on the Day, so in my opinion this is a place next to the plant, there is a kiosk where they sell almost real beer on tap. At the plant there is an inscription “Here is the birthplace of Zhiguli beer” and the smell of grain fermentation all around.
  24. -1
    8 June 2024 07: 14
    Quote: Konnick
    ...I loved beer. Now I only drink vodka...

    Starter drug theory in action.
  25. +1
    8 June 2024 08: 32
    Quote: Artem Savin
    Starter drug theory in action.

    Well, yes....at the age of 60, vodka is the starting drug
  26. 0
    10 June 2024 17: 17
    At one of the concerts, G. Khazanov went on stage in the 80s, carrying a machine for selling sparkling water on his back.
    Allegedly, his wife nagged about the fact that everyone is carrying everything from work, but why aren’t you carrying it? He worked in a factory that produced these machines.
  27. 0
    10 June 2024 17: 19
    Quote: Konnick
    Quote: There was a mammoth
    It seems like the only brewer in the USSR-Hero of Socialist Labor was from Samara.

    So the Zhiguli plant in Samara pampers the locals, on the Day, so in my opinion this is a place next to the plant, there is a kiosk where they sell almost real beer on tap. At the plant there is an inscription “Here is the birthplace of Zhiguli beer” and the smell of grain fermentation all around.

    Moreover. In the early 2000s, the Samara plant sued the Zhigulevskoye brand. And he opened a restaurant at the plant, where in 2006 the price of beer was the same as in Germany