Russia needs to get bolder. The question is what and how

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Russia needs to get bolder. The question is what and how

In the previous article “To go or not to go” pressing questions were asked, but any of them require answers. And now we will try to analyze several options for the development of events, tightly tying them with politics, because without this there is nowhere.

But first, let’s outline a situation that is, as it were, on par with a combat mission, and many of our readers have already submitted some very good ideas in this regard.



What does American opposition to the Russian Army in the south generally look like?


It’s simple: a flying nuisance like the RQ-4B enters the neutral waters of the Black Sea, closer to the border of our territorial zone, and begins to calmly circle there.

Let us emphasize – in accordance with international law.


Here is a diagram showing the division of maritime territorial zones. Air space is divided in exactly the same way as sea space. That is, 12 miles of territorial waters are inviolable, this is the territory of the state. 12 miles of the adjacent zone, also called customs or sanitary, is actually a continuation of territorial waters, in this zone the state has the right to exercise control over ships of other countries. In general, this is also a control zone, including in the air, if there were appropriate means for this.

But this is 12+12=24 miles or about 45 kilometers. But then the special economic zone begins. And since we are not interested in the production of oil, gas and fish, as far as our affairs are concerned, then, in accordance with international law, anyone can fly and swim there, as long as they do not violate international sets of rules.

That is, a reconnaissance UAV can easily fly into the SEZ, which is 370 km from the low tide line. And if in the first two zones the question “Should we go?” It’s not worth it at all, because you have to leave without talking, then in the third, economic, albeit special, there are problems with this. Since the UAV does not fish, does not extract oil, gas and other minerals, it does not seem to violate anything! Especially if it staggers without interfering with civil and military aircraft.


And so a tadpole like RQ-4B or MQ-9 flies into the SEZ of the Russian Federation on the Black Sea and begins to fly. At a decent altitude - 15–17 km, that is, without interfering with civil aircraft that fly much lower.

It turns out that there is such a repeater in the air that is able to hang for almost a day, not only is it looking at a decent distance with its systems, it is also capable of processing the information received and, using its communication systems, transmitting various information to those who really need it.

They are urgently needed, for example, by operators of unmanned boats of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which at this moment are heading towards Sevastopol. Or UAV gunners flying to Feodosia.

"Hawk" and "Reaper" are quite capable of seeing these devices and guiding them to the target. And do it quite accurately. Moreover, from such a height, the tadpole perfectly observes, for example, ships located at the piers or in the roadstead, and perfectly corrects the course of the BEC. We all saw how this happens; Starlink antennas were present on all neutralized boats.

But that's only half an orange.


Simultaneously with the guidance, the Yastreb BEC or UAV can perfectly view the entire coastal zone and note the reaction of the Russian side. Where and when, in what direction the ships came out to intercept the boats, how many helicopters were scrambled, and how many planes and on what courses they took.

This is the main task of “Hawk” and “Reaper” - to provide information about the tactical situation in the region of work. Planes, helicopters, missile systems, ships - everything that the sensors can capture drone, will be chewed by the processor and transmitted via satellites to the information center.

Everything is in real time and with precise coordinates: synthetic aperture radar is a very serious component of avionics, and the SAR/MTI subsystem provides scanning and detection of moving targets within a radius of 100 km.

In general, this SAR/MTI allows observation with a resolution of 6 meters over a strip of width 37 km and length from 20 to 110 km.

That is, “Yastreb” can quite normally monitor almost all methods of counteraction on our part: launches of air defense missiles, takeoffs of fighters, helicopters, movements of warships. After which we can expect a variety of ways to develop the situation, from a change of course by the same BECs to a strike with cruise missiles or ATAKMS on air defense missile systems. Or any combinations, it’s not so important here.


In the above diagram from the cartographic studio “Colored Pencils “Tactics” by Alexander Zimovsky, you can evaluate how the “Yastreb” RQ-4B worked almost unhindered for 16 hours in the line of sight of its AWACS equipment in the southern part of the Black Sea at an altitude of about 16 meters.

Plus, it is worth noting that at times the device approached our borders on the verge of a foul in the Sochi area. How much information he was able to process and transmit during this time is, in fact, a very vital question.

It is absolutely clear and understandable that this device, calmly flying along our border and watching everything that happens on our side, and even transmitting everything it sees via satellites anywhere, is absolutely not in the hands of Russia. And it really needs to be dropped into the waves of our warm Black Sea.

The question is how?


Let's think about what methods can be used to knock down the same “Hawk” from the height to which he climbs, so that there is nothing politically responsible for it?

In general, of course, there will be a howl in any case, but the whole question is purely in the consequences.

Let's start from the bottom up.

6. The ship


A ship at point X with missiles capable of performing such a task.

That’s why it’s in last place because everything is sad in this regard. Considering such a formidable enemy as that very unit of the Ukrainian Armed Forces with unmanned boats, which showed itself so well, everything is completely sad. And somehow we have very few ships with the naval analogue of the S-300 on the Black Sea. True, you can easily rely on Shtil-1, which is an extremely harmful thing, because the Buk just needs to get a little closer. That's all.

This means that the only ones who can depict something so meaningful are the old and new “Petrel”, of which there are as many as five on the Black Sea. And considering that “Grigorovich” is performing some tasks in the Mediterranean Sea, then all four.

But the ship is a large and clearly located target. The exit and any movements of the ship will not be a secret, especially since it is still clearly visible from satellites. What to do, a ship is a slow thing. And there's nothing to be done about it.

No complaints, actually, just a statement of fact: a vile dirty trick like the “Hawk” or “Reaper” will easily and naturally fly around any ship beyond the reach of its air defense.

In addition, the launch of a rocket from a ship is simply perfectly monitored and becomes public knowledge and the subject of showdowns. And since the ship is very clearly tied to a point in space, it is very difficult to excuse the crew who thought that the drone was in our space.

In general, we have few ships, and everything is somehow tense with them. And this is not the best way to counteract.

5. Coastal air defense systems


Coastal air defense systems, even if placed at the very forefront, are not very effective against such a target as even a large drone. A long distance gives rise to unpleasant moments with the possibility of retargeting missiles, as was already the case in the Black Sea or in the Mediterranean, when Syrian “specialists” shot down our Il-20.


Even if we assume theoretically that our missile will be retargeted at some civilian aircraft, as the Ukrainian one did at one time, the probability is very small, but even it should be excluded, which means that the use of air defense missiles at their maximum distances should be abandoned.

And firing a missile at a drone that is located in neutral space will definitely ensure howling and groaning everywhere, from the media to the UN Security Council. And no one will listen to the arguments of the Russian side, and our diplomats are not very good; they will not prove that the UAV posed a security threat by its actions. And then all sorts of resolutions and further sanctions. Everything as usual.

However, this option should not be discounted.


Aviation


It's very interesting here. There are several ways to use aircraft to destroy UAVs. More precisely, we are talking about the use of various types of weapons.


4. Rockets

Missiles are also missiles in Africa, and therefore the use of missile weapons by fighters is quite comparable with the previous points. That is, it is quite possible to track the launch (and with the cameras of the same UAV) and, based on the evidence obtained, create just a luxurious scandal.

And then measures will most likely be taken. Laughter and laughter, and when our plane’s missile went down in an emergency, not even completely in the direction of the British plane, for quite a decent time in the Black Sea region all the relevant NATO planes flew with fighter cover. Covering a drone that can fly for almost a day is, of course, still a pleasure, but other methods of protection can be used. Political and financial.

In general, the use of missiles is too noticeable and definitely entails not the most pleasant consequences. Therefore, it is worth acting more subtly and not so noticeably.

3. Maneuver


The maneuver is quite a good thing. Both a cloud of kerosene dumped along the UAV’s route and a stream of hot gases from the nozzles of engines operating in afterburner are not bad. And effective. But the trouble is - this has already happened, and remember how many shouts there were about the fact that Russian pilots do not comply with international flight safety rules?

Apparently it works, because there have been no recent air incidents. Reconnaissance tadpoles fly around as if at home.


2. Artillery

More interesting thing. And due to the fact that the Hawk and the Reaper do not have rear-view cameras (not a problem, of course, but not yet), you can safely approach from the rear hemisphere and fire a certain number of shells. It’s possible to miss such a hefty thing, but it’s difficult, especially if the pilot is trained.

And a burst from a cannon is not as noticeable as a rocket. Moreover, who has seen how the “frrr” of 20 shells occurs - quickly and almost imperceptibly.

Here, of course, the only question will be whether NATO gentlemen will be able to quickly catch material evidence of a riddled nature from the water. If they catch it, high, of course, they will raise a universal one, but if they don’t, it won’t, and there will be no trial.

1. EW


This is truly the top of our hit parade. In general, what could be better than an airplane flying a kilometer or two from a drone?

Doesn’t violate any international codes and rules, after which the UAV either flies in the wrong direction or flies down completely?

Moreover, both options are working. And there is no need to reinvent the wheel for them. There are hanging containers. From the same “Geranium”/“Lilac”. But you will have to stuff a slightly different set of blocks into them.

The guts of the “Resident”, the part that stifles navigation, would be great, because that’s what the station does just brilliantly. Plus, all the equipment of the “Resident” is not so bulky. A reconnaissance UAV that doesn’t know where it’s flying is unpleasant. Because he can fly anywhere, but there (see points above), in our territorial waters, no one cares that his navigation is faulty.

Or something completely epoch-making, like “Lever”. Yes, you will have to work a lot here, “Lever” is heavy. And its capture sector is not 180 degrees, much less, but, as they say, a flying microwave will cook jelly from any processor.

The use of electronic jamming stations looks most preferable from a political point of view. Who knows what is in the bottle under the belly of the plane, kerosene or radio-electronic units? And it will be very difficult to present a burned-out processor as evidence. Who knows what caused it to burn? Maybe it was Chinese...

Why is so much attention paid to the political component of the conflict? Why American drones don’t go astray except for two very acrobatic stunts performed by Russian pilots?

Because politics is the engine and brake of everything in the world. Starting from military conflicts and ending with Olympic ridicule. She is behind everything. And therefore, yes, you have to act with an eye on what the world will say.

On the one hand, I understand that this seems to be the case, but on the other...


On the other hand, he would rent a drilling rig to the Houthis in the area preferred by Hawk operators for flights. Providing them with everything necessary for life. Well, you know what we're talking about. These guys generally have politics down their sleeves; they have no authority in the West. So whether it’s an aircraft carrier or a drone...

We must lead by example. Okay, Russia is a civilized country, but even a civilized country needs a certain amount of arrogance. And sometimes it turns out like in a Soviet cartoon – the mice are vicious, and the cat is still saying, “Let’s live together.” The way our diplomats express concern goes something like this.

No, our world today is not like that. Respect is only given when a club is attached to a sweet smile and a bow on the neck. Large and knotty, plus it demonstrates the desire of this club to retreat from someone who does not understand where the shores are.


A strange war with a constant look to the West and a demonstration of readiness for negotiations - where is the strength and confidence here?

Advance towards Kharkov? Yes, I agree. This is better than a thousand words about negotiations, because in our country, unfortunately, everything except unconditional surrender ends with either the Brest Peace or Khasavyurt. And always not in our favor.

So, yes, it’s realistic here only up to Karlshorst, but what to do if it doesn’t work out any other way?

Perhaps the term “arrogance” is not entirely correct, it is more about demonstrating strength and confidence in one’s actions, but what difference does it make if the United States has to pay for it with its “Hawks” who work for Ukraine?

If you drop a number of RQ-4 Global Hawks, and each one costs $140 million, that is, a little more than the F-16 Fighting Falcon (34 million for Block 52), enlightenment should come to the brain. The lost millions of dollars contribute greatly to this.

Besides, what else, what sanctions can scare us? Put titanium on the sanctions list? Yeah, Boeing will be the first to rush to the Senate with hammers.

What else can you do to scare us all who are already so scared? No, of course, if we are talking about personal sanctions, such as golf courses in Europe and hotels in Dubai, then, of course, yes. There is no trick here against scrap.

But if we are talking about how to demonstrate power and self-confidence, it’s hard to think of anything better than a couple of “Hawks” flying to the Black Sea on vacation. After all, whatever one may say, the damage is purely financial, people will not suffer in any way. This means that all of the above points are good.

In the end, sooner or later, you will have to start. So, maybe we can bang after all? Even if not the whole world is in ruins, but a couple of “Hawks” are very necessary...
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  1. +9
    6 June 2024 04: 49
    Thank you for the competent article, otherwise the smart guys are already sick of them with their posts, whose bad AWACS are directing the air defense and aviation of non-brothers throughout the territory of the Northern Military District and the surrounding area, right up to the Urals, and satellites are tracking the movement of each of our fighters. /*Sarcasm*/
    1. -9
      6 June 2024 05: 23
      The time has come to change international legislation in connection with the development of technology and expand the adjacent zone by an order of magnitude.
      Or it’s time to hang our reconnaissance UAVs off the coast of the United States.
      Takeoff from Venezuela or Cuba and flights of UAVs, etc. as close as possible to the USA.
      1. +24
        6 June 2024 05: 38
        Or it’s time to hang our reconnaissance UAVs off the coast of the United States

        Are there any, excuse me? Well, so that, like the Global Hawk, it could conduct surveillance for more than a day.
        1. +6
          6 June 2024 08: 55
          Where does it say about a daily flight?
          And further. A good article on the topic: “Well, do something! Try to be men! Stop trying not to offend the West! am ". And, interestingly, there are a lot of minuses for patriotic comments. And, the further, the more. Does Tsipsota work?
          1. +6
            6 June 2024 10: 32
            Quote: My address
            Where does it say about a daily flight?
            And further. A good article on the topic: “Well, do something! Try to be men! Stop trying not to offend the West! am ". And, interestingly, there are a lot of minuses for patriotic comments. And, the further, the more. Does Tsipsota work?

            On our side, when you fly on a slow reconnaissance aircraft, and then back it will take a day.
          2. -2
            6 June 2024 14: 54
            Quote: My address
            Does Tsipsota work?

            It’s working for now, but sooner or later they’ll be buried.
        2. 0
          7 June 2024 13: 07
          For example, “Orion”, “Altius-M” - about 40 hours, the parameters are similar. The range is also comparable to the American ones. They cost less, of course, RUR 10, but it’s also not bad. Production is already underway. By the way, the United States really kicked our military industry - thanks to them for that.
      2. +6
        6 June 2024 05: 51
        Or it’s time to hang our reconnaissance UAVs off the coast of the United States
        The Chinese showed their teeth by launching a balloon over the United States, which they managed to shoot down with great difficulty. This is so that mattress makers understand that they are not the only owner in the house.
        1. +5
          6 June 2024 13: 38
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          Or it’s time to hang our reconnaissance UAVs off the coast of the United States
          The Chinese showed their teeth by launching a balloon over the United States, which they managed to shoot down with great difficulty. This is so that mattress makers understand that they are not the only owner in the house.

          I wanted to write about the same thing. The Chinese launched it, the Americans were on their ears. And who is stopping us from launching from Cuba with a tailwind towards the States, and then say, it was blown away by the wind. Load the basket with electronics and solar panels and “let it fly”!
      3. +1
        6 June 2024 07: 53
        Change? Yes.
        But not at the table of endless negotiations and agreements, but in fact, what is happening.
        You'll see that opponents will become more “negotiable” on all aspects of international relations.
        1. +1
          7 June 2024 01: 46
          Quote: U-58
          You'll see that opponents will become more “negotiable” on all aspects of international relations.

          We do not have “opponents”, but “partners”.
          And this is not sarcasm, unfortunately. Unfortunately, this is reality.
          1. +1
            7 June 2024 02: 34
            And the “partners” seem to be sexual... Who had and have the upper echelons of power in Russia as they want at any time and in any position.
      4. +2
        6 June 2024 10: 37
        Or it’s time to hang our reconnaissance UAVs off the coast of the United States.

        Ty! Do we have them?
      5. +2
        6 June 2024 22: 23
        The time has come to change international legislation in connection with the development of technology and expand the adjacent zone by an order of magnitude.

        International legislation has remained unchanged for thousands of years - whoever is stronger and more cunning is right.
        Or it’s time to hang our reconnaissance UAVs off the coast of the United States.

        You can bet on how many minutes he will “spend” there
      6. -1
        8 June 2024 08: 27
        excuse me... but WHY do we hang them there... for what? We don’t hang anything over our land nearby... but what are we going to watch over America?) Senators golf game live? Well, it’s just interesting to find at least some grain of logic)) they do this to strike at us. And they do.
      7. 0
        9 June 2024 21: 07
        So what, our UAVs will guide the Cuban anti-ship missiles? wassat
    2. 0
      6 June 2024 08: 46
      Thank you for the competent article, otherwise the smart guys are already sick of them with their posts, whose bad AWACS are directing the air defense and aviation of non-brothers throughout the territory of the Northern Military District and the surrounding area, right up to the Urals, and satellites are tracking the movement of each of our fighters. /*Sarcasm*/

      UAVs are being tracked. And they work online.
      I recommend viewing. "Territory of Evil"

    3. +3
      6 June 2024 10: 01
      satellites track the movement of each of our fighters

      I don't know about the fighter.
      But modern satellites (6 years ago) can transmit video in real time.
      Link
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWM40f_HW7o
    4. 0
      17 June 2024 01: 16
      IT IS POSSIBLE AND NEEDED TO Announce Exercises with missile launches over the entire Black Sea in the morning!
      OFFICIAL WARN AND START!
  2. +4
    6 June 2024 04: 52
    It needs to be extinguished, even yesterday. Just yesterday it was necessary to supply drone missiles to Iraq, Syria, and Yemen to kill the Americans!!! Until the Supreme Commander stops chewing snot and putting his puffy cheeks under his ears, the war will continue, American drones will fly over the Black Sea!!
    1. 0
      7 June 2024 01: 29
      Quote: zontov79
      American drones will fly over the Black Sea!!

      They won’t if they learn (as the Iranians did!) to intercept control of UAVs and land them on their territory. But we don’t know how to do this.
      Second. If you launch the Su-57A under the REP umbrella, then it will be able to carry out an attack with a missile with an EMP generator instead of a warhead without being VERY noticed. Something on the Reaper will definitely burn out! There’s just one problem: if control from the command post is lost, these UAVs go to their airfield in an autonomous, automatic (!) mode, without any additional commands.
      Here's something you can work on. It’s a pity that their connection, damn it, is through satellites!!!
      And so everything is simple: “shake and you will find!” (With) bully
      1. 0
        7 June 2024 11: 32
        attack with a missile with an EMP generator instead of a warhead.

        For two years I have been tormented by the question of EMP ammunition. Do we have them in stock, and if so, why are they not used? Logically, the use of EMP in combination with isolating the combat area looks like a way out of the positional state
    2. +1
      7 June 2024 02: 10
      What's there to be modest about? Give Kim about 20 tons of plutonium, and then...Everyone will screw it up. They will instantly forget about tranches to Ukrainians, supplies of various missiles and aircraft... Kim is serious.
  3. +6
    6 June 2024 05: 01
    He will see the takeoff of an interceptor with a cannon or electronic warfare container capable of burning a Global Hawk (which does not yet exist in nature) at the taxiing stage
    1. +4
      6 June 2024 05: 09
      Quote: Tlauicol
      He will see the takeoff of an interceptor with a cannon or electronic warfare container capable of burning a Global Hawk (which does not yet exist in nature) at the taxiing stage

      This is if the airfield is 400 km from the "GC". But what is further away is no longer there. And if you attract the MiG-31, which is the interceptor, and hide behind the take-off of the MiG-31, which is with the Kinzhal, then even if they detect the take-off from satellites, then there is no further, and the GC will not have time to go anywhere, at Migar’s cruising speed.
      1. -12
        6 June 2024 06: 13
        And if you attract the MiG-31, which is the interceptor, and hide behind the take-off of the MiG-31, which is with the “Dagger”, then even if they detect the take-off from satellites, then there is no further, and the GC will not have time to go anywhere, at Migar’s cruising speed.

        Bravo!
        Here is the remedy - a MiG-31 with a “dagger”, and a “dagger” with a self-propelled warhead. They should be off.
        Only then will you have to fight for real, and in the first place.
        1. +4
          6 June 2024 06: 15
          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          Here is the remedy - a MiG-31 with a “dagger”, and a “dagger” with a self-propelled warhead. They should be off.
          Only then will you have to fight for real, and in the first place.

          Don’t you know that the MiG-31 was initially and still is mostly an interceptor?
          1. -11
            6 June 2024 06: 28
            The MiG-31 is a platform that, with the Dagger under its belly, is like a pregnant woman sprinting. The interceptor acts either on a target several times inferior to it in speed (B-52) or proactively during external guidance (SR-71).
            And the "Dagger" hits a given point, detonating the warhead. So a UBC with a flight time of one minute is guaranteed to destroy the Global Hawk.
            1. +6
              6 June 2024 06: 50
              Quote: Victor Leningradets
              The MiG-31 is a platform that, with the Dagger under its belly, is like a pregnant woman sprinting. The interceptor acts either on a target several times inferior to it in speed (B-52) or proactively during external guidance (SR-71).
              And the "Dagger" hits a given point, detonating the warhead. So a UBC with a flight time of one minute is guaranteed to destroy the Global Hawk.

              No questions.
        2. BAI
          +5
          6 June 2024 08: 40
          Only then will you have to fight for real, and in the first place.

          And so it should be. Because in war the main principle is: you die today, and I die tomorrow.
          1. +8
            6 June 2024 08: 46
            And so it should be. because in war the main principle is - you die today, and I die tomorrow.

            I don't mind. I mean that after this you will have to fight seriously and you won’t be able to turn on the rear. We’ll have to stop having nice conversations with our “partners” at the PEF, and accept the parade on November 7 at an undraped mausoleum, despite the threats.
      2. 0
        6 June 2024 07: 07
        He doesn’t have to go far - 20-50 km and he’s in Turkish waters. In 10 minutes it will fly 100 km
        1. +1
          6 June 2024 07: 09
          Quote: Tlauicol
          He doesn’t have to go far - 20-50 km and he’s in Turkish waters. In 10 minutes it will fly 100 km

          That’s why the MiG-31 is disguised as an attack version.
          1. 0
            6 June 2024 07: 32
            A moment with a Dagger over the sea, accompanied by fighters? Too suspicious
            Will leave
            1. -2
              6 June 2024 08: 15
              Quote: Tlauicol
              A moment with a Dagger over the sea, accompanied by fighters? Too suspicious
              Will leave

              What is not clear? Several MiGs take off, which of them with the Dagger, and which interceptor is not visible from the satellite, and then the flight is not tracked by anything, and some with the Dagger - to ukria, and some with RVV - to the World Cup, when reaching the detection range of the GC radar, switch to cruising supersonic and impact.
              1. -1
                6 June 2024 10: 33
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                What is not clear? Several MiGs take off, which of them with the Dagger, and which interceptor is not visible from the satellite, and then the flight is not tracked by anything, and some with the Dagger - to ukria, and some with RVV - to the World Cup, when reaching the detection range of the GC radar, switch to cruising supersonic and impact.

                And again, an attack on an aircraft of an officially neutral country in neutral waters. And then our Oil Tanker will receive a missile on board. winked
                1. -3
                  6 June 2024 10: 38
                  Quote: BlackMokona
                  And again, an attack on an aircraft of an officially neutral country in neutral waters. And then our Oil Tanker will receive a missile on board.

                  What evidence?! Even the launch of a rocket is not a fact that will be determined. Do you think strategists just don’t fly alone? Strictly so that if one was shot down, the other would have time to raise the alarm. And then there's the UAV...
              2. -1
                6 June 2024 14: 29
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Several MiGs take off

                Why can’t you launch some kind of transport plane with machine guns, electronic warfare... It flies and flies... Understand what it’s flying.
        2. -2
          6 June 2024 07: 12
          He doesn’t have to go far - 20-50 km and he’s in Turkish waters. In 10 minutes it will fly 100 km

          And in one - he only has time to detect the launch and turn around. Launch distance 160 - 180 km.
          1. 0
            6 June 2024 07: 20
            About missile launching - see point 4 in the article. You don't even need Mig for this.
            1. +1
              6 June 2024 07: 37
              Missiles are also missiles in Africa, and therefore the use of missile weapons by fighters is quite comparable with the previous points. That is, it is quite possible to track the launch (and with the cameras of the same UAV) and, based on the evidence obtained, create just a luxurious scandal.

              You can track it at dagger range, but you won’t be able to react. But they will still throw hysterics, even with diarrhea to boot.
            2. +1
              6 June 2024 11: 41
              Quote: Tlauicol
              About missile launching - see point 4 in the article. You don't even need Mig for this.

              The only justification there is “They are missiles and there are missiles in Africa.”
    2. +11
      6 June 2024 07: 05
      He will see the takeoff of an interceptor with a cannon or electronic warfare container capable of burning a Global Hawk (which does not yet exist in nature) at the taxiing stage

      Yes, let Hawk see our fighter take off and get out. Maybe this is exactly what to do - their UAV came close to our coast - raise a fighter towards us, if it manages to get down - good, disruption of the patrol mission, Hawk will not be able to transmit information and ensure the operation of his non-brothers. If it doesn’t knock you down, shoot it down with a cannon. This is how it needs to be done, in my opinion.
  4. +5
    6 June 2024 05: 02
    At the very beginning of the article about sea zones, the USSR did not suffer from this, and the sea zones were different. To the question why this convention was signed if you are now suffering. The maritime zones used to be different and no one dared to enter; there were, of course, provocations. What if we withdraw from this convention? Previously, they would not have dared to even talk about belonging to the northern sea shelf.
    1. +1
      6 June 2024 06: 09
      At the very beginning of the article about sea zones, the USSR did not suffer like this, and the sea zones were different. To the question why this convention was signed if you are now suffering.

      Having removed their head - they do not cry through their hair!
    2. +3
      6 June 2024 12: 56
      The USSR did not suffer this way, and the maritime zones were different. To the question why this convention was signed if you are now suffering. the problem is that it was the USSR that signed them...

      The sea zones used to be different and no one dared to enter, of course there were provocations. from 1945 to 1955 there were more than 30 flights into the airspace of the USSR. Besides Powers, who was shot down later, there were a bunch more
      1. 0
        6 June 2024 15: 40
        Quote: your1970
        from 1945 to 1955 there were more than 30 flights into the airspace of the USSR. Besides Powers, who was shot down later, there were a bunch more

        In those days, there was a complete fuss going on - scouts based on nuclear weapons carriers flew all the way to Moscow. And each time the management could only guess whether it was a reconnaissance aircraft flying or a strike one.
  5. +8
    6 June 2024 05: 11
    And if so: he irradiated me with radar - an act of aggression, I will receive a missile in response. What if it’s, like, an SU-27? Powerful forces, and is he going to launch rockets? You can't figure it out based on the light on the radar, and there's no time to figure it out, you have to react. Oh, is that your unarmed observer? Sorry, there was a mistake. And in general, anything can happen in a combat zone, so it would be better if you didn’t launch them in these places.
    The senile Joe will not start a war because of this, and it will be a significant blow to his nose, especially before the elections.
    1. -7
      6 June 2024 06: 08
      The senile Joe will not start a war because of this, and it will be a significant blow to his nose, especially before the elections.

      Will definitely start! This is why it was put in place by your real power. Simply at an inopportune time, without fully deploying the rear, without working out the interaction. And this is a chance.
    2. +2
      6 June 2024 06: 43
      Quote: Nagan
      Senile Joe won't start a war over this
      The other day I listened to Fighterbomber, he had the same opinion, and he said it verbatim:
      On the eve of the elections, Bidon will not start a war even if we sow the entire bottom of the Black Sea with these downed drones, but there is one key point, these must be drones, i.e. No American pilot should be harmed. This is what is important to him during the election campaign.
      And Bidon doesn’t feel sorry for these rippers, they’ll print more green candy wrappers and make new UAVs; it’s even beneficial for them now to promote military orders against the backdrop of the elections.
    3. BAI
      +6
      6 June 2024 08: 42
      Senile Joe won't start a war over this,

      When a British destroyer entered our waters, Putin said that a sunken ship was not a reason for war, but did not sink it

      The whole question is whether there are any responsible persons for eggs at all, and if so, what kind of eggs are they?
      1. +4
        6 June 2024 09: 13
        “Boiled chicken” (C) and those, apparently, are soft-boiled sad
      2. +8
        6 June 2024 09: 25
        . The whole question is whether there are any responsible persons for eggs at all, and if so, what kind of eggs are they?


        The question is different and broader: what have these “eggs” been doing for the last couple of decades? Otherwise, no matter where you point, there’s nothing you need at hand. Satellite constellation for reconnaissance and target designation? Aircraft AWACS? Reconnaissance and target designation drones? Yes, a uniform for equipment after all? Where? But no. And what? From any box it was broadcast that there was an abundance of everything, including UAVs. And in the end? We also buy batteries, flashlights, hacksaws, axes, up to expensive thermal imagers and other things. Is it normal?

        Result: there is nothing to answer! Nothing! And there is no one! You need to be aware of your capabilities. Whatever opportunities there are are all ours. But not more. It’s like in a fight: “closet” and “skin.” The result is clear, I hope? Unless of course. "Drisch" is not a master of sports in hand-to-hand combat.
        1. 0
          6 June 2024 11: 02
          How did this tough guy survive in hand-to-hand combat, and even become a master of sports in hand-to-hand combat?
      3. -1
        7 June 2024 00: 57
        Quote: BAI
        When a British destroyer entered our waters, Putin said that a sunken ship was not a reason for war,
        Well, he knows better (using the example of Kursk) ... winked
        Quote: BAI
        but didn’t drown
        request
  6. +4
    6 June 2024 05: 19
    In general, the adversary must be brought down quickly, decisively and openly, as soon as his actions (direct or indirect) begin to cause material, human and image losses to the country. But if it’s so boring and diplomatic “Byzantium” seems preferable to common sense, you can start making UAV fire-ships and let them fly along the same route for the same official espionage purposes, and no one is guaranteed against regular “accidental” collisions. What to do, it’s crowded in the Black Sea sky!
    1. +4
      6 June 2024 05: 56
      To make a UAV flying at altitudes of 15-17 km, you need more than one year of work and more than one billion money.
      1. +1
        6 June 2024 06: 12
        Okay, we won't involve you.
        Actually use exhausted combat aircraft
        not such an impossible task (or rather doable and executable)
        Let’s skip the technical nuances - it’s none of our business, the main thing is that it can be solved quickly and cheaply
        1. -1
          6 June 2024 11: 34
          Why make a UAV. For such a task, buy back from India 21 migas of at least 4 vehicles through triple hands. Base them away from the coast and so that they are not visible from satellites. With a PTB it has a range of 1500 km. Unmarked. Next on the classics. It flies past and blows it off the cannon and just as quickly goes down, below the radar horizon and home.
      2. +5
        6 June 2024 09: 34
        . It takes more than one year of work and more than one billion money.


        The most interesting thing is that everything we needed was there. And personnel, and time, and money. And ready-made "swifts", for example. Even then, “those”. And then the “smart” heads said: no need! Now there are no Swifts, no engineers, no time. Many companies and design bureaus were physically destroyed.
        What you sow is what you reap. There are no miracles.
        1. +2
          6 June 2024 15: 45
          Quote: Podvodnik
          The most interesting thing is that everything we needed was there. And personnel, and time, and money. And ready-made "swifts", for example. Even then, “those”.

          Did not have.
          Tupolev UAVs are operational-tactical vehicles with a flight time of about one hour. Making a long-range UAV based on this that can stay in the air for many hours is easier to do from scratch.
          I'm not even talking about a real-time data transmission system from a distance of several thousand km.
      3. +1
        6 June 2024 18: 31
        This is if strong business executives and effective managers are hired. Back in the sixties, MiG-17s were used to make radio-controlled targets for pennies.
  7. +5
    6 June 2024 05: 26
    The worst thing is that the Kremlin leadership does not have the political will to take such steps. Afraid . For various reasons... But the result is the same: American drones feel calm over the Black Sea
    1. +4
      6 June 2024 09: 36
      . Afraid


      How to answer? Nothing! What are the possibilities, such is the answer.
      1. +1
        6 June 2024 11: 36
        Full of opportunities and resources. There would be a desire
        1. 0
          7 June 2024 00: 52
          The novel of opportunities to land tadpoles drew an entire article. Anything, just choose. But for some reason no way.
  8. +3
    6 June 2024 05: 37
    Here we need to look rather from the point of view of world law. Are we at war with the United States or are we already fighting to shoot down their drones with impunity? Let's think realistically. Therefore, I would exclude all means of physical destruction, electronic warfare is possible, it looks like the target was shot down, but we can say that it was not us, and in general they just flew by nicely. Then it seems like we have nothing to show, in other cases there will be an answer, and we won’t like it, no one will fuss and coo with us.
    1. +2
      6 June 2024 07: 37
      We are at war with the United States or are already at war to shoot down their drones with impunity

      According to the mind, such actions cannot be advertised, and one cannot report after they are performed. Bandera’s supporters do not recognize the shelling of Belgorod, Donetsk or the terrorist attack on the Crimean Bridge. But establishing where and who is from is not so easy (the story of the downed Boeing will not let you lie).
      P.S. But I was daydreaming about the fact that the top wants to win, but in fact its goals are the opposite.
    2. +1
      6 June 2024 15: 45
      Quote from turembo
      Are we at war with the United States or are we already fighting to shoot down their drones with impunity?

      You will also ask whether we are at war with Ukraine. wink
  9. +1
    6 June 2024 05: 37
    The Kremlin’s actions with constant concerns and warnings are very annoying.
    This policy of the Supreme Commander led to disastrous consequences that our strategic enemy has become insolent to the limit... and will continue to become insolent.
    Now we have to break his arrogance over the knee... there is no other way.
    I have already said that it is necessary to attack US foreign bases with the help of local partisans, exposing them to weapons, advisers and intelligence agencies.
  10. +5
    6 June 2024 05: 38
    Article From the category: If only I were a director. You reason apolitically Roman, you see life from the window of a personal car
    1. -3
      6 June 2024 07: 31
      And it wouldn’t hurt for the author to learn Russian.... but it’s already hopeless.
  11. -3
    6 June 2024 05: 40
    And sometimes it turns out like in a Soviet cartoon - the mice are vicious, and the cat is still hammering out his “Let’s live together”

    - Let's watch the cartoon!
    - It's time to launch a series with "animal"! laughing
  12. -6
    6 June 2024 05: 54
    I think if, instead of the high-explosive filling on the S400/500 missiles, you put a warhead with an EMP and launch it along the trajectory of an American UAV, so that when it explodes within a radius of 20-50 km, it burns out all the electronics, then they won’t be undermined. There was no physical contact.
    1. +1
      6 June 2024 13: 20
      so that when an explosion occurs within a radius of 20-50 km, it burns out all the electronics, then they will not be undermined. mmmm.... You offer nuclear weapons belay blow up so that electronics are burned for 20 km?
      About 50 km I am silent ....
  13. 0
    6 June 2024 06: 03
    Quote: 77alex77
    Article From the category: If only I were a director. You reason apolitically Roman, you see life from the window of a personal car

    It’s good at least this way... and not from an apartment in Belgorod.
  14. -3
    6 June 2024 06: 08
    Until the Russian Federation creates real potential threats to the United States where Russia has the opportunity, the United States will behave brazenly and aggressively. The Cuban missile crisis is an example.
    1. +2
      6 June 2024 13: 25
      The US will behave brazenly and aggressively. The Cuban missile crisis is an example.

      you forgot one point - AT FIRST The USSR withdrew missiles from Cuba, and THEN USA from Turkey.
      1. -1
        6 June 2024 15: 49
        You forgot one nuance - FIRST the USA deployed its missiles on Turkish territory and only then the USSR deployed its missiles in Cuba.
        The USSR created a threat to the USA. The Americans turned on the "back".
        1. -1
          6 June 2024 19: 42
          The Americans turned on the "back". but LATER THE USSR.
          Or they might not have included it at all - although they promised to leave Italy, they killed it and didn’t bring it out...
          1. 0
            7 June 2024 00: 59
            Well, it was Nikita who was scared. And what? If they hadn’t taken him out of Turkey, they would have returned him to Cuba. Stop biting the Union. This is your Motherland, and you water it non-stop.
            1. +1
              7 June 2024 07: 49
              This is your Motherland, and you water it non-stop. stating a historical fact (and the sequence of conclusion is a fact) is different from pouring slop.
              If I wrote that “everyone in the Central Committee of the CPSU was homosexual, because everything in the country was done through the butt,” it would be pouring slop. And even that is debatable...

              And if you consider the statement of facts to be slop, then you have no right to say that MSG is a traitor and because 16 million members of the CPSU “applauded the election of Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev as General Secretary of the CPSU!! (C) all Soviet media.
              And this will be slop worth 16 million - how come they didn’t notice the goat???!!!
              You'll decide where it is...
              1. 0
                7 June 2024 09: 25
                Yes, that’s it, they didn’t notice it. And out of 16 million, there are a lot of such “communists”, it turned out that they really liked this asshole. It crushed the CPSU and became bourgeois. Everything worked out for the marked one because the medium was nutritious.
  15. +3
    6 June 2024 06: 23
    A set of good wishes.
  16. -1
    6 June 2024 06: 26
    What kind of impudence is there - after all, it is absolutely clear that it is NATO drones that are fighting on the side of the outskirts. And there is only one conclusion - shoot down! And shoot down mercilessly! And to those who shout, explain why they shot down and why we will continue to shoot down. But the whole point is the weakness of our guarantor and those who manage him. This elite still hopes to reach an agreement with the West, although it has long been clear that they will do to the guarantor what they would do to Hussein or Gaddafi. Let us remember that some supposedly international court in The Hague put our peacekeeper on the wanted list! And the West has already crossed so many “red lines”, not paying any attention to our warnings, that it will only continue to put pressure on us! Already, drones are not only crippling our strategic bombers, but there have been attacks on three!!! strategic missile attack warning stations! And what a guarantor! Silent as a fish! Just think - does our government really want to expand this outskirts, even if the West or the Martians help it! Well, I have no hope for such a guarantor and those who manage him! But these managers may well sacrifice a guarantor, in the hope that they will not be touched... It’s somehow sad...
    1. +6
      6 June 2024 08: 41
      This is how the myths and illusions that Putin is Russia disappear.
      Without Putin there is no Russia (Volodin).

      Or maybe in reality everything is different?

      With Putin, is the continued existence of a sovereign Russia possible?
  17. fiv
    +7
    6 June 2024 06: 32
    Yes, I have a neighbor who loves to yell at inopportune times and listen to music loudly, but they can’t pin down the arriving outfit for a long time and for ten years. And here is a drone, and a disgusting one at that!! The law does not allow it, both here and there. If you work without enthusiasm and invention. Why are single-move moves always considered? Why did we build academies then, if e2e4 is the pinnacle of tactical art?
    1. +1
      7 June 2024 01: 05
      They just don’t want to pike her (the neighbor). What kind of blue profit does it bring to the fishermen? And there are more than enough methods. In Dumka, a lot of things have been invented over the years of huckster dominance.
  18. +4
    6 June 2024 07: 48
    A strange war with a constant look to the West and a demonstration of readiness for negotiations - where is the strength and confidence here?

    But the retirement age was raised quickly and sharply...
  19. -6
    6 June 2024 07: 59
    It’s not entirely clear what we will achieve if we shoot down a couple of UAVs - except that we will get hit in the face even harder.
  20. 0
    6 June 2024 08: 03
    It was, of course, possible to shoot down this particular side using all three methods described last. But besides the fact that the takeoff of Russian aerospace forces is monitored in real time, this scoundrel walked over civilian aircraft, a couple of echelons higher...
  21. +4
    6 June 2024 08: 26
    The problem is solved by an unmanned zone over the Black Sea.

    Erdogan will only be happy if all civil aircraft fly in transit through Turkey. He knows how to count money and benefits.

    How to organize it is a question for the military and politicians...

    Officially recognize Ukraine as a terrorist state and accuse the United States and the Britons of being in connection with the junta.

    And it’s time to shove the opinion of the West and the so-called “partners” into one well-known place.
    We are talking about the security of Russia.

    But does lawyer Putin have enough political will to make such a decision? That's the main question.
    1. +3
      6 June 2024 13: 36
      The problem is solved by an unmanned zone over the Black Sea. They explained it to you in Russian - there is physically nothing to create it with.
      Not only that, NATO may well begin to cover the GH with its fighters. And then even aviation will be powerless...
      1. -2
        6 June 2024 14: 16
        There is physically something to create. All methods are indicated in the article. There is nothing to create politically and legally.
      2. +1
        6 June 2024 17: 38
        These are complex air defense and aviation measures.
        The Houthis shoot down simply.

        And if they are afraid of partners, then we will wait for the remnants of the Black Sea Fleet, which is already hiding in Novorossiysk, to be cut down, all the radars will be gouged, the same C 300/400, as in Alushta, Evpatoria, airfields and the cherry on the cake will destroy the Crimean Bridge.

        If you are afraid, then close the SVO on their terms
        1. -1
          6 June 2024 19: 45
          The Houthis shoot down simply.
          and the Houthis have nothing to lose - they are hungry."Proletarians who have nothing to lose except their chains" (c) VIL
          1. 0
            7 June 2024 01: 11
            And yours, to whom you have something to lose? So your own people fall under the enemy, and Russian people die. Of course she's closer?
            1. +1
              7 June 2024 07: 59
              And yours, to whom you have something to lose? So your own people fall under the enemy, and Russian people die. Of course she's closer?
              Is your house light on? Is there internet? What about the plumbing?
              But 75% of the Houthis have none of this. Absolutely not...
              Basically....
              And the bombs that landed on the Houthis killed civilians - “That’s the will of Allah!”
              They have nothing to lose - like classical proletarians. Therefore, they can afford to fight the US directly...
              And we have grown fat in the form of light and the Internet. But people with fat don’t make revolutions, at most - a coup.
              1. 0
                7 June 2024 09: 31
                They do it with light and the Internet. Don’t worry, there will definitely be Alaverdi. The time has not yet come. Capitalism has rotted and will be consigned to the dustbin of history.
                1. +1
                  7 June 2024 09: 59
                  They do it with light and the Internet. Don’t worry, there will definitely be Alaverdi. The time has not yet come. Capitalism has rotted and will be consigned to the dustbin of history. boo-ha-ha...
                  Revolutions - yes!!! Rose Revolutions, Maidans, “Clear skies over all of Spain” - yes, easily!!!!
                  Only trouble is this NOT Revolutions and them NOT lead to socialism.
                  And for the Revolution you need:
                  1) a severely impoverished population (at the level of “What are we going to eat tomorrow???”, and not “Ugh, the Internet is slow!!!)
                  2) reducing the price level of human life to zero. To the level of “Look, they burned the landowner with his babies! It’s funny how they burn!” and “Guided by the revolutionary legal consciousness...”
                  3) complete anarchy of the security forces and the inability to force them to defend power
                  4) the collapse of industry to zero.

                  This is a revolutionary situation - this is exactly what happened in all countries in the 20th century where socialism won and the people overthrew capital.

                  There are only 2 exceptions to the general rule - Cuba and Mongolia. But in Mongolia, the locals, in my opinion, didn’t even understand right away that their system had become different lol
                  1. -1
                    7 June 2024 11: 36
                    There will be no revolution, in the form in which it took place at the beginning of the 20th century. It is not needed. 30 years is not a long time and all the signs of the Soviet system, in one form or another, have been preserved in the Russian Federation and the mentality has been preserved. Adjustment towards the liquidation of a large private owner and the nationalization of industry, transport, infrastructure, construction, etc. Hairdressers, bakers and manufacturers of karst jewelry are not in danger. Let them serve the population. In other words, you need to strangle a bunch of oligarchs and capitalism will deflate.
                    1. +1
                      7 June 2024 12: 12
                      Adjustment towards the liquidation of a large private owner and the nationalization of industry, transport, infrastructure, construction, etc. boo-ha-ha.
                      So the majority of it is either state-owned or the state has a controlling stake...
                      But God forbid, they nationalized it. And then the average and small owner says, “Starting tomorrow, the price of products will be 10-50-100 times more expensive.”
                      And?
                      Then there are 2 ways - either nationalize them too - or they will sell them for a percentage to the director of the nationalized Gazprom at a NEW price. Which will also lead to the nationalization of small items.

                      And here we come to the main result of the NEP (that same one!) - under socialism, private property is impossible. Simply due to the fact that there will be a lot of money and the population will be indignant, “Why did we shed blood on Grazhdanskaya - if the bourgeoisie is in charge?”
                      And then we had to liquidate and now we will have to completely nationalize everything.
                      And it’s the same garbage with bakers/hairdressers - the state will have to subordinate supplies and services to itself
                      Otherwise, power will simply be bought on the vine.

                      For example, if the farm lands remain unnationalized, the village will tell you, “Why do we need this kind of socialism if the farmer rows and rows into his pockets, and we sit without work???”

                      In general, it is pointless to hope for a quiet and peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism. The same farmer, who has owned and worked on the land for 30 years, will simply burn the crop....
                      So it’s either like in the 20th century or not at all....
                      1. 0
                        8 June 2024 08: 24
                        All this is regulated by law and its strict implementation. Selling small things is allowed, but under the conditions set by the Soviet government. Well, like with a temporary detention facility. If he burns the crop, he will go dig a canal.
                        There is no talk of a quiet and peaceful return. But there will be no need to break the mentality of the huge masses, as at the beginning of the 20th century. This means there will be orders of magnitude less incidents and bloodshed.
                      2. -1
                        8 June 2024 15: 09
                        All this is regulated by law and its strict implementation. yeah ...
                        Ask why the Cheka was liquidated, to begin with....
                        And then you can talk about “steadfast execution”...
                        But there will be no need to break the mentality of the huge masses, as at the beginning of the 20th century. at that time, those who had gone through WWI and were able to lift a baby on a bayonet were young people. The oldest revolutionaries were 50.
                        And now young people will not support the idea of ​​slaughtering their bourgeois neighbor, but older people are more cautious/smart/cowardly.
                        Therefore, the Revolution is not expected until the circumstances I previously described
                      3. 0
                        10 June 2024 15: 29
                        All this is regulated by law and its strict implementation.

                        Even without a revolution, we have “the law, that’s a drawbar...”
                        And the “steady implementation of laws” in our country is some kind of fantasy, honestly lol
                      4. 0
                        11 June 2024 00: 13
                        It depends on the self-awareness of citizens, on the presence of conscience, if you like. With today's, I agree there is nothing to catch. So I’m not saying that capitalism will be slammed tomorrow. People need to mature and realize.
  22. +2
    6 June 2024 08: 31
    Dear Roman, your references to international law and internationally recognized zones are good in peacetime (the white period), but not now. For us: the “gray period” is neither peace nor war. In order to take the actions you described from points one to point six, it is necessary that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, on behalf of the President, declares the entire economic zone of the Russian Federation and Ukraine a combat zone in a circular note, citing the precedent of the conflict over the Malvinas Islands in 1982. Any aircraft or ship located in this zone will be considered a party to the conflict, with the ensuing consequences for it. For civil aviation, separate corridors can be designated with mandatory 24-hour notice. It is advisable to hand over the note at 4 a.m. Moscow time in order for it to arrive faster. Well, after that, apply all the measures that you described. Open for communication.
    1. +1
      6 June 2024 10: 03
      I share your point of view.
      The only caveat: AWACS aircraft now fly with cover fighters in the airspace of Romania and Bulgaria. With the introduction of a ban on the flight of all types of UAVs in the EEZ of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, there is no way to get them. And the AWACS radar controls the entire air and sea space of Crimea and partly Krasnodar edges. How to deal with AWACS? Send an IL-20 with electronic warfare to create noise interference? But modern radars switch to a new operating frequency in half a second.
    2. 0
      6 June 2024 14: 18
      But after that we will have to fight in earnest.
  23. BAI
    -4
    6 June 2024 08: 36
    Ude wrote more than once. I'll say it again.
    We need space nuclear weapons. Over the territory of Ukraine, closer to its western borders. Benefits:
    1. We do not attack anyone.
    2. Reconnaissance satellites over the territory of Ukraine are a legitimate military target. They are openly used against Russia.
    3. For 2-3 days, all NATO long-range weapons will be blind. And there will be no Starlink connection.
    4. An adequate response from NATO is impossible - we don’t have that many satellites. Moreover, Starlink is a private company, not a state; sanctions can be imposed against it or declared a sponsor of Nazism.
    5. There is no radioactive contamination of the area. The impact of AI is also weakened

    Disadvantages:
    1. The next sanctions will be introduced a month earlier.
    2. It will hook several of our and Chinese satellites - a solvable problem.
    The advantages clearly outweigh.
    Hello to the minusers (they have a reflex to the word YAV, like Pavlov’s dog).
    And the most important plus is that we will avoid a global nuclear war, because... The West will be convinced that we will not be afraid to use nuclear weapons. Now they believe in it and that’s why they become impudent
    1. 0
      6 June 2024 09: 00
      You should study the topic first! For example, a treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons in the environment, and then you can get smarter. Otherwise you look kind of stupid.
      1. -4
        6 June 2024 14: 16
        What does this have to do with contracts? They regulate the withdrawal and placement of nuclear weapons in space, but not their use. This is provided for both by the Americans and by us.
        1. 0
          6 June 2024 16: 51
          You cut yourself without a knife... smile Please re-read your comment...
          1. -2
            6 June 2024 18: 26
            I would recommend that you read the SIOP or a similar plan for our strategic nuclear forces, but they are classified Top Secret. Therefore, I advise you to read at least scientific articles about EMP and believe me that in the event of an exchange of nuclear strikes between the strategic nuclear forces of NATO and the Russian Federation, the first will be a high-altitude explosion of the nuclear power supply on the border with near space in order to destroy communication lines, electronics and control systems. This is in the plans of NATO and ours, respectively. Next: You Ukrainians, consistently voting for the Nazis, made your own choice: to die for the Yankees without receiving anything in return. And the last thing: the order to use nuclear weapons in Russia is given by the President, who is also the Supreme Commander-in-Chief: V.V. Putin, not me. Therefore, pray for his long-suffering and do not try to blow my mind.
      2. BAI
        -1
        6 June 2024 15: 07
        For example, a treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons in the environment, and then you can get smarter. Otherwise you look kind of stupid.

        It is even more stupid to fight with your hands tied, observing treaties.
        For what purpose do you need nuclear weapons if they cannot be used?
        And what will they do to us for non-compliance with the agreement?
        1. +1
          6 June 2024 16: 55
          In general, you are aware that space is common and is not divided by state borders; therefore, placement, let alone use, is prohibited. And this agreement is observed by everyone without exception. Both the Americans and we understand that if you start using nuclear weapons in space, chaos will begin...
          1. -1
            7 June 2024 00: 31
            In the event of World War III, there will be no common space; planet Earth will become our common grave; calm down, don’t argue about what is your understanding.
    2. +2
      6 June 2024 15: 50
      Quote: BAI
      2. It will hook several of our and Chinese satellites - a solvable problem.

      Some? Should I remind you about the Starfish Prime results?
      1,44 megatons at an altitude of 400 kilometers. Eventually:
      Three satellites (including TRAAC and Transit 4B) were immediately disabled by the electromagnetic pulse. Charged particles resulting from the explosion were captured by the Earth's magnetosphere, as a result of which their concentration in the Earth's radiation belt increased by 2-3 orders of magnitude. The impact of the radiation belt led to very rapid degradation of solar panels and electronics on seven more satellites. In total, the explosion disabled a third of the spacecraft that were in low orbit at the time of the explosion.

      That is, you can immediately say goodbye to the same “Messenger”.
      1. +1
        6 June 2024 16: 57
        Yes, you shouldn’t throw pearls in front of people who don’t understand the topic, absolutely. First, they need to explain that there are no boundaries in space!
      2. BAI
        -3
        6 June 2024 17: 11
        Should I remind you about the Starfish Prime results?
        1,44 megatons at 400 m altitude

        I don’t need to be reminded, I know him very well. That's why I suggest this option
        That is, you can immediately say goodbye to the same “Messenger”.

        We have one cow that will die, the Americans have 4
        1. +1
          7 June 2024 13: 33
          Quote: BAI
          We have one cow that will die, the Americans have 4

          But American cows will replenish themselves much faster than ours.
          And after this we can say goodbye to our cosmonautics until the full production cycle of absolutely all components is restored in the Russian Federation. Because after such a blow to its space program, the CCP will close the border tightly.
  24. +10
    6 June 2024 08: 58
    And what? Where are our ecstatic lovers of the almighty Khibiny, who blinded, deafened, and generally demoralized the crew of the destroyer? How hilarious it was to watch their ecstasies... If we had such electronic warfare, they would have planted and dropped the reapers and everyone else long ago. The problem is that electronic warfare has been promoted, hundreds of lyams have been allocated and cut down... That’s the problem... Dropping a scout is not a problem, but clearing up the consequences will be a problem. In addition, our Tu-95 MR, of which we have one and a half pieces, can also flop in neutral, off the coast of the U.S.S.!
    1. +1
      6 June 2024 09: 18
      I agree with you, but the main difference is that there are practically no military aircraft outside the country...
      1. +1
        6 June 2024 11: 00
        I’ll tell you a secret, bears regularly visit the coast of the United States, and what’s more, our submarines often hang around there. You understand, in this regard, our leadership has never been simpletons. The West has always known that they are in the crosshairs of our strategic nuclear forces.. Here the situation is different, for absolutely everyone, Ukraine is a local, regional conflict, with its own sides, unfortunately there is a minority on our side.
        1. 0
          7 June 2024 01: 21
          This is not a regional conflict, because the state of Ukraine is a twice-illegal entity (the Belovezhsky Conspiracy and the Bandera coup of 2014) but a civil war on the territory of the USSR, the preservation of which was voted for by the Referendum.
    2. 0
      6 June 2024 18: 51
      It is logical to answer in a mirror way. Do drones fly from Italy? Hire a guy there for Bitcoin so that he can fly an FPV drone to the airfield, go look for him later
  25. +3
    6 June 2024 09: 07
    The authors hypocritically forget that you can’t play such games alone.
    and after a couple of incidents, “resource supply partners” will play the same way
    They will be cautious, of course, but they will also answer “symmetrically/asymmetrically”
    Neutral waters? Is there no war? Do you supply resources? forward.

    It is much more important that, like the old song, they “have” it, but we “don’t.” So they dream about it, as if they didn’t have it.
    With the culprits that we “don’t have”, nothing can be done anyway....
  26. -3
    6 June 2024 09: 54
    Dear Roman
    Thank you for the brilliant and highly professional analysis, but on condition that it was not a whole series of hints to the opponent about what and how he should fear most from our side.
    They read us very carefully, scrupulously. There are not completely stupid people there. We shouldn’t, of course, overestimate the enemy, but we shouldn’t underestimate either - they are already taking measures to save their scouts and observers from what we can and, in fact, should do simply easily and very cheaply.
    And in general, how much longer can you expose yourself, then all the superiority in the air, which we seem to have achieved right away, but in fact we haven’t had for two years now, is not worth a damn
  27. -2
    6 June 2024 09: 55
    Introduce a ban on the flight of all UAVs or other aircraft (unfriendly) over the Russian exclusive economic zone 200 nautical miles (370,4 km) from the nearest point of the coastline. We just need to pass the law.
    Without the adoption of a law, navigation, the laying of pipelines and the use of airspace are allowed in the EEZ.
  28. -1
    6 June 2024 10: 01
    It has long been clear to everyone that this intelligence officer is an instrument (participant) in operations and attacks on our cities and targets. What evidence is needed to drive him out of there? It is necessary to bring him down, first by openly declaring this, by any available means. Of course, they will spit and climb again, this is where you need to show will and determination once. Afterwards, I think they will only conduct surveillance over the Romanian landmass. The Amers have the whole psychology of an arrogant cowboy, until they get punched in the teeth they won’t calm down.
  29. +2
    6 June 2024 10: 52
    Insolence is good when it is supported by something not abstract. And ours is very good. there are a lot of abstractions behind it, and when, in response to our impudence, they slap us in the face, our next move may not take place - due to the fact that we simply won’t have it in our deck.

    The situation with these UAVs is painfully similar to the dilemma with satellites and the concept of “outer space”, because from the point of view of international jurisdiction over the state, everything above 100 km is no longer national territory. Above Moscow, purely hypothetically, the Americans could hang a hefty cast iron asteroid at an altitude of 101 km - and we stupidly would not be able to do ANYTHING about it in the legal field. Also with satellites - when Powers was cutting over the USSR, then this, in cr. At least it was a violation of air regulations, and every single day everything flies over our territory and films what it wants. What can we do about this within the law? Also -NOTHING.
    Something can be done about such things only within the framework of “gentlemen’s agreements”, when we have on our hands a wave of wildly annoying things that we can do to the enemy - and we do them without violating anything and then tell them - “let’s change, “Guys, I don’t work with a hammer drill in the morning, and you listen to music in your headphones in the evening.”

    In reality, it’s a gray area of ​​law, this is the Problem. After all, we exist in a civilization where laws are interpreted according to the letter and not in essence. So we respond to the Amers and break the letter, but they spoil us and don’t break it.
    There cannot be an adequate DIRECT answer here if we REALLY DO NOT WANT or CANNOT go much further than this, to escalation. But the answer may be indirect - we just need to grasp what we could do that infuriates the hell out of them and hangs “in the gray area of ​​the law”, and start doing it.
    1. -2
      6 June 2024 13: 37
      How do you imagine the fall of a hefty cast iron asteroid from a height of 101 km? So what, is this a geostationary orbit?
      If you have the material, describe the trajectory of the “fall” of such a cosmic body.
      1. +3
        6 June 2024 13: 57
        I advise you to improve your abstract thinking somewhere. It is possible that the sense of humor is also not great.
        Actually, have you heard the old joke about the “head made of meat”? Inspired by.
        1. -2
          6 June 2024 14: 02
          Well, don’t write anti-scientific gags.
          It's like the Death Star! Both insertion into geostationary orbit and deorbit have a mathematical description and corresponding parameters of trajectories, impulses and energy costs.
          This is precisely why space-based air defense systems are ineffective.
          1. +2
            6 June 2024 14: 27
            Hear me, citizen! I’m not talking to you about whether this is possible or impossible - I gave an ABSTRACT example that if the Americans had the opportunity to hang an asteroid over Moscow at an altitude of 101 km, and it could hang there, for example - we would NOT be able to get to the bottom of it legally under international law.
            Because this is NOT our territory anymore, it’s like common outer space.
            I cited this as an example of a GRAY LEGAL ZONE, when everyone will understand that this is hellish hell and they don’t like it, but from a legal point of view it will be unrealistic to undermine it.
            The right of the letter and the right of the essence have diverged and there is nothing to be done about it, with logic like “we will shoot down” we will not solve this problem, it is stupidly huge.
            1. 0
              6 June 2024 14: 41
              I heard.
              Got it like this:
              You are walking late with a lady through the yard, and there are three local gopniks with clearly expressed intentions regarding the lady, and at the same time you. And you begin to be tormented by the question: how to resolve this conflict in the legal field?
              And Walter is warming up under your arm, who in six seconds can FINALLY solve the problem, but this will be an illegal act until you personally have your head broken (well, what about the girl? - and then the girl!).
              Any law is the dictate of the powerful of this world. If the force is with you, everything is legal, even if bloody.
              1. +1
                6 June 2024 17: 04
                They didn’t hear and misunderstood. After reading your little discussion with your opponent, I got the feeling that you are narrow-minded. Using the example of Gopniks. The person explains to you that the hanging blank will be there within the framework of the law, and we will not be able to do anything, but you gave an example of gopniks having illegal intent. Do you even think logically? The man explained to you three times that nothing can be done within the law. Your example from both sides, yours and the Gopniks, is illegal!
                1. -1
                  6 June 2024 17: 47
                  They didn’t hear and misunderstood. After reading your little discussion with your opponent, I got the feeling that you are narrow-minded. Using the example of Gopniks. The person explains to you that the hanging blank will be there within the framework of the law, and we will not be able to do anything, but you gave an example of gopniks having illegal intent. Do you even think logically? The man explained to you three times that nothing can be done within the law. Your example from both sides, yours and the Gopniks, is illegal!

                  The misfortune of our country is the overproduction of lawyers. Moreover, with primary education in natural sciences. I’ll explain it in the language of a normal person:
                  - The law is not at all the highest justice from God on earth, but a form of control by a powerful minority by a dominated minority in the form of a social contract;
                  - The execution of the law is ensured only by force, without this security - the law is powerless, and locally the law of force triumphs;
                  - In a situation that is hopeless from the point of view of the current legislation, but in the presence of sufficient force to resolve it, the primacy of force acts. According to the American proverb: “Let a dozen judge me before half a dozen carry me.”
                  And if you give analogies, they should at least be plausible. If you don't understand physics and mathematics, don't write about cosmic bodies.
  30. 0
    6 June 2024 10: 52
    Steam whistle, and further pleasant dreams. Maybe we need to do something silently?
  31. +2
    6 June 2024 10: 59
    Quote: Nagan
    And if so: he irradiated me with radar - an act of aggression, I will receive a missile in response. What if this, supposedly, is an SU-27 of the Insurgent Forces, and is going to launch missiles on its own? You can't figure it out based on the light on the radar, and there's no time to figure it out, you have to react.

    It works both ways.
    The MiG radar illuminated some F-xx, and that one with a rocket? So what?
  32. -3
    6 June 2024 11: 18
    The author forgot one more option.
    0. Black Sea Houthis. Specifically - Abkhazia. Who are they anyway, what do they belong to? Regarding Georgia - right now, any attempt at control will meet with armed resistance; they treat Georgia purely nominally. Are you independent? Is there really such a sovereign state with membership in the UN and other international organizations? Under our “roof”, that is, a protectorate? But this is closer to the truth. They themselves will not fight, I am completely sure of this, but let them pay with the flag and territory (for rent until everything settles down). Under the flag of Abkhazia, we load the “Thor” onto the ship and, under interference (and they already exist), we shoot down the drones. If something happens, all claims are against the Abkhazians.
    1. 0
      7 June 2024 09: 03
      What torus? Drones fly at 16000m. Not only Thor, but even the existing Calm will not reach them. Calm's ceiling is 15000, provided that the aircraft is exactly above the ship. The only S300f carrier in the Black Sea Fleet - RK Moscow - was sunk. Here is an example of why cruisers and destroyers are needed. They have the longest range of air defense. And the Ministry of Defense is writing off Peter the Great. We have a couple of ships for all fleets that can launch missiles to such a height. Not a single one of them is in the Black Sea Fleet. Everything that is newly built in the Russian Federation does not have the heaviest air defense systems.
  33. -1
    6 June 2024 11: 41
    Don’t you give a damn about all these “international” laws, which the West itself constantly ignores and violates. Shoot down all reconnaissance UAVs throughout the Black Sea. Boldly and demonstratively. And also to state that manned reconnaissance aircraft will be shot down in the same way, regardless of whether they are guarded or not. Security will also be destroyed. I don't care, it can't get any worse. And to the cries of the media and the UN, put a bolt on it, as the West has already done. You don't have to be holier than Caesar's wife. Affectionate persuasion and a game of giveaway, which is what the Kremlin is doing now, is the path to an even greater deterioration of the situation and to even greater sacrifices on our part!
    1. -1
      7 June 2024 08: 30
      Being right before the law and in justice is an important element of victory. Only those who are a hundred times stronger can neglect this. As a last resort, the enemy should shoot down a reconnaissance aircraft several times at the same distance from its borders. Then there will be a reason, but it is better to use electronic warfare methods. In the end, no one is stopping them from using the same intelligence officers themselves in their own interests in the conflict zone.
      1. -1
        7 June 2024 22: 38
        Being right before the law and in justice is an important element of victory.

        When the “partners” put the screw on the laws, then why should Russia be afraid to adhere to them, which are not in force? Those. They hit you on the head with a stick, but you can’t do that, right? Shall we wave our fists like gentlemen, and not pull out a huge club and hit the presumptuous boor on the head so hard that his eyes fall out? Yes? Should we lisp and lament “Let’s live together”? So?
        Only those who are a hundred times stronger can neglect this.

        Those who are no longer left with a choice can and have the right to ignore the “international laws” that have died in God - either on their knees, or fight and there is a chance to win, even if it is illusory. I will remind you of Churchill’s phrase
        - He who chooses between war and shame receives both war and shame
        What is your choice?
        As a last resort, the enemy should shoot down a reconnaissance aircraft several times at the same distance from its borders

        Yes Yes. Well, in Russia, alas, there are no UAVs comparable in terms of performance characteristics. Those that exist are not quite as good as strategists. There are few A-50s, and they have already lost several of them. If the A-100 appears, it will be in the very distant future. This time.
        And two - since international laws have ceased to apply, we need to establish our own, without regard to the rude boor! And there are 1000 of us wassat to the cries of the West - This is our country, these are our borders, these are our laws! Those who don’t like whoever interferes with us, we will kill them. All! DIXI!
        Nothing. swallow. The West is like that - very negotiable when they put a gun between its eyes.
        1. -1
          7 June 2024 23: 11
          Then I'll tell you how it will be. Shoot down a couple of scouts in neutral waters. NATO fighters will begin to cover them. Air and other battles will begin. NATO has many more aircraft. There is broad support for drone aircraft, which the Russian Federation does not have. With the help of Avax, even the F16 will see further than the Su35. NATO has many times more mobilization reserves, and its economic opportunities are incomparable. First, strikes will be made on radar stations. Then the no-fly zone and the entry of NATO troops into Ukraine. And since you will violate international law, the world community in the UN will not object. Half of the population will not support this, which will cause a crisis of power within the country with all the ensuing consequences. You want war, but you don’t know how to win. Just to get involved, but it doesn’t matter. The scenarios may be different, but there are no good ones. A good politician will find a way to get by without war. If you think that the scouts will not protect you, you are naively mistaken. Russia has already been portrayed as the aggressor; a coalition has already been put together for this crisis. All you need is a reason. We must first think and then act.
          1. 0
            15 June 2024 15: 03
            I understood your message - instead of punching a boor in the face, you need to take off your pants, stand on four bones and joyfully squeal and have fun. But this is not my option, nor, I am sure, for the vast majority of Russian citizens. Does the 4 country example say nothing? But they fulfilled all these conditions.
            Air and other battles will begin. NATO has many more aircraft.

            Nothing will start. Russia is not the barmaley in slippers who can be bombed with impunity. But, judging by the latest events, NATO is getting a good deal out of them too - the Afghans and the Houthis are an example of this. And here is a nuclear power that has the ability to turn both Europe and the States into glass in 30 minutes. Incl. no - they’ll swallow (alas, that’s what our leadership is doing now am ) and will leave the Black Sea region, it is only necessary to lose several UAVs or 1-2 Orions or the like.
            NATO has many times more mobilization reserves, and its economic opportunities are incomparable. First, strikes will be made on radar stations. Then the no-fly zone and the entry of NATO troops into Ukraine. And since you will violate international law, the world community in the UN will not object.

            Don't be hysterical. Why are you behaving like a liberaloid, well, really... What is “international law”? Wake up! The West put him on pipifax long ago. The West has once again reactivated another international law - the law of force. You still haven’t understood that words mean absolutely nothing if they are not backed up by the power and expression of the state to stand to the end! Will they send troops to 404? These are their problems. They will become a priority target for both convection weapons and nuclear weapons in the event of a severe aggravation of the situation when Russia is threatened with loss of statehood. There is such a clause in the doctrine regarding the use of nuclear weapons by Russia. And they know it. Incl. no, they won’t poke their noses in. But they will definitely do this if the leadership of the Russian Federation continues to chew snot, drawing another red-brown line.
            Half of the population will not support this, which will cause a crisis of power within the country with all the ensuing consequences.

            Managers, bloggers (ugh, what a dirty trick) and other lovers of the “European path of development” will support. And such people are not the majority. Well, maybe in Moscow. The hard workers from the outskirts will straighten up their faces themselves, even without the police.
            If you think that the scouts will not protect you, you are naively mistaken.

            Well, they will fall out of the sky once, along with the guarded Orion or UAV, and God be with them - the Black Sea sharks also need something to eat. The West understands such hints quite well.
            And stop being hysterical.
    2. +1
      7 June 2024 11: 37
      Well, I AGREE 100%! Screw (and don’t blame, it’s somehow not our way!) Don’t care, howl, make a scandal there... Lenya Brezhnev wouldn’t have become familiar (as was the case in ’82... There were also more than 200 passengers there - I don’t give a damn!) And it’s okay that he was “by mistake?” flew to Kamchatka and was shot down (shot) by an interceptor...
      Although the interceptor warned on the radio and gave signs with its wings...They shot it down...And the pilot also received an Order,...and...received it for the job...But they didn’t howl for long, because THEN....DON’T CARE was!!!
  34. +2
    6 June 2024 11: 47
    Everything you suggest is wrong.
    The most effective way is to buy more red markers and draw a bunch of lines, it works so well, Zakharova will not let you lie.
  35. -2
    6 June 2024 12: 06
    It is quite possible to comply with conventions in solving such problems, with the proper skill and funding, but under a strict heading.
    A Buka missile in a submerged container with a buoyancy support unit. For example, a submerged TPK dangles in the duty area at a depth of 10 m. An antenna is brought to the surface on the float to transmit target designation and launch commands via cable. A target appeared in the affected area, the team passed. The container floats up like a buoy, launch. The missile hits the target, the TPK activates the detonation of control units and antennas (covering its tracks) and goes to the bottom to meet the UAV...
    There are no planes or ships nearby in neutral waters...
    Delivery of such TPKs - by civilian ships (seiners, dry cargo ships, etc.) or from an airplane, with the addition of a parachute module... It’s even better to use submarines, but here it’s either retrofitting, which is faster, or creation, in an emergency, from scratch "roving partisan" naval air defense in TA dimensions. At the same time, it is necessary to work out a mechanism for collecting stray sea TPKs with missiles that are not activated as unnecessary...
    “Strength is what is acquired in secret from others”... As a separate project, having assembled a special design bureau, with extra-budgetary funding, this project can be implemented in a matter of months.
  36. 0
    6 June 2024 13: 11
    The author forgot one more point. This is a weapon based on new physical principles. The possibilities are unclear, but it also leaves no traces.
  37. +3
    6 June 2024 13: 11
    In order not to lose the war, Russia must stop looking back at so-called international law. All attempts to solve the combat mission and remain within the (American) legal framework are doomed to failure. Therefore, we must decide: either Russia is trembling, or it has the right.

    To get rid of American reconnaissance aircraft, you need to shoot them down. The fact that they are over neutral waters should not stop them. Space around the war zone (!!!) should be declared a no-fly zone to the depth of the maximum range of air reconnaissance aircraft. Civil aircraft must be removed from this area. And whoever didn’t hide is his problem.

    What to shoot down with is a solvable question. There are air defense aviation, there are coastal complexes. As a matter of nonsense, you can try to equip a submarine with launchers according to the principle - received the command “to fight” - surfaced - received a control center - fired - dived again. You also need to get rid of enemy sea drones. If you can’t protect yourself from them on the water, then they need to be destroyed on the shore. As a last resort - along with the shore itself. Because in war it’s like in war. In general, one way or another this issue can be resolved. The main thing is to stop chewing snot and get into a fight. And then it will be seen.
    1. 0
      6 June 2024 14: 19
      From everything I’ve read here, this is the most competent option, declare it to the UN Security Council, whoever doesn’t agree is heading for the forest!
    2. 0
      7 June 2024 08: 47
      This is the fastest way to fail. Are you an enemy of giving such advice? It’s one thing to supply weapons, it’s another to actually fight. Shooting down a drone is an act of aggression - a military attack. You don't know who owns which drone. You will turn everyone against you and officially give them a free hand. Missile launches are recorded, autocannon fire is captured on camera. The direct participation of NATO and the United States in the conflict is not the same as fighting against Ukraine. The supplies they receive provide only parity and have allowed Ukraine not to be defeated all this time. The capabilities of the Russian army and the state as a whole are much less than you think, apparently. The Russian Federation, unlike the USSR, which was autonomous, cannot exist in economic and political isolation for a long time. The reaction of the world community matters.
      1. +1
        7 June 2024 09: 11
        Unfortunately, there are still a significant number of idiots in Russia who think the same way as you. Including among the country's leaders who determine the strategy of today's war. That is why we have been marking time in one place for three years, uselessly wasting time, human lives and material resources. And the enemy, meanwhile, successfully takes advantage of our companionship and, slowly, cooks us over low heat. And very soon it will completely destroy us if we do not change our attitude towards this war and continue to play giveaway.
  38. 0
    6 June 2024 14: 16
    Quote: BAI
    Only then will you have to fight for real, and in the first place.

    And so it should be. Because in war the main principle is: you die today, and I die tomorrow.

    Even a fool can die, but he must win.
  39. +1
    6 June 2024 14: 26
    I read the article. I didn't see a solution. Apparently we have to wait for the continuation.

    But about the ships - given that the Grigorovich is performing some tasks in the Mediterranean Sea, then all four.

    The author apparently has not heard about the Montreux Convention.
    1. 0
      6 June 2024 14: 55
      Quote: Pavel57
      The author apparently has not heard about the Montreux Convention.

      Did the West hear?
  40. 0
    6 June 2024 14: 27
    and what courses they took.
    - on an interception course, oh incurious one...
  41. 0
    6 June 2024 14: 46
    The simplest option that I see is to need your own drone to monitor Ukrainian space. Also flying in neutral waters.
    If something happens, you can push another one.
  42. -1
    6 June 2024 14: 51
    The solution lies on the surface. Exercises. We announce unlimited maneuvers in the water area (and above it). All...

    If it hits someone, call me, they warned me at the official level. “The cadet is inexperienced, he made a mistake, he will be punished.” The main thing is not to shoot down any passenger side.
    ...
    Well, regarding means of destruction: where are our EMP-based weapons? (I remember back in “Strike Force” they covered this aspect and showed the operating device). The size is not very large, the damage radius is acceptable (somewhere there was information about 60m for a conventional 120mm ammunition). The main thing is without fawning. If they catch a drowned man - there are no holes, that means he died.
  43. 0
    6 June 2024 15: 04
    You know, I decided to look at it from the other side. The darkest one said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are losing 50 thousand a month, and we are five times less, i.e. in 30 months we lost 300 thousand. This is a big economic loss for the state, including from these reconnaissance and guidance aircraft. It would be possible to shoot down a couple!
    1. 0
      7 June 2024 01: 40
      300 thousand lives of Russians lost in a war that should not have happened if the towers had not chewed snot or at least not prevented the Donetsk residents from finishing off the reptile, measured in “economic losses”? negative
      1. 0
        7 June 2024 10: 40
        So those who chew snot understand this only, unfortunately.
  44. +2
    6 June 2024 15: 15
    It had to be dropped immediately, after the first warning, openly and demonstratively, with subsequent delivery of the remains to the US Embassy. And now it's all talk about brown lines. The life of a Russian soldier is more important than any sanctions and chatter at the UN. Then both the infantry and sailors will know that they are not meat and a resource for slaughter, but are needed by their homeland and are dear to it.
  45. 0
    6 June 2024 15: 34
    I don’t see any obstacles to declaring the neutral waters a missile training zone for the Black Sea Fleet and closing the area to shipping and flights. Well, if a drone or crap like AWACS arrives there, you can blame it with all six options, because there was a warning, and training firing is unpredictable.
  46. -1
    6 June 2024 15: 36
    This means that the only ones who can depict something so meaningful are the old and new “Petrel”, of which there are as many as five on the Black Sea. And considering that “Grigorovich” is performing some tasks in the Mediterranean Sea, then all four.

    I really dream of seeing the Osa-M work on a target at an altitude of 17 km. Because the 1135 and 1135M have no other air defense systems.
  47. 0
    6 June 2024 15: 39
    You can use the deaf-blind Yak-130 with the RVV R-73: stick to some flight board just above the tail and wait until it gets close to the bandit at the RVV’s combat range. When the bantita gets sick, you can turn back.
  48. 0
    6 June 2024 15: 46
    Why not hang your own hawk next to (literally a couple of hundred meters) with this hawk and use it to shit on the air with electronic warfare?
    So it’s moderately arrogant, but there will be nothing to show.

    True, there is some problem: we don’t have a drone with such an altitude and flight duration. It's a pity.
  49. 0
    6 June 2024 15: 57
    I DO NOT understand the supporters of a situation in which their UAVs off our shores and our planes off their shores are one and the same. We take down their UAV, they take down ours. It doesn't work that way. They are participating in raids on our territory. We have evidence, but it is secret.
  50. 0
    6 June 2024 16: 20
    Quote: Eldorado
    The time has come to change international legislation in connection with the development of technology and expand the adjacent zone by an order of magnitude.
    Or it’s time to hang our reconnaissance UAVs off the coast of the United States.
    Takeoff from Venezuela or Cuba and flights of UAVs, etc. as close as possible to the USA.

    Sorry, but our drones are not so developed. That's why? Well, that's it. And no one is to blame, mind you! We could, but we didn't.
    P.S. I wrote it, then erased it and rewrote it so that there was no article... Ugh
    1. 0
      6 June 2024 18: 56
      Make a short circuit using tape, aluminum or carbon thread.
      They attacked the net.
  51. -1
    6 June 2024 16: 41
    This old senile man needs to be replaced and someone more decisive and not looking back at his former, or maybe not former, partners needs to be installed at the head of the state.
  52. 0
    6 June 2024 19: 17
    Quote: guest
    Quote: Pavel57
    The author apparently has not heard about the Montreux Convention.

    Did the West hear?

    Are you the West? So far the Turks are observing it. And the West is aware.
  53. 0
    6 June 2024 20: 51
    An additional option of political category should be listed in the article as well.

    A political response for example would be to increase closeness with Russia's allies and partners, including the sharing of technology, trade, etc.

    Maybe not even purely in the defense sector, but even in infrastructure projects.

    It is unclear to me whether a response should be 100% kinetic, versus say 30% kinetic and 70% non-kinetic.

    The non-kinetic category can further be categorized into public and less public ("strategic ambiguity" in idiot neocon verbiage).

    In my estimate, the plan of the desperate cocaine-fueled Fuehrer is exactly to provoke actions which distract from Russia's strategic campaign in the former Ukraine,
    and instead lead to a civilization ending scenario. So I would not play directly into this satanists goals with a 100% kinetic response.

    Of the kinetic responses, I haven't looked into many options. At first glance though, the proposed Black sea no-fly zone is the preferred option. Only aicraft
    operating with transponders and being flagged and piloted by countries of the Black sea should be exempted.

    On the topic infrastructure pacts with partners, I propose capitalizing on Russia's vast water resources, and natural gas surplus, which can be used to construct pipeline materials, and to power the movement of water (via turbines that take natural gas and surplus electricity which is often produced by solar farms).

    With water projects, deserts can be vastly reforested, and deserts can become agricultural breadbaskets as well.

    Surely India and China may be interested, as well as many of the hot and dry Eurasian "-stan" countries.
    1. 0
      7 June 2024 23: 58
      My apologies, but if English is the preferred language for this post let that be it.
      I remember the mainstream of the western media resources in March 1999 (the military campaign against former Yugoslavia). The main concerns there were possible casualties amongst the NATO troops, possible actions of the Kremlin, and of course escalation of the conflict and spread beyond the Balcans.
      Also, the above campaign aimed pretty much the civilian targets, such as Danube bridges in Belgrade, media center and other important infrastructure, comparing to much lower activity in Kosovo, where the problem has developed and the NATO assistance would be reasonably anticipated. Not at all! The allies decided to attack the rest of Serbia-Yugoslavia in order to drop the rating of Miloshevich.
      Now: the Ukrainian troops persistently attack the civilian targets in the Russian regions that are recognized worldwide. And that happen in unison of the constant complans of the Ukrainians about the lack of ammunition.
      So, where's the logic?
      It's pretty simple: "the allies " the very same that helped the Kosovans now see it fhe same way.
      And here's there message to the Russians:
      Guys, look, nobody attacked your land prior to your invasion to Ukraine.
      And now you get what you get

      And finally, about kinetic and non-kinetic, about the pipes, the water supplies and so on...

      Our President made it clear: the lethal weapons shall be supplied to the various groups that dislike the countries of the global West, with the assistance to use that weapon, which is exactly what is going on now from their side.

      And, therefore, the public of the western countries would not be tolerant if their troops, harbours, overseas territories, or even the main land shall be attacked by (you can choose, as many: talibs, hesbolla, yemen, Iran) with the Russia being behind those attacks.
      The western country leaders will certainly launch the media campaign about this, but would that campaign work??)
      Especially now, where just a weak ago their public just swallowed something very similar from the opposite side.
      I suppose, I answered your question, my dear friend!)
      1. 0
        8 June 2024 22: 45
        I am unfortunately from the West and don't yet speak Russian. I hope to some day.

        It is utterly surreal to me how many of my countrymen are under the spell of propaganda (most of which should be clearly apparent as blatant lies).

        But it is as if they are under the spell of the great deceiver, like in the tale of the Pied Piper, except much darker.

        Our governments seem hijacked by actual satanists. It is very creepy and surreal to me. I don't know what it will take to wake up the other 30% of the masses.

        This extreme spectrum maybe does not want to be woken up. They do not seem to mind union with the great deceiver. Many are indoctrinated with atheism.

        Our leadership is completely insane, and agencies tasked with maintaining the integrity of the country are no less than rogue. The Epstein political Kompromat scheme is not being investigated, but instead covered up. The satanists at the very top who pass down the stream of decisions, as they double down on idiocy over and over and over again, truly are insane, and in my opinion even willing to resort to a first alpha strike.

        They intend to let the rest of humanity perish and believe they will survive in shelters, and if the organization continues to fail to operate as they have in the modern times, this is the end result. For them they need to experience emerging from a shelter to an environment somewhere between Venus and Earth.

        How much methane has been emerging and will emerge after such catastrophes. It will dwarf even their Nordstream crime.
  54. 0
    7 June 2024 04: 43
    The strong shape reality, the weak adapt to reality.
    Our guys are creating the beginning of the formation of reality on earth, it’s time to start in the air!
  55. 0
    7 June 2024 08: 00
    In the movie "Kingdom of Heaven" Saladin said "Equal does not kill equal." But the Angos-Saxons do not consider us equal, even if it’s a bubble, we have long ago turned from a superpower into a country trying to declare its regional ambitions, that’s all.
  56. 0
    7 June 2024 08: 02
    Thanks to the author for a good article. There is a proposal to create a “passive” interceptor, something like an Icelandic volcano, only man-made..., to spray “evil spirits” that disable engines in the area of ​​action of the adversary
  57. 0
    7 June 2024 08: 19
    You can shoot down drones only with the help of electronic warfare (without publicity). Anything else is unacceptable, including the transfer of missiles to all sorts of Houthis.
  58. 0
    7 June 2024 09: 24
    Alternatively, some Kulibin could send his drone to intercept: he doesn’t have to worry about golf greens.
  59. kvv
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    7 June 2024 09: 49
    there is no main point here
    1. titanium Faberge at the commander-in-chief
    in the absence of this, everything else is unimportant
  60. 0
    7 June 2024 09: 59
    The last option is great! But in the West, “respected partners”, will Putin allow his friends to be harmed?
  61. +1
    7 June 2024 10: 01
    Why shoot down right away? Has anyone considered the option of interfering with the drone? A UAV or aircraft of similar altitude without bulky radar, electronic warfare, etc. equipment. flies parallel to the American spy and with its body (possibly spraying some special smoke, etc.) interferes with reconnaissance in the direction of our territory. Parallel flying is not prohibited. We don’t have any influence on the enemy UAV, but we don’t let it work. Then the amers themselves will stop flying due to the lack of effectiveness of such reconnaissance.
  62. +1
    7 June 2024 10: 41
    It’s hard to believe that they can do this, probably children, wives, mansions in countries of “Western democracy” and accounts in Western banks do not give.
  63. 0
    7 June 2024 11: 08
    I agree with the author in many respects, but there are....particulars....
    And in particular....Houthis, yes....the guys are completely frostbitten (but IN THE BUSINESS!)....And why during the war (let’s call things by their proper names!) CAN’T (OR- ARE WE AFRAID?!) TO USE THE ENTIRE RANGE OF PRODUCTS?! What kind of howling can there be during a war?! Don't give a damn if there is a real threat from the ships of the Black Sea Fleet, for example....If they are DIRECTLY hammering at Belgorod (hereinafter on the list) with a huge number of casualties?! And these “birds” aim high-precision weapons at THESE (and not only!) targets?! Doesn't the government have enough will? How many more victims are needed for an APPROPRIATE DECISION to be made?! At least a couple of “land/splash down”, and it will be normal - howl as much as you want - IN WAR, LIKE IN WAR...
  64. +1
    7 June 2024 13: 11
    A strange war with a constant look to the West and a demonstration of readiness for negotiations - where is the strength and confidence here?
    As long as the money is there and the children are there, no “decisive actions” on the part of the Russian Federation are simply possible. This is not science fiction. And then it will be too late. Soros seems to have said: “If your elite keeps money with us, it is no longer your elite.” In my opinion there is nothing to add. And for Vasya, these “political considerations” are just a reason not to defend the interests of your own country using available means. What do “civilized” countries do? They just deceive, they just bomb, they just kill. And the Russian Federation, throughout its existence, has been striving to become one of the “civilized” countries. So what's the question?! "The money is there, the children are there."
  65. 0
    7 June 2024 17: 47
    100% agree with the author.

    The only thing I would like to add.
    All our troubles and problems now are the almost complete absence of real allies.
    Yes, there is a Republic of Belarus. Well, in general, the same as in 1941, Mongolia was the only ally. And the USA and Britain - this is already clear, more from the evil one.
    And now... yes, there is China. Like an "ally". And he, no, no, yes, will roll out a passage in the style of: “Guys, let’s make peace.” “Friendly” Ankara is also there.
    And here’s the question: Will China resolve the issue with Taiwan exclusively peacefully? Is Erdogan's problems with the Kurdish rebels over yet?
    But... we depend on the latter for transit through the Sea of ​​Marmara, and on the former..., and so everyone understands. Largest trading partner.
    And in the 40s of the last century, well, the same temptation was on the topic of the second front.
    And on the other hand, the States.
    There, of course, they are not allies, but lackeys, and, of course, that is for the time being. But they will order who to allocate how much equipment for the Square - they will allocate it. They told Germany to buy their gas - Germany buys.
    So they don’t care what anyone thinks.
  66. 0
    7 June 2024 18: 05
    And another question: no one wants to make public why only in the 3rd year of the Northern Military District did some kind of blows to communications appear. The Dnieper hydroelectric station, for example, was damaged. But they should have been demolished in the first months or weeks...
    If this is what this lobby is like, then you tell the people. This actually leads to life imprisonment (it could be a prison sentence, but here we don’t execute people).
    And Lavrov’s attack almost on the second day of the North Military District that Russia is ready for negotiations?
    It seems that the person was taught in the wrong place and in the wrong way. Here you need to understand that with the beginning of the Northern Military District, his mission in Kyiv ended.
    It was necessary to go not to Istanbul, but to China, India, Africa and the Middle East. Find at least situational allies there.
    And these pirouettes with endless bursts of fire...?
    What will Mr. Lavrov now say to the victims in Belgorod?
    Expresses extreme concern...?
    And Father Kirill, with all due respect..? Well, what, Christmas truces.
    Did we agree with the German Nazis on something?
    What's going on here? The same swastikas, the same crosses on tanks. The same hatred for Russians.
    And what are we waiting for..?
    It is possible and necessary
    And by planes, and missiles, and all the means that are available
    1. alf
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      12 June 2024 17: 37
      Yes, I don’t think that I.V. Stalin would trade with the fascists and sell them strategic resources. The United States is ready to supply uranium, titanium, and gas to Europe if they remove the sanctions...We were told back in the summer of 2020 that in Kyiv there were queues for gas stations, and that soon they would be walking, that Europe would freeze and the same would be walking , But...
  67. 0
    7 June 2024 18: 22
    And in the end.
    In the early 2000s, just at the beginning of the NATO invasion of Afghanistan, I had the opportunity (or had to) live in the United Kingdom.
    Well, these people need to know that the BBC “reports” the policies of their government from every angle. And everyone believes naturally.
    So, just before the start of their invasion, the following statements were made. First we will destroy their air defenses. And then we can bomb them 24/7. Starting with the decision-making center, including communications and the rest of the infrastructure. And then...
    "And then the'll get their country back." That is, what will remain there. I have never seen a more cynical passage from them.
    It is clear that this is not our case with regard to Ukraine.
    But those who come to us will come this way. And this “tadpole”, as well as the shelling of Belgorod, is about that.
  68. 0
    7 June 2024 20: 47
    But in the West, the turnip only accepts one argument - it is a full-fledged, strong club. oh bludgeon, let's whoop. And in response to all sorts of discussions about red lines, they are not impressed, to put it mildly.
    1. alf
      0
      12 June 2024 15: 37
      This is a good argument, dude, I agree. There's nothing else you can do to get through them. Red lines, we came up with this for ourselves, to scare someone.
  69. 0
    7 June 2024 23: 32
    The article is relevant, quite informational... Thanks to the author! Judging by the informational “white noise” in the domestic press, it seems that there is “go-ahead” from the “very top” to “close” the Black Sea for the flight of NATO aviation reconnaissance and control platforms (unmanned for now)... There is some hope that "inhabited" aviation platforms for the same purpose will also be declared "outlaw"....
    1. 0
      8 June 2024 19: 39
      and how is “good” expressed? in the next flights, sailings and so on? another strategic airfield has already been shelled in Ossetia...
  70. +1
    8 June 2024 19: 36
    whoever CAN FINDS an opportunity. WHOM who cannot is looking for JUSTIFICATIONS and reasons...
  71. +1
    9 June 2024 15: 29
    The Kremlin has little guts...
  72. +1
    10 June 2024 08: 27
    In order to drop Western “toys” you need to have an independent policy and balls of iron in your pants. Unfortunately, our leadership has neither of these. Lots of talking, stamping feet and empty threats. All the steam goes into the whistle. The West is already accustomed to the fact that after they violate our ridiculous “red lines,” we wipe ourselves away and do nothing. And we can come up with many reasons. This is “preventing escalation” and the negative reaction of the prostituted UN and “we are not like that.” It's all sad.
    1. alf
      0
      12 June 2024 15: 39
      In today's situation, eggs should be titanium, but ours are still in shells ((
  73. +1
    10 June 2024 10: 12
    In the policy of cuckoldry, impudence is not provided for, unfortunately.
    1. 0
      13 June 2024 06: 19
      Impudence is a type of initiative. But in Russia, initiative is punishable.

      I read a lot of comments here with interesting thoughts. In general, we have a “country of councils”, of which there is usually a carriage and a cart..... But where do all the thoughts immediately go as soon as responsibility appears?
  74. 0
    11 June 2024 13: 21
    What makes you think that such UAVs with increased autonomy will be susceptible to electronic warfare?
    What are you going to suppress/muffle/change?
    Radio altimeter? Satellite communication channels? Navigation? Radar?
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  77. 0
    14 June 2024 15: 46
    All this talk about scandals is in favor of the poor. The USSR did not hesitate to bring down US reconnaissance aircraft with their crews. And to the howl at the UN he answered something like this: they shot down, we are shooting down and we will shoot down.
    With constant patrolling of fighters over the center of the Black Sea, it is possible to ensure the launch of a missile with an infrared seeker. And it’s easy to fend off NATO’s howl - prove that it was our missile, where are the debris, where are the fragments? In the center of the Black Sea, the debris will calm down in the hydrogen sulfide zone, and it is absolutely impossible to raise it. And you can calmly snap back at verbal accusations.
    It all comes down to political will. Since the West has money, mansions and offspring of the Russian “elite”, there will never be such political will. The Guarantor may not be saved by any FSO if the West clenches its fist on the “Faberge” of the “elite”, if the order is given to bring down the reconnaissance UAVs. The real loss of money and mansions, taking their offspring by the nostrils will infuriate the “elite”, and they will do anything to return “everything that has been acquired by back-breaking labor” (c). And he won’t even think about betraying Russia.
  78. 0
    15 June 2024 14: 55
    Shoot down.
    There will be a howl - in plain text they will tell you to go to hell.
    Well, if it arrives by plane, there’s no point in flying close to combat operations.
    Let them fly across Africa.
    You can’t get on good terms with merciless urchins and cattle.
    And to be honest, it’s impossible.
    We've been trying since 2014...
  79. 0
    15 June 2024 16: 57
    That situation when they hit you and you are afraid that if you hit back, they will shout at you. I don’t really care what they say... but this is normal, popular logic, and the leadership has its own. And the most interesting thing is that, as in everything else, they will eventually take the logic of the people into their arsenal, but by then it will be much too late.
  80. +1
    15 June 2024 19: 36
    We have everything except political will. The Anglo-Saxons sense the fear of the Russian leadership, whose beloved ones live and study in the West, and so they behave impudently. Russia just has to dry up and express serious concerns.
  81. 0
    17 June 2024 01: 06
    Let's announce open-ended exercises with missile launches over the Black Sea!
    before the end of the SVO!