The Taliban, banned in Russia, from terrorists to partners

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The Taliban, banned in Russia, from terrorists to partners


Healthy pragmatism


“The enemy of my enemy is my friend” - guided by this principle, the Taliban, banned in Russia, had to be recognized as the official government in Afghanistan immediately after the Americans fled from there. But the time for this has come only now.



At the same time, the problem of removing the Taliban from the list of terrorists is very difficult and requires a purely rational perception. The Taliban are, to put it mildly, very versatile people.

From several sources it became known that the Kremlin is working on a procedure for removing the Taliban from the list of organizations banned in Russia. First, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov announced this, and later it became known about “the positive position of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Justice on the prospects of excluding the organization from the Russian list of prohibited ones.” This very position was conveyed to the top leadership, and during a visit to Uzbekistan, Vladimir Putin said:

“There are problems in Afghanistan, they are undeniable, everyone is well aware of them. The question of how to build relationships with the current government is another question. But we have to build it somehow, these are the people who control the country, control the territory of the country. They are the power in Afghanistan today."

The Taliban really feel very stable in Afghanistan - since 2021, no one has been able to challenge the organization’s leadership in the region. If we continue to ignore the obvious fact, Russia's position will be very ambiguous. Everyone knows about the Taliban’s visits to our country and serious trade turnover with Afghanistan.

Last year they traded for one billion dollars. Is it a lot or a little?

For comparison: in 2022, trade turnover was 170 million. The development of relations between Moscow and Kabul became possible only after the Americans left the country - until that moment, all initiatives were blocked.

The situation is twofold. On the one hand, Russia officially considers the Taliban a terrorist organization, and on the other hand, it is increasing trade and inviting visitors.

The Taliban came to Moscow for the first time in 2021 as part of an extended meeting on the issue of a peace settlement in Afghanistan. After this, representatives of the unrecognized government visited Russia several times. For example, at the next forum “Russia - Islamic World: KazanForum”, held in May.


In June, the Taliban are expected at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum. In fact, President Putin will speak to them.

In general, something needs to be decided in the situation with the Taliban - either recognize them as the legitimate rulers of Afghanistan and continue productive work, or call them terrorists and break all ties.

Healthy pragmatism is great. Approximately according to this scenario, Russian foreign policy has been developing recently. History with the Taliban is no exception. The guys were made to understand that they were welcome in Russia, but they also needed reciprocal steps.

Whatever one may say, Kabul should not throw away partners like the Kremlin. Moreover, when the rest of the world is purely against the Taliban. Or not?

For example, neighboring Kazakhstan removed the ruling Afghan movement from its list of banned groups late last year. Before this, a very productive forum was held in Astana, where Afghans and Kazakhs signed contracts worth almost $200 million.

Even the UN, no matter how we treat it, does not consider the Taliban a terrorist structure, although it has loaded the movement with substantial sanctions.

What does all of the above mean?

First of all, about the new Taliban, which have noticeably evolved for the better. It is enough to remember what these comrades were like twenty to twenty-five years ago to assess the level of progress. In 1997, they forced the landing of a Russian Il-76 that was carrying ammunition to the Afghan government. After a year of captivity, the crew was able to hijack the plane back to Russia.

By the way, this incident was later one of the reasons for adding the Taliban to the Russian list of terrorists. In 1998, the Taliban almost started a war in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, and a couple of years later they called on the entire Muslim world for jihad with Russia.

Since 2021, the Taliban’s rhetoric towards our country has been at least neutral.

Time cures


If Russia does not now begin a targeted and friendly policy towards the Taliban, then others will. There are many contenders. This includes the above-mentioned Kazakhstan, Iran, China, and Pakistan.

Political steps must be taken to match expanding economic interests. The Afghan market, although modest, has growth prospects. So far, Kabul has little to offer Russia in exchange for millions of tons of gasoline and diesel fuel - mainly minerals, raisins and raw materials for medicines. Afghanistan has an underdeveloped mining industry, but there are deposits of oil, iron ore, gas, semi-precious stones and rare earth metals.

Most of the country of 35 million people lives in poverty and in total unsanitary conditions. For Russia, this is a potentially huge market for the sale of medicines and food.

As a result, if the Taliban does not make sudden movements, it has every chance of becoming a respectable regime in Afghanistan. There is information that the leaders of the movement are no longer the same thugs who fought several decades ago. The ardor subsided, and I wanted to touch the beautiful life.


The Taliban can become not only good buyers and sellers, but also agents of Russian interests in the region.

As you know, the Taliban are fighting ISIS, which is banned in Russia. And this is also an illustration of the rule “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Since 2021, the Taliban have noticeably thinned out the terrorist group in Afghanistan. As is known, the local Khorasan branch of ISIS could have been involved in the terrorist attack at Crocus City Hall.

In the same chain of interests is limiting the trafficking of heroin from Afghanistan, as well as maintaining formal peace in the region. Russia is now in no mood to pacify the clashes on the Afghan-Tajik border. Moreover, the Taliban leaders stopped declaring external expansion and focused on internal problems.

At the same time, Sharia law in Afghanistan has not been repealed since the fall of 2021. In the Taliban version, they smack of obscurantism. The stoning of unfaithful wives is officially declared as one of the punishments at the state level. This was stated by Taliban leader Haibatullah Akhundzada at the end of March. It seems that the period when the Taliban tried to please them by softening their attitude towards women has passed. The Taliban are now again orthodox Muslims who do not recognize even minimal rights for women.

But rational logic dictates that time heals, and with the gradual advent of civilization, men in Afghanistan will soften. The example of Saudi Arabia is very illustrative.

Europe and the United States, of course, will not accept the Taliban in their current state. But where are Brussels and Washington? Several thousand kilometers from Afghanistan.

But we have the Taliban in the so-called soft underbelly, and it is dangerous to continue to ignore them. Both economically and politically.
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  1. +11
    4 June 2024 03: 59
    The situation is twofold. On the one hand, Russia officially considers the Taliban a terrorist organization, and on the other hand, it is increasing trade and inviting visitors.

    Europe and the United States, of course, will not accept the Taliban in their current state. But where are Brussels and Washington? Several thousand kilometers from Afghanistan.
    And we have the Taliban in the so-called soft underbelly, and continuing to ignore them is dangerous. Both economically and politically.

    Here you need to decide on partners and fellow travelers.
    They hugged and kissed the West, but in reality it turned out that it was an ass.
    1. +16
      4 June 2024 08: 00
      When you think about the good of your partners more than the good of Russia, then any partners will sooner or later turn away. The West has turned away, now China is in thought. And then the Taliban won’t need Russia either.
      1. 0
        4 June 2024 10: 36
        Quote: Gardamir
        When you think about the good of your partners more than the good of Russia, then any partners will sooner or later turn away.

        They turn away when they (to the point of disgrace) confuse it with personal good.
        And about "terrorists as partners"... the Bolsheviks had a similar nuance, and then they were the first to fly into space. It's just a pity there was no immunity from the infection of the "thieves' boss". That's why they withered away.
    2. man
      +1
      4 June 2024 10: 11
      They hugged and kissed the West, but in reality it turned out that it was an ass.
      which we licked clean in the 90s, in a race with other republics of the former USSR
    3. +1
      7 June 2024 01: 48
      I completely agree with you. And the thesis “Enemy, my enemy, my friend” is very relevant in the current situation. But you also need to keep your eyes open. We swam, we know.
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  3. +17
    4 June 2024 04: 04
    Healthy pragmatism is great. Approximately according to this scenario, Russian foreign policy has been developing recently. The Taliban story is no exception. The guys were made to understand that they were welcome in Russia, but they also needed reciprocal steps.

    It seems to me that in Russia everyone is generally welcome....
    1. +8
      4 June 2024 08: 13
      Quote from turembo
      It seems to me that in Russia everyone is generally welcome...

      But isn’t it... Indeed, in Russia everyone who has nothing to do with Russians is welcome.
      I learned quite by accident that citizens who decide to take Russian citizenship are required to pass an exam in the Russian language.
      An example every day before your eyes: retail stands of vegetables and fruits with sellers communicating with gestures...
      1. +1
        4 June 2024 11: 27
        Quote: ROSS 42
        I found out quite by accident

        laughing Eh, you could use a shoe and a UN podium!!!!
    2. +6
      4 June 2024 13: 32
      It seems to me that in Russia everyone is generally welcome....

      Well, then it means that after some time the Ukronazis will become respected partners again. And then, lo and behold, the use of clichés like “geyropa” and “fashington” in the media will become criminally punishable.
      After all, even our past changes quickly and unpredictably, and what we will learn in the future, with whom we will quarrel to the point of mortal combat, and with whom we will become friends until we passionately kiss - the Almighty himself does not know.
    3. +1
      4 June 2024 21: 19
      turembo. (Mike). Today, 04:04. New. yours - "...It seems to me that in Russia, in general, everyone is welcome.."

      Unfortunately, this has been visible especially in the last 30 years. feel
      Recall -
      +“Whatever you want” - Foreign Minister Kozyrev
      +. "successful" drain of our minimum 300 billion gold and foreign exchange reserves. although several sources warned for at least a year about the danger of losing THEM.
      +z5 million migrant workers brought by the 10th column - “compatriots”(and how many illegals!?) from the so-called "brotherly" countries (especially after the 80-90s of the last century with the massacre of the "narrow tree". and THEIR continuing "flow", including to the liberated Russian territories. Even after the recent Crocus City
      It is necessary to turn even essentially 100% useful opportunities into a loss to the maximum extent. bully
      If sclerosis is with the history of Russia (RI. USSR). then xIf only you could study WORLD history. China. England.
      An example of sovereign progmatism: good
      "...Henry John Temple, Lord Palmerston; from 1802 Viscount (English Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount of Palmerston, October 20, 1784 - October 18, 1865) - a famous English statesman, for many years he led the defense, then the foreign policy of the state , in 1855-1865 (with a short break) was prime minister.

      Quotes

      therefore I maintain that it is short-sighted to consider this or that country as a permanent ally or an eternal enemy of England. We do not have permanent allies, we do not have eternal enemies. Only our interests are unchanging and eternal, and it is our duty to follow them. — Speech in the House of Commons, March 1, 1848
      https://ru.wikiquote.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%80%D0%B8_%D0%94%D0%B6%D0%BE%D0%BD_%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%BB_%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD
  4. +1
    4 June 2024 04: 12
    We sold 1 billion dollars - are we them or are they us? And what do we trade with them? Cotton, heroin, what else?
    1. +7
      4 June 2024 09: 25
      Quote: eskulap
      Cotton, heroin, what else?


      Afghanistan has many deposits of precious stones, gas, copper, marble, lithium and uranium. In “democratic” pro-Soviet Afghanistan, gas exports alone provided 42% of the budget, now it is much less. The mining of lapis lazuli and emerald is now very active there.
      1. -3
        4 June 2024 12: 04
        Quote: carpenter
        The mining of lapis lazuli and emerald is now very active there.

        Yes
        Emeralds and rubies showered in the rain.

        Afghanistan has more than 1400 mineral deposits, containing barite, chromite, coal, copper, gold, iron ore, lead, natural gas, petroleum, precious and semi-precious stones, salt, sulfur, lithium, talc, zinc and many other minerals. Gemstones include high quality emerald, lapis lazuli, red garnet and ruby.

        How will Russia respond? What will it build? NPP?
        1. +4
          4 June 2024 14: 47
          Quote: ROSS 42
          How will Russia respond? What will it build? NPP?

          Grain, flour, sunflower oil, timber, cement, metal, mineral fertilizers. Moreover, it is possible to organize cooperation with the PRC. China supplies industrial products to Afghanistan and Russia. Russia to Afghanistan Flour, timber and oil, for Chinese yuan. In the near future, Russia will be able to purchase electronics and drones from Afghanistan.
        2. +1
          4 June 2024 15: 08
          Quote: ROSS 42
          How will Russia respond? What will it build? NPP?

          Why not business? Provide them with an interest-free loan and build with it. Transfer money from the right pocket to the left. The Sultan is happy. The loyalty market is like that...
        3. +3
          4 June 2024 16: 35
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Afghanistan has more than 1400 mineral deposits, containing barite, chromite, coal, copper, gold, iron ore, lead, natural gas, petroleum, precious and semi-precious stones, salt, sulfur, lithium, talc, zinc and many other minerals. Gemstones include high quality emerald, lapis lazuli, red garnet and ruby.

          But it's just not for us. The main fields are already filled with China. And China is a long-time partner of Pakistan, whose intelligence at one time created the Taliban.
          In general, the Chinese settled in Afghanistan under the Yankees and never left - only the guards on the outer perimeter were changed. smile
          1. +2
            4 June 2024 17: 51
            Quote: Alexey RA
            But it's just not for us. The main fields are already filled with China.

            Dear Alexey! Thank you, but you haven’t revealed the great secret to me. Unlike Russia, China shares a border with Afghanistan:
            China and Afghanistan have a common border, its length is short, only 76 kilometers, which opens into the “Wakhan corridor” - a narrow strip in the mountains in Eastern Afghanistan in the Badakhshan province. The height of the passes here reaches more than 4800 meters and is difficult to pass. however, it was here that the famous Great Silk Road passed (the Venetian Marco Polo walked along it) and there are valleys of the Pamir, Pyanj and Wakhan rivers.

            And with the technology available in China for drilling tunnels in the mountains, one can assume that with increased interest, they will drill some kind of railway track and come out into the open arms of their neighbors...
            * * *
            In general, we are still far from friendship between peoples. And my problems are through the roof.
            hi
            1. 0
              5 June 2024 10: 55
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Dear Alexey! Thank you, but you haven’t revealed the great secret to me. Unlike Russia, China shares a border with Afghanistan:

              Yes, even without a common border, you can carry everything through Pakistan. Fortunately, the packs have nowhere to go - without the support of China, India will sooner or later take them out.
    2. man
      -1
      4 June 2024 10: 23
      Quote: eskulap
      We sold 1 billion dollars - are we them or are they us? And what do we trade with them? Cotton, heroin, what else?

      probably beach tourism smile
      1. RMT
        +2
        5 June 2024 15: 17
        Head of the Russian Business Center in Afghanistan Rustam Khabibullin. said that the main areas of trade are gas, oil products, flour and wheat, and recently dairy products. In addition, he noted, Russia intends to create jobs in Afghanistan and invest in local projects.
        In Russia, apparently, jobs are not needed, and there is plenty of investment, nowhere to put it.
  5. +2
    4 June 2024 04: 59
    Most of the country of 35 million people lives in poverty and in total unsanitary conditions. For Russia, this is a potentially huge market for the sale of medicines and food.
    It’s not bad when the authorities don’t fight the causes, but only the consequences; you can make money from it. The USSR tried to develop various types of industry, even during the monarchy.. It built various enterprises, trained specialists..
    1. -2
      4 June 2024 11: 29
      Quote: parusnik
      Built various enterprises, trained specialists...

      This has been happening for two years now, but not for free!
  6. +6
    4 June 2024 05: 10
    Both Afghanistan and we have claims to the past. All this must be overcome. The US became the enemy of the Afghans only because of its stupidity. There is no moderation in relations in the world now. They quickly find enemies, quickly find friends. Close relations also require some gap in relations. Afghanistan is waiting literally in everything. In money frozen by the US. And therefore in everything. If Afghanistan intends to live within its borders, then why not make a sign of rapprochement.
  7. +11
    4 June 2024 05: 40
    It will do... It didn't work out with the West, and how hard they tried, we must try to please the Asian and African cannibals... When there is no authority in the international arena, except for resources and the area occupied, and political will, geopolitics and multi-move becomes like this - asking to be friends with third world countries... smile
    1. 0
      4 June 2024 10: 58
      The West made such a mess there and fled so quickly, dropping “their” Afghans from planes, that others will think 10 times whether they need such “friends”.
      And there is no need to compare the organized withdrawal of USSR troops.
      And the Soviet army was opposed not just by Afghans with karamultuks, but by militants in camps supplied with Western weapons and trained by Western specialists. This does not count the mercenaries on the payroll. Who opposed the Americans?
      1. +4
        4 June 2024 11: 58
        Well, it seems like no one defeated the Americans in battle either. They left on their own when they wanted, realizing that there was no prospect of continuing. And the scam of “their” Afghans did not stop other countries from continuing to lick the United States.
        1. -1
          4 June 2024 16: 36
          Quote: Kmon
          Well, it seems like no one defeated the Americans in battle either. They left on their own when they wanted, realizing that there was no prospect of continuing.

          So this is defeat. A series of tactical victories leading to strategic defeat has been known in the United States since Vietnam.
          1. +3
            4 June 2024 17: 00
            It’s just not clear why the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan is a worthy draw and never a defeat, while the American troops are a shameful drain.
            1. 0
              4 June 2024 17: 37
              Quote: Kmon
              It’s just not clear why the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan is a worthy draw and never a defeat, while the American troops are a shameful drain.

              This question has been answered a hundred thousand times already.

              After the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan, Najibullah’s pro-Soviet regime held out there for another three years. And perhaps he would have held out until the victory over the Mujahideen if Yeltsin had not betrayed him. Therefore, the withdrawal of Soviet troops is in no way a defeat.

              How long did the pro-American regime last in Afghanistan after the departure of the American military? It seems like something like minus three days. The Taliban, who had already taken Bagram airfield under their protection, waved handkerchiefs to the last departing planes.
              1. -1
                4 June 2024 19: 39
                This only means that the pro-Soviet regime was stronger than the pro-American one, but it also lost, and therefore was not viable. Once troops were brought in, the strategic goal (friendly or controlled Afghanistan) was not achieved (in 1986, at the peak of the Soviet military presence, the Mujahideen controlled more than 70% of the territory of Afghanistan), and then they were withdrawn, then this is a defeat no matter how you look at it.

                Otherwise, by this logic, the United States did not lose in Vietnam, because South Vietnam held out for another two years after the withdrawal of its troops.
                1. 0
                  4 June 2024 20: 13
                  Quote: Kmon
                  Once troops were brought in, the strategic goal (friendly or controlled Afghanistan) was not achieved (in 1986, at the peak of the Soviet military presence, the Mujahideen controlled more than 70% of the territory of Afghanistan), and then they were withdrawn, then this is a defeat no matter how you look at it.

                  Are you trying to get the Mujahideen to win on points? wink

                  Quote: Kmon
                  This only means that the pro-Soviet regime was stronger than the pro-American one, but it also lost, and therefore was not viable.

                  Yes. One side continues to be fed from the outside, while the other is blocked from supporting it. Good competition in vitality.

                  Quote: Kmon
                  Otherwise, by this logic, the United States did not lose in Vietnam, because South Vietnam held out for another two years after the withdrawal of its troops.

                  South Vietnam continued to receive support from the United States until its defeat. The analogy doesn't add up.
                  1. -2
                    4 June 2024 20: 39
                    Well, yes. Like the Taliban, like the North Vietnamese, they outlasted their superior enemy, forcing him to eventually withdraw. How else could they win if not by starvation - by crushing them in the field or something? They achieved their strategic goals, the enemy did not. You can win all the battles and lose the war.

                    US assistance to the Afghans stopped after the end of the Afghan war (another thing is that they still have a lot of reserves, and so do the pro-Soviet Afghans).
                    1. -1
                      4 June 2024 21: 06
                      Quote: Kmon
                      Well, yes. Like the Taliban, like the North Vietnamese, they outlasted their superior enemy, forcing him to eventually withdraw. How else could they win if not by starvation - by crushing them in the field or something?

                      The North Vietnamese "in the field" and defeated the South, supported by the United States.

                      And with the Taliban it turned out interesting. After all, it was the Taliban who defeated the very Mujahideen with whom the USSR first fought, and who were then supported by democratic Russia (this was incredible nonsense).

                      Quote: Kmon
                      US assistance to the Afghans stopped after the end of the Afghan war (another thing is that they still have a lot of reserves, and so do the pro-Soviet Afghans).

                      I don’t remember whether the United States supported the Mujahideen after the collapse of the USSR (you need to look on Wikipedia), but Pakistan definitely continued to support them. And support from the “Islamic International,” sponsored by the Saudis and other oil monarchies, also continued.
                      1. +1
                        4 June 2024 21: 11
                        They defeated the southern after the departure of the Americans, not before. While troops or at least US air support were present there, they could not win by military means, the Easter offensive is evidence of this; it was not without reason that the northerners sat down at the negotiating table.

                        Perhaps, but in any case, the volume of support there was small compared to the United States.
                      2. +1
                        4 June 2024 21: 18
                        Quote: Kmon
                        They defeated the South after the Americans left, not before.


                        And?
                        Quote: Kmon
                        Perhaps, but in any case, the volume of support there was small compared to the United States.

                        You are haggling again. Big or not, Najib was actually caught in a blockade.
                      3. 0
                        5 June 2024 10: 34
                        Quote: DenVB
                        supported by democratic Russia (this was incredible nonsense).

                        what Why nonsense???
                      4. 0
                        5 June 2024 11: 10
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Why nonsense???

                        In what sense is "why"? We supported the wild Basmachi, who had previously fought against our army and the pro-Soviet government, who terrorized civilians and drenched Afghanistan in blood. Isn't this stupid?
                      5. +2
                        5 June 2024 14: 26
                        Quote: DenVB
                        We supported the wild Basmachi who had previously fought against our army

                        I apologize wildly, after the tragic events at the 12th outpost of the Moscow border detachment, Russia's gaze turned to the Taliban as a force that could, if not destroy, then at least weaken the Panjshir Mujahideen, and this plan worked. But when the Taliban, having fraternized with Al-Qaeda, began to poke their nose into our affairs in the North Caucasus, Russia changed its views and supported both the American aggression in Afghanistan and the North Afghan fighters for the purity of Islam. Nothing personal, the interests of the security of your country are above all... especially by someone else’s hands!
                      6. 0
                        5 June 2024 15: 15
                        Quote: Serg65
                        I apologize wildly, after the tragic events at the 12th outpost of the Moscow border detachment, Russia's gaze turned to the Taliban as a force that could, if not destroy, then at least weaken the Panjshir Mujahideen, and this plan worked.

                        You are writing nonsense. The Taliban as a movement emerged a few years after the attack on Outpost 12. And even when he appeared, no “Russian gaze” was directed at him.

                        Quote: Serg65
                        But when the Taliban, having fraternized with Al-Qaeda, began to poke their nose into our affairs in the North Caucasus, Russia changed its views

                        You confuse everything you can. Russia supported the Taliban's enemies from the beginning. Massoud and the Northern Alliance. We supplied these Basmachi with weapons, ammunition, and fuel.

                        And so, when the Taliban finally defeated these bandits, is it any wonder that the Taliban were somewhat offended by us? Yes, they recognized Ichkeria and allowed Chechen fighters to train on their territory. Sorry, bash to bash.
    2. -3
      4 June 2024 19: 10
      Quote: curvimeter
      When there is no authority in the international arena, except for resources and occupied space, and political will

      Are you talking about your Banderostan?
  8. +4
    4 June 2024 06: 43
    As if there is something bad in this.
  9. +6
    4 June 2024 06: 52
    For example, the Chinese never pay attention to such liberal shit as human rights and incomprehensible universal human values, as a result of which they are already mining such a valuable metal as copper in Afghanistan. And besides copper, there are many, many more good things in Afghanistan
  10. +2
    4 June 2024 07: 06
    “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” - guided by this principle, the Taliban, banned in Russia, had to be recognized as the official government in Afghanistan immediately after the Americans fled from there. But the time for this has come only now.
    They thought about something for too long, everyone was afraid of offending respected American partners who have had them for a long time:
    "Somoza, perhaps, son of a bitch, but this is our son of a bitch»©
    Franklin Roosevelt 1939.
    “Our son of a bitch” is one of the US strategies. They very often even grow them themselves. A typical example is Osama bin Laden, their special services blinded him. And how they fought with him... they filled up the skyscrapers with thermite charges and came to his hospital room, which was located 2 blocks from these towers (Benya was resting there for rehabilitation). They tell him: Benya, run! He: why the hell and where? They: run to Afghanistan, and we will catch you there and fight international terrorism. The helicopter was picked up and sent there. And where could he have gone - they would have shot him right there in the ward. This is where the fairy tale ends, these are the “sons of bitches” they have when they need it.
    Normal pragmatic approach and nothing more, but no hijabs or anything else - let them wear what they want at home, but don’t go to someone else’s monastery with their own rules. Now the time is such that we need to keep an eye on the order and not confuse Gulchatai with Abdullah.
  11. +3
    4 June 2024 07: 18
    Since we have almost no friends left, due to the policies pursued by our elite, now they are urgently starting to be friends with at least someone who is still left! They travel all over Africa, now these ones. I wouldn’t be surprised if Daesh is soon recognized as friends, figuratively of course, but for now everything is going like this.
    1. +5
      4 June 2024 13: 36
      Today SAM arrives at SPIEF. The most famous guest this year is the President of Bolivia. The leaders of the two great powers will communicate. This is an epoch-making event!
  12. +1
    4 June 2024 07: 41
    the same Tajiks only more backward...
    1. man
      0
      4 June 2024 10: 16
      Quote: Sergey Sergey_4
      the same Tajiks only more backward...

      and much more aggressive...
      1. -1
        4 June 2024 13: 38
        I do not rule out that they will reach an agreement before exporting labor from Afghanistan to the Russian Federation. We don’t have enough Tajik migrants, but there are still a lot of Crocuses in the country.
        1. +3
          4 June 2024 14: 50
          Quote: UAZ 452
          I do not rule out that they will reach an agreement before exporting labor from Afghanistan to the Russian Federation.

          Seamstress in Afghanistan 200 dollars. Electrician $500 per month. It is unlikely that anyone from Afghanistan will go to work in Russia, if only as a taxi driver, courier or merchant.
          1. man
            0
            4 June 2024 15: 21
            It is unlikely that anyone from Afghanistan will go to work in Russia, if only as a taxi driver, courier or merchant.
            This is great! The most scarce jobs in Russia!
            And I was so afraid that nuclear physicists or, God forbid, specialists in robots or space technology would show up. Phew, relieved fellow
  13. 0
    4 June 2024 07: 53
    Our oligarchs could get a lot of benefit from Afghanistan's natural resources...
    1. +2
      4 June 2024 18: 55
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      Our oligarchs could benefit a lot from the natural resources of Afghanistan...

      Who else would explain how the Taliban differ from the Saudis? laughing
  14. +8
    4 June 2024 08: 00
    To paraphrase Lord Palmerson we can say:

    Therefore, I argue that it is short-sighted to consider this or that country an unchanging ally or an eternal enemy of Russia. We do not have permanent allies, we do not have eternal enemies. Only our interests are unchanging and eternal, and it is our duty to follow them.
    Always working installation.
    1. 0
      4 June 2024 13: 41
      But now the list of those persons whose interests in reality are positioned as the interests of Russia is indecently short. People on this list are popularly called “friends.”
  15. +5
    4 June 2024 08: 06
    It’s profitable, so the Taliban have turned from terrorists into partners. The usual thing.

    Time will pass - maybe everything will change, and some Americans, French or Pakistanis will become our best friends.

    Just don’t forget that in politics and in private life the word “friend” has completely different meanings.
    1. +4
      4 June 2024 13: 43
      Well, yes - yesterday the fraternal people, today - the Nazis, tomorrow... That's how it works - realpolitik.
      1. man
        -1
        4 June 2024 20: 57
        Quote: UAZ 452
        Well, yes - yesterday the fraternal people, today - the Nazis, tomorrow... That's how it works - realpolitik.

        You know how to dance on a callus, it can’t be taken away from you sad smile
        1. +1
          4 June 2024 21: 17
          Thanks for the compliment (even if it’s not him), I even liked it laughing
          But I would much rather take part in the treatment of these calluses, rather than step on them. But we have become so adept at passing off any bug as a feature that there is no talk of treatment, correction - how can you even try to fix something that is declared to be a cunning ingenious plan, a great achievement, or even a feat? And the practice of double standards has penetrated into the flesh and blood of a little less than everyone: today everyone admires what they were making fun of yesterday, when it was “holy”.
          1. man
            0
            4 June 2024 21: 45
            But I would much rather take part in the treatment of these calluses, rather than step on them.
            Thank you for the supposed help, but when (if) this massacre is over, they will disappear on their own smileI'm afraid it's not in your powersad
            But we have become so adept at passing off any bug as a feature that there is no talk of treatment, correction - how can you even try to fix something that is declared to be a cunning ingenious plan, a great achievement, or even a feat?
            A curious application of a saying of modern programmers to politics smile
            And the practice of double standards has penetrated into the flesh and blood of a little less than everyone: today everyone admires what they were making fun of yesterday, when it was “holy”.
            And at the same time, they quite sincerely manage not to notice it laughing
            1. 0
              4 June 2024 22: 12
              Thank you for the supposed help, but when (if) this massacre is over, they will disappear on their own

              The only thing I disagree with is what you wrote. These calluses (the analogy with ulcers suggests itself) are not a consequence of what is happening now, but rather a cause. And with the end of the SVO, they won’t go anywhere on their own. Rather, we should expect that new complications will arise, perhaps of a different type. The current problem, if we take historical analogies (which are always conditional, but where would we be without them), corresponds to the period of the Russian-Japanese, and even more so - the First World War. What followed after it is known to everyone.
              1. man
                -3
                5 June 2024 08: 30
                Quote: UAZ 452
                Thank you for the supposed help, but when (if) this massacre is over, they will disappear on their own

                The only thing I disagree with is what you wrote. These calluses (the analogy with ulcers suggests itself) are not a consequence of what is happening now, but rather a cause. And with the end of the SVO, they won’t go anywhere on their own.

                I meant something a little different... In short, about 15-20 years ago (I don't remember exactly) I came across an article on the Internet by a guy who introduced himself as a "member of the world government." He was asked questions and he answered them quite clearly. At that time I treated this find with a fair amount of irony, and after he answered a question asked by someone about the fate of the Russians, I closed the "window" altogether. I only remembered from his answer that they decided to "drain" the Russians and when asked why, some ridiculous reason, like drinking too much.
                I already remember how they drank in the USSR before the anti-alcohol decree (indeed, they drank everything that was burning and to the bottom, stirring everything that was there), I drank that way myself. In Russia, in Moscow at least, in the 2000s they drank much less.
                At that time, an idyll reigned in the relations between our rulers and the West; science, industry, agriculture and the army were obediently destroyed at an accelerated pace. Why drain it? In general, I spat and forgot.
                In 2014 I tensed up, but it worked out. Then things got worse and February 2022... You see. what am I experiencing?

                Yes, no matter how much I later tried to find what I read then, everything is wrong.
    2. man
      0
      4 June 2024 20: 38
      It’s profitable, so the Taliban have turned from terrorists into partners. The usual thing.

      In recent years, it’s not quite common, unfortunately, much more often it’s the other way around sad
    3. man
      0
      4 June 2024 20: 47
      Just don’t forget that in politics and in private life the word “friend” has completely different meanings.
      Unfortunately, you are right. Moreover, it really seems like there are no friends in politics, no matter how disgusting it may be for me personally sad .
  16. -3
    4 June 2024 09: 00
    Firstly, after the president's visit to Beijing, it became clear that China is not eager to support us to the detriment of its economic ties with the EU and the US... Secondly, there is an order from the Washington regional committee to show the Russian Federation, in addition to being a so-called "aggressor" country, also having ties to Islamic fundamentalists... Agents of influence and the fifth column inside Russia are not getting paid for nothing...
  17. +4
    4 June 2024 09: 43
    Of course, I listened to the statements of this “comrade” in an expensive suit in the first photo and there was a really interesting logic in his words, this is probably only taught at MGIMO, and then probably only to a select few - at the beginning you recognized Poroshenko as legally elected, then Zelensky as legally elected, these recognitions were not withdrawn, they They control the territory of the country and they are the power there, but they are terrorists, earthworms, frogs, etc. And the Taliban, who also seized power with the help of an armed rebellion with all that ensues, but these are really good guys and they need to be crossed off from the “lists”, since they control the territory of the country and they are the power there. It's kind of surreal, in my opinion.
    1. 0
      4 June 2024 09: 58
      Quote from AdAstra
      then Zelensky was legally elected, these recognitions were not withdrawn, they control the territory of the region, but they are terrorists, earthworms, frogs, etc. And the Taliban, who also seized power with the help of an armed rebellion with all that ensues, but these are really good guys and they need to be crossed off from the “lists”, since they control the territory of the country and they are the power there. It's kind of surreal, in my opinion.

      It’s not clear where the surreal is.

      Zelensky and his company are shelling Russian cities, but he is not a terrorist with us. The Taliban have not done anything even nominally bad to us for more than twenty years. But they are terrorists with us. This is surreal.

      And this surrealism needs to be changed.
      1. +2
        4 June 2024 10: 50
        “Zelensky and his company are shelling Russian cities, but he is not a terrorist with us.”
        To be fair, they didn’t do this until 2022, even after the annexation of Crimea, and regarding the Donbass during this period, then “either take off the cross or put on panties” because they pushed it back with their hands and feet under the guise of a “federation”.
        “The Taliban haven’t done anything even nominally bad to us for more than twenty years.”
        Well, just think, drugs are coming from this country, where they are in power, but really, what a trifle these are.
        1. -1
          4 June 2024 11: 01
          Quote from AdAstra
          To be fair, they didn’t do this until 2022

          Are we remembering history, or are we discussing the current situation?

          Quote from AdAstra
          Well, just think, drugs are coming from this country, where they are in power, but really, what a trifle these are.

          What does the Taliban have to do with it? And, if we remember the subject of discussion, what does terrorism have to do with it? It is reasonable to assume that removing the Taliban from the list of terrorists will only facilitate cooperation in the fight against drug trafficking.
        2. +1
          4 June 2024 13: 17
          “Zelensky and his company are shelling Russian cities, but he is not a terrorist with us.”
          ..Zelensky will give in, recognize Crimea and Donbass and we will start to improve relations with him and a lot will be forgotten, or else he will become an even better buddy. smile
          1. +3
            4 June 2024 13: 46
            Why would he give up? Are the Russian Armed Forces approaching Kyiv? Is Kharkov ours? Have the Westerners stopped giving money and weapons? Don’t worry about Zelensky - everything is fine with him.
        3. +3
          4 June 2024 14: 08
          drugs come from this country, where they have power

          Under the Taliban, there were fewer drugs. Under the Americans, there was more; they officially allowed poppy cultivation as part of the fight against poverty and appeasing gang leaders.
          A classmate goes to Afghanistan, does business, says that under the Americans there was a mess, now under the Taliban it’s all good, there’s more order. Now he doesn’t worry about his safety.
          1. man
            -1
            4 June 2024 21: 16
            A classmate goes to Afghanistan, does business, says that under the Americans there was a mess, now under the Taliban it’s all good, there’s more order. Now he doesn’t worry about his safety.
            Rare extreme your classmate smile Did he go to Afghanistan under the Amers?
        4. +1
          4 June 2024 14: 56
          Quote from AdAstra
          Well, just think, drugs are coming from this country, where they are in power, but really, what a trifle these are.

          The drugs came from Afghanistan when it was occupied by the Americans, with US military aircraft transporting opium to their military base in Albania, from where Albanian crime syndicates distributed the drugs throughout Europe. The Taliban effectively destroyed both drug production in Afghanistan and their transportation through Afghanistan after the US was defeated and the Americans fled Afghanistan.
        5. +4
          4 June 2024 19: 12
          Quote from AdAstra
          Well, just think, drugs are coming from this country, where they are in power, but really, what a trifle these are.
          It doesn’t work anymore, change the manual.
  18. 0
    4 June 2024 09: 47
    Healthy pragmatism is great

    exactly! ) without quasi-religious worship of “values” - the real value for us is benefits for Russian industry and the security of the southern border.

    the leaders of the movement are no longer the same thugs who fought several decades ago. The ardor has subsided

    precisely because these are the same people)
    got older and calmed down...
    The main thing is that the reckless youngsters don’t pick up their banner again...
  19. -1
    4 June 2024 10: 25
    Today we shake the hands of the Taliban, and tomorrow these hands will kill Russians, because they are infidels.

    The enemy of my enemy may be an even worse enemy.
    1. +2
      4 June 2024 11: 19
      Quote: Gankutsu_
      Today we shake the hands of the Taliban, and tomorrow these hands will kill Russians, because they are infidels.

      We shake hands with Europeans and Americans all the time. Although they kill Russians with their weapons, because they are disgusting.
      1. 0
        4 June 2024 16: 43
        Common border. It is better to be friends with neighbors. Many were surprised why our people helped Erdogan, warned about the coup. And what good would it be if pro-Americans came to power there? Why do we need American fuss nearby? Same here. The Americans left --- good. Build relationships with the owners of the country and do not forget about the different experiences of communication with the East. Take into account your previous mistakes
  20. +2
    4 June 2024 10: 46
    The main thing is not to have any illusions that these are “friends”. We must remember well the habits of these comrades, their ideas about things and life. Also about the fact that this is a heterogeneous movement, it will have its own radicals, for whom we will always be “infidels”, whom it is not a sin to deceive.
    As for recognition, well, okay, don’t admit that they are in power. But power means denying reality. Now, apparently, it has been decided to weaken the wording for reasons of “bobble and Uzbekistan,” and not because they there have ceased to be who they essentially are. From a practical point of view, this approach is justified - no matter how much they want, Afghanistan cannot become a base for the “Third Reich”, no matter how much they want to. From a moral point of view, this is, of course, pure Jesuitism.
    However, what do we care about the internal problems of Afghanistan and how kosher or non-kosher they exist there from the point of view of human rights? At the philistine level, yes, this is definitely perceived negatively, because some unshaven trolls teaching others how to live in detail and limiting people in their natural rights is not good. Personally, I think so, in cr. least.
    But on the other hand, each nation is responsible for whether it will be heaven or hell. We've already played through the game of "civilization" and fed all these "stans" by hand. It didn’t take root. So this is their path.
    And we can either benefit from it or not.

    The first is better, although it is a cynic's approach.
    However, I will add again - I hope that our “jackets” are smart enough not to get into their gums and not pretend to be “success and eternal friendship.” We’re just quietly trading, smiling, and there’s a big club hanging on the wall, in a visible place.
  21. -1
    4 June 2024 11: 02
    Quote: curvimeter
    This will do... It didn't work out with the West, we must try to appease the Asian and African cannibals...

    Some Afghan or African cannibal is much more honest, principled and patriotic than a nice person in an expensive suit with a Harvard diploma.
    In comparison, all these “cannibals” are like a nursery group in a kindergarten.
    1. -3
      4 June 2024 20: 30
      An Afghan or African cannibal is much more honest, principled and patriotic than a nice man in an expensive suit with a Harvard diploma.
      In comparison, all these “cannibals” are like a nursery group in a kindergarten.

      Evil is evil. Smaller, larger, average - no difference.
  22. 0
    4 June 2024 11: 24
    Russia needed to recognize the Taliban as the official government in Afghanistan immediately after the Americans fled from there.

    Mr. Fedorov, could you please tell me who created the “new” Taliban and who helped the new Taliban expel the world hegemon from their country? If you find the answer to this question, you will immediately understand that the article you cited above is a shot in the air!
  23. +1
    4 June 2024 11: 33
    Just because they rid the world of drugs is worth dealing with. They have their own way of life and it’s not worth teaching, but they are still togashi. They really love to trade
    1. 0
      4 June 2024 11: 48
      So, what kind of “World” will they rid of drugs? laughing
      1. 0
        4 June 2024 11: 56
        Quote from AdAstra
        So, what kind of “World” will they rid of drugs?

        Our world is also from their drugs. And that’s already enough.
        In Afghanistan, which is the center of global heroin production, there are about 300-500 active laboratories producing about 380-400 tons of heroin annually.

        There is no need for any war, millions of people have died
  24. log
    +1
    4 June 2024 11: 48
    History shows that radicals become moderate conservatives with age. Afghanistan is almost our neighbor. It's better to be friends with your neighbor. Our leadership conducts business quite pragmatically. Enough, we've already fought with Afghanistan.
    1. +2
      4 June 2024 13: 53
      Well, don’t tell me - some, in their old age, on the contrary, begin to dream of the glory of great commanders and collectors of lands. And if not, then these aged moderate conservatives, who have begun to fall slightly into insanity, are thrown off the throne by slightly older young radicals. At least in a country with such a demographic situation as Afghanistan now, this is inevitable.
  25. +2
    4 June 2024 18: 57
    I think that the "Taliban" is much more understandable and reliable than the Anglo-Saxon, so-called "partners", who, not so long ago, were adored by the domestic political and managerial "crowd" at all "levels of power", with rare exceptions, and our so-called "beacons" of the economy and finance, culture and education..... And this "adoration" is understandable: apartments, villas, yachts, bank accounts, wives - children in an eternal "foreign" settlement and other joys of an immodest life... In the Orthodox Soul there is a glimmer of hope that the ongoing process of self-respect and self-identification of Russia will continue and will not be stopped by the "fifth column" and outright "waiters"....
  26. -1
    4 June 2024 20: 27
    Well, terrorists are usually people who, through terrorist attacks, create fear among the population in order to force the government of any state to perform or not perform certain actions. From this point of view, the Taliban can no longer be considered terrorists, because they de facto rule Afghanistan and do not yet interfere in the affairs of neighboring states. But they can still be considered a totalitarian and cannibalistic regime.
  27. -2
    5 June 2024 07: 46
    Quote: mann
    They hugged and kissed the West, but in reality it turned out that it was an ass.
    which we licked clean in the 90s, in a race with other republics of the former USSR

    Speak for yourself without stupid generalizations. Yes, the level of licking has only intensified since the 90s.
  28. -2
    5 June 2024 13: 13
    The Taliban do not need to be taught and this is perhaps the main thing. In our view, women's rights are a serious factor, but this society lives in the Stone Age and must go through all the steps to civilization on its own. There is no need to live by American rules, they were the ones who offered democracy, as a way to build a society, to people from another planet.
  29. +1
    6 June 2024 22: 22
    “Stoning of unfaithful ‘wives’ has been officially declared one of the types of punishment at the state level.”
    A common propaganda phrase. What about unfaithful husbands? Do they treat them better?
    1. 0
      7 June 2024 07: 48
      There will be no unfaithful wives - there will be no unfaithful husbands. It’s better to kill a traitor once than to duel with a new lover every week.
  30. -1
    7 June 2024 07: 46
    Terrorists are when they fight with their own government and with other governments. When they win in their country, they are already a legitimate force. However, they should be recognized only if they refuse to “work” on the territory of our country. And providing guarantees of such a refusal.
    .
    The kings took hostages...
  31. 0
    7 June 2024 14: 26
    So what? The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
  32. 0
    7 June 2024 20: 35
    Another friend is being imposed by our guarantor on Russia; we will feed them; we will give them everything for free; we will have hashish and opium for the people in kiosks; they will sell it to anyone who wants it; they would just tell the truth that no one wants to do business with such Russia
  33. 0
    15 June 2024 14: 02
    Quote: Gardamir
    When you think about the good of your partners more than the good of Russia, then any partners will sooner or later turn away. The West has turned away, now China is in thought.


    It is not the West that has turned away from us, but we from the West. The West is not against returning to the days of EBN,
    And our relations with the West deteriorated not at all because Putin thought more about the good of the West than about the good of Russia. It was precisely under Yeltsin and Kozyrev that we tried to please the “civilized partners” and the “partners” really liked it.

    Do you have insight into the CPC Politburo? Where does the information about thoughts come from?
    China will not turn away from us, this will be the biggest mistake for the Chinese.
  34. 0
    15 June 2024 14: 05
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    The main thing is not to have any illusions that these are “friends”. We must remember well the habits of these comrades, their ideas about things and life.


    I don't care. They just want to use them as our “proxies”. And they use it, not for free, of course.

    When did employers care about the personal lives of hired soldiers? This is not our problem at all.