Demographic hole, reduction of Russians, family degradation and poverty: is there light at the end of the tunnel?

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Demographic hole, reduction of Russians, family degradation and poverty: is there light at the end of the tunnel?


“I’ll tell you straight: if extraordinary and effective measures are not taken, then not during the lifetime of this generation, but within the next generations, Russia may cease to be a great power, and this means the prospect of losing its territories and, possibly, its disappearance as a single country.”
Патриарх Кирилл

Demographic hole, reduction of Russians and poverty: the result of pro-Western liberal policies


According to Rosstat forecasts, by 2046 the population of Russia, excluding new territories, will number 138,8 million people. According to the pessimistic UN forecast, by 2078 only 99,7 million people will live in Russia. As Ronald Reagan said:



"Government doesn't solve problems, it funds them."

Any problem can be solved, the question is the goal, and then the methods for solving it and the amount of invested funds. And as F.D. Roosevelt wisely believed:

“Nothing happens by chance in politics. If something happened, it was planned that way.”

What can we say about our “attempts” to increase the birth rate if the cost of maternity capital in 2022 amounted to about 1% of the budget? You see: the work is in full swing!

There are also benefits and subsidies for children, but they do not determine the decision to have a child. This is objectively the presence of housing, and then a good job - with the subjective presence of family values ​​among the parents.

When we were offered Perestroika in 1985, and reforms in 1991, our Western “partners” did not want us to prosper. They wanted the ruin and destruction of their main competitor. The goal was achieved: the USSR collapsed, Russia entered “shock therapy”, from which we still cannot recover, and the former republics and Warsaw Pact allies joined NATO one after another.

As the President stated at a meeting with military officers in 2023, and then almost the same in an interview with T. Carlson:

“We believed that we belonged to the bourgeoisie, we wanted to be in this family of so-called civilized peoples.”

And let the SVO also not mislead us - our economy is still being “grazed” by the IMF through its official representatives in the Central Bank. That is why it is impossible to stop the civilizational destruction of Russia without changing the liberal course. How this is organized in detail, see the article "New national policy: how it is formed and by whom it is directed". So what will be our Russian response to Chamberlain?

Maternity capital: from rise to fall


The main problem in the country is the demographic problem. In a resource-based economy, the population simply does not have enough income to have children. How to solve this problem, at the same time using all the power of the economy? There is a good idea - maternity capital. In the first period after its introduction in 2007, it contributed to an increase in the birth rate, and in 2013-2015 there was even positive population growth; however, now this measure does not work: for many regions it has become too small.

According to CIAN data for 2022 for large cities, maternity capital is enough to buy 7,5 square meters. m of housing. In Moscow, the subsidy is enough to purchase 2,3 square meters. m, the maximum area can be purchased in Chelyabinsk - 16,8 sq. m. If a few years ago the subsidy was a real help, now its usefulness has noticeably decreased: the indexation of maternal capital does not keep pace with the rise in housing prices.

The Ministry of Finance proposed reducing forecasts for transfers from the budget for the payment of maternity capital in 2024-2026 by 17%. In 2023, 551,3 billion rubles were allocated in the federal budget for the payment of maternity capital. In 2022, actual expenses on maternal capital amounted to 382 billion rubles. (4,3% less compared to the previous year). At the same time, budget expenditures in 2022 are 31,11 trillion rubles, which gives an estimate of 1,2%! For a country that is in a state of demographic catastrophe, such a policy looks extremely strange.

Russia needs large Russian families


The greatest reduction is in the titular nation – Russians. According to the 2002 and 2010 censuses, the number of Russians in Russia decreased by 4,9 million, while the number of representatives of other nationalities increased by 2,6 million. According to the 2021 census, 105,58 million people called themselves Russian. (compared to 112,51 million in 2010), that is, by almost 7 million people. less - and this despite the annexation of Crimea.

According to sociologist and specialist in migration processes Vladimir Ermolaev (publication TsarGrad), if current trends continue, in 2040 there will be no more than 90 million Russians, and by 2100 the share of Russians may fall to 50%. And not only patriots, but also our Chechen friends are already telling us about this problem. If we construct a linear extrapolation, it will give a higher figure by 2040 - 97 million, but this does not take into account the acceleration of the depopulation rate. Polynomial approximation gives the above estimate.


Russia needs strong large Russian families with at least 3 children. A city in which the maximum that an average family can afford is three rubles, where you can give birth to 2, maximum 3 children. A more interesting option is to shift the focus of development from cities to the rural periphery, the suburbs, where large wooden houses and cottages can be built, in which a family with 4-5 children or more can actually live, to which agro- or industrial enterprises should be linked. This is the key to the development of the country, its development and prosperity.

According to VTsIOM surveys, three quarters of young families in Russia live in apartments - 73%, 23% - in houses (including cottages or townhouses), which is very small. The “My Hectare” program is the right program – the whole question is how to implement it correctly. Transferring free (preferential housing) and land to the population is a real way to combat poverty. Real estate is capital, and the main one at that.


The nature of the development of New Moscow is a dead-end path, but there is simply an endless amount of empty land. What do we want – to resettle all active people to Moscow and large cities (and capital is simply not interested in the development of regions where there is no rich land, oil, gas and raw materials), giving them a 25-year mortgage as a “lift”?

The human settlements that Moscow and St. Petersburg are building are housing of the “last”, apocalyptic times. Such dense development is beneficial for businesses, developers, retailers, housing and communal services companies, but cannot create comfortable conditions for Russians. Why, if Russia is full of land? Why the endless development of Moscow when there is a lack of investment and development in the regions?

Poor faceless towers, reminiscent of giant Khrushchev buildings, simply spoil the appearance of Moscow: and this will be a “monument” of the liberal era.


How to increase the birth rate: free and subsidized housing for young families


The decline in the country's natural population growth for the fifth year in a row is a very alarming sign. And this process is absolutely irreversible under current conditions. In 2021, the population decline is 1042 thousand people, in 2022 – 555 thousand people, in 2023 – 495,2 thousand people. For population growth, it is necessary to achieve an increase in the birth rate in the region of 0,5-1 million children per year.

Without industry and re-profiling of the economy, the extinction of the country cannot be stopped. But there are also passive measures. They say we hold competitions for ideas that can benefit the state? Here's a very simple one.

To increase the birth rate, it is necessary to increase the amount of maternal capital so that a family with two children can get a two-room apartment for free (or with a very large discount - at least 50%), and a family with 3 can get a three-room apartment, and 4 or more children can get a four-room apartment.

A similar approach is needed for the construction of individual houses: a family has 3-4 children, which means it needs to be provided with a cottage of 120-150 sq. m. m with land for free or with a 50% discount. Then families will give birth, because the state, in the difficult conditions of a third-rate market economy, will subsidize this birth rate, and the economy will join the process of growth and development of the territory. And the more subsidies and investments, the better the result. And this is a real and simple way to fight poverty.

Maternity capital should be for the first child in money the cost of a one-room apartment (free or with a subsidy of at least 50%) and the cost of one room (15-18 sq. m - free or with a subsidy of at least 50%) for the second and subsequent child. For individual construction – 50 sq. m per child. A discount of 50 to 100% must be tied inversely to family income.

Then this race for square meters would make at least some sense: increasing the birth rate and human capital. But this measure should not apply to ethnic families of citizens from Central Asia: it is necessary to ensure the growth of the Russian and indigenous population of the country.


In this case, the economy would receive a powerful source of development, which has a huge multiplier of employment, industrial development and infrastructure.

How realistic is this? Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Tatyana Golikova recently stated that there are 5,3 million young families in the country, of which 3,9 million are raising children. But there are other families of reproductive age. According to the results of the 2021 census, there are 27,6 million Russians living alone out of 66,1 million households. Those who are younger should be offered measures (for example, tax measures, as in the USSR) to stimulate the formation of families. Conducting total propaganda of family values ​​from kindergarten, school and college, social advertising on TV, etc.

The share of single people has doubled over the past 20 years and is 41,8%, although at the beginning of the century - in 2002 - their share was 22%. According to the Chairman of the Board of the ANO “Community of Practitioners of Educational Family Science” Mikhail Smirnov, Russia is already in a state of disaster as an institution of the family and is steadily moving towards a state of celibacy and familylessness. The number of families continues to decline, the proportion of small children is growing, and as a result, the proportion of family citizens is decreasing. But the number of single parents with children remains consistently high. All these indicators exist in a negative trend.

The Russian Ministry of Construction approved the average market value of 1 sq. m of housing in the regions for the second quarter of 2024. The highest price per square meter was set in Moscow (175,6 thousand rubles), St. Petersburg (165,3 thousand rubles), Primorsky Territory (159,8 thousand rubles), Sakhalin region (158,5. 157,3 thousand rubles) and Krasnodar region (134 thousand rubles). According to Rosstat, the average price of sq. m of new buildings in the country amounted to 2023 thousand rubles based on the results of the third quarter of XNUMX.

Based on the average area per child of 1 square meters. m at an average housing cost of 18 thousand, annual budget expenses (upper estimate) will be about 134 trillion rubles, and due to the construction of cottages - even cheaper. The volume of annual construction is about 2,5 million square meters. m, which is 18% of the current input. State budget expenditures in 16,6 are projected at 2024 trillion rubles. Can't we find 36,6% to stop the extinction of the state?

The social housing standard is 18 square meters. m. The current volume of unsold housing is 71 million sq. m. m – sufficient to provide housing for over 4 million people, that is, the implementation of a program to stimulate population growth for 4-5 years in advance. At the same time, the state can save developers from a future crisis.

The multiplier effect of investments is also known - one ruble invested in construction stimulates 5-7 rubles of investment in related areas of production. The expansion of construction will spur investments in the road fund, gas and electrification, that is, the multiplier will be higher. It is not difficult to calculate that a program of targeted housing construction for families with children can create at least a constant economic growth of 2-3%. In the case of industrial development - from 7% and above.

Housing commissioning records: inflating the “bubble” and working “in vain”


According to Rosstat, housing commissioning in 2023 amounted to 110,44 million square meters. m, which is an absolute record in Russia. Now the market is experiencing a classic crisis of overproduction: the volume of unsold housing in Russian new buildings by mid-2023 exceeded 71 million square meters. m (with the total volume of real estate under construction as of July 2023 – 101,1 million sq. m), that is, 70% (!). As of November 1, 2023, the figure is the same - 71,1 million square meters. m.

The reason is simple - apartment prices are rising (not only in Moscow), but the purchasing power of the population is not. Although the rate hike cooled the market, there is no significant correction (see chart).


In Moscow, at the beginning of April 2023, 16,2 million square meters were under construction. m of housing, 10 million sq. m (that is, 62%) of them were unsold. It takes at least 3 years to sell (excluding new offers). And even the President said this. The leaders in unsold housing were Omsk (77%), Krasnodar (75%) and Samara (71%). The existing capacities for housing production must be used. And now Moscow has grown into a New Moscow, construction is underway here too.

As they write in liberal economics textbooks, when supply exceeds demand, prices should go down, for example, by 30% or more - and the market will come to equilibrium. Or a crisis will begin, the bubble will burst and the “surplus” will go away. But the niches where the market definitely operates are tire fitting and washing; the main ones are held by monopolies - and this is not a secret.

The market receives the wrong signals and moves in the wrong direction. Profit is not always good. Do we really want people to give birth in Russia? Or are we doing everything to ensure that the birth rate falls?

The current model leads to a crisis in the real estate market: greed is always punished. A mortgage and various options with handouts to stimulate it will not solve the problem. We have reached a dead end of lack of income, which bred poverty and limited development in Tsarist Russia.

As John Maynard Keynes believed:

“[Capitalism] is the amazing belief that the worst actions of the worst people, in one way or another, serve the common good.”

The proposed model of maternity capital will eliminate these problems.

Construction industry: limiting the interests of monopolies


However, there is also a huge problem here: the use of guest workers from Central Asia. It is necessary to restore the Russian, not the Asian, construction industry. There is poverty and no work in the regions - bring people from there, your Russians, Mordovians, etc. Here you can use economic quotas, which legislate that the share of such a labor force cannot exceed 20-30%.

And here is what Oleg Tsarev, who was recently assassinated, wrote this summer:

“I was in Mariupol. The city is being built. Lovely to watch. But at the same time, construction companies hire migrants, the city is filled with them... But they don’t hire locals... Without money... The factories are standing still. There are no jobs in the city. It would be right for people to rebuild their city themselves. Give people jobs!”

In fact, the picture drawn by the politician is a general diagnosis.

The second problem is that the continuous rise in housing prices leads to the fact that manufacturers of building materials begin to raise prices, then the developer raises prices again. It's time to stop inflating this endless bubble. Price increases in this industry should be regulated by the state. Why was it necessary to increase prices for wood and lumber so sharply when now, due to export restrictions, there is simply an oversupply of it? Wouldn't it be better to lower prices and/or dramatically expand production? Why this banal problem is not solved in conjunction for the benefit of the country, like everything else, we cannot understand.


Lumber price chart. Source: https://transles.ru/press/novosti-otrasli/srednie-tseny-na-lesomaterialy-v-rossii-2017-2023-05/?ysclid=lwswhdfiw307659035

We will find the answer from Gleb Pavlovsky, who reveals the goals of the work of Gaidar’s workers’ center for economic reforms in the early 1990s:

“We want to carry out reforms... how to sell these reforms to the population, which... is stupid and which, of course, will interfere?..”

But now everything is fine, the people have not been bothered by anything for a long time, they vote correctly, they survive, despite the pension reform, inflation, etc. The genius of Surkov and Pavlovsky turned out to be right: “managed democracy” is what the people need.

The main thing is to provide employment


The main problem is providing jobs during development. In Moscow itself, industry, including innovation, is developing quite dynamically. In 2023, Moscow will prepare for implementation 77 projects for the integrated development of areas of former industrial zones with a total area of ​​about 1 thousand hectares. In April 2021, Moscow launched the Industrial Quarters program.

However, in practice, practically no enterprises are built in “dormitory” areas, although the creation of jobs could relieve congestion and redirect traffic flows towards rationality. Where will newcomers who have taken out preferential mortgages work? Maybe build technology parks and high-tech production facilities there? But the owners of the center hardly want the flow of people to go to the new Moscow.

Civilization crisis: the price of liberalism


As Patriarch Kirill recently stated:

“I’ll tell you straight: if extraordinary and effective measures are not taken, then not during the lifetime of this generation, but within the next generations, Russia may cease to be a great power, and this means the prospect of losing its territories and, possibly, its disappearance as a single country.”

It was said exactly, and the Church did not remain silent. Well, where are they, these measures to increase the birth rate of the Russian population? Who will raise it - the businessmen who use the country as their cash cow? The result of their work is obvious. The current model is a strategy for enriching the elites and impoverishing the people: everything is like in Tsarist Russia.

Until the liberal economic management system that implements the principles of the Washington Consensus is changed in Russia, the Russian ethnos will remain in a state of civilizational crisis.

The private interest of capitalists gives the country the wrong goals for the movement, and pushes people towards ruin and extinction. The mortgage was created so that the developer and the banker could make money. Only the upper middle class can afford it. If we want to really solve the housing problem, we need to look at how it was solved with all our might in Germany after the war, what construction was like in the USSR, whose population was growing steadily, and housing and education were free. It is necessary not to figure out how to make a business earn money, but to set tasks for it and involve it in solving them. And these are completely different things.

The Russian people are now being thrown into the arms of the “invisible hand” of the market, they are being ripped off by everyone who can - oligarchs, large companies, banks, retail chains, utility companies, pharmacies, dentists, telephone scammers, black realtors. In such a system, the development of the country cannot be the top priority. And the state is mysteriously inactive over all this.

We were deceived in 1985, then in 1991-1992, then in 2014 when concluding the Minsk agreements in 2022 in Istanbul. So maybe that's enough? We are constantly promised development and prosperity. How is it expressed: in the growth of the Central Bank rate, the creeping devaluation of the ruble, miserable pensions and wages in the regions? In the absence of significant quantities of domestic cars and aircraft? In unrealistic prices for housing and cars? In constant inflation? In the corruption that permeated even the most sacred thing - the army? All this is nothing more than an imitation of movement that does not exist.

The answer is given by Evgeny Gontmakher:

“... I put forward the thesis: there is no state in Russia... Instead of the state as an institution implementing the course for the development of the country, we have a gigantic and uncontrolled private structure that successfully extracts profit in its own favor... “Statesmen”, ow! What are you defending... the first task of our society is to return the state to Russia.”

But as John Maynard Keynes believed:

“A government that sets as its goal the happiness of its subjects will serve the good, no matter what ethical theory inspires it.”

So, we are waiting for changes.
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  1. +31
    4 June 2024 05: 48
    We are waiting for changes... If only for the worse.... No offense to other nationalities, but the Russian “vanka” bears the brunt of the losses and losses... And these losses also have delayed consequences... So much for you a hole, even an abyss, in the future...
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      1. +20
        4 June 2024 07: 34
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        is there light at the end of the tunnel

        What do you think about the idea that the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train?
        1. +4
          4 June 2024 11: 07
          Quote: Nagan
          Is the light at the end of the tunnel an oncoming train?

          It’s even scary to imagine! sad
        2. +1
          5 June 2024 05: 38
          Very similar to the USSR. You know what happened
    2. +13
      4 June 2024 05: 57
      What the hell are the changes...

      The Economist, citing its sources in the Central Bank, wrote that the personal security of the head of the Bank of Russia, Elvira Nabiullina, was strengthened after the key rate was raised to 20% at the end of February 2022.
      Well, for starters, according to Frank RG, a little more than 20 thousand clients of Russian banks have a personal capital of 100 million rubles. In 2022, their assets grew by more than 5 trillion rubles.
      What does it say?
      That in Russia there are over 20 thousand dollar millionaires who keep their millions in bank accounts.

      A small group of super-rich people in Russia received extra income, concentrated the lion's share of Russia's wealth in their hands... now they have changes... such a class contradiction in no way contributes to solving problems with demography.
      Alas... alas, the country is rushing in the second circle towards 1917.
      1. +19
        4 June 2024 17: 34
        And the “people” are to blame:
        “We believed that we belonged to the bourgeoisie, we wanted to be in this family of so-called civilized peoples.”
        . "Who are "we? I voted for the preservation of the USSR, like the overwhelming majority. But this “we”, it seems, voted for something else and did not care about the opinion of the people - just like his always drunk predecessor.
        And now - in fact. The author suggests that all young families buy an apartment. Well done! But just who will buy? State. Where will it get the money? As always, from taxes, i.e. those who have already given birth and raised children will pay. Who will he buy from? From construction companies. This will lead to increased demand for housing and a new rise in prices. What do we get in the end? Money by and by, there's cocoa in my mouth. The construction industry will eventually, of course, become fatter, but there will be no more housing for young families.
        I’m in my eighties, I’ve seen enough of how the state endlessly lies, how it comes up with new and new ways to turn out its pockets. And I haven’t expected anything good from this pack for a long time. And the author is wrong when he claims that this is a pro-Western policy: this is a pro-oligarchic policy, and blaming all the troubles on the West is simply turning the tables. The West, of course, benefits from what is happening here, but the creators of troubles are not in the West, but here, right next door..
        1. ANB
          +1
          5 June 2024 00: 38
          . And the author is wrong in claiming that this is a pro-Western policy: this is a pro-oligarchic policy,

          What does this actually have to do with oligarchs as a term? In 1991, thieves came into power. Who, due to theft, became oligarchs. 99% of them don’t know how to earn money, they only know how to steal. The point of their earnings is to make money easily (as a rule, to steal). This is where all the problems come from. And the West... It has nothing to do with it. In the USA, the fraud business is also very developed.
          1. P
            +3
            5 June 2024 14: 43
            An oligarch is a large capitalist whose profit is ensured by control over the functions of the state. In other words, this is ANY large capitalist.
            1. ANB
              +3
              5 June 2024 20: 23
              . ANY big capitalist

              I think exactly the same.
              But large capitalists are divided into 2 categories.
              1. Earned with their intelligence and labor (often more than one generation)
              2. Those who stole this money.
              The former, due to their abilities and upbringing, can benefit society.
              The second ones cannot.
              In Russia there is tension with the first ones. :(
              1. P
                +4
                5 June 2024 21: 34
                You can earn a lot of money with your labor, but you cannot earn large capital with your labor alone, since it is created and acquired by the labor of many people
      2. +10
        5 June 2024 06: 55
        Remember, people actively fought for this in the late 80s and early 90s, they wanted “capitalism with a human face,” and they got what they got. An involution has occurred in social relations, moving away from a more progressive form of human relations to a degenerate, capitalist system. But now we are surprised. Remember the story of who opened the gates of Pskov to the “dog knights” during the time of Alexander Nevsky, they were merchants “common people”. Our country is in a deep moral crisis. The “fat belly” has won over the “brains” in our country. The outlook in the country is bleak, a change in socio-political formation usually occurs through a revolution, our guarantor said that we have chosen all the limits in this area, it is only possible through evolution. “But the “fat belly” will try with all its might to prevent this. So nothing good awaits us ahead. And we have ourselves to blame for this.
    3. +32
      4 June 2024 06: 19
      This article is literally a cry from the author about the terrible state of fertility among indigenous peoples. With this anti-people oligarchic government, we are doomed only to extinction, it does not need smart, thinking people who can demand an account from the authorities and re-elect it in elections, and migration policy shows this well with the importation of hordes of Asians, we will simply be replaced by other peoples in a couple of decades.
      1. +5
        4 June 2024 06: 56
        As long as we lead like the guys from the famous movie, nothing will change. What about the proposal for maternity capital? How about educating, providing, educating children for what? Maybe we should take it from ourselves and stop bringing it to institutions from nurseries, schools and hospitals are banknotes. There, where they should do their job anyway.
        1. +8
          4 June 2024 09: 14
          dmi.pris1
          Maybe we can take it from ourselves

          Of course you need!
          But what will change if you and I, and several thousand more change ourselves for the better, and millions do NOT want to change?
          stop bringing banknotes to institutions from nurseries, schools and hospitals. Where they should do their job anyway.

          And what is the root cause that they started “carrying” in the first place? Severe/inevitable punishment for bribes and a VERY decent salary, I think, would minimize this tumor. But neither the first nor the second point is observed, so there is no need to be surprised...
          In my humble opinion, the most important mistake is the wholesale destruction of the Russian countryside, the disappearance of the rural population. Only the village could somehow compensate for the demographic losses of the Russian population. The disappearance of the village is a death sentence for demography. In a cramped city apartment it is unrealistic to have four or more children, but in a spacious rural house it is quite possible. Life in the countryside is cheaper, which means the average rural family can have many children, but never in a city.
          1. +12
            4 June 2024 09: 31
            I agree with almost everything. However, the village has now changed a lot. Towards city life. Most people have stopped keeping farms. Yes, the houses are large, personally ours is two-story .. I don’t present myself as some kind of “example of a villager” - except for me on a street of 80 yards, only four or five keep livestock with us (poultry doesn’t count). And where children study for modern professions, only in the city of Krasnodar or Rostov (it’s a little cheaper to study there). Children, yes, four. Two are already independent
            1. +12
              4 June 2024 10: 24
              Most people stopped keeping farms.

              And why? Yes, because feed has become expensive, and livestock is 80% feed.
              And where children study for modern professions, only in the city of Krasnodar

              Previously, each regional center had several technical schools and vocational schools, and the regional center had universities. The children graduated and returned, because living in the city is fun, but expensive, competition, and at home everything is familiar, if there is work and a decent salary, housing is provided by the infrastructure and culture, then most will return...
              1. +6
                4 June 2024 11: 04
                It’s not about the feed. It’s about laziness. It’s easier to go across the road to Pyaterochka and buy everything there. People often have already given up working on potatoes, so they’ll plant a couple of beds of vegetables. About specialists. Yes, they’re building housing for them , they give loans. But they work off their dues, privatize housing and leave for Krasnodar or the coast. The earnings there are completely different
                1. +5
                  4 June 2024 11: 34
                  It's not about the feed

                  And in feed too.
                  And that’s laziness.

                  And this is there, but before everyone worked. Then the collective farms collapsed, there was no feed, and the cattle went under the knife. Somewhere private owners have taken over the land, and they either only prepare food for themselves, or sell it at such a price that the cattle turn out “golden”...
                  People often have already stopped working on potatoes.

                  I can't eat store-bought food. Any vegetables. Only your own, the aroma of your vegetables and fruits cannot be overestimated.
                  About specialists. Yes, they build housing for them, give them loans. But they work off their dues, privatize housing and leave for Krasnodar or the coast. The earnings there are completely different

                  So what am I talking about? We need decent wages commensurate with work and education. We need good infrastructure so that any family can easily go to Krasnodar on weekends using personal or public transport to relax, and not necessarily live there. We need culture, at least some minimum standard set: a school, a kindergarten, a recreational center, a recreation center with a dozen sections, several technical schools/colleges in the area. Then up to 80% will remain in their small homeland. The other 20% cannot be restrained, but oh well, cities also need fresh strength...
                  1. +3
                    4 June 2024 12: 23
                    Store-bought tomatoes are often better than our own, and I can say the same about many other vegetables and fruits. You can't, the vast majority of people can. I personally like the potatoes sold in Magnit and Pyaterochka to be no worse than those that my relatives grow in their garden from purchased seed material.
              2. +2
                5 June 2024 17: 17
                People stopped keeping livestock on the same principle as why they stopped conducting subsistence farming with the production of all consumer goods with their own hands. The development of mankind has led to the fact that people no longer have a vital need to engage in subsistence farming at home.
            2. +1
              5 June 2024 22: 24
              Street of houses 200, Crimea, at one time everyone rushed to keep the farm, cows, pigs, but there was no grazing, there were wars for forest belts, they also started driving from the airfield, I barely got away from their excavator, so what in the end? We returned to 2 cows, all over the street. I have two daughters, they are screwed, there is no work, it’s the season - will there be vacationers or not? What to expect? when will we live? Why is it that everything comes down to the eternal question “what to do?”
          2. +8
            4 June 2024 10: 11
            the most important mistake is the wholesale destruction of the rural population.

            Private houses as a solution.
            The Amish live in private homes.
            The birth rate per woman is on average 1 children.
            The Amish are one of the fastest growing populations in the entire world.
            The average Amish family has seven children.

            From 1992 to 2010, population growth among the Amish in North America was 99%.
            During this time, they founded 184 new settlements and moved to six new US states.
            In 2000, approximately 165 Old Order Amish were permanent residents of the United States.

            In 2000, more than 165 thousand Old Order Amish lived in Canada and the United States.
            By 2008, according to the study, their number increased to 227 thousand people.
            In 2010, a new study showed a 10% increase in numbers over two years, to 249 thousand people, with increasing progress to the west.
            1. +4
              4 June 2024 11: 12
              The Amish are an example of de-urbanization in a closed group of people. They live in the 19th century, if not earlier
          3. +7
            4 June 2024 10: 39
            Quote: Doccor18
            Life in the countryside is cheaper, which means the average rural family can have many children
            Alas, rural life cannot be compared with city life in terms of profitability or attractiveness, and, alas, there is no culture of life in the suburbs in Russia. It appeared in America after World War II, when the Great White Flight from the cities began. It’s clear why - in the cities they gave free rein to minorities, and this means crime, a decline in the quality of schools, and in general the quality of life, starting with dirt on the streets, cockroaches, and rats (and they will inevitably be there if you get dirty, litter, and don’t clean up).
            I live in the not-so-close suburbs of New York. Getting to almost any job in Manhattan when I worked there was typically less than an hour door-to-door on public transportation. The house is small, but there are 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms (combined, of course). We have enough, but a larger house means higher taxes and energy consumption. Yes, of course, there is more prestige, but prestige is not the main thing for us, and after the Soviet apartments in which we grew up, this is quite prestigious in our eyes. In our town, the school system is such that more than 90% of graduates go on to study further. Doctors and hospitals in the suburbs are no worse than in New York. The neurosurgeon who repaired my spine in a hospital in a neighboring town operates once a week at Mount Sinai, one of the most prestigious hospitals in New York, and there is a waiting list for him. And in the sense of jobs that I have changed quite a bit (such is the fate of a consultant), in the suburbs there are no less than in the city, and they are not paid much lower, and taking into account travel fees, the difference is even less.
            And I still remember from Leningrad how Olgino (now already within the city, but then it was just outside) was considered a remote village, although it was 20 minutes by regular bus from my not very central district, and generally 10 by car (that’s if you throw off your leg from gas only in front of the traffic police postlol).
          4. +3
            4 June 2024 11: 41
            The disappearance of the village is a death sentence for demography. In a cramped city apartment it is unrealistic to have four or more children, but in a spacious rural house it is quite possible.

            Is it possible to have many children in a spacious 4-room apartment? And in a small rural house?
            A rhetorical question. If you have money, you have living space, you can have a large family anywhere. There are even more opportunities in the city, more money for work, higher wages, etc.
          5. +1
            5 June 2024 16: 34
            Life in the countryside is much more difficult. No infrastructure, no entertainment. There is only a lot of daily hard auxiliary work in a personal household. That is why villagers flock to cities at the first opportunity.
          6. 0
            8 June 2024 16: 41
            Quote: Doccor18
            Life in the countryside is cheaper

            Where will you work in the countryside? Already in the USSR, young people fled from the villages to the cities
            1. +1
              9 June 2024 11: 04
              where will you work in the village?

              In fact, in rural areas the problem is the lack of workers, and not the problem of lack of work.
              Already in the USSR, young people fled from the villages to the cities

              She fled because she strived for better salaries, for human life (and not to walk knee-deep in mud and manure), for culture...
              In modern conditions (in some places this already exists) there is no need to dig up to your ears in mud, much of livestock farming is mechanized, wages in strong farms are not very inferior to urban ones, housing is much easier, the products are natural and affordable. The most pressing problems are infrastructure (roads) and culture. But the first can be easily solved by the state (if there is a desire), and the second, provided that the first is resolved, is not so terrible. You can easily get to the city for a cultural holiday on the weekend... Look what is happening with farming. After all, it was very difficult work, but hundreds of thousands were ready for it. They only need minimal assistance and no tax/administrative burden. Farming is one of the keys to the survival of the village as such...
              More about employment: nothing prevents the construction of factories for processing local agricultural products, food and light industry enterprises in villages and small towns. It’s funny when, in the presence of domestic livestock farming, almost all shoes are imported, and local stores sell products brought thousands of kilometers away....
        2. +2
          4 June 2024 10: 07
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          Maybe they should take it from themselves and stop bringing it to institutions from nurseries, schools and hospital banknotes.
          To be treated for nothing is to be treated for nothing. hi
          1. +7
            4 June 2024 11: 18
            What does it mean - for nothing? Hospitals operate under the insurance system. And almost everyone considers it their “duty” to give back. In paid clinics it is completely different, and this is understandable. Not greedy, people are simply taught to pay for work that a priori is already well paid. I mean doctors.
            1. +7
              4 June 2024 11: 25
              More than 14 million diagnoses were made in Moscow clinics in less than a year using AI, Deputy Mayor Anastasia Rakova reported recently. She is introducing AI into medicine with the same enthusiasm as recently - anti-Covid hospitals, and before that - no less successfully - city simulacra like the Active Citizen.

              History repeats itself this time too. The implementation is accompanied by a lot of noise. Everyone involved in the scheme actively reports and ticks the boxes. As a result, budget funds have been spent, officials are extremely happy, and the effectiveness is highly questionable.

              AI, as many still not completely indifferent doctors claim, often makes incorrect diagnoses. For example, neural networks are capable of making mistakes when examining images obtained during a computed tomography - not seeing or, conversely, drawing in non-existent details that are of fundamental importance for making a diagnosis.

              The new generation of doctors, for whom the main thing is not the patient’s health, but career growth and, accordingly, strict adherence to the protocol and instructions of their superiors, does not particularly bother with checks. And often they simply copy-paste the diagnosis proposed by the omnipotent AI.

              Accordingly, for a real diagnosis, the patient turns to paid medicine. This is good for paid clinics and the city budget, which receives more taxes. But not very good for the budget and health of the citizens. Those who do not have money for paid medicine may be left with diseases invented by AI, which will be treated with completely non-virtual drugs that have side effects.
              The Seventh Seal TG channel

              Well, this is how everything moves somehow. What is called "the right way"
      2. +21
        4 June 2024 07: 21
        We will simply be replaced by other nations in a couple of decades.
        It seems like this is the plan.
        1. +12
          4 June 2024 11: 05
          . It seems like this is the plan.

          It seems that we have a memory like a fish. And to refresh it, literally today a certain gentleman, the head of Black Rock, with his ten trillion dollars, climbed onto the world stage, and, brushing aside the embarrassed allegories of Mr. Shvabr, declared directly to the forehead, with transnational corporate honesty, they say, we don’t need so much population in conditions of robotization and insemination of humanity with Artificial Intelligence.
          However, here in Russia, following the plan of transnational corporations, according to which everything is going, they hypocritically wring their hands, raise their eyes to the sky, sigh sadly and talk about the falling birth rate as their personal grief. But only because someone with a high birth rate, due to our low one, or because of a conventional military advantage, can go to the territories of rich hunting for minerals - one of the primary sources of well-being for those who try. And there will be no one to collect taxes from.
          But!
          But in cities people do not reproduce as intensively as in rural areas! No matter how many millions of rubles would be given to a Russian urban woman, at least in the second generation. At first, under the pressure of millions of rubles, only visiting Asian women will intensively reproduce, but already in their second generation the birth rate will begin to decline under the pressure of the urban lifestyle, and this is inevitable!

          Meanwhile, I quote:
          . Alexey Kudrin stated that it is necessary to create a Volga agglomeration of 8-12 million people, like a number of other agglomeration centers:

          “In Russia now, Moscow is the only center that can meet the world level. The share of Moscow and St. Petersburg in the country’s GDP will increase. To counter this, we need to create several cool agglomerations. Yekaterinburg, the Volga region, Krasnodar, Rostov are partially capable of this ( can implement the idea) Novosibirsk, Tomsk. We believe, within the framework of our estimates, that this could be a region that unites 8, 9, and 12 million people. This will already be a center of international level with a corresponding quality of life. importance and in the interests of Tatarstan. The convenient location of the cities along the waterway is quite close."

          The agglomeration issue in Russia is slowly but surely gaining momentum. 3-4 years ago Kudrin simply spoke about this. Then we heard from Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin about the strategy of “aggressive infrastructure development,” which involves the construction of 40 agglomerations in Russia. And now it seems that they have already begun to implement these plans.


          Former Defense Minister Shoigu also signed up there (remember his plans for building multi-million dollar buildings in Siberia? We here at VO discussed this issue, looked at maps, explored the area!)
          So our helpless and multidirectional government thought is struggling in several hunting snares and loudly crying out for intellectual help. On the one hand, the population must be sufficient to hold the territories, on the other hand, the population, excessive from the point of view of international corporations, must be eliminated, and on the third - from whom should taxes be collected? Well, and so on...
        2. +5
          4 June 2024 11: 18
          For example, here is the plan and reality.
      3. +3
        5 June 2024 12: 30
        How many children do you have? In my grandmother’s family, on the maternal side there were 8 children, my parents have three of us, I have one, as well as my brother and sister. That’s all the arithmetic for you. You need to give birth more, not invent excuses why this is impossible.
        1. +2
          5 June 2024 17: 49
          In order for everyone to have 8 children, it is necessary to be born into a family of poorly educated pious peasants of the late 19th and early 18th centuries. What is the difference from what it is now? Well, for example, the fact that 150 years ago children were given birth without thinking at all about how they would live in the future. Peasants needed labor to conduct subsistence farming. Also, due to the lack of medicine, due to the fact that peasants faced infant mortality from childhood, they tried to give birth as many as they could, because not everyone will survive. Plus there was no sexual literacy, not even condoms, or any information at all on the topic of intersexual relations. He was a house builder and a priest in the church. Do you want this? Go ahead. I personally don't want to.
          1. +2
            8 June 2024 12: 05
            What you wrote are typical “arguments” of the liberda. No more and no less.
            1. 0
              11 June 2024 10: 50
              First, have 5 children yourself, and then express your expert opinion on the topic of how many children someone should have.
      4. +3
        5 June 2024 16: 32
        We will be replaced, and the descendants of the current officials will go to live on the Cote d'Azur, telling tales about the horrors of “this country.” Great plan. We need to start learning Tajik language :)
    4. +3
      4 June 2024 11: 22
      Quote: curvimeter
      No offense to other nationalities

      Especially “our Chechen friends”...
    5. P
      +2
      5 June 2024 15: 18
      if you wait, nothing will happen.
    6. +1
      8 June 2024 13: 29
      The author’s fundamental mistake is that he believes that the solution is subsidies FROM the state to the individual. This is a dead end path since the subsidy is either the same for everyone, and then for a family with low incomes in a remote village it is large, but for those who earn well it is of little significance, or they need to waste time and nerves collecting certificates.
      More common sense in the opposite approach - benefits. For example:
      How someone got married - minus 20 percent of taxes and fees to the Pension Fund
      The first child is another minus 20 percent,
      The second is to leave a third of taxes
      Third - complete exemption of spouses from taxes to the Pension Fund, taxes a third from a single person
      What will it give?
      Educated, sober and well-earning people will be interested in having three children. And then give them a quality education
  2. +10
    4 June 2024 05: 52
    We need this, we need this... recourse But who among those in power will listen to the author? request
    1. +5
      4 June 2024 06: 53
      But who among those in power will listen to the author?
      God forbid they listen!!
      What the author suggests
      Maternity capital should be for the first child in money the cost of a one-room apartment (free or with a subsidy of at least 50%) and the cost of one room (15-18 sq. m - free or with a subsidy of at least 50%) for the second and subsequent child. For individual construction – 50 sq. m per child. A discount of 50 to 100% must be tied to an inverse relationship with family income.
      - this sharp increase in the number of Moscow belay
      How pregnant women flew to Argentina and the USA so that the child could become a US citizen.
      It will be exactly the same here.
      Pregnant women will get divorced and go to Moscow. The income will be meager, the cost of housing will be crazy, the resulting 1-2 room apartment will be resold, and Moscow will still grow in area.

      For the second proposal
      But this measure should not apply to ethnic families of citizens from Central Asia: it is necessary to ensure the growth of the Russian and indigenous population of the country. The author actually made me laugh.
      It is, of course, mega popular - to divide your citizens into people of the 1st grade and not so much (“dark ones”). But...
      1) this is legally impossible
      2) all bribe-taking officials give a standing ovation; we do not control or check this issue in any way. Purely to the official’s eye, the thickness of the cutlet makes money.
      So, can you determine the nationality of my friend Sergei Sergeevich Sergei?
      1. +6
        4 June 2024 08: 36
        Quote: your1970
        But this measure should not apply to ethnic families of citizens from Central Asia: it is necessary to ensure the growth of the Russian and indigenous population of the country. The author actually made me laugh.
        Yes, in general - how is the author going to determine? What if families are mixed?! And to appeal to Gundyaev is completely beyond the bounds. Now I’ve found an example of non-covetousness and protest
      2. +10
        4 June 2024 11: 58
        In all countries, including the former USSR, for example Kazakhstan, they are not shy about supporting their nationality, but Russians are shy. Israel accepts Jews. Why can’t we accept Russian immigrants? Where is the Russian map? Where are the benefits for Russian migrants? But they are not there! For others there is, but for Russians not.
        But it was about 10 years ago, when residents of Central Asia began to take Russian names to make it easier to leave for Russia, but they quickly curtailed the program because Russians were not needed in Russia.
        1. +5
          4 June 2024 14: 25
          But it was about 10 years ago, when residents of Central Asia began to take Russian names to make it easier to leave for Russia, but they quickly curtailed the program because Russians were not needed in Russia. you are a little bit wrong, yeah.
          The fashion for Russian names in Central Asia was in the USSR in 1960-1970 - it was easier to break into the authorities.
          And the children of those “Sergei Borisovichs” (in fact Serikov Bulatovich belay ) have a Russian patronymic, nothing more. And even then very few.
          The name did not provide any benefits in obtaining citizenship for the “Russian” type. Therefore, a story, no more....
          1. +4
            4 June 2024 15: 44
            I’m not writing about bikes, and I’m not writing about the 70 shaggy years. About the 2000-2010s, when they took Russian names to obtain citizenship.
            Resettlement program for compatriots. It was there and worked until a certain time. A number of classmates moved along it. Therefore, I write about what I know.
            1. 0
              4 June 2024 22: 13
              1999-2011 customs officer at the RK-RF border.
              I have been living here on the border with Kazakhstan for 54 years.
              This is the first time I hear from you - so Central Asians They took Russian names "Like they will help with the resettlement program for compatriots."
              The program does not and cannot have formulas like “only with a Russian surname”
              Conditions for participation in the program - so as not to be unfounded
              ".....in accordance with the provisions of the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation dated September 14.09.2012, 1289 No. XNUMX, one can take part in the State program to assist the voluntary resettlement of compatriots living abroad to the Russian Federation (hereinafter referred to as the State Program) any a compatriot who meets the following requirements:

              legal capacity;
              working age (over 18 years and under 55 years for women and 60 years for men);
              permanent residence abroad (possession of a permanent residence permit in Namibia or Namibian citizenship, and lack of registration at the place of residence in Russia).
              Family members of a State Program participant moving with him for permanent residence to the territory of the Russian Federation may be:
              spouse;
              children, including adopted children or those under guardianship (trusteeship);
              children of the spouse of a participant in the State program;
              parents of the State program participant and his spouse, siblings and brothers of the State program participant and his spouse;
              children of sisters and brothers of a State program participant and his spouse, including those adopted or under guardianship (trusteeship), grandparents, grandchildren."

              So Kazakhs and others can, of course, dream up anything they want - but in the legal acts there are no such benefits for Russian names
              1. +2
                5 June 2024 10: 04
                permanent residence abroad (possession of a permanent residence permit in Namibia or Namibian citizenship, and lack of registration at the place of residence in Russia).

                I don’t quite understand what Namibia has to do with it. OK.
                So Kazakhs and others can, of course, dream up anything they want - but in the legal acts there are no such benefits for Russian names

                In our state, it is naive to think that they will write down some benefits in the legal acts for Russians. Yes, there is nothing now. Moreover, according to the government representative in the State Duma, it is impossible to provide priority rights to citizenship to Russians.
                and when it all started, it was easier for the Russians. If you are Russian, you could obtain the status of a native speaker of the Russian language and apply for a residence permit without a temporary permit. In addition, in the regions, invitations were preferably issued to Russians.
                That's why they started using it. In my case, we are talking about the residents of Kyrgyzstan.
        2. 0
          5 June 2024 17: 54
          Moreover, all indigenous nationalities must be supported - Russians, Tatars, Bashkirs, Chechens, Buryats and others living in Russia.
        3. +2
          5 June 2024 17: 59
          After the “concert” in Crocus in the State Duma they shouted to the point that Tajiks are compatriots of Russians! And native Russians should be involved in the policy of European multiculturalism! Is it the Russians who should multiculturalize themselves with non-Russian-speaking alien representatives of other countries? It is not they who should assimilate, but we who should adapt to them.
      3. +2
        5 June 2024 17: 52
        Everything is solvable. It is legal to prohibit the resale of social apartments. An apartment exists in ownership only if the family exists, for example. There are plenty of mechanisms. There are only few brains and a lot of greed.
        1. 0
          5 June 2024 22: 37
          There are plenty of mechanisms. - there are no real mechanisms - when a Moscow apartment is at stake - which costs 3-4-5 apartments in the regions or pays off a mortgage with a monthly rent in any city in the country.
          The bet will be too high.
          There are a lot of scams with the mother, and in such situations...
          1. +1
            5 June 2024 22: 51
            Offhand you can come up with the following. The state itself is building a specialized housing stock for citizens of the Russian Federation who are officially married and who are expected to have a new child. The social apartment/townhouse being issued cannot under any circumstances be involved in a commercial transaction. Just like someone cannot leave separately from the child. Perhaps, in the event of a divorce, it is necessary to come up with a mechanism in which social housing is assigned to one of the guardians with the child. The mechanism should be such that the parents can use the living space until their death without the possibility of selling it to third parties, but only with the further transfer of the living space to the child. At the same time, no rent is charged for the use of living space. The family lives - pay utilities and some analogue of property taxes in the most insignificant form. One of the tasks is for the family, over the years of living in a social apartment, to be able to save up for their own personal housing in order to pass it on to their children. There are plenty of mechanisms. But in wild and inhumane capitalism this is impossible.
            1. +1
              5 June 2024 23: 09
              The mechanism should be such that parents can use the living space until their death without the possibility of sale to third parties, but only with the further transfer of living space to the child then the good old Soviet registration?!
              But this option will enslave the family no worse than a modern mortgage. If the family decides to move, for health reasons or for money
              Now, when moving with a mortgage, you can solve the issue, but with your option we cannot solve it.
              And yes, there is a queue for such housing nearby, as a source of corruption. In the USSR this flourished sooooo much
              1. +1
                5 June 2024 23: 13
                And this can also be solved. Possibility of changing place of residence according to employment. Those. First, a family member who receives a higher income gets a job in a new place, and then the whole family moves to exchange housing stock. Temporary placement of a parent who has left to work in another region is decided by dormitories and accommodation in the private sector.
                1. +1
                  5 June 2024 23: 28
                  Persuaded! Organize, I have nothing against it. lol
                  But even in the USSR - without capitalism - there was wild corruption, theft and scams around housing.
                  1. +1
                    5 June 2024 23: 55
                    Well, the history of mankind is inseparable from corruption, theft and fraud. And also inseparable from wars, criminality and other abominations.
  3. +7
    4 June 2024 05: 53
    As they say: “You can’t wait!”
    “A people that depends on the will of one person cannot survive and does not deserve it” / R. Sheridan/
    1. +5
      4 June 2024 07: 38
      Nevertheless, Russia lived and developed (whether it was good or bad is another topic) both under the autocrats and under Stalin. And under the “collegial leadership” after Stalin, it fell apart.
    2. 0
      4 June 2024 22: 24
      "A people that depends on the will of one person cannot survive and does not deserve it" /R. Sheridan/ and he has strain with history...
      Ancient Rome existed for 800 years.
      China for at least 2000 years.
      Great Britain has been under the control of the monarchs for how many years.
      Russia is more than a thousand years old.
      How many years will the USA last? Perhaps we will see its decline, perhaps not. But I deeply doubt that they will last at least another 100 years.
  4. +12
    4 June 2024 06: 01
    Here is the reason stated. Our thieves devour them, they ruin them, rot them, burn them, just so that the people don’t get it. Especially fuel energy. And prices are rising daily
  5. +10
    4 June 2024 06: 07
    And what does the raw material economy have to do with it? The Japanese and Germans are also dying out with their high technologies. The fact of the matter is that low birth rates are the scourge of developed countries. Smart people do not want to ruin their lives, like the Africans, who have nothing left to do but rivet children .Modern white people want to live for themselves, especially since two children do not interfere with this, but also do not replenish the population.
    1. +4
      4 June 2024 06: 57
      Modern white people want to live for themselves

      first “live for yourself”, then “die for yourself”, and all that remains is for fertilizer in accordance with European trends...
      1. +2
        4 June 2024 08: 59
        Doesn't it matter what's left?
      2. P
        0
        5 June 2024 15: 27
        in traditional societies they live and give birth to children for themselves in the same way, because in the household, children are used for their own benefit and their cost from conception to the start of work is less than the expected benefit
    2. +7
      4 June 2024 07: 46
      Quote: Sergei Timofeich
      Smart people don’t want to ruin their lives, like Africans, who have nothing better to do than rivet children. Modern white people want to live for themselves, especially since two children don’t interfere with this, but they also don’t replenish the population.

      Well, if by this we mean having your own home, then yes... you want to live for yourself... or do you think, in the provinces, do young families live, so to speak, “for themselves”? Do they travel abroad and engage in “mountain climbing”? Yes, somehow no.. as a rule, they are doomed to pay off a “wild” mortgage for many years.. can one really only think about the next child? Do you call this "for yourself"? then we have a different understanding of this term..
      1. +3
        4 June 2024 09: 00
        maternity capital and your own housing are at most 10%, which prevents you from building large families
        1. +2
          4 June 2024 09: 05
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          maternity capital and your own housing are at most 10%, which prevents you from building large families

          I substantiated my conclusion, moreover, what was written is my personal reason - why I don’t have 3 children (since I know my reasons for sure - I hope you won’t argue?)... but what are you talking about in your statement? the validity of the statement and what it is about is not disclosed in any way... what then are these 90%? laughing
          1. +5
            4 June 2024 09: 09
            2 There are two of me too, the main problem is that the institution of family has been destroyed, for about 10 years now there have been more divorces than marriages, young people generally live without registration
            1. +1
              4 June 2024 15: 18
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              2 There are two of me too, the main problem is that the institution of family has been destroyed, for about 10 years now there have been more divorces than marriages

              everything is correct, but where does family begin? from the family nest, and when it’s not there? not only this is the reason, but this is one of the main ones - not 10%, but all 50-60% as for me... and the second of the main reasons is the reluctance to achieve something calmly and confidently, but I want everything at once in my 20s 25 years old (mostly girls)..
              1. +2
                5 June 2024 05: 27
                in the USSR, too, not at the age of 20, they received housing immediately after marriage, they lived in dorms with their parents, so housing is not the basis for creating a family, I know a lot of people who have more than one home of their own, but no more than 2 children, mostly 1, although they have everything, the mentality has changed, everyone now wants to live for themselves
                1. +1
                  5 June 2024 07: 04
                  Quote: Nastia Makarova
                  in the USSR, too, not at the age of 20, they received housing immediately after marriage, they lived in dorms with their parents, so housing is not the basis for creating a family, I know a lot of people who have more than one home of their own, but no more than 2 children, mostly 1, although they have everything, the mentality has changed, everyone now wants to live for themselves

                  in the USSR, everyone KNEW that housing would be available sooner or later (they hoped for it sooner, and the majority received it) and they would not need to buy it with a mortgage - now, how is the situation similar? and I have a lot of those who, precisely because of the lack of housing, or rather the money to buy it, do not want to expand their family... you know
                  Quote: Nastia Makarova
                  everyone now wants to live for themselves

                  this is essentially true for the majority - maximum up to 27-30 years and for 80 percent it goes away with age, I’m talking about these people, and not about those whose “brains are twisted” forever and they are “chilling in Bali”, etc. So - by the age of 30, when a woman is XNUMX years old, and her husband has no opportunity to single-handedly manage both a mortgage and a family with his wife on maternity leave, how do you propose to continue giving birth? this is really a brave step... and it’s not about “living for your own pleasure”, it’s about simply living as an average person - or is the desire to live a statistically average whim? and having children shouldn’t be a brave step, you know? I’m talking about these people, who are the majority and whose housing was not “for free” from relatives, although if it’s a one- or two-room apartment, then it’s about them..
                  1. +1
                    5 June 2024 07: 47
                    I have a lot of friends who have housing and don’t even want to start a family, the problem is not housing and mortgages, they don’t create families!!! up to 30 years of age, 80% live without families at all and without children

                    Mostly housing comes from relatives
                    1. 0
                      5 June 2024 07: 50
                      Quote: Nastia Makarova
                      I have a lot of friends who have housing and don’t even want to start a family, the problem is not housing and mortgages, they don’t create families!!! up to 30 years of age, 80% live without families at all and without children

                      As I understand it, this is in Moscow or another metropolis? because here in the Stavropol Territory the situation is completely different... and young people already with their own non-credit housing are a clear minority...
                      1. 0
                        5 June 2024 07: 53
                        not in Moscow, I’m from the Krasnodar Territory, until the age of 30 they prefer to live for themselves and alone, without a family, in the best cases this is cohabitation without obligations, what kind of large families even if they don’t want one
                      2. 0
                        5 June 2024 07: 59
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        not in Moscow, I'm from the Krasnodar region

                        Krasnodar itself, or Sochi, there are essentially few differences from Moscow in mentality... we don’t have such a global problem, people get married/have their first child before the age of 30 in 80% of cases... and then the question arises about which I wrote... By the way, it’s a long walk - two of my classmates (one of the wealthiest “in the class” today) - one has 4 children, the other 3.. I don’t see exactly the fact that the problem you described is applicable to the majority of the population.. although they too enough.. but they are not the majority for sure..
                      3. 0
                        5 June 2024 08: 59
                        I’m from Sochi, but I also know everything about Krasnodar, you are close to the Caucasian mentality, there at the age of 20 you should already have a family, all this means that housing, maternity capital is not the most important thing, many have housing but somewhere in the village but they don’t want to live there, they want to live in big cities, but they can’t buy apartments there from birth
                      4. 0
                        5 June 2024 20: 09
                        You approach a modern problem with archaic methods of solution. You completely deny social factors.
                2. +1
                  5 June 2024 18: 39
                  In the USSR there was 100% confidence that when a child was born you would be given an apartment for FREE. And you will raise him in an apartment. And there was 100% confidence that when your child grows up he will not become homeless. This was in the USSR. Now this is not even close.
                  1. 0
                    5 June 2024 22: 58
                    In the USSR there was 100% confidence that when a child was born you would be given a FREE apartment. and communism will be built by 2000(s) National Agricultural Union
                    Only here’s a vulgar nuance - emergency dorms are still being resettled in which those who did NOT get an apartment in the USSR live, although there were children.

                    And there was 100% confidence that when your child grows up he will not become homeless. This was in the USSR. Yes Yes....
                    Where did only 800 criminals come from every year and where did they go en masse after serving time?
                    And the concept of “reeder” did not exist in the Stavropol Territory lol
                    1. +1
                      5 June 2024 23: 10
                      You apparently think of me as a 1st grade student. In 1991, naturally, there were people who lived in dorms and communal apartments. The process of getting an apartment was not immediate. We had to wait for some time. Not 10-15 years like with a mortgage, but faster. Much faster. When the USSR collapsed, all these people were almost instantly left alone with their problems. Because the state has abandoned solving these problems, just as it has abandoned 99% of its responsibilities. At that time, my aunt and her little son were living in St. Petersburg in a communal apartment in a room and were waiting in line to be resettled. The USSR disappeared and they “fed” her in line until 2020, when she was told without any fuss that she could be free. In the USSR, she would have received at least a 1-room apartment for 3 years. And there were hundreds of thousands like her in the RSFSR.
                      And tell passages about criminals to your drinking buddies. Let's compare, where were there more criminals per capita? In the USA or in the USSR?
                      1. 0
                        5 June 2024 23: 25
                        In the USSR she would have received at least a 1-room apartment in 3 years. Well, why didn’t you receive it?
                        Our holder of the Order of Glory lived in a barracks recognized as unsafe....in 1972 year. I hated walking around in front of my superiors and shaking my medals, so I died there in the early 2000s.
                        These people have lived in dorms not since 1991, when the state abandoned them, but since the 1970s-1980s.
                        Only at large enterprises - which did a lot of construction and where there was a high staff turnover - they provided housing quickly. Everyone else has 5 and 10 years or more.
                        My dear aunt, a doctor in Moscow, got a room in 1974, they moved her into a communal apartment.... No, they didn’t resettle her until the old people died and she bought 2 rooms in 2010-2020.
                        They promised in 5 years lol - but promising does not mean getting married.

                        Let's compare, where were there more criminals per capita? I gave you an example of how many homeless people there were in the USSR - registration for periods of 3 years or more was automatically canceled.
                        И basic the masses walked into the homeless, poked around finely, sat down, and so on in a circle. Because they didn’t really hire me to work with the article. And if there is no work, there is no housing or registration.
                        This is to your statement - that it was 100% impossible to become homeless
            2. 0
              8 June 2024 13: 39
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              2 There are two of me too, the main problem is that the institution of family has been destroyed, for about 10 years now there have been more divorces than marriages, young people generally live without registration

              Lucky you!
              And when I was a child, my wife’s mother-in-law beat her in the stomach and gave her infertility.
    3. 0
      4 June 2024 16: 45
      Quote: Sergei Timofeich
      Smart people don't want to ruin their lives, but...

      Well, if you are brought up that a child is a burden, then of course! request
    4. 0
      5 June 2024 18: 21
      In Japan, it is impossible to buy personal housing in a big city during your lifetime. In Germany the situation is approximately similar. People see and die that they will not be able to provide normal housing and education for their descendants.
  6. +8
    4 June 2024 06: 10
    Why do you think the relatives of all our general secretaries of presidents suddenly end up in the West))? probably on topic (well, don’t despair; in Uzbekistan there are already 37 million, we’ll help in any way we can
  7. +14
    4 June 2024 06: 11
    Great article. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. There is no need to invent anything, everything has long been tested and worked in the USSR and the GDR and beyond. A child was born - apartment (house). Everything else is blah blah blah. Extinction will continue.
    1. +6
      4 June 2024 07: 01
      Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. There is no need to invent anything, everything has long been tested and worked in the USSR and the GDR and beyond. Baby was born - apartment (house)

      good start, but completely wrong conclusions....
      Taking into account the fact that there are almost no Russian speakers in our country, if your dreams come true, all the “apartments and houses” will be received by our irreplaceable, valuable specialists - new fellow citizens!
      p.s. It’s good to know the Gospel, but it would be nice to remember the Old Testament commandments, for example, “be fruitful and multiply” and “thou shalt not kill”
      1. +4
        4 June 2024 07: 12
        There are no specialists, almost everyone is from the village. But these are the real works of the government “by their fruits you will know them.” So cut it down and throw it into the fire. Without blah - blah - blah.
      2. +2
        4 June 2024 07: 19
        There are no specialists, almost everyone is from the village, and mainly in the Moscow and St. Petersburg agglomerations. These are the real works of government "by their fruits ye shall know them." So cut it down and throw it into the fire. Without blah - blah - blah.
      3. +5
        4 June 2024 09: 24
        The fact of the matter is that, after all, the Old Testament was for certain people, and not for everyone. hi
      4. +1
        4 June 2024 13: 05
        There (in the Torah) there are practically no “unmined” lines.
        It’s better (safer) to make do with quotes from the New Testament if you really want to get smart.
      5. +2
        5 June 2024 20: 10
        Well, if you give apartments to non-Russian foreigners, then this is what will happen. You are thinking narrowly.
    2. +2
      4 June 2024 09: 02
      this is nonsense, give everyone a house and an apartment, the birth rate will not increase
      1. +2
        4 June 2024 19: 08
        Brad is a family loan. It is bad to have clip thinking and clip education. I advise you to read ancient Russian history (Kiev uprising of 1113).
        1. -1
          5 June 2024 05: 28
          so I say that a family loan is bad
          1. +1
            5 June 2024 06: 23
            Therefore, either go home or wear bast shoes to improve the demography of Russians
            1. +1
              5 June 2024 07: 48
              there are plenty of people who have houses and apartments but don’t create families, live for themselves
              1. +1
                5 June 2024 14: 59
                Terrible. We need to read books.
                “The focus on the countryside in terms of improving demographics is justified by the fact that in the current situation, it is people from villages and villages who are more patriotic and more clearly understand what their homeland is, unlike urban “citizens of the world,” emphasizes State Duma deputy Sergei Lisovsky.”
                (magazine “Agrotechnics and Technologies”, May-June 2024)
                1. +1
                  5 June 2024 15: 50
                  How can I get them to go there?
      2. -2
        4 June 2024 19: 17
        Historical trends - where there is economic development, the birth rate decreases, and vice versa, the birth rate remains where there is no economic development.
        1. +3
          4 June 2024 20: 28
          Quote: os9165
          Historical trends - where there is economic development, the birth rate is declining

          This rather indicates a misunderstanding of “economic development” or “economic growth”.

          For example, the number of residential meters per capita is increasing - it seems good. Height.

          And the fact that for these meters the population has to work so much that there is neither time nor mental strength left to give birth and raise children - is this economic development? Or social degradation?
          1. +1
            5 June 2024 07: 49
            80% of people under 30 live without families at all, many have housing but do not create families
            1. +1
              5 June 2024 10: 28
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              80% of people under 30 live without families at all, many have housing but do not create families

              I wrote: you have to work a lot. Make a career. And without a career, there will be housing (let’s assume, bought by parents), but there will be no money to start a family and raise children. And with a career, there will be money, but there will be no energy left for the family. Fork.
              1. +1
                5 June 2024 11: 58
                and also the imposed mentality that you have to live for yourself
                1. +1
                  5 June 2024 12: 08
                  Quote: Nastia Makarova
                  and also the imposed mentality that you have to live for yourself

                  Exactly - imposed. If you stop imposing it through advertising, propaganda and general encouragement of selfishness, then people will begin to change for the better.
                  1. 0
                    5 June 2024 12: 23
                    they will start, but this will take more than a dozen years
                    1. 0
                      5 June 2024 12: 31
                      Quote: Nastia Makarova
                      they will start, but this will take more than a dozen years

                      The best day to plant an apple tree was ten years ago. The second best day to plant an apple tree is today.
                2. P
                  -2
                  5 June 2024 15: 37
                  Everyone has always lived and lives for themselves and nothing else. It’s just that in one case children = profit, and in the other = losses
                3. +1
                  5 June 2024 20: 12
                  And to live, as I understand it, is necessary for you?
                  1. +1
                    6 June 2024 08: 03
                    for family!!!..................
            2. -1
              8 June 2024 13: 42
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              Until the age of 30 they live without families at all

              I remember the phrase of my previous friend when asked about children: “I cannot condemn a living being to attend school.” This is despite the fact that Rita was “only” raped at school, and not a spinal injury, like I had.
  8. +4
    4 June 2024 06: 13
    Nowhere in the world has the problem of fertility and a relatively high standard of living been solved. All the large payments to mothers did not lead to an increase in the birth rate of the indigenous population in Norway, Switzerland, etc. On the contrary, those who have come in large numbers already in the second generation stop giving birth. The only way to increase the birth rate is not to flood the problem with money, housing, etc., but to deprive women of access to a career and education. In this case, women will be able to realize themselves only in the family, but I categorically do not want such a fate for my daughter. So for now, migration is everything.
    1. +12
      4 June 2024 06: 27
      As for “nowhere” - please don’t say “blah blah”.. In the USSR in the 80s there was a period when they decided. The birth rate began to increase, but the new authorities “came to their senses” in time and very quickly resolved it in their own way.


      With such a standard of living as in Norway or Switzerland, one can speculate about the problems of demography.....

      The Russian people chose the very best from everyone.... From Switzerland - the birth rate, from Africa - the level of well-being. laughing
      1. 0
        4 June 2024 06: 36
        No need for blah blah. In the USSR, as prosperity grew, the birth rate fell. At the time of the collapse it was 2.1. on a woman. If the trend continues, now in the USSR it would be the same as in Russia. The communists could not solve anything. I lived for some time in the Czech Republic. The level of well-being there is not much different from ours, and black Africa is far from us.
        1. +1
          8 June 2024 18: 46
          The level of well-being in the Czech Republic now corresponds to the EU level. And it is higher than in the Russian Federation.

          And “blah blah” is your thing. Anyone today can look at and compare the demographics of the RSFSR and the Russian Federation on the Internet. Not "blah blah", but specifically. And he will see that after 1991 the situation with the birth rate changed sharply for the worse. Do you understand? It’s stupid to lie to you if you are easy to check...... laughing
      2. -8
        4 June 2024 07: 08
        As for “nowhere” - please don’t say “blah blah”.. In the USSR in the 80s there was a period when they decided. The birth rate began to increase, but the new authorities “came to their senses” in time and very quickly resolved it in their own way. haven't decided. The growth was in the Central Asian republics; in the RSFSR it practically stopped at the level of 2 kopecks.
        1. +11
          4 June 2024 07: 23
          Well, don’t tell me... I myself was born in 1982... So our class of this year of birth was the largest in the school, 34 people... While in others there were from 10 to 15... There was also a large class, they were from 1985 .r... 22 people... They were basically our brothers and sisters! The village was about a hundred households at that time, in the Chelyabinsk region!
    2. +8
      4 June 2024 06: 52
      The thought is depressing but with some truth. Or you can finally understand that raising children in the right paradigm is too responsible an activity to be entrusted only to parents, and finally begin to invest in education, both preschool and school. A woman must understand that, say, starting from 1,5 years old, a child is GUARANTEED a kindergarten (nursery) within walking distance from her place of residence, and after-school care is guaranteed at school. The kindergarten takes on the function of fully preparing the child for school (and not, as it is now, just supervision). The school must take on the full load of additional areas of education for the child (clubs, sections) at a reasonable price, for basic medical services (vaccinations, examinations). All this happened in the Soviet Union.
      And then, realizing that her child is guaranteed to be placed from 1,5 years old, from 8 am to 19 pm, the woman will give birth.
      1. +4
        4 June 2024 07: 04
        Understanding that her child is guaranteed to be placed from 1,5 years old, from 8 am to 19 pm, the woman will give birth.

        will not be...
        modern man (Western and Russian) puts comfort and pleasure at the center of existence... that’s the whole explanation!
        1. +7
          4 June 2024 07: 08
          Well, this is how we need to raise generations who do not put comfort and pleasure at the center of their existence.
          1. +4
            4 June 2024 07: 11
            Well, this is how we need to raise generations who do not put comfort and pleasure at the center of their existence.

            necessary, but for this we ourselves need to become like that!
          2. +3
            4 June 2024 10: 04
            What's wrong with comfort and pleasure?
            1. 0
              5 June 2024 20: 24
              Apologists for condemning those who “live for themselves” usually want everyone around them to live exclusively for them and serve their interests :)
        2. +1
          4 June 2024 20: 44
          Quote: Vladimir80
          will not be...
          modern man (Western and Russian) puts comfort and pleasure at the center of existence... that’s the whole explanation!

          But, oddly enough, rich people often (though not always) have many children. For example, Elon Musk has either ten or eleven of them. From three different women.

          In general, according to statistics, billionaires in the United States have an average of 2,3 children. That is, although not so much, it is more than the national average. And above the reproduction level.

          Moral: nowadays, to afford many children, you need to be really rich. And not just “middle class”.
          1. 0
            8 June 2024 13: 44
            Von der Leinen actually has seven children, which relates to the question that “children interfere with one’s career”
    3. +1
      4 June 2024 12: 34
      We need to look deeper; we cannot serve both God and mammon at the same time. Therefore, it is a house, not a loan. Everything is visible.
    4. 0
      4 June 2024 20: 31
      Quote from Gpn27
      In this case, women will be able to realize themselves only in the family, but I categorically do not want such a fate for my daughter. So for now, migration is everything.

      Your daughter may still make it through, but your granddaughter will probably have to wear a niqab. Or even a burqa. Migration is your everything.
      1. +3
        4 June 2024 20: 36
        If you have suggestions, express them. So far, no government in developed countries has come up with anything better. If you don’t want Muslims to organize migration from Africa, there will be blacks, or from Asia. It is impossible to force women to give birth through persuasion or material benefits. There will always be something that is missing, and if you give it, they will definitely give birth. Government aid is a road to nowhere.
        1. +1
          4 June 2024 20: 57
          Quote from Gpn27
          So far, no government in developed countries has come up with anything better.

          Apparently, the “development” parameter itself is erroneous.

          Quote from Gpn27
          If you don’t want Muslims to organize migration from Africa, there will be blacks, or from Asia.

          No, thanks.

          Quote from Gpn27
          It is impossible to force women to give birth through persuasion or material benefits.

          Below I gave an example with Elon Musk. Three women bore him 11 children. How he forced them - I can’t imagine. Maybe he put him on a chain?

          Quote from Gpn27
          If you have suggestions, express them.

          It is necessary, in principle, to change public priorities.
          1. +1
            5 June 2024 06: 14
            We need to change priorities - this is a common phrase. Change it. Musk gave birth to 11 children, but the US birth rate is 1,7. How is it that Musk gave birth to 11 children, but the rest of the Americans don’t want to. By the way, the women gave birth to 10 children to State Duma deputy A. Skoch. Does this mean that Russia has no problems with demographics?
            1. +1
              5 June 2024 10: 13
              Quote from Gpn27
              We need to change priorities - this is a common phrase. Change it.

              Apparently after the revolution.

              Quote from Gpn27
              Does this mean that Russia has no problems with demographics?

              You have some problems with logic here.
              1. +1
                5 June 2024 12: 54
                Use Musk as an example and tell him that I have problems with logic. You seem to have problems not only with logic, but also with the perception of the world. The revolution is made by romantics, and scoundrels enjoy its fruits. You are apparently for the latter.
                1. +1
                  5 June 2024 13: 01
                  Quote from Gpn27
                  Use Musk as an example and tell him that I have problems with logic.

                  You said that no material incentive can force a woman to give birth. I asked you: how does Musk do it?

                  You didn’t answer me, but turned the conversation to the birth rate.

                  Think a little. If the rich succeed in “making a woman give birth,” but the rest cannot, then what is the reason? Maybe it's not about money, but about its quantity?
                  1. 0
                    5 June 2024 14: 19
                    Billionaire Nicola Puech (net worth equal to 1,5 trillion rubles) is childless, Angela Merkle is childless, Macron is childless - do you think they all didn’t have enough money? If you are personally ready to pay for the needs of women who have no limit, please, but in Kenya there are 7 children in a family with an income of 100 dollars a year. They give birth and do not buzz. More likely, women will begin to give birth when they realize that people like you have disappeared and knock out extras. good thing will not work.
                    1. 0
                      5 June 2024 15: 47
                      Quote from Gpn27
                      Billionaire Nicola Puech (net worth equal to 1,5 trillion rubles) is childless, Angela Merkle is childless, Macron is childless - do you think they all didn’t have enough money?

                      Again, apparently, you don’t understand what I mean. And here’s what I’m talking about - if a man wants children and he has the money for it, he will find an opportunity to “force a woman to give birth.”

                      Quote from Gpn27
                      Here in Kenya there are 7 children in a family with an income of 100 dollars a year. They give birth and do not buzz. More likely, women will begin to give birth when they realize that people like you have disappeared and knock out extras. good thing will not work.

                      Nonsense. It’s just that in conditional Kenya or conditional Afghanistan, women have no choice. She cannot refuse her husband unprotected sex, there is no opportunity to have an abortion, where should she go? She will give birth like a cat.
                      1. 0
                        5 June 2024 17: 56
                        Well, we have come to a common denominator. No rich man in a modern legal society will force a woman to give birth. This is only possible in undeveloped societies. If we approach it differently, then some man can also force your daughter simply because he has more money and take your wife away from you too. Offering benefits to a woman for children is wrong, because... there will never be enough of them and there will always be something missing. A woman can give birth to a specific man, even without money, if he has certain innate qualities, but such men are a tiny fraction of a percent. Well, I wish you to move from Russian society to somewhere where a man with money can force women and, by the way, according to your logic, men to do something.
                      2. 0
                        5 June 2024 18: 06
                        Quote from Gpn27
                        Well, we have come to a common denominator. No rich man in a modern legal society will force a woman to give birth.

                        He cannot force it, but he can stimulate it financially, as we see in the example of Musk.

                        Quote from Gpn27
                        Offering benefits to a woman for children is wrong, because... there will never be enough of them and there will always be something missing.

                        Vice versa. This is the only way so far to ensure an increase in high-quality fertility - to create such material conditions for a woman that she can give birth and raise children, either without working at all, or working minimally - not to obtain a means of subsistence, but rather for socialization.

                        Quote from Gpn27
                        Well, I wish you to move from Russian society to somewhere where a man with money can force women and, by the way, according to your logic, men to do something.

                        Well, I don’t wish you anything. I have already given my forecast of what awaits us.
                    2. 0
                      5 June 2024 20: 28
                      You have seen the medical tests of Merkel, Macron and Puech. Does it ever occur to you that, according to medical indications, they may be childless? There are infertile people in the world. And there are quite a lot of them. You apparently don't know.
                      1. 0
                        6 June 2024 10: 55
                        Have you seen Musk’s medical tests, maybe all the children are not his.
                    3. 0
                      8 June 2024 13: 46
                      Quote from Gpn27
                      Billionaire Nicola Puech (net worth equal to 1,5 trillion rubles) childless, Angela Merkle childless, Macron childless

                      The designer and gunsmith Degtyarev and his wife Vera (the only one) had 13 children. How many of its samples are in service - they know well here
    5. 0
      5 June 2024 20: 16
      Capitalist methods will never solve the problem of declining birth rates. Practice shows this absolutely accurately.
      1. 0
        6 June 2024 10: 57
        Well, tell us about the successes in increasing the birth rate in Cuba or North Korea. By the way, in Kenya or India, capitalism and the birth rate problem have been successfully solved.
        1. 0
          6 June 2024 14: 45
          In China there were even bans on having more than 1 child. In Cuba, I have not heard that there are problems with demographics. The problem there is that the United States has been preventing them from living for 70 years. How long has there been a demographic crisis in North Korea? India and Kenya are de facto semi-feudal societies. Both India and Kenya are full of uneducated people living almost in boxes. Your examples are one more beautiful than the other.
          1. 0
            6 June 2024 16: 14
            You have no examples at all. Only an unfounded opinion about the society of India and Kenya as semi-feudal, as well as laziness to check the birth rate index in North Korea - yes, there is a crisis there. By the way, the USA is also preventing us from living, so maybe we should destroy the USA, and not give money and apartments
  9. +17
    4 June 2024 06: 22
    There will be no light, I’ve been fighting for something all my life, but in fact I have nothing. And it seems like you have an education and a job in a government office in engineering, but in fact it’s 35 thousand rubles a month. And now I’m making ends meet, I tried to do business, but they didn’t let me, there are a lot of inspections, taxes, and let’s all strangle everything together, give it to them, pay them, I don’t want to develop. Housing is a separate pain, the cheapest one-room apartment costs 4 million, in an ecologically dirty city in Siberia, at resort prices, and with a mortgage for 15-30 years, and I only need to pay 69 thousand a month, easily and naturally. My parents already had 4 children at my age, but I don’t have a single one, I don’t even have a family, and in the 90s, due to the number of children, my parents couldn’t afford me a good start, and I had to rise out of poverty without connections or money. And now, turning my head back 25 years, I understand that a lot of effort was spent, but I remained in place. Well, I don’t know how to steal or deceive, my parents taught me to be honest, so I didn’t have such a path, no social stairs, elevators, or ropes in my life, chances that I wouldn’t grab either, I just didn’t have the chances themselves . In fact, drink, look at photographs of your family and hang yourself, but that’s also not our way, we’ll still flounder, and there won’t be a hundred people like me across the country. That's how they say be fruitful and multiply.......
    1. +3
      4 June 2024 06: 29
      Go to Tinkoff yourself for the fifth year, I’ve been working there, everything is fine, but the fact that all the banks are criticizing so much is absolutely usury, but why let everything go to chance))) or let the microfinance organizations take 300% per annum from the people)?
    2. +7
      4 June 2024 06: 37
      I can give you some advice.
      Go get an education as a carousel operator. Then you move to central Russia, Tula or Samara, and get a job at a defense company. You get paid by working honestly. Find a girl, start a family and everything is fine.
    3. +6
      4 June 2024 07: 07
      in fact, 35 thousand rubles per month. And now I'm making ends meet

      come to Moscow, here most migrants already have two children, they live happily ever after! You won’t find anyone to work for 35 a week!
    4. -5
      4 June 2024 07: 11
      mortgage for 15-30 years, and I only need to pay 69 thousand per month, easy and relaxed cut the sturgeon.
      Or do you have Moscow housing prices there?
  10. -8
    4 June 2024 06: 24
    : everything is like in Tsarist Russia.

    We are talking about demography: let me remind the author that in just 23 years of Nikolai Alexandrovich’s reign, the population of Russia increased by one and a half times -on 60 million people, something that the “national USSR, where “life has become better, more fun,” could not even dream of.

    And in the same USSR in the 20s, when there was much less housing and income than in the 80s, they gave birth much more than in the 80s
    1. +1
      6 June 2024 14: 49
      Under Tsar Nicholas, the average life expectancy was 34 years. There would hardly be 10% of defective people. A backward country that lost to little Japan in a “special operation.” Live under Nikolai yourself, separately, somewhere away from the Russians. The Russians fell asleep normally about the Tsars. We don't want any more.
  11. +10
    4 June 2024 06: 31
    When the people have confidence in the future, then we can talk, and all the fairy tales from Uncle Vova will bring here chebureks from Asia, they put it on the people of Russia, everything is fine with them, everything is over the hill and the money was made there
  12. +8
    4 June 2024 06: 31
    But this measure should not apply to ethnic families of citizens from Central Asia

    To do this, you need to add the “nationality” column to the citizen’s passport and birth certificate and finally decide on the list of indigenous peoples of Russia.
    1. +6
      4 June 2024 07: 10
      finally decide on the list of indigenous peoples of Russia

      I feel that the Tajik and Uzbek brothers will be on this list - here in “Moscow” there will be a week of national cultures, and all the “indigenous” will be there!
      1. +1
        6 June 2024 14: 55
        In the State Duma, poorly educated, tongue-tied representatives of the EdR are in full swing for multiculturalism with their “compatriots” the Tajiks and Kyrgyz. Russians must obey the beautiful ancient Asian customs and adapt to their culture and behavior. We must also serve the interests of national diasporas. Putin likes Khusnulin's work. He’s great - he imports millions of super specialists who don’t speak Russian, along with their families, to pay them mat capital and build national ghettos in Russian cities. Continue to vote for EdRo and VVP and your grandchildren will wear a turban, a beard and Asian names. This is exactly what you all dream about :)
    2. +4
      4 June 2024 07: 17
      finally decide on the list of indigenous peoples of Russia.
      boo-ha-ha... Try to think - at least for 10 seconds...
      Since the 1970s, we have Kurds living in the Saratov Trans-Volga region. Gypsies against their background - by God, Swedes or Germans!!. The Kurds do not have their own national state (like the Roma).
      Therefore, both Kurds and gypsies SUDDENLY turn out to be “indigenous peoples of Russia”.
      That is why there are no and never will be any “lists of indigenous peoples” - it would be too cool
      1. 0
        4 June 2024 20: 48
        Quote: your1970
        Therefore, both Kurds and Gypsies will SUDDENLY find themselves “indigenous peoples of Russia.”

        Nonsense. Only those whose historical homeland is located on the territory of the Russian Federation can be considered indigenous peoples. If I can still assume the gypsies (one can assume the existence of the people “Russian gypsies”), then the Kurds have a historical homeland that is clearly not here.
        1. 0
          4 June 2024 21: 50
          Only those whose historical homeland is located on the territory of the Russian Federation can be considered indigenous peoples then - suddenly - NOT Ukrainians/Moldavians/Belarusians will turn out to be indigenous, and Chukchi will be indigenous..
          And the most important thing is that you won’t be able to point your finger at the card and documented confirm that “Here is the historical homeland of the Russians”
          1. 0
            4 June 2024 22: 10
            Quote: your1970
            then - suddenly - Ukrainians/Moldavians/Belarusians will not be indigenous to you
            So what?

            Quote: your1970
            and the indigenous ones are the Chukchi..
            So what?

            Quote: your1970
            And the most important thing is that you cannot point your finger at a map and document that “Here is the historical homeland of the Russians.”

            I will free Russians from the need to prove something to anyone.
            1. 0
              4 June 2024 22: 59
              I will free Russians from the need to prove something to anyone. How will you confirm your degree of Russianness?
              By full name? According to the documents? Purely according to “The muzzle is not, not Russian!”?
              For example, will I have great-grandparents Ukrainians - to be considered Russian?
              1. 0
                4 June 2024 23: 04
                Quote: your1970
                How will you confirm your degree of Russianness?
                By full name? According to the documents?

                As in Soviet times, according to a birth certificate, where the nationality of the parents is indicated.

                Quote: your1970
                Will I, for example, having Ukrainian great-grandfather and great-grandmother, be considered Russian?

                If the rest of the great-grandparents are Russian, then of course.
                1. +1
                  4 June 2024 23: 33
                  As in Soviet times, according to a birth certificate, where the nationality of the parents is indicated.- Well, that’s clear. You don’t have to ask further. There have never been documents with reliable data on the national composition, there were approximate figures, nothing more.
                  Nationality was often written on the basis of a statement, where any nationality could be written (except for Jews for obvious reasons).
                  What nationality would they write down for a person whose father is Turkmen and whose mother is Russian? That’s right, the one he wanted. Out of his head or out of the blue...

                  If the rest of the great-grandparents are Russian, then of course.-And if not?

                  I’ll tell you a secret - everything south and east of Ryazan - there are no purebred Russians here and never have been.
                  1. 0
                    4 June 2024 23: 37
                    Quote: your1970
                    What nationality would be recorded for a person whose father is Turkmen and whose mother is Russian?

                    He himself would choose - either Turkmen or Russian. Did you even live in the USSR?

                    Quote: your1970
                    I’ll tell you a secret - everything south and east of Ryazan - there are no purebred Russians here and never have been.

                    No one except you proposed to determine purebredness. I don't even know why you need this.
                    1. 0
                      4 June 2024 23: 42
                      No one except you proposed to determine purebredness. I don't even know why you need this.
                      not for me - for you. You were eager to define the indigenous peoples of the Russian Federation -
                      Only those whose historical homeland is located on the territory of the Russian Federation can be considered indigenous peoples.(c) Yours personally
                      1. +1
                        4 June 2024 23: 48
                        Quote: your1970
                        not for me - for you. You were eager to define the indigenous peoples of the Russian Federation -

                        It's not that I was eager. I simply cited a long-known criterion.

                        Are you even able to follow the logic of the discussion? We were talking about peoples, and for some reason you stubbornly try to jump to someone’s personal nationality, and even drag in purebredness that comes from nowhere.
                      2. 0
                        5 June 2024 07: 14
                        We were talking about peoples, from which you wanted to make a list of indigenous ones.
                        But suddenly from this list fell out Ukrainians/Moldavians/Belarusians have been quite numerous on the territory of Russia for quite a long time.
                        But at the same time you would have gypsies on the list
                        If I can still admit the gypsies (one can assume the existence of the people “Russian gypsies”),
                        What, given these circumstances, is the purpose of such a list of indigenous peoples?
                        And yes - you practically denied me the right to be considered Russian
                        If the rest of the great-grandparents are Russian, then of course.
                        And the son of a Turkmen was given the right to be considered Russian if he simply wrote in the application that he was Russian.
                        What nationality would be recorded for a person whose father is Turkmen and whose mother is Russian?
                        He himself would choose - either Turkmen or Russian.

                        Don’t you think that this is discrimination against me - the requirement to have Russian great-grandfathers and great-grandmothers on both sides??
                      3. 0
                        5 June 2024 10: 21
                        Quote: your1970
                        What, given these circumstances, is the purpose of such a list of indigenous peoples?

                        In my understanding, there is only one. Representatives of the indigenous peoples of Russia living abroad have an unconditional right to repatriation. The rest can come here to live only if we consider that they are useful to us.

                        Quote: your1970
                        And yes - you practically denied me the right to be considered Russian

                        You are lying, according to the Chaldean habit.

                        Quote: your1970
                        And the son of a Turkmen was given the right to be considered Russian if he simply wrote in the application that he was Russian.

                        Yes, I grant this right to the son of a Russian woman.

                        Quote: your1970
                        Don’t you think that this is discrimination against me - the requirement to have Russian great-grandfathers and great-grandmothers on both sides??

                        I did not put forward such a demand, nor is it discrimination. Give up this Chaldean habit of distorting already. You are not in a pub.
  13. Owl
    +12
    4 June 2024 06: 47
    No affordable housing - no family, no children; lack of funds for living (clothing, food, rest) - no children; there is no confidence in a stable “tomorrow” (inflation, import of migrants, destruction of education and industry) - there is no desire to start a family and have children. Until the “authorities” turn to the original ethnic group of Russia (Russians, Tatars and other nationalities) and raise the standard of living (not for themselves, but for the People), the extinction will continue and intensify.
    1. +4
      4 June 2024 07: 12
      Until the “power” turns to the original ethnic group of Russia

      won't turn around...
      but do we deserve better power? washes ourselves we need to stop “abusing, using foul language, fornicating, etc.” ?
    2. 0
      4 June 2024 07: 21
      No affordable housing - no family, no children; lack of funds for living (clothing, food, rest) - no children; The father-in-law's family of 11 children, father, mother and grandmother lived at 69 meters.
      They ate quinoa after the war during the famine.
      The clothes flowed smoothly from one to the other.
      Rest? They’ll drive you out into the field to plow on a tractor - where there wasn’t even a cabin, yeah...
      There is physically no rest in a family with more than 5 children.
      1. +3
        4 June 2024 07: 53
        Quote: your1970
        the father-in-law's family of 11 children, father, mother and grandmother lived at 69 meters

        You are a rural way of life, where more children means life is easier, do not confuse it with the city... in the city more children mean life is harder..
        1. +6
          4 June 2024 09: 28
          And it’s not like that in the village now either, to be honest. hi
          1. +3
            4 June 2024 11: 58
            In the village (stanitsa), now it’s far from what many urban people think, it’s even worse, there’s no work at all... Young people are leaving, in the fields that remain, there are gasters... For a salary of 2400 per shift, you can’t get a mortgage.. hi
            1. +4
              4 June 2024 11: 59
              So I’m saying that now there are more children in the village - it’s harder to live...
              1. +1
                4 June 2024 22: 45
                Quote from AdAstra
                So I’m saying that now there are more children in the village - it’s harder to live...

                It’s more difficult with children, but in the village children still bring some benefit. In the city, children are a net loss.
        2. +4
          4 June 2024 13: 54
          You are a rural way of life, where more children means life is easier, do not confuse it with the city... in the city more children mean life is harder.. this is the heavier it was in the USSR in town?
          Because people in the village could only eat meat in winter (lack of refrigerators?)?
          The fact that plowing on a tractor without a cab and dust in a mug in the heat of +40?
          Because electricity was installed in 1969?
          Those that burned with coal until 1999?
          Because in winter, women giving birth were taken to the regional center to the maternity hospital 70 km away in a kung on Kirovets (a man could give birth there if he was unusual)?
          The fact that rubber boots are worn for six months because there is no asphalt?
          Because in winter the road is covered and you sit?
          Because there’s a movie once a week and that’s all entertainment?

          People fled to the cities - according to your logic - apparently from an easy and carefree life....
          1. +2
            4 June 2024 17: 28
            Quote: your1970
            People fled to the cities - according to your logic - apparently from an easy and carefree life....

            What’s the point of everything you’ve written that’s a little unclear to me? I didn’t write about an easy life in the village or in the city... read it carefully
            Quote: your1970
            You are a rural way of life, where more children means life is easier, do not confuse it with the city... in the city more children mean life is harder..

            where is the word easy life in the village? it's written here easier- this has a different meaning
            1. 0
              4 June 2024 21: 29
              it’s written easier here, it has a different meaning and than easier life in a village with 5-10 children?
              1. +1
                4 June 2024 22: 41
                Quote: your1970
                How is life easier in a village if you have 5-10 children?

                than when there are 1-2 of them? It’s very simple - parents have 10-20 additional workers on the farm, not 2-4..
                1. 0
                  4 June 2024 22: 47
                  And then what harder life in the city - subject to availability more working hands from parents?
                  1. +1
                    5 June 2024 06: 53
                    Quote: your1970
                    And why is life in the city more difficult, given that parents have additional workers?

                    the fact that children in the city, unlike the village, do not have a family farm where these hands can be effectively used for the benefit of the family... and factories and factories do not particularly hire teenagers... and in agriculture, there is work for any age ..or is it possible to have, for example, the same cattle - in the city center?
                    1. 0
                      5 June 2024 07: 31
                      the fact that children in the city, unlike the village, do not have a family farm where they can effectively use these hands for the benefit of the family.. - oh yes, faith in farming makes life easier!!!! lol lol lol lol
                      A ton of grain costs 10, which is 000 pig for a year. A pig costs 1-1
                      To hand over this pig, they will give you 11-12-13.
                      Can you imagine the scope of profits? 0, grand zero... 1 profit for YEAR work.
                      When held all around the pigs...
                      To keep 10 pieces, you need a sales market ready to take a lot at once and this immediately means a drop in price.

                      and factories don’t particularly hire teenagers... waiters, cleaners, couriers, Valberis and so on. 1 a day can be earned in different ways...
                      And yes, the men working on shifts in black/gray are quietly laughing, “They won’t take it,” yeah, yeah...

                      You still haven’t understood why people run away from the countryside to the cities.
                      1. 0
                        5 June 2024 07: 38
                        oh, so you’re talking about modernity? Well then, I basically agree with you, but at the same time, there are still shares where you can grow the same onions, carrots, for example (as Koreans I know do every year), etc.. BUT the main thing is that I was talking mainly about past times. . because You talked about them, speaking about your father-in-law... in modern times we have Moscow hyperfarms everywhere...
                      2. 0
                        5 June 2024 13: 10
                        BUT the main thing is that I spoke mainly about past times... because... You talked about them when talking about your father-in-law. even more fun. And what was it like in the city? heavier with a bunch of kids?
                        Because those with many children were given huts without a queue, and even adjacent ones?
                        Buy something? Yes, here it is, please, stand in line with two or three children and you will buy everything.
                        Urban factory salaries were noticeably higher than rural ones and more stable
                        Kindergarten? Clubs? Schools? Yes, please, there were in the city.
      2. Owl
        +10
        4 June 2024 07: 58
        Dear, we are the same age, I didn’t eat quinoa and didn’t go hungry, you probably didn’t go hungry either, the lack of oranges and bananas was compensated for with apples, sausage was brought and it was on the holiday table, during the school “collective farm” I collected both potatoes and carrots, and cabbage, and sometimes knitted flax. The standard of living in the USSR grew until the end of the 80s. My comment relates to the current state of affairs. The people, the population of Russia, are dying out and without the participation of the state - this will only intensify.
        1. 0
          4 June 2024 14: 17
          My comment relates to the current state of affairs. The people, the population of Russia, are dying out and without the participation of the state - this will only intensify. you yourself gave examples and I gave examples - what happened when worse than now - there were more children.
          Along with the increase in living standards in the USSR, the number of children in the RSFSR decreased.
          And so it is all over the world. And everywhere in relatively successful countries the birth rate falls and rises only where life is bad and difficult.
          As soon as the question of “rest” arises, give up, such a family will never give birth to 5 children. Because "rest" is for YOURSELF LOVED, and children interfere with this process, they have snot/diarrhea/kindergarten/exams/etc.
  14. +8
    4 June 2024 06: 50
    With housing, everything is much simpler.
    The state may oblige everyone who bought investment housing, within 3 years after delivery or from the moment the decision is made (whichever comes first), to make repairs and rent out the housing or sell it.
    Anyone who does not listen will have their apartments taken away into a mobile fund managed by the state.
    The housing issue was immediately resolved. It is not necessary to own it; for many people it is enough to rent it on a long-term basis.

    As for maternity capital, it is not needed.
    But what is needed is a well-paid job for the head of the family and a state program for continuous training and skills development (engineers, economists, public administration).
    The state needs to create its own full-cycle microelectronics production system. It is enough to produce 100% Russian power semiconductor products (diodes, igbt, igct transistors, etc.), processors for CNC machines, etc. Everything for our own light and heavy engineering must be produced 100% in Russia.
    There is a need for a normal school and preschool education accessible to Russians and indigenous peoples.
    Migrants only slow down development. Instead of migrants, it is more effective to use competent administration, mechanization and automation with the help of equipment 100% produced in Russia by Russian hands
    1. +3
      4 June 2024 08: 04
      Quote: Sergey_Bely
      The state may oblige everyone who bought investment housing, within 3 years after delivery or from the moment the decision is made (whichever comes first), to make repairs and rent out the housing or sell it. Anyone who does not listen will have their apartments taken away into a mobile fund managed by the state.

      understandable.. again to resolve the issue at the expense of fellow citizens, and not the state.. ok.. they will simply re-register the housing for family and relatives.. or fictitiously rent it out.. or stop buying them altogether.. and your idea is immediately blown away.. or you think -they will buy, and the state will take and transfer - and so on in a circle for years? I agree about the rest, but it’s a pity that this is just a slogan.. who will do it and how is absolutely unclear..
      1. 0
        4 June 2024 16: 26
        After the adoption of such a bill, the bulk of “investors” will leave this business. It is better to close positions with damage than to lose all your invested money.
        And show me an ordinary citizen who owns more than 2 apartments!

        Prices on the housing market are artificially high.
        Developers and banks benefit by lending them money at interest.
        And the average family in Russia has been paying the mortgage for the apartment in which they live for 25 years.

        But thieves and corrupt officials like Zakharchenko and Ivanov each have several real estate properties. I won't feel sorry for them.
  15. +3
    4 June 2024 06: 53
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    What the hell are the changes...

    The Economist, citing its sources in the Central Bank, wrote that the personal security of the head of the Bank of Russia, Elvira Nabiullina, was strengthened after the key rate was raised to 20% at the end of February 2022.
    Well, for starters, according to Frank RG, a little more than 20 thousand clients of Russian banks have a personal capital of 100 million rubles. In 2022, their assets grew by more than 5 trillion rubles.
    What does it say?
    That in Russia there are over 20 thousand dollar millionaires who keep their millions in bank accounts.

    A small group of super-rich people in Russia received extra income, concentrated the lion's share of Russia's wealth in their hands... now they have changes... such a class contradiction in no way contributes to solving problems with demography.
    Alas... alas, the country is rushing in the second circle towards 1917.

    One not modest question: who is to blame for this???
    1. +3
      4 June 2024 07: 05
      Let's say that someone is to blame, and then what?

      It is known that the British, German-Germans, ... are responsible for the History of England.
      Who is responsible for Russia? Jews?
      You would first answer this question before looking for someone to blame for unknown reasons.....
      1. +3
        4 June 2024 07: 24
        It is known that the British, German-Germans, ... are responsible for the History of England.
        Who is responsible for Russia? Jews?

        Well, these are recent, from 1917. laughing And before that, yes, the Germans, the British, a little bit of the Mongols, and the Scandinavians, of course. Yes
        1. +4
          4 June 2024 09: 32
          But what about the Polovtsians and the Pechenegs, and do you also remember that the Khazars, not to mention the Mongol-Tatars, also showed up there? hi
          1. +2
            4 June 2024 09: 47
            . But what about the Polovtsians and the Pechenegs, and do you also remember that the Khazars, not to mention the Mongol-Tatars, also showed up there? hi

            Well, these guys weren’t at the helm. On the contrary, they prevented the Varangians from going to the Greeks. wink
      2. +8
        4 June 2024 08: 43
        Well, actually, according to new Russian history, the communists are to blame for everything. personally Lenin, Stalin, Brezhnev. But after 1965, holy people came to power in the country, they are no longer guilty of anything. especially in the last 24 years, propaganda constantly hammers home the blame.
        What an interesting distribution, they at the top ensure a good life for themselves with laws, and we are to blame...
        1. 0
          4 June 2024 14: 54
          here after 1965 year, holy people came to power in the country, they are no longer guilty of anything.

          No, it’s so cool - 16 million saints lol people per All management positions from the pre-collective farm and above. And they are not to blame for anything, although were listed communists and members of the CPSU. Then they screwed up the USSR and again, due to their holiness, are not guilty of anything.
          1. 0
            4 June 2024 15: 19
            Sorry. I meant the year Misha arrived 1985
            1. +2
              4 June 2024 16: 10
              Sorry. I meant the year Misha arrived 1985 but do you agree with the thesis that 16 million party members pooped the USSR? Because even in 1991, the party was responsible for the state?
              1. +1
                4 June 2024 16: 58
                It's good that now no one is responsible for anything
                1. 0
                  5 June 2024 07: 42
                  It's good that now no one is responsible for anything There are about the same number of people who are not responsible for anything now as there were then. So many...
  16. +11
    4 June 2024 06: 59
    “Nothing happens by chance in politics. If something happened, it was planned that way.”

    The greatest reduction is in the titular nation – Russians.
    .
    If the Kremlin does nothing to correct the situation or the measures are of a formal nature, then, probably, everything is going according to plan...
    1. +8
      4 June 2024 07: 16
      If the Kremlin does nothing to correct the situation or the measures are of a formal nature, then, probably, everything is going according to plan...

      future news, 2030, "Great Khan Walid Walid was the first to be proclaimed the new ruler of the Central Eurasian Caliphate"
  17. +4
    4 June 2024 07: 14
    When we were offered Perestroika in 1985, and reforms in 1991, our Western “partners” did not want us to prosper.

    The West did not offer us perestroika. Gorbach suggested it. angry
    1. +3
      4 June 2024 08: 45
      The West proposed to Gorbachev, who voiced it as a protege of the West
  18. +9
    4 June 2024 07: 16
    According to CIAN data for 2022 for large cities, maternity capital is enough to buy 7,5 square meters. m of housing. In Moscow, the subsidy is enough to purchase 2,3 square meters. m, the maximum area can be purchased in Chelyabinsk - 16,8 sq. m.

    300 yards that floated away in the West are 30 (THIRTY CARL!) cities with a population of one million.
    1. +5
      4 June 2024 07: 27
      300 yards that floated away in the West are 30 (THIRTY CARL!) cities with a million population

      Of course not
      these are low pensions, low benefits, low living standards... i.e. By not spending this money, but “saving”, giving it to enemy banks, the state contributed to the low standard of living within the country, i.e. supported the trend "prosperous US metropolis and poor colony ******"
      1. +2
        4 June 2024 07: 31
        Of course not
        these are low pensions, low benefits, low living standards... i.e. By not spending this money, but “saving”, giving it to enemy banks, the state contributed to the low standard of living within the country, i.e. supported the trend "prosperous US metropolis and poor colony ******"

        No one bothered to build 3-4 million-plus cities in the Far East, with the condition of issuing apartments on social rent for families of 4 children and above. And the wolves are fed and the hares are safe. This would be a smart investment. Yes
        1. +7
          4 June 2024 07: 34
          No one stopped me from building

          The managers we put in charge have completely different instructions from the owners
          1. +3
            4 June 2024 08: 19
            The managers we put in charge have completely different instructions from the owners

            It goes without saying. Yes
        2. -1
          4 June 2024 14: 57
          No one bothered to build 3-4 million-plus cities in the Far East, with the condition of issuing apartments on social rent for families of 4 children and above. yeah... And while they were building, the children were living in tents....
          Or do you propose, like in China, to build a city and then bring the population there?
          Will he want to go there with his children?
          1. 0
            4 June 2024 15: 28
            No one bothered to build 3-4 million-plus cities in the Far East, with the condition of issuing apartments on social rent for families of 4 children and above. yeah... And while they were building, the children were living in tents....
            Or do you propose, like in China, to build a city and then bring the population there?
            Will he want to go there with his children?

            Well, of course, build it first. Ussuriysk can easily be increased to a million, the Amur region has a good climate, Sakhalin is the same. The plan is to calmly build neighborhoods and provide apartments. Social rent for 20 years, then ownership. There will be plenty of people willing. At the same time we will populate the Far East.

            Housing is the main problem of a large family. Yes
            1. +1
              4 June 2024 16: 07
              Housing is the main problem of a large family. yes
              One of problems - but not the main one.
              Work is much more important.

              Sakhalin- very much for an amateur. Tsarism made hard labor out of him for a reason

              There will be plenty of people willing. very unlikely. Otherwise they wouldn't have left there
              1. 0
                4 June 2024 16: 58
                Housing is the main problem of a large family. yes
                One of the problems - but not the main one.
                Work is much more important.

                Sakhalin is very much an acquired taste. Tsarism made hard labor out of him for a reason

                There will be plenty of people willing. very unlikely. Otherwise they wouldn't have left there

                Work - depending on the salary. Now you need 200 or more to pay off a mortgage and feed 4 children. And then there are the walls. I personally stopped at 2 ONLY because of the housing.

                Sakhalin and the Far East are at the initial stage. Until those who are especially thirsty run out and so that the Far East can be populated. Nobody is stopping you from building million-plus cities in the Krasnodar Territory. The same Anapa - quite.

                But in general this is talk about nothing. The United States has other plans for these 300 billion, and even if we suddenly had it now, no one would build anything.

                In the entire history of Russia, one was found. Khrushchev Nikita Sergeevich. Apparently, he paid for it. wink
                1. 0
                  4 June 2024 23: 32
                  Quote: Arzt
                  In the entire history of Russia, one was found. Khrushchev Nikita Sergeevich. Apparently, he paid for it.

                  And for some reason no one cried when he was shot.
                  1. 0
                    5 June 2024 06: 57
                    And for some reason no one cried when he was shot.

                    It seems he died a natural death. winked
                    1. 0
                      5 June 2024 10: 24
                      Quote: Arzt
                      It seems he died a natural death.

                      And you wrote - I paid.
                      1. -1
                        5 June 2024 12: 24
                        . And you wrote - I paid.

                        I mean they were removed from their positions. So what did you think of, spend the people’s money on the people, and not on the world revolution! angry
                      2. +2
                        5 June 2024 12: 46
                        Quote: Arzt
                        I mean they were removed from their positions.

                        In America, presidents are removed from office every four years, and nothing happens.

                        Quote: Arzt
                        So what did you think of, spend the people’s money on the people, and not on the world revolution!

                        Well, that's nonsense. Under Khrushchev, the uprising in Hungary (provoked by his “wise” exposure of Stalinism) had to be suppressed. Khrushchev orchestrated the Berlin and Caribbean crises, which almost led to a nuclear war (which we would have lost). Khrushchev poured resources into the “liberation struggle” of Africa and Middle Eastern “allies” like Egypt. Khrushchev alienated China from us, which later cost us dearly.

                        It was under Khrushchev that large-scale oil exports began “in exchange for consumer goods.” Hello, “oil needle”, which we still can’t get off.
                      3. -1
                        5 June 2024 13: 22
                        Well, that's nonsense. Under Khrushchev, the uprising in Hungary (provoked by his “wise” exposure of Stalinism) had to be suppressed. Khrushchev orchestrated the Berlin and Caribbean crises, which almost led to a nuclear war (which we would have lost). Khrushchev poured resources into the “liberation struggle” of Africa and Middle Eastern “allies” like Egypt. Khrushchev alienated China from us, which later cost us dearly.

                        It was under Khrushchev that large-scale oil exports began “in exchange for consumer goods.” Hello, “oil needle”, which we still can’t get off.

                        Go global again. There is no need to think in terms of general secretaries, be closer to the people.

                        Transition to a 7-hour working day. Tax reduction. Elimination of differentiated wages and the withering away of Stalin's "Koreiko". Pensions for collective farmers. Bread for free sale. Etc. and so on.
                        Do you know why Novochek and so on happened? Commodity shortage. The goods did not keep up with the salary. That's why it's imported.

                        Main. Housing for every family by 1980. 1200 house-building factories.
                        He managed to resettle a QUARTER of the country's population from Zonov's barracks. Without a doubt I would have resettled the rest as well. Yes

                        At the same time, space and so on.
                      4. +1
                        5 June 2024 13: 47
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Transition to a 7-hour working day. Tax reduction. Elimination of differentiated wages and the withering away of Stalin's "Koreiko". Pensions for collective farmers. Bread for free sale. Etc. and so on.

                        But the most important feature of our village was the railway workers' cooperative. It was organized back in the 80s of the last century.
                        Many of the railway workers who lived in the village had cows and other livestock. This was the basis of the cooperative. He rented mowing fields from the volost and had a store. That’s what it was called – the railway shop. The cooperative sold not only milk, but also the freshest sour cream and cottage cheese, which were produced by the wives of workers and office workers. He also sold meat and vegetables grown by members of the cooperative. All these activities flourished and made an important contribution to the welfare of the village. The cooperative successfully survived both the world war and the civil war. He also survived collectivization. He survived the difficult years of the Patriotic War, although the front was only three kilometers away from him. In the 50s, I myself went to the cooperative store to buy dairy products for my children. But the cooperative could not survive Khrushchev's reforms. The cows were destroyed, and the entire village, then already several thousand inhabitants, sat on the state’s neck: it had to independently supply the village with dairy products. The supply of the population deteriorated sharply. Everything has become more expensive.

                        About bread, you can read on Wikipedia “The Grain Crisis of 1963 in the USSR.”
                        Moreover, it is called the “crisis of 1963,” but in fact, lines for bread began to form around 1961, there is plenty of evidence of this.

                        You can also read about the “Ryazan miracle”. Also Khrushchev, end of 50x.

                        Well, the most important feat of Khrushchev, for which the Chaldeans idolize him, is, of course, the donation of Crimea to Ukraine.
                      5. -1
                        5 June 2024 14: 16
                        About bread, you can read on Wikipedia “The Grain Crisis of 1963 in the USSR.”
                        Moreover, it is called the “crisis of 1963,” but in fact, lines for bread began to form around 1961, there is plenty of evidence of this.

                        You can also read about the “Ryazan miracle”. Also Khrushchev, end of 50x.

                        Well, the most important feat of Khrushchev, for which the Chaldeans idolize him, is, of course, the donation of Crimea to Ukraine.

                        Schools of subordinates who, out of ingrained habit, tried to please the master. The Ryazan miracle is from this opera.

                        There were no queues with the master, he came, bought a card and wandered home satisfied.

                        Don’t forget Dzhugashvili’s main feat. Separation of Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan from Russia and the creation of independent republics. Which were not there to begin with.
                        This is where his portrait should definitely hang in every home. Yes
                      6. +1
                        5 June 2024 15: 55
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Schools of subordinates who, out of ingrained habit, tried to please the master. The Ryazan miracle is from this opera.

                        It is significant that of all the evidence I cited of Khrushchev’s stupidity, you chose only one - where at least you can somehow shift the blame from the good tsar to the stupid boyars.

                        Quote: Arzt
                        Don’t forget Dzhugashvili’s main feat.

                        And Gorbachev was generally an idiot. But this in no way justifies your idol.
                      7. 0
                        5 June 2024 20: 56
                        It is significant that of all the evidence I cited of Khrushchev’s stupidity, you chose only one - where at least you can somehow shift the blame from the good tsar to the stupid boyars.

                        I chose all three, I repeat, everything is learned by comparison.

                        The grain crisis was due to crop failure. Unlike Stalin, whose people died of hunger even in good years, Khrushchev did not allow this. Spent the country's foreign exchange reserves. Do you understand what we're talking about? About people. Yes

                        Yes, Khrushchev transferred Crimea to Ukraine, but before the collapse of the USSR, no one cared about this at all, it was a purely technical act of expediency, especially practically one people.
                        But why did the mustachioed man give the Zhus his state, explain to me? Moreover, at the expense of purely Russian territories.

                        Gorbachev is of course an idiot, I can’t argue with that.
                      8. +1
                        5 June 2024 21: 18
                        Quote: Arzt
                        The grain crisis was due to crop failure. Unlike Stalin, whose people died of hunger even in good years, Khrushchev did not allow this. Spent the country's foreign exchange reserves. Do you understand what we're talking about? About people.

                        Khrushchev, of course, is a rare talent. He inherited a country that even had foreign exchange reserves. He managed to bring her back to the bread lines. It is clear that when he was kicked out of power, the people were not at all surprised. Do you understand what we're talking about? About people.

                        Quote: Arzt
                        Yes, Khrushchev transferred Crimea to Ukraine, but before the collapse of the USSR, no one cared about this at all, it was a purely technical act of expediency, especially practically one people.

                        Purely technically it was expedient to transfer Ukraine to the RSFSR. Moreover, they are practically one people. Nobody would care. But for some reason Khrushchev did not do this.

                        Quote: Arzt
                        But why did the mustachioed man give the Zhus his state, explain to me?

                        The mustachioed guy messed up a lot. Why, for example, did he drag such a narrow-minded scoundrel like Khrushchev into the leadership of the party?
                      9. +1
                        5 June 2024 21: 30
                        Khrushchev, of course, is a rare talent. He inherited a country that even had foreign exchange reserves. He managed to bring her back to the bread lines. It is clear that when he was kicked out of power, the people were not at all surprised. Do you understand what we're talking about? About people.

                        Where did foreign exchange reserves come from? After a terrible war. Have you heard anything about the monetary reform of 1947, when the people were stripped to the bone?
                        About the gold-bearing Kolyma, where slaves waved pickaxes.
                        Who needs such a state and why does it exist at all?

                        Purely technically it was expedient to transfer Ukraine to the RSFSR. Moreover, they are practically one people. Nobody would care. But for some reason Khrushchev did not do this.

                        Such a project was simply unrealistic.

                        The mustachioed guy messed up a lot. Why, for example, did he drag such a narrow-minded scoundrel like Khrushchev into the leadership of the party?

                        He probably also thought he was narrow-minded. Well, and myself - a genius in my own right.
                      10. +1
                        5 June 2024 21: 36
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Where did foreign exchange reserves come from? After a terrible war. Have you heard anything about the monetary reform of 1947, when the people were stripped to the bone?
                        About the gold-bearing Kolyma, where slaves waved pickaxes.
                        Who needs such a state and why does it exist at all?

                        But when an idiot like Khrushchev becomes the leader of such a state, he will have the opportunity to do mischief for some time and even achieve some “successes” based entirely on the work of his predecessors. Until the safety margin is used up.

                        Quote: Arzt
                        Such a project was simply unrealistic.

                        Considering that Khrushchev was a latent Banderaite, of course.
                      11. 0
                        5 June 2024 22: 55
                        But when an idiot like Khrushchev becomes the leader of such a state, he will have the opportunity to do mischief for some time and even achieve some “successes” based entirely on the work of his predecessors. Until the safety margin is used up.

                        Yeah, he launched Gagarin into space and doubled his pension, what a dirty trickster he is.

                        Considering that Khrushchev was a latent Banderaite, of course.

                        Considering that Khrushchev became General Secretary on September 7, 1953, the Note on amnesty was sent by Beria to the Presidium of the Central Committee on March 26, and the Decree was signed by Voroshilov on 27, these guys were latent Banderaites. wink
                      12. +1
                        5 June 2024 23: 09
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Yeah, he launched Gagarin into space and doubled his pension, what a dirty trickster he is.

                        If Khrushchev had come to power twenty years earlier, then in 1961 he might have been Moscow burgomaster.

                        Quote: Arzt
                        The decree was signed by Voroshilov 27, these guys were latent Banderaites.

                        No, the decree was signed by Voroshilov on March 9, 1954. But the real head of state was, of course, not he, but the first secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, Khrushchev. The responsibility is on him.
                      13. 0
                        5 June 2024 23: 32
                        No, the decree was signed by Voroshilov on March 9, 1954. But the real head of state was, of course, not he, but the first secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, Khrushchev. The responsibility is on him.

                        Whatever it is, on March 9th he buried the Master.
                      14. 0
                        5 June 2024 23: 39
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Whatever it is, on March 9th he buried the Master.

                        This is not that year. I'm talking about the transfer of Crimea.
                      15. 0
                        7 June 2024 15: 30
                        excuse me, but in the USSR, from the very beginning - 1922 until 1991, the top management was always collegial... i.e. everything was decided by a collective of the highest ranks of the party nomenklatura called the Central Committee of the CPSU, and earlier the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) ... so it’s strange to scold Stalin alone
                      16. +1
                        7 June 2024 15: 32
                        excuse me, but in the USSR, from the very beginning - 1922 until 1991, the top management was always collegial... i.e. everything was decided by a collective of the highest ranks of the party nomenklatura called the Central Committee of the CPSU, and earlier the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) ... so it’s strange to scold Stalin alone

                        Then what questions do you have for Khrushchev regarding Crimea? Everything was collegial... drinks
                      17. +1
                        7 June 2024 15: 34
                        alas... but it is necessary to somehow justify the return of Crimea, although in 1954 Crimea was transferred to Ukraine by decision of the Verkhovna Rada. Soviet of the USSR. but without asking the consent of the Top. Council of the RSFSR... which was a violation of the law
                      18. +1
                        7 June 2024 15: 40
                        The story persistently crawled around the country that N.S. Khrushchev died after a janitor hit him on the head with a brick... by the way, an ardent Stalinist.... I don’t know whether this is true or not... but since people had fun telling this story, one can understand the level of good attitude towards N.S.
  19. +5
    4 June 2024 07: 17
    North Korea's fertility rate is 1,91 per woman. In South Korea - 0,7 per woman. It is necessary to return the standard of living of North Korea and not let women leave the country and the problem will be solved. Solving the housing issue and payments to families with children, as the experience of developed countries shows, does not solve the problem of demography in any way. On the contrary, poverty and lack of prospects for women are a great help. If anything, this is sarcasm, which contains facts that refute the author’s article. Oh yes, even in North Korea the communists were unable in the modern world to ensure the level of fertility necessary for population reproduction (in Cuba, if anything, 1,4 per woman).
  20. +9
    4 June 2024 07: 24
    "... I put forward the thesis: there is no state in Russia... Instead of the state as an institution that implements the course for the development of the country, we have a gigantic and uncontrolled private structure that successfully extracts profit in its own favor... “Statesmen”, ah! What are you defending... the primary task of our society is to return the state to Russia. "

    This is where we should at least start this article...
    what are we discussing? - what - what is not there?
    I’m talking about demographic policy - it doesn’t exist, or rather it is used by people who don’t speak Russian and will never speak - they don’t need it
    so what is 1% spent for?
    if you look at the Northern Military District, then the Slavs kill the Slavs or the Russians kill the Russians - who benefits from this? - is this also demographic policy?
  21. +8
    4 June 2024 07: 33
    Housing is only part of the demographic problem, and not even the first. The first is the opportunity to “make money”. Whether it’s a job or a private business, they should bring in enough for at least a decent human life. This money should be enough for living, paying for housing (mortgage or rent - whatever is more convenient for you), savings for old age, and for the education of children. Let us even admit that higher education is not necessary for everyone, but even a decent professional education is not cheap.
    And who is to blame that throughout the great Rus' there are much fewer opportunities to make normal money outside the Moscow Ring Road and A118 than within? However, this is not the case in Russia alone. In America there are the East and West coasts, and what some residents of the coasts contemptuously call “fly over territory,” although in theory there are also industrial, scientific, and cultural centers in cities with a population of one million.
    But let's return to the question of the number of children. We have two. The eldest has already graduated from college, works, lives her own life separately. The youngest moved on to the 2nd year. When he was born, we assessed our resources and realized that we couldn’t afford a third one. The house allows, we have 3 bedrooms, so it doesn’t matter what gender you are born in, same-sex in the larger bedroom, the rest in the smaller one. Shmutki would largely be inherited. Food? No problem. Medicine? The cost of insurance is in the single-couple-family categories; the number of covered children in the family is not limited. But kindergarten, developmental lessons, sports clubs - all this is money, and a lot of it. But the main thing is education. We would not have been able to push three of us through institutions, and we did not wish the fate of going out into an independent life with many thousands of debts for our children. It is also very sad to be left in old age with only a Social Security pension and Medicare insurance. Too rich to receive benefits from the state, too poor to survive. Regularly in the news there are articles about old people who are frozen in winter or overheated in summer, despite the fact that the house has a working stove and air conditioner, because the choice is between paying for medications and energy bills. Especially if you are single, and so that the spouses live happily and die on the same day and hour - this only happens in fairy tales and even car accidents. A nursing home is not an option at all, everything there, from the smell, is so sad that it would be easier to shoot yourself.
  22. +14
    4 June 2024 07: 38
    . Poor faceless towers, reminiscent of giant Khrushchev buildings, simply spoil the appearance of Moscow

    Yes, the Khrushchev buildings will be better. At least they don't block the sky. And the surrounding area is not so crowded with cars.
    1. Aag
      0
      4 June 2024 19: 40
      And most importantly, they were erected in a timely manner, and were populated by the people needed for the Country! ... Unlike nowadays.
  23. +10
    4 June 2024 07: 57
    There is light, and there is no tunnel, everything is open, clear and bright - just open your eyes and take off your glasses - be they pink or black.

    About the state.

    We live in a capitalist country in which the state reflects the interests of the richest capitalists. That is, the state is not inactive, but acts very effectively, the capital of the richest is growing, the Forbes lists are replenished.

    Are there any prerequisites for this to change? I think not, so everything will continue like this. Where is it dark? Everything is quite light and obvious.
  24. +9
    4 June 2024 08: 00
    . According to the Chairman of the Board of the ANO “Community of Practitioners of Educational Family Science” Mikhail Smirnov, Russia is already in a state of disaster as an institution of the family and is steadily moving towards a state of celibacy and familylessness.

    How so? In our country, the ideology of traditional values ​​works. A special feature that distinguishes us from other countries!
    Although if you look at reality, the demographics are negative and the president and his family did not work out.
    1. +9
      4 June 2024 08: 09
      ideology of traditional values ​​in the country

      As usual, things are replaced by beautiful speeches and false reports.... The childless woman is responsible for social policy, nonsense!!!! This is similar to how young unmarried and childless “professionals” teach in videos how to find family happiness...
      1. 0
        5 June 2024 12: 56
        The childless woman is responsible for social policy, nonsense!!!! It’s nonsense when the builder-architect is responsible for internal affairs and then for nuclear physics. But the result of his work is extremely positive...
  25. +4
    4 June 2024 08: 03
    About the Russian ethnicity.

    The problem of the extinction of the Russian people is a particular problem of the extinction of urbanized peoples - the Germans, the French, even the Turks, we are all dying out. This problem can probably be solved within one country by destroying cities. But then we will die out for another reason :)

    This is a global problem, and until the “old” peoples find a way to solve this problem together, there is a risk of our extinction as a nation.

    IMHO, the problem will not be solved, these peoples will disappear from the face of the earth, just as the Romans disappeared, leaving us with part of their culture.

    IMHO, there is no point in referring to Patriarch Kirill - he is the same oligarch, only from the church, he does not have any moral authority. However, no one has either.
    1. Aag
      +1
      4 June 2024 20: 00
      You made several points in your post.
      I completely agree with some of them. Some, I don’t accept. What should I do?!
      Nope, - I put a “plus sign”... Let’s put it this way, - out of solidarity, - for my worries about the problem outlined in the article... (without sarcasm).
      Accordingly, we request: “Please split up your comments! On topics, questions (perhaps this concerns many regulars of the forum): - it will be easier for you to evaluate the community’s reaction to your opinion, it will be easier for your colleagues to evaluate your opinion... hi
      1. 0
        5 June 2024 08: 10
        “Accordingly, we request: “Please split up your comments! By topics, questions. (perhaps this concerns many regulars of the forum): - it will be easier for you to evaluate the community’s reaction to your opinion, it will be easier for your colleagues to evaluate your opinion..."

        :) There are a lot of thoughts, but I’ll keep them in mind for the future.

        I’ll put a plus sign in the answer, but I don’t understand what’s the point in pluses and minuses? What does this affect?
        1. Aag
          0
          5 June 2024 11: 13
          On the "authority" in the comments present.
          In terms of personal assessment, I gave up on them a long time ago. In assessing society's attitude towards what is happening, we are worried - I don't care!!!!
    2. +1
      7 June 2024 15: 26
      the French after WWII had an increase in the birth rate and the Germans before WWII also had an increase in the birth rate ... although France and Germany were noticeably urbanized countries
  26. +13
    4 June 2024 08: 06
    What can we say about our “attempts” to increase the birth rate if the cost of maternity capital in 2022 amounted to about 1% of the budget? You see: the work is in full swing!

    Let's add 3,7% of healthcare costs and the puzzle is complete.
    * * *
    Our society is being killed by the lack of social justice in the country. The authorities do not hesitate to spread rot on the population with minimum wages, subsistence levels, millions of beggars, lack of affordable housing, lack of employment, but with the responsibility of patronage they monitor that part of society (a few percent) that does not hesitate to eat to its heart's content...
    * * *
    There will be no revival of the country under Putin's rule, under capitalism, under the speculative nature of the economy. Today at Magnit I caught a glimpse of a conversation about earning 40 and...
    Look at what happened in the USSR in the late period (70-80s). Enterprises provided housing, free trips to sanatoriums, children were taken on vacation to pioneer camps for pennies...
    What today? Eat and multiply? Fuck you! This is how people differ from animals. that they need spiritual development...
    In a word... It's all gone... I don't see a way out...
    1. -2
      4 June 2024 15: 10
      The enterprises provided housing, - up to 10 years turn. Depends heavily on the company. There are still dorms in which those who did not manage to get housing under the USSR live. And there are many more such hostels
      free vouchers to sanatoriums, - through connections. My father, the head of the PMK, was able to get a ticket to the south once in the summer. “Bre, please,” in the summer, shish.
      Remember “Love and Doves” - Gurchenko did not need a sanatorium for the movement organs - but she was a personnel officer and they brought her a voucher in the summer as a “need”.
      The joke is that if "they need spiritual development..." - then there will be no children.
      The father of 7 children will not be able to play music or attend the opera or otherwise develop spiritually - if ANYONE construction
      Even the damned oligarchs have a maximum of 7 children (well, if you don’t take any sultans)
      1. Aag
        -1
        4 June 2024 20: 51
        Sorry, you often “irritate” me with your niggism towards the USSR. Your right. I know, of course, the USSR, it was very different, depending on the time period and territorial attachment. Alas, now such successes (in reality) are certainly not to be seen!
        Thank you for your “ruff” comments, - it seems that I even wrote to you in a personal message (or, - in the comments...): they say, - you’re not one of us...
        True, I don’t know what is better at this stage: a sweet lie (only aggravates the problems, delays their solution, already at a higher level); or, the bitter truth, it will shock some, and it’s not a fact that it will make you think...,
        Well, at least it’s interesting to be with you! I don’t promise, but I’ll try to write in a personal message, if you don’t mind.
        hi
        1. +1
          5 June 2024 07: 55
          they say, you are not one of us...
          True, I don’t know what is better at this stage: a sweet lie (only aggravates the problems, delays their solution, already at a higher level); or, the bitter truth, it will shock some, and it’s not a fact that it will make you think...,
          the worst thing is that we stuffed. And if we bring back the USSR now, in 2 months 99% of its praisers will say, “This is not the USSR!!! They slipped us some kind of garbage!!”

          Grandfather is a disabled war veteran, the turn came (we had been waiting for 3 years) we went to take the Moskvich. Grandfather wanted green. We arrived on orange belay VAZ-2102 belay .
          It’s good that they had some money with them and it was enough - the Muscovites ran out.
          “If you want, take the Zhiguli, if you don’t want, wait another 3 years for the queue again.”
          Can you imagine this now? You came to the salon to buy a black Solaris, and they told you - “no, only pink Gelik. If you don’t want it, get out!”

          Or when everyone was carrying oranges to . Remember?
          This is not for benefit, but because they saw everything right away - the family is caring, worried, GETTING OUT.

          Now what about those oranges? Bullshit is cheaper than apples. We poke around in them, choose....
      2. Aag
        0
        4 June 2024 21: 37
        I agree - perhaps - it strongly depended on the point on the map of the vast USSR... The Baltic states, Riga: born, raised, educated...
        I understand - “showcase”...
        But, still: a pioneer camp (“I’ve been through so many periods of time”))), With clubs of various directions... -for 14 and a few kopecks rubles a month(!). Now I can’t financially afford such happiness for my child...
        Nothing to add... Somewhere my health no longer allows it, - there were times - I worked three times. ...Honestly, without any discounts!
  27. -17
    4 June 2024 08: 13
    All power to the Soviets!

    Russian is an adjective. Russian Tatar, Russian Uzbek, Russian Chechen, Russian Tajik... Comrade I.V. Stalin considered himself a Russian Georgian. I have a question for the author of the article, Alexander Odintsov: who do you consider Russian?

    ps
    At a time when the country is at war with NATO and each of us is required to consolidate society for victory, does this article (as well as articles about Dugin’s cent, emigrants, etc.) work for unification, for victory, or vice versa? The army copes with its tasks, but without a strong rear, all their sacrifices will be in vain.
    1. -3
      4 June 2024 08: 22
      Russian is an adjective. Russian Tatar, Russian Uzbek, Russian Chechen, Russian Tajik... Comrade I.V. Stalin considered himself a Russian Georgian. I have a question for the author of the article, Alexander Odintsov: who do you consider Russian?

      Yes. And this issue is much more serious than it seems at first glance.
      ROSS. The only way. Yes
    2. +1
      4 June 2024 12: 00
      Stop writing this nonsense about “Russian Tatars”, “Russian Uzbeks”.. A ​​Russian is a representative of a specific people, just a Russian. I, for example, am simply Russian, one might also add, a Great Russian. And "Russian" is not an adjective. If you've never heard of substantiation, then that's your problem. The self-name of a German in German is also literally translated as “German”. A Russian may have Tatar or Uzbek roots, there are many such people as part of the natural process of assimilation, but it will be a Russian with Tatar and Uzbek roots, but not a Tatar or Uzbek. or "Russian Tatar" or "Russian Uzbek".
      1. -2
        4 June 2024 12: 13
        All power to the Soviets!

        Quote: Sergej1972
        Stop writing this nonsense about “Russian Tatars”, “Russian Uzbeks”.. A ​​Russian is a representative of a specific people, just a Russian.

        You don't remember your kinship...
        Here are a couple of cards for you, maybe you remember what kind of tribe you are from:
        1. +1
          4 June 2024 12: 21
          This is all a story from thousands of years ago. I am Russian, Great Russian, and that’s enough for me. By the way, in those territories where these tribal unions were located, such shifts and mixing of the population took place over hundreds of years that the descendants of representatives of these tribal unions already constitute a minority of the population everywhere. On the territory where I live, the Vyatichi once lived. And why.. will I consider myself a Vyatichi? Do I need it? The main thing is that I am a Great Russian. Likewise, in the territory where the Polyans once lived, it is not their descendants who now predominate. And all these small ethnic groups of Siberia make up a small part of the population of Siberia. Already at the end of the 17th century, there were several times more Great Russians on its territory.
          1. 0
            4 June 2024 17: 02
            All power to the Soviets!

            Quote: Sergej1972
            The Vyatichi once lived on the territory where I live. And why.. will I consider myself a Vyatichi?

            In a word - “Ivans who do not remember kinship.” Apparently, only those who have forgotten their ancestors can be considered Russian... Well, the same as from the options.

            In my opinion, Russians are those who are responsible not for a clan or tribe, but for the entire Russian civilization, regardless of who their ancestors were.
            1. +1
              4 June 2024 20: 53
              No need to be clever. Every (almost) person belongs to one ethnic group or another. One of these ethnic groups is Russian. I am Russian because I was born Russian, my father and mother gave birth to me - Russians. Among my ancestors, at least among my great-great-grandparents, there are no representatives of other nations. I’m not going to climb into the wilds of 500-1000 years ago.
              1. +2
                4 June 2024 21: 06
                I’ll share the secret)): this is the ethnic group my grandson belongs to - father is half Armenian/Georgian, mother is a quarter Georgian, grandmother is half Georgian/Russian, grandfather is half Ukrainian/Russian, great-grandmother is half Polish/Ukrainian, another great-grandmother is purely Russian, one great-grandfather pure Georgian, another great-grandfather is half Russian/Ukrainian, there’s no way to figure it out without half a liter, but the grandson proudly calls himself - I’m Russian!
                1. +1
                  4 June 2024 21: 14
                  Quote: yawa63
                  I’ll share my secret)): this is the ethnic group my grandson belongs to - dad is half Armenian/Georgian, mother is a quarter Georgian, grandmother is half Georgian/Russian, grandfather is half Ukrainian/Russian

                  Can choose any nationality from Armenians/Georgians/Russians. In general, such cases are rare; they don’t make a difference.
                  1. 0
                    5 June 2024 21: 26
                    Are you a rarity?!? And you come to us on the Don! And look, there are almost no purely Russians here. For example, in Rostov, everything is mixed.
                    And the Krasnodar neighbors are the same. Actually the whole south. Where will you sign us up?
                    1. 0
                      5 June 2024 21: 31
                      Quote: bondrostov
                      And the Krasnodar neighbors are the same. Actually the whole south. Where will you sign us up?

                      What makes you think that I'm going to record you somewhere? You will register yourself, based on the documents. If it ever comes to that. What's unclear here?
                      1. -1
                        5 June 2024 21: 34
                        I won’t sign up anywhere for any reason! Because my nationality is very mixed, like many here. And in general, I don’t like your idea of ​​singling out one titular nation! From the word absolutely. I am a citizen of the Russian Federation. This is enough for me in my passport.
                      2. 0
                        5 June 2024 21: 40
                        Quote: bondrostov
                        And in general, I don’t like your idea of ​​singling out one titular nation!

                        I also don’t like your idea of ​​eliminating Russians as a people.

                        Quote: bondrostov
                        I am a citizen of the Russian Federation. This is enough for me in my passport.

                        Calm down. For people like you, I will leave the opportunity to sign up as a multi-religious multi-national.
                      3. 0
                        5 June 2024 21: 46
                        I also don’t like your idea of ​​eliminating Russians as a people.
                        . Why are you attributing words to me that I didn’t say?!
                        .Calm down. For people like you, I will leave the opportunity to sign up as a multi-religious multi-national.
                        It’s good that you don’t decide anything. The main thing is that you and people like you will never decide and you yourself understand this..
                      4. 0
                        5 June 2024 21: 50
                        Quote: bondrostov
                        Why are you attributing words to me that I didn’t say?!

                        Ask yourself this question. Why are you attributing words to me that I didn’t say?

                        Quote: bondrostov
                        It’s good that you don’t decide anything. The main thing is that you and people like you will never decide and you yourself understand this..

                        Actually, this is what the article is about. If nothing changes, there will soon be no people like me left at all. And the decisions here, where Russia once was, will be made by completely different people.
                      5. 0
                        5 June 2024 21: 55
                        I’m not at all against there being more Russians! I am a Slav myself. And I don’t really like crowds of people from Central Asia. I just wouldn’t want my children to be told that your friend has a different surname... That’s why I am against distinguishing any kind of nation.
                      6. 0
                        5 June 2024 22: 00
                        Quote: bondrostov
                        I just wouldn’t want my children to be told that your friend has a different last name.

                        And who clings to them?

                        Quote: bondrostov
                        That is why I am against the separation of any nation.

                        Who proposed to single out any nation?
                      7. 0
                        5 June 2024 22: 07
                        You are looking from the wrong side.. We need to fight migration! And don’t hand out passports left and right... And to increase the birth rate, here’s a simple recipe for you. Introduce prohibition! And tough! To stop drinking too much and dying at the age of 40 from burnt vodka. This problem is really scary. And create monthly payments to mothers for each child under 18 years old in the amount of the average salary in the country. And you will see how they begin to give birth!
                      8. 0
                        5 June 2024 22: 10
                        Quote: bondrostov
                        You're looking from the wrong side...

                        Then why did you attack me and begin to accuse me of looking for some “purely Russians”?
                      9. 0
                        5 June 2024 22: 15
                        I didn't attack you. I was struck by what you told the person above that strongly mixed people are rare. And here we have the majority of them. That's all. The whole south is like this. Russians, Ukrainians, Greeks, Armenians, Gypsies, Cossacks, etc.
                      10. 0
                        5 June 2024 22: 23
                        Quote: bondrostov
                        I was struck by what you told the person above that strongly mixed people are rare. And here we have the majority of them.

                        But in most of Russia this is not the case. And why bother at all? Rather, on the contrary, rarity is a reason for pride. “I’m so unique. I’ll have to look for others with such a bouquet.”
                      11. 0
                        5 June 2024 22: 27
                        I hadn't thought about this at all before. Before famous events. When in another region the locals began to tell me something like you often talk shit and shock... And I had to prove that everyone on the Don talks like that. I understand everything, I'm not stupid. But a sediment remained... That's why I wrote about the surname...
                      12. 0
                        5 June 2024 22: 43
                        Quote: bondrostov
                        And I had to prove that everyone on the Don talks like that.

                        I had a friend from Rostov-on-Don. Sometimes I had interesting conversations with him.
                        - What are you doing now?
                        - Lachu.
                        - What?
                        - I'm cleaning the floor.
                        - What?!
                        - I paint the floor in the apartment with varnish!
                      13. 0
                        5 June 2024 22: 49
                        Korchik, (water scoop) bag, (package) anchor, (small anchor for a boat) tyutina, (mulberry) why are you climbing through the bushes and looking wherever they ask laughing
              2. 0
                5 June 2024 14: 09
                No need to be clever. Every (almost) person belongs to one ethnic group or another. One of these ethnic groups is Russian. I am Russian because I was born Russian, my father and mother gave birth to me - Russians. Among my ancestors, at least among my great-great-grandparents, there are no representatives of other nations. I’m not going to climb into the wilds of 500-1000 years ago.

                No need to go into the wilds. Your great-grandfather most likely was not Russian, he was a Rusyn.
                The adjective “Russian” officially began to be introduced only in the middle of the 19th century, implying “whose subject?” Emperor. So Russian is not “which”, it is “whose”.
                Someone's property. Yes
                1. 0
                  5 June 2024 21: 43
                  Quote: Arzt
                  The adjective “Russian” officially began to be introduced only in the middle of the 19th century, implying “whose subject?” Emperor. So Russian is not “which”, it is “whose”.

                  It seems to me that you descend from Khrushchev in a straight line. Judging by education and general development. “Where did the Russian land come from” - in what century was this written?
                  1. 0
                    5 June 2024 23: 24
                    It seems to me that you descend from Khrushchev in a straight line. Judging by education and general development. “Where did the Russian land come from” - in what century was this written?

                    Oooh, do you know about this piece?! Commendable. Have you read it? laughing

                    About this, if anyone kills a peasant Rusin, or Christians Rusyn, yes, to die, even to commit murder....
                    1. 0
                      5 June 2024 23: 27
                      Quote: Arzt
                      Oooh, do you know about this piece?! Commendable. Have you read it?

                      Have you really read it?

                      Quote: Arzt
                      About this, if anyone kills a Rusyn peasant, or a Rusyn Christian, and dies, even if he commits murder.

                      If you wanted to prove something with this quote, then I didn’t quite understand what exactly.
                      1. 0
                        5 June 2024 23: 36
                        If you wanted to prove something with this quote, then I didn’t quite understand what exactly.

                        Have you not noticed that those whom you call Russians are called Rusyns by Nestor? what
                      2. 0
                        5 June 2024 23: 43
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Have you not noticed that those whom you call Russians are called Rusyns by Nestor?

                        By the way, it is not Nestor who names, but the sources that he quotes. But that's not the point. How does this prove that "the adjective "Russian" officially began to be introduced only in the middle of the 19th century"?
                      3. 0
                        5 June 2024 23: 49
                        By the way, it is not Nestor who names, but the sources that he quotes. But that's not the point. How does this prove that “the adjective “Russian” began to be officially introduced only in the middle of the 19th century”?

                        There are no "Russians" in official documents until this time. And in unofficial ones too.

                        Remember Derzhavin?

                        Thunder of victory, resound!
                        Have fun, brave Ross!
                        Vivid glory adorn.
                        Mohammed you cracked!

                        The fast waters of the Danube
                        Already in our hands now;
                        Honoring the bravery of the Rosses,
                        The Taurus is below us and the Caucasus.

                        Of course there is an adjective Russian. But the self-designation of the residents is not.
                      4. 0
                        5 June 2024 23: 56
                        Quote: Arzt
                        There are no "Russians" in official documents until this time. And in unofficial ones too.

                        Pgavda?
                        And those who have risen to the rank of officer, Russian or foreigner, both from the nobility and not from the nobility, are given coats of arms depending on their merits.

                        Table of ranks of Peter the Great. 1722 It couldn't be more official.
          2. 0
            5 June 2024 13: 58
            This is all a story from thousands of years ago. I am Russian, Great Russian, and that’s enough for me. By the way, in those territories where these tribal unions were located, such shifts and mixing of the population took place over hundreds of years that the descendants of representatives of these tribal unions already constitute a minority of the population everywhere. On the territory where I live, the Vyatichi once lived. And why.. will I consider myself a Vyatichi? Do I need it? The main thing is that I am a Great Russian. Likewise, in the territory where the Polyans once lived, it is not their descendants who now predominate. And all these small ethnic groups of Siberia make up a small part of the population of Siberia. Already at the end of the 17th century, there were several times more Great Russians on its territory.

            So Russian or Great Russian? wink
            1. 0
              5 June 2024 19: 09
              This does not contradict each other. The Great Russians are the largest part of the Russian people.
      2. Aag
        0
        4 June 2024 21: 56
        Oh! How wonderful everything is going for the Anglo-Saxons (without details): the Slavs are “wetting” the Slavs; at the same time, - plunging the EU into greater dependence on the supply of energy resources and weapons... A simple but effective plan... But there is also a more cunning one...
  28. +3
    4 June 2024 08: 33
    “In Moscow itself, industry, including innovation, is developing quite dynamically.”
    What is the author smoking? What other industry is there in the Moscow-Potemkin villages? Who will recreate the destroyed infrastructure? What is 1000 hectares of industrial space for the entire 15 million of Moscow.
    Sobyanin has finally gone crazy.
    Enough is enough - Moscow needs to be demolished and the capital moved to some Saratov. (The Kremlin can be left as a museum).
    Enough to invest money in this garbage dump - where will all this Moscow herd work? What does it produce?
    Therefore, there is a ban on migrants working inside the Moscow Ring Road, a ban on transporting garbage outside - let Muscovites remove and dispose of their own waste.
    1. +11
      4 June 2024 08: 37
      Enough to invest money in this garbage dump - where will all this Moscow herd work? What does it produce?

      I am a Muscovite and fully support you, Moscow time is a construction pyramid where migrants build housing for migrants
      1. 0
        4 June 2024 22: 31
        Quote: Vladimir80
        Moscow time is a construction pyramid where migrants build housing for migrants

        Moreover, they buy this housing with a preferential mortgage with government support.
  29. +2
    4 June 2024 08: 34
    The point is that our elite doesn’t need so many Russians... the costs of society and the state of the Russian Federation to raise a person from birth to 18-19 years old when he becomes able to work are objectively large. it’s easier to get migrants - after all, all the costs for their cultivation were borne by their society and the state, and not by the Russian Federation ... and besides, a large population was necessary during the times of the USSR - a large army is needed, many workers in industry and agriculture ... now that we buy a lot of things with foreign currency received for exports, we don’t have our own industry, and a million-strong army is not needed - the president and the elite are trying with all their might to make peace with the West - then for the elite and the state there is objectively no need for a population of 140 million ... especially with the Russians - for the elite Russians are the former oppressors of their people and the colonizers of other countries and peoples of the former USSR - they heard this from early childhood... and knowledge that has become beliefs acquires material power - this is what the classics of Marxism seem to have said
  30. +1
    4 June 2024 08: 35
    Quote: ROSS 42
    they provided housing, free trips to sanatoriums, children were taken on vacation to pioneer camps for pennies...
    What today? Eat and multiply? Fuck you! This is how people differ from animals. that they need spiritual development...

    How everything is mixed up here, free apartments and spiritual development... We don’t believe in God, but we chatter about some traditional values...
  31. +6
    4 June 2024 08: 38
    Quote: Boris55
    Russian is an adjective. Russian Tatar, Russian Uzbek, Russian Chechen, Russian Tajik... Comrade I.V. Stalin considered himself a Russian Georgian. I have a question for the author of the article, Alexander Odintsov: who do you consider Russian?

    What are you talking about, calm down already!
    A Russian is a peasant resident of a Russian village and the proletarian stratum associated with him in cities. A Russian is someone who is engaged in material production, albeit indirectly. Office plankton and agitators on the Internet are not Russian for a long time.
    1. +1
      4 June 2024 12: 01
      Russian is a representative of the largest ethnic group in the Russian Federation. Millions of Russians live outside the Russian Federation.
  32. +5
    4 June 2024 08: 42
    The article seemed somewhat one-sided to me: give housing (sell!!! using mat capital) and Russians will immediately begin to breed and multiply... And what will the housing and communal services payment for this housing be? What about the tax? And yes, children need to be dressed, shod, and fed. Pay for their clubs and sections. What kind of income are you asking?
  33. +4
    4 June 2024 08: 42
    Demographic hole, reduction of Russians, family degradation and poverty: is there light at the end of the tunnel?
    You can write as many articles as you like on this topic, grieve about the ineffectiveness of spending funds, etc. and so on.
    The answer to this question lies on the surface; if a people is dying out, then someone needs it. As Chubais said: “They simply did not fit into the market.” The goal of the current government and regime is to maximize profit from everything, and they see the solution to problems with the birth rate exclusively through money. Those. the approach is like at a bazaar, if you offer a good price, you can buy everything, but this no longer works, because... The liberals themselves have created conditions in the country where people do not want to create poverty and are ready to work for pennies just to feed themselves.
    Do you want to really increase the birth rate in the country? Then change the form of government from feudal-capitalist to socialist, and then you yourself will be surprised that the people will begin to multiply without any mat capital. An example before your eyes is the USSR, as they say, learn history, gentlemen, rulers! And as a hint to those in power, if you don’t want to take care of your people, then at some point the people will send you into forced emigration. The October Revolution of 1917 also did not arise out of nowhere. hi
    1. -3
      4 June 2024 15: 19
      Then you yourself will be surprised that people without any swearing capital will begin to multiply. An example before your eyes is the USSR, as they say, learn history, gentlemen, rulers!
      2,4 children in the RSFSR by 1990,
      in the USSR it is higher due to Central Asians..

      The October Revolution of 1917 also did not arise out of nowhere. hi are you ready for a loss - tantamount to the collapse of the front in WWII?
      Are you ready for hunger?
      Are you ready for Civil War?
      Are you ready to have to shoot your fellow revolutionaries like dogs?
      1. +2
        4 June 2024 15: 24
        You are ready
        When this happens, no one will be asked whether he is ready for this or not. When the collapse of the USSR happened, many were not ready for this, and many did not want this collapse, but it happened.
        And according to demographics:
        In 1989, the USSR State Statistics Committee calculated that by the end of 2015 the population of the RSFSR would grow from 148,3 million to 165,7 million people. Taking into account the slowdown in growth, by the end of 2021 the number would have reached at least 169,4 million people - or 171,9 million citizens including Crimea. In reality, by the end of 2021, taking into account the increase in mortality from coronavirus, the number of Russians is unlikely to exceed 145,6 million people - 26,3 million less.
  34. +3
    4 June 2024 08: 45
    Quote: S.Z.
    This problem can probably be solved within one country by destroying cities. But then we will die out for another reason :)

    It’s not clear if you destroy Moscow, for example, will there be a mass extinction of Russians or not? If so, why?
    For example, the Moscow agglomeration consumes 80% of the goods of the luxury segment in the Russian Federation - this is a huge amount of resources that are exchanged for beads. This is a tax on local producers, for example, people in rural areas - fuel and fertilizers are becoming more expensive due to exports. That is, a bunch of Moscow parasites are a growth factor cost of material production.
    1. -1
      4 June 2024 09: 37
      “It’s not clear if you destroy Moscow, for example, will there be a mass extinction of Russians or not? If so, why?”

      Because without cities where products are produced, we will lose the competition, turn into an appendage of other nations and disappear.

      However, Moscow is a special case. It really is sucking all the juice out of Russia - capital, people, and ideas. This is a monster that grows on the juices of Russia.

      But there is hardly any way to change the situation given the existing economic rules, and there is no reason to change these rules.
  35. +11
    4 June 2024 08: 53
    Where did the “55 years” pension for women come from during Soviet times?

    Why in the USSR, where there was a shortage of workers and they tried to employ everyone in production, were women released from work even at a relatively working age? Even then, women lived, on average, longer than men. It appears that the age of 55 years was set not on the basis of current life expectancy, but in accordance with more fundamental parameters, such as the frequency of generational change and the length of reproductive age. If a woman is 55 years old, then her eldest daughter is most likely already 30-35 years old. This is the last time when she can give birth to a healthy child and increase such an important demographic indicator as the number of births per woman. To encourage her to take such a step, the Soviet state presents the family with a gift in the form of a retired grandmother. And if this “gift” is postponed by 1 years, as they want to do today, then the eldest daughter will already be 5-34 years old. With a high probability, at this age she will either not decide to give birth to an additional (second or third) child, or this child will be born disabled.

    Now a little about the retirement age for men, assuming that in the USSR it was also determined not only by medical, but also by reproductive considerations. The reproductive period of a man’s life lasts much longer than that of a woman, so it is impossible to accurately link the retirement age to the expected age of the offspring. But it can be tied to the age of the spouse. A man in a marriage is usually a little older than his wife, “about five years,” so we get 60 years - the average age of the husband of a woman who retires at 55 in order to encourage the families of her older children (who will soon be out of reproductive age) to have children. . An additional bonus in the form of a grandfather who is still working also goes towards the well-being of the young family, thus increasing the incentive to bear children.

    Therefore, with the introduction of a retirement age of 65 for men and 60 for women, abandon your naive hopes for an improvement in the demographic situation...
    1. +3
      4 June 2024 12: 05
      and after 40 they now give birth to healthy children
      1. 0
        4 June 2024 14: 36
        one in a hundred :-)) the best time to have children is from 16 to 36...
        1. 0
          5 June 2024 05: 24
          about 10 per hundred, recently many people give birth after 40, and this is without IVF
        2. +1
          5 June 2024 22: 42
          Stupidity. Normal and up to 42 give birth. No problem
  36. +8
    4 June 2024 09: 13
    We were deceived in 1985, then in 1991-1992, then in 2014 when concluding the Minsk agreements in 2022 in Istanbul.
    The word "US" is categorically against it. How many political scientists in the country spoke out in 2014, 2022, incl. on federal channels that the Minsk and Istanbul agreements are, to put it mildly, “dummy”, but the country’s leadership agreed to sign these documents. Now the conclusion is that the country’s leadership is suffering from dementia or that the “Kremlin towers” ​​are dominated by agents of influence.
  37. +3
    4 June 2024 09: 53
    Perhaps maternity capital should not be a fixed amount for some expenses, but a percentage of the cost of housing?
    Moreover, in such a program there must be agreement on what housing the state is willing to pay for and what housing the family is ready to take.
    It seems to me that the system needs to be made more flexible, but at the same time with reasonable restrictions. There must be assessments of the education of the population so that there is no marginalization of the state. How to do it? For example, add as a condition the presence of higher or special education, advanced training courses, etc.
    Then there will be an incentive for development, and even if a person gets a diploma, the flow of useful information can give him motivation for self-education.
  38. +2
    4 June 2024 10: 54
    Man is food, and oligarchy is the gut through which man-food moves until his remains go into humus. So there is a tunnel, but there is no light. There is no light there.
  39. +6
    4 June 2024 10: 57
    Import substitution is underway and the government is pursuing this policy very effectively. The indigenous population of Russia is very effectively replacing imports with logs.
    1. +2
      4 June 2024 11: 51
      Import substitution is underway
      This is how the current government talks about import substitution and its successes
  40. -3
    4 June 2024 11: 09
    According to the Chairman of the Board of the ANO “Community of Practitioners of Educational Family Science” Mikhail Smirnov, Russia is already in a state of disaster as an institution of the family and is steadily moving towards a state of celibacy and familylessness.


    I dare to express my personal, extravagant opinion:
    To maximize people's personal freedom, everyone SHOULD NOT KNOW WHICH CHILD IS HIS.
    The state should take care of the education of all children in specially designated children's cities.
    Now this sounds shocking, but with the help of “overtone windows”, as practice shows, you can implement any idea.
    1. +3
      4 June 2024 11: 49
      Now this sounds shocking
      No, it doesn’t sound like that. Tomaso Campanella, this was also suggested in the 16th century in his book City of the Sun
      1. +2
        4 June 2024 12: 10
        If it’s in a book, of course the idea is not new, but what if you try it on yourself here and now? wink
        1. +2
          4 June 2024 12: 13
          You are probably not familiar with the author. Tomaso Campanella, one of the first communists - utopians, like Thomas More... They had a communist society doing this..
          1. +2
            4 June 2024 12: 18
            What does it change? If you say that under the current government, which is not communist at all, this is impossible, then I completely agree. I also agree that communist society is the essence of a utopia. However, in my opinion, it is necessary to invent and build a society where children are shared and care is taken for them too. And at the same time, do not fall into utopianism.
            1. +4
              4 June 2024 12: 22
              If you say that under the current government, which is not communist at all, this is impossible, then I completely agree.
              About it.
              Communist society is a utopia.
              If they broke you and didn’t let you build a house out of cubes, this doesn’t mean that it’s impossible to build it. And then, a man turns into a beast easily, but from a beast into a man, this is a difficult path.
              1. 0
                4 June 2024 12: 26
                Using your metaphors, a communist (not socialist) society is a house made of balls request
                But I am the last one who will interfere with its construction, because approaching perfection is the essence of development. hi
                1. +2
                  4 June 2024 12: 29
                  those. Don’t you build your house out of balloons? Sisyphus is labor. Why build socialism-communism out of balloons when there is brick? And besides, these things are built by people, not cattle...
                  1. +2
                    4 June 2024 12: 33
                    I’m not building anything at all, because, metaphorically, I have neither building materials nor strength, and I’m not part of a brigade. I'm just trying to mentally imagine a viable architectural project...
                    1. 0
                      4 June 2024 12: 42
                      To imagine it, first read the works of the first communists - utopians, then the utopian socialists Fourier, Saint-Simon, and then move on to the realists... Or better yet, start with the works of ancient Greek philosophers, Aristotle, Plato, etc. and the puzzles will be put together.. hi smile
                      1. +1
                        4 June 2024 12: 45
                        Yes, yes, absolutely, O infallible guru! fellow
                        By the way, what did you mean by bricks for building communism?
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    3. 0
      5 June 2024 22: 58
      Well, if someone comes to me to pick up my child, he will be on the doorstep and will end forever am no matter what ideas he came with and what universal happiness he wanted..
      1. 0
        6 June 2024 05: 58
        Well, why be so nervous? In the proposed model, no one is going to remove children who are already being raised by their family. It’s just that a woman in labor and a baby leave the maternity hospital through different doors and then go their own way through life.
        1. 0
          6 June 2024 09: 07
          This is madness.. Such an idea will not be accepted anywhere in the world.
          1. 0
            6 June 2024 11: 26
            This is exactly the answer I expected wink But just remember how they initially reacted to the idea of ​​giving women equal rights with men, for example.
  41. +5
    4 June 2024 11: 27
    So, we are waiting for changes

    Under capitalism, when did the state become a tax collector? belay
    Well, wait, wait. The cancer on the mountain will soon whistle. lol
    1. +3
      4 June 2024 11: 47
      Under capitalism
      I remember the changes under capitalism in Germany in the 30s of the last century..
  42. +3
    4 June 2024 11: 32
    While the massacre of the dancers is going on, nothing can be done, we have a military budget with a deficit, we are defending the country. But after the Victory, half a million men will be freed and a window of opportunity will open here. But only those who were born in Russia or reunited with it should receive maternity capital. Then this is the deal. Migrants, even with a Russian passport, should not receive this, otherwise they will replace us even faster. A little nationalism, but excuse me, otherwise we all...
    1. +1
      4 June 2024 12: 05
      Apparently, even after the victory, the size of the army will remain at a high level, and not conscripts, but contract soldiers will prevail.
  43. +6
    4 June 2024 11: 32
    The problem of increasing the birth rate is divided into 2 parts. Its first stage is a conditionally “loose” stage, which can be stimulated in small material ways, through light propaganda and small benefits.
    It is “loose” because it is a relatively small democratically active space of people who are in some borderland of choice - to give birth or not to give birth, or in the borderland of the beginning of reflection on this topic. That is, this pool can be somewhat pushed towards the “right” choice (to give birth or not to give birth) by certain actions. They are “loose”, unstable and undefined elements.
    The second stage is much more difficult - but there the gain is potentially much more significant. This is the "tight" stage.
    Factions of the “dense” stage are people who have COMPLETELY OBJECTIVE or close to them reasons for not rushing into brood. The size of these reasons exceeds the handouts from the “loose” stage and they simply do NOT have any influence on the adoption or non-acceptance of decisions by these people and on their final actions.

    The “dense” stage is a clearly threshold stage, and the approach to it must be appropriate. A significant part of the participants in this stage do not give birth because they do not have the living space for this. This does not mean that it does not exist at all - but it does mean that with the birth of a child, their situation will worsen for at least years or decades. With a limited amount of money they can cover some needs for medicine or food and clothing, but they will not cover the issue of living space with infusions of money - this is the reason for the pronounced threshold of the “dense” stage.

    When the “loose” stage is almost completely mastered, all these “stimulation” measures will come up against the “dense” stage, where there will be OTHER laws. If a small dog cannot climb from one step to another, it will spin around under it to no avail, its energy will be enough to do this, but it will not be enough to overcome the threshold. I wrote about this here in 2 articles.
    Apparently, we have almost already exhausted the “loose” stage - pushing it forward would only be possible through improving the aesthetic climate in society and the media. At the next, much larger stage, the current measures will be absolutely ineffective, and if we really want an explosive growth in the birth rate and increased social activity, we will have to literally build social housing and distribute it, we will have to launch accounts for newborns and fill them from the state . budget as they grow older, so that by the age of 20+ they can buy from 1/3 to 1/2 of the huts in their region.

    This is the most effective solution, other solutions are based on the exploitation of the “loose” stage, there are not so many potential women giving birth, and through them we will, at best, cover mortality from old age.
    1. +3
      4 June 2024 15: 25
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      At the next, much larger stage, the current measures will be absolutely ineffective, and if we really want an explosive growth in the birth rate and increased social activity, we will have to literally build social housing and distribute it, we will have to launch accounts for newborns and fill them from the state . budget as they grow older, so that by the age of 20+ they can buy from 1/3 to 1/2 of the huts in their region.

      It is quite obvious that no one up there is going to do this. Instead, there is a wild, uncontrolled migration of Asians.
      1. +2
        4 June 2024 18: 41
        This is understandable - we perceive the benefits of measures on the principle of “done quickly - the effect today or tomorrow” in the best case. At worst, this is generally the development of budgets with “imitation”.
        However, in the event of the deployment of serious production within the country (i.e., real import substitution), we will need a market for these products - and here the option of explosively stimulating demand through improving the living conditions of the masses may turn out to be extremely successful for the development of the domestic market and long-term tax revenues. There has already been an analogue in our history - when 9- and 14-story “Khrushchev” buildings began to be erected en masse. The families that moved there provided excellent brood dynamics and, among other things, created a huge demand for products of all kinds, which, due to ineffective organization and political imbecility, was met with difficulty, although potentially the USSR economy could have been accelerated very sharply through this alone.

        Now we have the potential opportunity to take advantage of sanctions and the need for import substitution and increasing demographics and lay the foundation for the growth of our economy by developing the domestic market and creating needs for decades to come. Through this, we could very well not only get 40-60 million souls within forty years, but also launch the foundation of many brands that would have the potential to confidently occupy a % of the world market in the future. We have no alternatives - at the current levels of development and sales of oil, we will have enough for 40 years (according to other sources, 60, but the devil is in the details - after all, there are, in principle, reserves, and there are commercially attractive reserves), gas for 70-80. That is, until the end of the century, the profit from our oil and gas model will steadily fall, as will our demographics, if we do not start preparing now for an alternative.
    2. 0
      5 June 2024 00: 03
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      we will have to literally build social housing and distribute it, we will have to launch accounts for newborns and fill them from the state. budget as they grow older, so that by the age of 20+ they can buy from 1/3 to 1/2 of the huts in their region.

      It's time to introduce an unconditional basic right to housing. Quite a feasible task, by the way.
      1. +1
        5 June 2024 01: 39
        In general, I agree with you, but an intermediate stage is needed here so that this is clear, the economy can be reconstructed and so that the lid does not blow off. But it certainly can.
        We need to combine the promotion of new industrialization (I would call it “light and technological” as opposed to the “heavy” industrialization that was carried out by the USSR) with the promotion of demography and so that these things are connected. So that, on the one hand, we would not have enterprises without workers (forcing us to attract migrants or to the detriment of quality labor), and on the other hand, so that we would not have a completely uncontrollable boom with insane human resources and unemployment.
        So phasing is very good. An important point, as well as the connection between the measures, is industrialization and demography.
        Purely technically, we have long been at the level of society’s production capabilities that it is realistic to provide housing for everyone - strictly speaking, we reached this level offhand at the end of the 1960s. But if legislation, economics, production, education are not prepared for this, we will quickly get a society where more overclocked according to needs than it can cover.
        In a sense, we went through this too - when the USSR was already covering the basic needs of the population and the curtain was “leaky” at the same time as there was a shortage across a wide spectrum. As a result, people wanted more, their needs were accelerated, but the system did not want to - it denied - it could not use this wild kinetics. And this kinetics broke the system, just as steam breaks a poorly designed boiler.

        First we need a powerful machine and a concept that works for it. Then we could transform the concept towards greater social justice. The mistake of the leftists was (and still is) their extreme fixation on form and detail where the key is the very idea of ​​engineering for an objective result. The objective result is extremely clear to both left and right - a society of opportunities and abundance, where basic needs are covered without restrictions on reasonable freedoms, and at the same time there are opportunities to cover personal ones through labor and abilities.
        1. +1
          5 June 2024 10: 06
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          The mistake of the leftists was (and still is) their extreme fixation on form and detail where the key is the very idea of ​​engineering for an objective result. The objective result is extremely clear to both left and right - a society of opportunities and abundance, where basic needs are covered without restrictions on reasonable freedoms, and at the same time there are opportunities to cover personal ones through labor and abilities.

          I am ready to subscribe to this.
  44. +7
    4 June 2024 11: 45
    [B]
    We were deceived in 1985, then in 1991-1992, then in 2014 when concluding the Minsk agreements in 2022 in Istanbul.[
    /b] And then from 2000 to 2014, they didn’t deceive... pension reform, May decrees...
  45. +4
    4 June 2024 11: 49
    Before the Industrial Revolution, supporting families was the responsibility of men. One head of the family could not guarantee a living standard, therefore there were large families and the birth of boys was so valued in them - the support, protectors and breadwinners of parents in old age.
    As industrial production grew, workers, mostly male, became sorely in short supply.
    There were two options to solve the problem:
    1. Slave trade
    2. Gender equality - attracting women to public work, which has become an additional burden for them in housekeeping and raising children.
    Today, the slave trade has been renamed the labor market, in which, just as before, owners wholesale and retail sell and buy labor at market prices.
    Demographic trends show the highest birth rate and the lowest average age of the population in underdeveloped state formations and directly opposite trends in prosperous, developed state formations, the so-called. golden billion – declining birth rates and aging population.
    It follows from this that the birth rate is directly proportional to the standard of living - the lower it is, the higher the birth rate, and due to the natural selection of society, the health of the population is higher.
    Attempts to solve the problem on our own through additional payments and benefits have never led to an increase in the birth rate, but to an increase in the standard of living and life expectancy, an aging population, and an increase in spending on pensions and social items of budgets at all levels.
    Raising the retirement age is intended to optimize pension costs, but this is a temporary solution.
    Today, the slave trade has become global in nature and threatens the “golden billion” with demographic and social problems, and therefore a decrease in the income of its owners, who are trying to somehow solve the migration puzzle, which cannot be completely abandoned and cannot be left to chance.
  46. +2
    4 June 2024 11: 55
    Well, it’s okay, now abortions will be banned (which has been talked about for a long time) and the birth rate will immediately go up sharply.
    1. +1
      4 June 2024 11: 59
      in those countries where it was banned, abortions began to be done underground
    2. 0
      4 June 2024 15: 06
      Quote: Kmon
      Well, it’s okay, now abortions will be banned (which has been talked about for a long time) and the birth rate will immediately go up sharply.

      Or it will increase profits for those who sell contraceptives))) And if the birth rate rises, then the demand for places in boarding schools will rise by the same amount.
    3. 0
      6 June 2024 08: 02
      Unfortunately, they won’t ban it (they tried to remove it from compulsory medical insurance, but it didn’t work - the crazy bureaucrats and the public were afraid of losing the right to kill their own children)
  47. +3
    4 June 2024 12: 03
    An article in a pseudoscientific style, once again pouring from empty to empty. And basically the same comments.
  48. +2
    4 June 2024 12: 09
    Financial capital should be in the form of a husband’s salary, decent and allowing him not to go into poverty with the birth of children.
    Housing must certainly be helped to acquire, or provided as social housing.
    Hectares should be provided where there is at least some kind of civilization, and not in the Arctic or in particularly cold areas of the Leningrad region, as now. Why try to send people there? There are no schools, no kindergartens, no hospitals. Then build some kind of production, and then send people. Otherwise it's some kind of nonsense.
    If Russians don’t give birth in central Russia, make a program just for them. What are you ashamed of?
    1. +3
      4 June 2024 12: 31
      I couldn't live with a housewife who was a housewife. I have never liked such women and never do. Taking into account the current situation, a woman must understand that her husband may die in an accident or during military operations, die prematurely from some disease, etc. This is the harsh reality of our time; a significant part of even successful men leave at the age of 40-50. And she should be able to find a job to support her family. A man who insists that his wife does not receive an education, sits at home and depends on him for everything, must understand that this is irresponsible.
      1. 0
        4 June 2024 14: 12
        What does the housewife have to do with this? Who insists that a woman not receive an education and stay at home?
        They put forward theses themselves and disputed them themselves. request
        1. 0
          4 June 2024 14: 40
          Some commentators here on VO insist that women should be legally prohibited from getting an education and pursuing a career. By the way, they are sure that all men really dream of large families.
          1. +1
            4 June 2024 16: 47
            Quote: Sergej1972
            All men really dream of large families.

            If it's not a secret, how many children do you have? I have 4, and it’s a pity that I didn’t have 6 - I was young, stupid.... request
      2. 0
        5 June 2024 23: 29
        But here, to each his own. But I don’t really like the prospect of a wife with her own personal money and independence. And how will she raise children when? In the event of the loss of a breadwinner, this responsibility should be assumed by the state. In reality, of course, this is unlikely.
  49. +3
    4 June 2024 12: 09
    The author forgot to say that during the last census, compared to the previous one, the number of people who refused to indicate their nationality increased sharply. By the way, there was active campaigning among young people on social networks calling for people not to indicate their nationality. Most of those who did not indicate their nationality, unfortunately, are Russians. Some did not indicate their nationality out of stupidity. There are many such not very smart people who begin to doubt their nationality when they find out that their grandmother or grandfather was a representative of another nation. Some themselves, out of simplicity, write about their doubts regarding their nationality.
    1. +2
      4 June 2024 15: 03
      Quote: Sergej1972
      The author forgot to say that during the last census, compared to the previous one, the number of people who refused to indicate their nationality increased sharply.

      The author, and you like him, have completely forgotten that the latest population census is the wildest game and the best choice. Its authenticity is not something that is in doubt, it is not there at all! Postscripts were simply recorded in batches. Who was attributed to, by order of the PARTY, I think there is no doubt. So, the real situation is far from what was depicted, and it is clear that it is not for the better.
      1. 0
        4 June 2024 15: 47
        I participated in the census through government services, as did many relatives, friends and colleagues. Everything was quite correct. During previous censuses, I myself came to the census point; for me this issue is fundamental.
        1. 0
          4 June 2024 22: 33
          I also participated through the State University, but this doesn’t say much.
          https://www.fontanka.ru/2023/01/28/72012689/?ysclid=lx0scofdrg138000665

          The results of the 2021 census, published in full, are being ironized, surprised, and scolded. But Yuri Krupnov, chairman of the supervisory board of the Institute of Demography, Migration and Regional Development, believes that such attention to it is unjustified. He explained to Fontanka why its importance for the state is exaggerated.
    2. P
      +1
      5 June 2024 15: 14
      The census has not been carried out, it is impossible to use information from it, because most of it is written from the performers' heads. did not leave the offices
  50. +6
    4 June 2024 12: 10
    Article, another blah, blah, it is necessary, it is necessary.. It is necessary, but who has the power in their hands? With the bourgeoisie, and the bourgeoisie, it is advisable not to invest money, but to get something ready-made at minimal cost.
  51. -1
    4 June 2024 12: 11
    A large number of other Russian peoples, including the second largest, the Tatar, and all Finno-Ugric peoples, have a much greater rate of decline than the Russians. This is partly a consequence of natural assimilation processes.
    1. -1
      4 June 2024 14: 41
      so there is no need to worry :-) ... and there is applause in the Kremlin - there are fewer people in Russia - there are less costs for maintaining the population ... and those resources that were spent on maintaining can be sold on foreign markets ....
    2. 0
      5 June 2024 06: 57
      The decline in the birth rate is caused by the infantilization of the population, as well as by evolutionary inability to adapt to new environmental conditions. Evolutionary selection must occur, as a result of which people who are unable to give birth naturally to five children in a city will die out and leave room for healthy populations.
  52. +3
    4 June 2024 12: 14
    It is correct to indicate the percentage of a particular nation based on the number of people who indicated their nationality. As for those who refused to name their nationality, publications are already appearing on this topic with an analysis of this phenomenon. But almost all authors agree that these are mostly either “pure” Russians or Russians from one of their parents.
  53. 0
    4 June 2024 12: 34
    And again about the advantages of wooden houses. This is all for everyone. Even when visiting a wooden house, I feel out of place. It’s better to live in stone, brick or concrete housing than in wood. Worse than wood, probably, are newfangled frame houses. An acceptable option for me is a wooden or panel house, but lined with brick. Or if only the second floor is wooden.
  54. +5
    4 June 2024 12: 36
    Dear author, let me remind you of the phrase: “there will be no revision of the results of privatization.” So, in a hundred years the Russian people will no longer exist. From the word "absolutely"
  55. +1
    4 June 2024 14: 03
    Quote: S.Z.
    “It’s not clear if you destroy Moscow, for example, will there be a mass extinction of Russians or not? If so, why?”

    Because without cities where products are produced, we will lose the competition, turn into an appendage of other nations and disappear.

    However, Moscow is a special case. It really is sucking all the juice out of Russia - capital, people, and ideas. This is a monster that grows on the juices of Russia.

    But there is hardly any way to change the situation given the existing economic rules, and there is no reason to change these rules.

    1. The competition has long been lost - office plankton cannot create anything - it is ballast.
    2.Moscow is not a special case; the same tracing paper destroys industrial enterprises throughout the country and builds human settlements in its place.
    1. 0
      4 June 2024 14: 59
      Quote: Dozorny severa
      1. The competition has long been lost - office plankton cannot create anything - it is ballast.

      The same liberal rules of the game have bred office plankton. But even so, with proper motivation, plankton completely retrains itself and stands at the machine or drawing board.
  56. -2
    4 June 2024 14: 09
    Quote: Jacques Sekavar
    It follows from this that the birth rate is directly proportional to the standard of living - the lower it is, the higher the birth rate, and due to the natural selection of society, the health of the population is higher.

    Does it follow from your words that a general reduction in personal consumption in society will lead to an increase in the birth rate? Otherwise, the standard of living is an anti-scientific indicator, and therefore not successful.
  57. +5
    4 June 2024 14: 54
    Why was it necessary to increase prices for wood and lumber so sharply when now, due to export restrictions, there is simply an oversupply of it? Wouldn't it be better to lower prices and/or dramatically expand production? Why this banal problem is not solved in conjunction for the benefit of the country, like everything else, we cannot understand.

    What's so unclear about this? Since 91, everything has been exactly this way. Oil has fallen in price; fuel has risen in price in the Russian Federation. Oil workers need to be compensated for their costs. As they said without a replacement guarantor: “You need to get into THEIR position.” Oil prices have risen, and fuel prices in the Russian Federation have risen again. And as you wanted, raw materials have risen in price!!! This is how we enter all our lives.
    So, we are waiting for changes.
    You can wait until the carrot conspiracy. These ghouls have stuck tightly together, and they won’t give up power without a lot of blood. And they themselves will never change for anything. They simply do not have the desire or ability to do this.
  58. RMT
    +3
    4 June 2024 15: 36
    The highest price per square meter was set in Moscow (RUB 175,6 thousand)
    And on the graph the price per meter in Moscow is 270 thousand rubles.
    Whom to believe?
  59. RMT
    0
    4 June 2024 15: 40
    John Maynard Keynes, Evgeny Gontmakher...
    Who are these people?
  60. +4
    4 June 2024 16: 08
    If we live in a time of dominance of private property, this means that the more market-valuable property you have, the faster and more you accumulate capital and turn it into assets, the more influence you have on the economy, and, consequently, on politics . That is, starting with the privatization and corporatization of socialized or state property, you logically approach the privatization of the means of production, infrastructure, population savings, mineral resources, and then the state itself, as an institution of violence, in your private interests, and, after that , and to the privatization of culture, history, social consciousness, and human life itself, RECOGNIZING, PROTECTING AND PROPAGANDING THIS AS THE NORM! Everything is subordinated to the rational and pragmatic goal of developing the regime of domination of private property in your private, OLIGARCHIC INTERESTS! Dear author, to whom and why do you write such articles? After all, the population of Russia is already completely divided in relation to Soviet privatized property, and without a brutal civil war, these bastards, who robbed and robbed their own population in the 90s and 2000s, will not voluntarily give up anything! Even if, hypothetically, we imagine that the “gentlemen” will meet your proposals halfway, the property that you end up with turns not into a source of income, but into a source of constant expenses that are constantly increasing for the bulk of the country’s population! And, most importantly, owning this property, you will not be able to influence either the economy, or, especially, the politics in the country (. And why then will you raise and educate your children? So that they become a resource, fuel and “cannon fodder” for the oligarchies, constantly at war with their own kind of global predators? There is, in my opinion, only one way out of this shit in which we all find ourselves, this is a revolutionary change in the legal relations of the dominance of private property and the state, to the legal relations of the petty-bourgeois social. socialization of property and the state. That is, nationalization. Nationalization of everything that has been privatized over the past 30...40 years. But for this it is necessary to become a Society of corporate owners-owners, which not only collectively owns production, engineering, and infrastructure. and agricultural enterprises and organizations, but represents and protects its interests and goals in district, city, regional and federal authorities, develops, adopts, and controls budgets and programs for social advanced scientific and industrial development. That is, directly or indirectly participates in the functioning of state and municipal authorities! The demographic catastrophe that you write about is only a particular manifestation of the general catastrophe of the Russian state-forming ethnic group, which may well end in the destruction of Historical Russia (.

    PS The general is higher than the specific! No.
    Is the particular higher than the general? Also no.
    What then? PRIVATE AS PART OF THE GENERAL!
    1. -3
      4 June 2024 16: 50
      Quote: Oleg Plenkin
      a revolutionary change in the legal relations of the dominance of private property and the state,

      hmm, fools-theorists in Rus' - give them a revolution! somehow, under the tsar, the population grew, although there was private property and they lived poorly - think why... hi
      1. +1
        4 June 2024 20: 24
        Some fools write). And other fools do not read carefully(. Read carefully. Where is it written that I am against private property?
        1. 0
          7 June 2024 11: 00
          Quote: DrEng02
          Quote: Oleg Plenkin
          revolutionary change legal relations domination of private property and state,

          Quote: Oleg Plenkin
          Where is it written that I am against private property?

          I kindly highlighted it for you! Don't understand what you are writing? bully
          1. 0
            7 June 2024 11: 50
            No. It is you who do not understand what you are reading(.
            1. 0
              7 June 2024 12: 38
              Quote: Oleg Plenkin
              et. It's you who don't understand what you're reading.

              then learn to write clearly! hi
              1. 0
                7 June 2024 15: 35
                Then let’s do this: “What don’t you, personally, understand?”
                1. 0
                  7 June 2024 18: 16
                  Quote: DrEng02
                  Quote: Oleg Plenkin
                  a revolutionary change in the legal relations of the dominance of private property and the state,

                  Quote: Oleg Plenkin
                  Where is it written that I am against private property?

                  can't you read? Or do you understand what you read? As for me, everything is clear - I stated it in the first message:
                  Quote: DrEng02
                  hmm, fools-theorists in Rus' - give them a revolution!

                  hi didn't you understand?
                  1. 0
                    7 June 2024 20: 45
                    The fool - the reader - does not need a theorist. To the fool - the theorist - the reader, even more so. We live on.)
    2. P
      -1
      5 June 2024 15: 10
      You have a lot of thoughts in your head, but you lack a theoretical apparatus. I suggest you master the Marxist approach to the issue within the definitions of the terms you use in this comment
      1. 0
        5 June 2024 22: 42
        The framework of the “Marxist” approach will lead us to the old ideological fork in the road: either the “Trotskyist” world revolution, in which the Russians will “burn” to the ground as an ethnic group, or to the nomenklatura nationalization of property, which will lead first to the “state” capitalism of the USSR in the 60s.. .80s of the twentieth century, and then, to cruel and cynical privatization, by the same nomenklatura, nationalized property. Or do you prefer to go through the rake again? If you are for “this”, then please, without me.
        1. 0
          5 June 2024 22: 52
          Therefore, you propose to remain within the framework of outdated capitalism, which is more than 500 years old? In capitalism, we don’t walk around with a rake, right??? :)
          1. 0
            6 June 2024 01: 27
            Comrade lieutenant colonel, capitalism is the social-production relations of the large and middle bourgeoisie, and hired personnel acting as the Marxist “proletariat”. And if qualified and educated specialists created collective private property in the form of small and medium-sized petty-bourgeois cooperatives and corporations, then the main contradiction of capitalism is absent. All manufacturing, engineering, infrastructure and agricultural enterprises and organizations work FOR THEMSELVES, those they love and, a little for the social state, and not for the “bald uncle”. And through economic interests and “horizontal” relationships, collective owners-owners form from among themselves a real political petty-bourgeois class of corporate owners of their country. And this is no longer capitalism, but national democracy, as a full-fledged economically, socially and organizationally subject Public power, organizing around itself the necessary political and economic environment for advanced scientific and industrial development, and not for the financial usury and trade speculation that prevails today. Do you have only black or only white? It's just a shame(...
        2. P
          0
          7 June 2024 00: 18
          1 the territory of the Russian Federation and the peoples inhabiting it in the 21st century are neither advanced economically nor organizationally in terms of the likelihood and success of the revolution, and are valuable mainly as carriers of the theories and practices of the USSR, necessary for more successful actions in other places 2 The World Revolution cannot be physically carried out by any one people, and in its previous iteration, revolutions and coups took place in parallel in many countries, so your “or” is false. 3 the experience of the USSR cannot be forgotten and will not be forgotten, a great advantage will be for the structures that will do the work on the mistakes of the USSR 4 You imagine a situation with a false choice “either Marxists / or there will be some version of the 20th century model.” But the choice is different: either socialism (and then communism), or a very dark and completely inhuman barbarism awaits us. Trends in the consolidation of capital are leading us to a situation where a super-monopoly will get into the hands of (all/many) a large state completely, without restrictions. Just imagine what a layoff would look like in this structure.
          1. 0
            7 June 2024 01: 10
            1. Nationality, People and Nation are completely different specific historical states of ethnic groups. The historical nationality is formed by direct military-administrative violence of the dominant “knightly” layer of the emerging military aristocracy and priesthood from related tribes and tribal unions. And, in the event of defeat in wars and the destruction of the military-administrative “elite” by external enemies, the nationality may degrade back into a pre-state tribal state. The people are the unification of the same kindred tribes and tribal unions not only by military-administrative methods, but also by religious or religious-philosophical worldviews, and organizations, leading to the fact that, even in the event of defeat or destruction of the state, popular relations remain, and are not destroyed and do not degrade to pre-state relations and forms. That is: “There is no state, but there are people.” The national state of society degrades and is destroyed only over generations of peasants moving, as a result of a targeted state policy of de-peasantization, to cities from villages and villages, and finally breaking away from the religious-communal feudal-peasant culture and consciousness, as a result of mass education, scientifically -technological progress and urban lifestyle. First, being the proletariat, like the first generation of peasants in industrial production, and then, in the second or third generation, having finally become bourgeois, they turn into a qualified petty-bourgeois working class and layers of educated hired technical specialists. Do you like to cite historical “practice” as an example? So it's the same everywhere. And the Soviet people are no exception. If you need my point of view, then the historical path of the USSR is the most radical “Protestant” reformation of European Christianity. And the very last one. And any radical Protestant reformations of Christianity ended in bourgeois revolutions. This is what happened here in 1989...1991. The example of Russia is simply another “medical” fact of the objective destruction of proletarian ideologies, organizations and “absolute” truths, which, over time and the growth of contradictions, turn into a relative truth, and then, completely, into a point of view or personal opinion in a narrow circle of scientists, historians, and cynical political swindlers(.
            2. We, Russians, in my opinion, are no longer an Orthodox feudal-peasant people, but have not yet become an urban, that is, bourgeois Nation - an urban political Society of corporate masters and owners. Although the overwhelming majority moved to the cities. And between the People and the Nation there is an abyss of History, which each ethnic group overcomes through a “leap over the abyss” - social revolution and National Reformation, changing the social consciousness, culture, ethics and morality of the state-forming ethnic group. The consequence of the formation of an urban, that is, bourgeois Nation, as a political economic subject, is the emergence and formation of “different” nationalisms: the nationalism of the financial and commercial “regional” oligarchy and large owners of the means of production, natural resources and agricultural latifundia (fascism and its derivatives), nationalism "horsemen" - middle owners (bourgeois republic) and the most social nationalism of the "zevgits" - petty-bourgeois producing middle class (national republic). What type and type of nationalism Russian nationalism will be will manifest itself as a result of the uncompromising and brutal class struggle of interests, goals, and objectives of the political classes of various “police” owners emerging today: the five-hundred-medium “aristocracy” and the oligarchy, “horses” and “zevgits” . I think that Russia, that is, we, does not have any “special path”. And our future, in the near future, will be the future of the results of such a class struggle.
            3. I suggest that you, like all supporters of Marxist-Leninist “proletarian” socialism, look, first of all, at yourself. And to analyze who in Russia, over the past 40-50 years, has become a subject of the dominant financial and commercial oligarchy, and who these “glorious” representatives of this very oligarchy, and their “children” were in the Soviet Union . And, most importantly, where they led the working population of the USSR, “illuminating” their historical path for 70 years (. Look in the mirror.
            1. P
              0
              7 June 2024 22: 50
              you might not have explained it so long. One "knight" is enough. You are an idealist. And there’s not much to talk about with you.
              1. 0
                8 June 2024 09: 58
                Labeling is not your thing (. And the “knightly” layer is armed horsemen, standing out from each tribe and uniting for a common goal - the forced subjugation of their fellow tribesmen and the conquest of neighboring related tribes, leading to the emergence of the first barbarian states in which " horsemen" became a military aristocracy, which, to "legitimize" its dominant position, used religious organizations, acting as the subject of yet another, but ideological violence against the simple, ordinary population. Do not invent things that, in fact, do not exist. And, By the way, you can talk to a person who at least understands the above. Therefore, I have no desire to talk to you either).
  61. +1
    4 June 2024 16: 41
    the author criticizes liberals, but in fact he himself! request The number of children determines not how much money is in the wallet, but what ideas the mother has in her head! Glamor must be removed from the Internet! ideas about gender equality and business ladies too!
    1. P
      -1
      5 June 2024 15: 06
      Well, of course, a nurse with the right ideas will give birth to the Holy Spirit and raise a dozen doctors of sciences provided with housing (no). You just need to remove the glamor, yeah
      1. 0
        7 June 2024 11: 03
        Quote: Pandemic
        a nurse with the right ideas will give birth by the holy spirit

        Have you decided to engage in fighting against God? bully
        Quote: Pandemic
        and will raise a dozen doctors of sciences provided with housing (no).

        I think the doctors will provide for themselves... the funny thing is that for this they need to be born... request
        Quote: Pandemic
        You just need to remove the glamor, yeah

        Exactly! otherwise the girls will think about other things and will not have enough time or health for children... hi
  62. +1
    4 June 2024 16: 45
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    10 years ago there are more divorces than marriages

    went too far with women's rights... request
  63. 0
    4 June 2024 18: 04
    That’s right, in Russia there is no State, but only an organized crime group that covers up its statehood with words about patriotism.
  64. 0
    4 June 2024 18: 31
    Quote: kor1vet1974
    Now this sounds shocking
    No, it doesn’t sound like that. Tomaso Campanella, this was also suggested in the 16th century in his book City of the Sun

    The Spartans even lived like this. It ended badly.wink
  65. +1
    4 June 2024 20: 09
    Author, you are mixing everything in the world into one pile. And the birth rate, and the social system and migrants, and the Central Bank and the size of apartments.
    In Rus', for hundreds of years, there was a system when the country and people were owned by a narrow stratum, the houses of the peasants were very small cells. The birth rate was colossal.
    Is there a proven connection between housing area and fertility? Scientific research, etc.