Gentlemen, your mess is very helpful to us!

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Gentlemen, your mess is very helpful to us!

It’s not like “my neighbor’s dacha burned down – it’s a small thing, but it’s nice,” but it’s very similar. Our beloved “partners” are starting another naval scandal with showdowns and special effects, which only brings us benefit.

It would seem that where are we and where is the US fleet, which, we admit, has not really threatened us lately, somehow struggling more with its own problems.



However, we are talking about our submarines, which, as a certain part of the writers have long insisted, are our most effective offensive weapons. Who is the main enemy of a submarine? That's right, a small but decently equipped frigate-type ship.

Not exactly a small coastal corvette, not a big bandura destroyer stuffed with missiles, but a frigate. Fast, armed and equipped with everything to drive a submarine across the sea-ocean and eventually get it out with something from your weapons.

So, the frigate USS Constellation is in the studio!


We have already paid attention to this ship, since we took seriously the information that Constellation or “Constellation” is a French-Italian project Fregata Europea Multi-Missione (FREMM), a very impressive ship, which, as stated, will be modified taking into account testing and operation for the better. And - unlike French and Italian ships - American frigates were originally planned as anti-submarine ships.

FREMM of Italy, France, Egypt and Morocco have been sailing the seas and oceans for a long time, but with their American colleagues everything turned out a little differently. as planned.

All naval analysts in the United States are shaken by the news that future Constellation-class frigates may have their top speed reduced to compensate for the unexpected increase in their overall weight. The Navy and shipbuilder Fincantieri Marinette Marine continue to grapple with the consequences of major changes in the ship's configuration compared to the Franco-Italian FREMM project, but the whole purpose of producing Constellations based on an existing frigate was to reduce costs, timelines deliveries and risks, but they turned out to be larger, heavier, and as a result, frigates in construction are years behind schedule.

New details about weight gain, structural instability and other problems with the Constellation-class frigate have emerged in a report published by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). Just last month, the US Navy awarded a new contract to Fincantieri Marinette Marine worth just over $1,04 billion for two more frigates. The service currently has six Constellations on order, the first of which is under construction.

At the same time, the Navy has already confirmed that the first Constellation-class frigate may now be delivered no earlier than 2029, which is as much as three years behind schedule. It turns out that Fincantieri Marinette Marine will deliver the first ship of the project approximately seven years after the start of construction of the Constellations. Well, not bad. We also take a long time to build ships, but they are obviously cheaper.


Fincantieri's rendering of the future first-in-class frigate USS Constellation

Speaking about the current status of the first Constellation-class ship, the Navy said that "as of September 2023, the shipbuilder had completed only 3,6 percent of the lead ship, compared to the 35,5 percent it planned to complete by that point." GAO reported.

“A complicating factor in estimating new frigate delivery dates is the shipbuilder's October 2023 announcement of an unplanned weight increase in the frigate design—an increase of more than 10 percent from the shipbuilder's June 2020 weight estimate,” GAO said. “The Navy's decision to approve construction with unfinished elements of the ship's design, including information gaps related to structural, piping, ventilation and other systems, and an underestimation of adapting a foreign design to Navy requirements led to the weight increase.”

It is worth noting here that by 2021 it has already become clear that the Constellation class design will be 7,32 meters longer and just over 1 meter wider at the waterline compared to its FREMM progenitor. In addition, the Navy said at the time that Constellation's displacement had increased by about 500 tons "to accommodate future growth." What was meant was further modernization of the ship, a completely ordinary thing, but +10% of the mass - it looks very weighty.

However, "addressing this weight increase adds another issue to the shipbuilder's ongoing project activities, further reducing the predictability of this already schedule-constrained effort," the GAO report said. “The Navy told us in April 2024 that it was considering lowering the frigate speed requirements as one potential way to address weight increases affecting ship design.”

To date, the US Navy has not yet revealed its speed requirements for the Constellation class, but it has been reported that the ships will be able to maintain a cruising speed of at least 26 knots. This corresponds to the stated “maximum continuous speed” of the Italian variant of the FREMM project, the Bergamini class, which Fincantieri Marinette Marine says exceeds 27 knots.

However, the problem is that American frigates had to maintain a speed of at least 30 knots to keep up with carrier strike groups. Four knots is decent.


"Carlo Bergamini" from the Italian Navy

One more thing: Construction of the USS Constellation continued, at least as of last year, without a final design being completed. That is, the ship was being built, and the documentation was being completed. In principle, nothing like that, but...

“Design stability is achieved after basic and functional design is completed in a 3D model, using information provided by the vendor to finalize the system design,” GAO said. However, “the Navy began construction of the frigate in August 2022 with an incomplete functional design that was inconsistent with leading ship design practices.”


They certainly say: if you hurry, you will make a mockery of the budget. Or, on the contrary, you will upset you completely. But consider this: As of August 2023, nearly a year after construction work began on the ship at the shipyard, Constellation's functional design and 3D model were rated 92 percent and 84 percent complete, respectively, according to GAO.

Are we really talking about the USA? And where could they get this? Except for the Indians... The Chinese don’t build like that either.


Graphical representation of estimated progress in 3D modeling of the Constellation-class design as of October 2023 from GAO.

What's the end result? And the end result is a mess. But not ours, such an eternal optimistic and perky Russian mess, as a result of which the set goal is still achieved, not in the name of, but sometimes in spite of, but the Western pessimistic mess, based on the results of raking it, hundreds of questions are asked on the topic “And what next - That???" almost no chance of an answer.

So what's next?

And then everything is according to Hitchcock. That is, quiet horror with some hope for a happy ending.

Overall, the design commonality between Constellation and FREMM is now only about 15%. At least that's what USNI News reports. The new GAO report says this includes significant changes to the combined diesel-electric and gas turbine propulsion system and associated machinery control systems, which shipbuilders say "increased costs and introduced integration risks."

Changing the entire power plant... Well, the owner is a gentleman.

Next, the Navy decided to change the entire forward superstructure in order to meet Navy requirements for crew habitation and survivability. This is also not a task for the weak. And it requires both time and money.

On top of all this, weight gain during ship construction can compromise the ship's capabilities both in the short term after the ship is handed over the fleet, and in the long term, since it will not allow the fleet to carry out the necessary upgrades and improve the initial capabilities during the planned multi-year service life of the ship. That is, the installation of any more modern equipment or weapons will be impossible, because the displacement reserve has already been “eaten up.”

And there is something to think about in this direction. The configuration of the “Constellation” involved the placement on board of weapons that were in one way or another related to directed energy. All these lasers, railguns and other attributes of the future.

In their frankly negative conclusions, GAO experts refer to the Navy's previous experience with the Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) program. The creation of the initial examples of both LCS subclasses deliberately began without a clear design, a process commonly known as parallelism.

This led to the fact that the first two samples of the Independence and Freedom class ships were significantly different from subsequent ships. This in turn ended as expected: they were quickly relegated to training and testing roles.


USS Freedom (background) sails alongside USS Independence. Both of these ships are currently decommissioned

In general, building ships based on unfinished projects is a so-so activity. It is worth remembering the experiment in our Soviet past in the construction of Soviet battleships “Soviet Union” and others like it. There, too, the designers didn’t have time, but it was necessary to lay the construction, because that’s how the matter was set up. Well, Yezhov. Everyone knows how it ended.

USS Freedom (LCS-1), USS Independence (LCS-2), and USS Coronado (LCS-4) are currently decommissioned. The oldest of these ships, Freedom, was in service for only 13 years. The US Navy currently plans to retire even more LCS of both subclasses in the coming years.

In general, so much has already been said about the collapse of the littoral ships of the US Navy that all that remains is to lay flowers and cut them into metal. Precisely because the littoral areas were built not just anyhow, but without a proper understanding of what would happen at the end, they turned out to be expensive, but worthless coffins. And so much money was spent on them that three squadrons of frigates could be built.

The US Navy's decision to purchase the Constellation-class frigates was seen as a major blow to the LCS program and its continued failure to meet expectations and (perhaps most importantly) costs. As noted, the use of a production-established reference design, a core requirement of the program originally known as the FFG(X) program, was intended to help limit cost increases and other technical and scheduling risks. But something didn't go as planned.

The Navy, for its part, made a simply smart “turn all of a sudden” and blamed the fact that the littoral ships turned out to be, to put it mildly, uncombat-ready, on the shipbuilders. And here the idea was born of attracting a third-party manufacturer, namely Fincantieri Marinette Marine, to develop and produce new frigates, which will not be so new for the manufacturer.


Drawing of the "completed" USS Constellation at the Fincantieri Marinette Marine shipyard in Wisconsin

What is the intermediate result? Initially, the Constellation-class frigate will be three years late, and it will take almost 10 years to deliver the lead ship to the fleet. This is largely due to the fact that the Navy cannot maintain its requirements at the initial level while constantly changing them. As a result, nearly 70 percent of the requirements have changed since the Navy signed the contract. That is, changes in the project are happening almost in parallel with the construction of the first frigate. Well, what is 70% - it’s worth thinking about, because obviously the output may not be at all what was planned

How and when the Navy, together with Fincantieri Marinette Marine, will finally be able to stabilize the Constellation-class's weight and other structural elements, and whether the ship's top speed will suffer as a result, remains to be seen.

But this is not the main problem.

Well, the frigate is “overheated” and the vehicles cannot provide the proper speed of 30 knots. It’s sad, the old “Arleigh Burke” produces 32 knots, it turns out that the “Constellation” cannot go to the AUG. But a destroyer can take over the anti-submarine defense of an aircraft carrier. The Berks have everything for this, helicopters, weapons systems, and search systems.

What then is this, God forgive me, frigate for?


Okay, for intertidal replacement. According to the project, Freedom was supposed to protect the coastal zone, having a maximum speed of 47 knots. "Independence" - 44 knots. These are excellent indicators; it would actually be very difficult to get away from these ships. If only they could really walk at such speeds.

A frigate with a maximum speed of 26 knots does not look so confident, but it is quite suitable for protecting the coastal zone. For the French and Italians, this is exactly what FREMMs do.

But it’s difficult to understand what “Constellation” is. And what will happen at the end of construction? It is understood that US Navy officials are constantly resorting to FMM and demanding various changes. It's hard to imagine how this mess happens, but 70% is a scary figure.

We can all open the performance characteristics of the same Bergamini and, based on them, draw a conclusion about how good the Constellation will be if processed with a hammer and file for the needs of the US Navy. But here something strikingly different from the FREMM project will clearly emerge from the production tools.

Question - what?

And the second point. When? The littorals are slowly and confidently moving towards the cutting area. Everything is clear with them. But with those ships that will replace them, nothing is clear at all. Only one thing is clear: it’s simply not worth waiting for them sooner than in 14-16 years. While the first one is being built, and it’s not easy, until everything is debugged... The ordered series may be received later.

Well, in America they don’t know how to overcome the mess and win in spite of it. Alas.

Mess? Without a doubt. But it plays into our hands, because during these 15 years, God knows what can happen. With any special effects. And the virtually unprotected 200-mile zone and beyond is nice. Of course, Borey doesn’t need to get so close, but for SSGNs it’s a nice bonus if something happens.

In general, one can look at what is happening with our enemy with pleasure, because there is an understanding that the United States, which was once the first maritime power, is gradually beginning to lose its leading position. And this plays into the hands of those who are not very keen to live by the principles laid down by the pillars of world “democracy”.


By the way, this may also benefit the submarines of others who do not want it.
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  1. +20
    4 June 2024 04: 22
    The tendency to rely on the election of the “right” American president or on the existing mistakes and mistakes in the military development of potential opponents is time to be eliminated.
    Stop hoping for the Russian maybe and the Chinese fleet.
    * * *
    First, it’s time to prove that in the neutral waters of the Baltic Sea, Russia has every right to conduct an investigation into the explosion of the SP pipes in order to identify those responsible.
    Too often, urgent issues are resolved at a snail's pace.
    1. +1
      4 June 2024 05: 03
      Well, it looks like ours decided to investigate request
    2. +3
      4 June 2024 06: 08
      First, it’s time to prove that in the neutral waters of the Baltic Sea, Russia has every right to conduct an investigation into the explosion of the SP pipes in order to identify those responsible.
      - this cannot be done in other, less expensive ways? Or is it unclear who benefited from the explosion?
      1. -1
        5 June 2024 08: 03
        What kind of heresy are you talking about... is the pipe the property of Russia? no..the property of incomprehensible LLCs and other joint offices of bureaucrats and merchants))).....any other questions?
        1. +1
          5 June 2024 14: 12
          Can you understand what you read?
          1. -1
            8 June 2024 07: 49
            the main thing is that you care so much about their interests)) and their messes distract attention from our inaction
            1. 0
              8 June 2024 07: 54
              the main thing is that you care so much about their interests))
              - no, it’s you who are worried about their interests laughing Completely in vain, by the way.
              1. 0
                8 June 2024 07: 55
                Well, you’re right about that) there’s definitely no need to worry about them) everything is as it was for them)
    3. +16
      4 June 2024 07: 14
      I support. The TV drones on about how bad things have become in Europe, how bad it is in Ukraine, how lousy life is in the USA. Like this makes things easier for us in Russia. The president was also presented with information, we’ll take Ukraine in a week. Authors, stop crying about things in the West. In your country needs to solve problems. The perpetrators of the problem are silent, so they don’t quit their jobs. To identify problems, there is a fourth estate - the press. Or weak?
      1. +5
        4 June 2024 08: 24
        Or weak?

        What are you talking about? Regular comments are being deleted left and right. What media?
      2. +3
        4 June 2024 08: 26
        Authors, stop crying about things in the West.

        It's so simple.
        problems need to be solved.

        But this is not at all easy...
      3. +1
        4 June 2024 10: 16
        In our realities, the “fourth” is also the “first”. And if not the “first” - then a foreign agent.
      4. 0
        5 June 2024 08: 06
        Well, why... don’t the “performers” quit their jobs_))))... are transferred to another place of “work”)))) and at their own request. That’s how I’m not asking you to fire me voluntarily.....but I’m asking you to transfer me...)))))))))
    4. 0
      4 June 2024 13: 20
      By and large, I do not believe that our spies or agents did not report who, when and how the Nord Streams were blown up. Our investigation is the legalization of this information. Modern Sorge and Stirlitz are still working. bully
      1. RMT
        +1
        4 June 2024 14: 17
        "the eternal optimistic and perky Russian mess.."
        Maybe they reported to the wrong place?
      2. 0
        5 June 2024 08: 08
        Well, they reported..well, everyone knows everything..and?)))) the pipe is not a state object belonging to some country))) something can get excited, for example, only the owners of the pipe..all these created..consortiums.and other gaskets... . and those in whose tervods this happened, this is an emergency) and only....
        1. 0
          5 June 2024 10: 08
          50% of Gazprom belongs to the Russian state. You can humiliate a private owner or an oligarch, but the state is usually not a joke. After the investigation, financial claims can be made to the country that carried out the sabotage. Or also cause damage, for example, to Norwegian or Polish pipelines. bully
          1. -1
            8 June 2024 08: 01
            are you so naive?))) 50 percent of which half?)) people like you and Sberbank sincerely believe in state ownership)
          2. 0
            9 June 2024 21: 43
            The point is not that 50% are state-owned, but that Russian business participated there, including joint business. And it is the state’s responsibility to protect Russian business.
  2. +15
    4 June 2024 05: 13
    Gentlemen, your mess is very helpful to us!

    We would like such a "mess".... recourse
    1. -18
      4 June 2024 05: 52
      Oh, okay. Look how many ships we are building now. Anything more than in America
      1. +5
        4 June 2024 07: 24
        Look how many ships we are building now. Anything more than in America

        Even if this were the case, the mattresses have been adjusted so much at the moment that mom don’t worry....
        1. -6
          4 June 2024 08: 36
          They are now busy just renovating them. They are already turning to the Japanese for help. At least we have new ones, albeit small-tonnage ones.
          1. -1
            4 June 2024 14: 10
            Judging by most of the comments, TsIPSO agents have registered here.
      2. +4
        4 June 2024 11: 43
        You’d better look at how much their fleet surrenders in, say, five years. Some people are going to build Karakurt for 10 years, a ship for 800 tons
    2. +14
      4 June 2024 06: 53
      The author clearly forgets that the absolute world champion in chaos is not the USA....

      I remember a cartoon from the Soviet magazine “Crocodile”: a drunk man is holding on to a tree, but points his finger at a gentleman with a cigar in his teeth and makes the remark that “smoking is harmful!”
  3. 0
    4 June 2024 05: 41
    They were no longer thinking about carrying out the necessary combat missions, but about being inspiring and at a classy representative level. Everyone has their own weaknesses.
  4. +3
    4 June 2024 05: 41
    If we recall the experience of World War II, then in the Atlantic, and also in the Pacific, submarines were afraid not of frigates individually, but as part of a “hunter-killer” group with an anti-submarine aircraft carrier at its head.
    1. -1
      4 June 2024 05: 55
      Usually destroyers like. They have both anti-aircraft guns and depth charges. And for some reason only the amers have frigates for this purpose
      1. +1
        4 June 2024 06: 11
        At first they were destroyers, but then just frigates and escort destroyers, which were essentially the same frigates.
      2. 0
        4 June 2024 10: 50
        Quote: igorbrsv
        Usually destroyers like. They have both anti-aircraft guns and depth charges. And for some reason only the amers have frigates for this purpose

        Nope. The naval destroyers were busy with the affairs of the fleet, and it was irrational to divert such valuable ships to escort the tramps. In addition, the performance characteristics of the EMs were tailored for a large fleet and were not very suitable for escorting low-speed ships - excessive speed, small GB reserve, unnecessary TA, etc. So EMs were used as guards against enemy surface ships, as escorts for naval escort groups, or if there was nothing else at hand, and CON was desperately needed.
        Therefore, MM escorts, frigates, corvettes, sloops and other small items were built for the KON escort. However, the “big fleet” also appreciated these escort ships and attracted them to accompany the DESO and the floating rear.
        1. 0
          4 June 2024 14: 00
          At the beginning of WWII, due to a shortage of escort ships, the British converted destroyers of type V and W, from those that were still in service, into an anti-submarine version, removing even the stern tubes and guns. Plus the well-known exchange of bases in the West Indies for 50 smooth-deck destroyers from USA.
          1. 0
            5 June 2024 11: 19
            Quote: Grencer81
            At the beginning of WWII, due to a shortage of escort ships, the British converted destroyers of type V and W, from those that were still in service, into an anti-submarine version, removing even the stern tubes and guns. Plus the well-known exchange of bases in the West Indies for 50 smooth-deck destroyers from USA.

            So these are no longer naval EMs. V and W at that time were balancing between “serve to the end” and “maybe they should write it off?” Navy EM RN are alphabets.
            The USN smooth-deck aircraft have the same picture - against the backdrop of the arrival of "Sims", "Bensons" and in anticipation of "Fletchers", the old ones were actively converted into everything that was possible, including high-speed technical units and hydroaviation bases.
            1. 0
              5 June 2024 14: 07
              However, the RN destroyers of the V and W series, and even earlier ones, were also used in naval operations when they burned out. The same is true for the USN. Because neither in the army, nor especially in the navy, there is ever anything superfluous.)))
              1. 0
                5 June 2024 14: 58
                Quote: Grencer81
                However, the RN destroyers of the V and W series, and even earlier ones, were also used in naval operations when they burned out. The same is true for the USN. Because neither in the army, nor especially in the navy, there is ever anything superfluous.)))

                So I don’t argue with this - in the absence of fish, the EM PMV will be useful.
                Yes, the RN and USN used EM PMVs in combat formations. But the Limes and the Yankees also did not disdain to include escort MM special buildings in the naval formations - all sorts of "Khanty" and "Battlers". The most famous episode in the history of escorts is the battle at Fr. Samar, when "Dennis", "John C. Butler", "Raymond" and "Samuel B. Roberts" in the same formation with their older naval brothers attacked Kurita's forces (cowardly and effeminate Yankees, yes .. wink ).
                But this does not make them naval destroyers - they are just temporarily engaged escort ships. Exactly the same as the OHP in the AUG escort. smile
                The same V and W were officially put into reserve at the end of the 30s and began to be converted into escort MMs.
                By the end of the 1930s, types "V" and "W" were obsolete, some of them were scrapped, and most of the rest were in reserve. In 1938, it was proposed to convert them into high-speed air defense escort ships. This made it possible to replenish the fleet with much-needed units until 1940, when the first specialized ships of the Hunt class were expected to enter service. In total, under the program, called "Wair", it was planned to re-equip 20 EVs of types "V" and "W".
                © A.V. Dashyan. "Ships of the Second World War. British Navy." Part 2
    2. +3
      4 June 2024 08: 29
      Grancer81
      as part of a “hunter-killer” group led by an anti-submarine aircraft carrier.

      And the democrats are doing very well with anti-submarine aircraft.
    3. +1
      4 June 2024 10: 24
      The situation has changed. Carrier-based anti-submarine helicopters have appeared; they did not exist before.
    4. +1
      4 June 2024 10: 55
      Quote: Grencer81
      If we recall the experience of World War II, then in the Atlantic, and also in the Pacific, submarines were afraid not of frigates individually, but as part of a “hunter-killer” group with an anti-submarine aircraft carrier at its head.

      In the Atlantic, the presence of AV PLO is not necessary - the main submarine breakthrough routes and KON routes are tightly blocked by base aviation. However, USN always has UDC.
  5. +4
    4 June 2024 07: 19
    “my neighbor’s dacha burned down – it’s a small thing, but it’s nice”

    Nice feeling, damn it laughing
    But somehow it’s more reminiscent of the saying - “it’s okay that your own cow died, it’s a shame that your neighbor’s cow is alive”
  6. +10
    4 June 2024 07: 23
    When they can’t cope with their own mess, they calm themselves down with stories about someone else’s mess.
  7. +13
    4 June 2024 07: 26
    It seems that for six months or so someone else has been writing articles under Skomorokhov’s name. The new articles simply lack intelligence. “The main enemy of a boat is a small boat...” But who told you that, dear? According to the results of World War II, the maximum submarine losses were from aviation. In our fleet - from min.
    Are 22 Virginias with excellent acoustics not enemies?
    In general, everything was written stupidly and banally by an overly enthusiastic person who decided that the problems of the best shipbuilding industry in the world would delight us. No. The successes of our shipbuilding will bring us delight when the squadron put to sea is capable of acting as a single combat organism. Something like this.
    1. +3
      4 June 2024 11: 03
      Quote: Galleon
      According to the results of World War II, the maximum submarine losses were from aviation.

      Yeah... full control of the water area by base aviation - neither you need to charge the battery, nor you take supplies, even getting in touch is already a problem.
      Plus the route-cleaning or accompanying KON PLOW, whose planes scan the convoy’s bow control stations within a radius of 100-150 miles - preventing the submarine from leaving on the KON course and driving all the underwater underwater, where it floats at 5-6 knots.

      Now submarines have gone from diving to being truly underwater, but the PLO system has also changed. First, “underwater AWACS” in the form of stationary systems and ships with gas-propelled guns gives an approximate square of a possible target. Then a patrolman flies into the square and shoots down barriers, confirming or denying contact. Or a helicopter from the nearest NK. Well, then, when the contact is confirmed, the EDC is clarified and tracking or work to kill.

      The main advantage of anti-aircraft aircraft is the speed of reaching the target area, the size of the patrol area and invulnerability to its enemy.
      1. +4
        4 June 2024 13: 48
        You're right, Alexey. hi everything is according to the textbook. The importance of surface ships for anti-submarine warfare has greatly diminished. Yes, they are the noisiest in this quiet business: the power plant is noisy, the propulsion unit is noisy, the waterline is noisy. Aviation and attack submarines do not have these disadvantages. And their submariners have the means, skills, and experience to monitor our submarines. And here we are talking about frigates... Such rejoicing in other people's failures has never made anyone stronger.
        Is it really that the editors are not able to convey a morally correct message to readers that they are missing such articles? So, you see, soon the authors will begin to rejoice at foreign accidents with victims.
        1. +1
          5 June 2024 11: 26
          Quote: Galleon
          So, you see, soon the authors will begin to rejoice at foreign accidents with victims.

          Soon? The accidents of the same “penguins” have long been a reason to flaunt pseudo-patriotism - they say that the American military-industrial complex has forgotten how to make airplanes, and pilots have forgotten how to fly them.
  8. +4
    4 June 2024 07: 34
    They have problems with the fleet. We have no problems - almost the entire Black Sea Fleet was sunk.
    1. 0
      4 June 2024 10: 09
      No fleet - No problem.
      The only negative is that you will have to look for another excuse for drinking
      1. +1
        4 June 2024 11: 04
        Quote: Ermak_415
        The only negative is that you will have to look for another excuse for drinking

        On recovery failure fleet. ©
  9. +5
    4 June 2024 08: 11
    The United States really has problems building ships for the Navy.
    In addition to problems with the construction of Constellation-class frigates, the commissioning date of the aircraft carrier Enterprise was shifted “to the right” by a year and a half, and the commissioning date of the nuclear submarine District of Columbia was shifted by a year. Construction of the Block IV Virginia nuclear submarine is three years behind schedule, and Block V Virginia is two years behind schedule.
    On the one hand, you can rejoice and throw your caps in the air, but on the other hand, the Americans understand that they have problems. The Secretary of the Navy carried out a forty-five-day audit of the industry and the results were “presented to the general public,” which had never happened before. That is, the scandal is really serious. And there is no doubt that appropriate measures will also be taken to eliminate problems. So it’s still worth holding off on expressions of wild delight.
    1. -6
      4 June 2024 08: 51
      The United States really has problems building ships for the Navy.

      You still have pity on the American fleet laughing
  10. +4
    4 June 2024 08: 51
    You just shouldn’t rejoice at the problems of your enemies, but you need to develop your own shipbuilding. And here we have nothing special to brag about.
  11. +6
    4 June 2024 08: 53
    How humiliating! We don’t want to do anything ourselves, so we’ll be glad that others are doing poorly. But they won’t make things worse for us.
    1. +6
      4 June 2024 11: 05
      Quote: Gardamir
      How humiliating! We don’t want to do anything ourselves, so we’ll be glad that others are doing poorly.

      Reminds me of football: but if they play with these this way, and then these with those that way, then we will come out one-eighth. smile
      1. +1
        4 June 2024 13: 20
        then we will come out to one eighth. smile

        Team "gas-meat" fighting for exit from the fourth division laughing
  12. +3
    4 June 2024 09: 02
    Gentlemen, your mess is very helpful to us!
    It depends on who you apply this phrase to. How can you characterize the repair of the Admiral Nakhimov TARK? For information:"
    On August 19, 2020, Sevmash completed the technological operation to remove it from the loading basin to the outfitting embankment, to carry out the second stage of repair and modernization of the ship. As of spring 2021, Sevmash planned to conduct mooring tests in 2021, and the ship's return to combat service is scheduled for 2023. In 2023, it was stated that the ship's return to combat service is scheduled for 2024.
    In August 2023, it was reported that the cost of repairing and modernizing the ship has doubled since the start of work and has already exceeded 200 billion rubles
    hi
    1. -1
      4 June 2024 11: 11
      Quote: Gomunkul
      It depends on who you apply this phrase to. How can you characterize the repair of the Admiral Nakhimov TARK?

      An absolutely normal picture for the modernization of a ship that has stood at the berth for ten years. Remember "Gorshkov-Vikramaditya" - how many times the cost of modernization had to be increased due to the discovery of new defects during the work.
      Moreover, the contract for the repair of TARKR was concluded in 2013 - at prices of that time.
  13. 0
    4 June 2024 10: 38
    In general, building ships based on unfinished projects is a so-so activity. It is worth remembering the experiment in our Soviet past in the construction of Soviet battleships “Soviet Union” and others like it. There, too, the designers didn’t have time, but it was necessary to lay the construction, because that’s how the matter was set up.

    Project 23 was even more interesting. The ships began construction when there was nothing for them except hull steel.
    There is no armor: the armored factories have not completed the reconstruction.
    There are no guns or turrets.
    SZA and MZA in the design process.
    There are no boilers; the designers and the plant missed all deadlines due to workload.
    GTZA - there are only Swiss ones, the domestic plant avoided concluding an agreement, and it is impossible to put pressure on it, since all capacities are occupied by GTZA for KRL pr. 68.
    SUAO... well, in theory there is something.
    Shipbuilders - factories are only 50% staffed.
    For the two “northern” LC there was not even a shipbuilding plant - plant 402, even as of June 1941, was only 50% complete. It’s no wonder that of these two LKs, only one remained: “Soviet Belarus” had to be dismantled due to massive defects during riveting.

    And LK pr. 23 construction was stopped precisely at the stage when the most interesting thing was supposed to begin - when the systems and mechanisms designed and embodied in hardware were supposed to meet with the body built according to the original design. laughing
  14. +2
    4 June 2024 10: 43
    What then is this, God forgive me, frigate for?

    For the Second Fleet. Which actually has no ships to control the ASW line in the North Atlantic. LCS, which according to plans were to replace the OCP, are unsuitable for ocean-going ASW. And distracting “Burkey” with this is too fat even for the USA.
    1. 0
      4 June 2024 20: 44
      Quote: Alexey RA
      For the Second Fleet. Which actually has no ships to control the ASW line in the North Atlantic.
      Look for a video of how our 22350 stormed in the North Atlantic... Forget it. Less than 6000 tons is not enough for the ocean. Or better yet - 8000.
      1. 0
        5 June 2024 11: 11
        Quote: bk0010
        Look for a video of how our 22350 stormed in the North Atlantic...

        Pfff... in those parts, the “case for Polynom” pr. 1155 was storming so much that from the “Kuznetsov” it seemed that it was about to be buried in the waves. But nothing, I came to the base.
        Quote: bk0010
        Fuck it. Less than 6000 tons is not enough for the ocean. Or better yet - 8000.

        Compared to the standard USN frigates of previous years, the same operational equipment, the new frigates are practically destroyers. But they served in the same area.
  15. -5
    4 June 2024 11: 28
    "Bjerki" in terms of PLO, just not very good. They have the minimum necessary for self-defense and nothing more. "Constellations" with the GAK-GPBA were exactly what was required for the PLO. Although at speeds above 26 knots. and GPBA and the sensitivity of receivers is a very big question.
  16. +1
    4 June 2024 11: 49
    >Who is the main enemy of a submarine? That's right, a small but decently equipped frigate-type ship.

    Is it true? And I thought they were hunter submarines that land on the SSGN’s tail shortly after leaving the port.
    1. +3
      4 June 2024 12: 21
      And we thought it was aviation and there it is
    2. 0
      5 June 2024 11: 37
      The main enemy of the submarine is the anti-aircraft defense system. You can get away from individual NKs, nuclear submarines and aircraft. But when all this is connected into a single system in which the PLO lines are built, all detections are recorded, all confirmed targets are tracked, and in case of loss of contact, additional forces are sent for restoration, when there is a single control center - then the Khan’s submarine.
  17. -4
    4 June 2024 12: 12
    The saying is truly true: “if God wants to punish someone, he deprives him of his mind.”
    For a little over a hundred years, this country acted as a locomotive of both economic and technical development.
    Many, many things, objects and technologies appeared thanks to the USA.
    Now, no matter how you look at them, you can’t do without laughing. lol
    He chases failure after failure after failure.
    Degenerate, however.
    As they say, we merged for the long haul. fellow laughing
    1. 0
      5 June 2024 23: 17
      Quote: K-50
      ...Now, no matter how you look at them, you can’t do without laughing.
      He chases failure after failure after failure.
      well...you haven’t yet looked closely at the “successes” of USC in your homeland... wink
      although on the other hand, there is of course hope that some figures from the USC could be introduced to them (in the USA) ... winked
  18. +1
    4 June 2024 12: 20
    Everyone knows how it ended.

    And how did it end?
  19. +5
    4 June 2024 12: 41
    Recently tanks and bombers were buried. Now the American fleet is being buried. In practice, the dead are in no hurry to go to their graves. Maybe we can save money on the funeral?
    1. +6
      4 June 2024 13: 29
      Recently tanks and bombers were buried.
      You forgot to mention the dollar, it has also been buried more than once.
      1. +4
        4 June 2024 14: 09
        Yes, and also European industry and the Europeans themselves (“they will soon freeze”).
  20. -1
    4 June 2024 14: 15
    In my opinion, Petrov and Bashirov registered with the American Admiralty.
    1. -1
      5 June 2024 15: 05
      Quote from solist2424
      In my opinion, Petrov and Bashirov registered with the American Admiralty.

      PMSM, they took consultants from our Navy.
      Well, this is the national trick of the RIF, the USSR Navy and the Russian Navy - to take a ready-made project, according to which several ships were built, and instead of continuing the series, start improving it. The result is small-scale production, variety of types, and delayed construction.
      A clinical case is “big pots”: in projects 1143 and 1144 there is not a single ship that is completely identical to its brother in the series - all ships are built according to unique subprojects. Or you can remember how, as a result of work on the TTT at the RKR, unified with Project 1134B in everything except the “main caliber,” Project 1164 was obtained. smile
  21. +1
    4 June 2024 20: 42
    Who is the main enemy of a submarine? That's right, a small but decently equipped frigate-type ship.
    Incorrect: anti-submarine aircraft.
    All naval analysts in the United States are shaken by the news that future Constellation-class frigates may have their top speed reduced to compensate for the unexpected increase in their overall weight.
    Wow! And I already wrote here earlier that having five dozen Berks there is no need to build this stump. Simply because if you try to stuff him with weapons (albeit in smaller quantities) and equipment from the Berks, you will either get the same Berk or a freak. And you won’t save a thing.
    And the virtually unprotected 200-mile zone and beyond is nice.
    Oh, poor things! Almost unprotected! Just a bunch of large surface ships, submarines, anti-submarine aircraft and stationary hydrophones! How will they survive without several frigates?!!
  22. +1
    4 June 2024 20: 58
    We are discussing “views” of other people’s shipbuilding programs, like views of a parsley harvest on a neighbor’s property... The West + the USA have proven more than once that when they are “strongly needed” they can quickly and worthily implement their plans and decisions in “marble and bronze "in a fairly short time... PAK YES, in the USA, the 6th generation fighter is already undergoing factory tests - the avant-project is ready... The industry is ready to present a lightweight "Abrams" to the Pentagon... The Czechs have good groundwork for cannon artillery.. Britain is preparing a new highly economical turboprop aircraft engine.. I could go on, but I don’t want to... I would like us to look confidently into the future (like in the USSR), build an ocean-going multifunctional fleet and the best aviation with cannon-rocket artillery. They were not afraid to hit opponents in the face on all continents without regard to the world community...