What's the answer? "Red line" or nuclear strike?

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What's the answer? "Red line" or nuclear strike?

So they keep coming and ending up somewhere. “They” - it’s clear that they are unmanned aerial vehicles that are getting further and further from the hypothetical border of Ukraine and Russia.

Orenburg region - no, look at the map, it will become completely clear that not everything is as simple as we would like.




We can talk a lot about the fact that we are surrounded by enemies on all sides, but it is more worth looking at those who, through the mouth of Captain Zheglov, “His passport does not say that he is a bandit, but, on the contrary, it is written that he is a citizen, lives according to what Somebody Krivokolenny, 5, he has a residence permit.”

And it is completely clear that now, unfortunately, we have a little more of these citizens than are enough for life to become less calm. I’m not even talking about Orenburg; there have been events in less distant areas of the country before, but we won’t talk about them now. I sincerely sympathize with the FSB employees, because their work today is calmer in the cauldron of hell.

But another drone fell on May 26 in the Orenburg region, not far from the village of Gorkovskoye, Novoorsky district. The next day, local media issued a very cautious report: the drone fell, but no civilian objects were damaged. I wonder what about military installations? What’s going on with them? I’m especially interested in the condition of the Voronezh-M over-the-horizon radar, which has been operating there since 2017. One might say – the newest station.

In general, the attack is not very logical. "Voronezh" in the Orsk region monitors the missile situation from the Taklamakan desert (China) to the sea coast of Syria. The fact that something could fly from this sector in our direction is very unlikely, but the European direction or the Arctic Ocean zone somehow looks more reasonable.

Oil industry? Yes, in Orsk there is such an enterprise as Orsknefteorgsintez, one of the largest in Russia. Processes 6,5 million tons of oil per year. And since it has now become fashionable to send drones to the oil refining complex, one would think that the device was flying there. But no. No matter where the drone was flying from, if it was flying towards the plant, it would deviate from the course by 30 kilometers no matter which side you look at, even from Kazakhstan. That is, it is still a radar.

The possibility of an attack from the territory of Kazakhstan should also not be ruled out, and this is not a matter of claims against the Republic of Kazakhstan; they could have used the territory “in the dark,” as, for example, in the case of the truck bombing on the Crimean Bridge. There the cargo passed through so many countries...

Moreover, the attempt to disable the radar near Orsk happened almost immediately after the attack on a similar Voronezh-DM facility near Armavir, Krasnodar Territory. The sector of operation of this radar, from the south of Spain to Central Asia, slightly overlapped with the area of ​​​​responsibility of the station near Orsk.

If you believe the telegram channel of Dmitry Rogozin, where photos of the radar station in Armavir were published, then there is damage to the casing there. In fact, it's really not critical. The drone will not take a large explosive charge, and small ones have nothing to do there; radars have (this has been said many times) a modular structure, so replacing a damaged part of the complex if repairs cannot be done can be done without any problems.

The question is: why does the Ukrainian Armed Forces practice attacks on Russia’s strategic military infrastructure, which is actually located hundreds and thousands of kilometers from the front line?

And why would Ukraine disable Russian radars that can track missile launches over vast distances? The whole point here is that these radars do not work in Ukraine, the distances are not the same and the tracking objects are also not the same.

And the first to be attacked was a radar in the city of Kovylkino in the Republic of Mordovia more than a month ago. This is the 29B6 “Container” radar, also an over-the-horizon early warning radar. And a drone was coming at him, but it didn’t hit him. “Container”... it is sparse, unlike “Voronezh”.


Transmitting part of the "Container"


Receiving part of the "Container"

In general, “Container” and “Voronezh” appeared almost at the same time, 2006-2013. This is the third generation of Soviet over-the-horizon tracking systems (after Dnepr and Daryal), which form a unified tracking and warning system.


"Voronezh"

In general, of course, the choice of Ukrainian drone pilots or saboteurs is strange. From a tactical point of view, it does not provide any advantages to the Ukrainian Armed Forces at all. No satisfaction at all, not even moral satisfaction, since a drone is nothing like that weapon, which is capable of displaying such a complex as an over-the-horizon radar.

This begs the question - why?


The answer is complex and simple at the same time. Someone, using the wrong hands, taking advantage of the conflict in Ukraine, is “testing the teeth” of our missile defense system. It is clear who benefits from this, and why Ukrainian (or Ukrainian?) resources are used is also no secret.

It is clear that the interest here is primarily American-British, and not Ukrainian. The Ukrainian Armed Forces do not have missiles capable of hitting targets at great distances. And it won’t happen simply because the aerospace rocket industry in this country has died. Well, since there are no missiles, then there’s nothing to talk about.

Let me emphasize that we are talking about medium- and long-range missiles, which are precisely what over-the-horizon radars in Russia operate against.

But to the Americans, yes, they are very interested. And even during raids drones with 5-10 kg of explosives, they receive very valuable information. To what extent it is possible to disable the complex, how long it will take to repair it, and to what extent Russia will generally react to a blow to its strategic weapons system.

Indeed, very important information. And what is it like to ruin even ten of the most expensive drones to get it?

The interest here is more political than military. A test for the tooth, and nothing else. Under such circumstances, it is simply necessary to strengthen the protection of long-range detection and warning systems. On the one hand, this does not seem to be difficult, we have only 7 Voronezh-type radars of all modifications and 2 Container-type radars. That is, only nine. On the other hand, it will require very tight cover of both the complexes themselves and the calculations, which are no less valuable than the equipment they control.

Nine air defense divisions are nine divisions, whatever one may say. And they may be more useful in completely different places, such as Belgorod. But strategic complexes are no less important infrastructure.
And the very fact of an attack on it makes us think deeply about what is behind the drone attempts. After all, no one will develop and carry out an attack on missile defense systems solely to show off their capabilities. On the contrary, it is a 100% study of the enemy’s capabilities.

Agree, it is ridiculous to believe that in Kyiv it occurred to someone to organize the delivery of drones over such a considerable distance and try to hit the radar. It is clear that the order is a recommendation and support using the same low-orbit satellites owned by the United States.

Here you need to think about something else. More precisely, about two things at once.

The first is that three attacks have already been carried out on our strategic complexes. Two unsuccessful and one with a small degree of probability. But - three. Considering that we still have complexes in Kaliningrad, in the Leningrad region and so on, that is, in areas where there is a possibility of a Ukrainian drone with an explosive charge appearing, a fourth, a fifth, and so on can easily be added to the three attacks. So far, as they say, it won’t work.

The second is how to react to such things. Yes, it stems from the first, but it is clear that pretending that nothing is happening is a completely wrong way.

We need to react. Moreover, in such a way that those who try to carry out such operations once and for all understand the inferiority of their actions.

Let me digress with an example. In our region there have been many cases of attempts to set fire to relay cabinets on the railway. So many. I don’t know how much money and time the Southern Eastern Railway spent on installing surveillance cameras, but pyromaniacs began to appear. Mostly minors who did not have the proper IQ and were ready to burn cabinets for 10-15 thousand rubles that would come from the other side.

There are literally a few criminal cases that have not received wide publicity - and as if by magic, the number of people wishing to earn money in this way began to rapidly decline.

The real possibility of being caught and thrust into the millstones of justice (and the articles there are more than ugly) very sharply reduced the cost of 10 thousand rubles, which Ukrainians were ready to pay for arson.

In principle, with cabinets it’s the same “thousand pricks” tactic. Cabinets were on fire, schedules were disrupted, trains were idle. Military personnel. And with the radar it was about the same calico: one, two drones at a time, they were sent out for an hour, for a day, for a week. And so it will be, they, that is, the Americans, will study the very possibility of disabling such an important system in missile defense as the early warning system.

Why is also clear. Suddenly “blind” radars that “will not see” missile launches from the other side will cost any sacrifice. But in our case, everything is done by strangers, that is, by Ukrainian hands, and it seems like no claims can be made against anyone. It's still war.

Here we need “red lines” that are not disgusting to everyone; here, excuse me, we need red snot from those who carry and launch drones, tying them to other people’s satellites.

The answer is very necessary. Precisely so that they are afraid of the consequences. They were very afraid. Moreover, both performers and organizers.

The situation with the performers is not very good, they are more afraid of their military registration and enlistment offices than of the advancing Russian units, this is a fact that cannot be refuted by anything. But those who act on orders overseas must be afraid of the consequences of their launches. And those who direct the performers, the customers, should also be afraid of the consequences. It doesn’t matter from our side or from the performers who will receive an answer from our side.


The enemy must live in fear


We have already done a lot of harm to ourselves by drawing “red lines.” The media around the world have already openly laughed at our Foreign Ministry.

It is unacceptable. When your opponent respects you, that’s good. It's noble. When the enemy is afraid of you, it is more effective.

It is very difficult to say what the response to an attack on our strategic targets should be, but it should be terrible. So that next time no one would think of sending a drone, say, to Kaliningrad.

I don’t want to talk about the use of tactical nuclear weapons; this, of course, is overkill. And besides, it is possible to intimidate Ukrainians in this way. But there will be Kazakhs who with great pleasure will launch a drone towards Orsk again. Or someone in Transcaucasia.

It is necessary to make it clear that any encroachment on Russia’s strategic objects will lead to clearly fatal consequences. And so that everything is clear.

Over the past two years, so many “red lines” have been drawn, so many empty promises have been made, that it is simply shameful. And it was precisely the fact that our responsible officials made loud statements about “adequate tough responses” and all the words, without exception, remained just words, brought the situation to the point that it flew across the Kremlin.

Now our strategic radars are being “trained”. What's next? Probably, it is necessary to light up the Nudoli missile silo so that movements to rectify the situation will finally begin? Or according to the General Staff. It's hard to say what will be more valuable in tomorrow's world.

But we need to give those who are testing the strength of Russia’s strategic defense a slap on the wrist. If they don’t want to respect you, they will be afraid.
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  1. +24
    3 June 2024 05: 09
    Here we need “red lines” that are not disgusting to everyone, here, excuse me, we need red snot

    General Staff, SBU, intelligence - to zero! Well, the “birds” over the Black Sea should also be reset.
    1. +35
      3 June 2024 07: 05
      What do you mean, these are American birds, they are untouchable. This is the logic of our Kremlin inmates.
      1. -3
        3 June 2024 12: 13
        Actually in the world there is a certain pro-American “International Organization of Migration” (IOM), which is funded by the World Bank and the British government in cooperation with the US Foreign Office on Islamization France, Germany (posters “Merkel is the mother of migrants”), Russia and other rich countries in favor of the USA and American trans-Atlantic companies.
        Russia, under Russian President Medvedev, in 2007 signed an agreement with the IOM, which is inherently non-SOVEREIGN for Russia, to accept foreign migrants from poor countries in Central Asia and the Caucasus for resettlement in its country. Namely, IOM obliged the Russian government to resettle peoples in Russia from Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Armenia...
        And at the same time it was said literally at all not about Russia satisfying its supposed need for labor migrants, but quite the opposite about the resettlement of Asian peoples from these impoverished countries to the Russian Federation - to relieve supposedly social tension in these impoverished countries from the surplus population, relocating them to rich Russia with the replacement of the indigenous population of Russia by Asians.

        Thus, in Russia since 2007, as a result of such a pro-Western migration policy of the liberal left-wing globalists - the organizers of the IOM and their adherents both in the West and in Russia itself - According to the IOM plan, the government of the Russian Federation in Russia has and is undergoing IMPORT REPLACEMENT of the indigenous peoples of Russia by Asians - and, first of all, REPLACEMENT of the state-forming RUSSIAN people by Asians.
        At the same time, the ideological roots of interethnic EXCESSES of such parasitic IMPORT SUBSTITUTION of Russians by Asians go back to the incorrect interethnic policy of Lenin himself, who in his work “On the National Pride of the Great Russians” stated that all Great Russians (including ordinary proletarians) must sacrifice themselves and repay debts to the “oppressed” foreigners from the royal outskirts in the former Republic of Ingushetia.
        And in this RUCSOPHOBIC historical paradigm of the Bolsheviks-Leninists, the pro-Western liberal government of Russia and the authorities of the former Soviet republics under the oligarchic post-Soviet system continue to exist.
        That is why there is no talk of any simplified repatriation of Russians to the Russian Federation - according to the Treaty of the Russian Federation with the IOM - in Russia. Alas, this is precisely the underwater part of the iceberg of many years of uncontrolled foreign migration policy by the government, the State Duma and the Federation Council of the Russian Federation.

        About Russia and IOM Russia, see video -
        Matveev. According to whose guidelines migrants enter Russia. Britain's plan is “Russian Islam”.


        Since YouTube cuts off the information on this video, it is better to watch this video in more COMPLETE and DETAILED ways. on zen - Matveev. According to whose guidelines migrants enter Russia. Britain's plan - "Russian Islam" - https://dzen.ru/video/watch/662ab2ebbcec5731e5e75b43?clid=1400&rid=1666416394.59.1714587278697.45201&t=1
        To open the video you need to:
        1 Select the electronic link to this video and right-click on it. A window will open.
        2. Find the command in the window
        Открыть - https://dzen.ru/video/watch/662ab2ebbcec5731e5e75b43?clid=1400&rid=1666416394.59.1714587278697.45201&t=1
        and click on it with the left mouse button.
        1. +2
          3 June 2024 12: 51
          The fact that Russia is already politically on its knees before migrants was also expressed by a very competent political scientist, Andrei Perla, who, by the way, is Jewish by nationality.
          At the same time, in defense of the Great Russians (Russians) from genocide by foreigners, the political scientist very correctly said the following:
          Russia owes everything?<...>
          Grandfather Lenin, he created his famous work “On the National Pride of the Great Russians.” Roughly speaking, about that the Great Russians owe everything in the space of the former Russian Empire. So what The resources of the Great Russians and, in fact, of Russia, they should be aimed at the benefit of the national borderlands, from where Russia draws what it needs. And from this point of view they should under no circumstances be colonies, but should be as they would say now, areas of priority, primary development at the expense of indigenous Russia... And although this is not said out loud, but <...> up to this day, Russia behaves as if it owes something and repays its debt to those peoples who were once included in Russia,
          See details - https://dzen.ru/a/ZjTY3w4VRhAnCHQt

          And also see in detail the full video with Pearl - Russia is politically on its knees to migrants. It’s time to demonstratively punish the diaspora first of all .23 April 2024 - https://dzen.ru/video/watch/6627ea4296aa05367b4a8b73
        2. Qas
          -3
          3 June 2024 12: 58
          What kind of crazy nonsense...
          1. +4
            3 June 2024 13: 06
            Quote: Qas
            What kind of crazy nonsense...

            And what do you think this “delusional nonsense” consists of?
        3. 0
          3 June 2024 23: 00
          Quote: Tatiana
          Russia under Russian President Medvedev in 2007

          Well, actually, in 2007, Medvedev was not even close to being president.
          1. +2
            4 June 2024 00: 41
            Yes you are right!
            Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev served as President of the Russian Federation from May 7, 2008 to May 7, 2012. (For some reason I corrected the previous number 8 in my commentary to 7.)

            The International Organization for Migration (IOM) was created in 1951 in Brussels to regulate migrant flows in Europe after World War II. Now IOM is developing international migration legislation, organizing discussions, preparing recommendations on migration policy issues and protecting the rights of migrants. Russia, as a UN member, has also interacted with the IOM as an observer since 1992.

            To become a full member of the IOM in Russia, it was necessary to accept the IOM charter, which was adopted by Federal Law of April 5, 2021 N 60-FZ “On the adoption by the Russian Federation of the Charter of the International Organization for Migration.”

            President Vladimir Putin instructed the government to arrange for Russia’s full membership in the IOM in August 2020. At the same time, the President instructed the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Labor to ensure Russia’s effective participation in the work of the organization, taking into account national interests.

            According to the Migration and Law Network, before the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, there were up to 12 million labor migrants and up to 400 thousand illegal refugees in Russia (people who were denied asylum, but remained in Russia illegally). There are 487 people living in Russia with refugee status, 42 thousand with temporary asylum status, 40 thousand of whom are citizens of Ukraine.

            According to the Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN Office in Geneva
            Gennady Gatilov, Russia “actively participates in migration processes, annually hosting about 10 million migrants.”

            See details - https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4584964
      2. +2
        3 June 2024 21: 39
        Quote: Dimy4
        This is the logic of our Kremlin inmates.

        If only they had. Nightingale was ranting here (cursing armchair experts, from whom he himself is not much different) - we do not take into account the damage (the amers of the hucksters take the damage into account), we think strategically, so as not to succumb to provocation. wassat Doesn't this remind you of 41? And here is a classic of the genre: in order to carry out a strike with strategic missiles, you need to destroy them - their detection systems and means of destruction. So they are looking for the best option so that it is cheap and cheerful. hi
    2. +29
      3 June 2024 07: 15
      So that the former “partners” no longer even think about attacking our strategic missile targets, it is necessary for unknown drones to do the same with the missile defense position area in Alaska, and the Houthis can also hit these missile launchers in Romania and Poland... There must be an answer! Otherwise, the blows against us will only increase!!
      1. +14
        3 June 2024 07: 56
        I propose to rent Tu-160 with missiles to the Houthis. And let the Houthis destroy some aircraft carrier.


        Yes, a rented plane will launch missiles from Russian territory. Let's allow it.
        1. -8
          3 June 2024 20: 25
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          I propose to rent Tu-160 with missiles to the Houthis. And let the Houthis destroy some aircraft carrier.

          To them you are a dirty infidel, why on earth would they pull chestnuts out of the fire for you? Even if you circumcise yourself right down to your tonsils, you will never become one of them. So staaaa.... myself
      2. +13
        3 June 2024 10: 31
        I agree with you.
        It is obvious that the United States is behind sabotage at strategic sites. Air defense defense around over-the-horizon radars is good. good
        But this is just defense. negative
        The best defense is an attack. good
        The attack must be completely on enemy territory: the United States, the European Union. By someone else's hands. Agents. Proxy.
        Where can I get abandoned agents?
        And they are already there. Syrians, Chechens. They must be recruited, paid, armed, supplied, put into action.
        Remember how the Chechens detonated an IED at the marathon in the USA?
        As a result of two Chechen wars, many Chechens ended up abroad, and not all of them live in chocolate. They probably have relatives in Chechnya. Ramzan-Hadji Kadyrov is quite capable of creating an intelligence network for an amnesty and a reward. The same goes for Bashar al-Assad.
        And then beautiful footage of “supposedly ISIS fighters” shouting Allah Akbar will appear on the Internet, destroying oil refineries in Europe with Javelins. You can use kamikaze drones against some Ramstein. There are many other options for a beautiful picture: the Olympics in France, the football championship in Germany.
        If our enemies are attacked on their territory, they will no longer have time for us.
        1. +2
          3 June 2024 11: 51
          And they are already there. Syrians, Chechens.
          Changing a well-fed life on social housing benefits to prison and deportation of the stupid is not among them. And those Chechens who live in the West treat Kadyrov, let’s say, without respect.
          1. -1
            9 June 2024 10: 55
            Yes, really just hold on to benefits... ??? But where then do terrorist attacks occur from time to time? Then a truck drives through the crowd, then they start throwing knives at passers-by... probably they're cutting benefits?
            1. 0
              9 June 2024 10: 58
              Do terrorist attacks happen from time to time?
              From time to time, mass shootings occur in the United States. But terrorist attacks in Europe occur much less frequently than dear forum members would like. But they have absolutely no need to blow up something for the needs of Russia.
              1. 0
                9 June 2024 16: 20
                Yes, I think they don’t care for whose needs it is to blow up... the main thing is to interest them... this is a double-edged sword... jihadists can be used not only against us, but also against them...
                1. -1
                  9 June 2024 20: 04
                  I don't think they care
                  Attempts to find comrades-in-arms among sheep lovers cannot but touch smile .
                  1. -1
                    11 June 2024 06: 15
                    what kind of associates are we talking about? Do you think the Americans are looking for comrades among them if they use them for their own purposes?
      3. +2
        3 June 2024 16: 04
        Well, what other Houthis? Dig up a dozen swifts from warehouses, stuff them with brains from AliExpress, paint them with tridents and banderas, and send them over radar from somewhere on the Kursk border. The boys were in the wrong direction, it doesn’t happen to anyone!
    3. -2
      3 June 2024 11: 01
      I have a logical question for you - do you think that if we could strike at the targets you indicated - headquarters, “decision-making centers”, etc., we wouldn’t strike? The question is not only purely technical, but also political...
      The author is right that the answer to the question “why are they trying to hit” is simple and complicated at the same time... simple - after all, there are a whole bunch of reasons, but also complicated for this reason... and no, it’s not the British or the Americans at all, I don’t believe in “sudden nuclear strike”, even if we don’t have boring radars at all... simply because there are other countries with nuclear weapons (China, for example), which need to be informed in advance about a “sudden strike”, otherwise they might shoot back... and if Two people know about something, everyone knows about it... and secondly, this is a banal bureaucratic procedure, a lot of all sorts of protocols, orders of readiness, etc... the situation should (my personal opinion) be in a spiral, escalating step by step - like during the Caribbean crisis -they are a step, we are a step, they are a step, etc.
      Regarding the pluses and meanings of the blows for Kyiv:
      1) removal of air defense systems from other objects and covering the radar. Kyiv is clearly actively undertaking to terrorize our air defense... videos are circulating on the Internet that “completely do not confirm” the defeat of at least 2 S-400 batteries of “Laos” in territory that has not been well recognized in the world since 2014...
      2) financial - such radars are expensive, problems seem to start with finances, but the military is very fond of the protocol... conditionally: the golden radar, which is directed to the earth's core, should work according to the protocol, even if there is a chance of an attack by Shredder from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (I'm talking about the cartoon from 90s) you can say negative, which means the radar will work, even if the cost of repairs is like a couple of annual budgets... a protocol is a protocol
      3) Kyiv really wants to show its allies that additional supplies will not lead to escalation, with it certainly... this is one of the ways. In politics, how is it - if the issue is not discussed, then no one will say “NO”, they just don’t discuss it and that’s it, but if they say “NO”, then it can be understood as “we are already looking for opportunities and reasons”... how many times have we did you see? If no one plans to transfer ships for the Navy to Kyiv, then this is not discussed. But they wanted to give us planes, tanks, missiles, etc., so they did, yes, at first they said “never!” No way!”, but in the end they gave it... that’s how politics works, you need to warm up public opinion and the bureaucratic apparatus first, find a reason... because such blows allow you to raise a topic like “we definitely won’t give this!” and start discussing increasing the range.
      4) even if we react, this will only give an excuse to turn the “no” from point 3 into “already set”...
      1. 0
        9 June 2024 11: 00
        I wonder... if they tried to do the same thing with the Soviet Union... what would the answer be? would you look at politics? an attempt at similar actions in relation to the USSR almost led to the beginning of World War 3... but the Americans took a step back... and if it continues as it is now... they are 3 steps forward and we are one step back with our red pencil, then this is not good definitely won't give
    4. +7
      3 June 2024 15: 20
      You are 100% right. Birds over the Black Sea should be multiplied by zero. It has ripened a long time ago, like boil, in a soft place. It's time to open it.
      1. +4
        3 June 2024 21: 11
        The multiplication of birds by the Kremlin’s Western partners will spoil the negotiating background. But the Commander-in-Chief does not want victory, but an agreement, which he repeats endlessly to his Western partners, and they, like true patriots of Russia, abandon him over and over again.
        1. +3
          5 June 2024 15: 19
          And the weaker side always asks for negotiations. Therefore, I am surprised by the constant plea for negotiations from the Supreme.
          1. +3
            5 June 2024 15: 25
            The Supreme General has a wagon and a small cart. He simultaneously fights with the Satanists and asks them to negotiate. They also laugh at Biden's dementia.
  2. +3
    3 June 2024 05: 24
    Essentially, it all comes down to information.
    Who launched it and from where.
    Who made the decisions and where.
    But intelligence, no matter how smart it is, cannot be “everywhere” globally.
    God grant that the agents work in key structures and provide the necessary minimum of strategic and operational information.
    Technically, we need means of monitoring low-flying miniature devices.
    But this is still not possible in the modern world.
    It remains to organize parts of VNOS, and voluntary squads of pioneers and pensioners for sky observation.
    1. +11
      3 June 2024 05: 36
      there is no way to deal with this in the modern world

      In the modern world, everything is fine with this (the Houthis failed to do anything), but in one large country there is really a problem...
      1. 0
        3 June 2024 20: 39
        What can I say? And this is all because those at the top don’t give a damn about it. They don’t care. And in this regard, nothing will change..
  3. +46
    3 June 2024 05: 24
    Over the past two years, so many “red lines” have been drawn, so many empty promises have been made, that it is simply embarrassing.


    All of Russia will subscribe to these words.

    In fact, Ukraine is already fully integrated into NATO, and on the most favorable terms for the bloc. Kyiv not only regularly follows all instructions, but also shows initiative. The cherished dream of several generations of Western strategists has come true. NATO missiles are on the Ukrainian-Russian border, and nothing prevents NATO from deploying missiles there with a range of not 300, but 500 or more km.

    Kyiv is giving away the cheapest thing for itself - the lives of soldiers. And NATO soldiers, sitting in cozy offices, are attacking Russia. At the same time, no fifth article applies to Ukraine.

    De facto, NATO is fighting against the Russian Federation, but we are not against it.

    This is the result of our policy
    1. +6
      3 June 2024 09: 06
      This leads to the most famous questions: who is to blame and what to do? We ourselves know who is to blame (if anyone doesn’t know, let him remember where Prigozhin directed his columns), but what to do now?
      Options: use nuclear weapons or not use them.
      Taking into account the determination of our leadership to use nuclear weapons and their desire to conduct a humane war (new things in military affairs are a topic for a separate discussion), there is no need to wait for a nuclear warning strike.
      Do not apply: if we do not want to give up and hand over everything and everyone, we need to carry out another mobilization, negotiate with China, Iran, and the DPRK on the transfer of various weapons to us to supply new troops (we still do not have enough of our own capacities), and - to the front. The front should pass along Sumy, Chernigov, from the Union State, the Black Sea - everywhere. Then we will win. If the army reaches 2,5-3 million, we will win quickly. Western armies are unlikely to get under such a skating rink, but here you have to look
      1. +8
        3 June 2024 10: 26
        Just wait a minute with your nuclear weapons, unlike you, I haven’t dug up an anti-nuclear bunker yet.
      2. +11
        3 June 2024 10: 55
        The whole question is that, after more than 2 years of SVO, what Victory is is not known.

        Perhaps this is the first precedent in world history and military art. However, in Russian fairy tales there is such a thing: go there, not knowing where, bring something, I don’t know what.
        1. +4
          3 June 2024 20: 43
          Why is it not known? This Victory is celebrated in Washington. And the two neighbors continue to destroy each other..
          1. +1
            5 June 2024 15: 23
            The cunning Anglo-Saxons nevertheless dragged us into the war. I must admit, they did it well and almost for free.
        2. 0
          4 June 2024 15: 56
          The question is, of course, a serious one, and it’s probably not about art. Victory is when not a single enemy even thinks about shelling, killing our citizens, sabotage, etc. Because it’s scary. Even better is when the enemy is destroyed. The Soviet Union, in its best years, almost achieved victory. They didn’t dare bomb us, but they still constantly tested our strength with various sabotage missions, reconnaissance flights, spies, crises in our (then) friendly countries, etc. They even organized wars on the territories of third countries. But then there was a Union with incomparable military resources, a peacetime army of 4 million people, and a huge budget. To begin with, we need to strive for such a result that the battle in Ukraine ends with a clear advantage, and then we’ll see
      3. -1
        5 June 2024 15: 35
        And what does Prigozhin have to do with it? He is a traitor, a scoundrel and a murderer, no matter what his goals are. And the goals were clearly not about saving the Fatherland and the good of the people. And those who followed him are also traitors.
        1. +2
          6 June 2024 08: 15
          This text is not about Prigozhin, but about who is to blame and where the root of the problems is. But the personality of Prigozhin himself is not so clear, and then answer himself to such questions: who was the creator of PMC Wagner? Who armed PMC Wagner? Who assigned the Wagners a defensive sector at the front? Why did a structure appear at the front during the war that was not subordinate to the Ministry of Defense? Who financed the PMC, and why were the soldiers paid “salaries” in cash? Why wasn’t Prigozhin put on the wanted list and put on trial (if he is such a traitor)? Why did the plane crash happen and why are there no results of the investigation in the mass media (for example, I haven’t heard anything)
  4. -17
    3 June 2024 05: 27
    I’m not hinting at anything, but the Malva artillery complex, capable of firing nuclear ammunition, was delivered to the area of ​​the North Military District.

    Link: https://www.mk.ru/politics/2024/06/02/strana-rossiya-dostavila-na-front-sposobnoe-strelyat-yadernymi-boepripasami-orudie.html
    1. +28
      3 June 2024 06: 44
      I’m not hinting at anything, but the Malva artillery complex, capable of firing nuclear ammunition, was delivered to the area of ​​the North Military District.


      I’m not hinting at anything, but a dozen types of equipment capable of delivering nuclear weapons have already been used in the Northern Military District zone.
      1. +2
        3 June 2024 11: 32
        I’m not hinting at anything, but a dozen types of equipment capable of delivering nuclear weapons have already been used in the Northern Military District zone.

        hi
        Off the top of my head: Acacia, Places S/B, Hyacinth, Peony, Tulip....
        Daggers, Iskanders, Calibers, Onyxes, etc.
        Aviation bombs in a form factor comparable to FAB up to 1,5 tons to attach a control and adjustment module.
        And this is not all where you can add “tactical” nuclear filling. Same drone for example
  5. +14
    3 June 2024 05: 27
    the author did not provide any specifics about what measures could be taken for attacks on our strategic military targets.
    I don’t understand at all why there are no UAVs of ours over Kiev, there is no hunt for their highest bureaucrats, they come to them calmly and meet them right away almost in the square in full view of everyone,
    in response to terror we need the same kind of terror, not snot.
    1. +21
      3 June 2024 05: 32
      why are there no UAVs of ours over Kiev, no hunt for their highest bureaucrats

      Because the Ukrainians were allowed, but we weren’t
      P.S. And as a hint, there was still no connection 2 years ago...
      1. 0
        3 June 2024 08: 06
        Vladimir80

        Because the Ukrainians were allowed, but we weren’t


        What's the answer? "Red line" ........


        ....In connection with the constant mentions and discussions of “red lines”, there is a feeling that there are special rules for the conduct of the SVO. And apparently internationally recognized, since they are violated, and this is condemned. Well, like in boxing, for example... like: you can strike to the body and head, but not to the back of the head and below the belt.
        If anyone has come across such documents, please share the link..
        p.s. just a link to the documents themselves regulating the use of weapons, ammunition, and locations of strikes, and not to discussions about this ...
        Thanks in advance .
        1. +1
          3 June 2024 08: 09
          there is a feeling that there are special rules for conducting it for SVO

          it seems so to you, rather, there are instructions “who should do what”, the final goals are most likely written down there... perhaps these instructions (the script) were rewritten a little along the way... don’t ask who the author of this script is...
          1. 0
            3 June 2024 08: 39
            Vladimir80

            rather, there are instructions “who should do what”, and most likely the final goals are also spelled out there...


            Apparently these instructions were agreed upon with all parties participating in the SVO, because everything is going according to schedule, strictly according to plan....
            Why then so much negativity in the article and discussions? ......apparently from ignorance of this very “instruction”.
            1. 0
              3 June 2024 09: 24
              instructions have been agreed upon with all parties involved in the CBO

              and you are a joker, one overseas country wrote a script (instructions, for each participant in the conflict - their own), promised immunity to the main characters, the third bell rang, and .....
              p.s. I'm exaggerating, of course, but from my sofa, in general terms, it looks exactly like this...
        2. -1
          3 June 2024 21: 46
          https://www.un.org/ru/documents/decl_conv/conventions/geneva_civilian.shtml
          https://www.icrc.org/ru/doc/assets/files/2013/ap_i_rus.pdf
          https://www.icrc.org/ru/doc/resources/documents/misc/6lkb3l.htm
          https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Конвенция_о_законах_и_обычаях_сухопутной_войны_(1907)
          https://docs.historyrussia.org/ru/nodes/138732-konventsiya-ob-opredelenii-agressii-london-4-iyulya-1933-goda
          https://www.un.org/ru/documents/decl_conv/conventions/aggression.shtml
      2. +4
        3 June 2024 09: 13
        Prigozhin and the leadership of Wagner were destroyed immediately as the United States, through some departments, appealing through the media, called on the leadership of the Russian Federation to ban Wagner, and Britain recognized Wagner as a terrorist organization.
        A curtain .
        The anti-national elites of Russia rule the roost here. They are parallel to the interests of the common man.


        As an example of a response to this - the action of Israel

        and with the President of Iran the answer
        to attack Iran - in general - is beyond the bounds
        1. +3
          3 June 2024 09: 43
          Quote: Himalayan
          Prigozhin and the leadership of Wagner were destroyed immediately like the United States... called on the leadership of the Russian Federation to ban Wagner, and Britain recognized Wagner as a terrorist organization...

          Prigozhin and several leaders were liquidated immediately after the famous march of justice, in a matter of days.
          No need to juggle
      3. man
        +2
        3 June 2024 20: 25
        And as a hint, there was still no connection 2 years ago...
        Well, the permits have nothing to do with it, this is our chronic
      4. +3
        3 June 2024 20: 46
        Okay, let's part ways. This conversation is in favor of the poor, and about nothing. Tomorrow Staver will come here and give out another pearl about the victory over the West and the rotten West.
    2. +12
      3 June 2024 06: 36
      Quote from: miry_mir
      the author did not provide any specifics about what measures could be taken for attacks on our strategic military targets.

      Well, can you suggest?
      It’s clear to everyone - “We must!”
      Only here
      The question is: why does the Ukrainian Armed Forces practice attacks on Russia’s strategic military infrastructure, which is actually located hundreds and thousands of kilometers from the front line?

      - to very strongly hint that they should sit quietly with their nuclear weapons. Otherwise we’ll sleep through the first disarming blow.
      Something, as in medicine with an advanced disease, is too late to do. That’s why there’s a discussion about “What should I do?”
      Just don’t propose to detonate a nuclear bomb on your territory! I’m already tired of grimacing when I hear Westerners laughing on all their channels about the idea of ​​scaring THEM by exploding a bomb on THEIR territory. This is worse than laughing at red lines...
  6. +22
    3 June 2024 05: 28
    Here we need “red lines” that are not disgusting to everyone, here, excuse me, we need red snot

    Who decided what was needed?!
    The boss is happy with everything (everything is according to plan), everyone has kept warm places and offices. So the population is left to take care of themselves - move away from refineries, factories, oil pipelines, gas pipes, high frequencies, airfields, etc.
    1. +3
      3 June 2024 10: 29
      "move away from..."
      As the practice of the Belgorod region shows, this does not help. But living in Antarctica is not very comfortable. hi
      1. man
        +2
        3 June 2024 20: 37
        Quote from AdAstra
        "move away from..."
        As the practice of the Belgorod region shows, this does not help. But living in Antarctica is not very comfortable. hi

        Well, why go so far? The Arctic is much closer hi
    2. +3
      3 June 2024 18: 08
      Quote: Vladimir80
      Who decided what was needed?!
      The boss is happy with everything (everything is according to plan), everyone has kept warm places and offices.

      It’s hard to argue about “they kept warm places and offices,” but everything is fine... Covering Russia with anti-aircraft systems is not strong enough...
      There is simply NOTHING you can do ANYMORE.
      It was necessary to scare once and very strongly and a long time ago.
      Shoot - with what and where, when even long-range detection stations are extinguished.
      Perhaps our people did not understand the hint - with intensive reconnaissance of our territory (instrumental and simply information from good people in the Russian ministries) - it will not be possible to strike suddenly! And what can be done without much effort to blind early warning stations has been demonstrated.
      1. +2
        3 June 2024 20: 16
        but everything is fine...

        when something doesn’t suit you, something is done, invented, and tried... and in our country, reality is replaced by false reports (and in all areas!)
      2. man
        +1
        3 June 2024 20: 41
        Covering Russia with anti-aircraft systems is not feasible...
        There is simply NOTHING you can do ANYMORE.

        Well why? You can distribute slingshots to the population fellow
    3. man
      +3
      3 June 2024 20: 35
      The boss is happy with everything (everything is according to plan), everyone has kept warm places and offices.
      You are exaggerating, some still didn’t save it. Just changed warm places to no less warm ones
  7. +16
    3 June 2024 05: 29
    Unfortunately, there are no historical parallels.

    In the entire existence of the human race, it has never occurred to anyone, as we did in peacetime in 1991 (and not just, but also at night under a bush in the forest!) to break our country into pieces “so as not to feed these people,” and then “ return the lands......

    Therefore, in the future, it is quite logical to expect even more incredible events that have “no analogues in the world.”Absolutely anything is possible
    1. man
      +1
      3 June 2024 20: 54
      Quote: ivan2022
      Unfortunately, there are no historical parallels.

      In the entire existence of the human race, it has never occurred to anyone, as we did in peacetime in 1991 (and not just, but also at night under a bush in the forest!) to break our country into pieces “so as not to feed these people,” and then “ return the lands......

      Therefore, in the future, it is quite logical to expect even more incredible events that have “no analogues in the world.”Absolutely anything is possible

      Yes, humanity has never seen such idiots. By the way, I'm one of these idiots sad . If the Bolsheviks return, let them shoot me. I won't object.
  8. +7
    3 June 2024 05: 47
    If I had flown to a new or old hotel opening in Proskoveevka, then they would have been itching. And so...
    1. man
      +1
      3 June 2024 21: 00
      Quote: Anh Han
      If I had flown to a new or old hotel opening in Proskoveevka, then they would have been itching. And so...

      Come on, they flew into the Kremlin and at least don’t even know that there’s some kind of hotel there...
  9. +8
    3 June 2024 05: 48
    Over the past two years, so many “red lines” have been drawn.
    some kind of abstractionism... smile
    1. ada
      +1
      3 June 2024 06: 48
      Nope, this is a simple and uncomplicated distortion, braiding, etc., but it works.
      Freaks are finally not particularly willing to work with enthusiasm. For what? And so - it will do!
      People sucks.
  10. +21
    3 June 2024 06: 04
    “And it was precisely the fact that our responsible officials made loud statements about “adequate tough responses” and all the words, without exception, remained words, brought the situation to the point that it flew across the Kremlin.”

    Do we have other “responsible persons” now? The same ones as during the attack on the Kremlin. And are they ours?
    1. man
      +2
      3 June 2024 21: 08
      Do we have other “responsible persons” now? The same ones as during the attack on the Kremlin. And are they ours?
      And ours will not come ... Such is the time now -
      Today is not the same year, the war is not at all the same.
      No one hears a voice calling out in the wilderness.
      Yes, and there is no desert - sheer emptiness.

      And in this emptiness the road will be long -
      Long paths have ended.
      Stalingrad will not break out, and there is land beyond the Volga ...
      But ours will not come. Where do they come from?

      Nobody will bring out "For the Motherland!" on bombs
      No one wheezes: "Give the country coal!"
      There are drafts in the Odessa catacombs,
      The mausoleum under the walls of the Kremlin is shuttered.

      The political instructor will not get up, will not poke a gun into the sky,
      The trumpet will not call for heroism and labor.
      Kohl gave themselves to comfort for need,
      It's time to understand that ours won't come!

      So let's drink a glass of Russian vodka to our grandfathers
      And again on the Internet - to hone minds,
      Hanging flags, tearing each other's throats.
      And ours will not come ... All ours are us.

      Andrey Shigin
    2. 0
      3 June 2024 21: 15
      For now, unfortunately, we are ours, but we really dream of becoming our own, bourgeois.
  11. +22
    3 June 2024 06: 21
    Even if a massive nuclear strike is applied to us, I doubt that our leadership will give an adequate response to destroy the enemy, they have their children there.....
  12. +2
    3 June 2024 06: 30
    In general, of course, the choice of Ukrainian drone pilots or saboteurs is strange. From a tactical point of view, it does not provide any advantages to the Ukrainian Armed Forces at all. No satisfaction at all, not even moral satisfaction, since a drone is not a weapon that can launch such a complex as an over-the-horizon radar.

    Giving and huge. In any case, the objects will need to be protected with the highest priority, and this means the transfer of a large number of air defense systems to them from the front.
  13. +7
    3 June 2024 06: 32
    They are slowly probing us deeper and more dangerously, using increasingly longer-range weapons. If they had done all this from the first days of the Northern Military District, the Russian Federation would have used tactical nuclear weapons at the same time. And so they accustom us to poison drop by drop, each time expecting our reaction. They see that we are all slowing down and each time they try to cause more significant damage. If there were eggs, then right from the very beginning the NWO would have shot down drones over the Black Sea, and even better, Donald Cook, who invaded our waters, would have been sunk before the NWO, today’s problems would not have happened.
    I’m still waiting to see if the turn will come to tomagafks in Ukraine and attacks on our military production facilities in the depths of the country, or whether the country’s leadership will gather their snot and start shooting down drones and smashing a bank.
    1. +5
      3 June 2024 07: 14
      Correction - the destroyer was HMS Defender
    2. +9
      3 June 2024 07: 28
      Nobody will do anything! The whole history of the last 25-30 years shows that we are accustomed not to offend Western masters and to adapt to their needs.
    3. 0
      4 June 2024 02: 18
      If they had done all this from the first days of the Northern Military District, the Russian Federation would have used tactical nuclear weapons at the same time.
      This is what we think, and over the hill we probably thought so. But would they do this in the Kremlin? After all, nothing has changed there since the beginning of the SVO. After all, they paid a fine to Kyiv in 2019 in exchange for Germany’s promise to allow SP-2, which was then banned and blown up into a heap, but, of course, the money was not returned. By the way, they also did not react to the freezing of money. And the oligarchs also did not react in any way to the reclaimed yachts and palaces
  14. ada
    0
    3 June 2024 06: 39
    What's unclear here? And, most importantly: “Why is this not clear to quite a large number of people?”
    Because the level of socialization and military education of the population is extremely low. And, if you open the notes from 40 years ago, then there are no questions! Popularly nicknamed Zhirik - the soothsayer, he finally did not hesitate to disseminate information that he should not have disseminated - this could simply be taught in educational organizations, brought to the attention of the population in disassembled form. True, Zhirik did not hesitate to reveal confidential information, to say the least.
    In short, the whole point of the disgrace lies in the acquisition by the interested party of the right to use, namely, “use”, not “use” (these are specific military terms reflecting the essence and nature of handling weapons, forces, etc.) of nuclear weapons at the present stage and against a country not from the third world, that is, you need a modern fat and fresh, still fluttering precedent. This will make it possible to put into operation another ready-made element of long-term US and US-NATO military planning in the East. SN in more advantageous political positions and use nuclear forces on the basis of decisions of international treaty organizations against the backdrop of global media hype with the appointment of the culprit of the destruction of the world. Who is this? A! It is clear - who, again - We. OK.
    Everything is elementary and everything has long been known, well studied and, accordingly, a counteraction strategy has been developed. You watch the process live. Enjoy.
    This is why the military personnel living on the site do not know such simple things - this is alarming.
    I could be wrong? No, of course, this is how the start of the Great War in Europe was planned much earlier than the events that took place and was well worked out during the planned preparation of NATO Allied Forces in Europe, and as we know from operational experience, nothing works better than what is mastered by troops, and here there are no troops necessary.
    Oh. Damn, I'm babbling - I need to pull myself together, apparently - it's time for a redo.
    An anecdote on the topic (old, about NAT in Europe):
    - Mr. General! The plan for an offensive operation against Russia is ready.
    - So. Okay, let's see. Here we bang!, There we bang! We burst in here and they're screwed! Here we accept surrender!
    Everything is excellent! Now show me the Defensive Operation Plan.
    - How - defensive, we didn’t prepare him! Mr. General, only our offensive was indicated.
    - What are you talking about! What if we have to retreat! Cook immediately. This is war!
    - Oh, we, what? Will we also go to war?
    1. +1
      3 June 2024 15: 05
      Quote: ada
      We need a modern fatty and fresh, still fluttering precedent.


      Who needs it and why?

      If the United States ever uses nuclear weapons against Russia, it will be strategic nuclear weapons and they will certainly strike, the only thing that is stopping them now is the risk of receiving a counter strike and for now the damage is unacceptable for them... Bye…. As soon as missile defense or something else allows, then there is no doubt. Nobody will strike Russia with tactical nuclear weapons; a counter strike will not please anyone.

      For Russia, there are enough reasons to use tactical nuclear weapons (look at our doctrine), only the fear of the consequences (condemnation of China/India and all friends, closing the window to the West for our elite and other “risks”) stops it. All this will affect our trade, relations with “partners” and so on... which is what the United States is now taking advantage of, because it is beneficial for them to prolong the conflict for years, and without harming themselves to carry out (through a proxy) strikes with long-range weapons on military/industrial targets, reducing the potential of the Russian state and forcing it to spend resources on this conflict.

      What will happen if Russia launches tactical nuclear weapons strikes on the Western territory of Ukraine? Or even the Baltic states/Poland? This will change the rules of the game, because then the Europeans will have to ask themselves the question, are they ready to receive tactical nuclear weapons or strategic nuclear weapons in their cities for supplying weapons and striking Russia? And the answer is definitely no, they are not ready to die for the sake of Ukraine, just as the United States is not ready to get a nuclear mushroom in the place of New York or Washington... the question is, for the sake of whom? Ukrainians? losses will exceed possible profits.
      1. ada
        -1
        3 June 2024 20: 59
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        Quote: ada
        We need a modern fatty and fresh, still fluttering precedent.

        Who needs it and why?
        USA if...
        For Russia,...
        What will happen if Russia...

        There are too many “ifs” - there is only one conclusion from this - you have no information, no data and no knowledge on this military aspect, only your personal opinion and you do not have the official responsibility to make a management decision on this issue, manage its implementation and bear for the received results established responsibility. You are a "spectator in the theater of war." This is not a desire to offend you, this is my explanation of my definition of your figure.
        I, basically, do not broadcast my personal opinion, I do not consider it necessary, but I express my understanding in my own language based on knowledge accumulated through experience and receiving a certain degree of confirmation from open public sources, without disclosing information that has become known to me in my service. For what? I think this is necessary winked
        1. +3
          3 June 2024 21: 39
          Would you mind explaining how someone who “had information and knowledge” could allow a war on Russian territory, so that Russian citizens would die and cities would be bombed? How could an intelligence officer who lived and worked on the territory of his Western partners for so long understand nothing about them, and even gave Carlson a history lesson, even though it was possible to understand everything about them from Soviet history textbooks? How could he be so easily deceived and deceived, and today the Russian army is correcting all his naivety with blood?
          1. ada
            0
            3 June 2024 23: 49
            Quote: Alaburga
            Don't bother explaining...

            Are you asking me?
            If it’s me, then, frankly speaking, I don’t know. I can assume that his upbringing and formation were influenced by his environment and then accompanied him through life. Apparently, he is a product of his generation, but his path led him to a radically different state, in which he had to make a decision not just to resist, but also to engage in armed struggle at the highest level on the planet. I believe that in political circles of significant size and number in the country and beyond its borders, there is an internal, mortal struggle for their position, and we are not here as an exception.
            I was often asked about the possibility of a new war, often complete strangers simply said: “Will there be a war or not?” or “When will the war start?”, “Oh, Putin said... no?” It is very remarkable that the overwhelming majority of them did not ask: “With whom?”!
            Of course, I, being confident in the emerging sequence, answered in the affirmative. I made a mistake? It seems not. Am I that smart? No, my head is completely blown off and has been for a long time (I’ll try to learn the multiplication table again). It’s just how we were taught, we lived with it, prepared for it, fought with it, but the overwhelming majority of my civilian environment despised this approach to existence and openly stood in line for their place in bourgeoisism, trying to capitalize on what they clearly have No. And they fought for it, well, they won, that’s it - you can eat. Do not give? There must be something wrong, they stood on the wrong side of the line. We got up on the other side - again it’s not the same. Try again! And after all, they try, but the result, although there is one, is not the same, they obviously understand that everything they have will be taken away anyway. But they were warned... And this is a struggle from the everyday level to the top of government. I think that in the circles of higher power the passions are much stronger.
            Putin, as a person - what to say to him, well, sometimes he says something plaintive, nostalgic or instructive, and everything that is usual for our people.
            Like a “steamboat” - he speaks taking into account not the 4 sides of the horizon, but the entire spectrum of light, in all 4 44 directions, and as far as his speech thought-forming apparatus allows, but it is far from unlimited possibilities. He has such a position - to speak, and also to write and sign. And, before that, talk, read, watch and listen and try to assimilate all this to create a system for developing a control action - a solution that still needs to be implemented with the help of someone. That is, he says what his presidential office produces - he and the people directly influencing him. There is no naivety here and everyone understands this. And you? It is not his naivety that is being corrected, but the people's stupidity.
            1. +1
              4 June 2024 00: 23
              Yes, and thanks for answering. His position is to protect the state and its citizens, and he completely failed in this position. Because it turned out that his decisions were designed to satisfy only his apparatus and the people directly influencing him, and the people at the side. The result of his failure as president was a civil war, which could escalate into WWII.
              1. ada
                -1
                4 June 2024 01: 07
                Yes, what is it?
                Well, I don't think so. My opinion is different, but I do not express it.
                Civil war - this most ordinary war at its root - is the basis of all wars in general and it never ends. When the main body of war is eliminated and another time calculation is arbitrarily introduced - peacetime, then the state always assigns repressive functions to its bodies to continue certain measures of influence on the population and other countries, characteristic of a civil war, in order to ensure its functioning in the achieved situation (here the state is not separated from the people, but is actually separated from them without breaking community ties). This is not the entire list of necessary actions to stabilize society in the post-Bolshevik state system, but is characteristic of forceful influence on the remaining enemy within and around the country.
                WWII - well, there doesn’t seem to be anything else, what does Putin have to do with it? I don’t understand this accusation, what he had to do - he is the same as the majority of the people, they wanted it - you get it. This is a natural retribution for disdain for the heritage of our ancestors under any president. hi
                1. 0
                  4 June 2024 08: 46
                  If I understood you correctly, then today’s war is /a natural retribution for contempt for the heritage of our ancestors/, and not imposed by the Kremlin’s Western partners, which they planned ahead of time, and which Putin received, because the Kremlin has neither intelligence nor imagination. That is, we do everything ourselves, everything ourselves, with our own hands?
                  1. ada
                    0
                    6 June 2024 08: 04
                    Quote: Alaburga
                    If I understood you correctly, then today’s war is...

                    No, not right.
                    1. This is not a war, the war is ahead and you definitely won’t miss its beginning. To understand what is happening, you need to know military periodicals, in particular those immediately preceding the war. Without delving into military-political details, one or two pre-war periods are usually identified, which are considered to be the pre-war period. They varied in names and definitions at different times. Let’s take it as “a period of increasing threats” and “a period of immediate danger of war.” As a rule, for all these periods there is planning for the state’s preparation for war (various), which is used with the determination of key dates by the country’s top leadership. But, there are always newly emerging conditions to which it is necessary to respond outside of the plan or beyond it, regardless of the level of readiness for the event, and the main activities of the preparation plans are still far from reaching the level of readiness for war and the main activities of the preparation plans have not been completed. Here, you are observing such actions of our leadership, this is both assistance to Kazakhstan and, in fact, the salvation of Belarus (in several stages) and the improvement of our position in the Global Global Agreement with Ukraine and the ongoing liquidation of the NATO geostrategic bridgehead within the borders of this state formation with the destruction of their proximal forces (means ) and prepared military infrastructure on it with the occupation of planned areas by our troops. These actions, with the use of armed forces, etc., are of a limited nature, not causing direct aggression of the true (main) enemy, and are considered special, which is why the operation - “SVO”, and not “war” - is precisely formulated in essence.
                    2. Putin did not receive anything that someone else, say Mutin, would not have received. The West wants to live and there is no other way for it but to go to the East for this opportunity and they will go. And they would have gone more prepared, but the balance in the world began to rapidly change not in their favor, so they put into effect their plan for preparing for war ahead of schedule in an unprepared form, but Putin was ahead of them in a number of positions, which is bearing fruit: the operation They failed to seize a bridgehead in the Republic of Belarus, in place of their positions are our forces of a joint group of troops, destabilization in Kazakhstan has been suspended, our group in Ukraine is operating with the cover of the “tooth” of the Republic of Belarus from the North. directions.
                    3. I don’t understand what you mean? About the fact that it was necessary to manage to exchange the country for petty ambitions? Well, yes, it’s themselves, but who? And even now they can easily exchange it, preferably for foreign currency.
                    1. +1
                      6 June 2024 09: 50
                      What I mean is that we had to finally manage to learn the story that /the West wants to live and there is no other way for it but to go to the East for this opportunity and they will go/ and be ready for it. But someone stuck with the Pechenegs and Polovtsians, and only turned their cheeks to their Western partners. The SVO showed that the Kremlin was not ready for everything and continues in the same spirit. Putin’s answers to journalists yesterday serve as confirmation; this is trash and Spanish shame.
                      1. ada
                        0
                        6 June 2024 10: 11
                        Yes, it’s possible to be prepared for private enterprise in such a territory?! This is a complete delusion and malicious intent for little!
                        ALREADY AT THE END OF THE 80'S IT BECAME CLEAR THAT WAR WITH UKRAINE CAN NOT BE AVOIDED! Even then, it was necessary to carry out large-scale special operations on its territory with the corrupt population! It is late now. Something else is required, it is required from the people!
                      2. 0
                        6 June 2024 14: 41
                        For almost thirty years, nothing was done, they only made the situation even worse by blaming everything on the “Lenin bomb.”
        2. 0
          4 June 2024 07: 21
          Quote: ada
          You have no information, no data and no knowledge on this military aspect, only your personal opinion and you have no official responsibility to make a management decision on this issue


          Undoubtedly, all information related to the use of Russian strategic weapons and similar topics is classified.

          But there are open sources, there are official actions. Recently Russia decided to conduct non-strategic nuclear weapons (TNW) exercises, what does this mean in practice? Mechanisms are being worked out and missilemen are being trained to deliver such a strike in practice... i.e. The supreme commander and the military elite are considering the possibility of using such weapons, under certain conditions.

          There are insights from the Western side, where the United States and Europe were afraid of the use of tactical nuclear weapons by Russia at the very beginning of the Northern Military District, and the second time when “regroupings” took place - one can, of course, write off all this as a fake, but taking into account the current preparations of Russia, the order of the GDP to bring the strategic nuclear forces into a special mode (2022) this could very well be real... we didn’t dare, we went a different route, but the possibility was definitely considered.

          Therefore, there is no need for special access to draw conclusions. Well, the fact that the United States and Europe are really afraid of a nuclear strike from Russia is not a secret at all, both officials on the other side and journalists/press have stated this.
          1. ada
            0
            6 June 2024 08: 20
            Quote: Aleksandr21
            ... Therefore, special access is not needed here to draw conclusions. ...

            I probably didn’t understand you, what conclusions are you talking about? About government decisions? Well, I’m not competent here, this is far from my level, I don’t know what to tell you. I have formed an opinion for myself about various issues of reality, but I cannot express it intelligibly in a generalized form, and no one is interested in this, but using various techniques for adding “cubes”, sometimes I can show something about the military specifics of the resulting more or in a less understandable form, although I suspect something else, but there are no facts.
      2. 0
        3 June 2024 21: 56
        What will happen if Russia launches tactical nuclear weapons strikes on the Western territory of Ukraine?

        There may be two options - either Russia will receive a consolidated tough response from everyone, including China, or the NPT will fall apart and in Europe every second state will go nuclear in a short period of time. Including Ukraine and Poland, by the way.
        And not only in Europe. They write that Japan, for example, can become a nuclear state within one year.
  15. +2
    3 June 2024 06: 41
    Near Orsk we have a positional area of ​​the Strategic Missile Forces, could routine work be carried out there? And yesterday, quite competently, the Biden administration made a statement about allowing the Armed Forces of Ukraine to launch strikes deep into our territory, leaving room for an agreement - the battlefield of Europe, the United States, as always, is on the sidelines.
    1. ada
      0
      3 June 2024 06: 51
      Well, tykzh are amers, they are always like that. They won’t come up with anything new - they’ll play around as it is - everything that was in the stash and they don’t give a damn anymore.
  16. +16
    3 June 2024 06: 51
    As long as the same people are in power, Mother Russia will be “tolerant.” This also applies to our permanent, radiant leader. The Western coalition has realized all its plans and what kind of victory must it be for it to be ours?
  17. +11
    3 June 2024 07: 00
    ...why pretend nothing is happening...

    Already done, done and wiped off.
  18. 0
    3 June 2024 07: 17
    As a result, there were no suggestions on how to respond. And it would be very interesting to read this from at least someone. Because I personally have no ideas.
    1. 0
      3 June 2024 09: 11
      Quote: Plate
      As a result, there were no suggestions on how to respond.

      Yes, thank God. Ordinary proposals in such a situation, such as “Strait named after Stalin”, have already set the teeth on edge!
      1. 0
        3 June 2024 11: 32
        Yes, that's understandable. I would like to hear adequate ideas. Otherwise everyone is yelling that this cannot be left unanswered. At the same time, no one said how to answer without starting TMV.
    2. +3
      3 June 2024 12: 04
      I would venture to give an “asymmetrical” proposal, as they like to say at the top. The arrest of the president’s favorite Nabiulina along with the economic bloc and putting them on trial would be perceived by the partners as an explosion of a nuclear weapon. And if, in addition to this, without red tape, in just a week or two, a referendum was organized on changing some articles of the constitution (ideology there, the Bank of Russia, mineral resources, and so on “little things”) and creating a sovereign tyrnet (like the Chinese one), then “the effect of It would have been like blowing up “Kuzya’s mother.” It was just a cup of coffee in the morning, but what a surprise! It was like a letter from an inhabitant of the rope dacha to the editor of the TV show “Obvious, BUT Incredible.”
      1. -1
        3 June 2024 13: 24
        Quote: comradChe
        The arrest of the president’s favorite Nabiulina along with the economic bloc and putting them on trial would be perceived by the partners as an explosion of a nuclear weapon.

        It's funny. And the United States, I wonder how they can respond to this... ahem... "answer"? Ahhh! They will arrest some banker of theirs, and in the Kremlin they will tremble in fear again! wassat No, seriously, why do you think that the United States cares about some Nabiullina? I would venture to guess that some in the White House may not even know about its existence.
        Quote: comradChe
        And if, without red tape, in just a week or two, a referendum on changing some articles of the constitution would be organized

        It already happened. Ideology? And which one? No, I personally am against it.
        Quote: comradChe
        the effect of this would be like blowing up “Kuzyakin’s mother.”

        When I tore off the heads of grasshoppers in the garden (perhaps there were females among them), the effect was really interesting. But I'm afraid America didn't get any of this. wink
        1. 0
          3 June 2024 14: 02
          As you correctly hinted, if I understood correctly, the point is precisely what means to use in OUR “garden” surrounded by an unpleasant guy because of a “puddle”. Simply unscrewing the heads is clearly not enough for grasshoppers. Defoliants are needed, even more likely NAPALM.
      2. 0
        4 June 2024 02: 24
        In the West, they will shit their pants if suddenly all the children-wives of our elites leave for Moscow.
        1. 0
          4 June 2024 17: 33
          I think even the hairdressers whose services they use there will not suffer much.
  19. 0
    3 June 2024 07: 21
    In general, the attack is not very logical. "Voronezh" in the Orsk region monitors the missile situation from the Taklamakan desert (China) to the sea coast of Syria
    They themselves answered the question: China tried to destroy it, on the quiet
  20. +3
    3 June 2024 07: 29
    The strike on Voronezh is an attempt to blind our long-range detection systems before using long-range missiles (and maybe aircraft) against objects on our territory. A completely logical blow, it’s a pity that we were not prepared for it. I hope the conclusions have already been drawn.

    There is no need to say that this radar is “not for that purpose” - either you will reveal a state secret, or you will get into trouble.
  21. +17
    3 June 2024 07: 37
    All these attacks on our territory prove to the citizens of Russia that we do not have a real government responsible and capable of resolutely defending the Country. Yes, there is a bunch of chattering, lining their pockets, destroying the true patriots of the State. But they are not capable of a decisive response to the West. We are preparing for the worst. Unless a miracle happens. But the miracle for Russia was canceled almost a year ago.
  22. -1
    3 June 2024 07: 43
    There is such a mocking expression “the last Chinese warning”, which appeared after several hundred (!) of these from the PRC to Taiwan in the 50s... It would be better if they silently supplied the same missiles and air defense to the Houthis, as the Soviet Union did to Vietnam
  23. +3
    3 June 2024 08: 09
    They will chew snot until there is a real personal threat to the guarantor. Only then will the answer follow. IMHO.
    1. 0
      4 June 2024 02: 27
      Or maybe his entourage will simply hand him over to The Hague and receive forgiveness by handing over Crimea and all its conquests, at the same time organizing a hunt for bloggers and volunteers
  24. +7
    3 June 2024 08: 14
    The West drew real lines, and made the tops terpilami. IMHO, this is a threat of confiscation of the PERSONAL money of the oligarchs and bureaucrats, confiscation of their mansions and the threat that the young ones will go to jail. And if the guarantor tries to obey the hysterics of the bureaucrats and oligarchs who are selling their loot, mansions and their children, it will not seem enough to him.
  25. 0
    3 June 2024 08: 27
    The use of nuclear weapons in full compliance with the Doctrine on their use is too much??? Dear author, you are wrong. Another question is that the decision on the use of nuclear weapons is made by the President of the Russian Federation: not me and not you. We are simply expressing our opinion...
  26. -1
    3 June 2024 08: 35
    Our answer should be short and understandable for everyone and not just a one-time response.
    1. ada
      -3
      3 June 2024 09: 07
      No, these are not toys, we will pull as long as we can even there - “behind the puddle”, there is also no single impulse and the approaches are different. One fact remains unchanged for everyone to this day - they cannot enter our territory without initiating an armed conflict with us, and it is more advantageous to have proximal forces for this, but then the chances of achieving the goal are small - the mercenaries may end earlier than us, and they will start - they won’t get there, every time they develop a cunning plan, prepare, but when it comes to practical implementation, then again these Russians do everything wrong fellow
      1. 0
        3 June 2024 09: 15
        ada. hi I wanted the answer to be wrong for the United States. We can do this, and this is probably the reason that the Biden administration has not yet responded verbally. It only remains to understand what consequences they are counting on (1 not to hit US territory, this is understandable) what
        1. ada
          -1
          3 June 2024 09: 54
          I believe that the General Staff and the High Command will behave with restraint. On the other side, it kills them as much as us, if not more. This is what pushes them to provoke a nuclear precedent in order to remove historical blame from themselves and shift it onto us, finally designating it as a world evil, but this is not easy, and they do not want to expose themselves - this is a long-term nuclear war, in fact the end of the state.
          The consequences were always planned to be the same, this is when the balance of military acquisitions becomes negative in relation to military losses, the United States is still not ready for war and does not start it itself. They'll have to crawl away for a while.
          1. 0
            3 June 2024 09: 56
            Let's see what happens next. The comment is very short.
            1. ada
              -4
              3 June 2024 09: 58
              There - below, Victor Leningradets gives the recipe.
          2. -1
            3 June 2024 14: 48
            Quote: ada
            On the other side, it kills them as much as us, if not more. This is what pushes them to provoke a nuclear precedent in order to remove historical blame from themselves and shift it onto us, finally designating it as a world evil, but this is not easy, and they do not want to expose themselves - this is a long-term nuclear war, in fact the end of the state.


            Stupidity... because... the only thing the United States and Europe are afraid of is the use of nuclear weapons by Russia in this conflict, then this will completely change the rules of the game, and it will not be possible to prolong the conflict for years and the loophole for the use of long-range weapons against Russia will close.

            What now ? The West, with the help of proxies, strikes at military/industrial/strategic targets in Russia, the responses arrive at the Armed Forces of Ukraine…. Our military are dying, Russia's potential is decreasing, and the West, apart from financial expenses, is not risking anything, is the United States happy with such a conflict? More than. Look at the military contracts of American/European arms corporations, supplies of ammunition/equipment will go on for years to Ukraine…. They are set up for a long-term conflict and no one is going to stop it “tomorrow”.
            1. ada
              0
              3 June 2024 21: 53
              Quote: Aleksandr21
              ... Stupidity... ... .

              Perhaps, but there is time, right? True, it exists, something that in fact, as a physical phenomenon, does not exist, but we have invented a “ruler” with arrows, numbers, and strokes for the convenience of organizing life activities. Wait or is someone rushing you?
              You say: “They are set up for a long-term conflict...” and for some reason you don’t assume that we are facing the same task, why?
              In the late 80s and early 90s, it was believed that a series of armed conflicts during the period of armed struggle of countries and their state formations, as well as individual peoples (including God’s chosen identity Yes ) and nationalities (tribes) will be significant in its diversity, geography and scale from the smallest skirmishes to the level of a large regional conflict with the use of weapons of mass destruction. This period was defined as a “world war,” but such a term was never used in military planning documents, but in documents of special services it was. These types of planning have a lot in common, in particular frequency, timing and dating. So, the period was formulated based on its characteristics as “uncertain duration”, but had supposed “expected” dates for the beginning of a critical level of increase in threats leading to armed clashes in the struggle for depleting resources, in particular - hydrocarbons, fresh water, suitable for living natural spaces (mainly sushi). They were previously indicated even in lecture materials for the general public and in more accurate ones for military information to l / s of the Armed Forces of the USSR, the Russian Federation, etc. This is in the years: for water 1995, for oil the end of the 70s and the beginning of the 80s (different regions, and I don’t even remember the dates), by space - the beginning of a new century. And its total duration was expected from 30 to 50 years. So, everything is ahead of you.
              By the way - Zhirikov’s dates are on, apparently he didn’t throw away the old notebook Yes
              1. 0
                4 June 2024 07: 44
                Quote: ada
                You say: “They are set up for a long-term conflict...” and for some reason you don’t assume that we are facing the same task, why?


                Because it is not profitable for us, although we are following this path to delay it, but this is due to the lack of opportunities to quickly complete it.

                And the resources of the parties are not comparable... USA + Europe = 1 billion+ population (333 million - America, 748 million - EU), Russia has 146 million people. These are statistics... Now we are ahead (in the production of weapons/ammunition) due to the mobilization of the economy and the transition to a military footing, while the USA and the EU have not even begun in full, i.e. For them, this conflict is a way to weaken their opponent and make money on it, they don’t have such a thing that everything is for the front, everything is for victory... they have orders for the military-industrial complex and this is enough for them to maintain this conflict for years.

                Moreover, the fighting is carried out through a proxy (Ukraine) and the losses of the Ukrainians do not bother them at all, moreover, until 2014, Ukraine was a sales market for Russia, and was part of our zone of influence, these were our consumers, the Slavs... and their losses in no way are straining the Anglo-Saxons.

                Next... what's happening now? Ukraine is striking at our military facilities, at industry, and such strikes will only accumulate in the future... just yesterday (relatively speaking) these were strikes by a couple of dozen drones, and tomorrow there will be hundreds of them and they will hit our economy + long-range Western weapons that will also hit targets... moreover, Ukraine can carry out terror using drones - the population, strikes on schools/ hospitals/residential buildings, etc.

                Is this beneficial for us? Just ask yourself this question... Not only does the West strike Russia without harm, but the damage to us is simply colossal + we spend huge resources on military operations, when these resources could have been spent on other areas (science, education, medicine etc.)… another thing is that we were left with no choice, and we are in this situation not because we want an eternal war that will eat up our resources while the world develops, but because we do not have the strength and resources to complete it in short time.
                1. ada
                  0
                  6 June 2024 08: 43
                  Quote: Aleksandr21
                  ... we are in this situation not because we want an eternal war that will eat up our resources while the world develops, but because we do not have the strength and resources to complete it in a short time.

                  We are in the position we are supposed to be in. Woe and death to the unworthy... . What do you want - for there to be no war? It doesn't happen that way.
                  The terrible word “develop” greatly frightens physiologists. I sometimes think (purely my opinion) that he was given to us on purpose - well, as a type - “underdeveloped”. Is it better now with “development”?
                  No world will develop anywhere, among other things, those who cope with mobilization and war will win the right to the future, and for this they need to become a colossus with such debugging of activities that will be inaccessible even to hidden Australia, if it is lucky in this. Such a military organization has enormous inertia and potential in everything for the post-war period - there will be no competitors.
  27. -1
    3 June 2024 08: 47
    It’s time to study the parameters of all drones. If we know the capabilities of each drone, we will know where it came from. If it came from Kazakhstan, then the Ukrainians did a good job there, and we did a bad job. But there is even a point of view that some drones are launched from our territory. They wrote here that intelligence will not keep track of everything. Each type of intelligence has its own task. But in any case, this should be the creation of like-minded people around you. It’s simply impossible without this.
  28. +1
    3 June 2024 08: 55
    I don’t want to talk about the use of tactical nuclear weapons; this, of course, is overkill. And besides, it is possible to intimidate Ukrainians in this way. But there will be Kazakhs who with great pleasure will launch a drone towards Orsk again. Or someone in Transcaucasia.

    The use of nuclear weapons implies the decisive defeat of the enemy and the liquidation of the state entity "Ukraine".
    Having before them an example of such a development of events, will Kazakhstan or Transcaucasia really want to repeat the fate of Ukraine?
    Theoretically, the GRU itself should prepare a similar action from adjacent territories in order to finally resolve territorial problems.
  29. -2
    3 June 2024 08: 57
    We have satellite killers, at least in words. So use them. It is significant that they “kissed” them with the same number of mattress early warning satellites as our long-range radars were scratched. And then watch the squeal.
    But reality is reality, alas.
    1. +8
      3 June 2024 10: 08
      at least in words

      in words, collect enemy satellites!!! if all the daily empty and often untruthful chatter of “experts” on Channel 1 and VGTRK is sent into space at an enemy satellite, there is a chance to shift its orbit!
  30. +6
    3 June 2024 09: 08
    Over the past two years, so many “red lines” have been drawn.
    So they will continue to draw until the red felt-tip pen is taken away from someone... Otherwise, all the wallpaper has already been drawn...
  31. -7
    3 June 2024 09: 09
    It is necessary to respond with a strike from tactical nuclear weapons against the accumulation of military forces
    1. -6
      3 June 2024 10: 05
      If you really hit them, in the regions of Western Ukraine, Poland and Romania, and I assure you the rest will immediately blow away
  32. +9
    3 June 2024 09: 23
    ", which are getting further and further from the hypothetical border of Ukraine and Russia....."
    LBS - 1000 km. Let's just calculate how much air defense is needed in order not to miss the blows from Ukraine. Let's take the Shell roughly, Thor. Control of 40 km along the front. In total we get 25 pieces. And what ? It turns out that we don’t have these 25 units so as not to let these killer UAVs through. Now the Ukrainian Armed Forces will receive long-range missiles with a range of 300 km. This means that all our airfields at a distance of 150-300 km from the LBS will be destroyed. This is what I’m telling those wise guys who have been drooling here, that time is on Russia’s side. What to do? The current commanders, capable only of frontal assaults, cannot do anything other than sign the next “Minsk”. And all that remains is to state the facts: attacks deep into Russia will increase and the number of our losses will increase manifold.
    Already June will show whether I am right or wrong.
    1. +3
      3 June 2024 11: 59
      40 km is in ideal training ground conditions and if the enemy is a child of 5 years old. And when the enemy crushes with interference, the UAVs are made as inconspicuous as possible, and they simultaneously fire at the air defense with dozens of MLRS missiles. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of decoys in the sky. There you already need not 1 “Tor” per 40 km, but 20 “Tor” per 10 km. The Jews cannot intercept everything that the bare-assed Palestinians shoot at them. And Jews need to cover up a tiny piece of land. The size of one Voronezh region. And they’ve been building their air defense for about 25 years now, pouring in hundreds of billions of dollars. And one vegetable somehow flies.
      1. 0
        4 June 2024 02: 39
        Somehow you fantasized that something is flying there non-stop and you need a shell for every bush. Cruise missiles and drones can be shot down in a bunch of ways without launching air defense missiles; if they saw it on the radar, they sent a fighter or helicopter to catch it a thousand kilometers away and shoot it down over the field. You can learn to distinguish between false targets and electronic warfare. Someone just hammered a bolt. The defeat of the S300/400 is a consequence of the fact that they are not covered by the same shells, which at short ranges must be used against many small objects, while large complexes have small ammunition and look at long ranges. Plus they are placed side by side, as if the pests that shot down our planes over and over again were never found in the manual
        1. 0
          4 June 2024 11: 18
          Yes. Theoretically, to kill 1 soldier you need 1, well, 5 bullets. But for some reason they spend 20 thousand per person. Is it because the soldiers are cross-eyed fools and pests, or is real combat not shooting at a shooting range?
          You can learn to distinguish between soft targets and electronic warfare.
          If you develop this method and bring it to our air defense specialists, you will have a full-length monument cast from gold. Thousands of specialists are working on these tasks. A bunch of specialized institutes and design bureaus.
          or do you think that on the enemy side there are idiots who don’t know how to do anything?
          Stop watching the weirdo Solovyov and the old concerts of the senile Zadornov. With his “well, stupid.”
          1. 0
            4 June 2024 14: 25
            And have you seen a lot of false targets, by the way? And what kind of powerful electronic warfare is there? It’s just that someone put a bolt on the electronic warfare and the electronic warfare is not extinguished. And decoys are produced in smaller quantities than actual missiles and drones.
            1. 0
              4 June 2024 14: 35
              Do you even understand what a decoy is? Yes, one drone/MLRS shell can scatter DOZENS of all kinds of imitators and interference. Starting from banal foil and ending with heat traps and miniature radio signal sources.
              And who told you that few imitators are produced?
              Briefly speaking. you have no idea about the work of air defense, much less electronic warfare and electronic warfare. .
              1. 0
                4 June 2024 15: 03
                Target simulators should then appear somewhere, I remember they were found in Lugansk. And near Belgorod? Or do you think they are flying home?
                Yes, one drone/MLRS shell can scatter DOZENS of all kinds of imitators and interference.
                very interesting, but what kind of missiles and drones are we talking about, I want to read in more detail, otherwise previously only the Iskander had special decoys, but now it turns out that the enemies have them right everywhere
                1. 0
                  4 June 2024 15: 24
                  For example
                  ADM-160B MALD. There's a whole family of them there. Starting from a simple simulator and ending with an active jammer
                  There are also such oddities as:
                  Joint Threat Emitters (JTE),
                  "threat emitters - a collection of antennas and other emitters that can simulate various types of radar, electronic warfare and other threats. When operating at full effective radiated power, each TEU is capable of simultaneously reproducing six types of electromagnetic signals. This allows the simulation of large integrated air defense networks with multiple threat levels.
                  Each C2U control unit can simultaneously control the operation of 12 TEU.
                  JTEs associated with the Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation (ACMI) system can emulate both long-range search radars and short-range fire control radars. There is also a wideband kit known as WTEU, which is spoofed to appear to be electronic warfare."
                  and this is just what was EXACTLY conveyed to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. But I think that the specialists will give you another dozen more.
                  And you say THE ORDER WAS NOT GIVEN laughing
                  1. 0
                    4 June 2024 15: 50
                    ADM-160B MALD.
                    where are they near Belgorod? If you knew how to read, you would have noticed that I wrote about this nonsense.
                    Everything else that you wrote are simulators of radar operation, and not flying decoys or electronic warfare systems, you don’t fumble at all
  33. +4
    3 June 2024 10: 01
    The question is: why does the Ukrainian Armed Forces practice attacks on Russia’s strategic military infrastructure, which is actually located hundreds and thousands of kilometers from the front line?

    Answer - Ukraine considers the conflict in Donbas an internal matter, just as the Russian Federation considered the war in the northern Caucasus its internal affair. and the referendum in Crimea and the annexation of new territories to the Russian Federation is an act of aggression.
    The leadership of Ukraine is waging a real war to restore the state border designated by the Belovezhskaya Accords and does not supply the enemy with money, natural resources, agricultural and industrial goods, and excludes the possibility of a separate deal and reconciliation without restoring territorial integrity and paying reparations.

    The question is: why does the Ukrainian Armed Forces practice attacks on Russia’s strategic military infrastructure, which is actually located hundreds and thousands of kilometers from the front line?

    Answer - Ukraine is fighting for real and uses any, even minimal, opportunity to cause damage to the enemy. This explains the blockade of transit traffic and communications, shelling of civilian and industrial facilities, terrorist acts and sabotage in the front-line zone and deep behind enemy lines. War according to the rules and in white mittens only happens in theory.

    “how to react to such things” - in the third year of the war, start fighting for real.
  34. -1
    3 June 2024 10: 02
    “Red Lines” has already been said and retold a long, long time ago! The effect of the statements of Lavrov, Ryabkov and other comrades is “0” - they have lost their sense of fear, so they stick to their line and froze our assets. This could not have happened under Stalin and Brezhnev - they were afraid of us. It's time to launch rockets...
  35. +1
    3 June 2024 10: 32
    Well, there’s no need to lie about the lack of moral satisfaction - there’s plenty of it here
  36. +2
    3 June 2024 10: 41
    The late intelligence officer Lieutenant General Drozdov obtained the NATO Barbarossa of a sudden massive strike of 4-5 thousand cruise missiles against air defense facilities, energy facilities, headquarters, etc. After which the country loses to a large extent its ability to resist and it is further bombed from the air, like Yugoslavia, and in 2 months it will be over. Therefore, it is clear why attacks are carried out specifically on missile attack warning stations. NATO has not lost this plan and they want to implement it. Regarding where the drones are flying from - in Sevastopol, back in the summer of 22, a man was detained who was carrying a folded drone in the luggage of an inconspicuous Zhiguli car. Moreover, he was from the locals. Now let’s estimate how many immigrants from Ukraine live in Russia now, and there are millions of refugees, I think. And among there are probably already hundreds of agents from the SBU, and there are quite a few who will agree to help both the SBU and the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. +1
      3 June 2024 11: 53
      Why get it? This barborossa. I’ll cook the same one for you on my knee. Just give me a map of the objects. If NATO launches 4-5 thousand missiles, our air defense will quietly die. And they also have several thousand airplanes. Even if the air defense destroys the entire Kyrgyz Republic, then it will simply have nothing with which to fight off the aviation.
    2. 0
      3 June 2024 21: 52
      Secretly prepare a strike in the amount of 4-5 tons. rockets are sooooo hard, almost impossible.
      Haven’t you heard about pre-emptive strikes?
    3. 0
      4 June 2024 02: 45
      Now let’s estimate how many immigrants from Ukraine live in Russia now, and there are millions of refugees, I think. And among there are probably already hundreds of agents from the SBU, and there are quite a few who will agree to help both the SBU and the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
      Most people from Ukraine are quite patriotic towards the Russian Federation. They recruit locals. There are probably even more foreigners in the ruble than in Ukraine. But they don’t catch people like that, only all sorts of lumpen people
  37. 0
    3 June 2024 10: 47
    Why chew snot here, this is preparation for an attack or, if you like, the introduction of troops into Ukraine (this is just the beginning). Then only a trigger will be enough to strike the centers of decision-making, communication and concentration of troops.. And there’s nothing special to shoot down drones with they will fly... Soon the Falcons will fly - those who are not immediately shot down will learn to fly and drink a fair amount of blood.
  38. -2
    3 June 2024 10: 57
    Now our strategic radars are being “trained”. What's next? Probably, it is necessary to light up the Nudoli missile silo so that movements to rectify the situation will finally begin? Or according to the General Staff. It's hard to say what will be more valuable in tomorrow's world
    Tomorrow, tactical nuclear weapons will be handed over to the Ukrofazists, and it will be announced to the whole world that the Ukrofazists themselves produced... Taking this into account, our leadership should have no illusions that the Ukrofazis will strike our territory with an atom... IMHO soldier
  39. +5
    3 June 2024 11: 12
    And the very fact of an attack on it makes us think deeply about what is behind the drone attempts. After all, no one will develop and carry out an attack on missile defense systems solely to show off their capabilities. On the contrary, it is a 100% study of the enemy’s capabilities.

    No wonder, everything is just visible.
    1) Demonstration action. We rattle nuclear weapons - they show that they can reach our early warning systems without a massive strike with detectable preparation. They say, look - a separate object can fly to you and hit you exactly. And all this without noise and dust, one might say casually.
    2) Practical assessment - they evaluate how well their analytics of our capabilities corresponds to the real state of affairs. More often it corresponds - higher FER, more trust in analytical and intelligence models.
    3) Practical purpose - the next article mentions the weakest NATO nuclear weapon - w48. The weight of the product is 54 kilos. If this product were modified to serve as a sabotage version, I think it would be possible to reduce its weight to 45 kg. Now let’s imagine that several of these products will be carried by special low-profile UAVs at the very beginning of a BGU strike against our early warning systems. A kind of foreplay. We flew there and banged, there is no way to get rid of it by simply replacing the modules and the complex has at least lost a significant part of its capabilities, or at most is out of action. And at this time, events are already happening in which no one will care..
  40. +1
    3 June 2024 11: 14
    Well, it seems like there have been low-altitude radars for a long time to detect low-flying objects within a radius of 5-150 km. Okay, they can’t shoot down, but at least they have to detect which direction it came from. To know who to blame.
  41. +2
    3 June 2024 11: 47
    They forgot to express concern!!! This is our everything!!1 And, well, another strategic tweet from onvanedimon
    1. +2
      3 June 2024 14: 15
      You forgot the "war dance" from "Kalinka-Malinka". hi
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  43. -2
    3 June 2024 12: 15
    Hitting Western Europe and the states is another option. We do not have proxies that could create problems in England. Therefore, it is necessary to demolish Ukraine to Poland, and then NATO will have a dilemma: either go straight or accept a new reality. To do this, we need to remember and try to reproduce what our great-grandfathers and grandparents did, namely: everything for the front, everything for victory.
    1. -2
      3 June 2024 14: 01
      Quote from Fisher
      We don’t have proxies that could create problems in England, for example.

      we missed the Irish (and the IRA in particular)))
  44. +2
    3 June 2024 12: 16
    The article is not about anything. The military doctrine of the Russian Federation says, and the President has confirmed more than once: the Russian Federation will use nuclear weapons only in the event of a nuclear strike against us, or in the event of a threat of irreversible loss of the territory of the Russian Federation. And since no one wants a nuclear war, Russia will not be the first to use it.
  45. +4
    3 June 2024 12: 19
    The Americans are not afraid of our missile strike. They mothballed their missile defense system, this was discussed on the star channel. That's why they behave this way.
  46. 0
    3 June 2024 12: 21
    Quote from AdAstra
    As the practice of the Belgorod region shows, this does not help. But living in Antarctica is not very comfortable.

    I don’t know, in the Belgorod region, I suppose everyone voted as they should, in one impulse request
    And in general, judging by the elections, everyone is basically satisfied with everything bully
    We’re just sitting here at VO whining...
  47. 0
    3 June 2024 12: 33
    There are no prospects for escalation on our part. Its supporters have already shown that they are wrong.

    At first, after 2014, hotheads demanded that troops be sent to the territory of Ukraine - they say, we will quickly win there. They introduced it, but it didn’t work out quickly.

    Then the same people demanded “more soldiers”, then we will definitely quickly crush everyone. We mobilized and the result is noticeable - we stand where we stood.

    Now we have an idea - let’s use a nuclear bomb, and then we’ll definitely defeat everyone.

    Apparently they are mistaken.
    1. -1
      3 June 2024 13: 54
      the problem is not that they are mistaken, and not even that they do not understand it...
      but the fact is that even if everyone understands perfectly well, our public agenda and media are to a significant extent captured by precisely those who benefit from the escalation: additional apparatus weight in the government, budget for contracts, state subsidies to support businesses “can’t be allowed to close”...
      a separate caste is the “military enthusiasts”, for whom there is no life beyond the escalation, but now there are donations, honor, status in the “popular fronts”, gatherings with the President, etc.
      1. -1
        3 June 2024 14: 30
        These forces are always there - those to whom military actions bring direct benefits. For some it’s war, and for others it’s just business.

        But there are people who, although they themselves gain nothing from the hostilities and even rather lose, still stubbornly demand escalation.
        Strange people.
  48. +2
    3 June 2024 12: 35
    You can laugh at me, but as a person in the world, I advise you to stock up on food (stewed meat, crackers, etc.) for three months, bottled water for ten days, antibiotics, and of course vodka, because things are “crappy” time will be the right currency. And great stupidity will befall the state.
    1. 0
      3 June 2024 13: 51
      in each period of exacerbation, many “survivors” appear (see the legendary Koshasty), who collect NZ, dig shelters, train in shooting and cutting out appendicitis with improvised means...
      Every time after the onset of the “thaw” they laugh at them, they say that a significant part of life and comfort has been lost to nowhere...
      but you are right that IF it ever “suffers”, then, if not right in the center of the survivalist’s life and shelter, then his chances will be significantly better...

      but, in principle, what you listed can be purchased and used little by little in ordinary peaceful life, and purchased as the expiration dates are reached))
  49. -1
    3 June 2024 13: 08
    I wonder if a couple of BECs or drones with a nuclear charge demolish the Crimean Bridge, will this be a reason to uncover our nuclear weapons, or is it something else.
    1. +1
      3 June 2024 14: 57
      if a couple of BEC or drones with a nuclear charge demolish the Crimean bridge


      They've already demolished it twice - the "response" is close to 0
  50. 0
    3 June 2024 13: 47
    It's very difficult to say what the answer should be... but it should be scary


    So here’s the problem: it’s very difficult for everyone to say - no one knows what the answer is, but so that it’s not nuclear weapons, and so that they don’t end up with “genocide of the civilian population,” and not give a reason to dramatically increase the Western flow of money and weapons to Ukraine, and so that the last “neutral-friendly” ones did not turn away from us...
    Apparently, even the Master of Asymmetric Answers to GDP have not yet found an appropriate format (quite seriously, by the way)...
  51. +1
    3 June 2024 13: 48
    Why are there so many red lines? The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China at one time issued more than a thousand "latest Chinese warnings." So we still have a long way to go to reach the thousand. But... the one who walks will master the road. So there will soon be a new aphorism, “The Last Russian Warning.” Whether Zakharova will want to associate herself with them is unknown. Most likely, the last warnings will be given by someone like Konashenkov...
  52. +2
    3 June 2024 14: 12
    All this looks like empty chatter.
    It is hypocritical to think that some should calmly shoot right through Ukraine, while others should say “oh, how did this happen.”
    Well, “Red Lines” - the media are happy to invent their own at every step. When the Kremlin, it seems, came up with it only once (albeit also somewhat vague)

    Well, as for the failure to fulfill the promises of the authorities... everyone is so used to it that they don’t pay attention. No matter how many authors try to “question something in the desert”
  53. -2
    3 June 2024 15: 44
    However, would you dare to drop a nuclear bomb? Has anyone thought about the consequences of using nuclear weapons?
  54. +1
    3 June 2024 16: 02
    It all started with attacks on strategic airfields last year. Reset to zero, now remain silent for the next stage. And about those who launch a UAV tower without any snot and that’s it. These are all strategic objects of the nuclear deterrent forces.
  55. +1
    3 June 2024 16: 07
    It is very difficult to say what the response should be to an encroachment on our strategic targets, but it should be terrible

    The West is rational to the core. Only unpredictability and inadequacy will stop him. The Anglo-Saxons learned to mitigate the risk of unacceptable damage by using “proxy” armies and territories. But there remains a risk of losing control of the situation. Here they rely entirely on the gradual escalation method. And this is their only weak point...
    1. -1
      3 June 2024 16: 31
      But there remains a risk of losing control of the situation. Here they rely entirely on the gradual escalation method. And this is their only weak point...

      That's right. It is a daring move and super-escalation on our part that can still save the situation.
      But our Foreign Ministry and the helplessness of the leadership making strategic decisions stand guard against the interests of the United States.
  56. +1
    3 June 2024 17: 57
    The Kremlin does not have combat-ready nuclear weapons... all of their service life has already expired, and no new ones have been made.... since in 1994 the Russian government committed itself not to produce fissile materials for nuclear weapons... but plutonium warheads have a service life 15-18 years, after which they are removed from combat duty or storage and for disposal... uranium warheads have a service life of no more than 30 years, after which they are also removed from combat duty or storage and transferred for disposal... weapons-grade uranium has ceased to be produced yet in 1989-90 Under Gorbachev, weapons-grade plutonium production ceased in 1990-91. also under Gorbachev...until 1994 they released a small batch of weapons-grade plutonium for the so-called “rejuvenation” of old warheads...the production reactors were stopped, one reactor continued to operate in power mode...in 2009 that was also stopped...
    ---
    Not so long ago, the United States and the USSR conducted dozens of nuclear tests. What for? After all, new nuclear weapons were not created every year. So they created a new nuclear charge and tested it - it exploded... And then why carry out tests again - to dispel doubts about the combat effectiveness of the new ammunition for yourself? No, they tested en masse nuclear munitions of old models produced in a certain year - they took a nuclear munition from a series produced in a certain year - if it worked, the series of munitions remained on combat duty or in storage, and if it did not work, the entire series of that year was removed from combat service duty or removed from storage and sent for disposal. They paid attention - some of the nuclear weapons exploded with minimal power - this was officially reported in our newspapers. But in fact, such an allegedly “unsuccessful” or declared low-yield test condemned the entire series of nuclear weapons released in the same year as the one that failed the test.
    ----
    And since testing of military nuclear weapons is prohibited, then why not conduct the so-called. peaceful nuclear explosions? ... That's what the USSR did. For example, to create underground gas storage facilities near Astrakhan, 35 km north of the city, on October 18, 1982, four underground nuclear explosions with a yield of 46-46 kt were carried out. according to the Vega program. The first was on 18.10.1982/9/00 at 1050:9 a.m. at a depth of 05 meters, the second at 1100:9 a.m. at a depth of 10 meters, the third at 990:9 a.m. at a depth of 15 meters, the fourth at 975:24 a.m. at a depth of 1983 meters. And on September 8, 00, north of Astrakhan, similar explosions (six in total) under the Vega program were repeated at 8-05, 8-10, 8-15, 8-20, 8-25, 21-1984 with the same power and at the same depths. On July 140, 6, 00 km east of Uralsk, to create underground gas storage facilities under the Lyra program, three nuclear explosions were carried out at 6-05, 6-10, 850-850 at a depth of 960, 27, 1984 meters . On October 9, 00, under the Vega program, to the north of Astrakhan, to create underground gas storage facilities, two more nuclear explosions were carried out at 9-05 and 850-950 at depths of 2022 and XNUMX meters with the above power. And now, having again detonated a couple of nuclear charges, we would create several underground gas storage facilities, they are not at all superfluous for us. At the same time, they would set the brains of the “hawks” from the West in their place. What's even more profitable? But there is nothing like it. There were, however, rumors that in the summer of XNUMX they tried to test nuclear weapons twice. Both times it was unsuccessful. And, apparently, it is not at all by chance that our president has repeatedly called and is again calling on the West and Ukraine for peace negotiations...
    1. +2
      3 June 2024 21: 55
      Your sheet rests on one logical answer: If everything you wrote were true, then Washington would have long ago launched a nuclear strike on Russian territory as a preventive measure, and as an edification to all sympathizers. If this did not happen, then everything is in perfect order with nuclear weapons in Russia, which Fashington is aware of, therefore, today it is not a mattress army that is fighting openly, but cannon fat under the latent command of Fashington, because no one will need dollars after a nuclear war.
      1. -2
        3 June 2024 22: 04
        What brings me to despair is the general idiocy of the victims of propaganda... and why launch a nuclear strike on the Russian Federation if the Kremlin - a) no longer has nuclear weapons. b) liberals sit in the Kremlin :-)
        1. +1
          3 June 2024 23: 50
          But I am not surprised by the alternatively gifted ones: that is, if the Kremlin had nuclear weapons, then the fascist would strike, but since it doesn’t, then they don’t strike.
    2. 0
      3 June 2024 22: 11
      And since testing of military nuclear weapons is prohibited, then why not conduct the so-called. peaceful nuclear explosions?

      Any nuclear explosions are prohibited
      1. 0
        3 June 2024 22: 15
        Instead of demonstrating determination and strength, they will deliberately give up everything - just to be clean and perhaps get a place on the rug in the hallway of the West :-)
    3. 0
      4 June 2024 20: 35
      Dear Alexander Igorevich Rifeev! Where on the pages of VO, from you, perhaps, does the “classified information” come from? Is it possible that they “threw out” a sore point not out of malice, but for the sake of cheap “hype”? Or maybe, on the instructions of TsIPsO, to “pull” into a substantive conversation those who are actually “in the know” about our nuclear weapons? Let's be more restrained in our assessments and judgments on such a “sensitive” topic in such a difficult time....
      1. 0
        5 June 2024 08: 35
        let's be more restrained .... the authorities will praise us for our consciousness :-) in their opinion, the masses should not know the true state of affairs in the Russian Federation and the Northern Military District
  57. 0
    3 June 2024 20: 07
    all the words, without exception, remained words, the situation brought the situation to the point that it flew across the Kremlin

    One must think that it arrived weakly. If it had arrived well, then probably the answer would have been cruel, which is what we armchair experts expect. Muscovites live well! They don't care about the war.
    1. +4
      3 June 2024 20: 21
      If it had arrived well

      This is the trick of the amers - so that the Ukrainians “fly” to soldiers and ordinary people, and so that God forbid the elite are not affected in any way, so that “songs-festivals-resorts” continue
      1. +1
        4 June 2024 02: 49
        The elite in the crocus were affected, the reaction was zero
  58. +2
    3 June 2024 20: 12
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    We rattle nuclear weapons - they show that they can reach our early warning systems without a massive strike with detectable preparation.

    But the Foreign Ministry will still express yet another concern, puff out its cheeks, and spout something about those without anana in the world wunderwaffle.
    1. +2
      3 June 2024 20: 18
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      about the wunderwaffle that has no analogues in the world

      here you are mistaken, the foreign ministers are muttering about a mysterious asymmetric response (well, it’s like they’re hitting us with missiles, and in return we’ll invest in their papers through offshore companies and sell uranium at a discount through third countries)
  59. 0
    3 June 2024 20: 33
    If we can, then shoot down AWACS. You are a nuclear facility to us, and we are likewise to you.
  60. 0
    3 June 2024 20: 40
    But we need to give those who are testing the strength of Russia’s strategic defense a slap on the wrist

    Of course we should. The question is simple - why are the drug addict’s office, Bandera’s General Staff and the Ministry of Defense, the gur and the SBU, and further on the list, which ours certainly have, still standing unharmed?
  61. +1
    3 June 2024 22: 08
    Unfortunately, it is unlikely that what is written and commented here will affect the situation. Does anyone believe those at the top? It seems to me that they put it on those walking on the earth, they play like checkers, they agree on what to do. Initially, GDP surprised everyone, but after that everything fell into place - Russia showed that it cannot solve such processes alone - so now there are lines and agreements and I shake hands. They show that they can, GDP is also trying to show something - in the global expectation that everyone in the West will simply get tired of this drudgery.
  62. +1
    3 June 2024 23: 14
    M-yes.
    The show-offs gave results. They began to touch us in earnest.
  63. -1
    4 June 2024 00: 52
    It's time to stop being hysterical. There are not many turbo patriots in Russia. the desire “the whole world is in ruins” somehow does not inspire.
  64. +1
    4 June 2024 01: 04
    Failure to respond to such actions leads directly to nuclear war.
    Because when NATO troops cross the border, how can we fight them? And they will definitely cross, because they will be sure that nothing threatens them
  65. 0
    4 June 2024 03: 17
    It seems to me that we need to go more precisely here. Identify the gunners on their side. And a bounty on your head. Did this one suggest? He disappeared somewhere, somewhere now he lies... forever.

    In response to a threat, people unite. Why do we need united gay Europeans? It’s better to throw some wood into their fires so that they can burn each other. In all the discontent...
  66. +1
    4 June 2024 08: 25
    One or two drones were taken out for an hour, a day, a week. And so it will be, they, that is, the Americans, will study the very possibility of disabling such an important system in missile defense as the early warning system.

    They will study it, but I hope ours won’t sit idle and will take countermeasures. And this means learning something new.
  67. +1
    4 June 2024 09: 40
    Why not anchor 300-400 km from the coast of Britain 2-3 of our frigates or corvettes with Calibers with nuclear warheads. On combat duty, so to speak. In addition, from these ships periodically (once a week) launch a 200 kilogram drone with a normal charge of 5-10 kg towards the shore. The drone should draw figures in neutral waters, but off the coast of Britain. Then it goes into the ocean and explodes. Let them watch and be hysterical. Is this war? No. Threat? Yes. And so on until British missiles stop crossing Russian borders.
  68. +1
    4 June 2024 11: 12
    It is very difficult to say what the response to an attack on our strategic targets should be, but it should be terrible. So that next time no one would think of sending a drone, say, to Kaliningrad.

    The answer suggests itself.
    Ukraine is attacking a strategic Russian target in response to the DPR, or the Kherson region, or the IRA (intransigence), or the Bosnia and Kosovo Liberation Army, or the New Caledonia Liberation Army, or the Units for the Liberation of the Jamahiriya, etc. attacking a NATO strategic facility with conventional weapons. Moreover, they can be located anywhere. Nothing prevents you from creating intercontinental-range drones if necessary. How many times do you have to chew this?
    Missed the chance in 1999 with Yugoslavia, in 2001 with the Taliban, in 2003 with Iraq, in 2011 with Libya and Kadafi
  69. -1
    4 June 2024 11: 34
    A very timely and correct article. Only there will be no result, because what is needed is political will, which is not there, but there is a desire to come to an agreement with the “partners”. And there is trembling in the knees, where would we be without it, if the elite has money, real estate and children, there, not here. I stopped watching TV because they lie like they breathe. I’m not young anymore and I remember how before the collapse of the USSR they lied on TV and everyone understood it. It's almost the same today. But our liberal doesn’t even want to part with open enemies, he’s looking for another place, it’s a pity, it’s impossible, these are friends. We need to call the war a war, and not a shy SVO, then the people will understand a lot.
  70. 0
    4 June 2024 11: 39
    Quote: Former soldier
    On combat duty, so to speak. In addition, from these ships periodically (once a week) launch a 200 kilogram drone with a normal charge of 5-10 kg towards the shore. The drone should draw figures in international waters, but off the coast of Britain.

    Why does a Russian frigate have to go 10 km from the British coast for a UAV with 300 kg of explosives? And why should some pieces be eliminated and not strike back?
    What prevents it from launching from 3 thousand or more kilometers? Calculate the entire reservoir and its release and it will turn out to be not much more than 200 kg. There will be a completely symmetrical answer. Let them think about escalation later.
    1. 0
      4 June 2024 12: 15
      Why does a Russian frigate have to go 10 km from the British coast for a UAV with 300 kg of explosives? And why should some pieces be eliminated and not strike back?
      What prevents it from launching from 3 thousand or more kilometers?


      1. I’m not sure that we have light, cheap drones with a range of 3 thousand km.
      2. Why maneuvers near the shore? What if, instead of maneuvering, he once again moves to Britain? The unknown is what scares us the most.
      3. A retaliatory strike on the territory is closer to war. And in terms of hysteria, it is almost equal to long-term maneuvers under the nose.
      4. As Lavrov said, if they want war, let them start first and this will be their blow to the frigates.
  71. 0
    4 June 2024 12: 29
    In practice, the SVO is a military-political operation, which in the military part is controlled by the General Staff of the Russian Federation, and in the political part - by the Security Council of the Russian Federation, headed by the President of the Russian Federation. As you know, the Security Council of the Russian Federation meets every week and determines, among other things, the policy of the Security Council. Looking at the composition of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, you will not see people there who will make sudden movements in the policy of the Security Council and, consequently, in the military part of the operation. Unless there will be forced “retaliation operations” that Ukraine provokes. So is Kharkov now, this is a provocation of Ukraine after Belgorod. And the SVO itself is a provocation of Ukraine in the DPR and LPR. Moreover, all incoming military operations will be politically limited by the territory of Ukraine and decisions of the Security Council of the Russian Federation. The same Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation will influence decisions on the Northern Military District from the point of view of what they will think in the West and in the East too. Moreover, there will be reinsurance just in case, so that there is no escalation. Whether this is right or wrong, time will tell. In the meantime, Russia will train, adapt and restructure itself to meet the tasks of the Northern Military District that it is forced to solve and the problems that the West throws at it. The military is only the hands of politicians, but these hands must be skillful, experienced and lead to victory (if politics does not interfere).
  72. 0
    4 June 2024 12: 38
    There will be no answers. It's time to understand this. Again, someone miscalculated, didn’t think, didn’t foresee that the fighting would go beyond the borders of Ukraine. And they will spread to Russian territory. The unfounded scares from Russian officials towards the West are intended for domestic consumption, and nothing more.
  73. 0
    4 June 2024 17: 28
    1. I’m not sure that we have light, cheap drones with a range of 3 thousand km.

    They write that Geranium weighs 200 kg. They fly 2 thousand kilometers with a 50 kilogram warhead.
    With a 10 kilogram warhead, the fuel will be 40 kg more and, accordingly, the range will undoubtedly be greater.
    If you use starting boosters, you can raise the entire starter by another 50-60 or more kg. and will hang additional fuel.
    You can make one from two Geraniums with a common krill.
    You can tow the Geranium and then the tow will return.
    In 1934, the Ant-25 with a 3-person crew made a flight of 12 thousand kilometers. It can be made with modern technology and with 10 kg. combat load and see what weight it will have.
  74. 0
    4 June 2024 20: 25
    The article by Mr. Skomorokhov R., again, “pushes” the “expert society” of VO to another discussion “about nothing”... For starters, there is already a war with the EU-NATO “at the hands” of a national fascist state under the former called Ukraine, very vaguely reminiscent of a “police operation” with the mysterious and patriotically exciting name of the North Military District... And in war, as in war: bullets, shells, missiles and bombs fly on both sides of the demarcation line... I would express the cautious hope that our past and present Supreme Commander assumed such a development of the scenario... Another question is how this war scenario was embodied in “bronze and marble”, by those who prepared “options” for the development of this scenario and were obliged, by virtue of their positions, to “lay out” in advance "straws" on, let's put it mildly, "tank-dangerous directions... Real "straws" and not "verbal diarrhea" about multipolarity, self-determination, the "Russian world" and with gusto they drew "red lines" on all international corners and political "infighting" ", without real, tangible, for the pockets and well-being of the "foreign partner", actions that are tough, unpredictable and inevitable... The result of this "don't care", multiplied by lack of professionalism and a certain "healthy "braininess", surrounded by the Supreme, did not force themselves a long time to wait... The iron of war, all of Europe + the USA, "flew" to Russia, right up to the Kremlin walls, then to the strategic objects of Stavropol (TU-22M3), "Voronezh".... This is the enemy's true "assessment" of our determination , readiness, perhaps, the ability to respond and dictate one’s will and conditions... The West has not been the same for a long time - classically understandable, smart and pragmatic. The current West seems to respect brute force and the inevitability of punishment in the style of the respected comrade Kim Jong-un... At the moment and in our current worldview, something has moved from a “dead point”... We’ll see, as they say, more in the non-Russian city of Odessa...
  75. 0
    6 June 2024 17: 26
    In general, the attack is not very logical. "Voronezh" in the Orsk region monitors the missile situation from the Taklamakan desert (China) to the sea coast of Syria. It is highly unlikely that something could fly from this sector towards us,


    The southern direction is one of the most missile-dangerous; the Indian Ocean contains combat patrol zones for most American strategic nuclear submarines....
  76. 0
    6 June 2024 22: 15
    Here the answer to this show depends directly and directly on the President of the Russian Federation! Unfortunately for us, he was STILL!
  77. 0
    7 June 2024 13: 03
    It seems to me that the plan here is more cunning, Ukraine is hitting the radar so that we pull the air defense away from the frontal station, where planes with missiles (and most likely with their pilots) should soon arrive (or already), and the West really needs media success from this delivery from They all have elections coming up. Therefore, these blows gave us a fork, in chess language. That’s why ours, apparently, are now so zealously taking up Starokonstantinovka, so a direct answer here will not give anything (like a strike on Alaska), if we respond very sharply, they will shift the focus to a less resonant refinery and nuclear power plants, but their main goal is to ensure media success from the supply of aircraft , so it will be very difficult to answer this move.
  78. 0
    8 June 2024 20: 23
    pencils will be replaced by felt-tip pens. there are many flowers in the box