Shooting device "Rosyanka" for combating UAVs

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Shooting device "Rosyanka" for combating UAVs
"Rosyanka" devices with barrels of different lengths


A variety of means are used to combat light unmanned aerial vehicles conducting reconnaissance or carrying a combat payload. In particular, smoothbore guns perform well weapons with shot cartridges, having an advantageous combination of firepower and probability of hitting a target. A direct analogue of such a weapon is the recently created shooting device or insert barrel “Rosyanka 12x76”. It allows you to turn any machine gun with an under-barrel grenade launcher into a gun.



In a short time


The creator of the product “Rosyanka 12x76” is the company “Ingra” from St. Petersburg. Previously, it was engaged in the production and sale of personal protective equipment and military equipment, and a few months ago it decided to contribute to the fight against enemy UAVs. An interesting idea was proposed, and soon an initiative project appeared.

According to known data, the idea of ​​​​creating a specialized shooting device appeared no later than March of this year. In just a couple of weeks, Ingra employees developed a project and prepared experimental devices for future testing. The entire development and refinement process, from the idea to sending the first batch to the troops, took about two months. At the same time, the project developers had to make efforts and give up weekends.

The product “Rosyanka” was officially presented on April 15. By this time, the first tests were carried out, showing the potential of the device. At the same time, it was reported that the production of a pre-production batch of products for future testing among the troops had begun. Production of products and dispatch to units took minimal time.


Charging process

Also in April, the use of the Rosyanka against a typical target was demonstrated for the first time. The shooter easily noticed the approaching UAV- a quadcopter, aimed a machine gun with a grenade launcher and a "Rosyanka" product at him, after which he hit the air target with one shot.

On May 17, the development company announced the arrival of “Rosyanok” to unnamed units for military testing in the Special Operations area. A few days later, the first photographs from these events were published. The use of the new product for typical purposes in a combat zone has not yet been demonstrated, but it can be expected that it will be shown soon.

The development company has already brought “Rosyanka” to production and included it in the catalog of its products on the official website. In addition, the product is available for order. Probably, Ingra hopes that the firing device will interest buyers, help in the fight against Ukrainian UAVs, and also bring profit to its developers.

Simplest design


The “Rosyanka 12x76” firing device is actually an insert barrel for existing under-barrel grenade launchers. It is simple in design and has only one function, but due to this certain advantages are achieved, and the main characteristics are at the required level.


The product is ready to fire

The product "Rosyanka" is distinguished by its simplicity of design. Its main part is a smooth 12-gauge barrel (18,6 mm). The developer demonstrated barrels of different lengths with different ballistic and combat characteristics. The barrel breech has a smooth cut with side grooves for removing the spent cartridge case. In addition, in the breech area there is a tubular thickening with a diameter of 40 mm with a welt for fixation.

The serial version of the firing device has a total length of 250 mm with a maximum diameter of 40 mm. Weight – 340 g. It is compatible with rifle cartridges 12/70, 12/76, etc., having a metal base up to 20 mm long.

The product comes with a compact carrying bag, and also comes with instructions and a marker for notes. The manufacturer provides a guarantee for 100 shots with recommended cartridges. They also warn that the use of other ammunition may cause misfires.

Operating principle


The use of "Rosyanka 12x76" is not difficult. To use this device, you need appropriate cartridges and an AK series assault rifle with a GP-25 or GP-30 underbarrel grenade launcher. Independent use of the product is not provided - the mechanisms of other weapons are used when firing.


A 12-gauge cartridge with shot is placed in the breech of the "Rosyanka". Then the entire device is inserted into the barrel of the underbarrel grenade launcher until it clicks. Due to the thickened part, the device is correctly positioned, and the welt ensures reliable retention in place. In this case, the breech of the device is next to the trigger mechanism of the grenade launcher.

The shot is fired using the trigger of the GP-25/30 product. When you press the trigger of a grenade launcher, the hammer is cocked and released, followed by a strike on the primer of the rifle cartridge. The shooter can then remove the Sundew from the grenade launcher, remove or knock out the cartridge case and place a new cartridge in its place.

"Rosyanka 12x76" with a shot cartridge is intended for shooting at small air targets. Fire characteristics depend on the size and other parameters of the target, as well as on the cartridge. Thus, for a UAV with a diameter of 500 mm, the effective firing range is in the range of 15-35 m. The rate of fire is determined by the skills of the shooter.

Simplicity and limitations


In general, the Sundew product looks like a simple and elegant solution to a current problem. Tests have shown that the firing device/inset barrel copes with defeating small air targets. At the same time, at the design level it has several important advantages, although it is not without significant drawbacks.


"Rosyanka" and standard carrying bag

The advantage can be considered the extreme simplicity of the design. Essentially, "Rosyanka" is a smooth barrel without any additional parts, moving parts, etc. In this case, the trigger, which is necessary for firing, but can complicate the design, is actually borrowed from an under-barrel grenade launcher. Such solutions made it possible to simplify the device and its production.

The “Rosyanka” is not an independent weapon and only complements the fighter’s standard weapons. Thanks to this, the shooter will not have to carry a gun along with the machine gun to shoot at UAVs, which will simplify service and combat work. At the same time, the insert barrel allows you to quickly respond to emerging threats and open fire.

However, “Rosyanka” is not without its shortcomings, and they are also related to the simplicity of the design. Thus, the product can fire only one shot, after which a rather lengthy reloading procedure is required. This may result in wasted time and additional risks. The solution to this problem is to carry several shooting devices, but this option is not ideal.

Thus, the “Rosyanka” device is capable of fighting UAVs and can be a replacement for a full-fledged gun, incl. showing noticeable advantages over it. At the same time, this product at the level of concept and design has some specific features that may lead to difficulties or problems.


Inset barrel during military trials

In such a situation, it is necessary to further study the original concept and develop optimal ways to use and apply the firing device. If it is possible to formulate such recommendations, then “Rosyanka” can count on success and a certain distribution among the troops.

Different approaches


The fight against light reconnaissance and attack UAVs is now of particular importance, and various organizations offer their solutions for this. A number of specialized electronic warfare systems have already been developed, and optimal fire methods are also being studied.

Production model shotguns have demonstrated their potential in the fight against UAVs, and a similar example of a simplified design is now offered. "Rosyanka", vaguely similar to guns and using the same ammunition, is currently being tested by the troops, and its capabilities when used in real combat conditions will soon become known. We can expect that this development will perform well and live up to expectations.
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  1. + 20
    31 May 2024 05: 12
    In my opinion, this is an illustration of the saying “Grow a vegetable garden.” After all, it’s easier to develop a shotgun/shotgun shot for a grenade launcher, especially since there’s something to be developed there? Loading is easier and faster, no need to carry extra weight.
    But this is not a complaint against the developer, this is a question for the "commanders" and their requests to the military-industrial complex, of course.
    1. + 16
      31 May 2024 06: 22
      Absolutely right - a grapeshot, or rather a shotgun, shot of 35 mm caliber will give a much better result, provided that it is containerized to ensure a range of 30-40 meters. No more is needed, and with such a load it will require too strong a charge. The volume of shot will be several times higher than in 12-gauge, and the probability of damage will be correspondingly higher. The barrel sleeve is steel, inserted into the GP-25 and longer than the standard grenade launcher barrel. When aiming not at the barrel, and even under stress, it will be very difficult to hit with a single shot from the proposed 12-gauge model. It's better than nothing, so the reviews probably can't be negative, but it's clearly not the best solution in this category.
      1. +4
        31 May 2024 08: 46
        or rather a shotgun, a 35 mm caliber shot

        Well, what about a machine gun cartridge for a standard magazine with a bullet that flies apart into a cloud of small pieces at a distance of 20-30 meters? With the rate of fire of the Kalashnikov, you will get the same field and a lot of shrapnel. And you can load every other one with a regular one or a tracer.
        1. +4
          31 May 2024 10: 53
          However, “Rosyanka” is not without its shortcomings, and they are also related to the simplicity of the design. Thus, the product can fire only one shot, after which a rather lengthy reloading procedure is required. This may result in wasted time and additional risks. The solution to this problem is to carry several shooting devices, but this option is not ideal.

          You can make a disposable product from cardboard and plastic and carry several pieces with you.
          1. 0
            31 May 2024 12: 41
            I advise you to first try a shotgun with a plastic barrel with cardboard reinforcement laughing
            Quote: umah
            You can make a disposable product from cardboard and plastic and carry several pieces with you.

            The pressure in 12x70 standard is 650 atmospheres... And cardboard propane cylinders are finally top... lightweight, which is very useful on a hike good laughing in which the pressure is 25 times less than "total"
            P.S., think before you do something. cartridges You're casting bullets Colleague! soldier hi
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              1. +1
                31 May 2024 14: 45
                Well, a disposable composite at its cost - well, that’s it. But I can’t say anything about the cost here, because I don’t know the topic. Therefore, I suggest not breaking copies drinks hi
                I’m just talking about what I think even a person who is far from gunsmithing and hunting has seen the thickness of the chamber walls of a 12 gauge. But the problem is that the pressure is 650 atmospheres at 12 gauge (18,6 mm) and for some .22 - there at a pressure of 1300 atmospheres - the elastic limit of steel and the wall thickness of the 12 gauge are greater, because the total force is clearly greater. Therefore, I believe that yes... the composite can and will withstand 1/2 a shot of something small, but it’s unlikely to be large request recourse
        2. 0
          31 August 2024 07: 31
          The aircraft guns of the shooters were equipped in the same way /An-12, Il-28/ alternating armor-piercing, incendiary, high-explosive and anti-radiation.
      2. +6
        31 May 2024 16: 31
        It won't work. Such a shot charge will either fly at the speed of a grenade and even less than a traumatic one, or will knock down the shooter if it flies at the speed of shot. And accordingly, a long barrel will be required so that the required amount of gunpowder has time to burn. There are few people willing to shoot 62-gram charges from a 12 gauge.
        1. +1
          10 June 2024 06: 21
          You meant the 62 gr projectile, not the charge. Yes, the recoil even in 12 gauge from a super-magnum is of course strong, and from a 40-mm shot (taking into account the cartridge case-barrel, the real caliber will most likely be about 34-35 mm), it will be even more impressive. But you should still take into account the difference between the process of hunting and fighting. When hunting there is a desire for comfort, relaxation, and therefore even from a super-magnum you strain both your shoulder and your ears feel discomfort. And in battle, this is a shot of the last chance, in fact, there is no time for comfort.
        2. 0
          6 July 2024 22: 59
          . or the arrow will be blown away


          Interesting note. Either the speed is like a grenade, or goodbye to the shoulder. The damaging elements do not roll.
          The size of the grenade allows you to shoot something like “Bolo (bolas)” - elements connected to each other, or throw a net towards you. And you don’t need speed, and you don’t need a lot of energy. The propellers got tangled and the drone fell.
      3. +2
        5 July 2024 23: 30
        Quote: Slon1978
        shotgun, a 35 mm caliber shot will give

        Machine gun failure, shooter injury. Shotgun load requires a certain barrel length, at least 40 cm (20 calibers) and a weapon weight one hundred times greater than the weight of the pellets being thrown. A 35 mm shot load is 400 g of pellets, i.e. the weapon weight needs to be 40 kg. A goose maker in general.
    2. +3
      31 May 2024 07: 15
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      In my opinion, this is an illustration of the saying “Grow a vegetable garden.” After all, it’s easier to develop a shotgun/shotgun shot for a grenade launcher, especially since there’s something to be developed there? Loading is easier and faster, no need to carry extra weight.

      I wrote about this 10 days ago. They downvoted it then.
      1. 0
        31 May 2024 08: 19
        Quote: Good evil
        I wrote about this 10 days ago. They downvoted it then.

        And even now the card-hater minuser is operating. laughing
    3. +3
      31 May 2024 09: 58
      As I understand it, Ingra is not involved in the development of ammunition, so only the barrel for the grenade launcher. And those involved in the development of ammunition will not soon receive the go-ahead to develop it. So maybe something really is better than nothing
      1. +2
        31 May 2024 19: 57
        Or maybe it’s really like a grenade launcher. After departure, a rocket-propelled grenade additionally shoots a large cloud of buckshot, and at a greater distance. Still, fighters with strong nerves need to shoot at a UAV at a distance of 15-30 meters. Not everyone will probably be able to. The opinion of the comfreys is interesting.
        1. 0
          31 May 2024 20: 25
          Most people have tempered nerves. They shoot at the UAV with Kalash until the last minute and shoot it down. We're already used to it, apparently. There is a video where one shot them down with a butt. And even earlier, one pretended to be dead, and when the drone flew up, he tore off its blades with his hands. Looks like nerves of iron
          1. +1
            1 June 2024 13: 45
            And a lot of videos for those who didn’t succeed
      2. +3
        5 June 2024 20: 23
        As I understand it, Ingra is not involved in the development of ammunition... And those who are involved in the development of ammunition will not soon receive the go-ahead to develop it.
        Whoa! That's the whole answer. Given our legislation and law enforcement practice, private developments in the field of weapons and ammunition are underdeveloped. The same production of sniper rifles by Vladislav Lobaev means many years of purposeful work by diehard enthusiasts of their craft. And then - in front of the Northern Military District, the authorities rolled a barrel at the leading private company developing military “firearms”. The inspector in the weapons storage room determined that the anti-burglary bars are of the “wrong” thickness... People are really afraid to get involved with all this: if someone in the regulatory authorities wants a bonus, promotion or new shoulder straps, they will also imprison you... Well, as for the military-industrial complex, which is “allowed!”... Either until the developers themselves reach “initiative development”, while they develop, until at least someone is interested in their “product”... Or until the “customer” issues a development task ... So the men are trying to get out as best they can.
    4. +1
      31 May 2024 11: 24
      After all, it’s easier to develop a shotgun/shotgun shot for a grenade launcher, especially since there’s something to be developed there?
      so it is so.. But to reconfigure (or rather create) new lines for continuous production what Here's the problem. You can, of course, use some of the existing lines for anti-drone shots, but... then the number of standard ammunition produced will decrease. So I think (and hope) this is just a temporary measure for now! hi
    5. +1
      31 May 2024 14: 20
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      After all, it’s easier to develop a shotgun/shotgun shot for a grenade launcher

      This is on the couch, then launch it into production, bring it to the troops... And, most importantly, don’t mix it up when charging.
      This loose barrel is simple, light and cheap. Can be mass produced. Quick to put on and take out.
      Another advantage is that you can use any 12 gauge cartridges, including those with a mesh, which they have started to produce!
      So we are waiting for the results of those who will use them in real combat.
      1. 0
        2 June 2024 14: 00
        Quote: DrEng02
        This is on the couch, then put it into production, bring it to the troops... And, most importantly, do not mix it up when charging.
        Judging by what you wrote below, you will definitely confuse a grenade with a fuse and a can with buckshot...


        Quote: DrEng02
        This loose barrel is simple, light and cheap. Can be mass produced. Quick to put on and take out.

        Yeah, from the couch you can see it's fast. Take the device, load a cartridge there, insert the device into the GP, shoot and hit. Fast. But in case of a miss you need to pull out the device, pull out or "knock out" the cartridge case, there is no extractor, load the cartridge, insert the device and so on. A standard shot from the GP is much faster, really much faster.

        Quote: DrEng02
        Another advantage is that you can use any 12 gauge cartridges, incl. with the mesh that they began to produce!
        The only advantage. Drones are here to stay, and GP will be in demand for a long time. So Rosyanka is an ersatz.
        1. 0
          2 June 2024 17: 55
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          you will definitely confuse it

          who knows. By the way, have you tried loading a firearm in the dark? bully
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Take the device, load a cartridge into it, insert the device into the GP, shoot and hit.

          You will be surprised, but preparation for the shot can be done in advance request
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Only in case of a miss

          you can die... hi I believe that there will not be enough time to recharge anyway..
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          A standard shot from the GP is fired much faster, much faster.
          in any case, the barrel length is not 5 calibers, but this is significant....
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          So Rosyanka is an ersatz.

          Does anyone argue? Experience will show, the main thing is that they are looking for solutions, life will weed out the unnecessary...
          1. +1
            3 June 2024 06: 23
            Quote: DrEng02
            who knows. By the way, have you tried loading something firearms in the dark?

            Did you disassemble and assemble the AK with your eyes closed? I did, and successfully, so it’s a matter of practice, and a small one at that. And in the case of the GP, the difference between a pointed grenade and a “can” with shot will be noticeable in mittens and in the dark, and not just in the dark.
            Quote: DrEng02
            You will be surprised, but preparation for the shot can be done in advance
            Can.

            Quote: DrEng02
            you can die... hi I believe that there is not enough time to reload anyway..
            Firstly, even 100 grams of buckshot is three times more than the standard 32 for 12/76, so the probability of damage is much higher, and secondly, the rate of fire of the GP is very high, especially the GP-30.

            Quote: DrEng02
            in any case, the barrel length is not 5 calibers, but this is significant....
            At 100 grams there is no buckshot, not significant, plus wad containers can increase accuracy, and significantly. For your information, the weight of a standard GP shot is 250 g. of which 50 grams are “case” and gunpowder. Total.
            1. 0
              3 June 2024 12: 37
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Did you disassemble and assemble the AK with your eyes closed?

              even for a while... feel
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              And in the case of the GP, the difference between a pointed grenade and a “can” with shot

              so you already know the design? bully
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              With 100 grams of buckshot, no, not significant

              There is such a concept - the range of a direct shot, so the length of the barrel is significant!
              1. 0
                3 June 2024 17: 55
                Quote: DrEng02
                even for a while...

                That is great. Why then was it stupid to write about “don’t mix it up when charging”?

                Quote: DrEng02
                so you already know the design?
                But for buckshot, do you need something more shaped than a cylinder? Have you ever seen hunting shotgun cartridges? And the rifling of the main gun here does not at all interfere with the shape of the warhead of the shot.

                Quote: DrEng02
                There is such a concept - the range of a direct shot, so the length of the barrel is significant!
                And a direct shot also depends on the propellant charge and the thrown mass. You're not planning to shoot down drones from a kilometer away, are you?
                Let me just remind you about the masses of the VOG-25 shot
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                At 100 grams there is no buckshot... ...For your information, the weight of a standard GP shot is 250 grams. of which 50 grams are “case” and gunpowder.
                1. 0
                  4 June 2024 11: 59
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Why then was it stupid to write

                  look in the mirror - you can distinguish cartridges with different purposes by touch: for example, BZ from the usual one? bully
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  But for buckshot, do you need something more shaped than a cylinder?

                  There will be a cylinder in any case, the question is with what head and ejection charge... well, and the question of the detonator - a remote tube? And the price? Or do you want to use? the design of a regular cartridge? so your buckshot will fall apart at 10 meters...
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  And a direct shot also depends on the propellant charge and the thrown mass

                  the charge is essentially constant, buckshot is prone to scattering, which is why hunting rifles have different shapes at the end of the barrel - choke, half-choke, but for the purpose in question a medium choke is better... hi This increases accuracy up to 1.4 times... can you do the same in a grenade launcher? feel
                  1. 0
                    4 June 2024 12: 29
                    Quote: DrEng02
                    look in the mirror - you can distinguish cartridges with different purposes by touch: for example, BZ from the usual one?

                    Not cartridges, but bullets, there is no armor-piercing cartridge, there is a cartridge with an armor-piercing bullet. Why differentiate bullets from each other? You need to distinguish bullets from buckshot, and if you can’t distinguish a pointed bullet from a charge of buckshot, oh, you can’t go far from the mirror. (In the case of the GP, a grenade from a charge of buckshot).

                    Quote: DrEng02
                    There will be a cylinder no matter what, the question is with what head and expelling charge... well, and the question of the fuse - a remote tube? What about the price?
                    Are you delusional? What fuse for buckshot?

                    Quote: DrEng02
                    Or do you want to use? design of a conventional cartridge? so your buckshot will fall apart at 10 meters...
                    You write something about paychecks and chokes, but you don’t know about wad containers, which are a hundred years old...

                    Quote: DrEng02
                    the charge is essentially constant
                    Here is a person who does not know that in hunting cartridges for different types of loads different weights of gunpowder are used, he writes something about chokes. Yes, in artillery different mountings are generally the norm.


                    Quote: DrEng02
                    Buckshot is prone to scattering
                    Hand face... This is the essence and purpose of buckshot and shot.
                    1. 0
                      4 June 2024 12: 53
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Yes, in artillery different loads are generally the norm

                      It's scary to even read you - you suggest creating firing tables? Rangefinders and other fire control systems? feel
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Why differentiate bullets from each other?

                      self-spanking? bully
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      about wad containers that are a hundred years old...

                      in fact, they were invented to simplify equipment, reduce leading of the barrel and deformation of the shot. Reducing the spread is secondary and is not a fact; with such a mass it will be effective.
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Are you delusional? What fuse for buckshot?

                      buckshot is when shrapnel has no slowdown :) However, if you think about it, then for a special grenade launcher projectile for the target in question, this is a very reasonable solution! It is difficult, of course, but effective! The fuse tube, of course, will need to be made simplified - for 2-3 distances. 1 - essentially buckshot, 2 - opening at 25-30 m and 2 - 50-60 m.
                      1. 0
                        4 June 2024 15: 04
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        It’s scary to even read you - do you suggest creating shooting tables? Rangefinder and other fire control systems?

                        I suggest not ignoring the inconvenient.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Here is a person who does not know that in hunting cartridges for different types of loads different weights of gunpowder are used, he writes something about chokes.



                        Quote: DrEng02
                        self-spanking?
                        ? Have you come up with a new term for a person who can't tell the difference between an ogival shape and a cylinder?

                        Quote: DrEng02
                        in fact, they were invented to simplify equipment, reduce leading of the barrel and deformation of the shot. Reducing the spread is secondary and is not a fact; with such a mass it will be effective.

                        Actually, to increase the accuracy of the scree, and only then the rest, as a pleasant addition.

                        Quote: DrEng02
                        Buckshot is when shrapnel has no deceleration
                        Well, shotguns also contain shrapnel, right? Just without slowing down. Buckshot is buckshot. But the shrapnel remote tube placed on buckshot is what you wrote about, in your own way.

                        Quote: DrEng02
                        However, if you think about it, then for a special grenade launcher projectile for the target in question, this is a very reasonable solution! Difficult, of course, but effective! The fuse tube, of course, will need to be simplified - at 2-3 distances. 1 - essentially buckshot, 2 - opening at 25-30 m and 2 - 50-60 m.
                        And this is written by a person who is worried that the soldiers will confuse a grenade with a can... Yeah, but they won’t confuse the distances.
                      2. 0
                        4 June 2024 16: 28
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        I suggest not ignoring the inconvenient.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Here is a person who does not know that in hunting cartridges for different types of loads different weights of gunpowder are used, he writes something about chokes.

                        where did you see something inconvenient? do you seriously believe that someone will go for a reduction in the powder charge, i.e. a reduction in the initial velocity in the hypothetical special ammunition for the GP under consideration? I have to repeat myself - you are self-defeating with strange arguments... hi
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Actually, to increase the accuracy of the scree

                        read the manufacturers...
                        https://www.pro-shooter.ru/collection/gilzy-pyzhi-konteynery

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        a grenade will be confused with a can.

                        You have strange terminology... evening - beer on your mind? bully
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Yeah, but they won’t confuse the distances.

                        if they want to live - they won't! I understand that you didn't understand the essence of my proposal and the basis on which it appeared? I don't see the point in casting pearls any further... good luck! hi
                      3. 0
                        4 June 2024 17: 19
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        I don’t see any point in throwing beads further... good luck!

                        It’s a pity to waste time arguing with a stupid person, namely you.
                      4. 0
                        4 June 2024 18: 19
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        It's a pity to waste time arguing with a stupid person, namely you.

                        You were raised poorly by your parents and it shows!
                      5. 0
                        5 June 2024 02: 57
                        Quote: DrEng02

                        You were raised poorly by your parents and it shows!

                        What can a person notice who confuses shrapnel with buckshot and cannot distinguish them from a bullet? laughing
                2. 0
                  5 July 2024 23: 33
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Let me remind you about the masses of the VOG-25 shot
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  At 100 grams there is no buckshot... ...For information - the weight of a standard GP shot is 250 grams

                  The speed of the grenade is still less than 100 ms, but the shot needs at least 400 ms
                  1. 0
                    7 July 2024 16: 22
                    Quote: eule
                    The speed of the grenade is still less than 100 ms, but the shot needs at least 400 ms

                    According to the tables, they shoot with different weights and with an initial speed of 300 m/s.
                    Accordingly, without changing the powder weight, 70 grams of shot, and this is about one and a half times more than the maximum weight for 12 gauge, approximately 300 m/s will be given...
    6. +3
      31 May 2024 16: 03
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      After all, it’s easier to develop a shotgun/shotgun shot for a grenade launcher, especially since there’s something to be developed there?

      Impossible. Buckshot is only for cannons or shotguns that won't explode from a powerful shot. The same goes for shrapnel shells that fly out at high speed. The underbarrel grenade launcher is just a throwing device for grenades. Even if we make grenades with air detonation, you won't hit them and the energy of the explosion will go in different directions, not just forward, which is dangerous at a distance of 20 m.
      Here they did what they could - an inserted barrel of not too large a caliber, from which the grenade launcher would not fall off.
      A homing mini-missile would be ideal, but you yourself understand the other costs involved.
      1. 0
        2 June 2024 14: 08
        Quote: Naked Man
        Impossible. Buckshot is only for cannons or shotguns, which will not be torn apart by a powerful shot. There are also shrapnel shells that fly out at high speed. The grenade launcher is just a throwing device for grenades.

        But a shotgun is a throwing device for buckshot, shot and bullets, so what? Do you think throwing a 250 gram grenade 400 meters is the level of a slingshot? Even 100 grams is three times more weight than for a 12/76 magnum cartridge.
    7. +1
      31 May 2024 20: 55
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      In my opinion, this is an illustration of the saying “Grow a vegetable garden.” After all, it’s easier to develop a shotgun/shotgun shot for a grenade launcher, especially since there’s something to be developed there?

      That's exactly what it is. Rather than inventing insert barrels, it is more logical to launch special ammunition for a grenade launcher. Only not grapeshot, but shrapnel, or rather even segmented, as a hundred years ago they called diaphragm shrapnel with non-round striking elements. Like flat brands like Beech. This will dramatically increase the power of the explosive charge without increasing the recoil force. Such ammunition is also useful in other types of weapons, for example in KAZ.
      1. +1
        2 June 2024 14: 10
        Quote: Saxahorse
        Only not grapeshot, but shrapnel, or rather even segmented, as a hundred years ago they called diaphragm shrapnel with non-circular striking elements.

        Yes, this is unprincipled; you can put anything into a wad/container. At the required distance, shrapnel is an unnecessary complication.
        1. +1
          2 June 2024 20: 29
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Yes, this is unprincipled; you can put anything into a wad/container. At the required distance, shrapnel is an unnecessary complication.

          This is a question of charge power; shrapnel accelerates the striking elements at the moment of detonation, again allowing the destruction range to be increased. Even if you initially set only the range, 30-40 meters for example. But in essence, of course, you are right, it is logical to create ammunition, not inserts.
    8. +1
      31 May 2024 22: 09
      It is easier to distribute hunting pump guns or Saiga magazines, as well as ammunition with arrow-shaped elements. You can also use helmet-mounted directional microphones for accurate detection with night optics.
      1. 0
        2 June 2024 14: 20
        Quote: merkava-2bet
        It is easier to distribute hunting pump guns or Saiga magazines, as well as ammunition with arrow-shaped elements.

        It may not be simpler, but it’s better, it’s about Sundew. And so the GP, and also “Knuckle dusters”, will be in the army for a long time precisely as grenade launchers, so grapeshot anti-drone shots are needed
    9. 0
      2 June 2024 13: 36
      The only problem is that the grenade launcher has a very short barrel and therefore the spread of the shot will be very high. In addition, the lethal force drops sharply. Both are last chance shots. But it's better to have at least something.
      1. -1
        2 June 2024 14: 12
        Quote from Voronezh
        The only problem is that the grenade launcher has a very short barrel and therefore the spread of the shot will be very high.

        But even a 100 gram charge of buckshot is three times more than that of a 12/76 magnum. And the GP throws a 250 gram grenade at 400 meters.
  2. +2
    31 May 2024 05: 23
    10 gauge could be made.
    1. +2
      31 May 2024 12: 56
      Quote: BARKAS
      10 gauge could be made.

      The 12th is probably more widespread.
      1. +3
        31 May 2024 13: 05
        Quote from cpls22
        12th more widespread

        Historically, the 10th was not used in the USSR, maybe it was in some individual quantities - but in 30 years I have never seen it request
        The same applies to 24, 32 and 410... weapons in general are there (I even had a chance to shoot), but they practically don’t use them, and if they did buy them, they would let young children shoot them. Well, maximum for very small game, if you don’t yet have the right to use rifled ones - and then a 5,6LR carbine, etc. is easier.
    2. +1
      31 May 2024 18: 37
      This makes no sense: with a 12 gauge supermagnum (12/89) you are on par with a 10 gauge, with the advantage of being able to use all the smaller 12 gauges (12/70 and 12/76)
  3. -1
    31 May 2024 05: 42
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    After all, it’s easier to develop a shotgun/shotgun shot for a grenade launcher

    It would be easier to start producing canister shots for 23mm automatic cannons, and even for a 125mm tank gun. The Abrams doesn't have a high-explosive fragmentation shell yet, but it does have a canister shot, range up to 500mm, 1150 tungsten balls, opening up to 70m... hard to miss
    1. +3
      31 May 2024 06: 06
      Quote: Konnick
      It’s easier to start firing grapeshot shells for 23mm automatic guns, and even for a 125mm tank gun. The Abrams do not yet have a high-explosive fragmentation shot, but they do have a grape shot, a range of up to 500 mm, 1150 tungsten balls, an opening of up to 70 m... it’s hard to miss

      Are you suggesting that instead of a grenade launcher, an infantryman be given an artillery gun or, better yet, a tank gun?
    2. +3
      31 May 2024 06: 19
      It's hard not to miss, but to aim. From a tank cannon, and at sparrows.
    3. +2
      31 May 2024 07: 44
      I’m just sleeping and I can see the speed of a gun’s vertical aiming and a tank’s turret horizontally!... By God, it’s like a sparrow out of a cannon! And most importantly: a detection/tracking device on the tank? Optics or radar - ...
    4. 0
      31 May 2024 10: 02
      From a cannon at "sparrows"?
  4. -1
    31 May 2024 06: 23
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Are you suggesting that instead of a grenade launcher, an infantryman be given an artillery gun or, better yet, a tank gun?

    Are only infantrymen fighting? No technology? Can you shoot at 20 meters with a short barrel? When you can remove a quadcopter from a tank, with its thermal imagers and optics, at an altitude of 100 meters and at a distance of 300 meters with buckshot, you can even with its elevated gun. And in general, the tank needs a grapeshot shell
    1. 0
      31 May 2024 22: 15
      It's a pity that you were released from the ban. You can still do a lot of damage, a lot.
  5. +2
    31 May 2024 07: 23
    This product should be treated like a hand grenade. Not a gun, not a grenade launcher, the same range of 20-30 meters, but it is used. Despite the same modest characteristics. And this shooter will be used in the same way. In addition, it can probably be used in close combat, shooting from the hip at point-blank range. So it is a multifunctional device, though "in one shot".
    It seems to me that soon someone will come up with a “shot” like a rocket launcher, disposable. after the shot the tube is thrown away. The advantage is that the caliber can be “accelerated” to 40 mm, the main thing is that the arrow does not break the collarbone when fired.
    1. 0
      31 May 2024 13: 03
      Quote: wlkw

      It seems to me that soon someone will come up with a “shot” like a rocket launcher, disposable. after the shot the tube is thrown away.

      Absolutely right. Actually, the first comment under the article is about the same thing.
    2. 0
      31 May 2024 17: 16
      How did they shoot from an arquebus in the Middle Ages? Or in WWII, with a 14 mm anti-tank rifle (if my memory serves me correctly)? In addition, 23 mm is, in my opinion, about 4 caliber (or 26 mm) and how are all these rocket launchers fired from the hand? In short, it’s better to kick industry than to bully, they have testing grounds and laboratories, but there’s no money in the billions here, that’s the problem!
  6. -1
    31 May 2024 07: 34
    And from 20 meters there’s no way to just hit the drone with a machine gun?
    1. +4
      31 May 2024 09: 34
      Statistics show that there is no way... there is a probability, but it is low recourse request
    2. +1
      31 May 2024 10: 15
      Of course you can get there. One might even say that it is quite possible to get there. But you need to liberally equip the magazine with tracers and shoot in long bursts. At close ranges, one drone consumes one magazine, or even two. Plus, a shooter firing in long bursts, and even with tracers, is very noticeable.
      1. +2
        31 May 2024 12: 55
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        store tracers and shoot in long bursts

        Ummm belay While the transition charge is burning all the way to the tracer, the bullet has time to fly away at least 40+ meters - so there is no point in using tracers. If it costs 1 ku, then the excess of the bullet at such a range is 2 cm, if you look at the tables, well, if it costs 3-4 ka, then it’s clear to take it lower, under the copter itself - I think it’s even more convenient, the front sight does not obscure the target (well, for me personally feel ). + the target is actively moving both horizontally and vertically at decent angles. If you don’t have the skills for such tactics and they were practiced for show, there are no options request
        1. -1
          31 May 2024 13: 12
          But, but! No need for extremes. It is useless to fire at an actively moving target with a machine gun. With an AK it only makes sense against a hovering target, but if you shoot in a long burst and rely on tracers, then all sorts of centimeters are not important.
          1. +2
            31 May 2024 13: 20
            You offer for the poor unfortunate frozen Why would a drone shoot from 100m? Well, a hovering drone is like a spherical horse in a vacuum. Yes, and seeing and hearing a drone from 100 meters is a problem, the target is not so contrasting and does not wear a red uniform like the British did in the Nagla-Burg War, just as they do not fly in linear stacks.
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            No need for extremes

            I'm neither a boy nor a girl - I don't like extremes laughing This is not your colleague, I just remembered for a laugh purely wink
            A fact is a fact - the most optimal and effective weapon is something like Saiga 12, shot 00-0000 container + sprinkling with starch .... sharpness range and uniform scree - up to 50 meters, and 0000 - up to 70. Well, sharper gunpowder like sunar/leopard or modern analogues - it saves a lot of space for an additional wad, for example. Well, play around with the clicks - but it’s the shooter himself who selects the specific cartridges himself
            1. 0
              31 May 2024 13: 24
              I can see pigeons from 200 meters, so 100 meters is not a problem at all. Fraction, of course, is more effective, but in the absence of a maid, you can have fun with the janitor.
              I would also give net launchers to everyone as a weapon of last chance.
              1. +1
                31 May 2024 13: 29
                Well, someone is already producing buckshot on their own initiative. For me, the future belongs to it, but 12 gauge will not be enough IMHO. I think I saw an article somewhere... but I don’t even remember... but in the GP 25/30 in the form of a standard grenade, of course you can try... there, in fact, high speed is not required - because the drone will not be amazed by kinetics, but will become entangled in the fishing line
                Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                I can see pigeons from 200 meters

                Well, from 200 meters I will not only see a “hovering” pigeon - but only the feathers will remain. laughing
                1. +1
                  31 May 2024 13: 31
                  Grenade launchers and other grenade launchers have high recoil, as do calibers greater than 12. So it's a double-edged sword.
                  1. +1
                    31 May 2024 13: 39
                    Well, he has to throw a very strong grenade (I don’t remember the specific weight of the grenade itself, the speed is about 75ms, but here the task is for the knitted buckshot to fly more or less 50 meters, maintaining at least 50-100 m/s - accordingly, the impulse will be much less. request + The advantage of the GP 25/30 is its fairly high rate of fire. If you don’t take it out of the pouch, but they are lying nearby, then you can have time to shoot a second time
  7. +4
    31 May 2024 07: 44
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    But this is not a complaint to the developer, this is a question to the “father-commanders” and their requests to the military-industrial complex, of course.

    Military industrial complex? Commanders? Who is in charge of the military-industrial complex in the Moscow Region? Ah, Krivoruchko, the young prodigy who is shorter than the director and did not work. True, for some reason his education was legal and his wife gave birth to children in the states who now have American citizenship...Why not make a claim against him? They spent a lot of money on a tank for parades, but didn’t even think about simple UAVs, and even now they have no time for that, just to stay in the chair and not end up in Lefortovo .... I just wanted to say in the basements of the Lubyanka
    1. +2
      31 May 2024 08: 25
      Is your "Reply" button not working?
      Quote: Konnick
      Military industrial complex? Commanders? Who is in charge of the military-industrial complex in the Moscow Region? Ah, Krivoruchko, the young prodigy who is shorter than the director and never worked.

      There are many questions for the military-industrial complex, but the commanders are obliged to demand something and push for changes in tactics. But in many ways they are our "commanders".
  8. +8
    31 May 2024 08: 14
    The LBS needs a standard Saiga-type self-loading shotgun, not this squalor!
    1. +1
      31 May 2024 17: 05
      Saiga is a weapon, albeit for hunting. Like any weapon, it requires care and the ability to use it. Are all the prize-winning skeet shooters at LBS? Probably not. Plus, as a second weapon, and the fighters are already fully loaded, it looks so-so. The idea of ​​a plug-in barrel is interesting, but in my amateurish opinion it’s a dead end. If you really think about it, then in the direction of the standard shotgun ammunition for the grenade launcher.
    2. +1
      31 May 2024 17: 28
      In my opinion, a missile with a range of 300 meters in a straight line (without automation) like a children's Katyusha of 30-40 mm caliber is needed for LBS. With a warhead detonation sensor when approaching a drone at a distance of 3-5 meters. With a guaranteed defeat of the same at this distance. And such a missile should be with every infantryman, according to the principle of the USSR army, when it was assumed that every infantryman had to have an RPG18 Mukha with him to fight tanks. It is desirable to have an attached optical (or night as an option) sight to the launch tube of this missile and possibly laser target illumination. It is also possible to assemble a block of 4 * 6 missiles in one tube! The thing is not very complicated and the idea has already been tested either by China or the States.
  9. +1
    31 May 2024 08: 26
    Quote: Yuri77
    The LBS needs a standard Saiga-type self-loading shotgun, not this squalor!

    So he also shoots at 30 meters
    1. +2
      31 May 2024 09: 08
      Obviously, in the name "Rosyanka 12x76" the numbers mean the size of the cartridge (12 gauge usually holds 32 g of pellets) a smooth barrel of 250 mm will have low accuracy and very uneven pellet dispersion compared to a hunting rifle and also a short range, i.e. there will be no time to reload for a second shot. If I were the developers, I would try to use a rifled barrel, at least it will give an ideal pellet pattern, just like in Silma Becassier guns
      1. 0
        31 May 2024 13: 20
        Quote: agond
        If I were the developers, I would try using a rifled barrel, at least it will give an ideal shot pattern, just like in the Silma Becassier guns.

        This can make production more expensive. Developers M.B. rifled and offered, or choke, but the economics of production made adjustments.
      2. +1
        31 May 2024 21: 33
        In Silma Becassier shotguns, rifling provides effective distribution of shot in the scree at a distance of up to 10 meters (with a rifle barrel length!). Moreover, this design of Italian shotguns is intended exclusively for small shot at woodcock and small bird. And small shot at a distance of 30-40 meters, even if it hits, not every drone will be destroyed. That is, from "Rosyanka" without any rifling, shot for the same 10m. guaranteed to fly away.
  10. +3
    31 May 2024 08: 41
    Is it possible to use a regular rocket launcher? The one from which signal flares are launched? It is simply designed and rockets (and, accordingly, cartridges with buckshot or shot) can be quickly changed.
    1. 0
      31 May 2024 10: 57
      Is it possible to use a regular rocket launcher?

      More likely, something like a “shturmpistol” with a reinforced barrel chambered for grapeshot. Although, perhaps, a multi-shot lightweight shotgun would still be better. Still, the barrel is longer, the stop is more reliable, and the multi-shot capability.
    2. 0
      31 May 2024 17: 03
      No, it's easy. The 12 cartridge will dry out your hand at best.
      There is little gunpowder in rockets.
  11. +6
    31 May 2024 09: 10
    It's not funny anymore. Some have discovered that wings can be attached to a cast iron bomb and it will become more accurate, and now there is a shot barrel for drone shooting. Hospadi, well, people have been using this for a long time:
    1. +3
      31 May 2024 10: 01
      I also don’t understand what’s going on here. Is it difficult to attach a barrel with a tubular magazine and a trigger to a machine gun? Damn innovators...
  12. +1
    31 May 2024 09: 22
    I have already written about this, but I will repeat myself. The Vyatka-Polyansky enterprise "Molot" produces hunting multi-shot smoothbore guns "Vepr". The magazine of this gun is designed for 8 rounds of 12/76. Plus 1 round in the chamber. The range of destruction with buckshot from this gun is somewhere up to 70 meters, with a bullet - up to 100 meters. In comparison with this Rosyanka - an advantage in everything. Both in multi-charge and in the range of destruction. There are hunting bullets Tandem, which are a steel roller in a plastic container with a tail. This bullet can also penetrate a bulletproof vest, because it is steel. Externally, this gun is very reminiscent of the Kalashnikov assault rifle. This is a very good weapon for close combat and for shooting at drones. But that's not even the point. "Molot" developed a hunting weapon based on the RPK machine gun. The products are reliable. So why not create a smoothbore machine gun based on a hunting weapon? To reduce weight, it could be a 20/76 caliber. That would be enough. That would be a weapon against drones. By lengthening the barrel, say, to 80-85 cm, it would be possible to increase both the range and the accuracy of fire. It would also be possible to use "Lancaster" barrel drilling, which would also increase the effectiveness of this weapon. We need to do something, not just sit around.
  13. +3
    31 May 2024 09: 28
    that is, one single-shot))? If he didn't shoot down first, then his comrade Ukrainian Wait until I ram the shell into the gun tightly, fly a little, otherwise I'm disposable, what are you doing, inventors? Put pump-action shotguns in the army en masse, even MC 21 12
  14. +3
    31 May 2024 09: 35
    For such a weapon, caliber 4 (23 mm) should also be suitable, taking into account the low rate of fire, this should increase the chances of hitting the target, and will make it possible to use a bunch of special ammunition developed for the KS-23.
  15. 0
    31 May 2024 09: 50
    Quote: Slon1978
    The volume of shot will be several times higher than in 12-gauge, and the probability of damage will be correspondingly higher.

    It won’t work - the sheaf of shot will have low speed and high dispersion.
  16. +1
    31 May 2024 09: 51
    You can separately develop a simple device for sundew. But Ingra probably does not have such powers
    1. +1
      5 July 2024 23: 40
      Quote: igorbrsv
      You can separately develop a simple device for sundew. But Ingra probably does not have such powers

      That's right. The trigger mechanism is, according to Russian laws, the "main part of the weapon", which means a license for the production of weapons, chemical weapons, alarms and other expenses. And this device ... does not have the main parts of the weapon, the fact that it has a smooth barrel with a chamber is apparently decided at the level of the "roof" against the supervising institutions.
  17. +1
    31 May 2024 10: 02
    And now look: a grenade launcher during an assault is an extremely useful thing. And you need to protect yourself from drones. During the battle, this stray automatically forces the fighter to make a choice. He doesn’t have enough time to think and make a decision, he just went out to shoot?! As a result, it’s neither this nor that and the chances of not dying at least do not increase.
  18. +1
    31 May 2024 11: 06
    The purse is somehow not stylish and without a strap, but in general - bang and pray. Or vice versa, if you have time...
  19. 0
    31 May 2024 11: 08
    The main problem is that the GP is muzzle-loading like a gun 200 years ago.
    1. 0
      2 June 2024 14: 36
      Quote: Dmitry Ivanov_8
      The main problem is that the GP is muzzle-loading like a gun 200 years ago.

      But the rates of fire are not comparable.
  20. +1
    31 May 2024 12: 25
    Quote: wlkw
    This product should be treated like a hand grenade.

    Why don’t they also make hand-held anti-drone grenades with a stabilizer and buckshot - like there are cumulative ones.
    1. Aag
      0
      31 May 2024 19: 02
      How can you then protect yourself from the buckshot of your own grenade?
      And, - explosion from what? Time? Heights?
  21. 0
    31 May 2024 12: 39
    Ein Lösungsansatz von mir: Kal. 10/89, Waffe Baikal MP 156. Patronen mit einem Schrotbecher wie beim Trap Schießen. Ein Standard Schrotbecher öffnet sich nach ca. 5-7m, Reichweite 30-40m. Aufgabe! Entwickeln Sie Schrotbecher die sich erst nach 10-20-30m öffnen und erhöhen Sie so die Reichweite. Mehr als 80-90m können aber nicht erreicht werden. Die Schrotladung von 10/89 ist ca. 75g.
  22. +2
    31 May 2024 12: 52
    Quote: dauria
    or rather a shotgun, a 35 mm caliber shot

    Well, what about a machine gun cartridge for a standard magazine with a bullet that flies apart into a cloud of small pieces at a distance of 20-30 meters? With the rate of fire of the Kalashnikov, you will get the same field and a lot of shrapnel. And you can load every other one with a regular one or a tracer.

    It would be magical... but how do you imagine this magic bullet?
    Why should it fly apart into pieces without encountering an obstacle?
    Here they can’t fit a remote detonation into a 25mm projectile, but you’re dreaming about bullets)
  23. +2
    31 May 2024 13: 33
    I think this "sunflower" is crap! I know this "prefix" because I watched the video on the Internet! Just imagine... well, you fire once from this "sawed-off shotgun" ... and then you have to "unhook" it from the under-barrel grenade launcher, load a cartridge, insert the "sawed-off shotgun back and aim the weapon! This takes a lot of time! And for one shot? What do I think is more appropriate? Yes, use the same GP-25, but with anti-drone rounds: 1. a multi-element (shrapnel) grenade like the 23-mm 9-A-4256 projectile and the 30-mm 9-A-1611 projectile! 2. a grenade with a net and weights like the 12-gauge "Perekhvat" cartridge! Let's say these are "Perekhvat-40.1" and "Perekhvat-40.2"! Among the proposals is also the GPR-20 rocket-propelled grenade... We can assume that this is a larger caliber munition than the GP-25! Then we can use a fragmentation grenade with a non-contact radio fuse! If we use a 12-gauge weapon, it would be better, for example, a revolver "sawed-off" underbarrel grenade launcher! Or something like a "pepperbox"! wink
    1. +2
      31 May 2024 13: 57
      This is a good, temporary, interim solution. Especially at a time when nothing else was developed and released.
    2. Aag
      0
      31 May 2024 19: 05
      It seems like everything was written correctly.
      But the revolver grenade launcher is almost a separate product. And in terms of weight, dimensions, b/p....
  24. -1
    31 May 2024 13: 55
    A multi-barreled shotgun must be made from these barrels. With a butt. And for a grenade launcher, an insert with the maximum possible caliber and a barrel further than the cut of the machine gun barrel. And even better is a multi-bullet Kalash cartridge....
    1. Aag
      0
      31 May 2024 19: 13
      Sorry, - according to your version, - it turns out to be something similar to.... Remember the program "In the World of Animals"? N. Drozdov hosted (earlier, - V. Peskov... I don't remember Zguridi due to his age). So there was a story about catching migratory birds - a bunch of people mount a single net throwing (throwing)...
    2. 0
      31 May 2024 21: 41
      I’m embarrassed to ask - who will carry a multi-barreled shotgun in battle?
  25. +5
    31 May 2024 14: 10
    "An interesting idea was proposed and an initiative project soon emerged."
    The idea is not interesting. It is enough to know the history of the introduction and use of various shells for rifle mortars and signal pistols of the Wehrmacht. A wide range of all these wurfkopfers and panzerwurfkopfers with interesting ideas and technical solutions were implemented in small, often experimental batches with very limited use, and only some of them received practical development and were developed to practical army use. For example, few people know that the 42LP anti-tank cumulative round for a signal assault pistol was tested in the summer of 1943 in Kuban, but in this form it did not receive practical application, but became a prototype for the appearance of the first type of faustpatrone. Well, actually, the underbarrel grenade launcher with a rifled barrel with a fragmentation grenade came from there. But only in this form. All other attempts to cross the underbarrel grenade launcher or signal pistol with various "curious ideas" turned out to be unviable. With this I predict that the same fate awaits "Rosyanka".
    Now to the point. Not every soldier has a grenade launcher for a machine gun. This is the first. The low aiming capabilities of using a grenade launcher, which was originally designed to send a projectile “in the direction”, is the second. Yes, from ten meters in the event of a drone hovering in bench conditions, taking into account the shot fall of a 12-gauge cartridge, it is probably possible to hit. But these are ideal conditions. Will they be in combat?
    Now about the destructive power. Hunters know that shooting with buckshot from a smoothbore gun at large game (wild boar, roe deer) is effective at a distance of approximately 50 meters. Further, both the probability of hitting due to dispersion and the destructive power of buckshot decrease sharply. But this is when shooting from a gun. And this is practice. Hence, the declared properties of the effectiveness of the "Rosyanka" at a distance of up to 30 meters in the absence of test shooting results at least with a horizontal shot and at least at a stationary target (size of the scattering) with different types of projectiles (shot, buckshot) seem very complimentary given the length of the barrel of the product.
    Well, considering the single loading, this weapon is seen either as a weapon of last resort, or as an original way to support morale with the probability of hitting a drone at the level of statistical chance.
    1. 0
      5 July 2024 23: 43
      Quote: Wretched
      anti-tank cumulative round 42LP for a signal assault pistol

      Anything pistol requires a very well trained pistol shooter. First-class minimum. And with wild motivation and indifference to life, that is, either a widower over 40 years old, or a young man with a pagan worldview.
  26. +2
    31 May 2024 14: 57
    Long time to recharge. You won’t always get it right the first time, and you may not succeed the second time. Reloading should be like a pump-action shotgun, at least for 3-4 shots
    1. 0
      31 May 2024 15: 42
      Significantly increasing the weight of a weapon will reduce its effectiveness. Then a shotgun would be a better second weapon.
  27. +3
    31 May 2024 15: 10
    Quote: also a doctor
    A multi-barreled shotgun must be made from these barrels. With a butt.

    How do you like the 26mm rocket pistol? Or something similar to the German "Luftfaust" - 9 x 20 mm rockets with buckshot?
  28. 0
    31 May 2024 16: 02
    The destruction range is 35 meters, which is very small. FPV drones fly fast. Loading, aiming and hitting them is difficult. It will take a long time to learn this and not everyone will learn. The probability of a shooter being hit by shrapnel is very high. It’s good to shoot down Maviks at the training ground in daylight. Reminds me of Molotov cocktails and anti-tank rifles in the Soviet Union
    1. +1
      31 May 2024 19: 09
      You won't get further with a regular gun either. There are goose guns with a long barrel. But they were literally made by the same company. This is already the length of an infantry three-line rifle.
  29. 0
    31 May 2024 16: 17
    Quote: Olddetractor
    FPV drones fly fast. Loading, aiming and hitting them is difficult. It will take a long time to learn this and not everyone will learn. The probability of a shooter being hit by shrapnel is very high.

    1. The faster the FPVs fly, the more difficult it is to control them, see the target and hit.
    2. If learning to fire a shotgun at a drone is difficult (Nivo Goose Hunter), then learning to be an operator of this drone is much more difficult (Nivo Shooting Gun pilot).
    3. If you shoot with buckshot, there is no chance of the shooter being hit by shrapnel since there will be no shrapnel.
  30. +1
    31 May 2024 19: 07
    Cool idea. But it was not without reason that double-barreled shotguns were invented for hunters. And they are not aiming at automatic sighting devices.
    This thing needs some kind of learning method of its own.
  31. -1
    1 June 2024 17: 43
    What kind of useless crap is sent to the front. There won't be any good from this nonsense. During an FPV drone attack, time ticks by in a matter of seconds, and in such a stressful situation we are offered to hit accurately with a single shot, since there will be no time to reload. Most new contract soldiers do not have shooting experience; they only need a week or two of training before they can shoot with this thing.
  32. +1
    1 June 2024 18: 10
    Good, timely decision. good There is no other effective means of combating the massive use of FPV drones by the enemy. hi
    1. -2
      1 June 2024 18: 24
      And what's good about it? It’s better to fire an AK magazine at a drone than to shoot once without any sight from this nonsense. Moreover, there are not enough grenade launchers at the front.
  33. 0
    2 June 2024 13: 04
    The 10th or 8th caliber would be more effective, or based on the cartridge from the KS-23. And so, at least hang a shotgun pump instead of a grenade launcher with a tubular magazine for 3 rounds. In the States there were such even on the civilian market
  34. 0
    2 June 2024 17: 11
    Is it possible to come up with some kind of cartridge with shrapnel for the GM-94? Or do something of a smaller caliber based on it? Surely, there was something similar in the USSR; our gunsmiths created a lot of good things.
  35. +1
    2 June 2024 23: 10
    I believe that this thing with a dozen buckshot cartridges for it should be included in the standard equipment of a fighter. Just a kit for an under-barrel grenade launcher. This is certainly not the solution to the drone problem. BUT this is the weapon of the last frontier. For lack of anything better, at least something. If every fighter has such a thing loaded and ready, then, in principle, the sky will be cleaner. For normal cleaning, fighters are of course better off using self-loading shotguns. Shrapnel grenades, as some here advise, are terrible. Where to put the flying fragments and what will happen if the drone hovers not 30 but 10 meters from people?
    But shotguns cannot be carried as a second weapon; they are healthy. Therefore, they cannot be distributed to everyone; if they appear, only some “air defense fighters” will have them. But such “shooters” can be given to everyone. Here is a “brigade” of 3 people, one with a shotgun, two with an AK and grenade launchers with an insert, they can completely defend. Although, of course, the main problem here is not to shoot down, but to see. Of course, drones detect OLS and radar, but with their eyes...
  36. 0
    15 June 2024 18: 58
    Wouldn't it be easier to make a shot charge for VOG? Naturally with less pushing force behind the row
  37. 0
    15 June 2024 19: 02
    Russian, an intermediate option. Of course, a standard shot for the GP 25/30 is needed. Only the speed should be doubled to 150 m/s, and the weight should be reduced by 2,5 times, to about 100 g (for a comfortable shot from the shoulder). Then everyone will be happy.
    1. 0
      5 July 2024 23: 45
      Quote: vh48905
      the speed must be doubled to 150 m/s, and the weight must be reduced by 2,5 times, to approximately 100 g

      For kinetic damage, speed is needed 400 or more. The weight of the missile must be one hundred times less than the weight of the weapon, or the muzzle energy “joule per kilogram of weight” for pistols.
  38. 0
    18 July 2024 11: 05
    For me, it is more practical to develop multi-bullet cartridges for AK. The bullets can be located sequentially one after another, or the bullet can be multi-segmented, as in the cartridge for the Carcano rifle.
  39. 0
    8 September 2024 15: 38
    Total crap! And if it doesn't hit the target the first time, what should I do???