“Russian skill and ingenuity”: the cannon from the BMP-1 was converted into a towed gun

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“Russian skill and ingenuity”: the cannon from the BMP-1 was converted into a towed gun

Western observers drew attention to the unusual towed weapon used by Russian soldiers in the Northern Military District zone: it was based on a cannon from an infantry fighting vehicle.

Soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces demonstrate skill and ingenuity by converting the remains of the BMP-1 into towed artillery

- said in the Western press.



The 1-mm 73A2 “Grom” smoothbore gun was removed from the BMP-28, after which it was installed on a wheelbase, probably obtained from the 2B9 “Vasilek” automatic mortar.

Russian fighters are believed to be using this homemade artillery to support infantry offensively and defensively. The Grom cannon can fire two main types of ammunition: PG-15V cumulative shells (pierce 300-400 mm of armor or 1,5 m of brickwork) and OG-15V fragmentation shells.

The direct fire range is about 750 meters, which provides acceptable accuracy when shooting at targets at short range. The gun can reach a maximum firing range of 1300 meters when firing over long distances along a parabolic trajectory. However, it is unclear what results the Thunder shows in its non-standard role as a towed weapon.

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  1. +8
    29 May 2024 21: 14
    There is no point in wasting the good stuff, as the assault artillery of the front line is possible, the only question is the protection of the crew and maneuverability on the battlefield.
    1. +24
      29 May 2024 21: 24
      Exactly.
      The enemy, having discovered such a prodigy, will cover both the gun and the crew with one blow.
      I was very impressed by the video where they showed how our people hit a factory chimney with a grenade launcher, where the Ukrainian Armed Forces had installed a television camera, and immediately left, and after twenty seconds a shell flies to the place of the shot.
      For World War II there would have been a normal cannon.
      Well, as a last resort - for a fortified position from which no one is going to maneuver, it will be suitable. But "fight to death" is a bad tactic. Expensive. Defense must be maneuverable.
      1. +4
        29 May 2024 22: 24
        Interesting... Is there anyone from artillery schools to explain?.. Judging by the video, this miracle of technology can be attached to any "niva" or army buggy and dragged along with you, if necessary?
        1. +12
          29 May 2024 22: 29
          It would be better if they installed a machine instead of wheels, which could be installed on the same cargo Niva. That is, in modern terminology, to make a “jihad-car”.
          They shot a couple of times, and the position changed. And you don’t have to hook anything up, and even the crew doesn’t have to waste time landing - they’re already sitting in the back.
          1. +5
            29 May 2024 23: 37
            The Niva is too small for this caliber - it’s not a machine gun! The accuracy will be low and the recoil will be high. Here you need a base no less than the Urals. But as a towed gun - quite well! It can be carried by any passenger car! In addition, with her hands you can roll it into any entrance and basement, and dig a caponier for her in half an hour! Essentially this is good old regimental artillery! It’s good for sitting in ambush on the defensive, it can be quickly and even unnoticeably brought to the very front line, and if the enemy still discovers it, then it’s not such a pity - it’s not an expensive weapon!
          2. 0
            30 May 2024 11: 23
            Quote: Shurik70
            It would be better if they installed a machine instead of wheels, which could be installed on the same cargo Niva. That is, in modern terminology, to make a “jihad-car”.

            Jihad mobiles are still made on very strong Toyotas; the Niva cannot withstand such vibrations.
        2. +17
          30 May 2024 00: 15
          Probably not from artillery schools, and this is not their product. However, there is a BMP-1 gunner-operator, i.e. I. In fact, this is an LNG-9, with the difference that in an LNG the recoil impulse is compensated by the jet stream flowing backwards. But in a BPM this is a weapon and the recoil is perceived by the recoil gun, I think the UAZ will be rather weak as a platform. It fires a rocket-propelled grenade and is quite difficult to aim. While the engine is running, the grenade turns into the wind like a weather vane. After the fuel burns out, it is blown away by the wind and thus wind corrections depend on the firing distance. Moreover, the corrections are taken in different directions; in reality, to hit it you need to be a virtuoso.
          1. 0
            30 May 2024 02: 05
            Quote: motorized infantryman
            It fires a rocket-propelled grenade and is quite difficult to aim. While the engine is running, the grenade turns into the wind like a weather vane. After the fuel burns out, it is blown away by the wind and thus wind corrections depend on the firing distance. Moreover, the corrections are taken in different directions; in reality, to hit it you need to be a virtuoso.

            So that’s why they took them out, put in a 30mm autocannon and called the result BMP-2?
            belay
          2. 0
            30 May 2024 06: 16
            Thanks for the clarification. In general terms, it’s clear. As for a history department student, an explanation of higher mathematics.)))
        3. 0
          31 May 2024 18: 54
          "Is there anyone from the artillery school to explain?."
          it's just a boot on wheels - another freak, like a mtlb with a naval gun mount
      2. +15
        29 May 2024 23: 41
        I'm not happy either. This only means that the state does not provide its army with the necessary weapons and in sufficient quantities. If there was everything that was needed, the fighters would not have to invent this homemade “wunderwaffle.”
        1. +2
          30 May 2024 08: 33
          This doesn't mean anything. There are always craftsmen. And every commander wants to have something more powerful, not required by the staff, so as not to depend on the “uncle” or wait for the assigned forces. This is absolutely normal and has always been the case in all armies and wars. And even in peacetime, they create something abnormal for units, but not weapons. And I think that the “progenitor” of this system, the SPG-9, is much better, lighter, more accurate and more convenient, it’s just not in the unit (let’s say according to the state), they were planned to be removed back in the 80s as obsolete and replaced with ATGMs.
          1. +1
            31 May 2024 12: 42
            In my opinion, this design has an advantage over the SPG-9, namely the absence of an unmasking reactive tail. Also, judging by the video, this design has problems with maintaining vertical aiming.
            1. +1
              31 May 2024 14: 14
              It seems to me that the only plus, and of course it’s difficult (to hit) and scary to shoot from it, after all, it’s homemade. In appearance and size it resembles a 76mm mountain cannon, but that one is of course much cooler, but where are these cannons and shells now.
        2. -1
          30 May 2024 12: 56
          Quote: Sea Cat
          I'm not happy either. This only means that the state does not provide its army with the necessary weapons and in sufficient quantities. If there was everything that was needed, the fighters would not have to invent this homemade “wunderwaffle.”


          Where was this done and why, by whom and when? And is this a wafer at all, and not a test bench or a training aid, a simulator?
          If you cannot answer all these questions and are delighted or sad, you draw far-reaching conclusions - you are a primitive and a fantasist.
          This article causes me slight bewilderment - I shrugged my shoulders and that’s it...
          If this was done in the repair shop of the Donetsk mine, about eight years ago and stood at a checkpoint, I will treat it with understanding.
          Maybe this is selective shooting from expired batches to determine suitability or a stand for testing repaired guns?
          Or maybe it’s some kind of Kharkov TrO having fun...
          1. 0
            30 May 2024 20: 01
            And I have your comment
            causes slight bewilderment - he shrugged his shoulders and that’s it...
            fool
            1. 0
              30 May 2024 20: 31
              Quote: Sea Cat
              And I have your comment
              causes slight bewilderment - he shrugged his shoulders and that’s it...
              fool


              Twist your tail and clean your snout with asidol...
              What's in the video? Two unknown aged men in a uniform of an unknown type are at a certain training ground finding out the practical rate of fire of the Thunder, mounted on a homemade wheeled machine. It is unknown when and unknown where. request
              That's all! There is nothing more to invent here.

              The video was posted on Telega by the blogger “Sanya in Florida,” which may indicate the Ukrainian origin of the video. The landscape with high hills in the background is quite strange. It is hardly possible to identify the nationality of the third soldier in this video. From the conversation, even if the sound is original, nothing characteristic can be identified. This is what they say from Nikolaev to Rostov.
              request
              1. 0
                30 May 2024 22: 02
                Twist your tail and clean your snout with asidol...

                If you please, be rude. And this proves nothing except that you are a boor. hi
                1. 0
                  31 May 2024 14: 24
                  Dreamer... A simple statement of fact.
        3. -2
          30 May 2024 16: 23
          you make it sound like incompetence, when in fact it's sabotage and treason. the dudes that weirdly came to power after the popular vote against the, not only neglect some of the logistics efforts (not too many, let's be fair) but consciously mismatch many others, and thats where the worst things happen: neglecting the old stocks while focusing on the production of mediocre material, close to the quality of the recoverable ones, focusing on the profit instead of the rapid capacity building, directly subverting the front (they still sell functioning material on the civil market as we speak), overusing the volunteers while sparing the saboteurs, wasting resources and currency on specialized and isolated solutions or on useless operations (like bluntly throwing away the old engines, without any repair or making kamikaze drones out of bmp and mtlb) - they said they expose the material to spare the troops, but when material is gone they also expose the troops ... looks like the satanists lead from Leningrad prepare 3 scenarios in the same time, waiting to see which happens first - monarchic restoration, a new revolution with some territorial dissolution and a new yeltsin period.
        4. +1
          31 May 2024 01: 05
          Should I immediately dispose of it or put it in a warehouse? There is a barrel, there is ammunition. The machine is really big, but at short distances it can be used for its intended purpose. If it turns out “not very well,” it won’t take root.
          1. 0
            31 May 2024 03: 45
            I didn't talk about recycling. They did it themselves, this thing helps them - and it’s good. I mean that the state itself must equip all units with everything they need. If there was everything the fighters needed, there would be no need for such homemade products. They don't fight in partisan detachments.
            1. +1
              31 May 2024 03: 54
              I mean that the state itself must equip all units with everything they need.

              This is, of course, correct. Another question is that you will still have to wait for what you need here and already yesterday, especially if you need something specific. In this case, as in the old joke: “Where should I put the urn?”
              1. 0
                31 May 2024 04: 55
                Another question is that while you wait for what you need here and already yesterday,

                Yes, you are right about that. soldier
    2. +12
      29 May 2024 22: 13
      The only question is about protecting the crew and maneuverability on the battlefield

      Yes, there is no question about this. Or rather, the answer to it is unequivocal - zero. Zero survivability of the gun and crew, zero maneuverability. You can’t even say that such a weapon is better than none, because it’s really better than none - all sorts of LNG, AGS, ATGMs are easier to camouflage, move, and this fool will make her crew a priority target for the enemy. Not even because the enemy will perceive this cannon as a serious threat, but because it is an easy target, and there will be enough people willing to record the destruction of an artillery piece as an asset.
      1. 0
        29 May 2024 22: 25
        the enemy will perceive this cannon as a serious threat, but because the target is easy, and the record

        But look at it from the other side. This hybrid is unlikely to have been created out of despair or by order. This is an initiative. This means that such a light weapon is needed and is quite suitable for the situation. And as a target, it is more maneuverable than a mortar, for example. And the fighters would not invent something that would bind or expose them
        1. 0
          31 May 2024 19: 04
          “This is an initiative. This means such a light weapon is needed and is quite suitable for the situation.”
          Yes, it is not needed anywhere. with an aiming range, like an AKM, with dreary aiming and accuracy, with a children's rocket-propelled grenade projectile - where to use it. The soldiers simply have nothing to do, they are having fun. it’s like they were crawling through a sewer pipe into Avdeevka, the same thing laughing
      2. +4
        29 May 2024 22: 30
        UAZ 453 hi, this weapon has not been adopted for service and has not been put into production, most likely a local initiative and, as they used to say in the days of my youth, a rationalization proposal))), so they will test it in a combat situation and decide whether it is worth further use or vice versa.
      3. +4
        29 May 2024 22: 58
        Quote: UAZ 452
        Zero survivability of the gun and crew, zero maneuverability. You can’t even say that such a weapon is better than none, because it’s really better than none

        If such an “invention” appeared on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, there would be laughing and ridicule, but on our side, it would be a “great invention”! Why was the gun removed from the BMP? War is war, and then who will the dismantled equipment be blamed on?
        PS The correct proposal, in my opinion, is from Shurik70 - a cannon on a machine in the back of a cargo jeep - it turns out to be a heavy cart.
        1. +6
          29 May 2024 23: 06
          Why was the gun removed from the BMP? War is war, and then who will the dismantled equipment be blamed on?

          Well, here is the most likely answer - the guns are removed from damaged or faulty equipment that has no chance of recovery. A less likely option is that they were in warehouses in the form of spare parts for the same infantry fighting vehicles.
          1. +3
            29 May 2024 23: 22
            Quote: UAZ 452
            Well, here is the most likely answer - the guns are removed from damaged or faulty equipment that has no chance of recovery.

            But I think that maybe they were filmed from APU equipment, with a beaten chassis. If ours could not be repaired, then the gun would have been damaged, and no one would have given away the whole thing.
        2. 0
          31 May 2024 01: 18
          Why was the gun removed from the BMP?

          Well, you ask the innovators. Most likely with a BMP-1 bat. Don't let good things go to waste...
    3. +2
      29 May 2024 22: 25
      Quote: Murmur 55
      There is no point in wasting the good stuff, as the assault artillery of the front line is possible, the only question is the protection of the crew and maneuverability on the battlefield.

      No protection or maneuverability, just an ambush. Or, in the fog of the night, roll your hands into position. Five or six shots and the crew hides in shelters.
      In the video, the crew is most likely practicing high-tempo shooting at a firing range.
      1. +2
        29 May 2024 22: 32
        Michael hi, not most likely, but it is being tested at the test site in full, but further use will show practice.
        1. 0
          30 May 2024 01: 34
          Quote: Murmur 55
          Michael hi, not most likely, but it is being tested at the test site in full, but further use will show practice.

          I personally had no dealings with artillery from the treasury side, but an artilleryman I knew told me how they were gunned down. They loaded a dummy shell, aimed it, “shot” - it was simulated by hitting the helmet with the handle of a shovel, the rollback was normal! and again. And when, he says, they started shooting for real, the reflexes didn’t go away.
    4. +2
      29 May 2024 23: 58
      Can someone explain why this was created? What other artillery do we have?
      1. 0
        31 May 2024 02: 42
        What other artillery do we have?

        It seems that the massive use of attack drones has significantly reduced the amount of combat-ready artillery on both sides of the LBS.
        And since real battles take place at a distance of 200-300 meters, the capabilities of the “Thunder” may well be sufficient to conduct harassing fire on the enemy...
        1. -1
          31 May 2024 19: 10
          "then the capabilities of the Thunder may well be sufficient to conduct harassing fire on the enemy..."
          at such distances an automatic rifle is enough
          1. 0
            31 May 2024 19: 48
            The effect of AK fire and 73 mm "Grom" guns is noticeably different.....
            1. -1
              31 May 2024 20: 08
              "The effect of AK fire and 73 mm "Grom" guns is noticeably different....."
              exactly? The machine's rate of fire is 650 rpm, and the thunder's is 6 shots, at the same range. that's the whole effect. the weapon here is too strong a word. this is the same grenade launcher. and the warhead weighs a kilo of three hundred grams, not very much
              1. -1
                1 June 2024 02: 22
                the machine's rate of fire is 650 rpm, and the thunder's is 6 shots,

                You first find an AK with a 650 rpm magazine!
                The actual rate of fire of an AK when firing in bursts is 100 rounds per minute.
                What is more effective, 10 AK shots or 1 Thunder shot is a very controversial issue.
                If the enemy is behind cover, then at least fire 10 magazines from an AK there, it will do no good, and one shot from an RPG will do the job...
                1. -1
                  3 June 2024 19: 07
                  "and one shot from an RPG will do the trick...."
                  what work can he do? harassing fire is fire in that direction, without a guaranteed hit, just shoot so that the enemy hides in the trench. and this pepelats is more difficult to hide than just an arrow, respectively, and it’s much easier to hit it
    5. -1
      30 May 2024 05: 01
      sadly true - the ghosts of the saboteurs serdyukov and gerasimov are revived by Belousov.
    6. +5
      30 May 2024 06: 09
      There is a “boot” mounted grenade launcher “Spear” SPG-9. It fires exactly the same ammunition as the Grom cannon from the BMP-1, but is specifically designed for infantry.
      “Boots” are not enough, or what? wink
      1. 0
        31 May 2024 01: 29
        There is a "boot" mounted grenade launcher "Spear" SPG-9

        Apparently, because of the popularity of the “boot” - I read more than once that it turned out to be very popular under certain conditions, this thing appeared.
    7. +3
      30 May 2024 11: 32
      No, why waste something good?


      For an army claiming 2nd place in the world, it is a shame to convert the LNG into an analogue of a 45-mm anti-tank gun when the enemy uses FPV drones at a range of 20 km or more.

      Soon we will start firing cannonballs from the cannons of Peter the Great.

      All Rostec employees, together with Chemezov, should be sent on a business trip to Storm Z in the Northern Military District for a couple of months, I’m sure after that the army will immediately have Kurganets and Boomerang and Coalition and Armata and communications and KAZ for tanks and real protection of armored vehicles from drones, and not shameful a visor the size of half a tower does not save anything.
  2. +5
    29 May 2024 21: 15
    There's something really wrong with holding the aim.
    1. +4
      29 May 2024 21: 19
      firemann hi, in this video they most likely wanted to show the rate of fire and not the accuracy of fire.
      1. 0
        31 May 2024 01: 41
        There's something really wrong with holding the aim.

        Covering some small area target, such as forest planting, precisely due to the rate of fire - that’s the whole task. Special precision is not required, and it will not work. Or something like a “barrage of fire” or a barrier.
        1. 0
          31 May 2024 19: 12
          “To cover some small area target, such as a forest plantation, precisely due to the rate of fire - that’s the whole task.”
          cornflower, and a tray too, will do it faster and better
          1. 0
            1 June 2024 21: 36
            What if they are not nearby? If this ersatz were not needed at all, hardly anyone would bother. Something like: “It’s better to go poorly than to go well.”
            1. 0
              3 June 2024 18: 53
              “What if they’re not around?”
              So, there’s no simple mortar nearby, but this crap is there? or quickly, on the knee, blinded, when necessary, tearing apart the beha and cornflower?
              1. 0
                6 June 2024 07: 29
                ... by tearing apart the beha and cornflower?

                It is unlikely that existing equipment would be torn down, especially since it is more effective and more necessary.
  3. -7
    29 May 2024 21: 19
    Wow! We made it! crying
    The editors don't mind publishing something like this at all?
    1. 0
      29 May 2024 21: 25
      What's the matter? What's wrong? In war it’s like in war. All is well that it shoots and destroys the enemy.
      1. +3
        29 May 2024 21: 32
        Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
        What's the matter?

        Firing range direct fire is about 750 meters, which provides acceptable accuracy when shooting at targets at short range.

        Are you really suggesting rolling out THIS? hands 500 meters to the enemy and fire at him?
        Why then 45 mm? 53-K arr. We don’t use 1937? After all
        Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
        In war as in war.

        It will do just fine
        Quote: Murmur 55
        as assault artillery of the front line
        1. +4
          29 May 2024 21: 38
          Andrei hi, in this conflict, both sides use ALL the weapons they have, including Mosin rifles, Maxim and DP machine guns, ours hit naval guns with RBU along the front edge and put anti-aircraft guns in the bodies, launch units from aviation are fired from pickup trucks, everything that is not a pity is used and that can cause at least some damage to the enemy.
          1. +8
            29 May 2024 21: 40
            Quote: Murmur 55
            in this conflict both sides use ALL the weapons available

            There is such a thing. But this definitely shouldn’t be listed in “achievements” request hi
            1. 0
              29 May 2024 21: 44
              Andrey, with the information war, too, not everything is as good as we would like, and there are flaws that need to be hidden. As our minister said, “You can make mistakes, you can’t lie,” if I remember correctly, so we’ll see if we draw conclusions or what.
            2. -1
              30 May 2024 05: 11
              Absolutely right!
              It’s clear that “self-made” means ingenuity and dexterity! BUT these are THOSE who value their lives on the battlefield!
              This means that in the Moscow Region those who SHOULD “don’t catch mice” at all!
              MUST! - this is their duty!, based on the EXPERIENCE of REAL combat operations from the Research Institute of Weapons - to OFFER and TEST new AND or improve existing types of weapons and ammunition.
              Mainly weapons! SOVIET! Yes, modernized with grief in half!
              But if you look REALLY! There are very few of them! Moreover, at the moment the war is not total! but local! I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY! - use
              Have the modifications of Chinese household drones survived!
              Aviation development! ...before, these aircraft “drones” were built in aircraft modeling circles at the “Houses of Pioneers!” and now ?
          2. +1
            29 May 2024 22: 05
            everything that is not a pity and that can cause at least some damage to the enemy is used

            In this formula of yours, does the artillery crew also fall into the category of “everything that is not a pity”? Because with such a weapon it is almost guaranteed to be disposable. As for me, it’s not very good when your own losses exceed the damage potentially caused to the enemy.
            1. 0
              29 May 2024 22: 45
              UAZ 452, combat operations involve risk, especially in systems and weapons that were developed in the field or in a hurry, and let them try this system at the forefront and if the survivability is low, I think they will not use it. Many (though not all) on It began to dawn on the top that the slogan Russia is big and women are still giving birth no longer works.
          3. 0
            29 May 2024 22: 31
            This means that there is a serious shortage of things to shoot or there are serious problems with logistics
            Quote: Murmur 55
            ours are hitting naval guns with RBU along the front edge

            As I understand it, the Marines don’t have normal zushkas and hail, so they get what they have from their native units from warehouses. With us, it's every man for himself
            1. +1
              29 May 2024 22: 36
              alexoff hi, perhaps you are right, or perhaps, as an option, they use everything they have, regardless of age and prestige, there are shells, cartridges, the guns themselves, weapons, too, so why should they lie around gathering dust and take up space in the warehouse, it’s unlikely for us here They'll tell you how it really is.
              1. +2
                29 May 2024 22: 39
                We should have a lot of more interesting things in our warehouses, such as old Soviet anti-ship missiles, S-200 and other powerful things, where we could put the UMPC and smash logistics to pieces. But masters of raising equipment from the dead, they occupy some low-level positions and fashion from what was. And whoever is in charge of warehouses apparently moves little. And from the second, I think, the first stems.
                1. +1
                  30 May 2024 06: 24
                  Quote from alexoff
                  We have a lot of more interesting things in our warehouses, such as old Soviet anti-ship missiles, S-200 and other powerful things

                  Especially if you remember how many Tochka-U missiles are gathering dust in the warehouse, but are not used...
                  1. 0
                    31 May 2024 00: 08
                    The dots are a total mystery. Some claim that they were all destroyed. Apparently, otherwise the insanity with the lack of their use is difficult to justify. I think there should be quite a few R-17s out there, and gutting them with electronics and introducing modern GLONASS navigation is no more difficult than making high-precision weapons from cast iron. If someone had moved even a little, all the bridges would have been demolished along with the factories and railway depots.
        2. +1
          29 May 2024 22: 23
          Why then 45 mm? 53-K arr. We don’t use 1937?

          Only because they are no longer there.
        3. -3
          30 May 2024 07: 46
          Wow, what a smart guy. It will be necessary to roll out both 500 and 300 on Monday.
          You're being clever here, but have you seen this war?
          1. +1
            30 May 2024 09: 46
            Judging by your comment, you did not see the war. 500 meters, yeah
            1. -1
              31 May 2024 09: 40
              I didn't, I didn't see it. I haven't seen it at all))
          2. 0
            31 May 2024 10: 36
            500 meters for a machine gunner, who is much less noticeable, is nothing and the crew of this “gun” will lie next to him for that.
        4. 0
          31 May 2024 01: 47
          Are you really proposing to roll THIS out with your hands 500 meters to the enemy and fire at him?
          Why then 45 mm? 53-K arr. We don’t use 1937?

          Are you prone to maximalism and hyperbolism?
  4. +2
    29 May 2024 21: 29
    It’s clear that we have enough kulibin... we made pushchenka, but why?
    1. +1
      29 May 2024 21: 40
      rocket757 we'll see, maybe they will use it, or maybe they'll forget it, as has already happened with various samples.
      1. +4
        29 May 2024 22: 22
        It's a poor sample and has no advantage over serial products.
        During the war, the partisans collected various things from what they had... this is understandable.
        Now why?
    2. 0
      29 May 2024 21: 47
      Maybe only for this reason:

      Murmur 55 (ALEXANDER) Today, 21:14

      Why should good things go to waste...

      But what about the "Cornflower", which is good in rate of fire and even better in range.
      1. 0
        29 May 2024 21: 57
        alystan, Cornflower is here to stay, this system worked and still works, I assure you, but here there are a lot of shells for infantry fighting vehicles, so they decided to use it this way, it’s not a fact that the system will take root.
        1. 0
          30 May 2024 15: 29
          I had in mind the specific “Vasilek”, the chassis of which was used by the “Kulibins”.

          and there are a lot of shells for infantry fighting vehicles here

          And I realized that they were shooting grenades from it. After all, PG-15V and OG-15V are still grenades.
          1. 0
            31 May 2024 19: 22
            “And I realized that they were shooting grenades from it. After all, PG-15V and OG-15V are still grenades.”
            when they shoot from a boot, it's grenades. when from thunder - shells. need to understand laughing
        2. 0
          31 May 2024 19: 21
          "and there are a lot of shells for infantry fighting vehicles, so we decided to use it this way"
          For me, the MF1 will be more lethal than this projectile. It would be better if they came up with some kind of slingshot, F1 throwing
      2. +3
        30 May 2024 11: 40
        Don't go anywhere. Most likely, a specific Vasilko was hit, only the wheels remained in good condition. So the people “stirred up” the self-made initiative. Apparently there was a damaged BMP-1 somewhere nearby. Why should good things go to waste? They made the worker Frantenstein out of two “cripples.”
        This is how I see this situation.
        1. 0
          31 May 2024 19: 24
          “Apparently there was a damaged BMP-1 somewhere nearby”
          As far as I remember, all faulty armored vehicles are evacuated from the battlefield, either for repairs or for melting down
          1. -1
            31 May 2024 23: 41
            Well, this is generally the case over a long period, but if there was a desire, you can always “communize” a gun from a damaged vehicle, especially if it is on the other side.
    3. +1
      29 May 2024 22: 27
      Perhaps there is a problem with the artillery? Otherwise, it’s not clear why they need an analogue of LNG-9
      1. 0
        29 May 2024 23: 48
        There is such a tense situation there... some/many people need to relax, and creativity, especially creating weapons, is a completely effective option... for real Kulibins, of course.
    4. -1
      30 May 2024 07: 47
      Then let you write comments on the couch
  5. +7
    29 May 2024 21: 32
    And how is this better than LNG-9? Because there is no LNG-9?
  6. +2
    29 May 2024 21: 42
    So the Thunder is the Boot - LNG-9, now only in a more convenient version for towing and with a wedge bolt instead of a recoilless gun with exhaust through the bolt. A funny transformation.
    1. +1
      29 May 2024 21: 54
      Romanenko hi, yeah, how much does the assembled LNG and this weapon weigh, what will be the speed of movement, provided that it is intended to be fired at close range. No, in terms of maneuverability this gun is inferior to the “Boot”.
      1. +3
        29 May 2024 22: 08
        The boot has a very inconvenient “chassis”, the wheels are small, and the center of gravity is high and when rolling across the field, so to speak, it is not very comfortable, so they quickly carry it, and this homemade product looks more stable, although it is certainly heavier and loses to the Boot in terms of concealment of installation . But as for the firing range, rate of fire and the absence of unmasking exhaust and a dangerous zone behind the gun, it can replace the Boot somewhere in positional cases.
        1. +2
          29 May 2024 22: 27
          Does the SPG-9 really jump like that with every shot?! This bandura weighs at least 300 kilos, the craftsmen would be better off making better supports for the LNG-9, at least there is no such return
          1. +1
            30 May 2024 08: 22
            The boot does not jump, it is recoilless - a large grenade launcher, and here is a wedge bolt that blocks the exit of gases, hence the recoil.
            In any case, this is a one-piece product, it will not go into any series, and there is no particular point in it. And as an engineering solution it’s quite interesting.
  7. +1
    29 May 2024 21: 58
    On the contrary, there seems to be some progress. Instead of an upgrade - a downgrade.
  8. +1
    29 May 2024 21: 59
    Everything is useful our no harm.
    The fighters created it, so it makes sense.
    1. +4
      29 May 2024 22: 17
      The fighters created it, so it makes sense. in 1988, fellow conscripts inserted “balls” and “sleepers” into their manhood. What if this also made sense?
      1. +2
        29 May 2024 23: 08
        I remember, I remember such experiments...
        I captured that time, although God himself was merciful from such “know-how”. wink
        And with this design... Perhaps this is an isolated case, they riveted it at a repair base, but it went wrong at the test site. They realized that it was nonsense and parted ways, but one of the correspondents presented it as a prodigy from the RF Armed Forces.
      2. 0
        29 May 2024 23: 22
        . in 1988, fellow conscripts inserted “balls” and “sleepers” into their manhood. What if this also made sense?

        By the way, this “fun” was very popular among representatives of the outskirts.
      3. 0
        31 May 2024 10: 38
        There was no need for you to do that.
        1. 0
          31 May 2024 18: 17
          There was no need for you to do that. Well, they did this in 4 districts - the Ural, Volga, Turkestan and Central Asian, as well as in the GSVG and OKSVA ..
          So at least half of the army suffered from this garbage in 1988-1990...
          1. 0
            1 June 2024 13: 57
            I have never heard of anyone in our border troops doing such crap.
            1. 0
              2 June 2024 10: 23
              The number of border troops is significantly less than the SA.
              And they were called up to the PV after a more thorough selection.
              And yes, I didn’t serve in the PV, so I don’t know anything - whether it was there or not. You could be stuck with other crap - unknown in SA
              1. 0
                2 June 2024 16: 28
                We just had no time, we were on duty. Everyone was busy, especially those guys who served at the outposts.
                1. 0
                  2 June 2024 19: 13
                  We just had no time, we were on duty. I know where your guys were taking her. I saw your demobilization in aiguillettes and other things - which was what a demobilization was supposed to do back then.
                  Just don’t say that the foreman gave them away in full parade lol lol
                  1. 0
                    3 June 2024 04: 24
                    I left military service in December 1983. And none of those guys who left before me and with me attached any aiguillettes to themselves. Otherwise, the patrol in the city of Artem, Primorsky Territory, could have been sent to a unit location instead of home. And this has happened. And this is only for inserts in shoulder straps.
                    1. 0
                      3 June 2024 06: 52
                      Otherwise, the patrol in the city of Artem, Primorsky Territory, could have been sent to the unit’s location instead of the house Stupid question - what next? What, in the opinion of the patrol, should the military unit commander have done with the retired person? Which should not be located on the territory of the unit?
                      Which hemorrhoids are for everyone, but which should have been dealt with specifically by the patrol - there were few fools to keep a civilian on his lip?
                      And as for the axels, the first one that comes along.
                      Ottoman - Paris, "wild" lol - but a border guard feel
                      Axel, letters, inserts, finger hemming, demobilization hairstyle, etc...
                      Apparently 1986-1988 (possibly 1989 - I don’t know when they were released)
                      1. 0
                        4 June 2024 05: 36
                        Looks pretty decent. DS MMG from Afghanistan. And they were brought out in April 1989. Already the entire 40th Army had left.
                      2. 0
                        4 June 2024 05: 55
                        Looks pretty good
                        And who wrote that no one ever
                        И none Of those guys who quit before me and with me, they didn’t attach any aiguillettes to themselves.
                        We just had no time, we were serving ??
                        They suffered and continued to suffer with crap in the PV...
                        I took the first photo I came across, but in Takhta Bazaar I came across such handsome men - the motorized sewing high-frequency airborne forces cried with envy
                      3. 0
                        4 June 2024 06: 13
                        But we definitely didn’t wear aiguillettes. Later, the fashion took off, by the way, and the guy from the MMG Children’s School, they started it, because they were transferred from the Airborne Forces to the PV.
                      4. 0
                        4 June 2024 07: 30
                        But we definitely didn’t wear aiguillettes. are you suggesting that I dig through a mountain of demobilization photos with precise dating - to prove to you that they were?
                        I saw the cousin of a border guard who came for demobilization from Murmansk in 1978 - he had it.
                        The letters are brass - our 152 mm border guards constantly bought cartridges from us.
                        Therefore, your statement that “there was no time to suffer through bullshit, because they were serving” is unfounded. I have provided evidence to the contrary. There are plenty of photos of border guards of varying degrees of decoration, demobilization albums in greatcoat cloth and varying degrees of decoration.
  9. -4
    29 May 2024 22: 01
    Soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces demonstrate skill and ingenuity by converting the remains of the BMP-1 into towed artillery

    - said in the Western press.
    As an option, removing the Rheinmethal cannon from the Abrams, as well as the Leopard, and using it as towed artillery, there should be no problems with captured ammunition. Why should something go to waste, and besides, it’s more powerful than “Grom-1” laughing By the way, the reaction of American experts will be interesting belay laughing By the way, are the T-62s finished?! The fighters have nothing to do?! what
  10. -3
    29 May 2024 22: 25
    The aiming gets lost, the barrel goes down, and why not, a good alternative to the 45.
    1. +2
      30 May 2024 09: 43
      Back in that war, the Magpie was called - Farewell, Motherland
  11. -1
    29 May 2024 22: 28
    You look and it will come to cannons with cannonballs.
  12. +3
    29 May 2024 22: 39
    The 73 mm cannon on the BMP 1 has a firing range of 4.5 kilometers with a fragmentation round, and 1300 with a cumulative round. The gun shot is interchangeable with the shot from LNG 9, you just need to remove the cartridge case
    1. 0
      31 May 2024 19: 31
      "The 73 mm cannon on the BMP 1 has a firing range of 4.5 kilometers with a fragmentation round, and 1300 with a cumulative round"
      exactly? and here’s what they write in the technical specifications: “Sighting range, m 765..1300. Maximum
      range, m 4400"
      those at 4400 are just flying in that direction
  13. +2
    29 May 2024 22: 41
    This device is up to the first drone, as well as the composition. Are RPGs and Gnome 6G30 really missing?
    1. +3
      29 May 2024 22: 52
      Oleg Apushkin hi, this conflict showed that ALMOST all the equipment used in it before the first drone, there are of course exceptions, but here we need to understand each specific case.
    2. 0
      31 May 2024 10: 39
      It’s possible that a drone won’t be needed here, but a couple of targeted bursts from a machine gun.
  14. +1
    29 May 2024 22: 48
    I believe there is still plenty of 73 mm ammunition in warehouses, and if you make something useful out of decommissioned infantry fighting vehicles and mortars, then why not, but use it based on the situation and conditions on the ground and not make thoughtful conclusions about uselessness, then a tank, etc. super equipment nowadays is gone in no time at all, without regard to the modernity and advancedness of these weapons.
  15. +1
    29 May 2024 22: 49
    Old topic. Even the Chechens used to do this on collective farms in past wars. Apparently, re-equipping a gun is not very expensive; if only there was a chassis on which all this could be sculpted.
  16. +1
    29 May 2024 22: 59
    Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
    What's the matter? What's wrong? In war it’s like in war. All is well that it shoots and destroys the enemy.

    But when the Armed Forces of Ukraine invent something like this, there is immediately a laugh and comments “well, stupid.” Don't we see double standards?
  17. -1
    30 May 2024 00: 02
    this means that there is nothing new, they use what is at hand!
  18. IVZ
    +1
    30 May 2024 03: 47
    Every, exactly every, without exception, war game the question of reviving regimental artillery in 76,2 calibers is raised; 100; 152,4mm. with a maximum firing range of up to 5000m and a weight of 240...1000kg depending on the caliber. And every time it is safely forgotten at the end of the database. As for the vulnerability of towed artillery on the battlefield, this is a matter of combat tactics. We must understand that the troops know better than armchair experts. Collective farming has already begun - riveting homemade guns. Maybe stop being smart and give the troops what they ask for?
  19. Eug
    +1
    30 May 2024 06: 18
    How much does it weigh and how many people does it take to roll it?
  20. +1
    30 May 2024 09: 40
    This is a fart. Not serious. It will be dismantled five minutes after the first shot
  21. +1
    30 May 2024 10: 27
    If there is an easel grenade launcher SPG-9 "Spear", the question is, what is this invention for? There are a lot of LNG sheks in warehouses!
  22. +2
    30 May 2024 11: 48
    As a rationalization proposal, “it will work with beer.” Definitely not as a standard weapon. I don’t see any point in inventing LNG-9. The LNG has a tripod and wheels. There is probably a supply problem in this unit from the RAV (missile and artillery weapons) service. Therefore, the soldiers decided not to “wait for favors from nature,” but showed soldierly ingenuity. Probably the unit is staffed with BMP-1 and LNG, but they do have damaged BMPs that cannot be repaired. I don't see any other explanation. There are also shots then. For LNG, a different starting charge is used. They are not suitable for the 2A28 "Grom" gun.
  23. 0
    30 May 2024 15: 20
    skill? I do not argue. but the reason is rather hopelessness... that you have to cut and invent there...
  24. +2
    30 May 2024 15: 48
    What does this mean? - about the lack of firepower among the infantry. There are not enough recoilless rifles, ATGMs, and grenade launchers. And now it comes to such a collective farm.
  25. 0
    30 May 2024 20: 55
    The SPG 9M with the OG 9 shot fires at 4300 m. OG 9 and OG 15 have common ballistics and in theory, if the carriage and sighting devices allow, the range of this “karamultuk” should correspond to the “boot”. On the plus side, there are fewer unmasking factors when shooting; on the downside, there is more weight relative to the “boot” and larger dimensions. It would be interesting to look at the results of crossing a wheeled carriage and a 2A70 cannon.
  26. 0
    30 May 2024 23: 14
    This creation should be named in honor of Shoigu))), although to be honest, it’s not particularly funny to me, it’s kind of creepy that we don’t have enough normal modern factory weapons, that these ersatz self-propelled guns, dangerous for crews, are used and manufactured, and LNG-9 much better than this, more mobile and more invisible, and this ersatz “farewell to the motherland” in a modern conflict, in my opinion, is not relevant.
  27. -1
    31 May 2024 09: 06
    Quote: Sea Cat
    I'm not happy either. This only means that the state does not provide its army with the necessary weapons and in sufficient quantities. If there was everything that was needed, the fighters would not have to invent this homemade “wunderwaffle.”

    Well, about “does not provide”, you went a little too far. The country is huge, and while carrying out the SVO, it is not wise to expose ourselves in other directions. And if you increase production very much, you will be the first to start crying that there is not enough funding for social services, not enough roads are being built, and much more. The budget is not rubber. Of course, there are a lot of things that need to be changed in the supply, but it’s not a disaster