Swedish Defense Minister: “We were urged to wait with the Gripen fighter for Ukraine”

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Swedish Defense Minister: “We were urged to wait with the Gripen fighter for Ukraine”

Ukrainian “partners”, having decided to arm the Armed Forces of Ukraine with Western fighters, relied on the F-16 due to its large number in air fleets European countries. At the moment we are talking about the transfer of 65 aircraft. At the same time, the Swedish Gripen was left out.

For the Ukrainian Air Force, the Gripen C/D is an almost ideal fighter-bomber: its dependence on air bases is reduced, it can be easily operated from the highway, while its maintenance is as simple as possible. In addition, it has a very powerful electronic warfare system and can carry a very long-range Meteor air-launched missile system

- Opex360 believes.



As noted, the priority given to the F-16 led Stockholm to suspend its plans to transfer the Gripen to Ukraine. However, this decision was not taken directly by the Swedish government, but was strongly recommended by Kyiv's other Western partners.

Other countries in the [F-16 for Ukraine] coalition have urged us to wait with the Gripen. Our partners emphasize that the simultaneous introduction of two air combat systems will be a very difficult process, and now it is necessary to focus on the arrival of the F-16

- said Defense Minister Paul Junson.

As indicated in the publication, Sweden’s decision to “wait” will put an end to recent rumors about the transfer of the Mirage 2000D to Ukraine:

A rumor that, by the way, was supported by the Ukrainian General Staff, which repeatedly mentioned this possibility at the beginning of the year.


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  1. +6
    28 May 2024 20: 52
    Stop making up all the wunderwaffles. In principle, a light fighter cannot be good, just as it cannot carry powerful electronic warfare, its size will not allow it.
    1. +3
      28 May 2024 21: 10
      "Get in line, sons of bitches, get in line."
      1. +4
        28 May 2024 22: 11
        Quote: knn54
        "Get in line, sons of bitches, get in line."

        All capitalists want to push their shit into Ukraine in order to get money.
      2. +5
        28 May 2024 22: 13
        F-16, these are the last scares and hope of the Anglo-Saxons (the first was the javelin).
        By the way, they go to the bank by substituting a plane that is being promoted on the market. If we start bringing them down, the blow to our reputation will be colossal.
        1. +5
          28 May 2024 22: 59
          Come on. The F16 is now the "poor man's plane". That’s why he’s being promoted to Square. There is a lot of it and it is in many places. It's time to wash it away from the operators and get new budgets for new equipment.
          1. +4
            29 May 2024 02: 12
            The F16 is now the "poor man's plane". That’s why he’s being promoted to Square. There is a lot of it and it is in many places.

            Only few people are going to part with them easily. Everyone is dragging their feet...

            Then the plane for the rich is apparently the F-35. ))) Today a message appeared that another fifth-generation fighter F-35 crashed in the US state of New Mexico.

            The photo shows all that is left of him.
          2. +1
            29 May 2024 09: 37
            Come on. The F16 is now the "poor man's plane".

            Like: drop it, otherwise you’ll drop it!?
            It is poverty, as a mass phenomenon, that is the main market for demand, sales, PR, agitation... presence and influence.
            That's two and two.
            1. 0
              29 May 2024 10: 31
              Thanks for the lesson in political economy. I didn’t realize it right away.
              Only you entered the wrong office. Here we are not talking about why they are bought, but why they are sold.
              PS And you don't need to drop it. The meaning of this adverb can be clarified in any explanatory dictionary. hi
    2. +5
      29 May 2024 02: 35
      A light fighter, in principle, cannot be good,

      The Gripen is an excellent aircraft and a direct competitor to the F-16. And the Americans are clamping down on it as best they can from the very beginning. Most contracts for Gripen end with “agreement to buy - then refusal.” The Swedes created it according to the principle of minimum maintenance. One engineer with a laptop and four loaders on an asphalt road. There are no regulations - everything is “as per condition”. One engine is therefore relatively cheap. And with modern air defense, the number of aircraft is more important than dubious advantages in flight characteristics.
      1. +1
        29 May 2024 09: 49
        Gripen is a great plane
        Any combat aircraft created in cooperation with a number of countries cannot be excellent, even despite its strike potential and flight characteristics. When purchasing such equipment, you need to be aware that you will have to maintain good relations with all countries involved in production so as not to be left without key components. Let's take the same JAS 39 E/F Swedish airframe, Italian radar/OLS, French navigation equipment/avionics, US engine, and even a German gun, what will happen if you have a conflict with one of the listed countries or economic or political interests intersect, You will simply be denied access to service, supplies of weapons and components. Today, only three countries can provide the full production cycle of combat jet aircraft: the USA, the Russian Federation, the People's Republic of China, and in my opinion, aircraft from only these countries can be considered for the purchase of their air forces.
  2. +4
    28 May 2024 20: 55
    Xati Gripens were originally developed to be able to land on highways for the conditions there.
    1. +1
      28 May 2024 20: 58
      In our conditions, they won’t even be able to get on the Moscow Ring Road. laughing But ours can.... because... The racks are worked out quite well in this regard.
      1. +1
        28 May 2024 21: 08
        No, well, they were definitely not designed for this. laughing
      2. +1
        28 May 2024 21: 46
        And even more so in Ukrainian...
    2. 0
      28 May 2024 22: 12
      Quote: Simple
      Xati Gripens were originally developed to be able to land on highways for the conditions there.

      This is only an idea, not reality.
      1. +2
        28 May 2024 23: 19
        Realities ...
        1. 0
          28 May 2024 23: 36
          Quote from solar
          Realities ...

          Landing a plane on a highway is not such a problem. The question is how many such landings this road can withstand. On an ordinary, unimproved road, the surface breaks down into rubbish after a couple of landings.
          And that’s how they all plant. Belarusians, for example, once landed several planes at once.
          1. +2
            29 May 2024 06: 41
            Quote from: nik-mazur
            Landing a plane on a highway is not such a problem.


            It depends on what's overboard. It depends on what kind of road it is. From elementary to impossible.

            Quote from: nik-mazur
            The question is how many such landings this road can withstand. On an ordinary, unimproved road, the surface breaks down into rubbish after a couple of landings.


            It depends on what's overboard. It depends on what kind of road it is. From not one or the last one, to infinity.
            Our federal women are almost equal to PAG14. But the profile does not always match.
            Highways are easy PAG19 and higher. The profile is normal, there are enough straight lines, but...

            Quote from: nik-mazur
            And that’s how they all plant. Belarusians, for example, once landed several planes at once.


            Not everything, not everything, not everywhere. Special sections of highways were specially designed and built for the same “Grippen”. Yes, in Europe there are special stages for the F-16.
            And it’s the same on the Minsk highway. Greetings from the film "The Adventures of Italians in Russia".
            "Rook" can work from the ground. "Grippen" is much lighter, but cannot work from the ground.
            1. 0
              29 May 2024 11: 45
              Quote: hammerite
              It depends on what's overboard. It depends what kind of road it is

              Naturally. In an emergency, even a Boeing can land on the highway. And as a standard GDP, even the reinforced road on special sections cannot withstand even the same Gripen.

              Quote: hammerite
              And it’s the same on the Minsk highway. Greetings from the film "The Adventures of Italians in Russia"

              They say that in fact, the landing of the plane in “The Adventures of the Italians” was filmed on the emergency runway of the Ulyanovsk airfield.
              1. 0
                29 May 2024 16: 03
                Quote from: nik-mazur
                In an emergency, even a Boeing can land on the highway.


                On ten lane...

                Quote from: nik-mazur
                And as a standard GDP, even the reinforced road on special sections cannot withstand even the same Gripen.


                Yes, no problem at all - the usual PDN-14. Because it's light.

                Quote from: nik-mazur
                They say that in fact, the landing of the plane in “The Adventures of the Italians” was filmed on the emergency runway of the Ulyanovsk airfield.


                Every joke has a grain of humor in it.
        2. 0
          29 May 2024 06: 42
          Quote from solar
          Realities ...


          Integrating an airfield into a highway is such a pleasure...
          1. 0
            29 May 2024 07: 43
            What's the problem? Make an extended section with reinforced coverage - drivers won’t even notice it. This is not a full-fledged runway, on which planes of different weights constantly land; on the route, the pavement of such strength as on a stationary runway is not needed.
            1. 0
              29 May 2024 15: 02
              What sides should we build under?
              For “drying” with a maximum take-off of 35-45 tons? It’s not like it’s a “flu” with a maximum take-off of 14 tons.
              1. 0
                29 May 2024 17: 08
                I meant by lungs - Grippen and F-16.
                Drying, of course, is much more difficult; you just can’t get by with a reinforced road.
                1. 0
                  29 May 2024 17: 14
                  Quote from solar
                  I meant by lungs - Grippen


                  Well, the Swedes built special sections of roads. Because there are few military airfields and they can be taken out of service. Dispersal.

                  We only have the Su-25 of this class. It can also be operated from the ground. But “flu” is not.
                  1. +1
                    29 May 2024 17: 18
                    There, initially it was said that Grippen could get on the track only theoretically.
                    Quote: Simple
                    Xati Gripens were originally developed to be able to land on highways for the conditions there.

                    This is only an idea, not reality.
                    1. 0
                      30 May 2024 01: 12
                      Quote from solar
                      Initially, it was said that Grippen could get on the track only theoretically.


                      Soap, washcloth, start over...
                      So he lands on a special section of the highway.
                      And not like the Su-35 in the Syabrs, where the road was not designed for the aircraft.
                    2. 0
                      30 May 2024 09: 27
                      Quote from solar
                      There, initially it was said that Grippen could get on the track only theoretically.
                      Quote: Simple
                      Xati Gripens were originally developed to be able to land on highways for the conditions there.

                      This is only an idea, not reality.


                      The canard design for Grippen was chosen, among other things, for the possibility of landing on a prepared highway and under weather conditions typical of Sweden. That is, if (conditionally) when landing Gripen on an unprepared section of the empty Moscow Ring Road, the risks will exceed expediency.
                      1. 0
                        30 May 2024 09: 31
                        Why put Grippen there?
                      2. 0
                        30 May 2024 09: 36
                        Where to go"?
                        On Swedish motorways?
                        During special periods, it is customary for available forces to disperse.
                        The soil in Sweden is not the same as in central Russia - you won’t have much fun with field airfields.
                      3. 0
                        30 May 2024 09: 42
                        Why plant on the Moscow Ring Road?
                        when landing Gripen on an unprepared section of the empty Moscow Ring Road, the risks will exceed expediency

                        During special periods, it is customary for available forces to disperse.

                        Back in Soviet times, I had to visit such a reserve field airfield. Sheets of perforated iron are laid on top, grass grows through its perforations - on top (and not even on top) it looks like a green field.
                      4. 0
                        30 May 2024 09: 55
                        Quote from solar
                        Why plant on the Moscow Ring Road?


                        According to the Moscow Ring Road, initially in the discussion (I think the forum member meant the state is long in Russian conditions in general) forum member Andrey - You re-read the message thread again.

                        Quote from solar
                        Back in Soviet times, I had to visit such a reserve field airfield.


                        Have you ever visited or had to calculate the possibility of locating a field airfield for certain types of aircraft?

                        Conditions in Sweden can be roughly compared with the Leningrad region

                        I also had to visit a military field airfield during my service. But just to visit.
      2. 0
        28 May 2024 23: 25
  3. +4
    28 May 2024 21: 11
    Are capitalists afraid that compared to F16, Grippen will be better? So it is clear that weapons are not being transferred to Ukraine for its victory.
  4. +1
    28 May 2024 21: 11
    What Gripens? Why, without five minutes, does a dead man need boots with spurs, and white slippers for his eyes...
  5. +3
    28 May 2024 21: 14
    My opinion is - conduct an opinion poll in Russia, about how Russia should respond to a country that is supplying fighter jets and long range missiles to Ukraine. Definitly people will say - 'bomb that nation'.

    Russia must never show mercy to a nation, that is supplying long range missiles and fighter jets to Ukraine.
  6. +1
    28 May 2024 21: 19
    People lined up to “participate”...
    It will never dawn on them that this will be “not good food for the horse”...
    However, they really don’t have much to worry about... they will lose a lot of money, and even then, it’s not them personally, it’s the gay European citizen, the taxpayer, who pays for everything.
    And that taxpayer was duped for a long time and successfully, and was also frightened to the extreme....
    No one will get away with this in vain, but they won’t fall apart, although... we’ll see!
    1. +3
      28 May 2024 22: 13
      Quote: rocket757
      People lined up to “participate”...

      But you want to eat delicious food, and also make money.
      Democracy.
      1. 0
        29 May 2024 06: 24
        Well, yes, they know how to make money from all sorts of vile, bloody matters, they are experienced bastards.
  7. AVP
    +3
    28 May 2024 21: 20
    This is just an advertisement for flu pens - at least someone can buy our elephants.
    A separate anecdote - our aircraft can be operated from the highway. So, any aircraft can be operated from a highway if it follows ground pressure. But no one says how many people will service it and what it will cost. At the airport, all the infrastructure is in place - take it and fly. In case of dispersal, you can, of course, land, and perhaps even take off. Only the plane needs to refuel with something (fuel, technical liquids/gases), and hang weapons. Pilots need to be fed, examined by a doctor, changed, sometimes the plane breaks down and needs spare parts. All this needs to be transported. Initially there is an airfield, 5-6 units (or how many there are in Sweden). Some technicians need 1 per plane, some 2 per plane. Some tasks require roughly 1 unit per squadron. And now the same thing will be multiplied into 30 landing sites throughout the country. Advertising - yes, it’s possible. It just has nothing to do with full-fledged flight work.
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  9. +4
    28 May 2024 22: 00
    There are plenty of spare parts for the F-16.
    Hundreds of aircraft are being removed from service - spare parts “take it, I don’t want it.”
    Plus, the plant in the States continues to produce new F-16s.
    There are new replacement engines in stock.
    And the Swedes have a single assembly. At any rate, there will be a “hole” in service.
    1. -1
      28 May 2024 22: 38
      Quote: voyaka uh
      There are plenty of spare parts for the F-16.

      Counterfeit gaskets between the steering wheel and the seat will not do any good
  10. +2
    28 May 2024 22: 24
    Everything is learned in battle. Our pilots and air defense officers cannot relax. “God protects those who are careful,” but... “Trust in God, but don’t make a mistake yourself.” Good luck to our boys and girls!
  11. -1
    28 May 2024 23: 07
    They’re just afraid that someone will steal the bird and there will be embarrassment.. It’s one thing Fuck, there are a lot of them around the world and they’re old..
  12. +1
    28 May 2024 23: 24
    However... 65 pieces, whatever they are, and whatever the training of the pilots, is still impressive(
    One thing is more or less reassuring - deliveries are planned not in one batch, but over several years
    I hope we can make it through
    1. -1
      29 May 2024 07: 03
      Quote from sdivt
      65 pieces, whatever they are


      Seriously? For them, the weapons are specialized - lightweight. And the quantity of these weapons is extremely small.
  13. 0
    29 May 2024 01: 13
    Quote from solar

    Well done, just like that, without further ado, he threw the proof on blah, blah, blah from above.
    1. -2
      29 May 2024 07: 00
      Quote from Nesvoy

      Well done, just like that, without further ado, he threw the proof on blah, blah, blah from above.


      And what do you see? Could proof of Rust's landing be placed on Red Square?
  14. +1
    29 May 2024 06: 01
    Well...that's...if you bomb African tribes...EU colonialists.
  15. Eug
    0
    29 May 2024 15: 14
    If the Ukrainian ASPs have Gripens, then certainly without METEORs, no one will risk the possibility of the latest ASPs getting to a potential “partner”.