West without the USSR: moral and social collapse

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The question that in 1991 the so-called Western world lost its main competitor in the form of the USSR has already been raised on Voennoye Obozreniye. At the same time, we most often discussed the problem of violating power parity in the world, which gave rise to the same United States of America to feel like the only state capable of influencing the fate of other states in the world. However, at the same time, we did not at all touch upon the problem of the direction in which the moral foundations of the world shifted, how social programs changed in those countries that consider themselves winners in the Cold War against the USSR. But, by and large, these answers to these questions can shed light on all the trends that take place in the modern world.

So, early 90s. The planetary map remains without such a designation as the USSR. Joy and enthusiasm reign in the world capitals of victorious democracy. Joy spreads to the East, where newly-minted sovereign states “liberated” from the “yoke of Soviet shackles” swear allegiance to the new order.

However, behind all this noise, the beginnings of a very strange process were not caught. This process is expressed in the fact that with every day of its existence the unipolar world began to move away from global social competition. The fact is that the same West has been accustomed for decades to realize that in the vast expanses from the Baltic to the Chukotka Peninsula, the territory of the state extends, which is ready to “catch up and overtake” at any moment. At certain stages of development, it happened that not only caught up and overtook, but also went far ahead. Then, due to the conduct of the great Cold War, this race was not advertised, but it was perceived with all its guts both in the Soviet Union itself and in the West. Competition manifested itself literally in all areas.

The Union branded the decaying West, demonstrating its excellent education system, the development of culture, the ability to follow the path of developing interethnic relations, and improving the moral character of society.

The West tried to answer in its own way: by showing a picture of long lines that supposedly turn Soviet citizens into starving slaves obsessed with how to survive in a totalitarian system. Like, all these achievements in the form of Soviet ballet, theater, education, space exploration and other areas are just attempts by Soviet propaganda to close people's eyes to the fact that they are deprived of the benefits that a capitalist system based on indispensable democracy can offer a person. Deprived of the benefits of consumption, satisfaction of their needs at any time, in any place.

Those Westerners who managed to visit the Soviet Union often brought with them from the “cage of communism” a completely different vision of the life of a Soviet person. In their homeland (Germany, USA, Italy, France, Great Britain) they destroyed the stereotypes that the USSR is a gloomy country where people look at each other with hungry eyes, and where literally after every teacher, doctor and engineer in a representative of the KGB walks on the heels.

It is obvious that the creation of a positive image of the Land of Soviets by world-famous stars who went on tour in the USSR was clearly not part of the plans of the Western leadership. Moreover, the same Western stars often, bypassing the officially established rules, distributed the products of Soviet animation, the film industry, recordings of the performance of Soviet actors from capital and provincial theaters. In a creative (and not only creative) environment, such shows often brought people into real shock. Moreover, the shock arose due to the fact that people in the West did not understand how people in the "prison of peoples" can create such masterpieces and create in such a way that even the sophisticated public is breathtaking from their creativity. It turned out that it was necessary to revise the very dogma about the “prison of peoples”, which was not included in the plans of those who tried to cultivate differentiation with all their forces and means.

We present a small selection of statements by ordinary representatives of the Western world about Soviet art, whose manifestations in 70-80-e fell to the West.

Jorge Reyes (Canada) about the film "The meeting place cannot be changed" (dir. S. Govorukhin):

“The film is a real gem. I was amazed by the development of the plot, which at first seemed to me a little boring, but then I grabbed it so that I did not let go until the very end. Now I am sure that the Soviet film industry produces films of the highest quality that make you think. Hollywood needs to pay attention to this."


Pieter van Laaren (Netherlands) about the animated film "Winnie the Pooh" (dir. F. Khitruk).

"When I first saw the Soviet Winnie the Pooh in the early eighties, I wondered why the Soviets got rid of so many book characters. Where is Christopher Robin? I decided to restart the cartoon on my VCR again, and then again ... Then I I began to realize that I had never experienced anything like this while watching European and American animated films. That childish naivety that I had not experienced since the moment I graduated from elementary school literally spread over me. I realized that I saw real art in front of me, from which you want to live and even do creative work yourself.


Art, which made one think ... Art, which skillfully touched the soul ... And it was taught to create this art in such a way that it was rare to doubt the professionalism of its author.

Of course, one should not say that without exception, the works of Soviet directors and screenwriters, musicians and artists, writers and actors are worthy of a golden collection. From outright hack-work, there was no full-fledged insurance here either. But the point is not so much in this, but in the fact that the West felt that it had a big and powerful competitor who lives by its own value system, and if this value system crosses the border, then the foundations of the existing system of consumer society will collapse. For obvious reasons, this was not within the sphere of interests of businessmen, for whom art and education at all times were only tools for earning money and servants of far from always moral interests.

The very existence of the USSR, as it were, spurred the West to the fact that it was necessary to literally dig the earth in order to be able to compete in the social and humanitarian environment with this state, with this conglomerate of cultures that did not cross out, but very harmoniously complemented each other.

It must be said that on this side of the border, the authorities also tried not to make contact with the West in the humanitarian sphere, rightly fearing that the built-up system of values, if only it came into contact with the value system declared by the West, could catch the bacillus.

However, contact did occur. Good or bad, everyone judges for himself. But in reality, something happened that, in principle, few people expected. The USSR collapsed, and with it the basis for productive competition collapsed. The West felt complete freedom of action. The situation began to resemble the one when only one athlete enters the stayer distance, who understands that no matter how he runs, he will still come to the finish line first. Complete freedom of action: no one overtakes, no one breathes in the back, no one tries to push in the side. But does it improve results? The answer is obvious: the results are deplorable.

If you pay attention to this stayer race of the West without the USSR, you can see that the lack of competition leads to obviously sad consequences for Western civilization. The West began to lose both shape and face. More precisely, the mask just began to fall off him ...

Judge for yourself. Today, Europe is seriously discussing not how to solve the problem of leveling economic problems and moral unruliness, but whether to allow homosexual couples to start a family and take children from shelters into it. France, Great Britain, the Scandinavian countries have played so much with tolerance that the question is already being seriously considered here: can a Christian appear in Muslim quarters, and why do you need to put a Christmas tree on the main square of the city. In some municipalities in Belgium, the question is being discussed: is it worth it to allow manufacturers of children's toys and children's literature to depict certain characters, given their gender: is it worth requiring the presence of “doll” primary sexual characteristics or is it not worth it ... The issue of removing from school biology textbooks contain materials that differentiate male and female organisms, thereby allegedly violating human rights and, in particular, representatives of the same sexual minorities. What kind of rights can we talk about at all, and what does it have to do with some kind of rights when it comes to objective science! ..
Obscurantism? That's it. Moreover, born from the complete absence of worthy moral competition.

Today, the West itself understands that it has fallen into a trap. Cosmopolitanism, multiculturalism and tolerance where it is necessary and where it is not necessary lead people to start looking for ways out of the current situation. To do this in modern conditions is so difficult that many give up. However, there are those enthusiasts who are ready to discard the husk and pay attention to the achievements, including those of the state, which 25 years ago was perceived by the West solely as an enemy.

That is why today in a number of states of the same West, social movements are emerging that speak out for the rejection of the pernicious Bologna system of education, in which the monetary issue of education is put at the forefront, and the system of moral values ​​is thrown into the background. Over the past two years alone, dozens of student demonstrations have taken place in various European countries, aimed at revising not only the economic basis of education, but also at changing its very principles. Today, these principles lead to the replication of biorobots, which, upon receiving a diploma, are deprived of the ability to think. Their main task is to fulfill the plans of top managers. Is this what Western freedom is?

Italy is protesting against the total commercialization of education. In Germany, more than a hundred thousand students and teachers are dissatisfied with the fact that education is being removed from the category of state priority and transferred to private owners. In Finland, protests against the reduction of teaching time.

The West is already trying to disown this kind of negativity, and Russia is only going to enter this swamp. A swamp, which, obviously, is increasingly pulling into its depths the moral character of a civilized person. In Southeast Asia, they openly enjoy the cultural achievements and educational standards that we were once proud of in our country. We decided to turn our backs to the forest, back to the mind and absorb everything that the West has been burning for a long time: immorality, a complete lack of personal guidelines, a mania of overconsumption, myths about unlimited freedom.

If we do not reconsider our attitude to what our “partners” are going to move away from today, then in the near future we risk repeating their path - the path that led to the obvious degradation of European civilization, which once seemed unshakable. Or are we repeating?
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  1. Vanek
    +50
    18 February 2013 09: 19
    West, west. With your permission, I will allow myself, so to speak, with a joke:

    - Under the MOST beautiful, peacock tail, there is an ordinary, chicken, ... pa.

    Hello to everyone. hi
    1. Cartoon
      -23
      18 February 2013 10: 22
      One sided opinion. We should ask ourselves - since everything was so rosy in the USSR, why did it fall apart?
      1. Frigate
        -13
        18 February 2013 10: 23
        Quote: Cartoon
        One sided opinion. We should ask ourselves - since everything was so rosy in the USSR, why did it fall apart?

        They clearly said. you plus from me
        1. +5
          18 February 2013 20: 27
          Because the person is not perfect and the ideological communist himself will have a son who began his career not at the machine tool and entered the past without knowledge.
          1. +10
            18 February 2013 20: 49
            Quote: zvereok
            Because the person is not perfect and the ideological communist himself will have a son who began his career not at the machine tool and entered the past without knowledge.


            I have an ideological communist father, which did not stop me from starting to work at the age of 14 and getting two higher educations, what is wrong with us? request
      2. DimychAs
        +10
        18 February 2013 10: 54
        Quote: Cartoon

        One sided opinion. We should ask ourselves - since everything was so rosy in the USSR, why did it fall apart?

        Rather, they collapsed in order to create something similar to a union, but under the name of the EU.
      3. KamikadZzzE1959
        +10
        18 February 2013 10: 58
        Cartoon,
        Gave the enemy the opportunity to put a magnet in the wrong place next to our compass
      4. +30
        18 February 2013 11: 02
        Where is it written that EVERYTHING was fine?
        Why did it fall apart? For many reasons, of course. But the main thing - socialism was treated with capitalist means. Tell me, can a leg fracture be cured if treated as an asthma patient?
        As for Western well-being, not everything is so rosy here either. Or rather, it's bleak. In the mid-2000s, Mr. Brzezinski said: "The victory in the Cold War cost us $12. We defeated the USSR on credit and now we cannot repay this debt."
        All the financial well-being of the West is a financial pyramid. And it lasted longer than MMM and others only because the economy of the whole world was dragged into it. And now this pyramid is falling apart before our eyes.
        In general, an article that monopoly leads to degradation.
      5. vladsolo56
        +42
        18 February 2013 11: 47
        who told you that it fell apart. countries and empires do not fall apart on their own, they usually fall apart, why? so even a schoolboy knows the struggle for power. A fable for the naive is that the type of the USSR was not viable. If he was such, then the USSR would have lost the war with Hitler. But viable France merged in a couple of weeks, not to mention other viable entities.
        1. Cartoon
          -5
          18 February 2013 12: 05
          I think the USSR was destroyed from the inside with minimal participation from the West. The thirst for power of the minority turned out to be stronger than the desire of the majority to preserve the remnants of the Soviet scarce way of life.
          1. Alexander 1958
            +7
            18 February 2013 18: 53
            Good day!
            Quote: Cartoon
            The lust for power of the minority proved
            ..
            As for me, everything is just the opposite! Those who were in power changed it to property, and now there is no power, and it’s scary for money. the money is kept by someone else's uncle who may not give it away ..
            Alexander 1958
          2. +2
            19 February 2013 09: 05
            Quote: Cartoon
            I think the USSR was destroyed from the inside with minimal participation from the West. The thirst for power of the minority turned out to be stronger than the desire of the majority to preserve the remnants of the Soviet scarce way of life

            Well, both systems tried to ruin each other, the strongest just survived. And I do not understand the comments of the regulars of the site - like VSSSR it was all wonderful type -
            demonstrating its excellent education system, the development of culture, the ability to follow the path of development of interethnic relations, and the improvement of the moral character of society.

            It seems that we lived in different countries and apart from the advantages of the social system, of course - for some reason no one talks about the shortcomings.
            Why capitalism turned out to be stronger, why the only countries with social. system (existing) live in poverty and do not allow their citizens to freely leave the country (they are probably afraid that the people will run away and spread the teachings of socialism throughout the world). What is the point of praising a system that turned out to be not viable, there were virtues, but in evolution the strongest species wins and you don’t have to look and nod at the USA and capitalism like the USA, the USA is not all capitalism, the countries of Europe (Norway, Sweden, Luxembourg, Belgium, etc.) Australia, New Zealand - this is the same capitalism. And living there is not even bad.
            Give me countries with a social system that can compare with them, where people feel free, safe, knowing that their children are protected?
            Enough to amuse yourself with the past, the greatness of the country is not only in its previous achievements, but also in its ability to preserve and increase them. Russia has nothing to boast of in this. Stop crying over spilled milk, you need to work, and not look for enemies around every corner
            1. Alexander 1958
              +3
              19 February 2013 09: 43
              for atalef
              Quote: atalef
              Why are the only countries with social system (existing) live in poverty

              So, yes, they did not live richly compared to the West, but in fairness and in labor! And the fact that they didn’t let them out is wrong, those who wish would leave, it would be cleaner in the house ..
              Quote: atalef
              but in evolution the strongest species wins

              Tell this to the relatives of the Jews who died in the Holocaust .. I think they will clearly explain to you how right you are
              Alexander 1958
              ps Say thanks to Stalin in the late 40s for helping Israel survive, otherwise the Arabs would have shown you Darwin's theory in action ..
              1. 0
                20 February 2013 20: 58
                Alexander 1958like this one
                atalef - it makes no sense to prove something !!!! fool
            2. +4
              19 February 2013 12: 21
              Quote: atalef
              Why capitalism is stronger


              Isn't that the one who lives off the Fed's printing press? Not the one that owes (total US debt - 50 green money) to the whole world? Maybe in the United States, as in the USSR, 000% of settlements were destroyed in the Second World War? The USSR itself rose and lifted half of Europe out of ruin.

              Quote: atalef
              Why are the only countries with social system (existing) live in poverty and do not allow their citizens to freely leave the country

              For your information, 95% of the countries in the world live in poverty. This is not only the so-called. socialist countries.
              For your information, any small country that is not invested in by the US or Europe is poor if it does not sit on oil or gas.
              For your information, an economic war is being waged against EVERY socialist country. The United States itself does not trade with regimes that are objectionable to them, and OTHERS ARE PROHIBITED TO DO THIS. So, huge funds have been invested in South Korea, but North Korea is being strangled wherever they can.

              Although, in vain I probably write, you still do not understand how the world works.
              Quote: atalef
              The United States is not all capitalism, the countries of Europe (Norway, Sweden, Luxembourg, Belgium, etc.) Australia, New Zealand - this is the same capitalism.


              No, Sweden is socialism. For other countries - type in Google - "external debt of the countries of the world." In short, China - $ 260 per capita, Russia - $ 3600, Norway -113 000$, Sweden - 73 000[/b$], Luxembourg - 3 800 000 !!!$, Belgium - 127 000$, Australia - 97 000$, New Zealand - 14 000$. Tellingly, the latter, in terms of living standards, is inferior to Russia. Those. all of them, since the times of the USSR, live in debt. But even today they cannot repay these debts, and the debts are growing like a snowball. Actually, this is the cause of the crisis.
              1. 0
                19 February 2013 12: 49
                Quote: Simpleton
                Not the one that owes (total US debt - 50 green money) to the whole world? Maybe in the United States, as in the USSR, 000% of settlements were destroyed in the Second World War? The USSR itself rose and lifted half of Europe out of ruin.

                remember the Tatar-Mongol yoke, then in general everything can be justified

                Quote: Simpleton
                No, Sweden is socialism.

                ????????
                Is that how you decided?

                Quote: Simpleton
                ], Luxembourg - 3 800 000!!!$

                And in Nigeria, $ 120, does this mean that life in Nigeria is 1000 times better than in Luxembourg?
                1. Alexander 1958
                  +2
                  19 February 2013 12: 59
                  This indicates . that in Luxembourg they live 1000 times better at the expense of Nigeria ..
                  1. 0
                    19 February 2013 13: 59
                    Quote: Alexander 1958
                    This indicates . that in Luxembourg they live 1000 times better at the expense of Nigeria ..

                    It does not fit. Yes, and in general it’s enough to believe in fairy tales. Who prevents Russia from living well? The external debt of America or the absence of it in Nigeria.?
                    And the people of Luxembourg lived well before Nigeria, Russian oil and the growing American debt --- because they worked even now (no matter how ridiculous they work), but what is stopping them in Russia? Probably the construction of a stadium in St. Petersburg or the reconstruction of a large one. Why is it more expensive than the construction of the tallest building in the world (Dubai)
                    1. Alexander 1958
                      +2
                      19 February 2013 15: 01
                      It even fits very well! In the ten most prosperous countries, there are 7 with kings and kings at the head. There that the kings work well? That is why they live well. that they have set up for themselves a scheme of relatively honest taking money from Nigeria, etc. both in Russia and Ukraine.
                      Quote: atalef
                      , and what in Russia prevents

                      Not what but who.. Who is forcing the stabilization fund to dezhat in dollars and euros? Why is the cost of a loan in Russia and Ukraine 15% per annum in dollars and in the West 1-2? This is where you develop. And due to the difference, there is funding for various Luxembourg and others like them
                      Alexander 1958
                      1. 0
                        19 February 2013 21: 32
                        Quote: Alexander 1958
                        Who is forcing the stabilization fund to dezhat in dollars and euros?

                        Only Putin. and so you can keep in tugriks

                        Quote: Alexander 1958
                        Why is the cost of a loan in Russia and Ukraine 15% per annum in dollars and in the West 1-2?

                        Because they care about their citizens in different ways. I'll tell you a terrible secret, we have the same stabilization fund in dollars (almost 75 billion), the local currency is shekels, and housing loans are 2.7%. And how does this fit with your theory?
                        Quote: Alexander 1958
                        And due to the difference, there is funding for various Luxembourg and others like them

                        And Luxembourg is a surname laughing
                      2. Alexander 1958
                        +2
                        19 February 2013 22: 31
                        Well, if you think that Putin voluntarily keeps the Stabilization Fund in dollars and euros, my condolences to you .. Get well soon! lol
                      3. +1
                        19 February 2013 22: 35
                        Quote: Alexander 1958
                        Well, if you think that Putin voluntarily keeps the Stabilization Fund in dollars and euros, my condolences to you

                        Condolences to Putin. Novodvorskaya is probably forcing him laughing

                        Quote: Alexander 1958
                        Get well!

                        Hello, don't get sick wassat
                      4. +1
                        20 February 2013 14: 11
                        Only Putin belay and Kudrin is already somehow out of business, ...... You just submitted an idea, you need to introduce our officials into politics and the US Senate, then, a year later, you will see how much they will cost 1 km of asphalt tongue
                2. 0
                  20 February 2013 21: 01
                  atalef,
                  Quote: Simpleton
                  No, Sweden is socialism.-????????
                  Is that what you decided? - actually - so the Swedes themselves decided !!!!! laughing
            3. +1
              24 February 2013 22: 38
              And we work to the best of our ability, and even beyond, so if these bastards did not climb to us, then to the Caucasus, then to Tatarstan and God knows where else, then we would live much better. Or will you deny the direct interference of the West in our domestic policy, and complicity in inciting wars in the Caucasus, and all kinds of epidemics?
        2. Goga
          +11
          18 February 2013 13: 42
          vladsolo56 - Greetings, Vladimir - Well said (+) good
          - The scary thing is that our "Petersburg" elite, apparently at the genetic level, has absorbed the inescapable desire to be "Europeans". I have already said here, I repeat - it seems that all the time, arching our backs and smiling, we are trying to look Europe in the face and we are instrumental - and we are also Europeans, we are our own, bourgeois. To which Europe always turns its back to us and spits at us without looking, over its shoulder ...
          1. vladsolo56
            +1
            18 February 2013 16: 33
            Greetings ! it's good to have like-minded people
          2. +5
            18 February 2013 20: 30
            Igor - Countryman! + ! Welcome you! This worship of the West will not lead to good. We are who we are! It is high time to understand this.
            With deep respect, Darren!
        3. yak69
          +2
          19 February 2013 19: 54
          I fully support you!
          Remember the Soviet scientific schools, brilliant designers and scientists. Writers, artists, sculptors, directors (only one Tarkovsky is worth it!). And without exception (indeed!) a reading country. By the way, the cartoon "Hedgehog in the Fog" is recognized as a masterpiece of all times and peoples.
          And the Japanese designers studying our magazines - "Science and Life", "Young Designer", etc., few people know that their bloodhounds simply disappeared in our patent bureaus. And the Gosplan system adopted by the capitalists as a model for designing activities.
          You can list the merits of the USSR for a very long time, but the main thing, I am convinced, is that purposeful actions now go towards the revival of everything valuable and healthy that was in the Soviet country.
      6. +10
        18 February 2013 12: 10
        Quote: Cartoon
        why did it collapse?

        Because the elite was in a hurry to fill their pockets, spitting on the people! The people were against it! but who, the people, listened to him?
      7. Komodo
        +1
        18 February 2013 13: 31
        Collapse? This is the Evolution of Russia as a nation. And it doesn’t matter what serves as a catalyst. This is her OWN restless mind, an indestructible thirst for self-digging, followed by burning out the old, unnecessary in herself. And the indispensable emergence of a new, renewed state. The ethnos needs development. This is the need for the inquisitive Russian mind to look, at least with one eye, what is there in the other world? The Soviet people achieved everything that could be thought of within the framework of the Union. It's time to find out how the rest of the world lives. Did you know? Got into trouble? Nothing. It's always like this in Russia. The deeper it gets into a hole, the more zealously it gets out of it. As always.
      8. Che
        Che
        +16
        18 February 2013 13: 45
        Cartoon,
        To be honest, I would gladly exchange a stuffed belly for a "soul". Especially stuffed with Western shit. There were shortcomings, it cannot be denied, but the achievements outweighed them. It was necessary to rebuild, not break. Well, thanks to Tsar Boris.
        1. walter_rus
          +3
          19 February 2013 20: 20
          I think that the Bolsheviks relied too much on the consciousness of the people. And when the self-seekers climbed into power, it got really bad. Now they just make the system for themselves. This is what capitalism is for. Here in the most prosperous European countries have managed to combine socialism with capitalism and very successfully. Only with excessive tolerance they have some kind of madhouse. And we abandoned our achievements, and took the worst from the West.
      9. -25
        18 February 2013 14: 38
        Agree. plus. The Soviet education system was also not great.
        1. +7
          18 February 2013 15: 31
          But chichas suppperrr.
          1. 0
            11 July 2013 14: 24
            Chichas vaapshe barn.
        2. +15
          18 February 2013 15: 50
          Quote: Beard
          The Soviet education system was also not great.


          Oh really?
          The education system in which the children of the embezzler of the embezzler will go to study in the ivy league, and your children will take tests for nerds Do you like more?
          --- pouring a cup of coffee ---
          expand to me as a participant in a bunch of olympiads in the system of Soviet education, what exactly is a school in Detroit better than a school in, say, Blagoveshchensk?
          I have been to Detroit myself.
          1. +2
            19 February 2013 04: 23
            The school is no better than the one in the USSR. But universities, especially the top twenty are better. Both here and there I studied in very good institutions, I can compare (I studied here even before the collapse of the Soviet system of universities).
            1. +1
              20 February 2013 01: 18
              Quote: cdrt
              The school is no better than the one in the USSR.


              In the glorious city of Blagoveshchensk, I studied in the second grade, there was no metal detector at the entrance.
          2. +2
            19 February 2013 09: 21
            Quote: Karlsonn
            expand to me as a participant in a bunch of olympiads in the system of Soviet education, what exactly is a school in Detroit better than a school in, say, Blagoveshchensk?

            Yes, how can you compare different education systems. different approaches. Here in the same city, two neighboring schools can differ dramatically. In general, everything depends on the parents, and unfortunately the system is like this all over the world, if you don’t invest it yourself, you won’t get it, and hoping that the school will worry and educate your children is absurd.
            Want to get more - invest more - private schools, tutors. Why does it surprise anyone that a Mercedes is more expensive than a fiat (and therefore better) because more has been invested in it, both material and intellectual means. Children (maybe I'm exaggerating) but this is the same investment. You will invest more, there will be more return and as a result less problems (as a rule) in the future.
            Therefore, my opinion is not to compare schools (and morons come out of private ones) Parents should be compared
            1. +3
              20 February 2013 01: 24
              Quote: atalef
              to hope that the school will worry and educate your children is absurd.


              a number of Soviet schools participated in my upbringing, the son of an officer often moved, indeed the level was different, tutors, but I didn’t know such a word, material investments - what are you talking about?
              Personally, I am a product of the Soviet school - I am finishing my third higher education, I won Olympiads without the influence of my parents, while from the age of ten I have been closely involved in Soviet sports.
              Tell me about Mercedes...
              1. 0
                11 July 2013 14: 26
                Was one education not enough for you?
          3. 0
            11 July 2013 14: 23
            Where did I say that the school in Detroit or the current school is better?
        3. vladsolo56
          +8
          18 February 2013 16: 36
          You know, there is nothing perfect in the world, but in the Soviet school and in general in education there were many things that were not perfect, but it was moving forward, now the school and education in general are moving backwards.
          1. +6
            18 February 2013 16: 38
            Quote: vladsolo56
            You know, there is nothing perfect in the world, but in the Soviet school and in general in education there were many things that were not perfect


            I agree.


            Quote: vladsolo56
            but it was moving forward, now the school and education in general are moving backwards.


            When a person tells me that the American education system is better than the Soviet one, I usually advise him to go to the USA and see for himself.
          2. +13
            18 February 2013 19: 37
            Soviet curriculum. The subject is mathematical analysis. The topic is multiple integrals.
            1. Double integrals.
            2. Calculation of areas.
            3. Calculation of volumes.
            4. Calculation of surface areas.
            5. Application of double integrals to mechanics.
            6. Triple integrals.
            7. Calculation of volumes using triple integrals.
            8. The application of triple integrals to mechanics.
            9. Improper double and triple integrals.
            10. Multiple integrals.
            11. Control work.
            12. Parsing or working on bugs.
            A total of 12 pairs of 1,5 hours each.
            Western education system (Bologna education system):
            1. Tasks leading to the concept of multiple integrals (the volume of a curved cylinder and the mass of an inhomogeneous body). The concept of a double integral. Darboux sum and their properties. Necessary and sufficient conditions for the integrability of functions of two variables. Classes of integrable functions of two variables. The main properties of double integrals.
            2. Calculation of the double integral for a rectangular region (for an arbitrary region). Curvilinear and polar coordinates. Area in curved coordinates. Replacement of variables in a double integral. Double integral in polar coordinates.
            3. Cylindrical and spherical coordinates in space. Triple integral. Triple integral in cylindrical and spherical coordinates.
            Some geometric and physical applications of double and triple integrals.
            Examination and analysis is carried out for a wider range of tasks.
            Total (even if we carry out the counter. Work and analysis) 5 lessons of 50 minutes.
            I think everything is clear here. And now another example.
            My mother is a teacher of higher mathematics at the Institute of National Economy, Ph.D., she encountered students of American universities in the early 90s. There was such a student exchange program. "The horror is complete, they have a maximum level of the fifth grade. How to work with them" - her words. "If we knew this, then in America they would consider us geeks, and would study at the most prestigious universities for free" - the words of am. students about our school curriculum ( Grade 10 level ) . I had to introduce additional classes for them in order to somehow pull them up in 2 years.
            That is the reality.
            1. +9
              18 February 2013 20: 14
              I copied my answer from last year's Chupacabra debate about education systems. Many more examples could be given on this topic.
              Our, Soviet, sys. education was adopted from the German system arr. in the era of their industrialization of the 19th century. But it was with us in the USSR that it flourished the most. Equality and accessibility of education for all segments of the population had an effect.
              After the October Revolution, the majority of educated people left the borders of the Motherland. We were threatened with a technical lag behind the countries of the West. Help was nowhere to be found. Therefore, the Soviet Government put forward slogans like "Study, study and study again!". The whole country joined the party. And over time, the result came. Until now, our theoretical developments are superior to Western ones in fundamental sciences. But the practical application was not always possible, since there was not enough funding in all areas. But what concerned the country's defense capability was financed immediately. And they spared no money for it. As a result, we got the most powerful military-industrial complex in the world - take at least our galaxy of designers (in aviation alone - Typolev, Yakovlev, Myasishchev, Mikoyan, Sukhoi, Ilyushin, Mil, Kamov, Lavochkin, Antonov, etc. The West never dreamed of, what is called). No wonder Putin places great hopes on the military-industrial complex (he will raise the entire economy of the country).
              1. walter_rus
                +1
                19 February 2013 20: 34
                Quote: Kasym
                It is not for nothing that Putin places great hopes on the military-industrial complex (it will raise the entire economy of the country)

                And the education reform will lower the country below the plinth. The economy can and will rise, but for whom - for the whole people or for a handful of oligarchs and top officials? (The second option is easier to implement and development will most likely follow this path). Hoping for a "good king" is useless. In Russia, kings and kings have never considered the people (also when they became general secretaries, presidents, and just any bigwigs out of the blue). I notice that looking from abroad, our respected interlocutors somehow idealize our life.
              2. +1
                19 February 2013 21: 34
                Quote: Kasym
                I copied my answer from last year's Chupacabra debate about education systems. Many more examples could be given on this topic.

                And the opinion of Chukopabra, maybe you will publish the same, otherwise it’s somehow one-sided laughing
            2. WADUHa
              +2
              18 February 2013 20: 14
              Five points!!!!!!!
            3. +3
              18 February 2013 20: 53
              Quote: Kasym
              My mother, a teacher of higher mathematics at the Institute of National Economy, Ph.D., came across students from American universities in the early 90's.


              interesting, but it was with mathematicians that I encountered most often in conversations on this topic, everything is so. good
              1. +6
                18 February 2013 21: 06
                Carlson, hello! Yes, I am like that. I brought the training program from my practice. It turns out that the evening students, whom I taught in the mid-90s, are more educated than modern full-time students. But evening parties also work during the day. Sincerely, Darren.
                1. +2
                  18 February 2013 21: 57
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Carlson, hello!


                  Good evening hi

                  Quote: Kasym
                  It turns out that the evening students, whom I taught in the mid-90s, are more educated than modern full-time students.


                  Naturally, modern children need a diploma rather than knowledge, and I can no longer convey to the generation of modern schoolchildren the feeling that arises from the enthusiastic study and solution of a complex scientific problem. crying the basis is being destroyed - the school, the authority of the teacher - who actually dreams of becoming a scientist biologist?


                  Quote: Kasym
                  But evening parties also work during the day.


                  - Yes, there were people nowadays,
                  Not that the present tribe:
                  Heroes - not you!

                  Quote: Kasym
                  Sincerely, Darren.


                  Nice to meet you, Alex.
                  1. +3
                    18 February 2013 22: 12
                    ALEXEI ! SIMILARLY! PUSH RYKY!!! Regards, Dairen!!!
                  2. walter_rus
                    0
                    19 February 2013 20: 47
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    about the feeling that arises from the enthusiastic study and solution of a complex scientific problem, I can no longer convey to the generation of modern schoolchildren

                    Absolutely agree! The most interesting thing in life is to learn something new, but for today's youth they put chewing gum in their mouths in the form of computer games, series, talk shows. Maybe this is the flip side of technological progress? The Soviet government, having educated people, taught them to think independently, and this also contributed to its death, when people began to think about the causes of problems in the country. And now the government gives people this chewing gum so that they don’t think about anything, and education enough to become a cog in the economy. By the way, Marxism-Leninism, which we so scolded, taught us to understand what is happening around us, even if it was tied to one ideology, but it taught us the logic that can be applied to any system.
                  3. +2
                    19 February 2013 21: 41
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    Naturally, modern children need a diploma rather than knowledge,


                    it is in your inverted system. Without knowledge, a diploma does not play a role and will be grandmothers thrown out for training.
                    They study (with us), how they study and pay for tuition (although not much, the more prestigious the university, the cheaper the education, it’s just that in order to enter you need to have such a passing score and the result of the Unified State Examination that the C students, and the C students, the entrance is practically closed.And the state sponsors, the university is more prestigious, the passing score is higher, the tuition fee is lower.Who studied well pays less.
                    Without knowledge, you won't finish. not a single university because of you races ... I will not lower my reputation. If you don’t want to study, you don’t have to, they don’t pull by the ears and don’t force you. Everyone is the blacksmith of his own happiness. Wipers are always needed outside the gates. laughing
                    1. +2
                      20 February 2013 01: 32
                      Quote: atalef
                      it's in your upside down system


                      it's in your head.


                      Quote: atalef
                      Without knowledge, a diploma does not play a role and will be grandmothers thrown out for training.


                      Yeah, tell me as an employer about it. laughing
                      The level of young people who graduated from the institute and come to me to get a job is deplorable.


                      Quote: atalef
                      without knowledge, you won’t finish. no university because of you races ... I will not lower my reputation. Do not want to learn, do not, do not pull by the ears and do not force.


                      You absolutely did not understand what I wanted to say - communication via the Internet request

                      Quote: atalef
                      Wipers are always needed outside the gates.


                      what about the wipers? Personally, I infinitely respect and honor the work of janitors who get up at four in the morning so that I go out into the yard cleared of snow, or do you despise such people?
            4. +4
              18 February 2013 21: 12
              Well, now we have KPI students, to whom the associate professor of the department of mathematics is forced to explain how to multiply fractions if they have different denominators !!! The man nearly had a heart attack! And according to the exam - full openwork !!!! fellow
              1. +6
                18 February 2013 22: 16
                Oh, Elena, don't speak! This is the exam, how to put it more delicately ... ZOMBING and ZYBRESHKA !!! Ny you understood!!!
                BIG RESPECT, Dyren!!! +!!!
            5. +1
              19 February 2013 04: 28
              It’s just that normal universities didn’t go here very much. About the weakness of mathematicians - you tell Princeton mathematics students, or MIT students, or Caltech students ... Well, non-core people know mathematics exactly as much as they need it. Better yet, just pass the GRE test on the first try (this is required for admission starting from the master's program)
              1. 0
                19 February 2013 21: 48
                Quote: cdrt
                Well, non-core people know mathematics exactly as much as they need it. Better yet, just pass the GRE test the first time (this is required for admission starting from the master's program)


                100%.
                In the USSR, artists taught higher mathematics and inorganic chemistry with astronomy. and what the hell are you asking?
                Mathematics was taught to everyone. only for some reason all the awards in mathematics in the west. But in Russia, even a cook knows what a complex integral is, or rather heard. but no more. It is necessary to teach profiles and there is nothing to stuff students with unnecessary knowledge. who have chosen their path in life and who know that they will never cross paths with higher mathematics. Humanitarians one thing, technicians - another.
                1. +1
                  20 February 2013 01: 33
                  Quote: atalef
                  In the USSR, artists taught higher mathematics and inorganic chemistry with astronomy. and what the hell are you asking?


                  if you do not understand common truths, this is only your personal misfortune.


                  Quote: atalef
                  Humanitarians one thing, technicians - another.


                  laughing
                2. +1
                  20 February 2013 14: 36
                  atalef
                  Suddenly you are uncomfortable bully
                  The experience of Soviet and Russian education is going to be adopted in the UK. Here they are going to teach children capable of mathematics on the model of specialized schools that appeared in our country back in the days of the USSR. In this way, the Minister of Education of the United Kingdom, Michael Gove, plans to increase the level of teaching of the "queen of sciences" in public schools.
                  http://newvesti.info/britaniya-budet-povyshat-kachestvo-obrazovaniya-ispolzuya-o


                  pyt-sssr /
            6. 0
              19 February 2013 09: 27
              Quote: Kasym
              My mother is a teacher of higher mathematics at the Institute of National Economy, Ph.D., she encountered students of American universities in the early 90s. There was such a student exchange program. "The horror is complete, they have a maximum level of the fifth grade. How to work with them" - her words. "If we knew this, then in America they would consider us geeks, and would study at the most prestigious universities for free" - the words of am. students about our school curriculum ( Grade 10 level ) . I had to introduce additional classes for them in order to somehow pull them up in 2 years.
              That is the reality.

              Reality? The reality is that an engineer who graduated from a university in the west is a ready-made specialist who is able to work independently after 2-3 weeks of adaptation at the workplace. Do not tell me about the level of education in the West and in Russia now. I have a son to study and the children of my friends (from Russia) There is nothing to compare. And mathematics is not a comparison. Do not be blind - and do not persuade yourself. Specialists produced by 90% of universities do not cost anything. the correspondence system is generally one continuous rollback. Don't tell stories to yourself.
              1. +3
                19 February 2013 12: 21
                Quote: atalef
                the correspondence system is generally one continuous rollback. Don't tell stories to yourself.


                Fairy tales, not fairy tales who wants to learn, he learns. My son also studied by correspondence. His diploma was one of the best. Therefore, I have the right to say so!
                1. +2
                  19 February 2013 21: 53
                  Quote: philippov
                  My son also studied by correspondence. His diploma was one of the best. Therefore, I have the right to say so!

                  I can not say anything about your son and even more so to offend. 2 friends are now graduating from the LIIZhda correspondence department, energy department. We studied for 6 years, I advised them on some issues. So, all their education is no higher than the level of a good technical school of the 80s, and exams are just for money. one more (for a diploma 0 he graduates from some kind of higher business school. So there in general - training and exams on the Internet - but a diploma is a university laughing
                  1. +1
                    20 February 2013 10: 26
                    Again, I emphasize that the whole point is what goals a person sets for himself when he enters to study. If he needs a diploma just to raise his "status" this is one thing. If he needs KNOWLEDGE in order to apply them in your work, the diploma will be proof in this case QUALIFICATIONS, he will study. GOOD SPECIALISTS WANTED anytime, anywhere!!
              2. +4
                19 February 2013 17: 13
                Alexander, why are you provoking? Where do you see that I write that there are no good specialists in the West. I taught for 17 years and did not work as a storyteller, I persuaded myself of nothing and I am not blind. If a person wants to learn, then no one will stop him! The job of a teacher is to help them!
                And please don't be rude anymore!!! And I do not intend to convince people like you !!! If you want to be respected, respect others!!! Goodbye.
                1. +1
                  19 February 2013 22: 49
                  Quote: Kasym
                  If a person wants to learn, then no one will stop him! The job of a teacher is to help them!

                  Dear Dauren! You are absolutely right, BUT .... you should also take into account the program! I don’t know about you, but in Ukraine they completely canceled compositions, retellings - occasionally! Only dictations. But it was the retellings, presentations, descriptions of paintings in elementary school, essays in high school that developed logic, the ability to highlight the main thing, to draw up a plan for a phased disclosure of the topic. And then we wonder why the level of education is low! I think that this is just sabotage, and everything has been done so that the younger generation stops thinking logically!
                  And further. An interesting fact was "discovered" by graduates who write the Unified State Examination. It is enough to mark the same letter in your version if you are not sure of the answer (i.e., mark point “b” everywhere, for example) and the number of points is quite collected for passing to the university! "So tell me for the sake of the octopus, but why study?"
              3. +2
                20 February 2013 01: 38
                Quote: atalef
                Reality? The reality is that an engineer who graduated from a university in the west is a ready-made specialist who is able to work independently after 2-3 weeks of adaptation at the workplace. Do not tell me about the level of education in the West and in Russia now.


                --- swaying in the chair---
                I am a certified engineer, in addition to technical education I have higher economic education, I have contacted Western colleagues more than once - and so I understand the subject better than they do, I also know the history and literature of their countries better, what does this mean?


                Quote: atalef
                .And math is not a comparison. .Don't be blind - and don't talk yourself into it. Specialists produced by 90% of universities do not cost anything. the correspondence system is generally one continuous rollback. Don't tell stories to yourself.


                laughing sorry, but how old are you?
          3. 0
            11 July 2013 14: 30
            quote = vladsolo56] You know, in the world there is nothing ideal, but in the Soviet school and in general in education there were a lot of things that were not perfect ... [/ quote]
            That's what I wanted to say. If the Soviet education system were ideal, then we would not have Yeltsins and Gaidars.
        4. borz68
          +9
          18 February 2013 18: 18
          Disagree completely!!! The Soviet education system made it possible for any person, regardless of the status of their parents and their financial condition, to a smart child to get an education. The very system of the country made it possible for self-improvement and pushed the most capable to the top. Now it's the other way around. Gifted children do not have the opportunity to learn. and learn those who have money, not brains. And the worst thing is that this is a road to nowhere! This is the path of degradation along which the West has already passed, and now we have rushed there.
          Yes, there were universities in which you had to pay. The same legal or medical institutes (but not all) But this did not apply to the basic branches of science! Those who move the progress of humanity as a whole! I am a physicist by training. In our stream, about 70% of the guys were from remote villages. And now?
          1. +8
            18 February 2013 18: 24
            So it’s not for nothing that Great Britain has now begun to switch to the Soviet education system. Looks like they realized that their "advanced tests" lead to a dead end. And God Himself ordered us to take the best from the past!
            1. +2
              18 February 2013 18: 42
              Quote: Egoza
              So it’s not for nothing that Great Britain has now begun to switch to the Soviet education system.


              to the heap, in England medicine is also built according to the socialist pattern, which gives the American a hundred eyes ahead.
              1. +1
                19 February 2013 04: 33
                to the heap, in England medicine is also built according to the socialist pattern, which gives the American a hundred eyes ahead.


                +100500
            2. Yarbay
              +6
              18 February 2013 22: 57
              Quote: Egoza
              So it’s not for nothing that Great Britain has now begun to switch to the Soviet education system

              Somehow I had to study for a year in the UK in the mid-90s !!
              I was shocked!! Chemistry, physics, and mathematics in one book, or rather in a magazine!!
              8 graders went through what we went through in the fifth, sixth grade!!
              1. tornado
                +2
                18 February 2013 23: 05
                What were you doing there in the mid 90s?
                1. Yarbay
                  +3
                  18 February 2013 23: 30
                  Quote from torrnado
                  What were you doing there in the mid 90s?

                  taught English, I wrote above!
                  1. +1
                    18 February 2013 23: 46
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    taught English, I wrote above!


                    so we believed you. wassat
                    1. Yarbay
                      +4
                      18 February 2013 23: 55
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      so we believed you.

                      Indeed, as the best student, they were sent to England for a year to study, a charitable foundation))))
                      of course, the merits were taken into account as a soldier!))
                      I'm completely serious!!
                      1. +3
                        19 February 2013 00: 28
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        of course, the merits were taken into account as a soldier!))


                        do they still take these?

                        --- I pull my hand from the back of the desk ---
                        - I'm with an RPG and a grenade launcher for you ....
                        - I’ll decompose a potential enemy at the very least, we’ll also burn the yachts of the oligarchs under the guise wink
                      2. Yarbay
                        +2
                        19 February 2013 00: 33
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        do they still take these?

                        Yes, everything is simpler, our local blogging foundation paid for the studies of 7 students, among the seven I was chosen!
                      3. +1
                        19 February 2013 00: 45
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Yes, everything is simpler, our local blogging foundation paid for the studies of 7 students, among the seven I was chosen!


                        ---mournfully---

                        Will the ability to fly aircraft count?
                      4. Yarbay
                        +2
                        19 February 2013 01: 32
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        Will the ability to fly aircraft count?
                        I don't think it would work then.
                        Damn you confused me)))))))
                        Now I don't think I deserve it.
                      5. +1
                        19 February 2013 01: 44
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Damn you confused me)))))))
                        Now I don't think I deserve it.


                        okay, we know you ---

                  2. +2
                    19 February 2013 00: 13
                    Ha ha, I believe you bully

                    But seriously, it is very difficult to evaluate the British school, even when your children have studied in it ...
                    The main difference is that you can "reset" some of the subjects after 10 years and for the remaining two years to learn only what (as you think) you will need. And a thin little book where physics, chemistry and biology are mixed here is called "Science" and you take it if you don't want to go deep. And if you go deep, then excuse me, move over, you learn everything in full. Of course, sometimes it surprises, for example, a brilliant electronic engineer, the complete absence of any concept of history, geography, etc.
                    The methods are different, but still it all depends on the student - if you want, you can learn everything.

                    General schools are the same - the program is approved by the Ministry and a step left-step right, well, of course .. Private schools, of course, cook big, and the price is appropriate, but for gifted children there is a powerful system of discounts and scholarships, you must pass entrance tests. Previously, there was another category of schools - tn Grammar schools, that is, on a general basis but with an increased quality of education (like Soviet special schools). They were eliminated 20 years ago, now they are talking about restoration.
                    1. Yarbay
                      +4
                      19 February 2013 00: 28
                      Quote: SlavaP
                      Ha ha, I believe you

                      Your right!!
                      I studied in Halifax!!
                      Only English and computer courses, but ordinary students studied nearby!
                      There were also Russian students, but they were schoolchildren!
                      1. +4
                        19 February 2013 00: 51
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I studied in Halifax!!
                        Only English and computer courses, but ordinary students studied nearby!


                        yes, okay, everyone knows that you are a KGB agent, first computer courses, and then tea with polonium - finally confess.
                      2. Yarbay
                        +4
                        19 February 2013 01: 35
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        yes, okay, everyone knows that you are a KGB agent, first computer courses, and then tea with polonium - finally confess.

                        We were taught that if a beautiful girl tries to kill a scout, then she must be ignored or killed herself)))
                      3. +3
                        19 February 2013 01: 42
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        everyone knows that you are a KGB agent,

                        That's not a day that would not reveal the state secret! fool Why did he become attached to a person? his service is such- For the good of our Soviet Motherland soldier lol
                      4. Yarbay
                        +4
                        19 February 2013 01: 51
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        That's not a day that would not reveal the state secret! Why did he become attached to a person? his service is such- For the good of our Soviet Motherland

                        I was at least lucky, I saw that country and there was a feeling of belonging to a great idea and a powerful country! Nowhere in the world not one fly could bite!
                      5. +2
                        19 February 2013 01: 59
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        the fly couldn't bite!

                        Flies just bit and bite all over the world, and also bumblebees mosquitoes .... laughing
                      6. Kaa
                        +3
                        19 February 2013 02: 22
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Flies just bit and bite all over the world, and also bumblebees mosquitoes

                        These are all trifles, but the midge in the forest-tundra - brrr, how many years have passed, but still ... hydko negative
                      7. +1
                        19 February 2013 02: 32
                        Quote: Kaa
                        It's all the little things

                        Yes, I actually meant other insects feel
                      8. Kaa
                        +1
                        19 February 2013 02: 55
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Yes, I actually meant other insects

                        yes, me too .... allegorically ... the smaller the insect, the more disgusting, now, would you like to get acquainted - Pediculus humanus in person, and how much more ... Pthirus pubic after unplanned contacts disables for a long time, but such a trifle - it causes epidemics .... maybe one of them infects liberalism with me ... this is the reason for "color revolutions"! belay
                      9. +3
                        19 February 2013 03: 07
                        Quote: Kaa
                        the smaller the insect, the more disgusting,

                        Quote: Kaa
                        The human louse

                        Looks like a clinton after diarrhea wassat
                      10. +1
                        19 February 2013 03: 01
                        Quote: Kaa
                        These are all trifles, but the midge in the forest-tundra - brrr, how many years have passed, but still ... hydko


                        come on, the midge is going for meat welds in a bowler hat.
                      11. Kaa
                        +2
                        19 February 2013 04: 06
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        the midge goes for meat welds in a bowler hat

                        Yeah, especially through the nose, ears and mouth - and into the "bowler"
                      12. +1
                        19 February 2013 04: 25
                        Quote: Kaa
                        through the nose, ears and mouth - and into the "bowler"

                        You can also anoint the bread with tomato laughing
                      13. +2
                        19 February 2013 01: 59
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        That's not a day that would not reveal the state secret!


                        come on, he finally can be Al Pacino, at the sight of such even Muller cried.

                      14. +2
                        19 February 2013 02: 04
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        at the sight of such even Müller wept.

                        If Mueller saw the current ones, he would hang himself wassat
                      15. +2
                        19 February 2013 02: 23
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        If Mueller saw the current ones, he would hang himself


                        too late to rush about - our grandfathers did everything.
                      16. +3
                        19 February 2013 02: 27
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        our grandfathers did everything.

                        Well, this is not a reason to relax and rest on their laurels. request Frames need to be forged, but now we have some kind of unconvincing forge sad
                      17. 0
                        19 February 2013 03: 03
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        And now we have some kind of unconvincing


                        all the way wink .
                      18. +1
                        19 February 2013 03: 13
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        all the way

                        A straighter path and fewer potholes drinks
                      19. 0
                        19 February 2013 03: 23
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        A straighter path and fewer potholes


                        all in our hands

                    2. +1
                      19 February 2013 00: 31
                      Quote: SlavaP
                      General schools are the same - the program is approved by the Ministry and a step left-step right, well, of course .. Private schools, of course, cook big, and the price is appropriate, but for gifted children there is a powerful system of discounts and scholarships, you must pass entrance tests.


                      There is a significant difference between public and private schools.


                      Quote: SlavaP
                      however, for gifted children there is a powerful system of discounts and scholarships


                      aha wassat a talented child and a prince from the royal family have equal opportunities!
                2. +2
                  18 February 2013 23: 44
                  Quote from torrnado

                  What were you doing there in the mid 90s?

                  --- throwing Budyonovka on the ground ---
                  1. Kaa
                    +5
                    19 February 2013 00: 19
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    Quote from torrnado
                    What were you doing there in the mid 90s?
                    --- throwing Budyonovka on the ground-

                    INFORMATION FOR THINKING Which fund?
                    The success of "color revolutions" is 80 percent dependent on the human factor. “The more professionals there are in the ranks of the conspirators, the more friendly people in the enemy camp (informants, “figures of influence”, accomplices), the higher their chances of success.” That is why the role and importance of the human factor in the "color revolutions" is enormous. But where do local “colored” enthusiasts and coordinators come from? Why are they ready to work against their country with foreign money? In fact, everything is very simple: the most important players in the CR are recruited. Of greatest interest to the conspirators are the middle and senior managers of the security agencies and the armed forces, as well as authorized figures in power structures18. Equally important, and sometimes even more important, is the recruitment of workers on the “ideological front”—journalists, scientists, publicists, and now even bloggers who identify themselves as intellectuals. Under very strange circumstances, in 2010, Navalny was accepted to study at Yale University under the Yale World Fellows program. Out of more than a thousand applicants, only 20 people were selected - presumably the most promising.
                    Among the teachers of this program were the veteran of the British Foreign Office Lord Malloch-Brown and the staff of the Open Society Institute. World Fellows is financed by the Starr Foundation of Maurice R. ("Hank") Greenberg, former president of the insurance giant American International Group (AIG), who received a giant injection from George W. Bush. and B. Obama in 2008-2009. According to Executive Intelligence Review experts led by L. LaRouche, Grinberg and his firm CV Starr are engaged in “regime change.” Navalny himself writes that Masha Gaidar advised him to apply for participation in the program, and he received recommendations from leading professors Higher School of Economics in Moscow. By the way, Navalny started his anti-corruption campaign against Transneft from New Haven (that is, directly from Yale University). The Americans have developed a unique and very effective recruiting formula - MICE. Its name is derived from the first letters of the words: "Money - Ideology - Compromise - Ego" ("Money - Ideology - Compromise - Ego"). http://cuamckuykot.ru/how-to-recruit-agents-of-influence-6562.html
                    Dozens of Kuwaiti charitable organizations have received fame and recognition, such as the General Organization for Juvenile Affairs (established in 1938), the Kuwait Fund for Arab Economic Development (1961), the State Organization of the South and the Arabian Gulf (1966), the Islamic World Committee (1981), the Fund zakat (1982), the Society for Social Reform and the Committee of Islamic Appeal acting on its behalf in other countries (1984), the Committee for Charitable Aid (1986), the Committee of Muslims, the Committee for the Revival of Islamic Heritage (1981), the World Islamic Charitable Organization (WIBO). The largest of these is the government-run charitable organization, the Zakat Foundation (Beit al-zakat). Training was carried out at the expense of the Islamic Call Committee 24,5 thousand students, paid for the work of 938 teachers, 69 preachers и имамов, http://magazines.russ.ru/oz/2003/5/2003_5_41.html

                    "
                    1. +1
                      19 February 2013 00: 33
                      Quote: Kaa
                      INFORMATION FOR THINKING Which fund?
                      The success of "color revolutions" is 80 percent dependent on the human factor. “The more professionals there are in the ranks of the conspirators, the more friendly people in the enemy camp (informants, “figures of influence”, accomplices), the higher their chances of success.”


                      Mishiko, Ivy and their wives look at Navalny as if they were Laino.
                      1. Kaa
                        +2
                        19 February 2013 00: 57
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        Mishiko, Ivy and their wives look at Navalny as if they were Laino.

                        Competition universities intelligence schools:
                        "In his youth, Mikhail Saakashvili was fond of swimming, music, basketball, and also studied English and French. In high school he was Deputy Secretary of the School Komsomol Committee No. 51, where he studied. In 1984 he graduated from secondary school No. 51 in Tbilisi with a gold medal. In 1992 he graduated with honors from the Faculty of International Law of the Institute of International Relations of the Kyiv University. T. Shevchenko. According to some media reports, in 1988 Saakashvili was expelled from the Komsomol and expelled from the university for distributing dissident literature. He was able to recover at the university only after completing military service in the border troops of the KGB of the USSR in 1989-90. As a US State Department scholarship holder, he was sent to study at Columbia University (New York), where in 1994 he received a master's degree in law. He studied at the Strasbourg Institute of Human Rights, as well as at the Academy of European Law in Florence and at the Hague Academy of International Law. Worked at the Norwegian Institute of Human Rights in Oslo, at the New York law firm Patterson, Belknap, Webb; Tyler, which was engaged in legal support of oil and gas projects in the CIS
                        Maybe one has a pro-Rothschild and the rest have a pro-Rockefeller orientation? Or vice versa, I constantly confuse these Wrottweilers-Hawfellers. request
                      2. 0
                        19 February 2013 20: 03
                        Kaa,
                        Yes, our notorious "partners" work subtly. You won't have time to look back even on the hook. Well, I think ours are not worse than a locomotive.
                    2. Yarbay
                      +5
                      19 February 2013 00: 56
                      Quote: Kaa
                      Equally important, and sometimes even more important, is the recruitment of workers on the “ideological front”—journalists, scientists, publicists, and now even bloggers who identify themselves as intellectuals.

                      Well, not everyone can be recruited))))))))))
                      Especially a hereditary Komsomol member))
                      I studied in Moscow and nowhere did they try to recruit me!))))))
                      Probably overlooked))))))))))))
                      Well, I probably didn’t fit under the above indicated professions)))))
                      1. +4
                        19 February 2013 01: 29
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I studied in Moscow and nowhere did they try to recruit me!))))))
                        Probably overlooked))))))))))))

                        So you played the honorary role of Elusive Joe? bully You can recruit but don't fucking need it wassat hi
                      2. Yarbay
                        +2
                        19 February 2013 01: 30
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        You can recruit but don't fucking need it

                        I agree with this Ruslan)))))))))
                        Moreover, a professional recruiter does not have punctures))))))))))
                      3. +2
                        19 February 2013 01: 36
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Moreover, a professional recruiter does not have punctures

                        Everyone has punctures request It's just that some are mostly in a condom belay
                      4. +2
                        19 February 2013 01: 49
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Well, not everyone can be recruited))))))))))
                        Especially a hereditary Komsomol member))


                        I report:
                        - they didn't get anything.


                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I studied in Moscow and nowhere did they try to recruit me!))))))


                        laugh, but after a fight with an Arab in a cafe on the territory of today's NAU, the SBU tried to recruit me belay - question :
                        - why do I ask to this day what
                      5. Yarbay
                        +2
                        19 February 2013 01: 55
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        laugh, but after a fight with an Arab in a cafe on the territory of today's NAU, the SBU tried to recruit me - question:
                        - why do I ask to this day

                        To be honest, I won’t laugh, this speaks of the unprofessionalism of the one who tried to do it !!
                        This is very delicate work and a good piece of counterintelligence, especially in our time!
                      6. +2
                        19 February 2013 02: 04
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        This is very delicate work and a good piece of counterintelligence, especially in our time!


                        when they tried to recruit me, I asked:
                        Does my last name mean anything to you?
                        the question of professionalism was not even close.
                      7. Yarbay
                        +3
                        19 February 2013 02: 19
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        when they tried to recruit me, I asked:
                        Does my last name mean anything to you?
                        the question of professionalism was not even close.

                        In general, recruitment is aerobatics!
                        Not everyone is given!
                        it’s just that many have now read different books and seen enough films, and for some it’s romance and something super duper, but for others it’s stereotypes !!!
                      8. 0
                        19 February 2013 02: 26
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        it’s just that many have now read different books and seen enough films, and for some it’s romance and something super duper, but for others it’s stereotypes !!!


                        yes, in fact, everything is much more prosaic - blackmail, bribery, threats --- but this is what I learned from my own experience.
                      9. Yarbay
                        +2
                        19 February 2013 02: 35
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        yes, in fact, everything is much more prosaic - blackmail, bribery, threats --- but this is what I learned from my own experience.

                        agree, but it's everyday and routine!
                        Whereas finding the right person and preferably supporting the ideas of his country is not easy!
                        Ideological and double agents are the cream)))))))))))))
                      10. +1
                        19 February 2013 03: 05
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Ideological and double agents are the cream)))))))))))))


                        where are they accepted into the society named after Abel?
                      11. +2
                        19 February 2013 02: 29
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I've read a lot of books and watched movies

                        Aha! and like Sidelnikov in Knockout-Come to us as spies fellow fool laughing
                      12. +3
                        19 February 2013 01: 57
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        question :
                        - why do I ask to this day

                        Well, what is not clear? for the report on the work done among the nazekstremistov-beat the face of the Arab? and in Russian at the same time swearing? For two articles already wassat
                      13. +2
                        19 February 2013 02: 09
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Well, what is not clear? for a report on the work done among the national extremists, the Arab was beaten in the face?


                        I report that I beat the face not like an Arab, but like a mug who insulted our girl in his own words.


                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        and in Russian at the same time swearing?


                        no, cursing.


                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Here are two articles


                        I respect the Criminal Code of Ukraine. wassat
                      14. +4
                        19 February 2013 02: 12
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        beat the face not like an Arab, but like a mug

                        That's where the real pro is! good He stuffed the face of an Arab and even called him a mug wassat
                      15. Yarbay
                        +3
                        19 February 2013 02: 20
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        That's where the real pro is! He stuffed the face of an Arab and even called him a mug

                        Even then I figured out the Wahhabi))))))))))))
                      16. +2
                        19 February 2013 02: 23
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Even then I figured out the Wahhabi))

                        Normal preventive work with the supervised contingent angry bully
                      17. +2
                        19 February 2013 02: 31
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        That's where the real pro is


                        I was bullied by the champions of the USSR in Greco-Roman wrestling.


                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        He stuffed the face of an Arab and even called him a mug


                        I’m not proud of this fact, I’m proud that when, because of the war in Chechnya, they started to “drive” my teacher, a Chechen, according to mat-models, I built a collective farm on the line angry . And without effort laughing .
                      18. +2
                        19 February 2013 02: 35
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        - built a collective farm on the line

                        It was necessary to disperse and not build, so that it would be disrespectful to gather in a bunch
                      19. +1
                        19 February 2013 03: 08
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        It was necessary to disperse and not build, so that it would be disrespectful to gather in a bunch


                        in this situation, half of my group were cadets of the Air Force Criminal Code recourse disperse not as it did not work with all my desire.
                      20. Yarbay
                        +3
                        19 February 2013 02: 45
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        I’m not proud of this fact, I’m proud that when, because of the war in Chechnya, my teacher, a Chechen, began to be “driven” according to mat-models, I built a collective farm to the strings. And without effort

                        That's why I said that you had to go to freestyle wrestling)))))))))))))))
                        In general, they would sit on a bench and everyone would be built))))))))))
                      21. +3
                        19 February 2013 03: 10
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        That's why I said that you had to go to freestyle wrestling)))))))))))))))
                        In general, they would sit on a bench and everyone would be built))))))))))


                        I state with authority:
                        - a good wrestler can become a good freestyle wrestler, a judaist and even a sambo wrestler, a good wrestler, a good judaist, a good sambo wrestler - will never become a good wrestler.
                      22. Kaa
                        0
                        19 February 2013 02: 05
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        SBU tried to recruit me - question:
                        - why do I ask to this day

                        Well, following the MICE system, apparently, the SBU was tight with money, there was no ideological background in your conflict with the Arab, they didn’t find compromising evidence on you (probably you didn’t beat him hard enough, it didn’t attract an article), and, finally , with a calm heart, I can state that you didn’t get too much from your opponent - your ego was not infringed. Summary - not a single criterion allowed recruitment, even for a professional. And finally, kids...
                      23. 0
                        19 February 2013 02: 49
                        Quote: Kaa
                        Well, following the MICE system, apparently, the SBU had a tight time with money.


                        The SBU was then in a deplorable state, otherwise they would have spoken to me differently.


                        Quote: Kaa
                        no ideological background was seen in your conflict with the Arab, no compromising evidence was found on you


                        when it turned out that I was a "general's son", and from a bloody hell - the one who recruited me was bad.


                        Quote: Kaa
                        (probably, you didn’t beat him hard enough, you weren’t drawn to the article


                        inflict grievous or moderate bodily harm on a foreign national? what do you take me for?
                        how a Soviet, qualified athlete neatly arranged for him to meet the floor of the cafeteria - that's all. request Muslims have a trick --- in front of his compatriots, he will fight like a lion, alone - he will be blown away at once.


                        Quote: Kaa
                        well, and, finally, with a calm heart, I can state that you didn’t get much from your opponent


                        you offend feel , I as a member of sports schools: Lokomotiv, Dimamo, SKA, Spartak - the son of the deserts had nothing to catch. Well, if the school goes to the Olympic Reserve School of the USSR winked .


                        Quote: Kaa
                        Summary - not a single criterion allowed recruitment, even for a professional.


                        Later, SBU workers came to me with a job offer, but how can I be a Russian - who took an oath on admission to the October Revolutionaries — Komsomol pioneers can I accept this offer?
                      24. Kaa
                        +4
                        19 February 2013 04: 00
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        SBU employees

                        Now it's Сtepana Бanders Уboard =SBU. The name amateur - for them heals proudly, the main thing is the place of birth-residence and, preferably, the history department behind me ... the rest will follow.
                      25. 0
                        19 February 2013 14: 35
                        Quote: Kaa
                        .the rest will follow.

                        It is desirable that "this rest" includes dad / uncle - a deputy. Then the place is guaranteed.
                      26. Kaa
                        +1
                        19 February 2013 01: 55
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I studied in Moscow and they didn’t try to recruit me anywhere!)

                        God bless you dear Yarbaywhy are you ours with Karlson Communication about the former leaders of Georgia, Ukraine and the well-known opposition figure and the foundations that may have financed them were taken personally?! And there was no such thing in my thoughts ... it’s just interesting to know how people get to Britain and live, because evil tongues say that both studying and living in the UK are expensive? request
                      27. +2
                        19 February 2013 02: 12
                        Quote: Kaa
                        .just interesting to know how people get to Britain and live, do evil tongues say that both studying and living in the UK are expensive?


                        I have been in theirs abroad - Europe and the Americas - sucks, about --- expensive, a potential enemy you need to know.
                      28. Kaa
                        +3
                        19 February 2013 02: 29
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        I've been to their borders

                        "I saw their Italy - boot with boot"
                      29. +2
                        19 February 2013 03: 14
                        Quote: Kaa
                        "I saw their Italy - boot with boot"


                      30. Yarbay
                        +2
                        19 February 2013 02: 22
                        Quote: Kaa
                        God forbid, dear Yarbay, why did you take our communication with Karlson about the former leaders of Georgia, Ukraine and the well-known opposition leader and the funds that may have financed them into your own account?! And there was no such thing in my thoughts ... it’s just interesting to know how people get to Britain and live, because evil tongues say that both studying and living in the UK are expensive?


                        Yes, just answering Alexei, you cited a quote related to me !!
                        For the most part, in the future, I was related to the services, but as an officer))))))))
                      31. +2
                        19 February 2013 03: 25
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        For the most part, in the future, I was related to the services, but as an officer))))))))


                        ahhh, don't burn the house!!!
                      32. +5
                        19 February 2013 03: 34
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        ahhh, don't burn the house!!!

                        Late! turnout failed Flower wilted 38 irons were stolen along with the windowsill Poison expired and a pile of mattresses were piled under the staircase window belay The net was covered with a copper basin wassat
                      33. Kaa
                        +2
                        19 February 2013 03: 38
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        ahh, don't burn the house!!!

                        "Do you sell a Slavic wardrobe?" The memo is clickable and very informative bully
                      34. +3
                        19 February 2013 03: 47
                        Quote: Kaa
                        Do you sell a Slavic wardrobe?

                        With ours, it’s easier - they take out a spoon from a glass, but they still squint their eyes bully
                      35. +1
                        19 February 2013 04: 10
                        crawling in a plastunsky way along the curb:
                        - cabinets, irons and spoons --- do not channel!
                      36. +2
                        19 February 2013 04: 23
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        cabinets, irons and spoons --- do not channel!

                        That's just a parachute dragging behind brings some disharmony wassat
              2. +3
                19 February 2013 00: 40
                Alibek, brother, glad to see you! + ! My wife's sister has been working in London for 5 years. Well, of course, her daughter left with her. The company paid for her schooling, and in a private one. So she immediately became the best there. Her teacher was our compatriot, a Jewess by nationality. So she praised her all over the interruption: "Here is our education system!". And now my niece is studying at a university that is one of the top five universities in the UK. This year of study is left and she is invited to stay in the master's program.
                1. Yarbay
                  +3
                  19 February 2013 00: 44
                  Quote: Kasym

                  Alibek, brother, glad to see you!

                  Hello Dauren!
                  honestly, I’m probably a happy person and I’m terribly lucky, I traveled half the Europe to various courses, they sent me and often thanks to my first trip))) !!
                  And now I understand that there are no better impressions!
                  Now often with friends we recall their naivety, the teachers there, they believed everything)))))))
                  I was amazed by their warmth and kindness!
                  Then they told me that in the north of England there are such kind people, in the south it is much worse! But my stereotypes were shaken there!
                2. +3
                  19 February 2013 00: 58
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Alibek, brother, glad to see you! + !


                  Well, who downvoted?


                  Quote: Kasym
                  My wife’s sister has been working in London for 5 years. Well, of course, and her daughter left with her. The company paid for her tuition at school, and in private.


                  everything is clear, London is teeming with KGB agents.

            3. +1
              19 February 2013 12: 01
              Quote: Egoza
              So it’s not for nothing that Great Britain has now begun to switch to the Soviet education system. Looks like they realized that their "advanced tests" lead to a dead end. And God Himself ordered us to take the best from the past!

              ????????????????
              can confirmation
              1. +2
                20 February 2013 01: 47
                Quote: atalef
                can confirmation


                while in London, I ran into our former one - like you, huddled in an argument that I know when Cromwell died, and if in this pretentious bar one of the Englishmen tells me when Ivan the Terrible died, I will put down. laughing
                Guess who drank for free?
          2. +5
            18 February 2013 18: 41
            Quote from: borz68
            The Soviet education system made it possible for any person, regardless of the status of their parents and their financial condition, to get an education for an intelligent child.


            I’m actually talking about the same thing, there is strict segregation in American schools, plus material opportunities, in addition, I talked with more than one of our teachers who visited Western schools - we, in the USSR, had it better.
          3. walter_rus
            +2
            19 February 2013 20: 58
            If universities had to pay, then this was already an article of the Criminal Code. Who had the ability, and in the best universities studied for free. And now everything is legal. Normal education will be only for the rich. The society will finally stratify. Although there used to be a saying for university graduates who came to production: "Now forget everything you were taught." The Western system is good, which is tied to a specific job, but does not give breadth of thinking. Everywhere has its pros and cons.
        5. 0
          18 February 2013 18: 39
          ?????
          what is the conclusion?!!!
        6. Oleg Rosskiyy
          0
          18 February 2013 21: 46
          Beard,
          Gray hair in a beard, ... in a rib.
      10. +7
        18 February 2013 15: 43
        Quote: Cartoon
        We should ask ourselves - since everything was so rosy in the USSR, why did it fall apart?


        what do you know about the referendum and the voting results?
      11. 0
        18 February 2013 16: 22
        Quote: Cartoon
        We should ask ourselves - since everything was so rosy in the USSR, why did it fall apart?

        An ideology that ignores human instincts (for example, a sense of ownership) is doomed to failure.
        The same with the West. Their ideology is based on the base qualities of a person, they are also doomed to defeat.
        1. vladsolo56
          +5
          18 February 2013 16: 26
          ownership is not an instinct, so your assessment is wrong. Instinct is considered subconscious behavior aimed at survival and prolongation of the family. possessiveness has nothing to do with either one or the other. Quite the opposite, community and cohesion is the way to survive
          1. 0
            20 February 2013 03: 41
            Quote: vladsolo56
            ownership is not an instinct, so your assessment is wrong.

            Ownership is my land, my home, my cow. This feeling has evolved over thousands of years. For example, in the Stone Age, one had to take care of a club in order to be fed. If it doesn't exist, then there is no future. As for the assessment, this is a historical fact.
            Quote: vladsolo56
            Just the opposite community and cohesion is the way to survive

            I did not write anything about individualism and disunity.
        2. 0
          18 February 2013 16: 40
          Quote: Source of Light
          An ideology that ignores human instincts (for example, a sense of ownership) is doomed to failure.

          laughing laughing laughing



          Quote: vladsolo56
          ownership is not an instinct, so your assessment is wrong.


          and we argue about Soviet education wink
          1. vladsolo56
            +2
            18 February 2013 16: 41
            I replied to the source of light)))
            1. +4
              18 February 2013 16: 55
              Quote: vladsolo56
              I replied to the source of light)))


              employees ask why I was covered with hysteria with laughter wassat
      12. +2
        18 February 2013 19: 28
        Yes, because the elite stole, and it was impossible to legalize the stolen. So they staged a privatization. And now the situation in the country is the same as in the late 80s. The tops cannot and do not know what to do .... but they don’t want to give up power, because they will have to answer for the "bazaar" ...
      13. WADUHa
        +1
        18 February 2013 19: 51
        Good people helped ..... but the USSR could become a new world power, and not a broken Gorbochev-Yeltsin trough ...
      14. +2
        18 February 2013 20: 40
        Because they stared at other people's peacock tails, and under them a butt was hiding ... yes, such that we still disentangle ...
      15. Octavian avgust
        +1
        20 February 2013 21: 55
        In the USSR, there was a social type of world order close to fair. Everyone worked and worked for the good of the Motherland, honest work was promoted, and not like the current parasitism. The verdict would have been signed for the Western elite if its inhabitants had learned how they live in the USSR. And they couldn't let that happen. Gorby agent and traitor. How could he give up power in a superpower, for the sake of applause and applause from the West. Generally moral angry
      16. 0
        24 February 2013 22: 23
        Quote: Cartoon
        We should ask ourselves - since everything was so rosy in the USSR, why did it fall apart?

        And Vsezh through the efforts of the same West, and above all the United States. And now they, through our various kinds of liberals, have us as they want.
    2. Komodo
      +28
      18 February 2013 11: 49
      I left the Soviet Union. And in my opinion, the most important thing has disappeared since then - self-respect, awareness of the greatness of the people.
      On the tip of the spear of statehood were fools and ignoramuses. Shameless, illiterate grabbers without a drop of patriotism.
      In Sweden, which is six times smaller than Yakutia, I was Russian. And I didn't give a damn about all their valuables.
      I was from the Empire. And that country born to crawl, what could it give to a person from a nation that discovered space?
      gave all of Europe such pindulae that they will be afraid of us for a very long time. And try in every possible way
      in his own way, in a mouse way, set up some kind of disgusting thing for us. Russia does not need to go there. There is really dirt and decay of the spirit,
      debauchery and pettiness. That is why the Iron Curtain protected us in the Union. But it collapsed. And the infection hit my country.
      1. +11
        18 February 2013 15: 53
        Quote: Komodo
        And in my opinion, the most important thing has disappeared since then - self-respect, awareness of the greatness of the people.
        On the tip of the spear of statehood were fools and ignoramuses.

        good


        if anyone hasn't seen it, here it is:

        on the picture:

        Supposedly from the 463rd Bomber Squadron, Royal Australian Air Force.

        The drawing on the fuselage is a ballot paper. Names of candidates:

        John Curtin (Prime Minister of Australia)
        Jan Christian Smuts (Prime Minister of the Union of South Africa)
        Joseph Stalin
        Winston Churchill
        Mahatma Gandhi

        The crew votes for Stalin!


        Reached out!!!
        1. Komodo
          +9
          18 February 2013 16: 09
          But many of us are from the Soviet Union. We know. Those who are growing up are gone. And it is necessary to convey, to be in time, to tell what happened in the Union.
          WHAT we lost in the pursuit of hamburgers.
          1. +7
            18 February 2013 16: 30
            Quote: Komodo
            And it is necessary to convey, to be in time, to tell what happened in the Union.
            WHAT we lost in the pursuit of hamburgers.


            agree drinks
            1. -1
              19 February 2013 00: 15
              Do not politicize the cutlet beyond measure ... took it, ate it and forgot tongue
              1. +1
                19 February 2013 00: 36
                Quote: SlavaP
                Do not politicize the cutlet beyond measure ... took it, ate it and forgot


                already passed No. - jeans, VCRs, Pepsi Cola...

          2. WADUHa
            +1
            18 February 2013 20: 18
            You know, but in my opinion, it’s already too late to convey something about the Union to the current young generation: they already have the dollar in their eyes, and everything that is not connected with it is not interesting to them .... They were late ....
            1. +3
              18 February 2013 23: 49
              Quote: WadUHa
              You know, but in my opinion, it’s already too late to convey something about the Union to the current young generation: they already have the dollar in their eyes, and everything that is not connected with it is not interesting to them .... They were late ....


              You haven't seen my godson and nephew.

              And from the children's group, which I led, a cell of radical young communists came out in general. wassat
      2. +2
        18 February 2013 20: 12
        Komodo,
        Quote: Komodo
        in Sweden, which is six times smaller than Yakutia, I was Russian. And I didn't give a damn about all their valuables.
        I was from the Empire. And that country born to crawl, what could it give to a person from a nation that discovered space?


        Gold words !!!!! God forbid that my children could say the same thing about Russia I would give everything for this, and I think I'm not alone!
    3. +7
      18 February 2013 12: 54
      Well said lol Well, I would say differently. (I apologize for being rude) The whole of Western civilization, with its values, is like a bad housewife, whose lips are made up, but the bottom is not washed. Recent events in egegeirope confirm this. The fallen harlot is Europe. I wonder if the same fate awaits her as Soddom and Gomorrah?
    4. mankurt
      +3
      18 February 2013 23: 34
      If I am not recognized as an occupier and colonialist, I will have to recognize the senselessness of independence, which has given nothing. I usually write, except for the right to independently set the price of tram tickets and admire the coat of arms. I will not list the destroyed and destroyed either. Moreover, destroyed forever without a chance of revival even in the distant future.
      1. 0
        18 February 2013 23: 52
        Quote: mankurt
        If I am not recognized as an occupier and colonizer, I will have to recognize the meaninglessness of independence


        At the time of the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine was the most powerful republic - as it turned out, everything can be flushed down the toilet for the sake of "tightly stuffed pockets."
        --- I clean Mauser, singing:
        - the banners of our army are still beyond the horizon .... ---
    5. krisostomus
      -1
      19 February 2013 11: 18
      Well, do you think that walking with an uncovered ....... oh it was much better? Why, then, be surprised that from there after 1991 everything fell out on public display.
  2. Frigate
    +9
    18 February 2013 09: 35
    It is a pity that the modern Russian multmotograph AND KINOMOTOGRAPH leave much to be desired with longing for the films of the USSR of 1960-70.
    1. +1
      18 February 2013 12: 10
      Well, why, then, there were terrible, hacky cartoons and films called art, and now there are good ones, as in other things at all times, there is both hi
    2. Che
      Che
      +4
      18 February 2013 13: 51
      Frigate,
      Now, when watching old Soviet films, you understand what kind of shit the Westerners planted on us.
    3. +3
      18 February 2013 16: 00
      Quote: Frigate
      It is a pity that the modern Russian multmotograph AND KINOMOTOGRAPH leave much to be desired with longing for the films of the USSR of 1960-70.


      not all is lost wink

  3. +18
    18 February 2013 09: 41
    Great article, Alex! You correctly identified the pain point of the current moral crisis, in particular in Russia - this is a transition to the standards of Western education.
    We already see the fruits, or rather the tares. I think that the precedent with Taburetkin must be transferred to our education: to drive out all would-be reformers and all liberalist riff-raff! Take the most severe measures against corruption in this area!
    1. +1
      19 February 2013 05: 25
      Quote: nokki
      Take the most severe measures against corruption in this area!

      The other day I went to such a trading establishment called Uchsnab, and it became clear why our schools and other educational institutions do not have (or few) teaching aids. Prices for computers, monitors, multimedia and other electronics are more than double the prices in electronics supermarkets. Gypsum prisms 20+15 cm 1 tyr. everything related to physics, chemistry, and biology, the prices for benefits are prohibitive, and defy the logic of pricing. So while such unfortunate reformers are at the helm of education, there will be no competent and intelligent future specialists in Russia. We breed Khalopov with such an education system.
      1. walter_rus
        0
        19 February 2013 22: 20
        Prices are too high not only for education goods, but also for children's goods and medicines, without which people cannot do without. This is capitalism in its purest form, where the appetites of business are not limited.
      2. walter_rus
        +1
        20 February 2013 15: 03
        I'll add my idea here. Today it was announced on TV that housing and communal services may soon rise in price dozens of times, and bread will cost from 50 rubles. This is another experiment on the people for survival. And the problem is that in the economy the principle is "one with a bipod, seven with a spoon." There are fewer and fewer workers and peasants (only for some reason their work is not valued higher), and more and more office hamsters with a good salary. Of course, quality goods in such conditions will only rise in price. For example, in the United States, one farmer feeds about 100 people. How can we do without chemistry and GMOs?
  4. +2
    18 February 2013 09: 46
    Well, why do we have to go through all the mistakes of the West?
    1. +13
      18 February 2013 09: 55
      Quote: alvog
      Well, why do we have to go through all the mistakes of the West?

      Because a lot of money is "made" on reforms, including education. And what about people in general? Business and nothing personal...
      PS I would kill ...
      1. Komodo
        0
        18 February 2013 13: 59
        Nature sent us to the aid of Western civilization.
        Save her. And of course she led us through all the circles of Western hell. To
        got to the core of the problem.
    2. 0
      18 February 2013 12: 12
      Quote: alvog
      Well, why do we have to go through all the mistakes of the West?

      To fill your forehead well with bumps that will knock out all the nonsense about the "beautiful west" from your head!
    3. Komodo
      +4
      18 February 2013 13: 58
      Collapse? This is the Evolution of Russia as a nation. And it doesn’t matter what serves as a catalyst. This is her OWN restless mind, an indestructible thirst for self-digging, followed by burning out the old, unnecessary in herself. And the indispensable emergence of a new, renewed state. The ethnos needs development. This is the need for the inquisitive Russian mind to look, at least with one eye, what is there in the other world? The Soviet people achieved everything that could be thought of within the framework of the Union. It's time to find out how the rest of the world lives. Did you know? Got into trouble? Nothing. It's always like this in Russia. The deeper it gets into a hole, the more zealously it gets out of it. As always.

      Nature sent us to the aid of Western civilization.
      Save her. And of course, she took us through all the circles of Western hell. To get to the bottom of the problem.))
  5. alkach555
    +2
    18 February 2013 09: 52
    Not everything is bought with money. Conscience and decency, that's for sure. And in the USSR this was more than in the West. tongue
    1. +3
      18 February 2013 10: 40
      Not everything can be bought with money. The same conscience for example. But it's still for sale.
      1. jack clubs
        +3
        18 February 2013 12: 35
        Everything for sale is cheap. Therefore, everything is put up for sale, and the concept of "fair value" is imposed on priceless things. Well, there is no value in truly valuable things.
      2. walter_rus
        0
        19 February 2013 22: 27
        Quote: Renat
        Not everything can be bought with money.
        I am glad that such beliefs still remain on our forum. So not all is lost. Although more often on the network you will meet the opposite opinion.
      3. +1
        21 February 2013 13: 39
        An honest person cannot be bought, but it can be sold.
  6. +20
    18 February 2013 09: 56
    quote-Art that made you think ... Art that skillfully touches the soul ... And they taught to create this art so that the author’s professionalism was rarely doubted.

    Soviet directors. screenwriters and actors put their soul into the creation of documentary and animated films, unlike the West, where everything rested on the bulk of the loot. Of course, there were exceptions such luminaries as Marcello Mastroianni and others.

    quote-The very existence of the USSR, as it were, spurred the West to what was needed literally dig the ground to be able in a social and humanitarian environment compete with this state, with this conglomeration of cultures that did not cross out, but very harmoniously complemented each other. good

    Bravo Alex!!! That's it, digging the ground in order to compete. Brilliantly written. The uniqueness and richness of literature, the film industry and culture lay precisely in the multinationality of the Soviet people. Let's remember where else on the planet in one state so many nationalities and peoples lived. Yes, nowhere!

    And lastly, in conclusion, I would like to emphasize such an aspect as purely psychological, yes, yes psychological. The United States had fear in front of the Union, in the words of the respected Sparrow, at any moment they could get a tinsel. The expression "completely lost fear did not arise from scratch."
  7. anchonsha
    +11
    18 February 2013 10: 01
    The topic of the article is topical. We are gradually sliding into the purulent swamp of the corrupted Gayeuropa and this cannot be stopped unless it is done with tough administrative measures. Liberals of all stripes will scream with rage, with cries that they are clamping down on freedom of speech, the return of the 37th and so on. But we have to do it in order to survive. On TV, films are only about murders and violence, on the Internet it is even more unbridled, school education with a strong emphasis on material dependence and self-interest, without educating each student of his own self in society, significance for the state.
  8. +3
    18 February 2013 10: 06
    "......and Russia is only going to enter this swamp."
    Unfortunately, our leaders are constantly trying to catch up with Western systems, of course, cattle are easier to manage .......
  9. Kaa
    +2
    18 February 2013 10: 07
    And what can the West offer in principle? There, even at Christmas, Santa Claus and Christian symbols are abandoned in favor of bestiality. "A dog named Bo, the pet of President Barack Obama, eclipsed everyone at a festive reception at the residence of the head of state dedicated to the upcoming Christmas, and was appointed an unofficial symbol of the holiday. Obama's wife Michelle and Bo also conducted the first pre-holiday tour for journalists and guests, writes USA today.
    During the event, the dog, whose portraits were hung all over the White House, was in high spirits, looked very well-groomed and, while running, rang the bells attached to the collar put on him. The publication notes that images of Bo have indeed been placed everywhere - from Christmas tree decorations to holiday sweets for children. In one of the halls of the presidential residence, they even placed a huge statue of an animal with a Christmas cap on its head (not counting the numerous life-size copies). It was the dog, by all accounts, that became the main character of the evening. 2012/11/29/1086682.shtml What this will lead to - already Hunchback prophesied Six Iranian editions Keyhan (15.12), Iran (15.12), Resalat (15.12), Hamshahri (15.12), Khabar (15.12) and Jomhuri-ye Eslami (15.12) report on Mikhail Gorbachev's speech at the New Politics Forum conference dedicated to the problems of the Middle East. The words of the former Soviet leader are quoted that the United States made a big mistake by starting a war in Afghanistan, and the sad fate of the Soviet Union awaits them. Gorbachev's point of view is also noted that in Soviet Russia the Bolsheviks fought against religion and, in particular, against Muslim values, subsequently the protection of religious shrines became one of the weapons of the Cold War.: http://www.inosmi.ru/overview/ 20121218/203489970.html#ixzz2LE9G1B1j
    1. +3
      18 February 2013 11: 21
      The USSR did not really fight the Muslim values ​​of the USSR. I can say this for sure, because since childhood I saw how they went to the mosque and no one forbade them from doing this.
      1. +4
        18 February 2013 13: 05
        My parents went to church in the 70s - 80s and no one forbade them. I want to emphasize that in those years, Muslims and Christians were more tolerant of each other. According to the grandfather, who lived in the Mary region in the mid-50s, the kids slipped a pig in a bag into the mosque, just for fun. Well, they laughed, grandfather took the pig. They found these rascals, kicked their ears, and it seems that they scrubbed the floors in the Mosque for a week. That's all. I can't imagine what would now be inflated from this.
  10. +2
    18 February 2013 10: 09
    The West has always boasted of its democracy, which has already been blown away. Their power is now under the Freemasons, and they do not care about the people.
    1. +4
      18 February 2013 10: 48
      I think we ourselves have not gone far from them. We boast while alive that generation that was born in the Union. What will happen in the future is scary to imagine.
      1. +4
        18 February 2013 13: 21
        There are still honest people in Russia anyway.
        1. 0
          18 February 2013 21: 35
          I support you Albert! Yes, not "still exist" (what is so uncertain!), But the main population of small, and not very, cities of Western Russia, those who can simply quit their jobs, refusing to help the thieving bosses, who at the same time sing anathema to Putin. There are many honest people in Russia, and it is based on them!
  11. +8
    18 February 2013 10: 27
    The historical dispute between socialism and capitalism is clearly not yet over.
    Even American economists argue that by the 50s of the 21st century, the social and economic ideas of socialism will be in demand in the United States.
    In the USSR, everything was not as bad as the crapcrats and liberals paint it!
    1. sergeybulkin
      +4
      18 February 2013 15: 06
      The historic dispute between capitolism and socialism is just beginning! The USSR was only a test of strength! angry
      1. +5
        18 February 2013 16: 05
        Quote: sergeybulkin
        The historic dispute between capitolism and socialism is just beginning! The USSR was only a test of strength!


        I agree, victory will be ours!
      2. krisostomus
        -1
        19 February 2013 14: 57
        The fact that the dispute between socialism and capitalism has not ended is what you correctly noticed. The world is gradually moving towards this, and the Scandinavian countries are an example of this. But what did the USSR have to do with scientific socialism? It was an ugly offspring of Bolshevism, when they tried to change the laws of the natural development of society, nature, the economy and the psychology of people with impudence and voluntaristic approaches. It did not work and the result is known.
        The democracy proclaimed at the "dawn of socialism" was replaced by the power of the partyocracy with "robots" selected by the party bodies in the Councils of all levels, who can only raise their hands and read the texts prepared in the party bodies with "approvals". Factories, factories and land instead of the people in full and inseparable order received "parthozaktiv", which after 1991 and "registered" it already in its ownership. Nature was almost brought to an ecological catastrophe. And the economy, focused mainly on the military-industrial complex and more than modest domestic consumption and the "camp of socialism", which receives everything practically for nothing or in exchange for "green peas" - turned out to be simply uncompetitive and died everywhere. The community "Soviet people" turned out to be a propaganda fiction and arranged such bloody interethnic and gangster-criminal showdowns in the post-Soviet space that the Wild West never dreamed of.
        If someone wants to believe that this "community", with the most seemingly advanced education system in the world, is an example to follow and an alternative to Western "flawed" culture in several generations, over the five years of the rule of "enemies of the people" and "traitor Gorbachev" were able to turn into a herd of wild animals with an irrepressible desire for money-grubbing on everything and everyone - this is his right, but does not explain what happened to the psychology of the people.
        1. +2
          20 February 2013 01: 54
          Quote: krisostomus
          But what did the USSR have to do with scientific socialism?


          How old are you?


          Quote: krisostomus
          It was an ugly offspring of Bolshevism, when they tried to change the laws of the natural development of society, nature, the economy and the psychology of people with impudence and voluntaristic approaches. It did not work and the result is known.


          The result of capitalism we see now! Millions of unemployed, starving to death and killed in wars, unleashed for the sake of enriching a handful of snickering swallows.
  12. +13
    18 February 2013 10: 30
    Quote: Frigate
    It is a pity that the modern Russian multmotograph AND KINOMOTOGRAPH leave much to be desired with longing for the films of the USSR of 1960-70.

    Soviet cartoons were indeed the best in the world. And the Fox Kids and Nickolodeon channels should be banned altogether!
    1. Frigate
      +5
      18 February 2013 10: 39
      Quote: Nomad
      Soviet cartoons were indeed the best in the world. And the Fox Kids and Nickolodeon channels should be banned altogether!

      My niece has seen the American version of Winnie the Pooh and she asks me: "Do they really think that such a cartoon can be watched"

      in the 90s, I remember how Western cartoons were shown on Russian channels: Hey Arnold, for example, is also a good cartoon. But now, of course, from FOX KIDS and NICKELODEOON, everything is killed by a childish worldview.
      And it’s even scarier that recently such cartoons began to be shown in Kazakhstan.
      1. +4
        18 February 2013 12: 21
        My son did not want to watch the American version at all, he constantly watched ours (and in very poor quality), I had to buy it in good quality, so I agree.
    2. djon3volta
      +6
      18 February 2013 11: 08
      Quote: Nomad
      Fox Kids and Nickolodeon

      for example, I didn’t specifically set up such channels as TNT, STS and Nickolodeon in my TV, when scrolling through the channels they just don’t come across, they aren’t in the menu, I did it on purpose wassat and the first button I have is not ORT like many others.
      1. Frigate
        +1
        18 February 2013 11: 16
        Quote: djon3volta
        TNT, STS and Nickolodeon, when scrolling through channels, they simply don’t come across, they are not on the menu, I did it on purpose and I don’t have the first button like many ORT.

        Yes, there is little to learn from these channels. xRENTv, mentv, TV3 thousand. On ORT, only KVN can be looked at, and even then not very good steel issues.
      2. +5
        18 February 2013 20: 56
        Quote: djon3volta
        for example, I didn’t specifically set up such channels as TNT, STS and Nickolodeon in my TV


        zombie is evil!!!
  13. +4
    18 February 2013 10: 32
    And on the contrary, it seems to me that Russia has changed its mind and is no longer copying the West, for it realized that this shit is in a beautiful wrapper.
    1. vladsolo56
      +5
      18 February 2013 10: 35
      Changed your mind? didn't notice here. Look at what we have on TV, completely copying Western shows and series. even films and cartoons for children are being churned out according to American patterns, it has become so disgusting to watch that I almost don’t watch TV.
      1. +4
        18 February 2013 10: 52
        Yeah, and "Well, wait a minute" can not be shown. There you see the wolf smokes. And Disney cartoons where explicit violence is please.
      2. +3
        18 February 2013 10: 53
        Thinking not so-called elite, people changed their minds. People raise their children and grandchildren not in Soviet cartoons and in Soviet cinema. Soviet books are also not forgotten.
      3. +1
        18 February 2013 12: 23
        So it's by inertia, it seems to me that OBZ can happen laughing (very quickly tie), and this is stress. But still, the tendency of confrontation is on the face.
      4. 0
        18 February 2013 20: 16
        vladsolo56,
        Well, the media have been sold specifically, the oligarchs are naturally corrupt and shameless, they don’t care about their homeland. Rather, it is necessary to create public broadcasting.
      5. 0
        18 February 2013 22: 38
        Vladimir, why be surprised. Look in whose hands the media is and everything will become clear. As for Western culture, it simply does not exist as such. We are the bearers of spirituality, and the Spirit of Slavism is indestructible!
        1. +4
          18 February 2013 22: 59
          Quote: knn54
          .As for Western culture, it simply does not exist as such.


          we disagree No.


          Quote: knn54
          .We are the bearers of spirituality, and the Spirit of the Slavs is indestructible!


          I’m certainly one of the most stubborn imperialist chauvinists, but even I shy away from hearing the statements about the God-chosen people and the homeland of the elephants.
          I have enough with the head of eternal bans on Ukrainian resources with their ancient Ukrainians.
          1. +2
            19 February 2013 13: 01
            Dear Karlson, By culture, I mean the following "Culture is the practical implementation of universal and spiritual values" And you?
            And where did I talk about the chosenness of God ukrov? We are talking about the SLAVES.
            And I remain an internationalist (not a chauvinist), so I was brought up.
            1. 0
              20 February 2013 01: 55
              You did not understand me.
          2. krisostomus
            -1
            19 February 2013 16: 01
            This is the "spirit" of which Slavs do you mean and what do you mean by "spirit"? Poles and Slavs are kind of like Slavs, but the whole history of the relationship is like that of a cat with a dog. Ukraine is not much better. Most of the Slavic peoples have long been in the EU and NATO.
            1. +2
              21 February 2013 13: 36
              To live, to do something not for one's own sake, but for one's own sake and for the good of all. To understand each other, not with the tongue but with the heart, And this is the strength of our Slavic family.
              On November 22, at a meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Commission in Prague, an action plan and a plan of goals for 2003 were adopted. The crusade against the eastern SLAVES and the final capitulation of the western part of the Slavic world began.
  14. sergeybulkin
    +2
    18 February 2013 10: 42
    good Good article, I didn't even think about it.
    And such a cool thought crossed my mind: the bourgeois Western countries, in their unsuccessful struggle with internal problems, are exactly like a dog that, in a fit of impotent rage, bites its own tail, because there is no one else to bite ...
  15. +1
    18 February 2013 10: 43
    In general, art is immortal. You can forget to stigmatize it and not understand it, but time has no power over real art.
  16. bdolah
    0
    18 February 2013 10: 45
    Quote: Cartoon
    One sided opinion. We should ask ourselves - since everything was so rosy in the USSR, why did it fall apart?

    You are on the Internet, type in a search engine a request for a memorandum from Dulles to Eisenhower, this is exactly the plan for the collapse of the USSR developed for decades to come, read it. And so the question is kind of provocative ..
    1. +2
      18 February 2013 10: 53
      What are their plans for Russia? So far, somehow it is not possible for them to break into principalities.
      1. bdolah
        +2
        18 February 2013 11: 23
        Yes, the plans are the same, and here it is WE should not allow
        1. +4
          18 February 2013 13: 29
          They give two unbeaten for one beaten. It is unlikely that now the West will again give a ride to the scenario that it used during the collapse of the Union. We have already developed "immunity" to "Western democracy" (contagion).
          1. sergeybulkin
            +2
            18 February 2013 14: 19
            "For one beaten they give two not beaten" we are, alas, beaten ... But everything that does not kill us makes us stronger ... tested on ourselves ... tongue
      2. +2
        18 February 2013 20: 29
        Quote: Renat

        What are their plans for Russia?

        HERE is the headline of the news from today's email - "The government has prepared a document regulating the collection of fees for education"
        How can they not understand that it is not necessary to take a fee but to PAY for education that Russia should develop !!!! Education is the future there is no education there is no future!
  17. +9
    18 February 2013 10: 51
    only in the USSR they made films about working people, about miners, about scientists, about steel workers, and they were interesting and infected with the desire to work. And what kind of films are they, the same police and bandits, especially on NTV .. And if you look at RenTV, fairy tales are often told, although to be honest it’s interesting smile ...
    1. +10
      18 February 2013 10: 59
      Quote: Forget
      And if you look at RenTV, fairy tales are often told, although to be honest it’s interesting

      RenTV is certainly something! They carry a blizzard and do not blush. Meanwhile, there are so many real and interesting topics for popular science programs, but it seems easier for them to write. I remember the phrase about the European aristocracy, they supposedly have white skin through which blue veins shine through, this is because they have blue blood, because they come from extraterrestrial reptilians! I also have white skin, through which blue veins show through in places, so I'm also a reptilian alien!? laughing
      1. Frigate
        +1
        18 February 2013 11: 18
        Quote: Nomad
        RenTV is certainly something! They carry a blizzard and do not blush.


        http://lurkmore.to/Рен_тв
        1. bezumnyiPIT
          +3
          18 February 2013 12: 18
          Lurk is a very useful resource good
          1. Frigate
            0
            18 February 2013 13: 46
            Quote: bezumnyiPIT

            Lurk is a very useful resource

            I would say useful thought navigator
      2. bdolah
        0
        18 February 2013 11: 22
        Yep, octopuses...
      3. +4
        18 February 2013 11: 34
        RenTV is a channel about the Western!!! Watched their nonsense and laughed. But when the host of the "military secret" program in one of the programs accused G.K. Zhukov of stupid stupidity and unjustified sacrifices of soldiers, I wanted to kill him !!! And for the one who put it on the air!
        1. +5
          18 February 2013 16: 09
          Quote: Hamsin
          But when the host of the "military secret" program in one of the programs accused G.K. Zhukov of stupid stupidity and unjustified sacrifices of soldiers, I wanted to kill him !!! And for the one who put it on the air!


          laughing
      4. walter_rus
        +1
        19 February 2013 21: 26
        He spoke, wringing his hands, rattling and balamut
        On the impotence of science before the mystery of Bermuda wassat
      5. walter_rus
        0
        20 February 2013 15: 14
        If RenTV is a pro-Western channel, then at least they sometimes tell the truth (this is NOT about aliens), and thanks for that, but on other channels - silence and grace, only "someone here and there sometimes," but what's going on in the country all the time - they don't want to see it.
    2. sergeybulkin
      +2
      18 February 2013 11: 10
      Well, the USSR is full of complete nonsense filmed (to put it mildly), filmed for purely propaganda purposes.
      We still make good films.
      It’s easy and cheap to shoot gangster fighters, TV shows, and they rivet them a day in a series. A serious film is expensive, long, requires talent.
      And Hollywood has been shot full of sincere good films, and there are quite a few wonderful cartoons. For example, in Hollywood studios, about a thousand pictures are shot a year, but no one will look at most of them, because it sucks and immediately goes to the dump.
      1. Che
        Che
        +2
        18 February 2013 14: 01
        sergeybulkin,
        The old Hollywood movies are good, but the modern ones are action-packed shit.
        1. sergeybulkin
          +3
          18 February 2013 14: 42
          A very good popular science channel "discovery", by the way, ours will learn from them. Previously, we had "obvious - incredible" where Sergey Petrovich Kapitsa was the leader, and now there is only one "galileo" left ... well, at least something ...
          1. 0
            18 February 2013 15: 37
            From our channels - "My Planet", "Science 2.0".
            On Discovery, sometimes, in films about history (especially about WW2, the confrontation between the USSR and the West), there is a propaganda component.
        2. walter_rus
          +1
          19 February 2013 21: 37
          For example, "300 Spartans" is an old one - a really historical film, and a new one - some kind of nightmare. I really liked Enemy at the Gates. The authors were able to do without hatred for the USSR. But our new films about the war cannot be made without the "bloody NKVD", this is already some kind of paranoia. Of the domestic ones, "Servant of the Sovereigns" was a good success, I generally like historical films.
      2. figvamforever
        +1
        18 February 2013 15: 55
        Quote: sergeybulkin
        And Hollywood has been shot full of sincere good films, and there are quite a few wonderful cartoons. For example, in Hollywood studios, about a thousand pictures are shot a year, but no one will look at most of them, because it sucks and immediately goes to the dump.

        In the US, it's not easy to make money from bad movies. The people are also not a fool to pay money for obscenity.
        Also, all films that are currently being released in the United States receive one of five ratings: G, PG, PG-13, R, NC-17. Pictures not rated by the Motion Picture Association of America usually use the NR (Not Rated) designation. It is worth noting that the designation U and NR are not officially accepted ratings.

        - Rating G (General audiences) means that the film is shown without restrictions. Pictures that receive this rating are intended for a general audience. That is, spectators of different ages are allowed. Typically, the G rating is given to classic family comedies, adaptations of fairy tales and cartoons.

        - PG rating (Parental guidance suggested). Such films can be watched by children only in the presence of parents or after their permission.

        - Rating PG-13 (Parents strongly cautioned) - films not for children under 13 years. Since, they have scenes that do not need to be shown at such an early age.

        - Rating R (Restricted) means that the film can be viewed by teenagers under 17, but only with parents or legal guardians.

        - NC-17 rating (similar to the previous X rating). The main restriction is that persons under the age of 17 are not allowed to see the film.

        Now guess what the main audience is, who goes to movie theaters? Children are teenagers and youth. But there is no viewer, no profit. In the states, it doesn’t get much to hire.
        Therefore, the bulk of the rubbish is bought up by third world countries, where they look at it through their fingers.
        1. +2
          18 February 2013 17: 04
          Quote from figvamforever
          But if there is no viewer, there is no profit. In the states, this is rarely available for hire.
          Therefore, the bulk of the rubbish is bought up by third world countries, where they look at it through their fingers.


          ...Walt Disney president Rich Ross resigned a month after John Carter became one of the company's biggest failures.

          "I no longer believe I'm capable of playing the role of president," he wrote in an email explaining his reasons for leaving.

          Ross worked for the company for 15 years, and became the head of Walt Disney Studios in October 2009.

          As head of the Disney studio, 50-year-old Rich Ross approved the production of a fantasy film "John Carter" based on the novel by Edgar Burroughs, which cost $ 250 million. The film not only did not pay off, but also caused a loss of $ 200 million.

          After the arrival of Ross, the studio repeatedly suffered losses: the films "Prince of Persia", "The Sorcerer's Apprentice", "Prom" and even "Winnie the Pooh" turned out to be failures.

          At the beginning of his presidency, Ross cut costs and put on hold a number of projects that he did not consider important for the Disney brand: he sold the Miramax label to outside investors, he froze the production of films such as 20 Leagues Under the Sea and Real Hogs 2. ..

          evano as it happens and not even in third world countries wink
          1. walter_rus
            0
            19 February 2013 21: 46
            After watching "John Carter" and "Prince of Persia" and many others, I was convinced that apart from special effects, there is nothing in them. And in general, if a film is made based on a computer game, then there is a crisis of the genre. If there is no viewer, there is no profit, this does not mean that good films will automatically go. More and more, they are churning out consumer goods, in the hope of overtaking competitors and that the next film will still "hit the bull's-eye".
      3. +2
        18 February 2013 16: 45
        Quote: sergeybulkin
        Well, the USSR is full of complete nonsense filmed (to put it mildly), filmed for purely propaganda purposes.


        if we do not shoot our own propaganda films, then someone else's propaganda fills the niche and, as a result, we have a loss in the battle "for minds and hearts" in the information war.

        What exactly is wrong with this movie?
    3. sergeybulkin
      0
      18 February 2013 15: 23
      And here the desire to work, just human people showed themselves to be real people ...
  18. +4
    18 February 2013 11: 02
    Quote: stas
    The historical dispute between socialism and capitalism is clearly not over yet. Even American economists argue that by the 50s of the 21st century, the social and economic ideas of socialism will be in demand in the United States.

    Not by the 50s, but probably even earlier, and not only in the USA. On this score, M. Khazin wrote a lot and interestingly, "Theory of global projects", I advise you to read.
  19. Sleptsoff
    +1
    18 February 2013 11: 31
    It is enough to watch videos from Chelyabinsk after the meteorite fall to understand at what level of cultural development Russia is.
    1. +1
      18 February 2013 15: 52
      But the Americans wrote that some kind of meteorite in Siberia was filmed from all angles, and no one filmed one plane falling on the Pentagon in the USA.
      Yes, and comments in the United States on such a phenomenon would also contain well-known "folk" expressions - holy shit, what the fuck, fucking shit.
      1. Sleptsoff
        +2
        18 February 2013 17: 54
        Yes, I do not care how things are with the culture in the United States, they also found a standard for me. I am excited about the changes that are taking place in my country.
        1. +1
          18 February 2013 18: 17
          Quote from Sleptsoff
          Yes, I do not care how things are with the culture in the United States


          it's so awkward wassat
  20. +2
    18 February 2013 11: 56
    Quote: Cartoon
    One sided opinion. We should ask ourselves - since everything was so rosy in the USSR, why did it fall apart?

    A minus from me. Where in the article about the fact that everything was rosy in the USSR. Although in my opinion, a person who was 26 years old at the time of the collapse of the USSR, almost everything was rosy there, except for the last years of perestroika. But perestroika is no longer socialism.

    Quote: Cartoon
    One sided opinion. We should ask ourselves - since everything was so rosy in the USSR, why did it fall apart?

    A minus from me. Where in the article about the fact that everything was rosy in the USSR. Although in my opinion, a person who was 26 years old at the time of the collapse of the USSR, almost everything was rosy there, except for the last years of perestroika. But perestroika is no longer socialism.
  21. +5
    18 February 2013 12: 02
    Here I have been living for more than 15 years in Australia, which, although not quite in the West in relation to the author of the article, apparently has something to do with him, the West. I have not observed any moral and social collapse in all these years. Yes, changes are taking place here and not always for the better, but they are somehow weakly connected with the presence or absence of the USSR. In terms of morality, too, not everything is simple and unambiguous. The people here are harsh. life is not easy, but when there are some natural disasters, of which there are more than here, these harsh people do not hesitate and share the latest with the victims without too much fuss.
    1. +2
      18 February 2013 12: 32
      Be sure to read the book by S.N. Lazarev "Diagnostics of karma". And don't let the name fool you. He writes very correct things there.
      "The strategic resources of spirituality are now almost completely used up, and life adds new portions of aggression every day. The level of aggression in Western art is especially high. Even harmless, at first glance, cartoons, for the most part contain programs of violence, and which exacerbates the danger, in a soft, elegant " packaging. "Information that causes positive emotions passes into the subconscious without hindrance, takes root deeply and remains for a very long time ..." and then a brilliant analysis of the levels of conscious and subconscious aggression in American and Soviet films and cartoons. Such "work" from the West began almost immediately after the war, but we are reaping its results now! The subconscious worked, for which it was calculated!
    2. sergeybulkin
      +1
      18 February 2013 14: 25
      You are still on the other side of the ball, and I envy you in some ways ... Say hello to our ...
    3. +2
      19 February 2013 00: 25
      Sorry, I don't agree.
      Here, the loss of pressure from the USSR was very much felt, not immediately, of course. The trade unions are sluggish, the youth, the main bearer of radical (or simply other) ideas, has become lazy, the working class has been liquidated (as a class!)
      Alternative ideology, philosophy, politics simply do not exist.
      Sorry for selfishness, but the stronger and sooner Russia will recover on the basis of the SPIRITUAL base of Old Russia and the USSR, the better it will be for all normal people in the West.
  22. kukuruzo
    +2
    18 February 2013 12: 44
    it could no longer exist in its form, and modernization for the new time, such as China, for example, was not planned, it had to happen ... the most offensive is not that it collapsed the Union. But the fact that they stole everything, gold, the best scientific minds, self-consciousness people, staged separatism in all the republics ... and the traitors were in the Kremlin itself, this is a shame ... it was possible to save a lot and recreate the new Empire
  23. wax
    +5
    18 February 2013 12: 53
    Having eliminated the horror story in the form of a socialist state, capitalism is returning to its fundamental vices associated with the hypertrophied role of money. Karma.
  24. +4
    18 February 2013 13: 11
    Once I read the words of Alexy II. They fit this article very well. "... We thought that they had fallen to a pure source of freedom, but it turned out that they had stuck to a sewer pipe .."
  25. +1
    18 February 2013 14: 41
    I wonder if the coincidence of the economic, cultural and moral crisis of Western civilization is an accident? what
  26. sergeybulkin
    +1
    18 February 2013 14: 50
    All this television, radio, advertising... It's all temporary... It will pass... Like a childhood illness... You can't change Russians in Russia, that's why we are strong! good
  27. pomik80
    +2
    18 February 2013 15: 14
    Let me disagree with the opinion of sergeybulkin. Now the Russians are no longer the same as they were in the Union. I'm not saying it's worse, just DON'T. and God forbid that they do not become worse due to reforms in education.
  28. figvamforever
    +1
    18 February 2013 15: 44
    Quote: vladsolo56
    then he told you that he fell apart. countries and empires do not fall apart on their own, they usually fall apart, why? so even a schoolboy knows the struggle for power. A fable for the naive is that the type of the USSR was not viable. If he was such, then the USSR would have lost the war with Hitler. But viable France merged in a couple of weeks, not to mention other viable entities.


    With all due respect, I disagree. Well, who, tell me, ruined the Roman Empire. Savage Germans in skins? The time has come, collapsed from the inside. Well, how much could you fight for the whims of the emperor. The power was torn away from the people, the people did not receive the truth, well, they cooled down to their system. And Rome won a lot of victories in its history. When power is supported by the people, then there are victories. And when relations between the government and the people are cool, then the system can collapse.
    1. vladsolo56
      +2
      18 February 2013 16: 02
      Rome, like any other empire, rested on the emperor and those who support him, i.e. on power. So, when power begins to disintegrate, and this has happened in all empires, then the empire also disintegrated. Disagreements in power are what destroy an empire (any) and the stronger the disagreement, the faster the decay occurs. So the more liberalism, the more willing to snatch a piece. Gorbachev greatly weakened the central government, and paid too little attention to the authorities in the regions, and this is the result. You can not transfer too much power to the regions, the only way to keep any empire in unity.
  29. figvamforever
    -1
    18 February 2013 16: 15
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Disagreements in power are what destroy an empire (any) and the stronger the disagreement, the faster the decay occurs.


    Not always. Disagreements can lead to the development of more optimal solutions, the lack of compromise can radicalize the government.

    Quote: vladsolo56
    So the more liberalism, the more willing to snatch a piece.

    Only in the absence of a system of equitable distribution and the non-participation of the people in controlling this.

    Quote: vladsolo56
    Gorbachev greatly weakened the central government, and paid too little attention to the authorities in the regions, and this is the result. You can not transfer too much power to the regions, the only way to keep any empire in unity.


    I agree here. But the USSR was from the essence of the device the Federation.

    I personally am always for a unitary state. Less hassle and controversy.
  30. zmey
    +2
    18 February 2013 16: 18
    The fact that the "west" played with tolerant pedorasty, and the protection of all kinds of "rights" is an indisputable fact. But when the "rights" of one side are protected by such methods, the "rights" of the other side are automatically infringed. In my opinion, now "in the West" the final round of the struggle between tolerance and common sense is taking place, and tolerance is winning.
    about our television: NTV and TNT and the final program with Mariana Maksimovskaya on RenTV are waging a psychological (information) war against the population of Russia under the pretext "the people should know this!" those. "democratic values" to freedom of information.
    why the hell do I need to know - at what resort and in what position Volochkova fucked Baskov (or didn’t fuck)!??? Why the hell are they telling me this and showing it to me????? at least it is not decent, not ethical and not decent. they tell me "if you don't want to, don't watch it's your democratic choice!" yes, what is the choice? when on all channels they say this with a frequency of 30 minutes! Yes, and offer to listen to the discussion of this topic! utter rubbish and rubbish!!
    By the way, in the "Disney" version of Winnie the Pooh, a beast and a bourgeoisie who only thinks how to eat!
  31. +3
    18 February 2013 17: 38
    I completely agree about Volochkova. Yes, and other stars too. But a generation has already grown up that is interested in this. Horror!
  32. figvamforever
    +1
    18 February 2013 18: 00
    Quote: Karlsonn
    ...Walt Disney President Rich Ross resigned a month after John Carter became one of the company's biggest flops. "I no longer believe I can play president," he wrote in an email a letter about the reasons for his departure. Ross worked for the company for 15 years, and became the head of Walt Disney Studios in October 2009. Having headed the Disney studio, 50-year-old Rich Ross approved the production of the science fiction film "John Carter" based on the novel by Edgar Burroughs, which cost $ 250 million. The film not only did not pay off, but also brought losses of $ 200 million. After the arrival of Ross, the studio repeatedly suffered losses: the films turned out to be failures ". At the beginning of his presidency, Ross cut costs and suspended the implementation of a number of projects that he did not consider important for the Disney brand: he sold the Miramax label to external investors, froze the production of films such as 20 Leagues Under the Sea and Real Hogs 2 ... evano as it happens and not even in third world countries

    The film industry is a commercial enterprise. There are both failures and successes. But "Prince of Persia", "The Sorcerer's Apprentice", "Prom" and even "Winnie the Pooh" are not bad films, they are not bad. This is not "American Pie" in all its blackness.
    1. +5
      18 February 2013 18: 32
      Quote from figvamforever
      The film industry is a commercial enterprise.


      Oh really ?




      Quote from figvamforever
      But "Prince of Persia", "The Sorcerer's Apprentice", "Prom" and even "Winnie the Pooh" are not bad films, they are not bad.


      wave without looking at:


  33. borz68
    +3
    18 February 2013 18: 02
    Yes, as of 1991, the Soviet Union did not lag behind the West in all basic science tricks. And in many the West overtook
    1. 0
      18 February 2013 18: 48
      Quote from: borz68
      Yes, as of 1991, the Soviet Union did not lag behind the West in all basic science tricks. And in many the West overtook


      the internal enemy is a hundred times worse than the external.
  34. figvamforever
    -1
    18 February 2013 18: 48
    Quote from: borz68
    Oh really ?

    Well, where is the non-commercial Soviet film industry? Reposed in the god. And 100% commercial Hollywood is still breathing.
    You have good taste. But the Americans shoot primarily for themselves. And we owe it to ourselves. And not for public money.
    1. +2
      18 February 2013 21: 02
      Quote from figvamforever
      Well, where is the non-commercial Soviet film industry? Reposed in the god. And 100% commercial Hollywood is still breathing.


      well, let's turn around the corner --- such large-scale scenes, with the participation of thousands of extras, as the Chinese cinema is filming today in Hollywood, have not been filmed for thirty years.


      Quote from figvamforever
      But the Americans shoot primarily for themselves. And we owe it to ourselves.


      I agree.


      Quote from figvamforever
      And not for public money.


      I propose to give me a Mauser, a license to shoot and put it under control of the issuance of budget money for cinema in Russia bully I won’t take a penny myself, and like Migalkov I’ll arrange a sky with a sheepskin am .
  35. borz68
    +2
    18 February 2013 19: 04
    Disagree completely!!! The Soviet education system made it possible for any person, regardless of the status of their parents and their financial condition, to a smart child to get an education. The very system of the country made it possible for self-improvement and pushed the most capable to the top. Now it's the other way around. Gifted children do not have the opportunity to learn. and learn those who have money, not brains. And the worst thing is that this is a road to nowhere! This is the path of degradation along which the West has already passed, and now we have rushed there.
    Yes, there were universities in which you had to pay. The same legal or medical institutes (but not all) But this did not apply to the basic branches of science! Those who move the progress of humanity as a whole! I am a physicist by training. In our stream, about 70% of the guys were from remote villages. And now?
  36. +8
    18 February 2013 19: 14
    Hello everyone .
    In my opinion, we lost the battle, but not the war. And everything is ahead of us.
    1. 0
      23 February 2013 22: 29
      Surprise will ensure the strength of the army and the spirit of the people.
  37. -1
    18 February 2013 20: 16
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!eleven
    1. +3
      18 February 2013 21: 04
      Quote from lemal
      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!eleven


      in our penates does not channel wink
      1. Kaa
        +3
        18 February 2013 21: 11
        Quote: Karlsonn
        in our penates does not channel

        But the Lithuanians didn’t think of it ... the mayor let the last beter into this business ...
        1. +2
          18 February 2013 22: 04
          Quote: Kaa
          But the Lithuanians didn’t think of it ... the mayor let the last beter into this business ...


          laughing I have a special relationship with the Baltic States:

          - how many letters "l" in the name of the city of Tallinn?
          - none!
          - Why?
          - because this city is called - Revel!!!
          1. Kaa
            +2
            19 February 2013 00: 40
            Quote: Karlsonn
            Karlsonn

            In Bulgakov's description of Kyiv in 1918, there is a dialogue "How would a cat be in Ukrainian?" - Kit.
            And what about the whale then? - But you won’t, because there aren’t any creatures in Ukraine ... " laughing
            1. +2
              19 February 2013 01: 02
              Quote: Kaa
              In Bulgakov's description of Kyiv in 1918, there is a dialogue "How would a cat be in Ukrainian?" - Kit.


              you still don't know the story with the word "helicopter" laughing
              1. Kaa
                +1
                19 February 2013 02: 15
                Quote: Karlsonn
                you still don't know the story with the word "helicopter"

                You offend, they tried on for a long time, and the helicopter, and the helicopter, and the propeller. And how do you like the official name of one intimate object - "natsyutsyurnik"? Or a pair of "peshohid = pavement", "yunak and yunka", "pihvoznavets = gynecologist", well, and the main male pride is "rod"? I have a 1991 Newspeak dictionary prepared and published by an expatriate in Canada. After the eleventh glass of tea, friends usually, in order to get hard, ask to read aloud - they go home like cucumbers, only the press from laughter in the morning gives strength ... laughing
                1. +1
                  19 February 2013 02: 55
                  Quote: Kaa
                  And how do you like the official name of one intimate object - "natsyutsyurnik"?


                  hey, don't be embarrassed!
                  I personally have a claim to the Ukrainian language:
                  - why the hell do I have a soft sign attached to my last name in my passport?
                  1. +2
                    19 February 2013 22: 56
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    Why the hell do I have a soft sign attached to my last name in my passport?

                    And Schaub you treated the current government more gently! feel
                    1. +2
                      20 February 2013 01: 57
                      Quote: Egoza
                      And Schaub you treated the current government more gently!


                      I really go under a criminal article under the Criminal Code of Ukraine.
                      1. Kaa
                        +4
                        20 February 2013 03: 11
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        I really go under a criminal article under the Criminal Code of Ukraine.

                        "An ambush will await us at the safe house, we will have to shoot back. I will give you a parabellum ...." laughing
  38. +1
    18 February 2013 20: 29
    The question, let's say at the level of mathematics ... when the West is bent, it is possible to count .. there are not many left and the Muslim part in the West prevails. in referendums ... and the world will change for the Western layman ... what the Nazis did will be an easy joke ... the word slave, for the old European it will be a way of life ... and everything will be according to the law ... the old Eupropa passed it .. only there is no Russian Empire now ... the USSR .... there will be no one to save their anuses. Perhaps such an attitude towards today's Russia, shit, from the hopelessness of one's life ... the clock is ticking inexorably ... and time does not work for old Europeans .Yes, and Muslims should develop atomic weapons, there is no need for fifteen years, so in fifteen years they will receive it without investing any labor and money ... they will only vote for the president of the Muslim persuasion in England ... well, or France, as you like. .. this is inexorable ... Only one thing upsets .... our government is going the same way.
  39. +3
    18 February 2013 20: 34
    I remember the middle, the end of 80. Literally everyone rushed about with glasnost pluralism, etc., etc. I remember my neighbor, an old man over 90 years old, I quote him verbatim, - “In 17, they also spoke incomprehensible words to us, everything ended in devastation and famine, and in the NEP all the Jews seized. Then Stalin put things in order a little and now my son will end the same way mark my words."
    1. +1
      18 February 2013 21: 43
      Oh how I agree with my grandfather! But how many people died during the experiments!
      1. +3
        18 February 2013 22: 18
        Quote: polly
        But how many people died during the experiments!


        according to the estimates of the most terrifying liberals, who took the trouble to study the documents under Stalin (for the entire period when he was in power), about 800 people were sentenced to capital punishment (a fairly large number of people had their sentence changed to serve their sentences, some were rehabilitated and released), approximately 000 people died while serving their sentences.
        But they will still believe Solzhenitsyn with his 60.
  40. +2
    18 February 2013 22: 51
    We did not lose, we took a break, and during the break, as you know, the coach will find the right words...
    1. +3
      18 February 2013 23: 08
      Quote: Watchman
      We didn't lose, we took a break


      if everyone starts from himself, from his house, from work, from his children, will not vote for all scum (Hitler then came to power in a democratic way) --- everything will be fine with us. Yes

      1. Komodo
        +2
        18 February 2013 23: 39
        I grew up with this song!! Strong stuff!! Thank you!
  41. mankurt
    +1
    18 February 2013 23: 36
    In LiveJournal, under the same post, young people wrote nonsense. "Inter-ethnic marriages are bad, so I will never marry a Ukrainian." You might think that Ukrainian women just lined up for this formidable Russian macho. Tremite me in two, more alone there is nothing ....
    “I will raise hypothetical children as Russians, and I will beat them with a belt for trying to Ukrainize.” He is going to torture his own "hypothetical children" and does not hesitate to talk about it out loud. And so on.
    And then the tantrums begin. No need for hysteria. In part, the assimilation of a very modest minority into the overwhelming national majority is natural and natural. In what part, how quickly, for what specific reasons - other questions can be discussed. Without wringing hands, screaming and spitting.
    1. Komodo
      0
      18 February 2013 23: 52
      Love , love .... You forgot, She doesn't care. She doesn't know what assimilation and interethnic marriages are. She don't care.
    2. +4
      19 February 2013 00: 20
      Quote: mankurt
      "Inter-ethnic marriages are bad, so I will never marry a Ukrainian."


      hug and cry, and how does a Ukrainian differ from a Russian?
      what should I do - a descendant of Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians, well, there are all sorts of Tatars wassat ?


      Quote: mankurt
      You might think that Ukrainian women just lined up for this formidable Russian macho


      in fact, everything goes like this:




      Quote: mankurt
      “I will raise hypothetical children as Russians, and I will beat them with a belt for trying to Ukrainize.” He is going to torture his own "hypothetical children" and does not hesitate to talk about it out loud. And so on.


      send these idiots to our hall laughing a couple of sparring sessions and we'll beat all the crap out of them, I guarantee. bully

      As for the idea of ​​"Ukraine", then as a chauvinist and imperialist I declare:
      - Ukrainians are an integral part of the Russian people, we are united in: blood, faith and origin. Actually the project "Ukraine" is just a soap ball.
      Naturally, I do not encroach on either the souvenirs of Ukraine or the right of self-determination of Ukrainians, I just know that sooner or later the peoples inhabiting Ukraine will be splashed with all these national-bourgeois dances and unification will happen as a historically necessary decision.


      Quote: mankurt
      Without wringing hands, screaming and spitting.


      Everything will be decided by the need to survive and preserve our common culture.

      but in general, if we follow the logic of division, I personally want (as a resident of the Troyeshchyna region) to announce the souvenirs of the area where I live, secession from Ukraine, the formation of an extremist communist state and my appointment as Sultan Pasha for life !!! bully
      Give the transformation of the right of self-determination into widespread separatism!!!!
      So what? There is the Vatican, there will be the Communist Sultanate of Troyeshchina. fellow
      1. Komodo
        +4
        19 February 2013 00: 35
        Comrade Emperor Sultan Pasha of the Communist Sultan of Troyeschina
        congratulations on gaining independence! hi
        1. +2
          19 February 2013 01: 05
          Komodo

          too early feel , but as the first to congratulate you, you are guaranteed to take the highest award of the KST. drinks with which I congratulate you.
  42. -2
    19 February 2013 00: 24
    Again an article - how bad everything is there, how the West is rotting and morally decomposing.
    It seems to me that there is a lot of superficiality in this. there are problems there, and there is a lot of bad, and there is enough filth. But also a lot of good. These are all their problems, let them solve it themselves. We would not lose ourselves.
    Let me tell you about education in the country. School education is not lost, and in my opinion it is even better than the Soviet system. Enormous money came to the modernization school and made the level of teaching an order of magnitude higher. The only thing that needs to be done is to eliminate the USE. And the level of young teachers coming to school has become very low.
    Higher education is really degraded. Universities have bred like dogs, programs are "nothing", no teaching, no one at the exit! And the opportunity for a student to enter a university -almost 100%- demotivates the student
    1. +1
      19 February 2013 01: 32
      Quote: Chen
      Again an article - how bad everything is there, how the West is rotting and morally decomposing.


      Expand us please how the West is awesome.


      Quote: Chen
      School education is not lost, and in my opinion it is even better than the Soviet system.


      at the time of graduation, I personally remembered the capitals of all countries of the world, drove to Poland and ask their schoolchildren what is the capital of Trinidad and Tobago called?
      and if you provide me with M-4, zinc cartridges and plates for body armor, I will be happy to take you to my favorite American city - Detroit (actually the body armor itself - without a plate I have) to find out from local schoolchildren when Columbus is America opened, by the way, the question on the merits:
      - Are you trained to shoot and maintain weapons? This is true for Detroit.

      the photo is not mine



      Quote: Chen
      Enormous money came to the school for modernization and made the level of teaching an order of magnitude higher.


      Oh really?
      Compare winked me the teachers of Soviet schools, I am the son of an officer - the bloody dog ​​of the regime - changed them periodically, in parting they gave me the right to enter any pedagogical institute on the territory of the former USSR without exams, the School of the Olympic Reserve gave me the honor to communicate with the best minds among athletes in the Far East who defended their dissertations --- please tell me about the level of teaching in modern schools, I'm looking forward to it ....
      1. Komodo
        0
        19 February 2013 01: 55
        These pid..s have failed another of our children..

        http://izvestia.ru/news/545199
        am
        1. +3
          19 February 2013 02: 17
          Quote: Komodo
          These pid..s have failed another of our children..


          already in the know, Dzerzhinsky is really missing!
          1. Kaa
            +2
            19 February 2013 02: 34
            Quote: Karlsonn
            Dzerzhinsky is really missing

            If it’s real, then Sudoplatova with Mercader and Eitingon ... and climbing equipment ...
            1. +4
              19 February 2013 02: 39
              Quote: Kaa
              If it's real, then Sudoplatova with Mercader and Eitingon ... and climbing equipment.

              Well, where can you get all the Sudoplatov bastards? piece goods good I wrote above about the unconvincingness of the current kui
              1. Kaa
                +1
                19 February 2013 03: 22
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Well, where can you get all the Sudoplatov bastards?

                1) "No, the Russian Land has not become poor with heroes"
                2) "I don't have Hindenburgs..."
                3) “When a country orders to be a hero, anyone became a hero in our country”
                The main thing is the mass and affordable equipment of a climber. bully
                1. +2
                  19 February 2013 03: 27
                  Quote: Kaa
                  The main thing is mass and affordable climber equipment

                  Judging by the number of deleted posts, not everyone shares this approach. request So the slogan is an ice ax to the masses! still up to date wassat
              2. +3
                19 February 2013 03: 31
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Well, where can you get all the Sudoplatov bastards?


                which window should i get in? Alpenstock already purchased. winked
                1. Kaa
                  +1
                  19 February 2013 03: 49
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  which window should i get in?

                  "In due time ... we will discuss this problem too ..."
                2. +3
                  19 February 2013 03: 51
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  which window should i get in?

                  And I’m still wondering what kind of general’s surname, and even from the bloody hell what laughing
                  1. +1
                    19 February 2013 04: 16
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    And I’m still wondering what kind of general’s surname, and even from the bloody hell


                    We don't burn down the house. wink
        2. Komodo
          0
          19 February 2013 02: 34
      2. Komodo
        0
        19 February 2013 02: 34
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        quot;http://www.youtube.com/embed/b7jJWIT2418"%20frameborder="0"%
        20allowfullscreen> ]
  43. 0
    19 February 2013 01: 59
    Do not worry about the West, it will find another enemy for itself - China, Iran, create another Al-Qaeda, and so on. You need to worry about Russia, which the West wants to finish off and clean up the land from the Slavs.
    1. Komodo
      0
      19 February 2013 02: 11
      About .... your West. The finisher hasn't grown yet. Now that his methods of "struggle" are known. It will not be possible to slash from the sly, when everyone treated him like a friend, and he was in the back. Most had no idea that the war was going on !!! Now everything, Khan to him. His own weapon...
      1. Komodo
        0
        19 February 2013 02: 33
        [media = http: //youtu.be/b7jJWIT2418]
      2. Komodo
        0
        19 February 2013 02: 40
        http://youtu.be/b7jJWIT2418
      3. 0
        19 February 2013 02: 59
        Quote: Komodo
        Now that his methods of "struggle" are known. It will not be possible to slash from the sly, when everyone treated him like a friend, and he was in the back. Most had no idea that the war was going on !!!


        as far as I understand, the discussion is useless, I personally say to most emigrants:
        - the wind in the back, without people like you - it will be easier for us to live.
        1. Komodo
          0
          19 February 2013 03: 04
          as far as I understand, the discussion is useless, I personally say to most emigrants:
          - the wind in the back, without people like you - it will be easier for us to live

          What was it??
          1. 0
            19 February 2013 03: 32
            Quote: Komodo
            What was it??


            people who are emigrating, I'm somehow not very No.
            1. Komodo
              0
              19 February 2013 03: 38
              Ah, I see. I am also an immigrant. From the former
              1. 0
                19 February 2013 04: 17
                Quote: Komodo
                I am also an immigrant. From the former


                it's like? belay
                1. Komodo
                  +1
                  19 February 2013 05: 15
                  . Left at 85. Returned at 00..
                  1. 0
                    20 February 2013 02: 01
                    Quote: Komodo
                    . Left at 85. Returned at 00..


                    drinks then it's all right.
    2. Komodo
      0
      19 February 2013 02: 30
      Roll on your mustache, Westerners
  44. Komodo
    0
    19 February 2013 02: 28
    [media = http: //youtu.be/b7jJWIT2418]
  45. wax
    +2
    19 February 2013 02: 40
    Dear compatriots, thinking and honest people of Russia!
    I, Olga Zinoviev, widow and custodian of the intellectual heritage of the Russian thinker Alexander Zinoviev, appeal to you.

    After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the largest geopolitical catastrophe of the XNUMXth century, as Alexander Zinoviev aptly called this drama, twenty years have passed.
    For 20 years our country has been, in his prophetic expression, a colonial democracy. The juices, the life force of Russia, are being sucked out drop by drop by those who aimed for communism, but ended up in Russia.
    During this time, the capital exported from Russia exceeded $3 trillion. This is a terrible amount. With this money, it would be possible to completely restore our vast country destroyed during the Great Patriotic War, the war against fascism, 5 times.
    ...
    An impoverished country with more than 20 million people who are starving, living below the poverty line, and which is decreasing by more than 1 million people every year, today Russia has entered the top 10 creditors of the United States.
    ...
    There has not been such a robbery of the Russian people since the time of the Tatar-Mongol yoke.
    ...
    We are slipped a surrogate agenda, forced to discuss secondary problems, trying to reorient our minds with distracting appeals and made-up slogans that sound terrible in the desolate villages of the deprived Russian hinterland.
    The people pay exorbitant colonial tribute, which is imposed on our country, enslaved by global capitalism.
    ...
    As the Man at all times said, Alexander Zinoviev is a prophet who returned to his homeland after the bombing of Serbia by NATO troops, ready to completely share the fate of his people:
    Live, go, act! Act - use all the intellectual possibilities you have.
    Be honest with yourself, with our country, with our Motherland. We are not indifferent to what is happening with Russia.
    The main force in the world is Truth.

    STOP FEEDING WALL STREET!

    Olga Zinovieva,
    Head of the Russian-Bavarian Research Center named after A.A. Zinoviev
    (RGTEU and the University of Augsburg), editor-in-chief of the ZINOVYEV magazine
    October 29, 2011, Moscow, Russia
    http://zinoviev.info/wps/archives/311
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  46. Komodo
    0
    19 February 2013 02: 45
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  47. Komodo
    +2
    19 February 2013 02: 52
    Wind on your mustache, "Westerners" am .
    1. +3
      19 February 2013 03: 38
      Quote: Komodo
      Wind on your mustache, "Westerners"


      I don't know, this is closer to me

  48. calculator
    +1
    19 February 2013 04: 20
    GRANDFATHER WANTED
  49. +1
    19 February 2013 16: 46
    Quote: atalef
    Well, both systems tried to ruin each other, the strongest just survived. And I do not understand the comments of the site's regulars - like the USSR, everything was great

    There is nothing perfect in the world. If the USSR had not been a highly promising and viable organism, no one would have invested frantic means in its destruction. The very fact of the existence of the Soviet Union forced world capitalism to lose ITS hard-earned money on social programs (how else can you keep the people under your influence?). Since the USSR cannot be overthrown in direct confrontation, they used their favorite weapon - the poison of lies and forgery. A global economic and ideological sabotage was carried out through the mean and greedy people in power, the media. Naturally, after the collapse of the SOVIET UNION, a global crisis began. The gentlemen of the WORLD BEHIND THE SCENES take off their masks and now the peoples of the West are beginning to feel the true face of capitalism. All social programs begin to shrink like shagreen leather. Simply, very soon the standard of living of the population in the USA in the 30s will become common to all capitalist countries.
    1. walter_rus
      +1
      20 February 2013 15: 34
      So why do we have petty and greedy little people in power? and the Americans did not find such? Or did we not have enough money to bribe their politicians? And isn't it too often - twice in the XNUMXth century - that a huge and powerful country falls apart? The main reason is the so-called. the elite is cut off from the people and does not care about ordinary people. So it was under the tsar, and under the communists, and now. If you are lucky with the leader - thank God, you are not lucky - write wasted. And the people cannot influence the leader - signs of the feudal system are still preserved, although it is called beautifully - democracy. In fact, any boss feels like a king only on a different scale, but he must feel that he depends on the people.
  50. +1
    22 February 2013 16: 38
    Why did such a good Soviet Union collapse?
    This is the main question of the history of the twentieth century and, as it seems, of every patriot of our country.

    The question is not simple and, most importantly. theoretically not developed.

    I lived in the USSR myself. He experienced a lot of displeasure at the appearance of the top leadership, but, by and large, he agreed that in the conditions of a hostile environment, neither Brezhnev nor Andropov could give the people ... allow the people ....

    He himself experienced negative emotions from contact with fellow citizens in everyday life, from the fact that there are not so many people in humanity, he was surprised, along with many, why they restrict the distribution (but do not prohibit) foreign music and literature, why they “fight” with empty talk dissidents.

    I also remember how I secretly photographed the ships of the Soviet Navy in Sevastopol, and was very sorry that not every Soviet person has access to this proud beauty ...

    Summing up the negative and the positive in the 1980s, I have no doubt an emotional preference for the sum of the positive.
    As for scientific preferences, everything is more complicated here.

    At the same time, he was sincerely convinced, and still has not changed this confidence, that changes in the state structure are necessary.
    The state must develop in accordance with the realities of the times.
    But to develop on a scientific basis, choosing evolutionary and revolutionary steps on a local and global scale according to the results of accurate calculations verified experimentally.
    It is fantastic. But having lived in the USSR, I believe in the possibility of managing society on a scientific (rather than speculative) basis.
    Democracy is not a vote on the distribution of goods, it is an allegory of inter-party struggle in bourgeois countries.
    Democracy is a way of surviving a society with as many personal freedoms as possible. But the list of what may relate to this list is the subject of scientific discussion.

    Now the main thing, with all my nostalgia for the USSR, I understand that in 1991 there was a step into the future.
    But here in 1993 - a step into the past.
    Now Russia, thanks to the former Soviet period, has the most complete experience in social construction.
    By the way, I should mention here that I consider the experience of a capitalist post-industrial society lasting 20 years to be quite sufficient.

    Summary.
    Russia is the most advanced country in the world in the field of social construction.
    When the social sciences are able to ensure the accuracy of forecasts at the level of physical experiments, or when the necessary and sufficient external and internal conditions develop, it is in Russia that the state of the future can be built - fair, equal, conscientious and caring.

    For those who don't understand, let me explain. You can hate communism with your eyes, but once you are in it, even you cannot refuse it.

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