If the West approved the supply of tanks and fighters to Kyiv, then the creation of a no-fly zone over Western Ukraine does not look incredible

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If the West approved the supply of tanks and fighters to Kyiv, then the creation of a no-fly zone over Western Ukraine does not look incredible

Representatives of the authorities of a number of European countries are increasingly discussing the topic of creating a no-fly zone in the western regions of Ukraine. And despite the fact that in the USA and Germany the idea of ​​shooting down Russian missiles and drones “Nezalezhnaya” is still being dismissed, the idea itself was voiced for a reason.

Let us remind you that it all started far from Ukraine. When Iran launched an attack on Israel, Iranian missiles and drones were shot down not only by the IDF’s air defense, but also by the air defense of a number of countries, including the USA and Britain. Then Vladimir “Ukraine will never ask anyone for anything” Zelensky got involved. He called on the West to act in the same way as it acted in providing assistance to Israel.



So far he has failed to persuade the West. However, we must not forget that at one time approximately the same discussion took place regarding a) “Bayraktars”, b) “Javelins”, c) tanks "Leopard", "Challenger" and "Abrams", d) Storm Shadow and ATACMS missiles, e) F-16 fighters, etc. We started with helmets and dry rations and now came to the introduction of a no-fly zone over the territory of Ukraine. And if this zone has not been introduced, then it is not yet. Because everything else has by now either been brought into reality, or at least approved.

In such a situation, as experts in the West itself note, attempts to shoot down Russian missiles with NATO air defense systems can indeed be made - first over the border regions of Ukraine. Such a “test of the pen” really cannot be incredible, since NATO continues to increase the degree of escalation and look for Russia’s “pain threshold”. Accordingly, it would be too presumptuous to exclude the introduction of at least a partial no-fly zone, for example, over the west of the Lviv region, through which more than half of the volume of military cargo supplies goes to Ukraine.
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  1. +11
    27 May 2024 20: 03
    Of course not, this is the next stage of supporting Ukraine.
    1. -9
      27 May 2024 20: 58
      the creation of a no-fly zone over Western Ukraine does not look incredible

      Well, after the creation of a no-fly zone, the probability of a third world war becomes almost one hundred percent, and the probability of using nuclear weapons in it becomes almost the same... am
      1. +4
        27 May 2024 21: 00
        Lev Russia hi, BUT at the moment, judging by the statements from that side, this does not particularly scare these (censorship).
        1. -1
          27 May 2024 21: 15
          an exchange of tactical nuclear weapons strikes is almost inevitable. and the border between Russia and the West will be a strip with radioactive contamination.
      2. +2
        27 May 2024 21: 10
        after the creation of a no-fly zone, the probability of a third world war becomes almost one hundred percent, and the probability of using nuclear weapons in it becomes almost the same...

        Yes, nothing will change fundamentally, only there will be even more losses, it will be even more difficult for our soldiers (unfortunately!)
      3. +12
        27 May 2024 21: 15
        Once again the turbo caps flew off. laughing
        Here the Khinzirs fired at our component of the strategic nuclear forces, and no matter, we endure it in silence.
        1. +1
          27 May 2024 22: 44
          Quote: Zoer
          Once again the turbo caps flew off. laughing
          Here the Khinzirs fired at our component of the strategic nuclear forces, and no matter, we endure it in silence.


          So this is Meehan, he will defeat all the imperialists with one left hand
      4. 0
        27 May 2024 23: 28
        Quote: Lev_Russia
        Well, after the creation of a no-fly zone, the probability of a third world war becomes almost one hundred percent

        What is a no-fly zone? In international law? And who can arrange it? NATO pepelats? Then yes. This is war. And if We say, why are you flying in the waters of the Black Sea, not being a Black Sea state, then no. You can shoot down for free. And it is necessary. Because there’s no need to arrange secondary sanctions for everyone
        1. -3
          28 May 2024 02: 32
          Are you colleagues, all without family, childless, who don’t even remember their kinship??? Are you talking about nuclear war, about Paradise as “We won’t stand for the price”??

          What is this - to jingle your eggs and go to a showdown?? Is this the “Preserve and Enlarge Russia” method? You are ready to put the thousand-year-old civilization of Russia on the line, and you think that your ancestors will meet you in “Paradise” and will be proud of you!!!!

          You simply do NOT believe in Russia’s ability and capabilities to win - because there will be no victory in a nuclear war. Tactical nuclear weapons are a method of intimidation. And NATO, as an enemy, by definition, won’t score a point.
          1. -3
            28 May 2024 05: 56
            Are you colleagues, all without family, childless, who don’t even remember their kinship??? Are you talking about nuclear war, about Paradise as “We won’t stand for the price”??

            Sorry for my lack of tolerance, but we scared the hedgehog, as they say.
            Anyone who knows about the gaps in the real history of the world is not surprised by this situation. Welcome to the laboratory and to the Earth test site.
            Every 200 years the “game”, civilization, is reset. Or do you believe in a 1000 year old horse and cart civilization? Your grandparents needed them to remove the consequences))
            1. +1
              28 May 2024 06: 07
              Welcome to the laboratory and to the Earth test site.
              Every 200 years the “game”, civilization, is reset.


              In principle, this is a good move - to enter into a serious topic with “alternative history” and turn everything into a farce and a farce!
              1. -2
                28 May 2024 06: 19
                Quote: Vladimir80
                Welcome to the laboratory and to the Earth test site.
                Every 200 years the “game”, civilization, is reset.


                In principle, this is a good move - to enter into a serious topic with “alternative history” and turn everything into a farce and a farce!

                You are not much different from me, the same conspiracy theorist, only with a different sign. Did you see the creation date of my account? Yeah, I created it on purpose back then so that 10 years later I would bring the topic to the point of absurdity under this publication))
            2. 0
              28 May 2024 09: 46
              Nevsky_ZU:
              but they scared the hedgehog, as they say.
              Anyone who knows about the gaps in the real history of the world is not surprised by this situation.

              I would be very upset if you are from St. Petersburg, or for me - always Leningrad!❤️

              I believe in the unevenness of civilization, and as a function - not differentiated. With horses and carts.. and everyone according to “Rublev”, “Tsar”... “Horde”.. - visual images for convenience of your perception.

              At best, your pictures suggest a primitive, inductive approach to history. This is most often a sign of nihilism, and if you are not afraid of a nuclear war, you have an exacerbation called the “Samson complex.” It's incurable. I hope you are far from being responsible for at least your family.
              1. 0
                28 May 2024 14: 08
                I would be very upset if you are from St. Petersburg, or for me - always Leningrad!❤️

                I have nothing against local patriotism. Even if it is a historical imperial center.
                I believe in the unevenness of civilization, and as a function - not differentiable
                We don’t prohibit people from believing, and they even protect believers; that’s your right. There are many scientific methods that can also justify the proximity of the hut and the Winter Palace, also from the standpoint of alternative history. Or then correct the “roof” of historiographic science so that it does not explain everything in history with the help of a hammer and chisel, and how many slaves per unit of time died during the construction of the so-called temple complexes in Giza, using manual physical labor. (by the way, early warning systems such as “Voronezh” and “Dnepr”, do you want to call them, for example, religious places, or will we wait 200 years for new meticulous historians?
                Your pictures at best say...

                Leave your intellectual swagger and other diagnoses for your patients. Unless, of course, you are a practicing doctor and have a diploma.
        2. +2
          28 May 2024 06: 05
          In international law?

          I see there are still jokers on this site, thanks!
      5. 0
        28 May 2024 02: 17
        Lev_Russia

        Yesterday, 20:58 Well, after the creation of a no-fly zone, the probability of a third world war becomes almost one hundred percent, and the probability of using nuclear weapons in it becomes almost the same... am


        It is unlikely that this will have such consequences. Another question is, is a no-fly zone necessary and what is it?
        A buffer zone between the western border and the rest of Ukraine suggests itself and could stop the supply of weapons. But there are probably good reasons not to isolate Ukraine's western border. One of them is obvious - humanitarian. Problems with food supplies will immediately arise and a cry will rise in the Western media about Russia’s obstruction of food supplies to Ukraine, and they will begin to exploit the theme of hunger (another Holodomor). No matter how the food transportation corridors are organized, this topic will still be exploited. About the same thing happened with the export of grain from Ukraine. Everyone understands that if the western border of Ukraine were under Russian control, the war would have ended long ago.
        1. +1
          28 May 2024 06: 09
          Problems with food supplies will immediately arise and a cry will rise in the Western media about Russia’s obstruction of food supplies to Ukraine, and they will begin to exploit the theme of hunger

          Thank you for another “explanation and reassurance”, I’ll write it down so I don’t forget!
          But there are probably good reasons not to isolate the western border of Ukraine

          You know, as they said at school - “we have a thin gut!”
          1. 0
            30 May 2024 23: 15
            Vladimir80
            28 May 2024 06: 09
            You know, as they said at school - “we have a thin gut!”


            At school, and even grandmothers, they said this, but it’s just that everyone has already voiced everything on this issue a long time ago. Belarus will enter the war if Poland crosses the western border of Ukraine. Lukashenko unequivocally stated that he would not allow Poland to occupy Ukraine. Nobody talks about this, but the territories of Western Ukraine are just as Ukrainian as Polish, Belarusian, and Russian, in addition to Austria-Hungary. Austria-Hungary, historically speaking, controlled Western Ukraine for a relatively short time.
  2. -8
    27 May 2024 20: 06
    But they will end up with either diapers or bags. We said denazification, the West said yes... until the last Ukrainian am
    1. -3
      27 May 2024 20: 29
      But they will end up with either diapers or bags

      You are an incorrigible optimist, but what is this “to the last Ukrainian”, “to the last Russian”, etc. for? ???
      1. -8
        27 May 2024 20: 36
        So they said (west)... we will take Kuev in 3 days and now Ukraine is to the last... What do I have to do with it? request 4 months near Artyom... not 3 days recourse I've seen a lot of things, and how they shot their own people in the back (whoever didn't want to) they have a lot of ideas... They still believe in something, even in rotten Zelicox... although I know how... they found something What wassat
        1. -4
          27 May 2024 22: 18
          Nobody was going to take the forges in three days, there was no gap. Why did you want even the entire Ukraine to be left in one day without a nuclear desert?
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  4. +3
    27 May 2024 20: 09
    Come on, that's nonsense. They will threaten with a red line and they will forget about this idea. You just need to threaten like that and frown
  5. kvv
    +4
    27 May 2024 20: 10
    So if the Kremlin only has Chinese felt-tip pens as a response (they don’t even have their own), then soon not only will there be a no-fly zone, it won’t be far from the contingent there, and they will also give tactical nuclear weapons. But the guarantor makes very valuable visits to Uzbekistan, apparently there is nothing else to do, because his General Staff cracks everything like nuts
    1. -9
      27 May 2024 20: 48
      Are you talking about those markers that our soldiers use to change the map every day? wink
      1. +6
        27 May 2024 21: 21
        Our soldiers change the map with their blood, their blood. And precisely because the Westerners spat on their felt-tip pens.
    2. +4
      27 May 2024 20: 56
      Quote: kvv
      But the guarantor makes very valuable visits to Uzbekistan, apparently there is nothing else to do, because his General Staff cracks everything like nuts

      Uzbekistan is cotton. Cotton is gunpowder. Gunpowder is a shot from a machine gun or gun. “For example, the explosive pyroxylin is made from cotton cellulose. And you need a lot of this ingredient, which is made from cotton. Cotton is not grown in Russia, it must be purchased abroad, and the order must be placed a year before the harvest. "... It’s not something to do what do you write with... Does your Zelya travel around the world with humorous performances? Or is it something else... am
      1. +4
        27 May 2024 21: 08
        Uzbekistan is cotton. Cotton is gunpowder

        this only confirms the absolute (!) unpreparedness of everything that is happening... or this is simply what the overseas puppeteers intended...
        1. +1
          28 May 2024 09: 11
          Quote: Vladimir80
          confirms the absolute (!) unpreparedness of everything that is happening...

          Uzbekistan is an independent country. It happened that way. And we have to agree on strategic raw materials between Russia and Uzbekistan here and now.
          1. -1
            28 May 2024 09: 39
            Uzbekistan is an independent country. It happened that way. And we have to agree on strategic raw materials between Russia and Uzbekistan here and now

            and no one argues, which does not cancel what I said above!
      2. kvv
        -2
        27 May 2024 21: 46
        Well, maybe the Kiev ghoul is yours, I don’t argue with that, but as for the sale of cotton, you are very naive, contracts for its sale have already been concluded a long time ago and for several years in advance
        1. 0
          28 May 2024 09: 09
          Quote: kvv
          Well, maybe the Kiev ghoul is yours, I don’t argue with that, but as for the sale of cotton, you are very naive, contracts for its sale have already been concluded a long time ago and for several years in advance

          They have long been concluded for several years in advance. Those were peaceful years . bully
      3. +1
        28 May 2024 10: 25
        Quote: 30 vis
        Uzbekistan is cotton

        And also uranium.
  6. 0
    27 May 2024 20: 11
    All these conversations are needed to prepare the population using controlled media. And the decision has most likely been made, plan “A” and plan “B”.
  7. +2
    27 May 2024 20: 12
    Ich finde dieses seit Jahren andauernde Feststellung des offensichtlichen mittlerweile absolut öde...!!

    Wenn Russland nicht klipp und klar ankündigt, sofort und ohne jede weitere Vorwarnung massiv Vergeltung zu üben, falls auch nur eine russische "Fliege" durch außerhalb der Ukraine stationierte NATO (!!!) Flugabwehr abgeschossen wird, kann man schon jetzt die Gräber der held enhaften , russischen Piloten ausheben, die dieser verantwortungslosen Lethargie Moskau`s zum Opfer fallen werden...!!!

    WAS so frage ich, muß denn noch alles passieren, damit Russland sich endlich wie eine ATOMMACHT verhält, die diesen Schweinen das Fürchten lehrt...?!?
    1. -2
      27 May 2024 20: 17
      Quote: 1erWahrheitsMinister_1984

      WAS so frage ich, muß denn noch alles passieren, damit Russland sich endlich wie eine ATOMMACHT verhält, die diesen Schweinen das Fürchten lehrt...?!?

      Changing the elite
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  8. -2
    27 May 2024 20: 15
    Well, how will they defend? If Western fighters are patrolling there, then this, of course, is a piece of cake, because it’s obviously impossible to shoot them down. And if along the border the patriots set up against geraniums, then you are welcome
    1. +5
      27 May 2024 20: 23
      Let them find something. It’s just that this topic in the article already looks outdated. NATO is already in full swing. And this is a fact. And what are they putting on a good face? So this is a bad game.
  9. +12
    27 May 2024 20: 15
    We started with helmets and dry rations and now came to the introduction of a no-fly zone

    The no-fly zone is not the limit.
    Transfer of nuclear weapons, this is what we are moving towards.
    It feels like time is against us. And we don’t want to end it hard, but quickly. We're all waiting for something. We'll wait...
    1. +1
      27 May 2024 20: 31
      Quote: Neo-9947
      It feels like time is against us. And we don’t want to finish, hard, but quickly

      This is not an impression - it is a fact. And it’s not us who don’t want it, but the government and Putin!
    2. -2
      27 May 2024 20: 32
      And we don’t want to end it hard, but quickly. We're all waiting for something

      The goals of the scriptwriters of this war are different, and the characters continue to clearly fulfill their roles (well, at least from the outside everything looks that way!)
      1. -4
        27 May 2024 20: 43
        Namely, that others, the creation of a no-fly zone is not included in these goals, because this will immediately lead to the development of a much harsher and bloodier conflict. You can try to create a no-fly zone with a much weaker enemy, although the Houthis do not agree with this and clearly show every day that the very concept of a no-fly zone is from the evil one!
        1. -7
          27 May 2024 20: 47
          You can try to create a no-fly zone with a much weaker enemy

          why have they already trained on Libya, Iraq, Yemen... now they will move on to bigger rivals...
          1. -8
            27 May 2024 21: 22
            As soon as they cross, they will wash themselves with blood and radioactive ash, the jokes are over, gentlemen.
            1. -2
              27 May 2024 21: 29
              Quote: Sergey3
              As soon as they cross, they will wash themselves with blood.

              Are you sure they will wash themselves?
              1. -6
                27 May 2024 21: 30
                Absolutely sure!!! And I personally will do everything in my power for this...
                1. -4
                  27 May 2024 21: 33
                  Quote: Sergey3
                  Absolutely sure!!!

                  I am very pleased with your optimism.
                  1. -5
                    27 May 2024 21: 35
                    This is not optimism, this is a Fact based on the knowledge of what comes from the inside...
                    1. -1
                      27 May 2024 21: 36
                      Quote: Sergey3
                      what comes from inside...

                      Excuse me, from inside what?
                      1. -4
                        27 May 2024 21: 45
                        You are not supposed to know, you will find out when your Thames becomes a wildly radioactive swamp.
                      2. -2
                        27 May 2024 21: 46
                        Quote: Sergey3
                        Your Thames

                        Well, use it my friend, you gave me the Thames. Where to go to get a gift?
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            2. 0
              27 May 2024 21: 34
              jokes are over gentlemen.

              were you joking before??? Sorry, but jokes are inappropriate in war!
              1. 0
                27 May 2024 21: 39
                And before this there was no war, people were having fun and didn’t care about the fighting somewhere out there... And now the war has come to the doorstep, about 40 minutes ago, not far from my house, air defense guns were firing excitedly, and I live in a huge metropolis at least 1,5 .XNUMX thousand km from Ukraine. The pig plane was drowned in the river, but half the city heard the work of the shell.
            3. +1
              27 May 2024 21: 52
              I see that this site has become a camp of the enemy, the devils are downvoting, no matter, let’s remember who to give downvotes to, don’t complain later.
              1. +1
                27 May 2024 22: 22
                the site has become the camp of the enemy, ek minus the devil

                Well, for such a statement, you might get hit by the admin!
                P.S. Didn’t you think that liars, idle talkers and “pacifiers” are our closest enemies???
              2. 0
                27 May 2024 23: 45
                Quote: Sergey3
                I see this site has become an enemy camp

                TsIPSO is everywhere.
    3. +4
      27 May 2024 21: 56
      Quote: Neo-9947
      It feels like time is against us. And we don’t want to end it hard, but quickly. We're all waiting for something. We'll wait...
      Zhirinovsky also said that we cannot wait for June 22, 1941.
      We now have everyone - from the “top” to the jingoistic patriots on the forums - saying that “we didn’t wait, we played proactively in 2022.”

      And I have a feeling that “June 22, 1941” has not yet arrived. It's "1938" now. The maximum is “September 1939.” And “June 22” will begin when Ukraine receives Western contingents, a “no-fly zone” and so on, even tactical nuclear weapons.
      This is what needs to be “anticipated.”
      It’s not for me to judge the methods; that’s why the General Staff and the Supreme Commander exist. I do what I can in my place.
  10. +1
    27 May 2024 20: 18
    Iran had to pretend to be an IKD; it didn’t need global conflagration to demand oil export benefits from the United States, and it demanded them. The United States introduced absolutely toothless sanctions against Iran’s oil exports to China.
    1. -1
      27 May 2024 20: 31
      There is no need to compare Iran and Russia, we have completely different goals. We definitely won’t stop.
  11. -1
    27 May 2024 20: 20
    We are waiting for new red-brown lines and menacing snoring. And then groans that they were deceived again. And another Abramovich charter with tiramisu. Cohabitation does not lead to good things.
    1. -10
      27 May 2024 20: 32
      Quote: Russian quilted jacket
      We are waiting for new red-brown lines

      Grey-brown boogers!
      1. -5
        27 May 2024 22: 00
        Quote: Practitioner23354df
        Grey-brown boogers!

        I wonder if those who put downvotes didn’t like the color I suggested, or the fact that I didn’t write this word correctly?
  12. +2
    27 May 2024 20: 23
    I wouldn’t be surprised if they make a no-fly zone and send in troops. Maybe it will be so.
    1. 0
      27 May 2024 23: 48
      Quote from germanboy
      I wouldn’t be surprised if they make a no-fly zone and send in troops.

      Well, the French, according to the article on VO, are already planning to officially send their troops to Ukraine.
  13. 0
    27 May 2024 20: 23
    What could our answer really be? Preferably with geographical and technical details
    1. -2
      27 May 2024 20: 29
      Well, you just need to give out the entire database right away, calm down. “Then there will be a surprise” (V. Vinokur).
      1. +1
        27 May 2024 21: 16
        Quote: Leshak
        "Then there will be a surprise"

        I wonder for whom?
        1. 0
          27 May 2024 21: 52
          "Then there will be a surprise"
          I wonder for whom?

          request This is known “not only to everyone” (V. Klitschko).
          1. -1
            27 May 2024 21: 54
            Quote: Leshak
            This is known "not only to everyone"

            It's too difficult for me. I have not yet comprehended philosophy of this level. Probably didn't drink enough.
    2. -4
      27 May 2024 20: 34
      what could our answer really be?

      in order to give an answer you must first be independent, and not puppets (the puppets are pulled by the strings - and they do what was intended by the overseas uncle)
    3. +6
      27 May 2024 20: 36
      in fact, a year and a half ago, the Beskydy tunnel should have been destroyed, the railway infrastructure of Galicia should have been destroyed....railway logistics in Saloreikha are still working properly even in the LBS area, bridges across the Dnieper and the hydroelectric power station are working.....in Kuyev through day of receiving delegations from all over the world
      1. -3
        28 May 2024 06: 04
        Or maybe, purely technically, we cannot destroy this tunnel (well, if without tactical nuclear weapons) from those distances from which we can launch daggers with zircons? But then it’s also really problematic for us to oppose the creation of a “no-flight” system over the west of Ukraine
  14. -1
    27 May 2024 20: 31
    A non-European zone is fraught.
  15. +1
    27 May 2024 20: 38
    Note - a notable throw-in at the end of the day laughing.
    But I must admit, it is not groundless.
    Regarding nuclear weapons, this is certainly too much.
    1. -3
      27 May 2024 20: 52
      Regarding nuclear weapons, this is certainly too much.

      overkill, but only in the sense that the West has more effective weapons with which it will supply Bandera’s followers...
      1. -1
        27 May 2024 20: 56
        Quote: Vladimir80
        overkill, but only in the sense that the West has more effective weapons with which it will supply Bandera’s followers...

        You forgot to add - NOT exceeding the level of conflict escalation hi
        1. -2
          27 May 2024 21: 05
          You forgot to add - NOT exceeding the level of conflict escalation

          I haven’t forgotten, the West sets and abolishes rules depending on interests and goals...
          1. 0
            27 May 2024 21: 25
            Quote: Vladimir80
            I haven’t forgotten, the West sets and abolishes rules depending on interests and goals...

            It's hard to object to you request
            But probably not in this case. It's like a Pandora's box.
            Everyone can do this, then they can afford it request
  16. +4
    27 May 2024 20: 38
    Where is the dislike button for the author?! am I ask the moderators to return this argument to democracy.
  17. -1
    27 May 2024 20: 41
    If the West approved the supply of tanks and fighters to Kyiv, then the creation of a no-fly zone over Western Ukraine does not look incredible

    Then the creation of a no-fly and navigation zone in the Black Sea is inevitable request
    1. -2
      27 May 2024 20: 47
      Quote: igorbrsv
      Then the creation of a no-fly and navigation zone in the Black Sea is inevitable

      For which country?
      1. +1
        27 May 2024 20: 49
        Fully...................
        1. -4
          27 May 2024 20: 50
          Quote: igorbrsv
          Totally ...

          Well, at least that way. Good too.
  18. -4
    27 May 2024 20: 57
    Well, a nuclear war will start immediately!
  19. -1
    27 May 2024 21: 04
    It’s really not news, but some kind of fanfare.

    at one time, approximately the same discussion took place regarding a) “Bayraktars”, b) “Javelins”

    Actually, no. Bayraktars and Javelins were in Ukraine already before the start of the war, and the Ukrainian patriots were talking about how they would drink kava with one hand and destroy Russian tanks in the thousands with the other. And the begging for weapons began with artillery closer to the fall of 2022.

    reached the point of introducing a no-fly zone over the territory of Ukraine
    There was talk about a no-fly zone at the very beginning, after ours had mowed down most of the Ukrainian air defense and almost all aviation.

    We started with helmets and dry rations... NATO continues to increase the degree of escalation and look for Russia’s “pain threshold”

    Yes, NATO is not raising or looking for anything.
    They started with helmets and dry rations because they believed that this was enough and Ukraine would cope on its own after ours withdrew from Kyiv. Then they decided that Western artillery was needed for the victory. By the summer of 2023, it turned out that Western tanks were needed to ensure the success of the great counter-offensive. Now it seems to Ukraine and the West that in order to stop the Russian offensive they need F-16s and a no-fly zone.

    It's simple, really.
    The changes are not in the level of escalation, but in the motivation: first to win by defeating Russia, then to win at least somehow, now at least not to lose. The next stage will be to lose not catastrophically.
  20. -1
    27 May 2024 21: 19
    Road map of what will happen:
    And just don’t say that there will be pink little things and rainbows and happiness

    ... There are all sorts of little things like conventional weapons...
    Nuclear power plant attacks
    Dam explosions
    Supply of Abrams
    Supply Atakms
    Permission to strike deep within the territory of the Russian Federation
    Disabling early warning systems
    (We are here)
    Introduction of NATO instructors officially
    No-fly zone
    Delivery of f-16
    Deployment of troops by individual NATO countries
    Attacks by NATO aircraft on Russian aviation
    Disablement of Russian satellites
    Suspension for F-16 tactical Yao
    "Tactical" nuclear war
    "Strategic" nuclear war
    The formation of the rad-cockroach civilization
    1. +3
      27 May 2024 21: 28
      You don’t have to go far here, just half an hour ago the air defense fired near my house, and I live about 1,5 thousand km away. from chochlorreich. The hokhlolet was drowned in the river, because there was no explosion anywhere.
    2. 0
      27 May 2024 21: 40
      "Strategic" nuclear war
      The formation of the rad-cockroach civilization


      The West, which unleashed all this, are not idiots, they have everything calculated, and even if there is a serious “mix,” I will not come after them. 100%
      1. +1
        27 May 2024 21: 57
        Of course it won’t arrive, since they are already trying to disable the early warning system with their proxies. When their Yaos are the first to strike from all sides, there is a good chance that the response will not come to them. That while bombs are falling on us, someone will be looking for new shades of red markers, instead of the start key. In all actions it turns out exactly like this.
    3. -1
      27 May 2024 21: 56
      I can just bet money, no worries or rainbows, that the last three points will not happen. And if suddenly the Russian Armed Forces decide to use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine, NATO, with the full approval of the global south, will go to war with the full power of its conventional weapons (tomahawks, AUGs, etc.) in order to urgently stop the unacceptable situation without turning it into an exchange of nuclear strikes. (And this is exactly the reason why the Russian Armed Forces do not use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine and are unlikely to ever use them.)
      1. +1
        27 May 2024 22: 04
        It is not the Russian Federation that will be the first to use tactical nuclear weapons... unfortunately. And don’t say that there were no plans for nuclear bombing of the USSR...

        PS: we have opponents who, without any particular need, both military and political, when everything was already predetermined, destroyed two cities with two nuclear bombs. I remind you that the United States bombed Japan with nuclear weapons simply because they could. What's stopping them from repeating it? Are they being judged? No, the winners are not judged.
        1. -2
          27 May 2024 22: 08
          Name the amount of the bet and the time period within which, in your opinion, “not the Russian Federation” will be the first to use their nuclear weapons. The deadline can be spared.
          1. 0
            27 May 2024 22: 18
            You want to argue, so argue with whoever you want. I don't care about your argument. I don't trade beliefs for money.
            PS: especially since if I win, where will I take Coca-Cola caps from you or what will I take as currency :)? You have a win-win position, either you win or I lose, since the check and donkey and I burn “in the ashes of nuclear fires” (C) terminator.
        2. 0
          27 May 2024 22: 46
          when everything was already predetermined, two nuclear bombs destroyed two cities.

          vice versa. when they lost it, everything immediately became a foregone conclusion and on the same day the Japanese agreed to surrender.
      2. Msi
        -1
        27 May 2024 23: 11
        And if suddenly the Russian Armed Forces decide to use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine, NATO, with the full approval of the global south, will go to war with the full power of its conventional means

        In Ukraine they often think and reason this way too. I don’t know who told them this. request Who needs this country? The West will not die for it.
        1. +1
          27 May 2024 23: 53
          The West will do this not for the sake of Ukraine, but so that no one else will get the idea that starting to use nuclear weapons is a good idea. Because the consequences may be uncontrollable. This is his strategy of not dying.
    4. -2
      27 May 2024 22: 48
      There are no weapons on the planet that can bomb everything down to cockroaches.
    5. -1
      27 May 2024 22: 53
      Quote: Last centurion
      "Tactical" nuclear war
      "Strategic" nuclear war
      The formation of civilization is rad-cockroaches
      I would probably bet on rats. They are also masters of survival in any conditions, and besides, rodents are the closest relatives of primates. They will probably be smarter than cockroaches, and this is the main thing for the development of civilization. Moreover, they are warm-blooded, and this is an extra chance to survive a nuclear winter.
      1. 0
        28 May 2024 06: 21
        I would probably bet on rats.

        They forgot about scooters, they are somewhere between the first and second! wassat
  21. -1
    27 May 2024 21: 21
    Isn’t this a no-flight zone now?
  22. +1
    27 May 2024 21: 23
    Russia should react they lost all their fear of Russia and increasingly they are convinced that they have escalation dominance and there is very little time left before they conclude no matter what they do, Russia do not dare to engage with the NATO
    I am not Russian, but for some reason I get angry when see that little by little, Russia becomes less scary for its enemies
    the fact that to this day US didn't dare to retaliate against any of Iran attacks shows you that they only act right when they fear you and fact of the matter is US despite being the most powerful military, fear Iran because they know Iran do not backdown and US rather fanatically wants to maintain the image of invincibility so they literally backdown and coverup its casualty to avoid being in a war with an adversary that do not ear them and willing to be in a all out war with it necessary.
    The US is heavily dependent on deterrence, and they do not engage in conflict with regional powers such as China, Russia, or Iran. If he concludes that they have lost this deterrence, it is because they are aware that they cannot win a war against any of those powers because they are engaged in a defensive war, which is far easier, particularly in a conflict where they must travel 10,000 miles to reach the battlefield, which is impossible after Iran invented the ASBM (anti ship ballistic missile), a technology that is currently only possessed by Iran's inventor, and China, which either copied the technology or acquired it from Iran a few years later. Therefore, all they have is effectively a dangerous poker game. And they keep taking away your chips if you do not react, you should call their bluff 
    1. -4
      27 May 2024 22: 47
      Go back to school. Even at 5th grade of elementary school, your English is below the grade level.
    2. -2
      27 May 2024 22: 47
      Absolutely correct...!!!
  23. +3
    27 May 2024 21: 53
    What is the article about, thoughts?
    An article that provokes a howl: about red lines, agreements, etc.
    Zero valuable information. Looks like custom
  24. +1
    27 May 2024 22: 25
    The longer the management kneads their tits, the more intense the enemy will act. If we were to get into this swamp, then we needed to maintain the intensity ourselves, and not babble about mirror answers, which the entire Western world is simply laughing at.
  25. -2
    27 May 2024 22: 25
    Quote: Practitioner23354df
    Quote: Leshak
    "Then there will be a surprise"

    I wonder for whom?

    We know who the surprise is for - the people! And one of our dear chosen ones may fly away - maybe to North Korea, or to Israel, or to Miami? (This is not a provocation, but just an assumption)
    1. -3
      27 May 2024 22: 52
      Quote: Vladimir80
      We know who the surprise is for - the people!

      That's what I was hinting at.
  26. -1
    27 May 2024 22: 38
    A post for not very smart people.
    In fact, 2 long-range detection stations were removed within a week. This suggests that there are weeks left before the attack. I emphasize WEEKS.
  27. -1
    27 May 2024 22: 43
    Quote: ilimnoz
    an exchange of tactical nuclear weapons strikes is almost inevitable. and the border between Russia and the West will be a strip with radioactive contamination.

    It seems we can no longer do without this. Question: Which way will the wind blow?
  28. -1
    27 May 2024 22: 43
    Well, how far will they spread this zone? The earth is a ball, and therefore even the most long-range air defense systems have a limited range of operation against low-altitude targets due to the curvature of the earth's surface. What I don’t see is why I can’t work. And Caliber and Geranium are just low-altitude. Airplanes are good, but from low altitudes they see little, and at high altitudes there is a risk of running into Russian long-range missiles, especially when entering territory 404. On the radar it is difficult to distinguish the flare of a Ukrainian plane from a Polish one, which means any flare is legal target. And if this air defense is based on territory still controlled by the Bandera regime, what scope will open up for Russian missilemen to operate!
  29. 0
    28 May 2024 05: 21
    [quote=Zoer]Here the Khinzirs fired back at our component of the strategic nuclear forces, and no matter, we endure it in silence.[/quoteWe will listen with interest to your suggestions on this topic. Something tells me that no proposals will come from you.
  30. 0
    30 May 2024 16: 39
    The best option in this situation is a simultaneous strike on England’s power generation facilities with hypersonic Daggers equipped with conventional warheads from carriers: Tu-22, Tu-160, Tu-95, Su-34. You need to send a fiery greeting from 60 Daggers and the Anglo-Saxons will sit down, and all the other mongrels will shut up. Only one NATO missile will hit at least one object on Russian territory, our strategists must be 100% ready to plunge England into darkness. If it seems too little, blast tactical nuclear weapons from unearthly carriers.
  31. 0
    30 May 2024 16: 54
    Yes, it smells like kerosene! To a greater extent, in the first wave, tactical nuclear weapons warheads with neutron charges should be used to eliminate digital communications and the electronic content of smart missiles and combat aircraft. The same as space reconnaissance assets. By the way, radiation from neutron weapons acts in the first seconds of the explosion, and then it does not exist, except for that induced on metals. Clearly, all armored vehicles, HP, and electronics must be buried underground before hour X. And immediately after use, the era of tank lavas will begin, of which we have countless. All high-precision battlefield weapons will be disabled by hard neutron radiation. L.S. those who do not have time to bury themselves will also be neutralized.