Chinese alluvial islands in the South China Sea: radar posts, missile bases and unsinkable aircraft carriers

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Chinese alluvial islands in the South China Sea: radar posts, missile bases and unsinkable aircraft carriers

In the last decade, Beijing has clearly demonstrated its desire to take a leading place on the world stage, which, along with a growing economy, has been accompanied by an increase in political influence in the Third World countries and a radical modernization of the armed forces. The Chinese senior military-political leadership believes that the PLA Navy should become one of the main instruments ensuring China's dominance in the Asia-Pacific region.

Even now, taking into account the numerical and qualitative composition of the Chinese fleet is one of the strongest in the world, but it is not yet capable of confidently confronting the US Navy, as well as the combined fleets of Australia, the Republic of Korea, Taiwan and Japan.



To ensure the functioning of the Chinese fleet, foreign bases are being created. Such facilities were built in Cambodia (naval base in Ream) and in Djibouti (supply point in the port of Obock). Chinese officials say the overseas naval bases are intended solely for operations against pirates and to assist UN peacekeeping missions.

The main role in maintaining the combat stability of the Chinese fleet when operating in the South China Sea at a distance of more than 1000 km from its shores should be provided by artificial reclaimed islands on which runways have been erected, artificial bays have been built where large ships can take shelter from bad weather and unload, and there are also radar posts monitoring the sea area and airspace adjacent to the islands, and assets have been deployed Defense. Thus, China's increased economic power is being transformed into increased opportunities aviation and navy, which require well-equipped bases in the World Ocean.

The areas where Chinese artificial islands appeared are also claimed by Vietnam, Malaysia and the Philippines. This is largely due to the fact that there are a lot of fish around them, and significant reserves of oil and gas have been explored.

An arbitration court in The Hague has determined that Beijing has no right to disputed territories in the South China Sea. In response, Chinese President Xi Jinping said that these islands have been an integral part of the Celestial Empire since ancient times. Soon after the end of World War II, China published a map on which the state border in the South China Sea was marked as the so-called nine-dash line. The area claimed by Beijing includes up to 90% of the region, including the Spratly Islands and Scarborough Reef. The leadership of the PRC still refers to documents from 1947 as the main argument in the dispute, declaring their “historical rights" to the territory.

In 1992, China passed the Law on the Territorial Sea and Contiguous Zone, according to which the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Archipelago were declared an integral part of the country. In November 2012, the Chinese government published a document claiming the authority of the Hainan Provincial Police

"to disembark, inspect and take control of foreign vessels that have entered Chinese waters in the South China Sea."

Declarations of territorial claims are confirmed by deeds; in disputes over islands with other states, China actively demonstrates its readiness to use armed force, using military aviation and navy to protect its interests.

Military bases on the artificial islands of the Spratly archipelago


The Spratly Archipelago, with an area of ​​more than 400 thousand km², is located in the southwestern part of the South China Sea. It consists of more than 100 small islands, reefs and atolls, with a total land area of ​​about 5 km². The center of the archipelago is located 400 km from the islands of Palawan and Kalimantan, 500 km from the coast of Vietnam and 1000 km from the Chinese island of Hainan. According to expert estimates, the area has oil and gas reserves, as well as rich fisheries.

In the past, the 45 islets and reefs were controlled by military forces from Vietnam, China, Malaysia, the Philippines and Taiwan. It is difficult to call them full-fledged military bases; they are rather military posts in the form of small buildings on stilts, designed to indicate presence.


Some artificial structures built on reefs, in addition to communications and navigation equipment, had radars that monitored the adjacent sea area.

China used military force to seize some of the islands in the area that were previously under Vietnamese control. Not far from Johnson Reef in 1988, a military clash occurred between Chinese and Vietnamese warships. During the battle, one Chinese patrol boat and three Vietnamese patrol boats were sunk. As a result, China took control of seven reefs and atolls, creating a springboard for further expansion of its presence. Currently, the Chinese military is stationed on 9 islands, Vietnam controls 21 islands, the Philippines controls 8 islands, and Malaysia has garrisons on 3 islands.

Despite the fact that this territory is located off the Chinese coast and is located relatively close to the Philippine island of Palawan, it is China that is showing the greatest military activity, sending warships to the area and flying patrol aircraft, and is also reclamating artificial islands. Currently, in the Spratly archipelago, China has created 6 large islands of defense importance.

About 10 years ago, China began implementing a large-scale program to create artificial islands, known in the West as the “Great Wall of Sand,” which is estimated to cost tens of billions of dollars.


Artificial islands in the Spratly archipelago

Artificial islands are created by washing sand onto coral reefs, which are strengthened with concrete foundations and rock brought from the mainland to create an integral structure.


For this purpose, the PRC created an entire flotilla and developed the technology for mass high-speed pouring of large-sized concrete foundations in shallow water.

The world's largest ship, Tian Kun Hao (Magic Island Maker), was built at the Shanghai Zhenhua Heavy Industry shipyard in Qidong, Jiangsu Province, designed to reclaim soil from the seabed.


The ship, 140 m long and 28 m wide, has a capacity of 6000 m³ of sand per hour and is capable of taking sand from depths of up to 35 m.

In 2014, an artificial island with an area of ​​0,11 km² appeared on the site of a tiny piece of land known as Johnson's Reef, which was flooded during high tide, and a nearby small post on stilts with a garrison of about a dozen people.


Google Earth satellite image: artificial island on Johnson's Reef, buildings and structures under construction. Photo taken in March 2015

Despite its small size, it is a full-fledged artificial island with permanent buildings and structures. In addition to navigation beacons, a pier was built on the reclaimed land area, capable of receiving large ships, buildings where personnel live and work, a communications center, a helipad, lighthouses and warehouses.


Google Earth satellite image: artificial island on Johnson's Reef. Photo taken in November 2018

To ensure the life of personnel, the operation of radars, communications equipment, radars and beacons, there are diesel electric generators, but part of the electricity is generated by wind turbines and solar panels. Trees were planted on soil brought from the mainland.


Several powerful stationary radar stations provide control of the airspace and sea area adjacent to the island. Radar antennas, hidden under radio-transparent protective domes, are installed on concrete bases. Two antennas are mounted on towers 12 and 18 m high, which ensures reliable detection of low-altitude and sea targets at a range of more than 60 km. The detection range of large high-altitude objects can reach 500 km.


There is no information about the Chinese weapons deployed on Johnson Reef in open sources. However, the Vietnamese Internet resource thanhnien.vn published photographs showing a ship-mounted universal turret artillery a radar-guided installation mounted permanently on a concrete base.

Another artificial island with an area of ​​0,08 km² was built on Cuarteron Reef, where until 2014 a Chinese garrison was located on a reinforced concrete platform on stilts. By 2017, a full-fledged autonomous infrastructure with permanent buildings, mooring facilities, a helipad, navigation beacons and stationary radar stations was built here at an accelerated pace.


Google Earth satellite image: artificial island on Cuarteron Reef

The highest point of Gaven Reef until 2014 was a piece of rock rising 1,9 m above sea level, next to which there was a small platform. Now it is an outpost of the PLA Navy with a capital berth, helipads, radars and ready-made positions for the deployment of anti-ship and anti-aircraft systems.


Google Earth satellite image: artificial island on Gaven Reef

About 40 km south of Gaven Reef on Hages Reef there was until 2014 a structure on a concrete foundation with a small pier. Communication antennas and 14,5 mm twin machine gun mounts, capable of firing at air and surface targets, were placed on the roof of the building.


Now an artificial island has been created here. Its length reaches 600 m and width 310 m. The infrastructure of this island is similar to other objects built in the Spratly archipelago.


Google Earth satellite image: artificial island on Hages Reef

Until 2014, in the Yubi Reef area there was a horseshoe-shaped closed atoll 6,5 km long and 3,7 km wide. The depth of the lagoon reached 25 m.


Google Earth satellite image: artificial island on Yubi Reef

Now, on an artificial island with an area of ​​more than 5 km², a runway 3250 m long and 60 m wide has been built, on which an airliner from the Chinese company Hainan Airlines landed for the first time on July 13, 2016.


Google Earth satellite image: Yubi Reef airstrip

Although this airfield does not permanently host Chinese combat aircraft, if necessary, there is enough space to base a fighter wing or a squadron of anti-submarine aircraft.

The closed bay can accommodate an entire flotilla of ships, and the berthing facilities are able to serve dry cargo ships with a displacement of up to 15 tons. The island also has approximately two dozen domes of radar and space communications stations, as well as antenna fields of electronic intelligence equipment, numerous permanent buildings and hangars, 000 reinforced concrete shelters for aircraft, two helipads, warehouses and fuel storage facilities.

In the northwestern part of the island there is a residential area, where an artificial park has been laid out, there is a tennis court and a football field. According to American intelligence, anti-aircraft and anti-ship missiles are permanently stationed on Yubi Island. missile complexes.

In 2014, China began constructing an artificial island on the Fiery Cross Reef, which is located halfway between Vietnam and Malaysia. Its area is about 3 km², the length of the runway is 3160 m.


Google Earth Satellite Image: Fiery Cross Island

Chinese patrol and reconnaissance aircraft also regularly land at the island airbase. It is reported that the main work here was completed in 2018. Now a fighter aviation regiment can be based on the island, for which there are fuel and ammunition storage facilities, as well as radio equipment for blind landings and capital hangars.


In the northeastern part of the island, on both sides at the exit from the artificial harbor, there are radio-transparent domes, under which there may be antennas for radars and satellite communication systems.

According to expert estimates, the size of the garrison stationed on the island can reach 3000 people. Such a base should be covered by various air defense systems, but the quality of freely available satellite images does not allow them to be detected.


Google Earth satellite image: PLA Navy warships at the quay wall in the harbor of Fiery Cross Island

Mooring facilities in the island's inner harbor make it possible to receive ocean-class ships. Satellite images show that transport ships, corvettes, destroyers and landing ships of the PLA Navy regularly moor at the quay wall.

Military bases in the Paracel Islands


Approximately 200 km east of the coast of Vietnam and 230 km south of Hainan Island are the Paracel Islands. The archipelago consists of 15 islands, as well as reefs and shoals, spread over an area of ​​46 thousand km². The length of the archipelago from west to east is 180 km, and from north to south – 170 km, the total area of ​​the islands is about 7,8 km². Significant hydrocarbon reserves have been explored in this area. According to American experts, they amount to at least 11 billion barrels of oil and 5,9 trillion cubic meters of gas.


Shortly before the collapse of the South Vietnamese regime, in January 1974, the PLA Navy carried out an operation to capture the Paracel Islands. However, after communist rule was established over the entire territory of Vietnam, China did not return the islands.

In 2012, the Paracel Islands became part of the urban district of Sansha, with a population of about 2012 people. The district's jurisdiction extends over more than 3000 reefs and islands located over an area of ​​approximately 40 km².

In part of the Paracel archipelago, intensive construction of military infrastructure began in the 21st century. Although the Chinese military presence in the Paracel archipelago began to grow more than 20 years ago, China began creating artificial islands in the area in 2014. Full-fledged runways with shelters, workshops, and fuel storage facilities were built on four islands. On a number of islands there has been a significant expansion of harbors where large combat and transport ships can enter.

The largest military base is Woody Island, whose area has been increased from 2,1 km² to 2,8 km². A major runway with a length of 2007 meters, built in 2350, underwent reconstruction in 1990. Capital concrete shelters, storage facilities for material property, fuel and ammunition, and new residential buildings for military and service personnel were built. The island's internal water supply comes from rainwater harvesting. Additional drinking water is delivered from Hainan Island. The desalination plant, built in October 2016, is capable of processing 1000 tons of seawater per day.


Google Earth satellite image: Woody Island

In 2018, the Chinese media wrote that a research institute at the Chinese Academy of Sciences was developing a portable power nuclear reactor with the prospect of placing it on one of the artificial islands, and experts predicted its placement on Woody Island. However, whether this was implemented in practice is unknown. But, one way or another, the capacity to generate electricity necessary for the functioning of the infrastructure and life of the approximately 1300 people located here is quite sufficient. Approximately half of the island's population is military and police.

The mooring facilities of two artificial harbors make it possible to receive ocean-going vessels and service destroyer-class warships.


Google Earth satellite image of a Type 072-II large landing ship and a Type 056A corvette at the quay wall in Woody Island Harbor

Long-range H-6K missile-carrying bombers, JH-7A bombers, J-11 and J-16 fighter jets, as well as medium and heavy-duty UAVs have been spotted on Woody Island Air Base's runway in the past.


According to American intelligence, a squadron of J-11 fighters is permanently based on the island. Combat aircraft are located in well-protected reinforced concrete shelters, which can only be hit by a direct hit from heavy ammunition.


The shelters are spacious enough to allow full maintenance of the aircraft inside. If necessary, the number of combat aircraft on Woody Island can be quickly increased many times over.

On satellite images of the aircraft parking lot, one can regularly observe KJ-500 AWACS aircraft, Y-8G and Y-8X reconnaissance aircraft, as well as Y-8Q anti-submarine aircraft making intermediate landings here.


Google Earth satellite image of KJ-500, Y-8G and Y-8X aircraft next to a civilian airliner on the Woody Island airfield parking lot

Like other artificial islands, Woody Island has several radar posts and a space communications station.


Google Earth satellite image: Woody Island radar post

In addition to the aviation component and radars, air defense systems have been deployed on the island since 2016: the HQ-9A air defense system, with a range of destruction of high-altitude targets up to 200 km, and the HQ-6A short-range air defense system, which makes it possible to create an effective anti-aircraft defense over the islands under Chinese control. umbrella.


Google Earth satellite image: HQ-9A SAM position in the western part of Woody Island. Photo taken in April 2016

At the first stage, air defense systems were deployed on the beach in the western part of the island, and they were clearly visible on satellite images. Nowadays, most of the equipment is constantly located in reinforced concrete hangars that can withstand hits from aviation weapons, and in boxes that protect against the effects of adverse meteorological factors.

Unlike the HQ-9A long-range air defense system, the Chinese HQ-6A missile and artillery system is designed for direct defense against low-altitude air attack weapons located within line of sight. It includes, in addition to a guidance station and a missile defense system with a semi-active radar seeker, a 30-mm seven-barrel anti-aircraft artillery mount Toure 730 with a radar-optical guidance system.


The fire is carried out by a Toure 730 anti-aircraft artillery mount

This air defense missile system is not on permanent combat duty and is regularly deployed to positions in various parts of the island for training purposes.

American media, citing information received from intelligence sources, write about the presence of mobile anti-ship missile systems on Woody Island.


Start RCC YJ-62C

Perhaps we are talking about the YJ-83 (C-803) anti-ship missile with a launch range of more than 200 km. These could also be YJ-62C (S-602) anti-ship missiles - with a range of more than 300 km.

In fact, Woody has all the components for autonomous operations against sea and air enemies. Foreign military experts believe that this island, which is a real fortress, is a forward outpost of the PLA forces deployed in Hainan.

The largest Chinese military base in the Paracel archipelago is built on Woody Island. However, there are other islands nearby where the presence of the PLA has been recorded.

15 km north of Woody is the island of Trieu. After work to increase the area, its length is 890 m and its width at its widest point is 420 m.


Google Earth satellite image: Trieu Island

Apart from the radar post, no other objects of defense significance were noticed on Trie. However, Chinese border guard patrol vessels often moor in the island's inner harbor. It also has infrastructure that allows it to receive cargo from transport ships, a helipad and storage facilities.

In the southwest of the Paracel archipelago, Duncan Island is located, which is the basis of the anti-submarine defense and electronic intelligence of the PLA Navy in the area. Back in 2009, the construction of concrete foundations and towers began here, designed to accommodate radio antennas. At the moment, five spherical domes can be seen in the northern and eastern parts of the island. According to official Chinese sources, there is also a space tracking station on Duncan Island.

As with other islands, its area has been significantly increased since 2014. Thanks to the reclamation of sand and the strengthening of the shore lily, the territory of Duncan Island increased from 0,28 km² to 0,5 km².


Google Earth satellite image: Duncan Island

The landmass of Duncan Island encompasses a closed harbor with a narrow entrance, protected from storms. Large combat and transport ships regularly come here. The island also has a concrete pad and enclosed reinforced concrete hangars that can accommodate six Z-18 helicopters. According to some signs, the island is prepared for the deployment of mobile anti-aircraft and coastal anti-ship systems, but the launchers themselves are not visible on satellite images.

The easternmost Chinese military base was built on Disaster Reef, located 260 km west of the Philippine island of Palawan. In the past, during strong storms and high tides, this reef was almost completely hidden under water.


Google Earth Satellite Image: Disaster Reef

Despite protests from the Philippines in 2015, China began reclamation work here under the cover of warships. A year later, an artificial island appeared along the perimeter of the lagoon, in the western part of which a 2640 m long runway, parking lots and reinforced concrete shelters for aircraft were built. On July 13, 2016, a China Southern Airlines passenger plane landed on the runway.

There are several radar posts in different parts of the island, which are covered by short-range air defense systems.


Google Earth satellite image: radar post at Disaster Reef

The lagoon with narrow passages in the western and southern parts, measuring 7,6 by 4,6 km, allows an entire flotilla to shelter from bad weather, and the 1,8 km long quay wall, equipped with multi-ton cranes, can accommodate a significant number of large ships.

The importance of Chinese military bases on artificial islands


One of the main reasons for the creation of Chinese artificial islands on pieces of land, the ownership of which is disputed by different states, is the desire of the PRC leadership to secure areas rich in biological resources and minerals. The powerful defense infrastructure deployed on the reclaimed islands makes it impossible to resolve territorial disputes on the part of other states in the Pacific region by armed means and strengthens Beijing’s authority in the international arena. Having gained a foothold on the disputed islands, the Chinese authorities can afford to ignore the opinions of other states, conducting dialogue from a “position of strength.”

In terms of strengthening the global defense capability of the PRC, airfields, radar posts, missile bases, berthing facilities, warehouses of material property and fuels and lubricants create serious advantages over other players and make it possible to expand the coverage area of ​​the Chinese fleet and aviation, as well as accumulate reserves for control of the sea area at a considerable distance from the coastline of mainland China.

In the event of a global conventional conflict with the United States, unsinkable aircraft carriers, batteries of long-range air defense systems and anti-ship missiles, combined with radar and space reconnaissance assets, can partially compensate for American superiority in aircraft carriers, long-range bomber aircraft and long-range cruise missiles.
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  1. +17
    28 May 2024 05: 48
    Well, this is just freaking cool! I don't know what to add...
    Unless, militarily speaking, there is nothing for us to fish in the Pacific basin alone.
    1. +10
      28 May 2024 06: 09
      Quote: Kollega
      Unless, militarily speaking, there is nothing for us to fish in the Pacific basin alone.

      As sad as it is, only submarines represent the real strength in the KTOF, but even here there are questions, especially regarding the ability to go to sea in wartime. crying
      1. 0
        29 May 2024 22: 38
        It is curious that before the reclamation of the islands there were already Chinese posts there, but not on land, but buildings on concrete pillars.
        That is, all the indignant cries of the neighbors about “China’s aggressive offensive” are crap, he didn’t attack, he was already there. And it only gets stronger.
        Thank you for such a well-researched article.
  2. +25
    28 May 2024 06: 29
    Wonderful article, 5+ to the author, it was very interesting! hi
    PS Reading the article, in particular about the airfield infrastructure on these islands...I can’t help but wonder..."And why can’t ours also, on their own territory, build capital structures to protect against external influences, aircraft!? Is it really so difficult to capitalize though would be the current combat airfields!?
    1. 0
      12 August 2024 13: 15
      Ours can do this too, but there is no money. Delivery of goods to remote areas is very expensive, especially if there are no normal roads, and this is mostly the case with us...
      1. 0
        31 August 2024 08: 20
        It is possible to build infrastructure on the sea coast. By slightly compromising the advantage of location, it is possible to get cheap logistics in the warm season in return.
        1. 0
          9 September 2024 10: 42
          the point of the chinese islands is that they create land where there was none. and this is a serious long-term program, they have built vessels for reclamation, with a capacity of up to 9000 cubic meters of soil per hour.
          1. 0
            10 September 2024 06: 29
            I didn't mean the Chinese situation. Probably in the Kara Sea and other of our maritime territories the reclaimed islands are useful only as storm shelters for ships and nothing more. There is a lot of land on the coast and we need mass small ports and everything else based on them, and roads on land in those places are only in places.
            1. 0
              10 September 2024 09: 41
              a railway or a road by land is needed to the port. In the north, this is unlikely. Otherwise, it will not be a port but a base for waiting out bad weather
              1. 0
                12 September 2024 20: 06
                There will most likely be a river port and an airfield nearby. There are no problems with waterways in the north. Therefore, it is more logical to move from the coast inland along the river.
                1. 0
                  17 September 2024 13: 37
                  Rivers are not navigable in winter, they freeze. It is more logical to have some kind of solid road.
                  1. 0
                    18 September 2024 20: 27
                    There are winter roads in winter, even the first private winter road has appeared.
                    Perhaps in the future they will improve the technology of small nuclear reactors for energy supply and then life will become a little easier in such places.
                    1. 0
                      19 September 2024 10: 49
                      a winter road is good, but not a road. small nuclear reactors have existed for many years, but it seems like no one is trying to improve them. a reactor was installed on an airplane and a passenger car
  3. +2
    28 May 2024 07: 55
    Well, I just admire the Chinese! Such grandiose and complex projects are riveted like pies. Vanga said it right: the yellow race will rule the world!
    1. -2
      28 May 2024 10: 04
      The yellow race will rule the world!


      Perhaps this is exactly what he wants: China is a threat to whites. It is stupid for Russia to cooperate with China.
      1. 0
        11 September 2024 22: 41
        Quote from: wanna
        It is stupid for Russia to cooperate with China

        Minuses were put, because today it is accepted to love and admire China. While China is simply robbing Russia and destroying the ecology of the Far East and Siberia with the help of the authorities, of course. If we take into account everything that China has received from Russia over the past 15-20 years, then at least today it should have transferred several divisions of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. In addition, although China itself is a world power, it is based on 1,5 billion people, half of whom are poor by the standards of Western countries and Russia itself. Technologically, China is far behind the West, starting from metallurgy, mechanical engineering, to aircraft manufacturing. It would seem that it is a world power, but it still cannot create a medium-range passenger aircraft. And today, Russians should not be happy about the proximity to China, but rather be wary of the common border, since China is entering serious economic problems that can lead to unpredictable consequences.
  4. -4
    28 May 2024 09: 00
    Oh, that’s the crisis in real estate construction that the toadstool Yelen constantly mentions. laughing Isn't it possible that the PRC will set its sights on the Galapagos archipelago?
  5. +3
    28 May 2024 09: 03
    Oh yes the Chinese, oh yes sons!
  6. -3
    28 May 2024 09: 47
    An arbitration court in The Hague has determined that Beijing has no right to disputed territories in the South China Sea.

    Over the past decade, Beijing has clearly demonstrated its desire to take a leading place on the world stage.

    Shortly before the collapse of the South Vietnamese regime, in January 1974, the PLA Navy carried out an operation to capture the Paracel Islands. However, after communist rule was established over the entire territory of Vietnam, China did not return the islands.

    One of the main reasons for the creation of Chinese artificial islands on pieces of land, the ownership of which is disputed by different states, is the desire of the PRC leadership to secure areas rich in biological resources and minerals.


    As a Chinese, I am already familiar with Western media articles, so I am very familiar with the Jewish way of creating them :))

    The author tells you that China is a threat, a restless neighbor, a powerful neighbor, and look at the Russians, pessimistic and weak. Cooperating with China is a mistake, leading the wolf into the house.
    1. +9
      28 May 2024 12: 26
      Quote from: wanna
      The author tells you that China is a threat, a troublesome neighbor, a powerful neighbor

      Please quote where the author says this?
      Or do you have obsessive-compulsive disorder and imagine things that aren't there?
      1. -5
        28 May 2024 13: 00
        Quote: Bongo
        Quote from: wanna
        The author tells you that China is a threat, a troublesome neighbor, a powerful neighbor

        Please quote where the author says this?
        Or do you have obsessive-compulsive disorder and imagine things that aren't there?


        So you are saying that your post was not written with subjective malice towards China?
        Then I would like to know the origin of one of the paragraphs in your post, we could easily clarify the chronology
        Because it is already obvious that there is a storyline, a cause-and-effect relationship in your words.

        Shortly before the collapse of the South Vietnamese regime, in January 1974, the PLA Navy carried out an operation to capture the Paracel Islands. However, after communist rule was established over the entire territory of Vietnam, China did not return the islands.
        1. 0
          28 May 2024 14: 02
          Quote from: wanna
          So you are saying that your post was not written with subjective malice towards China?

          Do you have a spring exacerbation? fool
          1. -4
            28 May 2024 14: 35
            Hello Olga.

            Is it your husband who is a lazy, easy-going “defender of China’s interests (competent)”, “Could you tell me your qualifications”?

            I honestly don't know what your qualifications are, but I sensed your arrogance. Especially when your supporters are not shy about belittling commenters.
            1. +4
              28 May 2024 15: 02
              Quote from: wanna
              This is your husband - a lazy, easy "defender of China's interests (competent)",

              It's not clear what you're trying to say, but my husband is definitely not "lazy." No.
              Quote from: wanna
              Could you please state your qualifications?

              When you've been asked in the past what you do for a living, you've avoided answering. But I'll tell you what I do. I have my own business, selling telecommunications equipment.
              Quote from: wanna
              I honestly don't know what your qualifications are, but I sensed your arrogance.

              Where is the arrogance in the fact that I see your inadequacy and penchant for nationalism?
              Quote from: wanna
              Especially when your supporters are not shy about belittling commenters.

              These are your sick fantasies fool Do you think that if people think that you are wrong, this means that they are all my supporters and I control them? fool
              1. -2
                28 May 2024 15: 36
                When you've been asked in the past what you do for a living, you've avoided answering. But I'll tell you what I do. I have my own business, selling telecommunications equipment.


                1, I don't have to tell you what I do for a living because we're discussing a public topic. Well, yes, I know that professional discussion requires qualifications.

                2, I actually respect Sergei's results, there is a good word to describe his work "computer science", well, I have known about "information retrieval" since I was 18 and went to university, it is the same as a worker who tightens screws on factory, it's just a process. It's the same as being a screwdriver in a factory, it's just a process. I don't see anything special in this.

                3, Do you sell telecommunications equipment? Well, coincidentally, this somehow overlaps with me, since I'm studying computer science and understand some of the basics. But “sales” is not really my thing.
        2. +3
          28 May 2024 18: 33
          your post was not written with subjective malice towards China?
          Mr. wannacry, I don’t see any malicious intent or sinophobia in the article. Written quite impartially and informatively.
          1. -3
            28 May 2024 18: 38
            :) So far, all the media outlets I've seen claim to be independent, unbiased and even professional in "balanced reporting"....

            I will study the principles of communication later.
          2. -3
            28 May 2024 20: 17
            Mr. wannacry, I don’t see any malicious intent or sinophobia in the article. Written quite impartially and informatively.


            What Sergey is good at is collecting materials on the Internet, being patient and as strict as possible. But it has disadvantages, and this is the downside of collecting information on the Internet rather than serious academic pursuits.

            In his article, why the South China Sea was allocated to China was because the Chinese were greedy and didn't even have the loans to give it back to Vietnam, which

            And in real history there are two key points in time:

            1, the first key point is the end of World War II, the United States in order to block the Soviet Union forces divided into areas of responsibility, the South China Sea by China is responsible for (at that time is the Republic of China), the South China Sea of ​​China's power is divided into US warships carrying Chinese military personnel to each island named, responsible for defense (use your brain to think about it, at that time the so-called South China Sea disputed countries, they are not even a country, but colonial, where to come and China advertise your sovereignty like China?)

            (2, only later the Republic of China was replaced by the communist regime in China, and then the place that was designed to prevent the expansion of Soviet power was occupied by the communists! It turned out to be a boomerang. So, again, the Americans don’t want to, so they explain themselves and self-operate in other ways. ( The Anglo-Saxons are good at this - they can change the rules whenever they want).

            3, the second key point is when all the disputes broke out in the South China Sea based on the peace years (I'm not sure exactly, I don't want to waste time searching for information, but it was probably the 70s), oil was discovered, and suddenly every country felt the need to speak out.
            1. +1
              28 May 2024 20: 28
              Thank you for the information. I will certainly take an interest in the history of the division of this water area.
    2. +2
      29 May 2024 09: 04
      wanna:
      As a Chinese, I am already familiar with Western media articles, so I am very familiar with the Jewish way of creating them :))

      Excuse me, what specific, main meaning do you give to the generalization “Jewish” in your text?
    3. 0
      1 August 2024 15: 30
      In fact, more than one sensible politician, military man, or businessman does not blindly believe in friendship with China. For now, this is a partner, but he only cares about himself, and in the near future he will also be a very serious opponent.
  7. +3
    28 May 2024 10: 13
    hi
    As always, an interesting article!
    Judging by the maps, China is taking over a large and interesting piece of the sea:

    https://youtu.be/1TAPq-hciLo


    https://youtu.be/dodbqgKn8js

    We are waiting for balanced and objective comments from the Chinese side!
    1. +7
      28 May 2024 12: 31
      Quote: Wildcat
      As always, an interesting article!

      drinks
      Quote: Wildcat
      We are waiting for balanced and objective comments from the Chinese side!

      Alas, we cannot count on our Chinese friend the bath in this matter. In the comments to the article dedicated to Pakistani fighters, he added that I live in Israel. wassat
      I have nothing against any people, but this is too much and I don’t need someone else’s. No.
      1. +5
        28 May 2024 13: 05
        he added that I live in Israel.
        Well, almost, Birobidzhan is not far away... laughing
        1. +4
          28 May 2024 13: 14
          laughing
          ...and the article was very smart, having no analogues on the RuNet... so certain suspicions crept into the Chinese comrade's mind... request
        2. +3
          28 May 2024 14: 00
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          he added that I live in Israel.
          Well, almost, Birobidzhan is not far away...

          Anton, you are on point as always! lol good
          But China is closer to Komsomolsk.
          1. +3
            28 May 2024 14: 17
            When you have nothing to say on the topic, at least make a good joke.
            Hi, Olya! love
            1. +2
              28 May 2024 15: 08
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              When you have nothing to say on the topic, at least make a good joke.

              Don't you have anything to say? No.
              As for Birobidzhan, it’s a terrible hole. An agricultural area with very low income for the majority of the population. There are also big problems with illegal hemp cultivation.
              1. +2
                28 May 2024 15: 36
                Don't you have anything to say?
                Well, you know, I’m more and more into medieval pieces of iron. And all that flies roaring across the sky are dragons!
    2. 0
      28 May 2024 13: 07
      We expanded our island based on the fact that we consider it our territory, just as we build a house or a railway within our own borders.

      What do you expect from “balanced and objective comments”?
      1. +2
        28 May 2024 13: 11
        We expanded our island based on the fact that we consider it our territory, just as we build a house or a railway within our own borders.

        What do you expect from “balanced and objective comments”?


        It would be nice to see your map of the territory that China considers its own.

        This will be useful for educating the local public.
        1. -1
          28 May 2024 13: 22
          What? Are you saying that you haven't seen a single card issued by the Chinese government?

          Is there at least one country that does not publish its national borders?
          1. +2
            28 May 2024 13: 50
            What? Are you saying that you haven't seen a single card issued by the Chinese government?

            I myself am surprised.
            And I'm waiting for a map from you.
            1. -1
              28 May 2024 14: 13
              Why are you waiting for my answer???? -The Chinese government issues administrative maps.

              But I can scientifically prove to you the basic knowledge that there are only two countries where China and its neighbors have not yet resolved their border issues - Nepal and India.

              Nepal itself wants to negotiate with China, but this country is dominated by India and cannot negotiate with China alone.

              If you want to know the map of China, the only places that have not yet been identified are these two places.

              The border with Russia, signed back in the 1990s.

              You should know better, especially when you have the advantage of "understanding more" than others.
              1. +3
                28 May 2024 16: 31
                It's a shame there won't be a map...

                But I can scientifically prove to you the basic knowledge that there are only two countries where China and its neighbors have not yet resolved their border issues - Nepal and India.

                What about Vietnamese or Philippine or Japanese issues? Or are these not questions? Also a good, interesting scientific position.

                You should know better, especially when you have the advantage of "understanding more" than others.
                Undoubtedly, but the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.
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                    1. +1
                      28 May 2024 16: 59
                      Well, I really appreciate your witticisms (if the translation program is correct).

                      Moreover, I hope that with diligent study, you will later know how to find standard maps issued by the Chinese government on the Internet.
                      1. +3
                        28 May 2024 17: 13
                        Well, I really appreciate your witticisms (if the translation program is correct).

                        Come on... it’s much more important that “who needs it” doesn’t pay attention to your posts.

                        This should be written like this... for the entire Russian-speaking audience, the number one forum in the Cyrillic segment on military topics!
                        How did you personally come up with the idea to demonstrate such disrespect for the CCP, the Chinese Government and its leader? And just as absolutely, as the Russians say, “throw a tantrum out of the blue” and create doubts in the Russian-speaking audience?

                        Well, they asked you for the latest version of the map, what’s wrong? What if we find the wrong Chinese card, the one we need - but, say, from renegades from Taipei?
                        And after your nervous posts, what do you have to think: that there are people like you, hiding something and discrediting the CCP “under the table”?!
                        Are you even a member of the CCP?
                      2. -2
                        28 May 2024 17: 17
                        The maps released by China, of course, include Taiwan, disputed territories with India, and, of course, disputed territories or oceans with any country.

                        But not with Russia - do you Russians really want to get involved in this and create problems? How are the Americans?

                        So you still haven't found the standard card issued by the Chinese government?
                      3. +3
                        28 May 2024 17: 20
                        And after your nervous posts, what do you have to think: that there are people like you, hiding something and discrediting the CCP “under the table”?!
                        Are you even a member of the CCP?
                      4. +2
                        28 May 2024 18: 37
                        But not with Russia - do you Russians really want to get involved in this?
                        The fact is that among some Russians there is an opinion that in China there are maps of China for internal use by the Chinese - and on them a significant part of the territory of Russia is indicated as Chinese.
                      5. +1
                        28 May 2024 18: 47
                        Excuse me, my brain is about to explode... are there secret administrative maps of the country? That is, some countries promote places that are not its territory?

                        If you mean the ones that comrades Zhukov and Stalin had on the walls of their offices during World War II with red and blue arrows. This is not a map of administrative regions of China, this is a map of military offensives - is this the kind of map you are asking me to provide?

                        This would be a top secret card, I don't have it on hand, and I'm sure it can't be found on Yandex either.
                      6. +4
                        28 May 2024 18: 54
                        my brain is about to explode
                        Mr. wannacry, I suspected that being a foreigner, you simply did not know about the “theory” that you are confident in some Russians - that in China completely different maps are published for the Chinese, on which Baikal, Sakhalin, and part of other lands of the Russian Federation are marked as Chinese. No one has ever seen such maps in person, and this despite the fact that quite a lot of Russians study, work, and do business in China. Despite this, the legend lives on, and that is why one of the Russians asked you for a “real map” of China. I hope I made it clear.
                      7. 0
                        28 May 2024 18: 58
                        Thanks, I finally got it, so it was humorous.

                        It's like a game where we deliberately go out of our way to embarrass someone by asking them to prove on their own what they didn't do.

                        :)))
        2. +3
          28 May 2024 15: 16
          Quote: Wildcat
          It would be nice to see your map of the territory that China considers its own.

          It is unlikely that your interlocutor from China will give it to you. He is good at hypocrisy and has double standards. What contradicts the official Chinese point of view, he will ignore or prevaricate. Personally, I have a feeling that he is working for Chinese official structures.
          1. +2
            28 May 2024 16: 06
            I have to applaud you for this and it gives me a different perspective on the Jewish mentality.

            This also illustrates the fact that we all know that China and Russia will not join forces because many people still claim that China is a vampire and covets Russian territory even when Russia is in a difficult situation.

            Even statements such as China does not publish maps of its borders are spread in the mouths of self-proclaimed smart people like you, who should be looking for the published borders of China in Yandex, and not me providing them to you!



            Personally, I have a feeling that he is working for Chinese official structures.


            Well, even if, as you say, people working for the Chinese government lack trust - who told you that conclusion? Who told you that you have natural justice?

            Jews, do not do evil.
            1. +1
              28 May 2024 17: 03
              I have to applaud you for this and it gives me a different perspective on the Jewish mentality.

              This also illustrates the fact that we all know that China and Russia will not join forces because many people still claim that China is a vampire and covets Russian territory even when Russia is in a difficult situation.

              Even statements such as China does not publish maps of its borders are spread in the mouths of self-proclaimed smart people like you, who should be looking for the published borders of China in Yandex, and not me providing them to you!


              Don’t worry so much, drink green tea and meditate or something.

              We all know that the Russian Federation and China have no mutual claims.

              But with your extremely aggressive texts you are planting the seed of doubt not only about your level of proficiency in the Russian language. But also the fact that you may not support the policies of the CPC and its leader - but this is not good at all.
          2. +2
            28 May 2024 16: 44
            hi
            The issue of “territorial issues” is well known and it is unlikely that our Chinese interlocutor would add anything.

            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%9A%D0%9D%D0%A0#%D0%91%D1%8B%D0%B2%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0
            "Territorial issues of the People's Republic of China"

            But it’s still interesting what new trends are happening in part of the South China Sea: trampling around in the “identification and exclusion zones” cannot last long.

            As for working for structures - IMHO, in that case he would have immediately played the last card. But with the Chinese, it is not clear where the state still exists, and where there is no longer a “spilled sea” of private initiative.

            IMHO according to SABZH - nothing particularly useful (unlike Taiwan), all this southern Chinese fuss with handicraft islands will not bring.
            And in the case of Taiwan, the “embrace” policy has too much stick and too little carrot.
            But, as they say, “we would like their problems.”...
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                1. -1
                  28 May 2024 17: 28
                  My Russian is not very good, I can only sing “The bird cherry tree is swaying under the window”, “Nightingales”.

                  But why are you talking about the policies of the Communist Party? You don't even know a single Chinese character, but you tell me "Communist Party politics."

                  Well, I don't ask much from you. Have you already learned how to find standard maps issued by the Chinese government on the Internet?
                  1. +2
                    28 May 2024 17: 35
                    My Russian is not very good,

                    It will do.
                    Only your political position is like that of the renegades from Taipei.

                    Well, I don't ask much from you.

                    It is right.
                    1. -2
                      28 May 2024 17: 45
                      Only your political position is like that of the renegades from Taipei.


                      It's funny, but I have more aggressive words for the Taiwanese: "The tallest building in your Taipei is the tent from which you climbed into the bomb shelter."

                      The other guy is National Taiwan University of Science and Technology Associate Professor Lin Bao-hung, a Ph.D. in Physics from the University of Chicago. When he showed off his PhD from the University of Chicago on the forum, that didn't stop me from saying that you don't have a PhD in "physics", but your diploma says "Experimental Physics", a discipline that everyone knows requires more less IQ. Your diploma says "Experimental Physics", and everyone knows that this subject requires even less intelligence.
      2. ANB
        +2
        29 May 2024 00: 26
        We have expanded our island, based on the fact that we consider it our territory, just as we build a house, a railroad within our own borders.

        Well done.
        You shouldn't be attacking the aator. He quite impartially described the work of the PRC on the islands of the South China Sea.
        I have only one bad feeling about this - envy.
        I want Russia to be able to do this too. At least on the mainland. We are still very far from reclaiming the islands.
        This is necessary, there are no planes at the airfield yet, but hangars have already been built. Eh :(
  8. 0
    28 May 2024 10: 26
    What if there is a tsunami......
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  9. -1
    28 May 2024 12: 14
    The islands are alluvial, the area is small, everything is crowded - one rocket and gone. The only military value is the radar stations and the jump airfield.
    1. +5
      28 May 2024 12: 37
      Quote: Jacques Sekavar
      The islands are alluvial, the area is small, everything is crowded - one rocket and gone. The only military value is the radar stations and the jump airfield.

      It depends on what kind of missile, if it has nuclear warheads then yes. Yes But this is true for any stationary object. When using conventional ammunition, it would take a lot of such missiles to destroy an airfield on the island. Taking into account the fact that the enemy will also not be confronted by the weakest Chinese fleet, and combat aircraft based at the airfield are unlikely to sit there indifferently when cruise missiles approach, one must still be able to destroy artificial islands without suffering losses.
  10. +3
    28 May 2024 12: 37
    Congratulations to China for planning and constructing these artificial islands for military purposes in this region of the world. Then it's true that there can be extreme natural events, but I think that if they built them, they thought about it too.
  11. +2
    28 May 2024 13: 27
    in the event of a global conventional conflict with the United States, unsinkable aircraft carriers

    But in case this conflict, their unsinkability has a downside. They are immobile, their coordinates are known, and therefore more vulnerable to missile attacks and are not capable of autonomously defending themselves without the distraction of naval forces to cover them. But on the other hand, they allow the area to be controlled to the beginning of the conflict, which is important
    1. 0
      31 May 2024 05: 47
      Now the criticism has arrived, after a long flood of the telegram troll wanna...
      You have clearly noted that
      unsinkability has a downside

      Plus, these Ostravas must be mined so that the enemy does not get it...
  12. +2
    28 May 2024 15: 12
    Allies, sir..
    For now, yes, the focus of their attention is there. But there is an ocean. Their land borders on us, and I think that when they want land there, too, many “ancient maps” will appear, on which the Chinese sailed all the way to Chukotka under some kind of emperor.
    1. -2
      28 May 2024 19: 30
      I saw even more outrageous statements on this site: our tanks will pass through Kazakhstan into the interior of Russia
  13. +3
    28 May 2024 18: 41
    Thank you, very interesting about alluvial islands.
    1. +4
      29 May 2024 02: 35
      Quote: merkava-2bet
      Thank you, very interesting about alluvial islands.

      Andrey, welcome!
      Our all-knowing, categorical and sometimes hysterical Chinese friend, Bath, made us fellow countrymen. lol For a number of reasons, I have not been abroad, but I do not lose hope, and someday I may visit your area.
      1. +3
        29 May 2024 16: 28
        You are welcome to our warm lands, comrade, to the envy of your comrade wanna.
  14. 0
    4 July 2024 20: 14
    Great article, respect to the author... I read it with pleasure... and the whales are great, what can I say