Weapons with double curved blades from India, Sudan and... Penza

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Weapons with double curved blades from India, Sudan and... Penza
The inscriptions on the blades... They could tell a lot if... in our same local history museums, their employees would have thought to invite someone who knows Arabic to read them. And who among us knows him? The inscription on the blade of one of the scimitars from the collection of the Penza Regional Museum of Local Lore. Author's photo


“Give me the case,” I said, “for I am an outcast among my family and my saber is wet with the blood of my cousin.”
"Kim." R. Kipling

History weapons. In Rudyard Kipling's novel "Kim" it is not said with what kind of saber the old man, who served the government during the days of the Rebellion as a young native officer, hacked to death his cousin. The main thing is that he hacked to death, fulfilling his duty to the commander-sahib. However, it can be assumed, and quite conclusively, that such a saber was a talwar - a traditional Indian saber, although translated from Sanskrit this word means “sword”. Oh-oh, what a wonderful weapon it was - a blade made of wutz - cast damask steel, and gold or silver trim koftgari - a small inlaid pattern across the entire surface of the metal parts of the handle and crosshair. Moreover, the hilt of the talwar was very unusual: it had an obligatory thickening in the middle and a pommel in the shape of a round disk with a dome-shaped protrusion in the middle, from which a curved pin with a ball at the end often protruded, which served as an original continuation of the handle. In general, there were many similar forms, and each of them had its own name.




Very beautiful inscription, isn't it? Just what does it mean?

They wore the talwar on a belt or on a sling, throwing it over the shoulder. Its appearance dates back to the 13th century, but it gained the greatest popularity in Northern India during the Mughal era and enjoyed it until the mid-19th century. It was the favorite weapon of the Rajputs from Rajputana.


In this photo, not only the inscription is clearly visible, but also the characteristic curve of the scimitar blade...

Most Westerners call this Indian saber "Tulwar" and classify it as a sword (often spelled "Talwar Sword" or "Tulwar Sword"). The name is believed to be derived from the Sanskrit word "Taravari". But in Russian pronunciation and spelling, a soft sign is added to this name. The Talwar could be used by both cavalry and infantry. Interestingly, both the blade and the hilt were often decorated with inscriptions, which today not only increase the value of each such “sword”, but also contain information that would otherwise hardly ever become known.


The inscriptions on the blades are made using notch technology: recesses are made on the blade into which brass, copper or gold wire is driven and polished along with the metal surface of the blade

As a rule, on the blades there is an appeal to Hindu deities if the owner was a Hindu, or to Allah if he was a Muslim, as well as the name of the owner of the “sword” and the year of its manufacture. There are also regional variants of the ornamental handle. For example, the Lahore hilts are known for having a particular style of gold overlay; flowers and tendrils. In addition, they are characterized by the shape of the handle in the form of a thick vase and the inscription in Punjabi (Sikh language).


For some reason, this scimitar is precisely dated to 1738. Maybe it was written on it somewhere in Arabic? The handle is made of bone, trimmed with silver. But the work is rough...


Another scimitar from the collection of the Penza Regional Museum of Local Lore, and also with a handle of very rough workmanship and, moreover, poorly repaired at the time. But here’s the problem: the master who could restore it cannot do this because he does not have the appropriate certificate. But he can’t get it, because he can’t restore anything for testing. Sending this scimitar for restoration to Moscow is very expensive and the museum simply cannot afford it. Such a vicious circle on a local scale turns out... Although this problem is typical for all regional museums in Russia

However, what interests us most is not the inscriptions or even the unusual hilt of this saber itself (although a number of VO readers asked questions specifically about the hilt), but the blade of the talvar. There are 10 types of Indian blades: khanda, patissa, sosun patta, katti, kirach, sirohi, tegha, tulwar and golia or shamshir. The most popular among them are three types. Shamshir is a Persian cutting blade, which we wrote about in the previous material, but with a “pot-bellied” Indian handle attached to it. By the way, the very name “golia” means “circle”, which directly indicates the curvature of the shamshir blade.

The handa is a truly double-edged sword with a basket hilt and a guard, often lined with velvet on the inside. The blade is always straight and widening towards the tip. It is considered the oldest example of Indian edged weapons, appearing in the 2nd century AD. Sirohi has a light blade with a slight bend. The tegha, on the contrary, has a very wide curved blade and is believed to have been most often used as an execution weapon.

But today we will be most interested in the blade sosun pata (translated from Urdu as “lily flower”)... After all, in fact, this is a real scimitar, since its blade has “sabers” about a meter long, and you can imagine how powerful the blows could have been inflicted on her!


Blade sucker patta (1771-1799). The blade is curved forward, single-edged, with two narrow fullers. The splints are long and bulb-shaped. The pommel has the shape of a disk with a central dome and a curved spike. The spike is broken and repaired. A wide protective bow is attached to the guard and pommel. Attached to the inside of the guard and bow is a red velvet cushion lined with leather. The handle is covered with durable fabric or leather. Blade length: 775 mm. Total length: 963 mm. Weight: 1,285 kg. British Royal Arsenal, Leeds

So the scimitar shape of the blade was characteristic not only of ancient swords such as mahaira, kopis and the same eastern scimitars, but also of India and Nepal, where not long, but short blades, but also of reverse curvature - kukri, spread. There was already an article about them in VO in 2016: To kill something prettier: just kukri ... Everything was described there in detail, and it is easier to re-read it than to give examples from it in this material. We’ll just point out that examples of edged weapons with a reverse curved blade were not at all uncommon; they were used very widely in many countries, and the matter was not limited to scimitars alone.


The nine-inch long kukri is the typical kukri of the Nepalese Gurkhas. Author's photo

Well, now we will tell you about another interesting dagger with a reverse curvature of the blade, and a very peculiar and whimsical shape - the dagger of the Hadendoua tribe.


Here it is - a dagger of the Hadendoua tribe! Externally, this weapon has an X-shaped handle and a moon-shaped front part of the blade with double-sided sharpening. Such daggers were used in Sudan in the 16th-19th centuries, as well as in neighboring countries. Penza Regional Museum of Local Lore. Author's photo

The British had a chance to encounter these weapons in 1898 at the Battle of Omdurman. Then the Hadendowa used such daggers to tear the tendons of British horses and camels. In general, daggers of this form were also used by other Sudanese tribes, but they are always associated with the Hadendoua tribe. Usually warriors wore this dagger in their belt or on their shoulder (usually the left), to which it was attached with leather straps. Historians associate the hadendowa dagger with the Indian chilanum dagger and Celtic daggers. In reality, this could have taken place, since trade ties existed between these regions already in ancient times. But how can this be installed now? Yes, in principle, no way, since we don’t have a “time machine” at our disposal, and we can make any assumptions. There is, for example, another assumption that this dagger came from the Arab dagger jambia, and it acquired an X-like handle already in Africa...


On the ricasso of the hadendoua dagger from the collection of the Penza Regional Museum of Local Lore, an Arabic inscription embossed on it is clearly visible. I wonder what it could mean?


There is also an inscription on the opposite side, but there are no inscriptions on the blade itself
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  1. +5
    8 June 2024 05: 11
    The specifics of the form are purely oriental - cut the throat, rip the tendons, rip the stomach... Fencing or knife fighting won't really work.
  2. +3
    8 June 2024 09: 26
    There are 10 types of Indian blades: khanda, patissa, sosun patta, katti, kirach, sirohi, tegha, tulwar and golia or shamshir.
    The handa is a truly double-edged sword with a basket hilt and a guard, often lined with velvet on the inside. The blade is always straight and widening towards the tip. It is considered the oldest example of Indian edged weapons, appearing in the 2nd century AD.

    If the experts have more or less figured out the classification of European cold weapons, then they have not yet figured out the Indian ones. Obviously, this Niva is still waiting for its harvester.
    Handa - "It is truly a double-edged sword with a basket hilt and a guard often lined with velvet on the inside." It only appeared in this form already in the 17th century. Obviously - “under the impression” of European weapons. And the one who "considered the oldest example of Indian edged weapons, appearing in the 2nd century AD", up until the 17th century, it had a classic Indian handle. And it is called patissa. That is, patissa is also khanda, but with a classic Indian handle, and there are nine types of blades. In the first photo - patissa, in the second - khanda.
    1. +1
      8 June 2024 11: 22
      Quote from Frettaskyrandi

      While experts have more or less figured out the classification of European edged weapons, the Indian ones are not yet very clear. Obviously, this field is still waiting for its harvester.
      The evolution of swords in India in 6 parts:
      https://dzen.ru/a/ZfvN3yuDexqThO8o
      https://dzen.ru/a/Zf00Dme0pFiAC2wU
      https://dzen.ru/a/Zg-Trx9qnUeez2ii
      https://dzen.ru/a/ZkrkyN2-kEJVTtwA
      https://dzen.ru/a/Zk23U1GwEAMwUSGJ
      https://dzen.ru/a/ZlQn4bQ63GGuwnCS
      1. +1
        8 June 2024 11: 29
        Thank you, of course, but Zen as a source of information does not interest me.
        1. +2
          8 June 2024 11: 32
          You should at least take a look: there is information there that is much more detailed than in this article and there are more photos. And there is a classification that you asked about. Moreover, not by choke, but by era.
          1. +2
            8 June 2024 11: 56
            Thanks again, I'll certainly take a look, but I don't think that after Egerton, A description of Indian and oriental armour or Paul, E. Jaiwant, Arms and armour: traditional weapons of India, I'll see anything new there.
            1. +1
              8 June 2024 22: 37
              There are many articles about edged weapons, but I haven’t seen a single one yet (perhaps it would be a whole series of articles) that would explain the intricacies of blades. Sometimes it’s “sawed”, sometimes it’s curved “inside out”. Well, there was some practical meaning, right? Sometimes there are explanations, but I haven’t seen it “on the shelves” at least roughly laid out. Maybe I missed it. Always wondered "why"? But I would like to see an explanation from people who understand this issue in the style of “this dagger is like that because it confidently pierced the skull through the viewing slot of a knight’s helmet” or “this sword did not slide across the armor, and for this it has such a cunning shape.” I think I’m not the only one who would be interested! Maybe one of the authors will decide?
              1. 0
                9 June 2024 17: 32
                I won't write an article. Explanations? This is possible) The author of the article, of course, is not in the know; he is only interested in coinage, attribution, in order to sell the blade at a higher price. Traders...
                Option one - kukri.
                Heavy blade of considerable size. This form is intended for a strong slashing blow that bypasses the armor. European-style tournament armor is not intended for combat, it is just window dressing, too heavy and uncomfortable.
                Real armor consists of several fortified zones and vast free spaces. Strengthening - in the way of a direct or simple chopping blow. The kukri strike allows you to maneuver the chopping surface, bypassing the armor plates. The best example of such a weapon is the scimitar.
                Option two - hadendowa. The best example of this is the Malayan Flame Criss. This shape of the blade allows you to inflict a huge wound at once with a direct, jabbing blow. Such a wound causes extensive bleeding, a painful shock, which instantly leads to the enemy leaving the battle, so that he cannot strike back.
                By the way, a blow with a Soviet bayonet led to the same result. Until some traitors replaced it with a dagger blade, which is many times more dangerous for the soldier using it, but looks good in photographs.
                Something like that...
          2. 0
            9 June 2024 17: 15
            More photos. Absolutely useless photos of blade decoration, reducing its strength, and of no interest to those who are interested in WEAPONS, at all.
    2. 0
      8 June 2024 13: 23
      Quote from Frettaskyrandi
      While experts have more or less figured out the classification of European edged weapons, the Indian ones are not yet very clear.

      For example, I somehow liked the sword-whips! good
      1. +2
        8 June 2024 13: 29
        swords-lashes

        Urumi. More like a whip, rather a belt.
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        4. +1
          8 June 2024 19: 38
          Quote from Frettaskyrandi
          Urumi. More like a whip, rather a belt.

          Look at the video from Beresta on YouTube: “Urumi-the flexible sword of India”... (I was unable to move the video to VO!) There the author distinguishes between the concepts: “sword-belt” and “swords-lashes”! Yes, they are similar! Yes, they are confused! But there are, as in the joke, “nuances”! wink
  3. 0
    8 June 2024 10: 16
    Interesting!
    I would really like to see drawings of the cross section. From simply piercing the cardboard and carefully pulling it off the blade, to a more complex action with two pieces of wax and a film separator. The cross section of the blades carries a lot of information about their manufacture.
    I have a suspicion that the reverse curve or hook shape of the blade hints at not only combat, but also economic use for making a passage in the thickets. Since reverse curves gravitate towards areas with lush fibrous vegetation. And the guard of the "Blade sucker patta" is also extremely strange. The bow in the plane of the blade is suitable as a branch deflection when cutting a passage, but the guards of purely combat weapons protect the back of the hand with "whiskers" that are outside the plane of the blade. Why there is a spike on the guard is generally unknown. But one thing is certain - iron in ancient times was very "laborious" and giving the weapon the property of a household tool for getting through the thickets was quite rational. Especially in India, where heavy rains and fertile soil accelerate the growth of weeds.
    because he can’t restore anything for testing

    What prevents him from making an exact replica, showing his skills?
    1. +1
      8 June 2024 11: 10
      The cross section of the blades carries a lot of information about their manufacture

      And what kind of “multiple information” does the cross section convey about the manufacture of blades?
      1. +1
        8 June 2024 11: 26
        I have a suspicion that the reverse bend or hook shape of the blade hints at not only combat, but also economic use for making a passage in the thickets.

        The photograph shows a dagger of the Beja people, who inhabit the northeastern regions of Sudan, that is, the Libyan and Nubian deserts. In what thickets of "lush vegetation" do they make passages there?
        1. +1
          8 June 2024 22: 41
          Sorry, but I can’t get my head around this, but how did they manage to put it in this sheath? Somehow they inserted it into the side, like a Soviet comb?
          1. 0
            8 June 2024 23: 17
            Somehow they inserted it into the side, like a Soviet comb?

            Yes something like that. This is clearly visible in the photograph.
      2. 0
        9 June 2024 08: 51
        Quote from Frettaskyrandi
        What kind of “multiple information” does the cross section convey about the manufacture of blades?

        Manufacturing technology
        Hardness
        Weight distribution
        Likely Application
        Quote from Frettaskyrandi
        dagger of the Beja people inhabiting the northeastern regions of Sudan, that is, the Libyan and Nubian deserts.

        As one topographer said, “for the Sahara to cease to be a desert, all the goats and goatherds must be killed.” Desertification probably occurred after the advent of the traditional knife
        Quote: Fast_mutant
        How did they manage to put it in this sheath?

        Slot in the middle. A very nasty thing, by the way it can be found on chickens
        1. 0
          9 June 2024 09: 06
          Desertification probably occurred after the advent of the traditional knife

          From a climatic point of view, the Sahara became a desert approximately 5 million years ago.

          Manufacturing technology

          So, were blades of different sections made using different technologies?
    2. 0
      8 June 2024 11: 33
      Quote: eule
      I have a suspicion that the reverse bend or hook shape of the blade hints at not only combat, but also economic use for making a passage in the thickets.
      Or ritual.
  4. +4
    8 June 2024 10: 24
    The decision of the Administration is curious, which on weekends publishes two works by Shpakovsky at the same time, forcing the latter to compete with himself for the interest of forum members!
    Thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich for the work posted above. Good day to the campers!
  5. +2
    8 June 2024 10: 33
    The inscriptions on the blades... They could tell a lot if... in our same local history museums, their employees would have thought to invite someone who knows Arabic to read them. And who among us knows him? Inscription on the blade of one of the scimitars from the collection
    I absolutely don’t understand this “Yaroslavna’s cry”! On this resource, the Arabist historian Pavel Gusterin is present as the author. Why not contact him? I think Pavel will not refuse such a small amount and will not even ask for money.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
  6. 0
    8 June 2024 18: 56
    Well, now we will tell you about another interesting dagger with a reverse curvature of the blade, and a very peculiar and whimsical shape - the dagger of the Hadendoua tribe.

    There is a feeling that this dagger is just a small “khopesh”. This intricate form has no practical meaning (unlike its full-size ancient Egyptian prototype), it is simply a tribute to tradition.
  7. 0
    11 June 2024 22: 52
    Even though in the first photo the inscription is upside down and mirrored, it looks like a not quite correctly written shahada.
  8. 0
    12 June 2024 20: 35
    Somehow sluggish. Photos are not informative. And the constant "spitting" at the Russian Federation is jarring. Ok, you hate communists, now it's capitalism. Without a certificate, take a chance and restore something in Leeds. Where will they send you?!? An anti-Soviet is always a Russophobe! Remove politics, write about weapons, it will be much more interesting and pleasant to read.