Russian resources report the dismissal of the commander of the 20th Army, Sukhrab Akhmedov.

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Russian resources report the dismissal of the commander of the 20th Army, Sukhrab Akhmedov.

Following the purges on Frunzenskaya Embankment, changes began in the active army. Information has emerged that the commander of the 20th Army, Sukhrab Akhmedov, has been removed from his post, Russian media reported.

At the moment, it is known that Lieutenant General Sukhrab Akhmedov was dismissed; the wording of the order is not given. According to the co-chairman of the coordination council for the integration of new regions at the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Rogov, Akhmedov was transferred to the disposal of the Ministry of Defense, there are no other details.



So far, Suhrab Sultanovich has just been released, but informed sources report that the situation is developing. This is the implementation of the words of the new Russian Defense Minister Andrei Belousov about the need to take care of our soldiers.

— Rogov wrote in his TG channel.

Sukhrab Akhmedov was born in 1974 in Grozny, graduated from the Novosibirsk Higher Command Combined Arms School in 1996, and graduated from the M.V. Frunze Military Academy in Moscow in 2005. Over the years, he was a regiment commander, commander of the 155th Separate Guards Marine Brigade and held leadership positions, including deputy chief of the Pacific Coastal Forces fleet. In the Northern Military District since the beginning of the special operation, since December last year he was appointed commander of the 20th Army.

We will wait for further developments; at the moment, further “starfall” is predicted.
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  1. +57
    23 May 2024 20: 13
    General Akhmedov did not feel sorry for the Russian guys. Well, you shouldn’t feel sorry for him. Moreover, he won’t survive without a general’s pension.
    1. +40
      23 May 2024 20: 20
      I think under his command there were guys of many nationalities, but he didn’t feel sorry for them either. Since they didn’t have enough stars on their uniforms to think about such
      1. +26
        23 May 2024 20: 33
        No matter how much I am particularly happy about the change of the Minister of Defense to a “civilian” one, I am already happy, maybe not everyone is happy, but there is movement.
        1. +67
          23 May 2024 20: 46
          Quote: NIKNN
          No matter how much I am particularly happy about the change of the Minister of Defense to a “civilian” one, I am already happy, maybe not everyone is happy, but there is movement.
          Did you really consider Kuzhegetovich a military man?
          1. -18
            23 May 2024 20: 53
            Quote from: topol717
            Did you really consider Kuzhegetovich a military man?

            Well, not quite of course, but the organization of the Ministry of Emergency Situations is closer to the military than to the civilian one, at least it excludes emotions of a political nature, and honestly, if it is the life of the people and the country and not selected individuals, it should be put at the forefront, well, it may be chaotic, but so it seemed. Kozhugetovich is far from the Ministry of Defense as well as Golikova from health care, but the result is more important, the army under Kaozhuketovich has become better than under Stoolkin
            1. +14
              23 May 2024 21: 03
              Quote: NIKNN
              the army under Kaozhuketovich became better than under Stoolkin
              Here I completely agree with you.
              Now I’m even afraid to imagine how they wasted money in the Moscow Region under “stool”, even if under Shoigu they were not shy about anything.
              1. +8
                24 May 2024 00: 01
                Well, at least because Kuzhugetovich brought “his guard” to the Moscow Region.
                And he probably covered them as best he could, until the last moment.
                I haven't been transferred yet.
                1. +6
                  24 May 2024 00: 30
                  Quote: alystan
                  Kuzhugetovich brought “his guard” to the Moscow Region

                  Here, the other day, they showed one “grandeika”. The lips are plump, bow-shaped, the chest is elastic - a cute infection. The fact that this “guard” will be purged from the Moscow Region is good (probably). Although, one worthy comrade who encountered the pretty ones said that the pretty ones’ issues were resolved more effectively than the personnel issues.
                  1. +6
                    24 May 2024 04: 14
                    Well, this guardswoman is a press secretary, that’s how she should look.
                    1. +13
                      24 May 2024 09: 12
                      Quote: Igor Viktorovich
                      Well, this guardswoman is a press secretary, that’s how she should look.

                      With shoulder straps of a "Colonel General"?
                      Is it true “Silver on Black”?

                      Everything that has been going on in the RF Ministry of Defense since the very beginning of the liberals’ power is some kind of Circus of Freaks. Either a uniform “from Yudashkin” with amazing caps... Then girls of model appearance in general positions... Some kind of shady personalities under Shoiga in the swings, waves and heads of departments... More often with non-Russian surnames. Even Ivanov is Timurr.
                      1. +3
                        25 May 2024 11: 15
                        Quote: bayard
                        Everything that has been going on in the RF Ministry of Defense since the very beginning of the liberals’ power is some kind of Circus of Freaks.

                        You speak the truth. Here's what Peskov is worth... Pomandel, without saying anything, for a couple of million a month and an eagle... laughing Who is he really? Damn friend, he left his family, married, following the example of his friend, to a young man and the main character is like the main one. Well, personal relationships are like that, I was also divorced, which I regret, I really wasn’t quoted as a hero laughing But I don’t like liberals together.
                  2. +3
                    24 May 2024 10: 45
                    Why should our press secretaries of the Defense Ministry look the same as that black pig-bull Linda Thomas-Greenfield from the United States at the UN? what
                    1. +2
                      24 May 2024 16: 03
                      Quote: Rage66
                      Why should our press secretaries of the Defense Ministry look the same as that black pig-bull Linda Thomas-Greenfield from the United States at the UN? what

                      good laughing crying lol good hi
                      Five-headed semiyukh!
                2. +4
                  24 May 2024 16: 00
                  That’s how we could go through the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the prosecutor’s office with the Investigative Committee! This is where the field is not plowed! And don’t forget the Russian Guard. Well, then you can take a swing at the “holy of holies”, walk around the Caucasus... am
                  ps After stripping, it will be possible to equip more than one military hospital with golden toilets!
                  1. +5
                    24 May 2024 16: 03
                    It would be better to start “cleansing the filth” from the Kremlin. But there are no even hints of this. Everyone sat and remained in their places.
                    And below these are all their proteges and protégés.
                    1. +2
                      24 May 2024 16: 06
                      We also worked with oligarchs for a long time, then scarves came into use. So it is here. Whoever doesn’t come to his senses will have nothing to think about...
                      1. +5
                        24 May 2024 16: 11
                        The horror is that all these Ministry of Internal Affairs, State Prosecutor's Office and Investigative Committee "merged" with the oligarchs, many of whom started in the UCP, and now they simply carefully hide their essence. And they all know about this, but now they live in compliance with “a certain legal framework” that is favorable to them.
            2. +14
              23 May 2024 21: 03
              And how did the Army improve in the Army blogger’s stool test? Taburetkin completed the task that was assigned to him. How you did it is the second question. The army that planned and took Crimea has nothing to do with the blogger’s father-in-law.
              PS I'm not a fan of the stool.
              1. +12
                23 May 2024 21: 06
                Who set the task for Taburetkin, let’s start with this, but in the army professionals are still preferred, what if there’s a war?
                1. +13
                  23 May 2024 21: 11
                  It was the war that showed what the blogger’s father-in-law was like. The GDP set the task for Taburetkin - to clear out the “stables”, but it was the blogger’s father-in-law who was supposed to build the New Army... But it didn’t work out
                  1. +6
                    23 May 2024 21: 17
                    You know, even now I’m ready to fight for the taburekin after your opinion. It’s not about Taburetkin or Kozhuketovich, it’s actually about us, every people deserves the ruler they deserve. I’m not against our president, he forced others (he’s not the only one, of course) to take our country into account, while I’m glad about this, and I think that the fact that purges are taking place in the Moscow Region is not without reason.
                    1. +14
                      23 May 2024 21: 27
                      Believe me, Monsieur Serdukier was the best defense minister. and they threw him there not so that he could rebuild the army, but so that he could eat the cockroaches that bred there in the 90s and after the 1st Chechen war took root and could not be uprooted. They tried to put them in their place by putting a civilian, it was Ivanov, he was an intellectual and the military did not put him in his place, so they sent a cannibal cockroach and he did everything successfully. It was under him that they began to supply new equipment to the troops and develop new ones. CIA agent (for me this is a fact) Shoiga came and threw away all the developments and projects. and ruined intelligence. in Crimea and the beginning of the Syrian campaign she was excellent, but after 2 years she was blind and deaf
                      1. +12
                        23 May 2024 21: 32
                        Will a cockroach eat cockroaches? It’s like a starving rat will eat everyone else. Yes, it seems that his merits have not yet been disentangled.
                      2. +14
                        23 May 2024 21: 34
                        You don’t know a damn thing what Serdyukov really did.
                        under him, regular exercises began, under him, pilots' flight hours increased from 2 to 3 times, depending on the type of aviation, under him, new developments began, under him, new equipment went into production. and all this was buried by Shoiga.
                        In Crimea, I saw the difference between Serdyukov’s army and Shoigu’s in Ukraine.
                      3. +10
                        23 May 2024 21: 35
                        I forgot to add, the pilots’ flight hours increased without the allocation of additional fuel....
                        and where did the fuel come from? and from where they should have been before, they simply stopped poking at him.
                      4. +20
                        23 May 2024 21: 37
                        Quote: LuckyBlog
                        under him, pilot flying hours increased from 2 to 3 times, depending on the type of aviation, under him new developments began, under him

                        What are you talking about, and are you trying to sell me a pilot? Please don't make me laugh anymore. I respect your opinion, but don’t touch where it hurts. Answer me, how many flight schools did Serdyukov take into obscurity?
                      5. +2
                        23 May 2024 21: 38
                        If you are a real pilot, then tell me what kind of flight time you had in 2006 and 2010?
                      6. +3
                        23 May 2024 21: 54
                        Quote: LuckyBlog
                        If you are a real pilot, then tell me what kind of flight time you had in 2006 and 2010?

                        I retired at 35 in 1998. But I know that during the Serdyukov period the flying time went up to minus levels, when there was a minimum flying time even within the limits of perestroika, and as far as I know, the flying time in combat units dropped to about 25 hours a year, which did not even allow the class to be extended, a 1st class pilot had to have a certain amount of flying experience both in PMU and at a minimum for combat use. Don’t argue with someone who is in the know, it won’t look right
                      7. +2
                        23 May 2024 22: 00
                        I’ve been interested in military equipment since childhood and was registered on military resources back when they first appeared on the Internet (late 90s, this is not the first or even the third account here, because I was always banned for criticizing) and I remember very well in 2007 there was a fight about The flight time of pilots here, in the states and in Israel, and then the flight time was 25 and in some parts 40 hours per goal. in 2008, in some units the flight time was already 80 hours, in 2010 the average fighter flight time was already 125 hours, but this is not enough and at least 200 are needed, but 125 and 25 is like a big difference, in the military aviation it already reached 200 (but there We flew for work, but before that we flew for work infrequently for some reason).
                      8. +6
                        23 May 2024 22: 06
                        I clarified (you probably read it first) in my previous comment that I am talking about raids in different types of aviation. I say what I know for sure. I respect people who love aviation. Regarding bans, well, here you need to be more restrained and not get caught up in provocations, I’m also not the first to open an account hi
                      9. 0
                        23 May 2024 22: 15
                        I’m also telling you about the numbers, and we all drilled those numbers on the forums with those who served as to whether it’s true or not. Often those who served did not talk about a specific number of hours (a ban, such as secret, although I don’t see anything secret about it) and simply wrote - yes, the hours worked have increased significantly.
                      10. +6
                        23 May 2024 22: 21
                        Once again, there is no secret here, different numbers, but what are you talking about? strategists have a flight time of at least two to three hours, fighters generally have a peacetime limit of 3 hours per shift and, as a rule, one, maximum two flights per shift, you need to talk about the raid in application to problems. But I’ll also tell you that under Serdyukov (well, please believe me) the armed forces (aviation specifically) fell to nowhere, maybe he didn’t start it, but he continued with dignity. The point is not even in the raid, although for a pilot this is more than important, the point is in the approach to the defense capability of our country.
                      11. -4
                        23 May 2024 22: 52
                        Did the good use of aviation in Syria (at the beginning of the company) come about on its own or did Shoiga set it up in a couple of months?
                      12. +7
                        23 May 2024 23: 01
                        Quote: LuckyBlog
                        Did the good use of aviation in Syria (at the beginning of the company) come about on its own or did Shoiga set it up in a couple of months?

                        Well, let's not knead the water bowl. One person cannot decide the destinies of all people. Of course, Shoigu is not a criterion for both our successes and failures. We just need to find the culprit or the hero. Shoigu cannot plan an operation; many people are doing this. I will surprise you, but you know that the hated rear services play a very big role in the fact that the operation was successful (as strange as it may sound). Who would provide the operation with ammunition, fuel and much more. But we see what we see, and what is not seen is unknown to us. I, too, once felt about this... well, like everyone else, but when I faced it, I was wrong, this is life, guys.
                      13. +3
                        24 May 2024 17: 11
                        To be fair, Serdyukov completely destroyed aviation schools, the military medical academy, etc. In Irkutsk, IVAIU trained military aircraft technicians. She no longer cooks - the school was destroyed.
                      14. +2
                        23 May 2024 21: 52
                        Tell me, how many flight schools did Serdyukov take into obscurity? Well, for starters, let’s assume that at least 1/3 was taken out very long before Serdyukov - in the 1990s....
                      15. +3
                        23 May 2024 22: 13
                        And this was also the case, but he made a significant contribution (not his own, but a collegial one).
                      16. +4
                        23 May 2024 22: 30
                        And this was also the case, but he made a significant contribution (not his own, but a collegial one). produce pilots for China? If practically no military aircraft were produced?
                        In our helicopter regiment in the Mi-8 squadron in 1998 there were 2 flying aircraft. That's it... The rest of the flyers walked around and whined, “Well, let me fly for the sake of my service!”
                        What's the point that Syzran released an armful of flyers - if there was nothing to fly with...
                      17. +3
                        23 May 2024 22: 35
                        Quote: your1970
                        What's the point that Syzran released an armful of flyers - if there was nothing to fly with...

                        Well, this period is not only familiar to you. Let's better think about good things for the coming sleep. I encountered this back in the nineties, not everyone could even confirm their class, there was no time to defend the homeland, even if it was to feed the family.
                      18. -1
                        23 May 2024 22: 58
                        What would all these “removed” schools be doing now? What set was in KVVAUL in 2014 and what release in 2016? How many were recruited in 2018 and did all graduates take up positions upon arrival in the regiments?
                      19. +2
                        23 May 2024 23: 06
                        Quote: Sorus
                        did all graduates take up positions upon arrival in the regiments?

                        You made me smile. In general, if there were no military schools, who would need these officers at all? Maybe they are not needed in the Military District now? Are you aware that right now there is a shortage of lieutenants, company commanders and those nearby? It’s critically lacking, and you know, this is really Serdyukov’s global merit, I’m not even talking about the pilots, but draw a parallel. I definitely won’t give you a plus for this global result wink
                      20. -1
                        23 May 2024 23: 18
                        KVVAUL does not prepare "comrot and nearby". And the schools closed by Serdyukov did not prepare them.
                      21. +1
                        24 May 2024 01: 16
                        I regret that you persistently did not understand what I wanted to tell you, apparently I am not particularly convincing. But the cons are not mine, I respect the opinions of others
                      22. 0
                        24 May 2024 04: 18
                        Not only the pilots, but also everyone else, since the elderly generals were sitting there. Serdyukov did everything right, he practically blew up the army and began reorganization.
                      23. +1
                        24 May 2024 11: 01
                        Holy shit, you are a Leninist, destroy everything to the ground, and then, and then the question is, and then what? And apparently a criminal case was opened against him under the article for patriotism? laughing
                      24. 0
                        23 May 2024 22: 47
                        He still had a problem. The components for the equipment were foreign-made. Including Ukrainian.
                      25. -3
                        24 May 2024 05: 05
                        Agree with you . Everyone was criticizing Serdyukov, but he did more for the army in 5 years than Shoigu did in 10.
                      26. +5
                        24 May 2024 07: 16
                        Well, everyone knows about the new technology. Italian Centaurs, French UDC. I wonder what the Russian version would fight on today if he had survived to this day?
                      27. +2
                        23 May 2024 23: 30
                        Will a cockroach eat cockroaches? It's like a starving rat eats everyone else
                        - They eat their own kind wonderfully.
                      28. +2
                        23 May 2024 21: 37
                        LuckyBlog, I agree with you. That's what I tried to say, only you did it better.
                      29. 0
                        23 May 2024 21: 39
                        in our country (and not only in our country, it’s the same everywhere) people judge only by what the loudest people tell them, and they don’t care much about what happened behind the scenes
                      30. 0
                        24 May 2024 07: 24
                        List all the new equipment delivered to the troops during his stay in the Ministry of Defense.
                      31. +2
                        24 May 2024 12: 18
                        Quote: LuckyBlog
                        a CIA agent came (for me this is a fact) Shoiga

                        What are you talking about “The Crusader of Malta”? What the Order ordered him to do, he did.
                    2. +6
                      23 May 2024 21: 32
                      Agree, if you look at how Crimea was planned and implemented and how the Northern Military District was planned and implemented, at least at the initial stage, there are two big differences. In Crimea, every fighter knew his place and maneuver. And the interaction of the Army with special services and with the local population was organized. The same Kherson was taken competently (you can look at the “oil workers’ park”), but in Kherson itself, confusion began, although the Russian Guard acted there, or rather did not act. Well, as for “reckoning with our country,” you can argue for a long time, but with such a “loyal” environment, it’s hardly possible to achieve more.
                      1. +4
                        23 May 2024 21: 44
                        Vladimir. hi I don't argue, it's not my prerogative. I just say what I think, and I think with what I have. I don’t think that a specific person planned and carried out the transition of Crimea, etc., and we will be a hero for this later, and even probably by our descendants. But now I’m grateful to him, maybe they’ll judge me later. And my credo as a military man is “THE ENEMY WILL BE DEFEATED.” This is how I was raised and raised.
                      2. +2
                        23 May 2024 21: 48
                        I agree, the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours. But if you look at how Crimea was planned and how the Northern Military District was planned, you get the impression that it was planned not just by different people, but also in different countries and different armies.
                      3. +2
                        23 May 2024 22: 01
                        Quote: Vladimir M
                        but also in different countries and different armies.

                        I have doubts here too. :?(
                    3. +1
                      24 May 2024 01: 01
                      And now he has shown that there is no need to be considered. There was a lot of PR and window dressing, everything burst in an instant.
                    4. +1
                      24 May 2024 09: 41
                      Reckon with our country using red lines. Our territories are being shelled by the enemy, who is someone’s brother. The weapons are supplied by someone's partners. Under him, after the start of the Northern Military District, the country is not considered anything. In Europe there is a lot of talk about a war against Russia
                      1. +1
                        24 May 2024 11: 46
                        Quote from Deon59
                        In Europe there is a lot of talk about a war against Russia

                        Are you talking about Macron? Never mind, this homosexual animal is escalating the situation to order. America clearly knows, and we have warned, that some “red lines” should not be crossed.
                      2. +2
                        24 May 2024 12: 56
                        No, not about Macron. My daughter lives in Holland and she asked a question about the war. There, all over the news there is talk about the start of a war with Russia.
                      3. +1
                        24 May 2024 13: 02
                        Quote from Deon59
                        No, not about Macron. My daughter lives in Holland and she asked a question about the war. There, all over the news there is talk about the start of a war with Russia.

                        Well, what did you want? I am not against your daughter living in Holland, I am even for it. This is not about us “sinners.” Someone asked you how you want to live? Today we are convincingly told “how we should and want to live”
            3. +3
              23 May 2024 21: 08
              Quote: NIKNN
              the army under Kaozhuketovich became better than under Stoolkin

              Why do you think that this is his merit? Maybe it is the merit of his competent subordinates. Maybe if you put another reindeer herder in place, it would be even better. This abscess had been building up for a long time, and now it burst. How the best defense minister of all times, Pavel Grachev stormed Grozny on New Year’s night, and the army entered Ukraine
              1. +1
                23 May 2024 21: 11
                Yes, I don’t think it’s his merit, I’m just stating the facts. As they said, that’s what he did, they just do it differently. I said in front of him, it wasn’t neon that did it. Please excuse me for the interpretation of words. hi
          2. +5
            24 May 2024 02: 46
            Oh well! ... let's see what happens next with the country's "new" defense minister!
            BUT! if you look back at recent history, the story of V Putin
            Let's say starting with P Grachev! ... sad! almost a criminal
            And Sergeev... something, but nothing
            With Ivanov... it’s not clear, but there are no achievements.
            And Serdyukov! - horror! destruction of the concept of army. But the most important thing is the terrible destruction and destruction of military education. Aircraft structures.
            With Shoigu... hmm, draw your own conclusions, although very soon they will be obvious!
            And the most important thing is that ALL of them are under one permanent Commander-in-Chief!
            Maybe the problem is not with them? And in the system! which is created for them.
            1. +2
              24 May 2024 04: 15
              Quote: Breard
              Maybe the problem is not with them? And in the system! which is created for them.

              The problem is that they are forced to serve not the Fatherland, but the one who appointed them to the position.
              1. 0
                13 June 2024 12: 02
                Yes, did you... decide to tell the truth, someone is asking you. “We” have a time today when we “need” to speak “correctly” “patriotically”
                Well, that's why you do it!
            2. -1
              24 May 2024 09: 50
              The commander-in-chief is a liberal. He creates a liberal system, preserves and protects big business in every possible way (which is close - essentially an oligarchy). Therefore, the concepts: the interests of the country and the interests of business come into conflict. For example, the country needs the so-called the southern corridor from St. Petersburg to the Indian Ocean, and business needs quick profits. Everything is a dead end. When will it be built? Mikheev S.A. says that this corridor has been discussed since the early 2000s, for 20 years. How much more do you need?
              Yes, he himself appointed and reappointed Serdyukov, although that same Munich speech had already been delivered, from which it was clear that conflict with the West could not be avoided. So, I wonder who you are appointing, I don’t understand who to such a position. Shoigu, at least a little, according to his knowledge and experience, corrected the situation. Now, in my opinion, Putin has appointed his possible successor and his choice is correct. Let's see
          3. +2
            24 May 2024 04: 14
            Quote from: topol717
            Did you really consider Kuzhegetovich a military man?

            Military or not, let it rest on the conscience of a military man of the same position as the Supreme Commander. One was putting on a show, the other was watching... I’m even at a loss at what hour he SUDDENLY saw the light, that the stars were falling, as if treason was being prepared in the Moscow Region...
            All that the removed (suspended) military personnel are charged with is theft (bribes) on an especially large scale.
            As for military construction, it was not the Temple of All Rus', not biathlons and not exhibitions with concepts that needed to be dealt with. Just how can a person who is far from service determine the purpose and compliance of the characteristics of weapons with the SHOULD?!
            * * *
            The army is a cast of our society, part of a built state in which professionalism and professional suitability have replaced servility and devotion to the body.
            * * *
            Concerning:
            Quote: SoboL
            Here, the other day, they showed one “grandeika”. The lips are plump, bow-shaped, the chest is elastic - a cute infection.

            Here's an old song:
            It may be more pleasant to share profits with a beautiful woman.
          4. +1
            25 May 2024 01: 28
            I gave you a 63rd plus :) But when I wrote earlier (like a year ago) that Shoigu had a military rank from nowhere, and not a small one at that, to which the lucky ones in the army take 20 years to grow up to, then they gave me minuses.
            Or are people really so zombified that they can only watch out of the box when it’s allowed on TV???
        2. +6
          23 May 2024 20: 49
          The domino effect, however, began a meteor shower in the Ministry of Defense.
          1. +3
            23 May 2024 20: 55
            Quote: Terenin
            The domino effect, however, began a meteor shower in the Ministry of Defense.

            Stars don't die, they simply disappear from our sky. wink
            1. +7
              23 May 2024 21: 41
              They then rise again, on the horizons of commercial structures.
              1. +3
                23 May 2024 22: 14
                Quote: Al Manah
                They then rise again, on the horizons of commercial structures.

                Unfortunately.
                1. 0
                  24 May 2024 07: 06
                  It just so happens that it is prestigious to have a general on your staff, and it’s the same all over the world. As one general friend said: “General is not a rank, general is HAPPINESS!” smile
                  1. +2
                    24 May 2024 11: 49
                    Quote: Al Manah
                    "General is not a rank, general is HAPPINESS!"

                    So yes, but not always. I have a classmate (we graduated from military school together), a general, but he took it and agreed to retire, although he was a careerist by nature, it’s not so easy to stay happy there. wink
                  2. +1
                    24 May 2024 22: 51
                    It just so happens that it is prestigious to have a general on your staff, and it’s the same all over the world. As one general friend said: “General is not a rank, general is HAPPINESS!” smile
                    Reply
                    Quote

                    This is no longer the case everywhere. The goal of any LLC is development, profit and security. As a rule, generals are active only during their first months of work in the LLC due to previous connections. Then the connections weaken due to the general’s phobia - fear of refusal...
                    LLC is not an army, you really need to work here, how you work is how you earn money.
                    I know firsthand.
            2. +1
              24 May 2024 04: 16
              Quote: NIKNN
              Stars don't die, they simply disappear from our sky.

              Were these stars? Maybe sparks from the eyes?
          2. +7
            23 May 2024 21: 21
            Terenin
            The domino effect, however, began a meteor shower in the Ministry of Defense.

            This should have been done much earlier. I used to serve in large headquarters and saw such boors with big stars, remembering, I want to spit.
          3. 0
            24 May 2024 02: 51
            No...
            starfall
            it doesn't smell here.
            It’s just that there were only one people at the financial trough of the Moscow Region, they “lived well and happily”, well, they really want to exchange them for “new” ones, just different ones.
        3. +7
          23 May 2024 21: 01
          “No matter how much I am particularly happy about the change of the Minister of Defense to a “civilian” one, I am already happy, maybe not everyone is happy, but there is movement.”
          The generals have degenerated so much that literate civilians who have occupied the highest positions in the army are much more useful than medal-bearing lamp-bearers. They can learn and quickly understand the essence of the problem.
          1. +1
            23 May 2024 21: 04
            Quote: belost79
            The generals have degenerated so much that literate civilians who have occupied the highest positions in the army are much more useful than medal-bearing lamp-bearers.

            I kind of agree and disagree. If war happens, then I would like to see professional military personnel as a priority. But at the moment I agree that it’s time to cleanse the army.
            1. -1
              23 May 2024 21: 14
              Quote: NIKNN
              If war happens, then

              The Supreme Commander-in-Chief and Chief of the General Staff will command. So military professionalism is here to stay.
              1. +2
                23 May 2024 21: 20
                Banal truths are difficult to dispute. I hope that the commander-in-chief will really command, and the chief of the general staff will really plan victories. wink
                1. 0
                  24 May 2024 09: 44
                  Are you sure this is the third year of SVO and it’s not clear what’s what?
              2. +3
                24 May 2024 04: 25
                Quote: antiaircrafter
                The Supreme Commander-in-Chief and Chief of the General Staff will command. So military professionalism is here to stay.

                What nonsense are you talking about?!
                It’s clear that Gerasimov’s professionalism will not go away, but where will VGK get it from? What strategic things did he do in the past, BEFORE THIS? Was in charge of DOS? Dispersed a crowd of five thousand people with a pistol? Did you work so well with Sobchak that a criminal case was opened against the mayor? Took his former boss to a NATO country for treatment? Walked through the corridors of the Kremlin until the EBN, who had gone crazy with intoxication, named him his successor?
                Oranges will not be born from aspen!
                They were promoting it to us here about the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, that he and the shvets, and the reaper, and the dude.
                Only our war is not a toy war and people do not kill in it for fun!
                1. +1
                  24 May 2024 06: 36
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  It’s clear that Gerasimov’s professionalism will not go away, but where will VGK get it from?

                  Why are you shining a wedge on the individual? Note, I didn’t name names at all. For the Supreme High Command and the National General Staff are, first of all, positions. And if the National General Staff is appointed, perhaps even based on the professional qualities of the applicant, then the High Command in our case is elected. Whoever we have chosen or will choose in the future will be the one who will rule.
                  By the way, what did the Supreme High Command of the last war become famous for before the war? What coverage, detours and maneuvers? Well, of course, he took part in the Civil War; before that, according to legend, he took banks in Tiflis. Or do you think he personally developed Stalin’s strikes? Something tells me that this was done by specialists from the Supreme Command Headquarters and the General Staff.
                  So, dear ROSS, you need to look at questions more broadly, and treat people more gently (c)
            2. +7
              23 May 2024 21: 21
              Quote: NIKNN
              . If war happens, then I would like to see professional military personnel as a priority. But at the moment I agree that it’s time to cleanse the army.
              And who is "professional" military??
              Someone who worked for 20 years PMCs - planned “local wars” and won them, without general’s shoulder straps (without being tied to specific individuals...)
              Or the one who “worked” at the district headquarters for 20 years and rose to the rank of army general...
              Which of these two “professionals” should we trust with the army?
              hi
              1. +5
                23 May 2024 21: 30
                You know, your question confuses even me (a professional military man). You see, I know how to do what I dedicated my life to, like this... but in confusion...., You know, I will answer with words (not mine) There is such a profession as defending the Motherland. So whether you’re a military man or not, if you defend your Motherland, that means honor and praise to you, but if you’re lining your pocket, then who are you? It’s difficult to say who is trending now; I’m afraid that the homeland and the pocket are now in deep opposition, which is sad.
                1. +4
                  23 May 2024 21: 52
                  Quote: NIKNN
                  There is such a profession as defending the Motherland...
                  В 1991g who from professional defenders stood up for the defense of the Motherland-USSR...
                  Now we are eating the “porridge” that was then brewed and allowed to escape from the cauldron.
                  1. +5
                    23 May 2024 22: 11
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    In 1991, which professional defender stood up to defend the Motherland-USSR...

                    A serious question, even difficult to adequately answer. Believe me, even now there are people and professionals who are ready and love their Motherland. I hope, yes, I hope, life is such a thing that what prevents her from living, she herself will eventually cross out, well, development cannot take place without trial and error, and what happens is simply the path along which we follow
                2. +1
                  24 May 2024 04: 28
                  Quote: NIKNN
                  So, whether you are a military man or not, if you defend your Motherland, that means honor and praise to you, but if you fill your pocket, then who are you?

                  good
                  So, whether you are a military man or not, if you defend your Motherland, that means honor and praise to you, but if you line your pocket, then you are a scoundrel, a traitor, an enemy of the people and the Fatherland, and your place is in prison (at best).
                3. 0
                  24 May 2024 12: 01
                  "Benjamin Braddock:
                  If you were the Secretary of Defense, what would you do on your first day?
                  Erik Prince:
                  I would fire every general and force him to submit a one-page document stating the reasons why he should be returned. Simple, right? We would simply ask them: What are you doing to fulfill our role in protecting this country from threats? And then have them describe it."
                  It would be interesting to conduct such an experiment.
                  1. +1
                    24 May 2024 12: 04
                    Quote: Ryazanets87
                    It would be interesting to conduct such an experiment.

                    It’s interesting, of course, I imagined myself in this role and you know what I saw? They probably would have shot me even without charges, just like that. laughing
              2. +1
                23 May 2024 21: 46
                “worked” at the district headquarters and rose to the rank of army general...
                They don’t grow to such sizes, but break through, pushing the others with their elbows and exposing them to more than one leg...
          2. +1
            23 May 2024 21: 08
            Quote: belost79
            “No matter how much I am particularly happy about the change of the Minister of Defense to a “civilian” one, I am already happy, maybe not everyone is happy, but there is movement.”

            Do you think all these things just started? I am more than sure that it takes half a year, or even a year, to investigate each episode. So Shoigu’s removal is most likely just a go-ahead to the relevant authorities.
        4. +2
          23 May 2024 23: 48
          If there was movement in the right direction, wait and see? wink
          1. 0
            24 May 2024 04: 37
            Quote: Frank Muller
            If there was movement in the right direction, wait and see?

            And in thirty-three years nothing has become clearer? We need to wait another three days (or 12 years?) to state:
            “Well, it didn’t work out!!!”
            * * *
            The highest criterion for the correct development of a country is the prosperity and well-being of the people inhabiting it and the increase in the number of these people. At the same time, you need to feed your army, and not the oligarchs and “neither sew nor fasten”, and people should be judged not by the length of their tongue and the “bending” of their back, not by their full pocket and fattened mug, but by their deeds FOR THE GOOD OF THE FATHERLAND!!!
      2. +4
        23 May 2024 22: 56
        Not even three years have passed, as they say...
        How many guys did he kill, how many equipment did he lose? And what guys! The 155th brigade of the Pacific Fleet is practically the most combat-ready at the front. Together with another character overthrown today, he received a colonel general for his “exploits”...
        1. +1
          23 May 2024 23: 21
          And he is removed not for professional incompetence, sabotage and/or betrayal, but for some kind of bribe of 3 million rubles. And a message to others - you can be an unprofessional general, destroying your own troops and materiel, but you cannot get caught taking bribes.
          1. +1
            23 May 2024 23: 25
            There is such a concept as the social demand of society. Lately, the authorities have begun to pay a lot of attention to him, because no matter what happens, it’s better not to anger a Russian peasant... That’s why they decided to take Popov out of the pre-trial detention center and under house arrest, since many at the front didn’t like his arrest...
            1. 0
              23 May 2024 23: 34
              Yes, there is, the rulers are afraid of the people. Garbage reform began due to a sudden public gathering in Volokolamsk, for example. Our generals in the Northern Military District stopped showing some kind of initiative in June 2022 after Severodonetsk and Lisichansk, you know who began to take the rap for them. And again the generals began to move only after you know who went towards Moscow. And if you strain your memory, a couple of months before this the army was retreating near Artemovsk (only now Kleshcheevka was taken), suddenly there was a raid in the Belgorod region, where Lapin led the waving of his hands near the infantry fighting vehicle, planes were shot down at the border, and in general the counterattack would break through. It’s interesting, if our men were bolder and our security forces were more principled, then there would be rallies like “hands off Motovilikha!”, “We demand to investigate where the stolen uniform went!” or "Down with the blogger's son-in-law!" - Would they force the authorities to move towards victory or would they traditionally rush to fight with their own people?
              1. +4
                24 May 2024 03: 50
                And again the generals began to move only after you know who, they drove towards Moscow.
                - you know who, first of all, killed ten Russian pilots and did not even ask for an apology from their widows and children. Do you seriously think that these people you know who would begin to eradicate corruption? At best, they would have killed two or three of their personal enemies, and led the rest. I know five generals. All chicks of Serdyukov's nest. They will not only sell their Motherland, they will sell their own mother for five undenominated kopecks and won’t blink an eye. All five of them have only money in their eyes. One of them officially spent 62,7 million rubles according to documents. for cosmetic repairs of a barracks building with an area of ​​150 sq.m., i.e. 418 thousand per sq.m. with the price for a new building at that time being 40 thousand rubles. per sq.m. They tried to infiltrate him into the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation. I was pleased with the answer - you are not part of the control plan, but there is no plan and there is no trial. After that, it became clear to me why in 1937 generals and marshals were put against the wall in batches. I would put all five of them, along with those you know who, against the wall and I wouldn’t dream of bloody boys after that.
              2. 0
                24 May 2024 04: 41
                Quote from alexoff
                Garbage reform began due to a sudden public gathering in Volokolamsk

                And how did it end? Now you can load a cart of garbage, take it to the designated place, hand it over and get money?
                Or is it all according to the old scheme: bury and burn?
                1. +1
                  24 May 2024 12: 28
                  It ended the way things usually end for us. The people calmed down, the topic was hushed up
        2. +1
          24 May 2024 12: 04
          Pavlovka and Ugledar - it’s hard to remember what this “Suvorov” did there, together with Muradov
    2. +23
      23 May 2024 20: 46
      During the Ugledar events, for my comment about the fact that Akhmedov and Muradov did not feel sorry for the Russian guys, I earned a warning from the moderator on this site. And now - there it is... It is the highest permission to write such things without any bans.
      1. +6
        23 May 2024 21: 09
        Quote: UAZ 452
        It is the highest permission to write such things without any bans.

        It's not evening yet and it won't be too late. Moderators hand out bans under the cover of darkness.
    3. +5
      23 May 2024 21: 06
      Quote: antiaircrafter
      General Akhmedov did not feel sorry for the Russian guys. Well, you shouldn’t feel sorry for him. Moreover, he won’t survive without a general’s pension.


      And why did someone abolish the criminal law in our country? What is the general’s pension? Deliberate misinformation by the higher leadership of the Army during the Northern Military District.
      1. +3
        23 May 2024 21: 15
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        What is the general's pension?

        Probably big. But that is if the court does not deprive him of his title. On the other hand, length of service will not go away.
        1. +3
          23 May 2024 21: 59
          Probably big. But that is if the court does not deprive him of his title. On the other hand, length of service will not go away. if the court deprives him of his title, he will have 20 years of work experience WITHOUT pension contributions - that is, a bare social security... belay belay
          But “I am tormented by vague doubts...” (C)
      2. +7
        23 May 2024 23: 25
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Deliberate misinformation of the Army's senior leadership during the Northern Military District.

        But in our country, did they punish someone for lying in reports? Or for lining up a squad in open areas under enemy attacks? Or for attacks on minefields without suppressing enemy artillery? Or for one and a half million sets of uniforms? Or for theft from the state defense order? Or for the collapsed fleet? No, we either took bribes and stirred up trouble past the boss, but the worst thing is if he looked askance at this boss.
      3. +1
        23 May 2024 23: 27
        There was so much screaming and movement about Serdyukov, but in the end he was back in office...
    4. +1
      23 May 2024 21: 16
      antiaircrafter
      Moreover, he won’t survive without a general’s pension.

      He will remain if he is demoted to private and fired for military crimes.
      ....... I don’t think this will end with Akhmedov alone.

      Most likely this will happen. We are waiting with.
      1. 0
        23 May 2024 21: 35
        But is a penalty in the form of reduction of rank, and by so many levels, provided for in the charters and other legislative acts at once? Deprivation of a military rank is another matter, but then he is not worthy of the rank of private. Is it possible to deprive a pension if you already have length of service for it - let the legally savvy forum members explain. It seems that this is also impossible, but I’m not sure.
        1. +2
          23 May 2024 21: 37
          UAZ 452
          Is it a penalty in the form of a reduction in rank, and by so many steps?

          That's right, sir, it is provided for military crimes.
          1. 0
            23 May 2024 21: 51
            No, there is deprivation of rank, dismissal from the ranks without the right to wear a uniform. Private is a military rank, deprived of a higher one, and is not worthy of it. Perhaps now through repeated conscription, but this is already from the legislative acts about the conscription of prisoners to the Northern Military District, I don’t even want to discuss this aspect, about new heroes and the elite...
        2. +3
          24 May 2024 04: 48
          Quote: UAZ 452
          It seems that this is also impossible, but I’m not sure.

          Let's check:
          In accordance with the requirements of Art. 48 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (hereinafter referred to as the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation), when convicting a person for committing a grave or especially grave crime, taking into account the identity of the perpetrator, the court may apply to the perpetrator, as an additional punishment, deprivation of a special, military or honorary title, class rank and state awards. Thus, this type of punishment is applied if a person has committed a serious or especially serious crime. It does not matter that the sanction of the article does not provide for this additional punishment; it is applied on the basis of Art. 48 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation...
          ...After the verdict comes into force, all legal consequences (including social benefits, pensions, etc.), related to the conferment of a special, military or honorary title, class rank and state awards, stop working. Upon entry into force of the sentence, the sentence is sent to the person or department that awarded the convicted person a special, military or honorary rank, class rank, state awards, to resolve the above issues....

          https://www.khabkrai.ru/officially/Informaciya-dlya-naseleniya/Prokuror-razyasnyaet/174051
          1. 0
            24 May 2024 09: 32
            Thank you, you resolved my doubts. This means your military pension can be taken away.
    5. 0
      24 May 2024 06: 42
      alas, even after court decisions and deadlines, such people are not deprived of “privileges and titles”
    6. 0
      24 May 2024 19: 31
      Something is not clear...
      20th Army of Tajikistan... belay
    7. +1
      25 May 2024 00: 27
      Prigozhin also didn’t feel sorry for the Russian guys and they didn’t feel sorry for him...
  2. +12
    23 May 2024 20: 14
    There are generals by vocation, smart and fair, but unfortunately there are undistinguished people who simply wear general's shoulder straps. Moreover, the ambitions of the latter are exorbitant.
    1. -2
      23 May 2024 20: 49
      Quote: Good
      There are generals by vocation, smart and fair

      I'll tell you a terrible secret: in the army an intelligent person will achieve nothing, there the mind only gets in the way.
      As they say, there was no team to think. The task of a military man is to carry out orders, and the more accurate the execution, the sooner he will be promoted to rank or position.
      1. 0
        25 May 2024 00: 31
        that is, do you propose to question every order or execute it wisely?
        The first rule in the army is that the commander is always right!
        2nd rule in the army - if the commander is wrong, then look at the first rule
    2. -3
      24 May 2024 04: 51
      Quote: Good
      There are generals by vocation, smart and fair, but unfortunately there are undistinguished people who simply wear general's shoulder straps.

      Yes There is “Colonel”, there is “Comrade Colonel”, and there is “hey, Colonel”...
  3. +19
    23 May 2024 20: 17
    Then, in four days, the brigade lost about 300 people and lost almost all its equipment.


    They also organized a formation near Kremennaya, they waited for him for a couple of hours... And then Khaimars arrived and as a result there were many dead. sad
  4. +27
    23 May 2024 20: 19
    Was it possible to remove the outright saboteur only on the occasion of the next inauguration? This cannot be done due to the discovery of this sabotage?
    1. +1
      23 May 2024 21: 12
      Quote from alexoff
      This cannot be done due to the discovery of this sabotage?

      The queen’s honor is beyond suspicion. I think Prigogine also made his contribution when he criticized and went to Moscow. In fact, for 2 years, Karl, they criticized the Moscow Region
    2. +1
      23 May 2024 21: 12
      Quote from alexoff
      This cannot be done due to the discovery of this sabotage?

      Excuse me, but how will you find out if only “ideal” reports come from this general about the destruction of hundreds of tanks, thousands of artillery mounts and vehicles. And so every day, and then people laugh at Konashnekov. As if he himself had to destroy everything. I’m more than sure there were notes everywhere, including losses and numbers of the enemy.
      1. +2
        23 May 2024 21: 30
        I heard we had a commander who liked to collect all sorts of reports, find inconsistencies there, and then communicate with the author of such a report about what he found. But these days are not the same times, no one apparently says: “I gave you a trillion, I sent you for drones, there were no Russian drones, money?”
      2. +1
        23 May 2024 21: 43
        I.V. Stalin was able to partially solve this problem with the help of headquarters representatives under the commanders.
        If the boss does not have mechanisms for checking the reports of his subordinates, then what and who is he in charge of? Is such a leader needed at all?
        1. 0
          23 May 2024 22: 00
          Quote: UAZ 452
          If the boss does not have mechanisms for checking the reports of his subordinates, then what and who is he in charge of? Is such a leader needed at all?
          Who are you asking this question to? to me?
          1. 0
            23 May 2024 22: 07
            If you didn't write these lines:
            Excuse me, but how will you find out if only “ideal” reports come from this general about the destruction of hundreds of tanks, thousands of artillery mounts and vehicles?

            that means not for you.
            Any manager, at all levels, has one of the items in his job responsibilities that he must monitor the activities of his subordinates, the timeliness and adequacy of the execution of his orders. If a leader is not capable of this, then he will not even be able to manage a rural bathhouse, let alone...
    3. 0
      24 May 2024 04: 54
      Quote from alexoff
      Was it possible to remove the outright saboteur only on the occasion of the next inauguration?

      So, you need to understand that the new president will not turn a blind eye to the mistakes of the old one...
      There is such an expression: demonstrative spanking.
      Let's see the results...
    4. 0
      24 May 2024 06: 44
      it is forbidden. and the most amazing thing is that there are no questions to the bosses and the main “boss” about this, just how the rats ran. and with transfer to other positions.
  5. +6
    23 May 2024 20: 20
    Has this “hero” really received a well-deserved reward?
  6. +12
    23 May 2024 20: 21
    "... thanks to the reports of the Minister of Defense addressed to the President that are inconsistent with reality..." How is that? Is it really possible for our President to lie with impunity?
    1. +6
      23 May 2024 20: 24
      Is it really possible for our President to lie with impunity?
      - given the reassignment of Manturov quite....
    2. +6
      23 May 2024 20: 29
      Is it really possible for our President to lie with impunity?
      It’s possible, but not for everyone. Here Merkel and the company lied - they can get away with impunity, but this one will be punished (and it was possible a little earlier for his “merits”).
    3. +8
      23 May 2024 20: 40
      Quote: golen
      Is it really possible for our President to lie with impunity?

      But they're lying. And not only the military. Ministers lie just as much, if not more.
      1. +2
        24 May 2024 04: 59
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        But they're lying. And not only the military. Ministers lie just as much, if not more.

        I would like to ask, have you seen an organization (enterprise, association, firm) where the income of the head is an order of magnitude less than the income of his subordinates?
        I have never met. Conclusion: everything here is based on lies. If only this lie looked decent...
        1. +2
          24 May 2024 08: 16
          Quote: ROSS 42

          I would like to ask, have you seen an organization (enterprise, association, firm) where the income of the head is an order of magnitude less than the income of his subordinates?

          I, like you, not only have not seen, but have not even heard of such lawlessness laughing
          But there was a moment in my life, though only one, when I was reproached by the boss. the workshop is that my earnings almost reached the salary of the plant director.
          I was so ashamed laughing
          P.C. We had piecework wages and bonuses.
    4. +5
      23 May 2024 21: 09
      Yes, the guarantor is no stranger to lying: the “import partners” have had a blast, and their noodle makers generally have carte blanche due to their proximity to the “body”.
      1. 0
        26 May 2024 17: 14
        I forgot something, as they call people who are too trusting in Russia, can you remind me?
    5. +1
      23 May 2024 22: 18
      Is it really possible for our President to lie with impunity?
      whom IN THE EYES(!!!) Did Zhigarev lie?
      And what did he have to do with it?
      Apparently they shot him? Impaled? Was the head cut off?
      Oh, No...
      1. +2
        24 May 2024 06: 45
        Of course you can, as you can see. because no one is responsible for anything. and it’s not difficult to deceive him - he himself is happy to be deceived. again he was deceived again
    6. -2
      24 May 2024 04: 56
      Quote: golen
      How is that? Is it really possible for our President to lie with impunity?

      Most likely, you can carry a blizzard with impunity or say what they want to hear.
      The President, who is not God, cannot comprehend everything.
      1. +2
        24 May 2024 06: 47
        but he is not supposed to hug and because of his duties. Yes, and it’s not even a good idea to strive to be responsible for something—it’s the same blah blah—let’s just talk about the blizzards about the Pechenegs and the Polovtsians and about Lenin and Stalin—everyone is to blame—but not him. it turns out to be some kind of Quartet from Krylov’s fable.
  7. +18
    23 May 2024 20: 23
    I really hope that the Marines (who were lucky to survive), under the strict leadership of this “general” near Ugledar, will not forget, after graduating from the Northern Military District, to fully “thank” this comrade for the “work done” am
    1. +1
      23 May 2024 20: 36
      And how do you think they will “thank” this “comrade”? The fact that this “comrade” was removed is already a big plus.
    2. +2
      24 May 2024 06: 48
      That comrade is unlikely to live here. from such comrades. everything is not here, but there. Yes, it won’t even live in its own Chechnya. Shall I herd the sheep?)
  8. Aag
    +5
    23 May 2024 20: 26
    Oh!...
    Somehow, “suddenly”, everything became cloudy in MO... AH-AH!... No one had seen, noticed, or suspected before... They gave the command, - It’s gone!...
    It’s a pity that, for sure, those who are not involved, and even those who deserve it, will suffer (Popov (?), - I don’t know, I don’t have reliable information, - but it seems that he is a victim... (((...
    1. +3
      23 May 2024 20: 31
      Quote: AAG
      They gave the command - It’s done!...

      In the army, nothing is done without a team.
      1. Aag
        +3
        23 May 2024 20: 34
        I know. This was the case before... Nowadays, politicians rule in everything...
        Naturally, for the most part, across. hi
    2. +3
      23 May 2024 20: 51
      By the way, six months ago they washed the bones of the ukrogenerals... And they themselves....
      1. Aag
        +2
        23 May 2024 21: 29
        Everything goes one way. (I don’t know who planned it... Globalists?)
        Everything that the former Union Republics went through - REPEAT!!! Later, due to scale, inertia...
        From what is sharper, according to UA...
        Try to remember how they mocked the “Kraken”* / forbidden... /, - they say, the “Ukrainians” are already rowing people out of the zones!
        Less than half a year has passed since they began to elevate domestic prisoners into heroes! The legal framework was adjusted in some places, but lost in others...
        IMHO: the idea, from the very beginning, was clumsy... I don’t beg the merits of the Prinozhin guys at all! Especially against the backdrop of the failures of the Moscow Region...
        BUT this is not correct from the beginning!!... Were there not enough Patriots? There weren’t enough floating, airborne churches?!
        ... Curses... I was banned repeatedly for emotions... The previous time - “forever”...
        It turned out that “VO” has a separate department))) for working with “banned” people! (?).
        No, he didn’t “enter” anything, didn’t issue subscriptions... They rehabilitated!!!
        Thank you!...
        1. +2
          24 May 2024 06: 50
          both the department and the nasalnik) and are identified and banned) and more often for political reasons)) and not for the fact of anything else
    3. +6
      23 May 2024 21: 13
      From such news, the loyal ecstasy becomes weaker and weaker! How deep the rot has penetrated!
      1. Aag
        +4
        23 May 2024 21: 35
        Well formulated!
        My friend, colleague, would have said exactly this...
        However, nowadays such statements are often regarded as Western worship, betrayal...
        And I think so - not to notice, to hush up problems, at a minimum - this is betrayal!
      2. +2
        24 May 2024 06: 51
        well, obviously already somewhere in the area of ​​the caudal fin) we also blow bubbles for them and draw lines. not the head.
  9. fiv
    +3
    23 May 2024 20: 28
    It looks like an avalanche is starting. And it seems that in our country voices are heard not only by those near us, but also by those far away. I hope it will become cleaner not only in the Ministry of Defense.
  10. +7
    23 May 2024 20: 31
    It looks like it will soon be possible to form a battalion of penal prisoners from the generals
    1. +2
      24 May 2024 06: 52
      you wanted to say a battalion of hereditary parasites on a state pension and with preserved benefits and regalia.
  11. +9
    23 May 2024 20: 37
    [/quote] But Akhmedov was a protégé of the no less notorious Rustam Muradov.[quote]

    Very revealing names.
    Just don't accuse me of xenophobia.
  12. +10
    23 May 2024 20: 40
    The star has found its hero.... Amen... am I wrote back in October here on the forum... My colleague died near Coal.... From my platoon.... in 2000 they trampled mud in Chechnya.... from the formidable, Komsomol and beyond... soldier
    1. 0
      23 May 2024 21: 15
      Without essentially objecting, I will still note that Ugledar had to be taken either bypassing, as they are doing now, or its high-rise buildings had to be leveled to the ground. There is more politics or lack of ammunition than the ability to command.
      1. +2
        23 May 2024 21: 40
        Believe me, everything was fine with the shells in Artyom... and Zhenya didn’t speak for them... Now a year later, everything is different... Right now Volchansk is being burned out with buratos.
  13. -1
    23 May 2024 20: 48
    According to the co-chairman of the coordination council for the integration of new regions at the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Rogov, Akhmedov was transferred to the disposal of the Ministry of Defense, there are no other details.

    There is also information that the army commander was sent on leave and temporarily removed from command of the army.
  14. 0
    23 May 2024 21: 19
    Resignations, detentions... . These are unrelated events. You have to look at the personality. The purge is carried out among those who are honest, literate, and inconvenient. They are afraid of the new Prigozhins, now in the ranks of the senior command. Looks like it's burning. The “new” old Secretary of the Security Council continues to take revenge and spoil things. Mediocrity! sad
    1. +2
      24 May 2024 06: 54
      Your logic is strange, I would even say stupid. What prevented that “secretary” from doing the same inside his department, quietly, without taking it out of the hut, sweeping it under the carpet? think with your head)).. it’s not those who are sweeping and not him) it’s still untouchable - for some reason it remains despite all these arrests. and here either it is a complete zero as a manager that this happened under him, or all this happened with his direct participation and management. there is no third)))
  15. +4
    23 May 2024 21: 33
    Release Popov, arrest Akhmedov. It will be right!
  16. +6
    23 May 2024 21: 40
    Well, it's too early to rejoice...
    When criminal cases begin with confiscations and real sentences (as under Stalin) - then it’s a different matter! And so they are removed here and then placed in another place, as if for promotion of some...
    So far, our system does not punish snickering and stealing ministers and officials at all... And they know this very well and take advantage of the concessions provided!
  17. +5
    23 May 2024 21: 45
    All the “laurels” here are attributed to Shoiga, but he is only an administrator (whether bad or not, that’s another question), and where were the professional military personnel, the General Staff? Why couldn’t they calculate and predict that the war would be the way it is? Without communication standards, drones of all types, without logistics standards, with an unprepared Navy, without air defense covering the territory of the Russian Federation. This is not Shoigu alone, but all the “strategists” in the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense apparatus
  18. +2
    23 May 2024 21: 50
    Perhaps the army's starfall is overdue. It has become necessary and even inevitable. But in the Russian Federation, personnel issues at the highest level are traditionally resolved by “rearranging the positions of the terms.” Because outsiders are not allowed to have power. And “ours” are all the same. IMHO..
  19. -1
    23 May 2024 21: 53
    While you are rejoicing here, they are already writing in the cart that Akhmedov may be getting a promotion.
  20. +1
    23 May 2024 22: 00
    So far, Suhrab Sultanovich has just been released, but informed sources report that the situation is evolving. This is the implementation of the words of the new Russian Defense Minister Andrei Belousov about the need to take care of our soldiers. — Rogov wrote in his TG channel.
    And again Rogov laughing Rogov knows, and so does the Ukrainian Armed Forces. I especially liked about our fighters. "Partizan" Zaporozhye... winked
  21. +6
    23 May 2024 22: 16
    Is this the one who likes to send personnel out into formations within the reach of the “highmars”? How many Russian soldiers did this scum kill?
    1. +1
      24 May 2024 06: 55
      people like him have probably heard the phrase about Russians giving birth more than once.
  22. 0
    23 May 2024 22: 17
    Quote: Radikal
    Resignations, detentions... . These are unrelated events. You have to look at the personality. The purge is carried out among those who are honest, literate, and inconvenient. They are afraid of the new Prigozhins, now in the ranks of the senior command. Looks like it's burning. The “new” old Secretary of the Security Council continues to take revenge and spoil things. Mediocrity! sad

    I congratulated my Friend, I have known him for 20 years. Happy birthday to him. We are colleagues, retirees. He was lucky, after his retirement he was invited to join part of the Rostec concern; in the course of his work, as we were taught to do, he revealed the excess payments for work. Simply put - theft. Naturally, he reported on command. The person who wanted to push the topic called my friend and directly said - dismissal, or signature. This is Rostec. My brother chose to be fired, while informing the Office, and then...
    1. +2
      24 May 2024 06: 56
      Well, there... someone bought another Gelik))))
  23. 0
    23 May 2024 22: 29
    By the way, why is Strelkov still in prison and why did they kill the top of Wagner?

    They also wrote and loudly voiced the problems in command and control and the chaos in the Ministry of Defense.

    And where are those military bloggers and experts who poured slander on them. Have you changed your shoes?
    1. +2
      23 May 2024 23: 34
      Quote: Factor
      Why did they kill the top of Wagner?

      For being loud. If rioters come out and start demanding something, then the procedure is extremely simple:
      1. Hang all the rebels who survived, press them to the wall, ostracize everyone.
      2. Fulfill their requirements.
    2. 0
      24 May 2024 06: 59
      why shouldn't he sit? the court has passed the decision has been made...who will win back? That’s not why they stubbornly pushed the paste back into the tube. Don't confuse cold with hot. there was a goal and such a result was achieved. this is different) who will feel better if they put him in jail? do you want me to those guys? They’ll squeeze out what they need, and maybe they’ll save something for someone else... maybe they’ll give something, conditionally. or they’ll even start shouting and then it’ll quiet down... like they’re preparing for something “higher” somewhere. Probably for a side-by-side attack. But why is he needed there anyway?
  24. 0
    23 May 2024 22: 38
    This is the implementation of the words of the new Russian Defense Minister Andrei Belousov about the need to take care of our soldiers.

    Apparently the time has come to change something in tactics, otherwise they write that already on the LBS almost 3-5 fpv drones are starting to chase one fighter who left the shelter. (ps. This is on both sides.) Armored vehicles are also not in a better position from art. fire. Both sides vigilantly monitor each other's slightest movements. Deep breakthroughs are apparently a thing of the past.
    1. +1
      24 May 2024 03: 26
      and then they write that almost 3-5 fpv drones are already starting to chase on the LBS
      ......
      Two people were chasing me. He killed one, the second sent me to the hospital. It’s evening, the trench is not wide, you can’t dodge too much...
  25. ASM
    0
    23 May 2024 22: 41
    Well, all the evil spirits need to be cleaned out - this is not discussed. But the people who actually did military affairs, and not just poked their tongues into the anus of the budget, need to be sternly warned, but perhaps spared. This is usually from colonel and below. They stole - naturally, and they slobbered on the top - otherwise they would not survive in the structure. Only in their diocese were there real fighters for whom they provided a living. Naturally, such people need to be attracted, to confiscate their illegally acquired property, but somehow I don’t want to attract them for a real period of time. It’s tempting to say “sharashka” - you can do it, go ahead, if you can’t - go “paint the tundra green”.
  26. -3
    23 May 2024 23: 04
    We will wait for further developments; at the moment, further “starfall” is predicted.
    Evgeniy Viktorovich was heard! Work continues ...
  27. +1
    24 May 2024 00: 03
    Under Joseph the “Merciless,” he would probably, in the best case scenario, have been sent as some kind of general worker to develop Siberia and Transbaikalia, or Chukotka, having previously been demoted in rank to at least a corporal. Now, most likely, they will limit themselves to a severe reprimand and sending him to a general’s pension. And in relation to other, recently famous “heroes of the occasion”, something tells me: they will get off with disproportionately light and lenient punishments. sad
    1. -3
      24 May 2024 07: 00
      Well, you’re a fantasist...before the eiritor...there were no half-measures and no one demoted anyone with this - they could have been sent...to be redeemed with blood, and not to the rear.
      1. +1
        24 May 2024 11: 25
        Not necessary. The head of the Liepaja naval base was demoted to sailor for blatant mismanagement and kicked out of the fleet without even being imprisoned. True, this was already at the very beginning of the 50s, after the war and during Stalin’s life. My distant relative, who served as an engineer major at the Liepaja ship repair plant, which suffered greatly from the tyranny of the rear admiral, told me about this. But this story was not made public at that time, just like other negative things discrediting the “impeccable image of the Soviet armed forces.”
    2. 0
      24 May 2024 11: 13
      Kharkov disaster? Who was sent?
  28. Ray
    -2
    24 May 2024 02: 39
    But Popov was arrested in vain. Is it because last year he complained about the lack of electronic warfare in our country, about the fact that our artillery hits closer than them?
  29. 0
    24 May 2024 06: 57
    There was a vigorous fuss in the ministry. I wonder if this is the last malicious corrupt official and embezzler, or will they all be shown to us?
  30. -1
    24 May 2024 07: 12
    Quote from Twilight Elf
    Your logic is strange, I would even say stupid. What prevented that “secretary” from doing the same inside his department, quietly, without taking it out of the hut, sweeping it under the carpet? think with your head)).. it’s not those who are sweeping and not him) it’s still untouchable - for some reason it remains despite all these arrests. and here either it is a complete zero as a manager that this happened under him, or all this happened with his direct participation and management. there is no third)))

    I’ll explain, for the “smarter ones” - it was necessary to get the friend out of the attack, he seemed to have nothing to do with it, it’s funny of course, the people understand everything, the officers first of all. So it’s clear - a defender of power? bully lol
  31. -1
    24 May 2024 07: 17
    Quote: Factor
    By the way, why is Strelkov still in prison and why did they kill the top of Wagner?

    They also wrote and loudly voiced the problems in command and control and the chaos in the Ministry of Defense.

    And where are those military bloggers and experts who poured slander on them. Have you changed your shoes?

    I haven’t gotten acquainted with Strelkov’s case, there’s no way, and therefore I don’t have an answer to you. Of course, I can tell my version, but no one will like it.
    Want to hear? sad
    1. ada
      0
      25 May 2024 02: 19
      Quote: Radikal
      ...Want to hear?

      Yes
  32. +1
    24 May 2024 08: 39
    "Say, Raoul, say: “Mazarin was a scoundrel.”
    - Mazarin was a Polish man.
    “... But I will still regret Mazarin.”
  33. 0
    24 May 2024 09: 14
    Interesting comments.
    Is it possible to calculate purely mathematically from a material point of view?
    Let's say he stole quiniral, so to speak, "100 million." Money left the budget. What is the equivalent of this dough (papers in the form of bills, metal circles in the form of coins, numbers in the form of numbers in bank accounts) in purely material terms?
    How many houses, fortifications, tanks, chamalets and ships with helicopters and missiles have NOT been built, how many have NOT purchased drones, have NOT put on combat boots, have NOT equipped fighters? Can you count?
    Let's try to remember “something” in March 2022. And there is “something” to remember. For example, a leapfrog with volunteer purchases of “equipment” for the fighters “over there.” And at the same time they were proud! Won! With the whole honest world, the whole country united, let's drop on the last ones and stock up the "drones"!!!!!! Well, even then, isolated and unpopular, incomprehensible concerns were leaking out among the common people, such as:
    - Guys, all “this” should have been stored in warehouses, budgets have been allocated for all “this”! (which, by the way, are already formed from the money of volunteer taxpayers; all the people in the machine have been made volunteers a long time ago from the point of view of taxes). "Where is the money, Zin?!?!?"
    BUT the embrace of cheers-volunteering made it difficult to understand this “strange” accumulation of funds in the accounts of the Moscow Region.
    Wonderful things!
    PS We bet a tank of cognac with five stars that in 2150 everything will be blamed on Serdyukov again?
  34. +1
    24 May 2024 09: 28
    Quote from A.S.M.
    Well, all the evil spirits need to be cleaned out - this is not discussed. But the people who actually did military affairs, and not just poked their tongues into the anus of the budget, need to be sternly warned, but perhaps spared. This is usually from colonel and below. They stole - naturally, and they slobbered on the top - otherwise they would not survive in the structure. Only in their diocese were there real fighters for whom they provided a living. Naturally, such people need to be attracted, to confiscate their illegally acquired property, but somehow I don’t want to attract them for a real period of time. It’s tempting to say “sharashka” - you can do it, go ahead, if you can’t - go “paint the tundra green”.


    "They stole - naturally, and they slobbered on the top - otherwise they would not survive in the structure."- allow me to object and categorically disagree! A person always has a choice: “to steal or remain honest.” Always! There are no exceptions. And “theft”, even from the point of view of the law on conservation of energy (Lomonosov brought it up?) cannot to be "natural".
    If a colonel has a salary 100-150 thousand. a “clean jeep with a car on the ruble” appeared, this is a violation of physics. DOQUANTUM. And such a somersault will definitely lead to an investigation. Both from the point of view of “cause-and-effect relationships” and from the point of view of the effect, in a purely legal, criminal, incl., incarnation. You can't fool physics. Pre-quantum, at least.
  35. pop
    +2
    24 May 2024 11: 45
    Ours loves the national people. This one killed a lot of guys.
  36. +1
    24 May 2024 13: 03
    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: Factor
    By the way, why is Strelkov still in prison and why did they kill the top of Wagner?

    They also wrote and loudly voiced the problems in command and control and the chaos in the Ministry of Defense.

    And where are those military bloggers and experts who poured slander on them. Have you changed your shoes?

    I haven’t gotten acquainted with Strelkov’s case, there’s no way, and therefore I don’t have an answer to you. Of course, I can tell my version, but no one will like it.
    Want to hear? sad

    Well, salam to you! lol
  37. +2
    24 May 2024 13: 30
    “further starfall” It is quite possible that Gerasimov has long been collecting incriminating evidence on the data of the generals.
    Only a naive person will believe that a new MO arrived and the shoulder straps immediately woke up. Without the consent of the Supreme, not a single shoulder strap will fall. So that so many shoulder straps become “deprivation”, Gerasimov made every effort...
    This is how I can see it from the tank
  38. +2
    24 May 2024 14: 29
    Yeah! Near Terny, entire columns were sent under UAVs. And more than once!
  39. 0
    24 May 2024 17: 45
    It is necessary to distinguish between parquet and combat generals. Plant the parquet soldiers, confiscate what was stolen from the combatants, forgive them and go back to war. If incompetent - with a demotion. Let him repent, return what he stole, and you give him an amnesty, so that even after the war no one can get hold of him.
    An officer and a general at the front can die any day. Service on the front line is worse than any term, and you start business with them. Demote him in rank, if necessary, and go into battle. The Wagnerites were released after the verdict. Grant amnesty to generals who have committed crimes before sentencing, subject to active repentance. What is the difference?!
    Likewise for those under investigation. They want to fight: let them open up and fight.
    .
    But parquet - to the nail
  40. +1
    24 May 2024 18: 07
    This pig should not be removed from his position but imprisoned for 30 years without any general’s pensions, he did not deserve such a pleasure
  41. 0
    24 May 2024 18: 16
    This is the implementation of the words of the new Russian Defense Minister Andrei Belousov about the need to take care of our soldiers.

    We are waiting for further information. Our top brass can surprise you so much with their decisions that you’ll either want to go to hell or go on a binge.
    And then we’ll actually see who is implementing what. For now, it is clear that the clearing is being cleared and the “pillars” of Kozhedubovich’s system are being removed. Well, the little thing is accidentally captured
  42. 0
    25 May 2024 06: 01
    Quote: ada
    Quote: Radikal
    ...Want to hear?

    Yes

    Potential competitor eliminated Yes
  43. +2
    25 May 2024 14: 24
    And they are all like that there. They consider themselves either descendants of Shamil or Genghis Khan. Russians are like slaves to them. But as soon as you hit them in the face, they immediately squeal about discrimination, Russian nationalism, etc. and so on. I would take care of my own.