“Program 2030”: everything is going according to plan

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“Program 2030”: everything is going according to plan


Counted - wept


The newest story showed that the demolition of Russian civilian traffic by Western sanctions is being postponed for now. According to industry regulators, Russian airlines carried about 105 million passengers last year. This is 10 percent more than in 2022.



Interestingly, in scenarios for the development of the civil industry in 2023, airlines should have transferred no more than 101,2 million people. The forecast turned out to be a little pessimistic. The carriers clearly managed to arrange supplies of scarce spare parts through gray channels, and the production of some products was able to begin in Russia.

The unprecedented sanctions turned out to be not so significant. There are several reasons.

Firstly, neither Boeing nor Airbus benefits from Russian plane crashes. The information background will be very dirty in this sense, which is extremely harmful for business. Boeing, for example, has enough problems without this. Therefore, it is possible that the manufacturers themselves proposed roundabout ways of supplying components, especially critical ones.

The second reason is that same globalization. When the production of aircraft components, in pursuit of cheapness, is scattered throughout the globe, it is very difficult to track the logistics of spare parts. “There is no crime that a business will not commit for 300 percent of the profit” is a well-known paradigm that allows Russia to buy prohibited equipment at exorbitant prices. And this applies not only to the airline industry.

The Kremlin’s influence in the global trade arena should not be discounted. In some cases, it is possible to put pressure on intractable partners and intermediaries - now in Russia we are all a little nervous, and we can accidentally break down.

Be that as it may, aircraft operators learned to negotiate with foreign “partners”, and most of the aircraft fleet remained airworthy.


But there is no story without a fly in the ointment. Especially in such a sensitive industry as air transportation.

Skeptics point to the example of Iran, which felt the stinking breath of international sanctions only 10-15 years later. As a result, a rather large country with a population of almost 90 million people has 335 passenger aircraft, of which only 175 are in service. But that’s not all - a third of operating aircraft are under permanent repair, precisely because of sanctions. Iran's difficulties are quite understandable - the republic does not have its own aircraft industry.

By the way, the tragedy with the presidential helicopter in Iran may well be associated with significant deterioration of the equipment. Considering the total ban on the supply of aircraft, the crashed Bell-212 was clearly a stale aircraft, and spare parts for it were supplied through detours.

The second one is bad news is the actual ceiling that the Russian aviation industry will hit in the very near future. That is, we will fly, but we won’t be able to grow in volume. The reason is that growth requires new aircraft, which they are only planning to take to the skies. If the existing status quo is maintained, market stagnation will begin in the next five to six years. And there it’s not far from the Iranian scenario.

To summarize, we can come to the conclusion that sanctions do not apply to the domestic aircraft fleet. At least not yet.

In the future, obsolescence of the aircraft fleet is inevitable, and only our own can save the situation. aviation industry. Only now the “Program 2030” (Comprehensive program for the development of the air transport industry of the Russian Federation until 2030), which promised the country a bright aviation future, has once again been updated.

The program was adopted in 2022, and in accordance with the original plans, by the end of this year, airlines were supposed to receive 22 new SSJ-NEW, 6 MC-21-300, a pair of Il-114-300, a dozen Tu-214, and 58 light aircraft at once -410 and 14 even lighter Baikals LMS-901.

How much of what was described actually entered the industry, I think, is not worth explaining.

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On May 4, 2024, a new decree of the Government of the Russian Federation was published, in the forecast indicators of which there will be only one Tu-2024 in 214! A decent landing forecast from 69 modern airliners to one Soviet-era aircraft.

If by 2030 the industry was supposed to produce 1 aircraft, now it is limited to 036 aircraft - 994 less than planned. The stakes, of course, have to be raised.

If at the time of the adoption of the 2030 Program they tried to evenly distribute production volumes over all nine years, now it has been decided to organize a formal assault. In 2028, 2029 and 2030, respectively, 226, 249 and 257 new aircraft will leave the factory gates. Even if everything goes like clockwork in the aviation industry from tomorrow, it’s hard to believe in the reality of such indicators.

However, everything is learned by comparison. More than two hundred aircraft per year is a completely adequate number for a developed aviation power. For example, Boeing alone delivered 528 civil aircraft to customers last year.


But let’s return to the updated document with forecast indicators for the supply of domestically produced aircraft.

It is worth paying attention to the term “forecast indicators”, which does not seem to oblige anyone to adhere to the plan. If so, then the release dates for production aircraft can be moved to the right. The relatively optimistic growth in traffic volumes last year signals that the industry itself is coping with the challenges. Maybe it’s better not to interfere and not interfere with your planes? We are exaggerating, of course, but such revisions of industry development plans cannot help but evoke gloomy thoughts.


We timidly hope that the indicated forecast indicators will be the last

What significant things will happen in the near future in accordance with the new plans?

First of all, the delay in the development of SSJ-New shifted certification from 2023 directly to 2025. Accordingly, we will see the first serial products only in 2026.

MS-21-300 will be in service next year, although it was supposed to operate on the line already this year. In 2026, the first three Il-114s with a capacity of 64–68 people will leave the plant. Then every year Lukhovitsky Aviation Plant named after. P. A. Voronina will produce a dozen aircraft each.

The 44-seater Ladoga was the most unlucky, the total production volume of which was reduced from 140 to 105 aircraft at once. It is unknown why the plane was so unsatisfactory, but, most likely, the Ural Civil Aviation Plant is not ready for such a scale of production.

There are generally many problems with the development of Ladoga - certification was postponed from 2024 to 2027, and the series was postponed immediately to 2028. The release of the old Tu-214 is planned for every year from 2022 to 2030 of the plan - this is the only case out of eight aircraft models. They still hope for the car and increase forecasts for total production from the initial 70 aircraft to 115. Next year we are expecting as many as four Tu-214s. How many of them will actually be assembled from scratch, and how many will be restored and restored is unknown.

A surprise was the appearance in the program of the new Osvey LMS-192 aircraft, which took the place of the excluded L-410. The news, to be honest, is not the freshest - the plane became known last fall.

The fact is that the L-410 can, with great stretch, be called a Russian aircraft. This is a Czech L-410 from Aircraft Industries, which belonged to the Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company. The mentioned Ural Civil Aviation Plant was involved in the assembly of imported components. It is difficult to imagine how a foreign car actually got into the forecasts of the 2030 Program. But the process of import substitution of components was underway, albeit completely insufficiently.

As a result, it was decided to fill the niche of 15–19-seater vehicles with the Russian-Belarusian Osvey LMS-192. An intergovernmental agreement was signed between Moscow and Minsk in mid-April this year. They plan to produce the aircraft at the 558th Aviation Repair Plant OJSC in Baranovichi from 2027.

Only the plane is not ready yet, even on paper, although it is planned to use developments on the L-410. The head of the industrial planning department of the State Military-Industrial Committee (GVPK) of Belarus, D. Stefanovich, eloquently stated the scale of the upcoming work:

“We are starting joint development. The project is called "Osveya". A new aircraft, developed from scratch. Development will be carried out at GVPK enterprises and enterprises of the Russian Federation, after which production will be organized. The necessary equipment is being purchased and the corresponding workshops are being built. Production will take place both in the Russian Federation and in the Republic of Belarus. The full production cycle will be organized at enterprises of the Republic of Belarus.”

The appearance of the production Osvey in 2027, to put it mildly, looks very optimistic. As well as the updated “Program 2030”, which, even in its truncated form, is too divorced from the real state of affairs in the industry.
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  1. +9
    26 May 2024 04: 40
    Russia has been subject to far more sanctions than Iran smile.
    How many sanctions have already been imposed against Russia?

    Thus, 4 sanctions were imposed against Iran, against Syria - 672 sanctions, against the DPRK - 2 sanctions, against Belarus - 803 sanctions, against Venezuela - 2 sanctions, against Myanmar - 152 sanctions;
    And 17 sanctions were imposed against Russia.

    So, dear author, everyone will do it themselves...except ourselves, no one will fight for the future of our aviation industry.
    And all countries must unite in the fight against the Anglo-Saxon sanctions to all countries affected by them... this is the only way out against this evil.
    1. +6
      26 May 2024 06: 16
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      except ourselves, no one will fight for the future of our aviation industry.

      The problem has been voiced, and it is known. But what is the essence of the problem, the root, so to speak? Who is to blame for the collapse of the airline industry has already passed. WHAT TO DO? What competencies are missing? Why is aircraft production stalling? What is missing? Production capacity? Specialists? Design school?
      1. +8
        26 May 2024 08: 06
        But what is the essence of the problem, the root, so to speak?
        The wrong people doing the wrong thing. It turned out to fall apart quickly, but with the restoration, it’s like the hands don’t grow from there!
      2. +8
        26 May 2024 09: 41
        There is a lack of proper motivation among decision makers
        If your head is filled with optimization/development of allocated funds, then nothing will work
      3. -2
        26 May 2024 10: 22
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        Why is aircraft production stalling?

        Actually, we have a war going on, and it’s with NATO, even though it’s called the Northern Military District. I believe that aircraft factories (and related companies) are busy producing other aircraft.
        1. +4
          26 May 2024 10: 38
          Quote: pyagomail.ru
          I believe that aircraft factories (and related companies) are busy producing other aircraft.

          Do you think that instead of the Tu-214 (the production of which began in 1996) the Su-57 is being assembled at the Kazan Aviation Plant?
          1. -3
            26 May 2024 10: 51
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            Do you think that instead of the Tu-214 (the production of which began in 1996) the Su-57 is being assembled at the Kazan Aviation Plant?

            The SU-57 is being made in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the production of the TU-160M ​​is being mastered in Kazan, and the TU-214 was made for some time, if I’m not mistaken, in Tashkent or Tbilisi - these cities are not located in Russia.
            1. +2
              26 May 2024 14: 15
              The Il-76 was made in Tashkent during the Soviet Union, and the Su-25 was built in Tbilisi.
              The Tu-214 has been produced since 1990 at the Aviastar-SP plant in Ulyanovsk, as well as since 1996 at the KAPO named after S. P. Gorbunov in Kazan (modification of the Tu-214). The Tu-214 is a medium-haul narrow-body passenger airliner. Can carry 210 passengers, practical flight range reaches 6500 km.

              Tashkent Aviation Production Association named after V.P. Chkalov - an enterprise that produced aviation equipment (Il-14, An-8, An-12, An-22, Il-76 and Il-114) in Tashkent
              1. +1
                26 May 2024 14: 21
                In continuation of the post.

                The 31st aircraft plant (later called TAPO - Tbilisi Aviation Production Association) was created in Tbilisi on December 15.12.41, 448 on the basis of the 31th aircraft engine plant and the evacuated 45st aircraft plant from Taganrog and the 2th aircraft repair plant from Sevastopol. During WW3, the plant produced LaGG-5, La-3 and Yak-1946, from 15 it switched to the production of jet aircraft - the Yak-17, then the Yak-17 (including the Yak-23UTI), Yak-15, MiG-17 and MiG-17. Radio-controlled targets (La-886, 10 built) and aviation anti-ship missiles (K-1,669, 1957 built) were also produced. Since 21, the MiG-21 was produced, primarily two-seat combat trainer versions - MiG-21U, MiG-21US and MiG-1,600UM (more than XNUMX built). Since 1978, the plant has mass-produced Su-25s (about 900, more details below), in particular (in 1987-1996) Su-25T, Su-25BM and several Su-25U. In addition, 6-seat light civil aircraft Yak-58 and air-to-air missiles R-60 (more than 30,000) and R-73 (more than 6,000) were produced. The rate of missile production reached 6,000 per year. The plant also participated in the production of parts for the Buran reusable spacecraft.
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      4. 0
        26 May 2024 12: 02
        We are stuck with the lack of aircraft engines, and to produce them we need sanctions to be lifted. Russia could produce hundreds of aircraft engines a year, but there is no equipment, raw materials and personnel.
        It’s clear with equipment - they need high-tech machines, which Russia does not produce and does not have the opportunity to produce in the near future. This industry needs huge investments over many years. The main problem is that there is no sales market; in fact, it will be a single product.
        Raw materials - our metallurgists have abandoned the production of high-strength steel and focused on casting pig iron for export; domestic consumers have long switched to imported Chinese steel after the Europeans stopped supplying.
        Personnel - Baumanka is no longer what it was, the gas turbine laboratory is no longer there, smart graduates and workers are leaving abroad, since their talents are valued there much more, the same Moscow Boeing center hooked leading universities on fat grants and paid fat stipends, in general, in every possible way stimulated themselves the best, and our aircraft manufacturers finished eating after him.
        1. +1
          26 May 2024 14: 28
          .With equipment it is clear - they need high-tech machines, which Russia does not produce and does not have the opportunity to produce in the near future.


          I can give you a link from the Internet with gratitude from the creators of the first experimental PD-35 to the domestic enterprise manufacturing the machine, with the help of which it was possible to embody the latest PD-35 in hardware. It is always surprising when people do not know something, but at the same time speak as if they know everything.

          . The main problem is that there is no sales market; in fact, it will be a single product.


          Yeah, there is no sales market. The domestic Russian market needs hundreds of aircraft of all classes.

          .Raw materials - our metallurgists abandoned the production of high-strength steel and focused on casting pig iron for export


          At least take an interest in what materials the MS-21-310 and Tu-214 are made from. Just for fun.
          1. +1
            26 May 2024 14: 36
            In continuation of the post.

            .Personnel - Baumanka is no longer what it was, the gas turbine laboratory is no longer there, smart graduates and workers are leaving abroad, since their talents are valued there much more, the same Moscow Boeing center hooked leading universities on fat grants and paid fat stipends, in general, stimulated in every possible way the best, and our aircraft manufacturers finished eating after him.


            An essay on the topic of how bad everything is here. Why have you forgotten about MAI, not to mention other personnel specialists for the aircraft industry? Are there no gas turbine laboratories? Where then and how are PD-8, PD-14, PD-35 tested if there is nothing?
            1. 0
              21 September 2024 19: 09
              In short, everything is there. Where are the planes then?
        2. 0
          25 August 2024 09: 58
          "Raw materials - our metallurgists have abandoned the production of high-strength steel and focused on casting pig iron for export; domestic consumers have long switched to imported Chinese steel after the Europeans stopped supplying"I haven't read more nonsense for a long time. Our metallurgists melt the entire range of steel, competing in the market with the whole world. Severstal and NLMK have successfully mastered pipe steel for flows and produce them in large quantities. Special steels are produced with a bang, without any questions at all. Rosatom from Chinese steel What are the reactors doing? The only problem is the lack of manganese ore in Russia. Nikopol must be liberated. Otherwise, regarding steel, there are no problems at all - a miracle.
      5. +1
        26 May 2024 13: 33
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        Is aircraft production stalling? What is missing? Production capacity? Specialists? Design school?

        Lavrenty Pavlovich is not on them. I mean not as the People's Commissar of the NKVD, but as the organizer of production.
      6. +6
        26 May 2024 16: 15
        What is missing? Production capacity? Specialists? Design school?
        Absolutely right. Production facilities require specialists, and they are trained for 10 years in high school and 5 years in college. I am telling you this as the head of the department at MAI.
      7. +2
        26 May 2024 19: 41
        What is missing?

        It seemed to me that this was no secret either.
        1. Avionics
        2. engines
        3. composites.
        4. and all the other little things.
      8. +1
        24 July 2024 14: 48
        What is missing?

        Whatever you miss is not there. Teachers, doctors, workers, machine tools, high-strength alloys....
        There are plenty of managers, economists, lawyers, advertisers and, of course, creative types.
    2. -1
      27 May 2024 21: 19
      A loud crowd was walking under the windows. Hearing the slogan “Workers of all countries, unite!”, Sigismund Moiseevich sighed and said: “But not at my house.”
  2. + 16
    26 May 2024 04: 44
    But Manturov went for a promotion. No.
    1. + 10
      26 May 2024 05: 19
      Carefully. Here on the site there is a squad of “reptilians” who consider the dominance of mediocrities in leadership to be the only correct way to develop the economy. I have corrected their impact on your rating.
      * * *
      Awww! Females! Hurry before it gets cold...
      * * *
      What is obvious is that there are less than necessary reasons for finding these empty-headed apologists for Putin’s reforms in the public, economic and financial space. It is with them that the practice of creation continues without concrete results...
      1. + 12
        26 May 2024 06: 17
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Here on the site there is a squad of “reptilians” who consider the dominance of mediocrities in leadership to be the only correct way to develop the economy.

        "Reptilians" are fools or scoundrels. And, as it turns out, there are a lot of them. And not only on the site.

        From the lessons of history. The serf peasants, for the most part, fiercely hated the landowners and loved the Tsar-Father very much. As a Soviet schoolboy, I couldn’t believe that this could happen. And now I see that it can!
    2. +7
      26 May 2024 06: 32
      Yeah. And where is the responsibility for lies at the highest level about 1000+ aircraft - I reported to the president. The Minister of the Ministry of Industry and Trade should have had all the possibilities and should have known about the real capabilities of the industry. Who, if not he, had all the information?
      1. +6
        26 May 2024 07: 35
        And where is the responsibility for lies at the highest level about 1000+ aircraft - I reported to the president

        Oh no no no !!! What a shame to deceive a gullible child...
        Well, to the author - Iran has its own aircraft industry. Not at the French level, of course, but there. And the rocket and space industry too. They launch their own satellites.
        1. -1
          26 May 2024 10: 47
          Quote: dauria
          Well, to the author - Iran has its own aircraft industry. Not at the French level, of course, but there

          serious device laughing
          1. +6
            26 May 2024 10: 59
            But you can’t make a series in a garage. The engine is its own, although it is a copy. There are factories, there are related companies, there are personnel. This shows the level of the country. Evil does not take for our IL-112? This is the leading power in the past. China also started with copies, but now you can’t keep up. Here's another Iranian serial one. Yours, mind you.
            1. 0
              26 May 2024 11: 06
              Iranian An-140, made from Ukrainian parts (including).
              Finished production in 2015.
              Now they seem to have started testing it again, but this time it’s their own.
              1. +1
                26 May 2024 11: 27
                Or maybe it's enough of the "unparalleled hypersonic" promises? Just look around and make good workhorses. Without hesitation, copying successful solutions. What, don't you need An24-26 class machines? Look at the Spaniards making C-295s and selling them like hotcakes all over the world. No, Shoigu decided to transport an armored car on an Il-112. Copy the "Spartan", you see. As a result, no one buys the Spartan, and there's no point in bringing ours to fruition.
                1. 0
                  26 May 2024 11: 32
                  Yes, I think that in addition to combat aircraft: a stealth multi-role (multi-role) fighter), a long-range bomber, all other aircraft can be produced by the Soviets, such as the An-24, Tu-204, Il-76 family, the Yak-30 training aircraft, etc. d.
                  1. +2
                    26 May 2024 11: 41
                    training Yak-30

                    Here is the swallow, ready. It was the Yak-30 that inspired the guys to make it. The result was a car, foreign private owners took it - no, they didn’t make a deal with our “effective managers of everything and everyone”
                    1. 0
                      26 May 2024 11: 48
                      Yes, the question is how ready it is for serial production, unlike the Yak-30, state testing, etc.
                      1. +1
                        26 May 2024 12: 01
                        Yes, there was even a contract with the Moscow Region. And there were preliminary tests. And a plant in Smolensk was identified. They would kick the Czechs out of the market with their L-39s. Yes, they froze. Apparently, they didn’t share the “rights” with who they were supposed to.
                        The Yak-30 is probably more difficult to restore serial production now.
                      2. 0
                        26 May 2024 12: 07
                        And the AI-25 engine - was it produced in Ukraine?
                        And the Yak-30 is our Tyumen one. smile
                      3. +2
                        26 May 2024 12: 14
                        They planned it in the AL-55 series. Ours, the production of which was transferred to the Indians. And now the dog knows what will happen next. The Elki will probably be overhauled until they completely rot. They used to be repaired in Tambov.
                      4. +2
                        26 May 2024 12: 33
                        Yes, and the heavy Yak-130 is not a replacement, obviously.
                  2. 0
                    21 September 2024 19: 13
                    Will you find pilots for the 24th? They have everything in hand
      2. + 10
        26 May 2024 07: 39
        Quote: 123_123
        And where is the responsibility for lying at the highest level?

        What kind of responsibility is this? On the planet, pink ponies have no responsibility for excessive optimism, only rewards. But you can sit down for pessimism and criticism. Like Strelkov, for example.
        1. 0
          26 May 2024 19: 48
          On the planet, pink ponies have no responsibility for excessive optimism, only rewards

          Have you noticed how many generals have recently been arrested?
      3. +3
        26 May 2024 10: 01
        The Minister of the Ministry of Industry and Trade should have had all the possibilities and should have known about the real capabilities of the industry. Who, if not he, had all the information?
        Not so long ago, the Minister of Defense was “sincerely” surprised. Where did the one and a half million sets go? But each set doesn’t cost a ruble, or even 100.
        And what? Never mind. It took two years to even transfer to another position.
    3. +2
      26 May 2024 09: 45
      But Manturov went for a promotion.
      Obviously, whoever promoted this mediocrity needs only optimistic forecasts from him. And he apparently doesn’t have the time to be interested in such a trifle as whether these predictions really come true. Or maybe my memory is just really bad. Some people promise, and then it turns out that they deceived them; others’ predictions never come true. But everything is still going according to plan. Paradox!
      1. +3
        26 May 2024 09: 52
        But everything is still going according to plan.

        Or maybe everything really is going according to plan. Only we don’t know these plans. drinks
        Я
        our plans
        I love a lot
        scope
        fathom steps.
        I rejoice
        march
        which way we are going
        to work
        and into battle.
        (V. Mayakovsky)
        1. +1
          26 May 2024 09: 55
          Or maybe everything really is going according to plan. Only we don’t know these plans.
          I have the same doubt creeping in more and more that their plans are not at all what we all think. hi
          1. 0
            28 May 2024 01: 52
            Quote: Electrical
            I have the same doubt creeping in more and more that their plans are not the same, as we all think.
            yeah, like the idea in the movie - "in reality, everything is completely different from what it really is...!!" wink
  3. +9
    26 May 2024 04: 48
    The appearance of the production Osvey in 2027, to put it mildly, looks very optimistic. As well as the updated “Program 2030”, which, even in its truncated form, is too divorced from the real state of affairs in the industry.

    All that remains is to find several dozen “Belousovs” for key positions... Otherwise, we have either the “Chubais”, or the “Manturovs”, or some other disinterested “Chemezovs”... And all this is under the wing of the “Siluanovs” and “Nabiullins”.
    1. + 12
      26 May 2024 05: 41
      And all this under the wing of the “Siluanovs” and “Nabiullins”
      And under the supervision of the Higher School of Economics and the Institute of Economic Policy named after E. T. Gaidar wink
      1. + 10
        26 May 2024 06: 20
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        Higher School of Economics and Institute of Economic Policy named after E. T. Gaidar

        And the Higher Political School named after I. A. Ilyin wink
    2. +6
      26 May 2024 05: 46
      So Mr. Belousov is just a "...chick of the nest..." of the "Sluanovs" and "Nabiullins" smile
    3. + 10
      26 May 2024 06: 10
      Quote: ROSS 42
      All that remains is to find several dozen “Belousovs” for key positions.

      Have you already forgotten the hero Shoigu? He was nominated for president - the people simply prayed for him.
      Everyone started with heroic PR. Let's see what happens in 2 years.
      1. +3
        26 May 2024 06: 30
        Quote from tsvetahaki
        Have you already forgotten the hero Shoigu? He was nominated for president - people just prayed for him.

        I thought so myself! Shoigu has always been the best of all ministers. Just a diamond among dullness and liberals. But it turned out that it was not quite a diamond.
      2. +2
        26 May 2024 07: 05
        Quote from tsvetahaki
        Everyone started with heroic PR. Let's see what happens in 2 years.

        Of course we will watch... One motto aroused inspiration: “You can make mistakes, but you can’t lie!”
        1. +3
          26 May 2024 16: 33
          Now there will be a change in PR. We weren’t deceived or everything is going according to plan, but we made a mistake, well, who doesn’t?
          1. 0
            21 September 2024 19: 17
            But I am ready to admit my mistakes (c)
            1. 0
              21 September 2024 20: 04
              Next Minister of Defense in 5 years:
              - It is necessary to draw conclusions from your mistakes, and not just admit mistakes!
              In another 10 years, through a couple of more ministers:
              - Finally, the time has come not to step on the same rake, but to draw conclusions before stepping on it again!
              In general, words remained words, they lied and they lie, they were not ready for anything and they are not ready for everything, there was no intelligence and there is none, they bought everything for themselves and they continue to buy, there were no hangars and there were none. And winter is coming soon, it is bad to pour concrete in winter, so we will start building hangars sometime later
        2. +2
          26 May 2024 18: 35
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Of course we will watch... One motto aroused inspiration: “You can make mistakes, but you can’t lie!”

          It’s “you can’t lie” that’s most alarming. And it raises strong doubts about sincerity.
          How can this be without lies??? You can imagine???
          That is, for example, the new Unnamable One can tell the truth and show palaces and estates BEFORE they decided to arrest someone from above????
    4. 0
      21 September 2024 19: 16
      Don't get excited too soon
  4. -1
    26 May 2024 05: 05
    Everything will happen, but a little later. We have no other choice. Some waited too long for everything to settle down and there was no need to do anything; they would again knock down B and E in shoals.
    1. +5
      26 May 2024 05: 25
      Quote from Voronezh
      We have no other choice.

      There is always a way out (even if it’s on Deribasovskaya):
    2. + 22
      26 May 2024 05: 51
      "All will be". “You only have to wait 10 years.” These tales are told regularly every 10 years.
      1. -17
        26 May 2024 07: 54
        Bridges are being built, BAM is expanding, shipyards are being built and built, but there is no point in proving anything to people like you.
        1. +8
          26 May 2024 09: 42
          Well, if for you building bridges and railways is akin to the space and aviation industries, then it is already useless to explain anything... They built one bridge in 10 years and people like you are foaming at the mouth to prove that the country is ahead of the rest ....
          1. -7
            26 May 2024 12: 31
            And what is wrong? The aviation industry is working, the military industry is working, the civilian industry was destroyed in the 90s by those who “we will buy everything” but is being restored, space is moving forward, the cosmonauts on the ISS are changing, the Angara took off, Vostochny is working. Military space works. For some reason you are not being ironic about, for example, Japan - they puffed up for 10 years and closed their program of a civil aircraft like the Sukhoi 100, and their satellite landed sideways on the Moon. Or is it something else? The Chinese made a passenger plane with more than 90% of imported components, but they never created their own engine, and in my opinion there are 2 copies of these planes. on a regular basis. And this is with their finances and industry. Other? Why are you silent that the striped ones still haven’t started restoring the famous bridge, and what about restoration, they still haven’t been able to dismantle it. How many months have passed? How long did it take to dismantle and restore the Crimean Bridge? Another thing again? So no need to la la. Continue to wrap yourself in a white coat.
            1. +7
              26 May 2024 13: 51
              Yes, everything is so, everything is so, dear comrade. Nevermind. Continue drinking beer in front of the TV. Everything is fine.
            2. 0
              21 September 2024 19: 23
              In the 90s? Dear man, the 30s are just around the corner.
            3. 0
              21 September 2024 19: 25
              Japan and China - formerly powerful aviation and space powers? P.S. It was common to laugh at China in the 90s
  5. +4
    26 May 2024 05: 29
    “Program 2030”: everything is going according to plan

    Less than twelve years have passed:
    Three stages of Putin's policy: resuscitation, prostration, revolution
    https://topwar.ru/19699-tri-stadii-putinskoy-politiki-reanimaciya-prostraciya-revolyuciya.html
    1. + 11
      26 May 2024 05: 53
      Three stages of bourgeois politics in capitalist Russia in the 21st century:
      1) Make a big statement.
      2) Wait 10 years and shift the deadlines to the right."
      3) After 2 years, make exactly the same loud statement.
      4) Continue from point number "2"
      1. +5
        26 May 2024 09: 24
        Point 5) Get promoted.
        1. +2
          26 May 2024 17: 49
          Quote: avia12005
          Point 5) Get promoted.

          Addition to point 5) Get a promotion. Build a castle. Get a bag of orders.
  6. +7
    26 May 2024 05: 54
    . By the end of this year, airlines were supposed to receive 22 new SSJ-NEW, 6 MC-21-300, a pair of Il-114-300, a dozen Tu-214, 58 light L-410 and 14 even lighter Baikals LMS-901.

    How much of what was described actually entered the industry, I think, is not worth explaining.

    A person who does not fulfill his plans is an outsider. And the government is great. Especially led by Mishustin! Why does Mishustin, the best prime minister of all time (as many here think!) approve unrealistic plans, and then easily fail to implement them, without bearing responsibility for it? Question.
  7. +7
    26 May 2024 05: 56
    The author doesn’t even want to apponate, and it’s pointless. He has his own world, far from reality. What’s sad is that recently there have been more and more “spirit-lifting” articles on VO, even in the weapons section, this one has its place in opinions, since there is nothing else in it except the author’s opinion on aircraft construction.
  8. -3
    26 May 2024 05: 57
    The only aircraft (if it really is made from domestic materials and parts) is the TU-214, which can be produced a lot per year, of all those listed. What do you need for this? First. The will and desire to cope with the situation in domestic aviation. The second is to gather all the manufacturers of parts and components for the aircraft and draw up a realistic plan for the production of aircraft and what is needed for this.
    To produce the TU-214, you don’t need any certifications or new engines, just do it.
    What else I would suggest is to attract regions to produce parts and components for the aircraft, or help increase production if they are doing this.
    If you need to send all graduates of aviation universities to the plant where TU-124s are produced.
    And yet create a Ministry of Aviation Industry. soldier
    1. +6
      26 May 2024 06: 32
      Quote: V.
      If you need to send all graduates of aviation universities

      We have only 3 (THREE!) universities that graduate specialists in aircraft engineering. The rest, although called aviation, or have appropriate faculties, teach: Business informatics, Biotechnology, Automation of technological processes and production, Management, Advertising and public relations, Architecture, State and municipal administration, Design... at best Air navigation...
      1. +1
        26 May 2024 16: 46
        To make an already developed aircraft you don’t need a crowd of university graduates, you need many different mechanics, turners and other machine operators
        1. +3
          26 May 2024 17: 39
          Quote from alexoff
          To make an already developed aircraft you don’t need a crowd of university graduates, you need many different mechanics, turners and other machine operators

          Have you ever worked in production? Or in construction, where there is a “ready” project? Crowds of different mechanics, turners and other machine operators, without craftsmen and engineers, by themselves, will not do ANYTHING!!!
          1. -2
            26 May 2024 17: 55
            The engineers, in theory, have already mapped out everything; they just need to make thirty instead of one aircraft a year. And craftsmen are made in factories. I don’t know what they teach in aviation institutes these days, but in my field I will say that in universities they fill you with all sorts of unnecessary crap and after university you have to study again because the program is completely disconnected from real needs.
    2. +9
      26 May 2024 08: 03
      send all graduates of aviation universities to the plant

      Now "study" with your own hard-earned money. How will you guide them? This is not why people bought a diploma "in installments". Pay - and you will recruit specialists. Moreover, there is no mass need for graduates of aviation institutes in production. Even in the design bureau, you can recruit young people from the Polytechnic and grow them from the bottom. Just not ready-made "managers of everything in the world" like Rogozins. We have enough Ostap Benders and Silvanskys, the Soviet margin of safety has run out.
      1. 0
        26 May 2024 13: 02
        The question is paid or free of charge, as a rule, fee-paying students are worse than budget students. The parents are rich or are trying their best to educate their children. And they don't care about this specialty, five years of beating around the bush and dodging the army. Of course, it's a controversial issue, I went through this with my child. hi
        1. 0
          26 May 2024 17: 49
          Quote: V.
          The question is whether you paid or study for free; as a rule, paying students are worse than students on a budget. The parents are rich or are trying their best to educate their children. And they don’t care about this specialty, they’ll beat the fool for five years and get out of the army. A controversial issue, of course, I went through this myself with my child.

          This is not about payers and rich parents. Here the problem is on the other side. From the majority of universities! For some reason, since the 90s, it has been believed that paid education is the person who pays for the diploma! And no matter how someone studies, if you pay money, they will give it to you one way or another! He who pays calls the tune, the buyer is always right... And so on...
          But in fact, the student pays for the lectures that are given to him! But whether he accepted them or not, or even skipped altogether, is the tenth thing! And when he comes to the exam, he passes it regardless of whether he is a state employee, a grant-eater or a paid employee... If he doesn’t pass, goodbye! So you wasted your money!
          But, unfortunately, we have a completely different system!
      2. +1
        26 May 2024 13: 13
        I completely agree with you. I just wanted to write shorter. Of course, designers and technologists need to be sent to practice both as students and after graduation.
        Polytechnics, as a rule, they have a general education, and they have to complete their studies, for example, in shipbuilding or aircraft construction. Although they have good training programs in energy and automotive manufacturing.
        You can grow from an engineer into a manager, but almost never from a pure manager.
    3. 0
      21 September 2024 19: 27
      Do we train pilots for a three-member crew?
  9. +9
    26 May 2024 06: 05
    Quote from Voronezh
    Everything will happen, but a little later.

    All pessimists, please shut up! Well, if we fail the 2030 program, what’s the first time for us? Well, we won’t talk about it for a year, people will forget! And there, in 2 years, a new program will appear - 2035 (or better, 2040), and from all the dummies they will tell how great we will live, how much we will build, etc. laughing lol hi
  10. +2
    26 May 2024 06: 52
    Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
    What is missing? Production capacity? Specialists? Design school?

    smile To answer your question, compare how our aircraft industry developed in the 20s of the last century with today.
    The main differences are in the state's attitude towards this industry.
    We need a developed machine tool industry, a chemical industry... we need young motivated scientists, engineers, workers... we need strong, well-established connections between enterprises... a lot of things are needed and most importantly motivation in the Kremlin to have their own planes, and not Boeings and Airbuses.
    1. 0
      6 June 2024 18: 21
      The question is to compare how our aircraft industry developed in the 20s of the last century with today.


      Are you talking about Sikorsky? Or about buying an engine from BMW? Or about the intrigues of designers?
  11. 0
    26 May 2024 08: 07
    I do not believe! (according to Stanislavsky) Panikovsky is not obliged to believe everything! (Soviet classics) On average, 250 aircraft per year at the end of the decade... That is, we would renew the fleet of a country like Iran in three quarters? Yes, in the Russian Federation there are 1,5 times more people, and the scale of the country is many times larger - there is no way without aviation. But 7500 aircraft in 30 years is, as they say in the southwest, too much! Or does anyone think that Brazil, Canada, and the USA, Europe and China will stand in line for our dreamliners? Maybe less is more? It seems to me that 200 “our own” aircraft per year will be quite enough, because business will not refuse to purchase abroad.
  12. +2
    26 May 2024 09: 13
    Almost all civil aircraft in the world are produced by just 4 corporations. In 2023 production figures:
    Airbus 735 aircraft
    Boeing 528 aircraft
    Embraer 181 aircraft
    Bombardier 138 aircraft.
    We have 4 design bureaus, each of them develops their own aircraft: Sukhoi Design Bureau - Superjet, Yakovlev - MS 21, Tupolev - TU-214, Ilyushin - IL-96

    The result is 2 aircraft for the whole year. Even the proverb about the Swan, crayfish and pike doesn’t fit here, you need to introduce a 4th player.
    1. +3
      26 May 2024 13: 22
      Unfortunately, Bombardier could not withstand the competition and sold the production of jet airliners to Airbus, and turboprops to Vikingair. Now Bombardier produces only business jets, and the fourth manufacturer of airliners in the world is, apparently, the Franco-Italian ATR, which, however, is also 50% owned by Airbus and carries out final assembly in the Airbus capital of Toulouse.
      1. 0
        26 May 2024 15: 15
        Thank you. I looked at the ATR indicators: 36 aircraft for 2023.
        1. +1
          26 May 2024 19: 15
          They dropped a lot, before it was 60-80.
  13. +3
    26 May 2024 09: 23
    Don't interfere with Manturov's work.
  14. +3
    26 May 2024 09: 37
    Don't worry, we have one fail-safe method, which is now being debugged en masse using the example of the auto industry. In the depths of our government, they have long been figuring out how they will make SSJ-SuperRUS or MS-21URARUSSIA on the basis of one purely domestic airplane - CR919, they are already preparing multi-billion investments in the production of ... nameplates with patriotic names (the steering wheel will only be remade according to Mishustin's instructions). And by 2030, it will be possible to rivet wide-body ones, for example, IL-996-900 RUS by the most complex re-gluing of nameplates from the same CR929 (we, yes, flew out of the joint project like eagles, but no one forbids buying it!) And there you can already "master" trillions. And if we also raise the recycling fee for these purely domestic aircraft ... Alas, it will not work, unlike the auto industry, the Chinese comrades in The aviation industry has screwed up a bit, they are only whipping up two brands of future purely Russian aircraft (and they haven't even finished making one yet, how is that possible, we will soon have nothing to fly on, isn't it right?!) Monopoly under Chinese socialism is happening. And here they, bad people, will never assemble aircraft (as well as cars (we don't count Haval), for some reason) Okay, no need to grieve, you see, someday we will also have purely domestic, though slightly slanted, aircraft (and most importantly, multi-trillion funds will be "mastered". The conditional "Ivanovs" in prison (no, they will soon get out of there, they will settle in their native "Rosvertol" with their no less dear Serdyuk) will bite off all their nails from envy) We have such a school of aircraft manufacturing! No worse than car manufacturing!
    1. +3
      26 May 2024 10: 24
      We have such a school of aircraft construction! No worse than the automotive industry!
      Well, the probability is not even zero. That after the “narrow-eyed” Muscovites and Volgas, the same Il-s and Tu-shki will come. sad
  15. +2
    26 May 2024 10: 54
    Although the tone of the article is uplifting, lately the phrase “Everything is going according to plan” not only annoys me, but also scares me.
  16. -2
    26 May 2024 18: 14
    In the depths of our government they have long been wondering how they will make the SSJ-SuperRUS or MC-21URARUSSIA based on one purely domestic airplane - CR919

    are you part of the government?
  17. +2
    27 May 2024 00: 59
    The problem from 90, when our airlines took imported aircraft for kickbacks, and pushed ours back. In the absence of demand, there is no development, although the IL-96 airframe is considered the best for civilian aircraft, and if there were no safety requirements at the end of 80 for 4 engines for long-haul aircraft, then perhaps a two-engine version would have been developed. And so the collapse of the USSR stopped the development of civil aviation.
    And as the Chinese proverb says, “A journey of 1000 li begins with the first step,” so if you do nothing at all, then nothing will happen.
    1. 0
      21 September 2024 19: 33
      Who is it considered to be?...........
  18. +2
    27 May 2024 01: 25
    “Everything is going according to plan” - a quote from a song by the band Leningrad.
    As for the aviation industry, the Ms21, Il114, and the new SSZh have slipped to the right on schedule. Engines for the second and third ones exist only on paper today. And this is despite the fact that the Il114 was promised to be produced back in 2015.
    In connection with the sale of rights to L610 to a third country, Ladoga's prospects are becoming even more vague than they were 2 years ago. How an engine repair plant, which has been engaged in the L410 screwdriver assembly for the last few years, can design an aircraft from scratch is unclear. By the way, there is no engine for it either.
    A 19-seater plane shared with Belarus is a different story. There is no engine even in “pink dreams”.
    1. +3
      27 May 2024 11: 40
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      “Everything is going according to plan” - a quote from a song by the band Leningrad.

      Heretic! Bring brushwood and kerosene!!!
      This is "Civil Defense" by Yegor Letov.
      Border key broken in half
      And our father Lenin completely usop
      It decomposed into mold and linden honey.
      And perestroika is still going on according to plan.
      And all the dirt turned into bare ice

      and everything goes according to plan

      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      Engines for the second and third - today exist only on paper.

      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      By the way, there is no engine for it either.

      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      There is no engine even in “pink dreams”.

      As they wrote about the Soviet pre-war aviation industry: "If a promising aircraft with excellent performance characteristics does not go into production, there is no need to immediately attribute this to saboteurs and intrigues. First, look at how things are going with the engine for it - and not in the design bureau’s statements, but in the test reports". wink
  19. +1
    27 May 2024 07: 38
    First of all, you need to understand who actually needs Russian civil aircraft.

    If these planes are needed by some enthusiasts on some forums and outside of these forums, then most likely no planes will appear.

    If these planes are needed by those who have real money and who can make even more money from these planes, then the planes, of course, will appear in the quantity necessary to obtain maximum profit.
  20. +1
    27 May 2024 14: 22
    1000 aircraft by 2030 is a very fabulous plan. As if you wouldn’t have to fly on Chinese aircraft assembled in Russia.
    1. 0
      21 September 2024 19: 34
      Or assembled in China...
  21. 0
    29 May 2024 13: 27
    What is Evgeny Fedorov's article about? In short, the "plan" for "large" and "small" aviation has been "blown up" once again... Again, a bunch of objective reasons... Of course, the SVO does not "add" opportunities for the civil aviation industry, but the aviation industry is not in a big "hurry" and "sweats" over the implementation of its plans to embody them in "bronze and marble"... Of course, rising "from the ruins" and "oblivion", having lost a "bunch" of aviation-specific research institutes, design bureaus, production facilities, personnel and educational institutions - is not easy... It makes sense to "look for" those who really "don't like" the rise "of the wing" of the domestic aviation industry... Those who were paid for its collapse and who are afraid of losing "their gains" in this scam, but are still "at the helm"...
  22. 0
    2 June 2024 12: 58
    Neither Boeing nor Airbus benefits from Russian plane crashes.

    Well, why not? It depends on how they present it. A well-constructed PR campaign "this is what will happen to those who are not with us and against us".
  23. 0
    6 June 2024 17: 23
    at GVPK enterprises and enterprises of the Russian Federation,


    Isn’t it the Russian Federation GVPK?
  24. 0
    12 July 2024 09: 07
    Am I the only one who gets offended by “SSJ-New” instead of the standard domestic abbreviation?
    1. 0
      21 September 2024 19: 36
      Call it a pot, but don't put it in the oven. P.S. Do the letters Patriot on the back of the UAZ make you shudder too?
  25. 0
    28 August 2024 12: 35
    Je ne sais pas comment Poutine a prévu remettre la Russie sur le devant de la scène internationale mais il a mis les charrues avant les boeufs : tous les pays qui veulent s'aligner derrière la Russie ont peur des sanctions occidentales...la Russie ne peut pas combler ses sanctions. Par exemple, l'Iran qui n'a ni avion,ni voiture,ni ordinateur,ni smartphone venant de la Russie... comment un tel pays et sa population ne veuillent pas fuir la Russie et s'aligner derrière les occidentaux, isolant un peu plus la Russie...si la Russie n'a pas les moyens de combler les sanctions des occidentaux et vit aux dépens des produits électroniques occidentaux,elle sera isolée.la Russie devrait se donner les moyens de n'exporter aucun produit technologique venant d'occident.elle devrait être en mesure d'en fabriquer elle même et pour les pays qui ne sont pas alignés derive the occupants
  26. 0
    13 October 2024 14: 12
    In French, if we speak in my opinion, we all FARTED, that is, we lost all civil aviation.