The enemy’s ability to strike deep into Russian territory is continuously increasing

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The enemy’s ability to strike deep into Russian territory is continuously increasing


Strikes deep into territory


As we expected, The lack of success on the battlefield has led to the fact that the main method of conducting combat operations by the Ukrainian Armed Forces (AFU) has become air strikes..



Objects attacked by the enemy can be broadly divided into three groups - military objects, industrial objects and fuel and energy infrastructure, and civilian objects. In turn, attacking airborne missiles can be divided into low-flying subsonic cruise missiles and kamikaze unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), as well as operational-tactical missiles (OTR) and guided/unguided missiles moving along a high-altitude ballistic or quasi-ballistic trajectory.

There are significant differences in the organization of counteraction to low-flying and high-altitude airborne attack systems: the former are more difficult to detect but are usually easier to hit, while the latter can usually be detected at a greater distance, but their high flight speed and sometimes maneuverability make them a difficult target for anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAMs).

We also previously spoke about increasing the effectiveness of the fight against low-flying explosive devices in the materials Waiting for the Helios-RLD UAV: ​​for protection against low-flying air attack weapons и UAV "Sirius-PVO": hunter of air attack weapons.


UAV "Helios-RLD" - the main problem in the fight against low-flying IOS is their timely detection

Not everything proposed above can be implemented in the shortest possible time, but it is necessary to move in this direction, since there are no signs that the special military operation (SVO) will end in the near future; some sources even put forward the opinion that the appointment of a new Minister of Defense - an economist and financier, says that the end of the SVO should not be expected in the near future.

In addition to what was discussed above, it can be assumed that promptly changing the location of anti-aircraft missile systems (SAMs), at least once a day, will significantly complicate the enemy’s task of laying out routes for low-flying air defense systems, bypassing the detection and destruction zone of these SAMs.

We have a different situation with high-altitude missiles moving along a high-altitude ballistic or quasi-ballistic trajectory.

If we are talking about unguided rockets with a range of several tens of kilometers, for example, such as the Grad-type multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS), then here the defender has a chance promptly detect the fact of an attack, determine the location of the enemy MLRS and destroy it (them) as part of counter-battery warfare (CBW). Of course, this does not negate the need to repel an attack, but if the KBB task is solved successfully, then there may not be another attack.

However, with missiles of operational-tactical missile systems (OTRK), as well as with guided/unguided rockets with a firing range of over 100 kilometers, everything is much more complicated.

Firstly, solving KBB problems here is much more difficult - no matter how quickly the reconnaissance-strike circuit reacts, the launcher has a much greater chance of “escaping”.

Secondly, even if the OTR is damaged, its warhead (warhead) may detonate not in the air, when the warhead of the missile defense system is detonated, but after the OTR warhead falls to the surface. Yes, it is possible that the target - a military or industrial facility - will not be hit, but the detonation of a warhead on the surface can lead to the destruction of other, including civilian objects. If we are talking about cluster munitions, then the destruction of warheads often simply leads to their scattering at a higher altitude.


Elements of a cluster warhead pose a threat even after the destruction of the OTR in the air

In addition, having received a large number of missiles from its sponsors, the Kiev regime began to carry out massive strikes, which could involve up to several dozen missile launchers and tactical missiles, and it is very difficult to repel such attacks.

Passive protection


Two main options can be distinguished - these are various obstacles located on the intended flight route of the IOS, as well as shelters for potentially attacked objects. The former are suitable only for protection against low-flying EOS, while the latter are suitable for both protection against low-flying EOS and against EOS moving along a high-altitude trajectory.

Obstacles are various cables and nets placed on high-altitude masts or attached to balloons, as we previously discussed in the material Barrage balloons: guarding industrial facilities and the fuel and energy complex. Open sources often say that low-flying Ukrainian kamikaze UAVs attacking targets in the depths of our country move along river beds in order to avoid detection by radar stations. So why not string nets on masts or balloons at a height of approximately 15-20 (to allow river transport to pass through) to 50-100 meters?

The situation is similar with protected objects - well, the kamikaze UAV will not withstand a collision with the network - either the wings will come off, or the propeller will get tangled. Why industrial enterprises, primarily enterprises in the fuel and energy sector, are not protected in this way is a great mystery. But there are also much more unpleasant (for us) objects to attack, and there is no doubt that the enemy knows about them.


Networks and cables could potentially be stretched not only on balloons, but also between ordinary cell phone towers, the height of which can reach 100 meters; do we even know how to build them? Image invest-a.ru

As for shelters for potentially attackable objects, here we primarily mean shelters for airplanes and helicopters, as well as for any other “soft” equipment; we also talked about this earlier in the material Ukrainian UAV strikes on the airfield in Engels as an indicator of the extreme vulnerability of aviation at base points. Unfortunately, the situation is still far from being resolved. Maybe the latest changes at the top will have an impact on something?

After all, even easily erected hangars can significantly reduce losses - the enemy simply will not be able to track which hangar contains a target and which does not. The effectiveness of fragments, including elements of cluster warheads, will decrease. You can further increase protection with gabions - simple bags of sand and earth placed along the walls of easily erected hangars and equipment.


Gabions perfectly protect against bullets and shrapnel - by surrounding equipment and light shelters with them, you can significantly increase their survivability

What can we say about normal reinforced concrete shelters covered with earth on top - they can potentially reduce losses at airfields by an order of magnitude or more.

Not a single air defense system...


Of course, the question immediately arises, why not use more anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM)?

Of course, air defense systems can and should be used, but it is necessary to understand that we are now confronting the entire defense-industrial complex (DIC) of the countries of the Global West. Collectively, they can rivet as many missile launchers, kamikaze UAVs, OTR and shells for MLRS as we will never be able to produce missiles.

In addition, there is also a “cost-effectiveness” criterion, that is, if we shoot down missiles or anti-tank missiles with the help of very expensive missiles, then this is one thing, but if we use missiles with relatively cheap unguided MLRS or kamikaze UAV projectiles, then this counts is no longer going in our favor. By the way, Ukraine has a similar problem.

Are there other ways to defeat SVN?

Yes, for example, laser and microwave weapon, whose cost per shot should be no more than several hundred rubles. The deployment of laser weapon systems by Western and Eastern countries has already begun, however, the situation with laser weapons in Russia is hidden under a veil of secrecy. In addition, in the next two to three years, the capabilities of laser air defense systems will most likely be limited to kamikaze UAVs, then within five to ten years they will most likely learn to shoot down cruise missiles and MLRS shells, and only then will they reach operational-tactical missiles, and all of the above goals have ways to increase protection from the effects of radiation.


A 300 kW combat laser from Lockheed Martin is already being tested, and work is currently underway to increase its power to 500 kW

Formally Russia has adopted the Peresvet combat laser complex (BLK), but its capabilities are classified and one can only guess about them. True, the question arises - after all, if it is stated that the Peresvet BLK, at a minimum, should be able to “blind” satellites in orbit, can’t it at least blind the optical-electronic systems (OES) of American reconnaissance UAVs “hanging around” above Black Sea? After all, they are clearly used to guide Ukrainian air defense systems at targets in Crimea.

Of course, these UAVs also have a radar, but it will not completely replace the OES, and if the Peresvet BLK can physically damage American UAVs, then it’s for the better. According to the author, reconnaissance UAVs of NATO countries, especially those located over the neutral waters of the Black Sea, can and should be shot down in any way, even with the help of air defense systems, even fighters, even the Peresvet BLK. This is an effective way to increase the survivability of Russian Armed Forces facilities and civilian infrastructure on the territory of Crimea, and the United States will not do anything to us in response.

More abroad microwave weapons exist and are being tested, which are also already close to testing in combat conditions, but its main target is small-sized kamikaze UAVs, including the ubiquitous FPV-drones. Even hitting low-flying missiles with microwave weapons will be difficult, and targets such as OTR, not to mention unguided shells for MLRS, are impossible in principle.

There remain kinetic methods of destruction - we have already mentioned air defense systems, small-caliber artillery is only suitable for hitting low-flying missiles and kamikaze UAVs, and without shells with remote detonation on the trajectory, which, by the way, are very expensive, judging by German products, and the effectiveness of small-caliber artillery is questionable.

What else?

A-222 "Beach"


In the material "Coast" against "air": the use of the A-222 self-propelled artillery system as a highly effective air defense system We considered the possibility of using coastal self-propelled artillery systems A-222 "Bereg" to destroy various types of explosive devices using 130 mm caliber shells equipped with radar fuses.

A prerequisite for considering this possibility is that the A-222 Bereg uses the same artillery gun as the Navy ships. fleet (Navy) of Russia, and these artillery systems, at least theoretically, should be capable of working against anti-ship missiles (ASM) and other air defense systems. And the ammunition load of the A-222 “Bereg” includes anti-aircraft shells with remote and radar fuses.


Combat vehicle of the A-222 "Bereg" complex

In comments to previously published material, doubts were expressed regarding the ability of the A-222 "Bereg" complexes to track high-speed air targets, but we do not need this, since the main targets considered for destruction with the help of the A-222 "Bereg" complexes, such as MLRS projectiles, including HIMARS, practically do not maneuver in the final part of the flight path. Accordingly, the A-222 “Bereg” complexes only require forward guidance to hit the projectile at the meeting point with the target, pre-calculated by the guidance means according to the data of the external radar that detects and tracks the airborne attack.

The question here is rather in the characteristics of 130 mm anti-aircraft shells, primarily their radar fuse - is it capable of reacting to such a fairly small target, with a small effective dispersion surface (RCS), like an MLRS or OTR shell, as well as in the power of the combat weapon? parts of a projectile to hit specified targets.

Currently, based on open data, the A-222 “Bereg” complexes are not involved in any way during a special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine, and they do not have a special niche - using them as “land” artillery systems is just a quick fix ruin the resource of the barrels, and the question is how many shells are there for these complexes, because the consumption of artillery shells on the line of combat contact (LCC) is estimated in hundreds of thousands - millions.

The A-222 "Bereg" complexes can potentially work against MLRS projectiles that have a fairly flat trajectory; the possibility of using the A-222 "Bereg" complexes to destroy missile launchers and kamikaze UAVs cannot be ruled out, provided that these complexes are placed on a hill for direct fire , for example, along the coastline of the Black Sea - in this case, the A-222 “Bereg” complexes could potentially be used to combat unmanned kamikaze boats (BEC).

As for the OTR, everything will depend on the angle of their approach to the target; most OTR in the final section descend almost vertically, in this case the A-222 Bereg complexes will not be able to fight even non-maneuvering OTR due to the limited elevation angles of the barrel (up to 50 degrees).

Can large-caliber artillery systems even work against such complex targets as cruise missiles and RS3O shells?

Yes, quite, even during the Second World War (WWII), large-caliber anti-aircraft artillery quite effectively used projectiles with radar fuses against German V-1 cruise missiles, and the existing cruise missiles were not far behind it in terms of flight performance characteristics (FTC), winning mainly accuracy of hits (well, and in terms of flight range).

Modern missile defense systems have less radar signature than the FAU-1, but the guidance of the A-222 “Bereg” complexes should be carried out by much more modern radars than those that the British had during WWII - after all, air defense systems operate quite successfully on missile defense systems , radar fuses of missile defense systems on the Kyrgyz Republic also fire.


V-1 – cruise missile

As for MLRS rockets, they are also successfully detected by modern radars and are hit by air defense systems, so in this case, the A-222 Bereg systems should be able to work against them, including guided projectiles of the HIMARS system. The speed of MLRS rockets is significantly higher than that of missile launchers, but they move along a high-altitude trajectory, that is, they can be detected in advance and attacked at a greater distance than missile launchers.

The problem is that we have quite a few A-222 "Bereg" complexes - only 6 units, and it is hardly advisable to produce an additional number of these rather complex and expensive machines just for the sake of using them as air defense systems, but potentially We also have other solutions, which we will talk about later.

Conclusions


It is hardly worth deceiving ourselves - the supply of long-range precision weapons is causing us significant damage, and the supply will continue and increase until we begin severely punish Western countries for them.

This means that in any case we will have to pay increased attention to active and passive defense against air attack weapons.
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  1. +9
    22 May 2024 04: 50
    I started reading the article: I immediately thought - Mitrofanov. I threw out so many topics in the article and didn’t really cover a single one, and at the end the conclusion was 5 lines long.
    1. -2
      22 May 2024 05: 05
      Quote: Bearded
      I started reading the article: I immediately thought - Mitrofanov.

      And it’s just wonderful that the author has his own style of presentation. I also recognize many authors: Shpakovsky, Skomorokhov...Is it bad when people share their thoughts and experiences with others?
      If you are not satisfied with something, write your own and we will immediately find out the style, grammar and syntax descendant of Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin the great Bearded Man...
      1. +1
        22 May 2024 05: 12
        Well, I’m still muttering opuses in messages... why should I care about Mitrofanovism wassat hi
      2. 0
        22 May 2024 11: 57
        Defending in a modern war is always more difficult than attacking. Roads, bridges, railway tracks, stations, power lines and distribution centers - and there is no need to punish anyone in your fantasies, like the author of the article.
        People who have no idea about modern war don’t even imagine that it takes only 4 months to reach the Polish border and the losses will be significantly less than now. How to get this into the heads of the leadership of the Russian Armed Forces, the General Staff of the Armed Forces? How to teach and tell about how much can be done now, while organizational training will take no more than 4 months and is based on the achieved level of military training, although this level does not stand up to criticism? And there is no need to use nuclear weapons or change the current leadership at all levels, especially since the SVO is underway...
        1. 0
          26 June 2024 14: 40
          I agree with almost everything you said, except for one thing. Do you really think that the leadership of the Armed Forces and General Staff of the Russian Federation does not understand the inconsistency of the chosen method of conducting combat operations? They are simply military men and, by virtue of their oath, are obliged to carry out the commands of the Supreme Commander. In the end, it turns out what is intended, because as I said
          F. D. Roosevelt: “Nothing happens by accident in politics. If something happened, it was planned that way.”
          1. 0
            26 June 2024 17: 17
            Have you decided to read my comments? You can also read Okko077’s comments. It's me too, only my account is banned forever. Nothing has changed in 8 years. Military people carry out the assigned task, but how and with what, they decide for themselves. And they must prepare the army for modern war.
            Do you really think that the leadership of the Armed Forces and General Staff of the Russian Federation does not understand the inconsistency of the chosen method of conducting combat operations?

            They don’t know any other way and don’t even imagine...In 2000, Putin, by his decree, ordered the development and creation of the Sozvezdie-M ESU TK and equipping the army with it to wage a modern war based on the requirements of the military until 2020. Leadership of the Armed Forces and General Staff of the Russian Federation still cannot decide on the requirements for this system. The system has been created, trillions of rubles have been spent, but it does not exist, it does not work and cannot work!
    2. +12
      22 May 2024 05: 08
      until we start harshly punishing Western countries for them.
      And this requires will and courage, and not an expression of dissatisfaction in front of “partners”!
  2. +6
    22 May 2024 04: 54
    The enemy’s ability to strike deep into Russian territory is continuously increasing

    There is no doubt that “slobbering” (“clean spitting”), ostentatious nobility (in relation to whom - the Nazis?) can lead to the most serious consequences. How long can you wave cambric handkerchiefs in front of the noses of mad dogs? How long can one say that Nazi leaders are inviolable persons, how do they differ from ordinary people, and how much more valuable are their lives than the lives of Russians?
    But, sitting behind the Kremlin (or some other) walls, surrounded by the FSO, you can continue to experiment on ordinary people... For a while...
    It is hardly worth deceiving yourself - the supply of long-range precision weapons is causing us significant damage, and the supply will continue and increase until we begin to severely punish Western countries for them.

    Yes
    1. +14
      22 May 2024 05: 04
      Every nation has the power it deserves.
      And the consequences it deserves. State power is only the first of the consequences of popular morals and merit.
      1. +4
        22 May 2024 05: 07
        Quote: ivan2022
        Every nation has the power it deserves.

        And no one doubts this... Only you can pose the question differently:
        “For what merits did these people secure themselves permanent power for decades?”
        1. +2
          22 May 2024 05: 15
          Quote: ROSS 42
          “For what merits did these people secure themselves permanent power for decades?”

          Or you can pose the question this way: For what merits did the government ensure its irremovability for decades?
        2. -17
          22 May 2024 05: 15
          I am a second Chechen and am quite satisfied with the authorities, although I have never voted... lol
          1. +7
            22 May 2024 05: 23
            Quote from Enceladus
            I am the second Chechen and completely satisfied with the authorities, although I have never voted...

            This is nice! fellow Take a cookie from the shelf for now, and by the age of 65 you will be awarded the “Order of the Stooped”...
            Complete satisfaction from power cannot be obtained a priori - tea is not a girl of seductive forms and unbridled temperament. But if there is power in a country, there must be people who are completely satisfied with it...
            I am not happy with how the government divides our money, forgetting to pay off debts...
            And I also can’t make out what she’s looming ahead of us...
            I don’t see any prospects, just chatter...
            1. -18
              22 May 2024 05: 25
              Quote: ROSS 42
              I'm not satisfied

              Well, take the threshold too and polish the order of the stooped... any questions for me?
              Quote: ROSS 42
              And I also can’t make out what she’s looming ahead of us...
              I don’t see any prospects, just chatter...

              GDP said to heaven, that means to heaven... Or are you a follower of British scientists?
              1. 0
                22 May 2024 05: 27
                Quote from Enceladus
                any questions for me?

                And I didn’t ask you any questions. Your opinion on all issues is determined by:
                Quote from Enceladus
                and power quite satisfied

                You can write - fully!!!
                1. -18
                  22 May 2024 05: 31
                  And also, calm down your mongrels, that they put minuses... if you did, it would be noticeable, but when the dialogue immediately shows -8 - can you tell me your account?
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Your opinion on all issues is determined

                  Here's one more opinion. I’m a combat officer and I didn’t get stars for a lot of money, just like Father in Afghanistan and Grandfather in World War II. Although there are communities here that believe that I am a tryndobol. It’s kind of parallel to me... everyone has the right, that’s what this forum is for. On the contrary - if they give not only pluses - this is a sign that they support me, and other polishing lovers feel anger and envy. hi
                  1. -9
                    22 May 2024 05: 35
                    And also the accounts that put minuses are easily tracked, no matter how hard the admins fight. Therefore, if I personally give a minus, it’s only for the cause soldier
                    1. 0
                      22 May 2024 12: 18
                      How can I see who is downvoting?
                  2. +2
                    22 May 2024 05: 36
                    Quote from Enceladus
                    I’m a combat officer and I didn’t get stars for a lot of money

                    On this and finish ...
                    1. -14
                      22 May 2024 05: 42
                      Based on the minuses, I see that your community has not calmed down and you are not going to end it.
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      On this and finish ...
                      I might not have written - but still.
                      If you can't say something, that's one thing. I didn’t see that you were throwing away your regalia. There are 2 options here
                      1. You are afraid, but then why the minus?
                      2. Tryndobol with a community - which pushes its opinion

                      You don't look like a teenager. The spelling of the First Name and Patronymic usually corresponds to an older person. 42 years old... it's amazing that you rattle off messages so quickly. In general, I only scratch with my right hand, since my left hand has been problematic for a year now after being wounded.
                      But for an older person there are too many statements... ala youngster... oh, the authorities don’t suit me and that’s all. Well, in order to have an opinion, you need to argue, prove the idea... otherwise it’s just nonsense and whatnot the desire to write - ala BBB
                      1. 0
                        22 May 2024 05: 47
                        Quote from Enceladus
                        42 years old... it's amazing that you rattle off messages so quickly.

                        They taught well in Soviet school...
                        But you still can’t calm down? Hide your dagger before Vadim Smirnov tells you that spam is not allowed on the site...
                      2. -4
                        22 May 2024 05: 54
                        Quote: ROSS 42
                        Hide your dagger before Vadim Smirnov tells you that spam is not allowed on the site

                        Hiding behind the privileges of communication with admins? Spam does not concern dialogue between people. If you want to have a heart-to-heart talk... welcome in PM. I was responding to your message about dissatisfaction with the authorities. If I spam, then so do you. Sorry... you probably have different ideas.
                      3. -8
                        22 May 2024 05: 56
                        And the fact that there are a lot of minuses and not only from you is a direct violation of the rules. Go to Smirnov with this. Maybe you’ll start calling me obscenities some time soon?
                      4. 0
                        22 May 2024 14: 26
                        Quote from Enceladus
                        Based on the minuses, I see that your community has not calmed down and you are not going to end it.

                        Listen! Don't worry so much about the downsides. Here they openly discuss and share their thoughts. They approve or disapprove of our thoughts. A minus is an indicator of disagreement with your (mine, his) opinion or statement. But only . hi
                  3. -9
                    22 May 2024 06: 58
                    calm down your mongrels for putting minuses...

                    Don't pay attention to these minuses winked There are a lot of chubatians and all sorts of liberals here, as on any sites and forums. They sit and quietly shit themselves out of envy, but what else can they do? They have such amazing platforms as IN There is not. At most they can pour out bile in the cart wassat
              2. +8
                22 May 2024 05: 48
                VVP said to heaven, that means to heaven...

                It is inappropriate to quote such nonsense...
                1. -9
                  22 May 2024 05: 51
                  You are not a military man Vladimir, so I don’t think it’s worth starting the topic hi
            2. +10
              22 May 2024 05: 39
              I don’t see any prospects, just chatter...

              the prospects are tragic for the remnants of the Russian-speaking population and quite rosy for our new fellow citizens
              1. +5
                22 May 2024 05: 45
                Quote: Vladimir80
                the prospects are tragic for the remnants of the Russian-speaking

                Vladimir! That's what we're talking about...After 16% on deposits, I began to have a bad feeling that something like the default of the early 90s was imminent...And what are the prospects in the country in the fields of education, healthcare, law enforcement, purchasing housing, not to mention getting favorite (chosen) specialty and place of employment with a decent salary... I simply don’t consider issues of family and children...
                1. -4
                  22 May 2024 05: 50
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  already about obtaining your favorite (chosen) specialty and a place of employment with a decent salary

                  You know, I entered the Faculty of Physics at Moscow State University without exams and realized that no one could earn normal money in their specialty and everyone who completed the course + - in their specialty. Some sons/daughters never went any further. Therefore, in 99 I followed my brother to Chechnya. And in many ways I now feel quite comfortable in civilian life. And more than in his time, my father, although he is a military officer... in the 90s they eked out a poor existence.
                  1. +7
                    22 May 2024 08: 55
                    Lord hussars!
                    With all due respect to the crap on the forum, I kindly request you to move this shit to a PM! You too have respect for the rest of the forum members!
                    PS Regardless of agreement/disagreement with any side of the srach.
        3. +1
          22 May 2024 12: 13
          Quote: ROSS 42
          And no one doubts this... Only you can pose the question differently:
          “For what merits did these people secure themselves permanent power for decades?”
          And this is not “otherwise”, but from a completely different opera.
          Power is not given for any merit. A medal or pension is given for merit.
          I seem to have formulated clearly; "what kind of people, such to him, that is, to the people power is due." Biblical truth, known for thousands of years, but I see - thoroughly forgotten ..
          1. -2
            22 May 2024 12: 29
            Quote: ivan2022
            And this is not “otherwise”, but from a completely different opera. Power is not given for any merit. Power is not a pension.

            I can’t understand you...Are you offended by my wording or are you firmly convinced that the people (voters) delegate powers for beautiful eyes, sweet promises and correctly composed (read) sentences?
            Power is (should be) given to the most worthy among the worthy, and a person’s dignity is determined by the list of his past merits. Forgive me for my directness, but I will not sing hosannas to public figures who have been taken out, like a jack-in-the-box, and who have not just white spots in their biography, but areas of darkness!!!
            Yes, power is not a pension! You noticed this correctly. And unlike a pension, it is not due until death...And it also requires reporting in understandable numbers and units of measurement. Not just simple words: “We all worked hard together and divided the income according to the law...” And this government must also give a clear answer to the question:
            “Why in Russia, because of such a wonderful life, are people not fruitful and multiplying? »
            Quote: ivan2022
            I seem to have clearly formulated; “what kind of people, this is the kind of power HE IS PEOPLE is entitled to.

            And I seem to have answered clearly:
            And no one doubts this...
            1. 0
              22 May 2024 13: 01
              Quote: ROSS 42 Today, 05:07
              “For what merits did these people secure themselves permanent power for decades?”
              Quote: ROSS 42 Today, 12:29
              “Power is given (should be given) to the most worthy among the worthy... And I, it seems, clearly answered: But no one doubts this...”

              Where were you taught to change your shoes on the go? (now don’t be offended).... Either “they provided for themselves,” or “power must be given.”....These are completely different things, as I noted earlier...How should I understand you?
              Power should be given on merit, but they “secured” themselves not because “it should be given,” but. because...” answered clearly: And no one doubts this...”.
              1. -4
                22 May 2024 14: 49
                Quote: ivan2022
                Where were you taught to change your shoes on the go?

                Come up with something more truthful.
                stop Look at my message form and yours...As they say, feel the difference!!!
                You are not even able to really explain anything, but you become a hedgehog pose...
                I don't want to talk to you... No.
                1. 0
                  22 May 2024 15: 04
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  I don't want to talk to you...

                  Nothing to cover? Happens..........DO NOT BE OFFENSED! hi
                  1. -1
                    22 May 2024 15: 12
                    Quote: ivan2022
                    Nothing to cover?

                    Do you know the expression (saying):
                    Deaf people do not serve mass twice
                    What does it mean - do you know?
                    Do not repeat something to someone who does not want to or cannot understand. It is also used as a jokingly ironic response to the request of an inattentive interlocutor to repeat what he listened to.

                    Consider yourself a winner in the “deaf” competition...
                    1. -1
                      22 May 2024 16: 35
                      Quote: ROSS 42 Today, 14:49
                      I don't want to talk to you...

                      Quote: ROSS 42 Today Today, 15:12
                      Do you know the expression (saying):
                      Deaf people do not serve mass twice

                      My friend, you “don’t want to communicate”? So how long? And I didn’t ask you to repeat anything. You are the one who comes up with your speeches every 20 minutes.
  3. +1
    22 May 2024 05: 09
    What the West wanted, that’s what it achieved - a war of attrition... The Russian Federation’s margin of safety, of course, is incomparably greater... But it does not add optimism.
    1. +3
      22 May 2024 05: 14
      The enemy’s ability to strike deep into Russian territory is continuously increasing
      but we have a lot of red markers.
      1. +5
        22 May 2024 05: 25
        Yes, the supply (of markers) is also incomparable wink And the arrival of the Nabiulin team in the Moscow Region does not inspire...
        1. +4
          22 May 2024 05: 43
          And the arrival of the Nabiulin team in the Moscow Region does not inspire...

          I propose Elvira Sakhipzadovna for the next president (in 2030) - firstly, such a gender choice will be approved by the UN, WHO and the USA, and secondly, our new fellow citizens (valuable specialists!!!) will approve!!!
          1. +1
            22 May 2024 08: 57
            Quote: Vladimir80
            I propose Elvira Sakhipzadovna for the next president (in 2030)

            What do you mean, how can someone else be in the middle of a galley crossing!
    2. +5
      22 May 2024 05: 25
      Quote: Medvedev_Dmitry
      The Russian Federation, of course, has an incomparably greater margin of safety...

      ...than Ukraine...But at what rate is this strength being stolen into pockets, despite the situation...
    3. +2
      22 May 2024 05: 41
      The Russian Federation, of course, has an incomparably greater safety margin

      more than at the outskirts? so they moved the entire S.A. here. and slowly began to resettle Africa???? strengthening the strength, so to speak...
    4. 0
      22 May 2024 12: 27
      Quote: Medvedev_Dmitry
      The Russian Federation, of course, has an incomparably greater margin of safety...

      In the sense that “we’ll wipe ourselves with a burdock”? Yes... We have enough strength and resources, we just lack intelligence and there is a clear excess of thieves in comparison with Europe.

      While we were living in the USSR, we were all thinking: “Will the people plunder and drink their country away or not?”..... It was a success. And at today’s new level, when they fought among themselves (and not at all with the West), the question is already posed differently; "Who has more strength?" Progress is clear in some ways laughing
  4. +5
    22 May 2024 05: 10
    The enemy’s ability to strike deep into Russian territory is continuously increasing

    Of course they are increasing, but since the main one is calm, it means we’ll somehow “stretch out” for another 6 years, and only God knows what will happen after that...
  5. +12
    22 May 2024 05: 23
    Remember, dear forum users, how Western help to Kakland began. It began with the supply of body armor, helmets, tents and bandages
    1. +4
      22 May 2024 05: 35
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Remember, dear forum users, how Western help to Kaklyandiya began.

      We even remember which regions of Russia suffered from the direct impact of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and with what intensity the shelling of the LDPR took place...
      In my naivety, I assumed that Russia would attack with all its might and crush the snake’s den (even through the use of tactical nuclear weapons). But I was wrong. And I don’t see any bright prospects ahead, because after the end of the BD there will be a historical era of merger in the conditions of sabotage by the surviving Nazis - the moratorium has not been lifted, but the uncut forest is sprouting...
      1. +4
        22 May 2024 05: 54
        my son is in the Kherson region, do you know what they are doing? across the Dnieper they exchange fire and use drones to terrorize each other. It’s the same until the Victory as before...well, you get the idea.
      2. +3
        22 May 2024 13: 52
        Quote: ROSS 42
        In my naivety, I assumed that Russia would attack with all its might and crush the snake’s den (even through the use of tactical nuclear weapons).

        At a minimum, there was no need to recognize Poroshenko after the unconstitutional coup in Kyiv, and the referendums in Donbass should have been recognized immediately, along with Crimea.
        We acted “brilliantly”, taking everything from a sore head to a healthy one, and they exposed Crimea as annexation, and the Northern Military District as aggression, wasting all their trump cards within the framework of international law. The entire south-east of Ukraine was waiting for Russia, but no one supported the “Russian Spring”, did not demand an all-Ukrainian referendum, having the legitimate Yanukovych and Azarov, with Yanukovych’s official appeal for help.
        Now what about this, this is already history, we have what we have. Another question is why everything is like this... Maybe because our bourgeoisie themselves are already agents of foreign influence, having everything in the West and with the West?
        Maybe because the “Maidan” in Moscow in 1991 was the same anti-constitutional coup that violated the constitution and the referendum for the preservation of the USSR? Maybe because real communists cannot be former, and opportunistic careerists, renegades, cannot be true patriots, having once betrayed both the party and the country itself.
  6. +7
    22 May 2024 06: 22
    Two thirds of the comments are ordinary flood. And the topic is important. The country is led by traders who supply strategic goods to Ukraine, Europe, and America. And our leaders don’t even try to snap back and seriously prohibit the West from doing business with Ukraine; they, like terrapins, only whine and complain to us about the West. And we are happy to choose patience.
    Now they are saying that a global deal, a kind of shameful “Brest peace”, is being prepared.
    1. +4
      22 May 2024 07: 19
      They have been talking about this since the beginning of the counter-offensive (squeezing out), since February somewhere... And yet, it seems they didn’t stop at the Dnieper... This is where things are heading
  7. +7
    22 May 2024 07: 17
    So all this could have been predicted with a high probability already in the second half of the 22nd. After Istanbul. After a lot of “red lines” and shameful retreats. When they showed their "flexibility". If after Georgia, after Crimea they were afraid of us and could not predict our reaction, now they are demonstratively putting pressure both economically and by military means. And, indeed, the further we go, the stronger and more painful the pressure will be for us. From the West’s side, this has long been a full-fledged war. This means that we need to restructure our behavior on a military scale. And in the army, and in politics, and in the economy. But we all can’t get rid of Leopold the cat syndrome.
  8. -1
    22 May 2024 07: 37
    The solution in conclusion is to react harshly to supplies, but how and with what is not clear
  9. +5
    22 May 2024 07: 38
    The Ukrainian Armed Forces are shelling our territory not out of powerlessness in the LBS, but because the conflict has taken the form of a war of attrition. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are hitting refineries and other infrastructure - we are doing the same, destroying their energy, but we have much more opportunities.

    The conclusion that “the West must be punished” does not correspond to the text at all, and is itself incorrect. We are destroying Ukrainian resources and seeking peace from them on our terms, which is the original goal of the Northern Military District and this goal has not changed, and there is no reason to change it yet. It seems that we are moving in this direction very successfully - even Khodorkovsky admitted that by 26-27 we will reach Lvov.

    The defeat of Ukraine will be the defeat of the West.
    1. 0
      23 May 2024 07: 33
      Almost true, but... Imagine what will happen when they start firing American missiles at Moscow, Sochi, and other places? And imagine if it’s not the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but disguised US Army missilemen on installations repainted with Ukrainian insignia. Yes, our air defense will shoot down something, but you won’t shoot down 100 percent! This will be a direct threat to both the sovereignty of the country and the life of Putin himself.
    2. 0
      23 May 2024 07: 47
      We are destroying their resources, but they are constantly fed by the entire NATO.
    3. 0
      23 May 2024 07: 49
      Peace on our terms can only come from the liquidation of Ukraine as a state.
  10. +6
    22 May 2024 07: 39
    I wouldn't attack the author. The questions are correct, but they are unanswered. At the same time, note that we are already talking about how we can fight back..... I will express a seditious thought. Russia will not defeat Ukraine on the battlefield. But Ukraine is also incapable of winning. Dead end. To the delight of our Western partners...
    1. +6
      22 May 2024 08: 03
      Russia is not able to win with its current approach - continuous attempts to come to an agreement with the West, to beg for “forgiveness.” Which, quite obviously, are beneficial only to our (or no longer our) oligarchs.
      1. +1
        23 May 2024 07: 35
        What definitely won’t work is to beg forgiveness from the West. Milosevic, Hussein, and Gaddafi tried to do this. Failed.
  11. 0
    22 May 2024 08: 00
    For information on Ukrainian drones, see screen shot:
    General Director of JSC Ukroboronprom German Smetanin said that in 2024 Ukraine has already caught up with Russia in the production of kamikaze drones similar to Shahed-131 and Shahed-136, as well as in the production of other attack drones.

    The General Director emphasizes that a large number of private developers and scientists have been involved in the development of new types of weapons. There are already innovative developments that are suitable for tomorrow.

    Illustration: Line of Ukrainian long-range systems from OSINT researcher HI Sutton. The last update was made a couple of weeks ago.
    1. -2
      22 May 2024 12: 23
      he can trend anything
  12. +2
    22 May 2024 08: 15
    "The lack of success on the battlefield led to.."
    Well, the war also affected us personally. Yesterday a message came to our workshop about the death of our mobilized man. Young, 25 years old. I suggested and continue to propose that when an only child is drafted into the army, the Defense Ministry should take away the genetic material from such children. In order to ensure the continuation of the family! Parents need grandchildren! Continuation of the family!! So what? No responsibility, fight for the rest of your life. And this article speaks of the mediocrity of our government. They cannot organize anything for the security of the country and the people. Before taking our children, let them send their own to the front!! Then they will immediately begin to think and everything will be found right away!
    1. 0
      22 May 2024 11: 35
      “And this article speaks of the mediocrity of our government. They cannot organize anything for the security of the country and the people. Before taking our children, let them send their own to the front!! Then they will immediately start to think and everything will be found right away!”

      Our people chose this government.
      1. +1
        22 May 2024 19: 51
        "Our people chose this government...."
        This song is old, it's time to crap it! Come up with a new one and screw it up quickly!
    2. -1
      22 May 2024 12: 25
      and who will bear this child?
      1. 0
        22 May 2024 19: 52
        "Who will bear this child?..."
        Please consult with Pugacheva and Kirkorov.
        1. -1
          23 May 2024 05: 23
          they paid a lot of money for this
  13. +3
    22 May 2024 08: 47
    “It’s hardly worth deceiving yourself - the supply of long-range precision weapons is causing us significant damage, and the supply will continue and increase until we begin to severely punish Western countries for them.”
    Do we seem to be punishing or has everyone forgotten the hard red lines, reserving the right of response and complaints to the UN? And the new president once again, this time in China, complained that “we were deceived.”
  14. -1
    22 May 2024 08: 59
    the supply of long-range precision weapons is causing us significant damage, and the supply will continue and increase until we begin to severely punish Western countries for them

    We may have punished the West, but the Kremlin can’t or doesn’t want to, or maybe it’s afraid.
  15. 2al
    +2
    22 May 2024 09: 36
    The funny thing is that the Black Sea Fleet has the ability to deploy effective electronic warfare equipment on ships, including electronic warfare/electronic warfare equipment, incl. on UAVs launched from ships, in fact it does not use such capabilities, especially against reconnaissance UAVs and BECs. Although, for example, the Chinese Navy calmly uses lasers to illuminate not only UAVs, but also P-8 reconnaissance aircraft. There is a noticeable passivity and lack of initiative in the fleet to combat NATO and BEC reconnaissance assets. This is despite the fact that the fleet, especially in terms of specialists, has much more capabilities than the ground forces, but the armed forces have more initiative and, accordingly, results.
  16. +1
    22 May 2024 09: 49
    The enemy’s capabilities to strike deep into Russian territory are continuously increasing, but there has not been an adequate response and apparently there never will be.
    1. 2al
      -5
      22 May 2024 10: 07
      Moreover, it is not a fact that the strikes are carried out from the territory of Ukraine.
  17. 0
    22 May 2024 10: 44
    After this nonsense I stopped reading - “Yes, for example, laser and microwave weapons, the cost of a shot should be no more than a few hundred rubles. The deployment of laser weapon systems (LS) by Western and Eastern countries has already begun, but the situation with laser weapons in Russia is hidden behind a veil secrecy."
    The author is probably young and doesn’t know what - 50 years have passed since the American SDI and things haven’t gone beyond beautiful, beautiful cartoons. But hundreds of billions have been cut.
    1. +1
      22 May 2024 11: 43
      Are you discrediting? wink But what about the analogue of "Peresvet" smile
  18. -3
    22 May 2024 10: 48
    Quote from Enceladus
    And the fact that there are a lot of minuses and not only from you is a direct violation of the rules. Go to Smirnov with this. Maybe you’ll start calling me obscenities some time soon?

    It’s not clear why you’re surprised; half of the commentators here are Israeli trolls. That’s their job.
  19. +5
    22 May 2024 11: 01
    It seems to me that the average person will never understand one simple thing - we all no longer live in the USSR.
    The Russian Federation has no economic opportunity to wage war with developed countries.
    The Soviet foundation is all over - there is no working peasantry and working class, as well as the administrative apparatus that emerged from their midst. With Manturov and Chemezov, wars are not won.
    Therefore, as soon as the USA and China come to an agreement (and sooner or later they will agree, as they did in the 70s and 80s) and the entire Kerdyk-90s will seem like a fun matinee.
    Therefore, the Russian leadership has no other choice but to wait in the hope that its partners will provide guarantees of personal safety for a certain circle of people.
  20. 0
    22 May 2024 11: 01
    Quote: Jacques Sekavar
    The enemy’s capabilities to strike deep into Russian territory are continuously increasing, but there has not been an adequate response and apparently there never will be.

    Interesting, what do you offer?
    1. +2
      22 May 2024 12: 50
      In some regions, hiding from shelling, people do not come out of their basements, while in others they “sing and dance” as in peacetime. The NWO has long turned into a strange war, against the backdrop of which the economy is growing, GDP is rising, import substitution and income growth are rising.

      “Interesting, what do you offer?”

      Exactly what is usually done during real wars:
      1. Severance of diplomatic relations
      2. Destruction of the apparatus of state, economic, industrial and military administration at all levels, communication systems, production and agricultural bases, disruption of transport communications - railway junctions, automobile, aviation sea and river facilities, bridges and tunnels, pipelines and main electrical lines lines
      3. Mobilizing the economy for victory - “everything for the front, everything for victory”
      4. Prohibition during war of any trade and economic relations with the enemy, and especially the supply of the enemy with any products, raw materials, feed
      5. Based on the possibility, cut off the enemy’s external supply of weapons, raw materials, and energy
      1. +2
        22 May 2024 13: 06
        Escalation is a direct path to defeat, because the West can subsidize Ukraine as much as it wants, but Russia will not survive in such a “military” regime even for several years. Russia is not the USSR, which had twice the population, and the Warsaw Pact countries; now even Kazakhstan is imposing sanctions. The possibility of victory was only in March 2022, if the air defense had been suppressed and our aviation had achieved air supremacy (consider it had the ability to use aerial bombs).
        The only hope now is that the West will take pity on us and allow us to exit the conflict with minimal losses.
  21. +1
    22 May 2024 11: 45
    Quote: curvimeter
    Are you discrediting? But what about the analogue of "Peresvet"

    Well, if only “Peresvet” - but that’s different, it feeds directly on the holy apostles and myrrh-streaming icons.
  22. -1
    22 May 2024 12: 58
    The border is too large to organize all the proposed methods of protection, IMHO.
    There is no way out at all; neither side is capable of an active offensive; it seems that the conflict will drag on for another decade.
  23. -3
    22 May 2024 14: 00
    Quote: Dozorny severa
    The Soviet foundation is all over - there is no working peasantry and working class, as well as the administrative apparatus that emerged from their midst. With Manturov and Chemezov, wars are not won.
    Therefore, as soon as the USA and China come to an agreement (and sooner or later they will agree, as they did in the 70s and 80s) and the entire Kerdyk-90s will seem like a fun matinee.


    You are only discrediting the communists with your ridiculous statements. There is no working peasantry, but we collect good harvests and sell grain. There is no working class - plants and factories are working, including producing weapons in considerable quantities. Or did Harry Potter give Putin a magic wand to make all this appear?

    The USA and China will no longer agree; their warm relations have come to an end. Our bubble is too small for two such powers. So there is no chance for us to get into trouble.
    It’s better to take care of direct party responsibilities. Otherwise, the position of the communists in the political field has weakened considerably; you, comrade citizens, have lost the trust of the people, judging by the results of the last elections.
  24. +1
    22 May 2024 14: 04
    Quote: Jacques Sekavar
    In some regions, hiding from shelling, people do not come out of their basements, while in others they “sing and dance” as in peacetime. The NWO has long turned into a strange war, against the backdrop of which the economy is growing, GDP is rising, import substitution and income growth are rising.

    “Interesting, what do you offer?”

    Exactly what is usually done during real wars:
    1. Severance of diplomatic relations
    2. Destruction of the apparatus of state, economic, industrial and military administration at all levels, communication systems, production and agricultural bases, disruption of transport communications - railway junctions, automobile, aviation sea and river facilities, bridges and tunnels, pipelines and main electrical lines lines
    3. Mobilizing the economy for victory - “everything for the front, everything for victory”
    4. Prohibition during war of any trade and economic relations with the enemy, and especially the supply of the enemy with any products, raw materials, feed
    5. Based on the possibility, cut off the enemy’s external supply of weapons, raw materials, and energy

    All these measures cannot be carried out in the Russian Federation, let’s skip points 1 and 2 and go straight to point 3.
    What kind of mobilization are you writing about? Who to mobilize - office plankton? children of officials and deputies? Where to get machines to increase the production of weapons, where to get technical specialists and managers of the Soviet type. And finally, where to get the party of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) and the communists themselves who organized the construction of industry and science.
  25. -3
    22 May 2024 14: 04
    Quote: Dozorny severa
    The author is probably young and doesn’t know what - 50 years have passed since the American SDI and things haven’t moved beyond beautiful, beautiful cartoons.


    Combat lasers already exist and are in use (even if not in orbit).
    In the USSR, during perestroika times, successful tests of microwave weapons took place on the territory of Kazakhstan. Work in this direction could be continued in our time.
  26. -1
    22 May 2024 14: 09
    Quote: Illanatol
    You are only discrediting the communists with your ridiculous statements. There is no working peasantry, but we collect good harvests and sell grain. There is no working class - plants and factories are working, including producing weapons in considerable quantities.

    Stop with your slogans already. Grain is being exported because cattle and small livestock have long been destroyed along with agricultural machinery, and store-bought milk is a surrogate.
    Weapons are produced in Soviet factories, by Soviet specialists and using Soviet developments.
  27. 0
    22 May 2024 14: 27
    Why does the first photo show a salvo of North Korean missiles?
    1. 0
      22 May 2024 21: 06
      This is Himars with ATACMS
      https://www.linkedin.com/posts/yuriyjexenev_the-increase-in-atacms-production-has-eased-activity-7192138121746989056-rDhT

      Photo with North Korean missiles
      https://www.news18.com/world/north-korea-confirms-that-it-tested-long-range-ballistic-missile-on-thursday-7312249.html
  28. +2
    22 May 2024 16: 52
    I propose to respond to this threat by angrily expressing concern and drawing a red line. Let Zakharova and Medvedev threaten again with their fingers so that the whole world shudders in fear. So China is not agreeing to close cooperation. Cowards rule the country, because real estate, assets and children and grandchildren are in the West.
  29. -3
    22 May 2024 16: 53
    UAVs of NATO countries, especially those located over the neutral waters of the Black Sea, can and should be shot down in any way

    You can't shoot it down. Otherwise, our aircraft will similarly begin to fly over the neutral waters of all seas and oceans. You can only interfere with work in every possible way. For example, to carry out “unprofessional and unsafe interception”, jamming with electronic warfare, blowing away with a jet stream, shooting various pyrotechnics along the course..
  30. 0
    22 May 2024 18: 42
    Most of the article is devoted to the ability of the Bereg AK (allegedly) to successfully combat air targets. How is this confirmed? Were there any experimental shootings and if so, what effectiveness did they show? At first glance, the rate of fire and guidance speed of the "Bereg" do not at all meet modern requirements for combating air targets.
  31. kig
    0
    23 May 2024 02: 14
    If you pick up a weapon, then be prepared that it will be used against you. The fact that the Northern Military District was not heading in the direction that our powers that be would like was clear two years ago.
  32. 0
    24 May 2024 17: 00
    Hello. Yes, the new long-range missiles are a problem. First there were winged storms, now there are ballistic atacms. And we are coping with them rather poorly; a lot of air defense systems have already been knocked out in Crimea. Here is an example https://t.me/milinfolive/122838?single
    In this regard, a question for experts on the issue. I know that launchers, for example from iris-t, can be placed from the command post and radar up to 20 km. We have S300 and S400 all crowded together and in the video you can see how one missile covers the entire complex. Is it technically not possible to space them at least 1 km apart from each other or is it just written that way (are you used to it) in the rules?????