Russia has developed a grenade launcher to combat small drones on the battlefield

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Russia has developed a grenade launcher to combat small drones on the battlefield

In Russia, a shot with remote detonation has been created for an under-barrel grenade launcher, designed to destroy small drones enemy. The patent for the invention was received by the Military Academy of Logistics and Technical Support named after Army General A.V. Khrulev.

The academy has developed a new grenade launcher shot that allows it to hit small drones in flight. As stated, the use of this shot does not require the serviceman to have any special training in combating UAVs; he must simply be able to use an under-barrel grenade launcher.



(...) at present, there are practically no easy-to-use individual means that would allow each serviceman, without lengthy preliminary training, to effectively combat enemy UAVs both during preparation and during combat

- leads TASS excerpt from the description.

The new one differs from a regular shot in the increased density of the cloud of fragments, as well as the possibility of remote detonation. The shot can be used with underbarrel grenade launchers GP-25, GP-30 or GP-34.

It is worth noting that this is not the first invention of this kind patented in Russia; in 2021, the Peter the Great Strategic Missile Forces Military Academy developed and tested a shot to neutralize drones. As reported, the ammunition for the grenade launcher had a combat and throwing parts; the warhead was made of separate striking elements located inside the body, and striking segments fastened together by flexible elements forming a network. No other details were reported.

The US also has ammunition for an under-barrel grenade launcher that fires a net to neutralize drones.
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  1. +4
    14 May 2024 07: 55
    Great news. The grenade launcher has applications in drones.
    1. +1
      14 May 2024 09: 39
      Big brother is watching us)
      Trapp1st
      3
      +1
      April 16 2024 09: 54
      New
      you need a special cartridge, preferably, of course, for an under-barrel grenade launcher, there is a larger caliber and mass armament of infantry with it. Anti-drone guns are not effective, and every or almost every fighter should have a means of self-defense; you can’t get enough guns.
      1. 0
        14 May 2024 10: 25
        Doesn't follow. If we didn’t write to Khinshtein, we would have thought for a long time
    2. 0
      14 May 2024 09: 39
      I have doubts about this use of this ammunition. If a drone hovers above a fighter’s head, the explosion will cover the fighter himself. IMHO, it would be worth thinking about developing grapeshot ammunition for a grenade launcher! Well, that’s my sofa IMHO.
      1. +1
        14 May 2024 11: 04
        This is grapeshot, only thicker and longer than shotgun cartridges
        1. 0
          14 May 2024 11: 11
          The new one differs from a regular shot in the increased density of the cloud of fragments, as well as the possibility of remote detonation.
          Quote: alebdun2000
          This is grapeshot,
          What's in it? Or shrapnel? I wrote about the need for a DIRECTED beam of destructive elements!
          1. -1
            14 May 2024 11: 17
            When firing a shotgun, does it produce a directed beam of pellets? Where he sent it, he flies there, and because... change the narrowing of the choke on the barrel and the shot is in the wad and flies 3/4 of the way as one bullet. Then, overtaking the wad, it opens up creating a bundle of shot. Why don't you like a directed beam of destructive elements? This is how it is done in a pomegranate, only more of everything
            1. 0
              14 May 2024 11: 33
              All this, of course, is educational for me (I’m not a hunter, I’m a fisherman), and I don’t argue with that. But, based on the article, the new BP hits the target with an EXPLOSION of fragmentation ammunition, which can pose a danger to the shooter. And I wrote that it is worth considering a BP that hits a target with a directed beam of shot, buckshot, shrapnel, etc. A shotgun, as the most effective anti-drone weapon, cannot be given to every fighter, so it would be possible to use a grenade launcher in this capacity.
  2. -4
    14 May 2024 07: 55
    The question is, where is this ammunition in the SVO? I haven’t read anything, haven’t seen anything and don’t have any information about their use.
    In a situation where there are drones instead of flies, all fighters should have had such grenades in the LBS area for a long time.
    1. +15
      14 May 2024 07: 58
      In the article about created, developed by и patente, and not about adoption and mass production.
      So far there is nothing like this in service
      1. +4
        14 May 2024 08: 07
        If the head of the GRAU is taken to the LBS for a couple of days, and they also say that this is not the last trip, then they will take him into service very quickly.
        1. 0
          14 May 2024 08: 32
          Why are they downvoted? The idea is quite sound.
          1. +4
            14 May 2024 09: 20
            It's normal here. Never argue with idiots. You will sink to their level, where they will crush you with their experience.
  3. +5
    14 May 2024 07: 57
    What’s important here is how it will show itself in a real situation on the battlefield, and not on training grounds, what the fighters will say in real life and not on camera. I don’t argue that it’s a useful thing and it’s better than not.
  4. KCA
    -1
    14 May 2024 08: 03
    Wouldn't it be easier to introduce a shotgun into the armament of a squad or combat vehicle? There’s a lot more sense, especially since these are standard special forces weapons, and not grandfather Pikhto’s double-barreled guns
    1. +3
      14 May 2024 08: 26
      For about six months now, engineering units have been officially equipped with Vepr 12. There is a video on the pipe.
      1. 0
        14 May 2024 09: 21
        Engineering units, and they should be in the infantry, among the attack aircraft.
        1. +2
          14 May 2024 09: 23
          What I mean is that 12 gauge has officially been adopted for service.
          1. 0
            14 May 2024 09: 28
            The Ministry of Internal Affairs has been in service with the KS-23 since Soviet times, with a very large range of ammunition, I think that there are suitable ones - “Shrapnel -10” and “Shrapnel -25”.
            1. 0
              14 May 2024 09: 35
              Well worth it. I didn’t stand in mo. And there is no shrapnel ammunition. And this caliber is redundant. 12 cal with 3. with a 5 mm barrel and a 430 mm barrel, or at most 15 meters.
              1. +1
                14 May 2024 09: 39
                For lack of a cook, a cook will also go, there is a certain amount of guns and ammunition in the warehouses, it won’t take long to transfer them to active units, the main thing would be the order. And the adoption of new models is such a long story.
                1. 0
                  14 May 2024 13: 15
                  Regular shot is not suitable for shooting at drones; it is soft. You need hard shot, which is used in clay pigeon shooting or larger. So, ready-made ammunition for 12 gauge is unlikely to be available in sufficient quantities in warehouses. The 20-gauge ones for clay pigeon shooting are probably mass-produced.
                  Shots of no more than 2,5 mm are used in skeet shooting to reduce the likelihood of injury. Larger shot will give greater range.
        2. 0
          14 May 2024 12: 46
          Engineering units, and they should be in the infantry, among the attack aircraft.
          And the attack aircraft either have a Kalash with a barrel or a shotgun. It's either or. Because you can’t train both together.
    2. 0
      14 May 2024 09: 55
      Wouldn't it be easier to introduce a shotgun into the armament of a squad or combat vehicle?
      Finding yourself in a modern battle with a shotgun in your hands is suicide)) If only so
      1. KCA
        +1
        14 May 2024 12: 02
        How to go on the attack with a grenade launcher? How are ATGMs and mortars carried into the attack? A shotgun on your back is better than a mortar plate
        1. -1
          14 May 2024 12: 08
          I can already imagine a fighter bursting into enemy positions with a mortar in his hands)) Why compare the round with the sour?)
          1. KCA
            +1
            14 May 2024 12: 11
            Don't you think that the enemy will not use kamikazes or drone charges over their positions? Little by little they will bomb on the way
            1. -1
              14 May 2024 12: 14
              Don't you think that the enemy will not use kamikazes or drone charges over their positions?
              I don’t think I’ve seen video control more than once as defending infantry fighting in their trenches were supported by operators with kamikaze drones, and the situation when spotters hover during an assault is commonplace.
      2. +1
        14 May 2024 12: 26
        It turns out that everything has already been invented. An assault rifle + a pump-action shotgun in one package is an interesting solution.
        But the issue is economic and temporary, associated with the redesign and introduction of an almost new rifle into service.
        But there are grenade launchers, but there are no corresponding shots.
  5. +3
    14 May 2024 08: 05
    there was an idea to use low-ballistic assault rifles of the LShO-57 type against UAVs
    grenade launchers - this is such a test of the pen on the knee - that's all that remains
    Moreover (somewhere) there are 57-mm programmable shells equivalent in terms of explosives to an 82-mm mine
    - the UAV simply has no chance
    All that remains is to solve the problem of all-round control of space and target designation over protected armored vehicles
    and oh yes - serial
  6. +4
    14 May 2024 08: 09
    The new one differs from a regular shot in the increased density of the cloud of fragments,

    And if a fighter under someone else’s drone opens his mitten, will fragments of the grenade warhead not hit him?

    The shotgun seems better to me.
    1. 0
      14 May 2024 12: 54
      You need both. Each squad needs one or even two shooters with shotguns, and the rest need grenades for the grenade launcher. Grenades for a grenade launcher can be different, like a net launcher, and like shrapnel ammunition.
    2. 0
      16 May 2024 19: 26
      Have you ever fired a shotgun yourself? How many times for such supporters of shotguns does it need to be repeated that the range of aimed shooting from a smoothbore shotgun cartridge (with any size of shot or buckshot) is no more than 50 - 70 meters. A grenade from an under-barrel grenade launcher flies to a distance of about 200 meters. Do you think there is a difference? But if the developed grenade has the same principle for programming the detonation distance as that of anti-aircraft gun shells (installed manually), this grenade is worthless.
      1. 0
        16 May 2024 19: 41
        a shotgun is no more than 50 - 70 meters. A grenade from an under-barrel grenade launcher flies to a distance of about 200 meters. Do you think there is a difference? But if the developed grenade has the same principle for programming the detonation distance as that of anti-aircraft gun shells (installed manually), this grenade is worthless.


        50-70m is not so little. You still need to see a small drone from such a distance. But when he tries to throw a grenade over his head, up to 70 m, a shotgun is just right.
        For the grenade launcher, except for installing a remote detonation (by eye/at random), nothing can be seen manually.
        1. 0
          20 May 2024 08: 56
          Judging by your way of thinking, you are the same “former soldier” as I am a “former ballerina”.
          It looks like all the weapons you were holding in your hands were, at most, an air rifle at the Sunday shooting range. At an altitude of 50 - 70 m, at best, 1 - 2 pellets / buckshot with a negligible mass will hit the drone. I’m telling you this as a hunter with 30 years of experience.
          1. 0
            20 May 2024 11: 03
            Judging by your way of thinking, you are the same “former soldier” as I am a “former ballerina”.

            “Former ballerina” you are rude and therefore go -----. I'm not used to lying.
            Let me introduce myself. Private. Machine gunner PKS. First number. I had the honor of firing duck shot from this weapon, of course from an AK as well as a 12-gauge shotgun. The older brother, out of ignorance, bought 12 because 16, the most popular one, was quickly sold out. hi
            1. 0
              20 May 2024 11: 28
              To end a baseless dispute. Actually, it’s not in my rules to be rude or “catch” someone by the hand, but just in case, I want to point out to you that cartridges for a 12-gauge shotgun have a larger shot charge than the 16-gauge shotgun. Accordingly, the 12th has more options for hitting a target that is in motion. This is in relation to the popularity of shotgun calibers. Are you shooting at ducks, but don’t know the basics? I haven’t seen the PKS, but at the same time I still know that this is a Kalashnikov light machine gun mounted on a machine gun and, in terms of its ballistics, is no different from the RPK. So maybe you are a machine gunner only because you have an entry on your military ID, the same as a hunter?
              1. 0
                20 May 2024 11: 48
                To end a baseless dispute.

                To end a baseless dispute. hi
  7. +1
    14 May 2024 08: 09
    God forbid that the developers prove to be “punchy” and do not allow their brainchild to be “buried” in the bureaucratic depths. Today, such ammunition is needed at the front like air.
  8. 0
    14 May 2024 08: 09
    a new shot for the grenade launcher, allowing you to hit small drones in flight
    A simple individual remedy that does not require additional training, which our soldiers certainly need. Practice will show the effectiveness of the new ammunition.
  9. +2
    14 May 2024 08: 19
    Comandante had (has) a video on his channel where he fought drones in various ways, at short distances. The best method turned out to be a shot with a net.
  10. +1
    14 May 2024 08: 25
    Here you go ! What I have said many times over a long period of time is starting to happen! fellow One of “my” proposals came to life, although not in 100% form, but close to it (I proposed ammunition based on the GPR-20 underbarrel grenade... it is “easier” to introduce a fragmentation-beam “scheme” there, "scheme" with a grid, remote detonation using a proximity fuse...)! I hope that over time, “my” other anti-drone proposals will find application... (1. aircraft-type UAV interceptors launched “from the hand”, 2. “reanimated” “Kolos”. 3. small-caliber, but very rapid-fire small arms in concept "American-180" and... others! feel
    1. 0
      14 May 2024 08: 43
      Kolos - unlikely. Expensive, most importantly, it’s disposable
      1. 0
        14 May 2024 08: 50
        Quote: sivuch
        Kolos - unlikely. Expensive

        Why did it happen ? At one time it was designed for mass production!
        Quote: sivuch
        The ear is unlikely, it is disposable

        You are wrong! "Spike" - multiple uses!
        1. 0
          14 May 2024 08: 54
          Expensive - compared to other means of destruction.
          Yes? And I thought that the pipe was immediately thrown out
          1. 0
            14 May 2024 09: 14
            Quote: sivuch
            Expensive - compared to other means of destruction.

            With which ? what
            Quote: sivuch
            that the pipe was immediately thrown out

            No "Spike" is a reloadable weapon! Yes
    2. +1
      14 May 2024 08: 48
      Only the lazy didn’t talk about a grenade launcher with a mesh. I also wrote many times about shotguns...
      1. 0
        14 May 2024 08: 59
        Quote: Argon
        Only the lazy didn’t talk about a grenade launcher with a mesh

        Maybe! They said...many! But there are nuances..."from me"! wink
        1. +2
          14 May 2024 09: 02
          This is the first time I've seen you. But I thought about post-volunteers at the beginning of the Northern Military District, and about shotguns even when I saw bloggers flying Drones in my area.
          1. 0
            14 May 2024 12: 53
            Quote: Argon
            This is the first time I've seen you.

            "Do you see the gopher? No? But he is there!" laughing
  11. +1
    14 May 2024 08: 46
    So is there a grenade launcher in series (or at least transferred to industry for mass production) or just a piece of paper called “Patent”?
    These are two big differences.
  12. -1
    14 May 2024 08: 57
    They learned how to shoot down Baba Yaga a long time ago, but it won’t help at all against FPV, he’s too fast
    1. -1
      14 May 2024 13: 08
      What is there to learn to shoot down? A slow standard target that can easily be hit by a long burst of AK fire. Another thing is that "Baba Yaga" flies at night and needs a night sight; automatic fire with a night sight is difficult, if not impossible.
    2. 0
      14 May 2024 13: 29
      It seems they were talking about some kind of magnetic pulse that burns all electronics for a kilometer. Apparently no one wants to use this. To be left without communication is like death
  13. 0
    14 May 2024 09: 01
    So this is great!!! only for a long time, but it’s better this way than in the navy. I hope Belousov will not fall in love with this topic as much as Shoigu UMPC.
  14. 0
    14 May 2024 09: 19
    How to set the detonation distance? Or is it constant (strictly fixed)?
    1. 0
      14 May 2024 12: 51
      How to set the detonation distance? Or is it constant (strictly fixed)?
      Judging by the note, they simply reduced the self-destruction time of a regular FOG.
      1. 0
        14 May 2024 13: 25
        Rather, they combined the cocking time with the detonation time. But there is a risk here, the cocking distance is floating 10-40 meters.
  15. -1
    14 May 2024 09: 48
    Quote: tatarin1972
    Engineering units, and they should be in the infantry, among the attack aircraft.

    Those. must a fighter carry an AK with ammunition and also a shotgun with ammunition? What do you propose to sacrifice in order to allocate resources for additional weapons? Should the armor be removed from the fighter?
    1. +4
      14 May 2024 10: 21
      If you want to live, you will drag it. Do they carry a machine gun with belts? One soldier with an automatic shotgun per assault group. Trained in skeet shooting. It will significantly increase the survival rate of children on LBS and not only.
      1. 0
        14 May 2024 13: 31
        So everyone needs to be trained. It is dangerous to rely on one. Well, also night lights
  16. 0
    14 May 2024 10: 01
    But the 7,62x39 cartridge cannot be made with shot, snipe for example?
  17. +1
    14 May 2024 10: 14
    I saw an insert for a grenade launcher chambered for a 12 gauge cartridge. Buckshot or related buckshot. Shot range 30 - 50 meters. They showed quite confident defeat of FPV drones. A grenade launcher shot has a low speed. It will be difficult to hit a moving target. For me, it’s better to have a 12-gauge Saiga, but where can you get it and ammunition at the front?
  18. +2
    14 May 2024 10: 34
    ABOUT! For such a caliber, you can come up with an inert PG projectile from a segmented blank, which along its reach diverges into 6/8/10 segments, stretching the nylon (Dacron) catching net previously folded between them, straightened by centrifugal force during rotation..
    That is, instead of a grenade, there is an empty body with an expelling charge, which should release the network at 5+ meters
    1. 0
      14 May 2024 13: 34
      The range of such a shot is interesting. Here the debate is about the suitability of a shotgun, and you are offering a net. Everyone wants to shoot down drones another 100 km away.
  19. +1
    14 May 2024 11: 11
    The idea is great, carrying a shotgun on your back and carrying cartridges with buckshot is inconvenient and difficult. But the grenade launcher is needed anyway, but if there’s an attack in a trench and it’s a bit difficult with it, then unfasten it and hide it in your pouch. In general, you can stuff a lot of buckshot into a grenade with a remote detonation, it’s not a shotgun cartridge, but most importantly it’s a shotgun at 25 meters and that’s it, and the grenade will fly at 100. There is time to react. But how do you set the timer for self-detonation, manually?
    1. 0
      14 May 2024 13: 04
      Have you tried shooting with a grenade launcher? It seems that no. His recoil is very strong. Only an alien can claim that a shotgun shot has less range. Another thing is that the spent grenade can then be detonated and, due to detonation in the air, provide the required lethality.
  20. 0
    14 May 2024 11: 28
    To combat drones, you need a cheap, mass-produced and reliable weapon like a hunting shotgun with a grapeshot cartridge. Just not an ordinary double-barreled shotgun, but a multi-shot semi-automatic shotgun capable of firing several single shots in a row in a short period of time.
    Possibly (as an option) in the form of a grenade launcher.

    A standard under-barrel grenade launcher is absolutely not suitable for this purpose. Because it does not shoot with buckshot, but with a unitary grenade that does not provide an accurate hit on a small target. Remote detonation of a grenade is difficult, expensive and unreliable. If you twist on the navel and create a net that unfolds immediately after the shot, then this is also very expensive and very unreliable. And the grenade launcher’s rate of fire is very bad.
    Although, it looks quite promising for cutting budget money...
    1. +1
      14 May 2024 13: 32
      Remote, non-programmable detonation of grenades for grenade launchers and AGS is their standard equipment. There is a cocking mechanism that can be combined with detonation.
      So, about detonation, which is expensive and unreliable, is not about this case.
      1. 0
        14 May 2024 14: 26
        Remote, non-programmable detonation of grenades for grenade launchers and AGS is their standard equipment.

        Remote cocking and remote detonation are two different things. Remote cocking does not detonate the grenade, but only cocks the sensitive contact fuse some time after leaving the barrel so that it does not explode right at the moment of firing due to dynamic overload. And if you want to detonate instead of cocking, then all your grenades will explode at the same distance from the shooter. And then all you have to do is persuade the enemy drone to fly up and fixate at a given distance while you shoot it down.
  21. 0
    14 May 2024 11: 45
    As an additional means of destruction, in the absence of another at hand, it can help a fighter survive. what Krasnopol's larva would laughing , and the weapon has a laser canopy to illuminate the target, so that the charge knows exactly where to fly. Maybe something like this will appear in the future.
    Shotguns are good against slow and close targets. Bombers usually hang above the affected area, while kamikazes are fast. You must also always take into account the physical condition of the fighter, taking into account stress, fatigue, and injury. request The developers, of course, know better.
  22. +1
    14 May 2024 12: 33
    I would really like to hope that this invention will be sent to the Northern Military District zone as soon as possible, and will not become just another exhibit at exhibitions and presentations! hi angry
  23. 0
    14 May 2024 12: 42
    It seems to me that these are inventions for the sake of invention. It seems that there is talk about remote detonation, but no details. But this is the main thing, how it works. Increasing the number of fragments and reducing and stabilizing the self-destruction time to, say, 1 second, clearly does not look like an invention. More likely, it looks like either another cut, or a ceremonial analogue.
  24. 0
    14 May 2024 13: 14
    This is what you need, as a last chance
    1. +1
      14 May 2024 13: 35
      But that's not the case. Need a net launcher.
      And you propose “the death of the collective farm chairman.”
      1. 0
        14 May 2024 17: 14
        Watch the video from there, how they drive soldiers. How they run between the trees.. And all this at close range. Until I make this net launcher, while they accept it, while they make it... how many will die. Simply a sawn-off shotgun with shot in a holster. And let them make the net launcher
        1. 0
          15 May 2024 09: 04
          The net launcher has long been developed and produced, albeit in small batches.
          1. 0
            15 May 2024 10: 01
            The net launcher has a significant limitation. Terrain! It can only be used in open areas. Any branch or bush in the path of the net's flight resets the net launcher
  25. 0
    14 May 2024 13: 39
    Give designers an impossible task! Make a 5.45 cartridge with a net or something else, but so that it covers a large area and flies far. If they invent it, good, if not, the cut is good. More precisely, the salary
    1. 0
      14 May 2024 13: 45
      At least they offered a 12,7 mm caliber. At 5,45 mm it’s generally an impossible task.
  26. 0
    14 May 2024 22: 27
    In Russia, a shot with remote detonation has been created for an under-barrel grenade launcher, designed to destroy small enemy drones. The patent for the invention was received by the Military Academy of Logistics and Technical Support named after Army General A.V. Khrulev

    The difference between “Create/develop” and “Obtain a patent for an invention” is about the same as between reading a recipe in a cookbook and eating a dish prepared according to this recipe.
    It’s a pity that the authors of the article with the flashy title seem to completely not understand this.
  27. 0
    15 May 2024 06: 33
    a chatterbox is a godsend for a spy. the whole world is frantically looking for a panacea for drones, and Russian wordsmiths are actively helping it in this regard. apparently they want to stake their claim to the Nobel Prize.....just some kind of widespread incontinence of state secrets. and where is the FSB looking?
  28. 0
    16 May 2024 13: 21
    It is possible to make something disposable in size from a flare to a small grenade launcher up to the size of a “Fly” with a grapeshot charge, or better yet with several “Roman candle” type charges; modern materials allow you to make a lightweight product.