Continue or stop. Options for attacking Kharkov

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Continue or stop. Options for attacking Kharkov

Surprisingly, just yesterday the material written unexpectedly received confirmation from... the coordinator for strategic communications at the National Security Council (NSC) of the White House, John Kirby. We were really persistently sent to Kharkov. This was done rather clumsily. Those who claim that the Americans, in their confidence in victory in the Cold War, have lost good experts on Russia are probably right.

It was he who stated that the United States had long been preparing for a Russian offensive in this particular sector and had long ago begun preparing Ukraine for this particular battle. Warehouses with ammunition and weapons were prepared there. The task is to prevent the capture of Kharkov and the creation of a sanitary zone in the border areas. The Americans were very afraid of the advance of Russian troops to the range of cannon artillery.



A little earlier, one of the Pentagon experts said that he did not see strategic prospects in the capture of Kharkov. Tactical and political success, without significant influence on the course of the war. This also indirectly confirms our conclusions. The Pentagon continues to fight with the Russian army that started the Northern Military District in 2022...

Now, as Kirby said, the offensive has begun and the cards have been laid on the table. But again, bad luck with these Russians. We are indeed advancing on many fronts. Despite everything, we advance. And this causes concern for Zelensky and his masters. It turns out that the headquarters of the Russian army knew about the preparation of defense in this very place.

The Americans are wide-eyed: where are the defensive structures on which so many of their dollars were spent that dugouts and pillboxes could be built from American pieces of paper? The Russians suddenly launched an offensive. It’s interesting that they suddenly started doing what they had been pushing us to do for quite some time. In general, it seems to me that the guys in serious positions in the Western armies and in the Armed Forces of Ukraine panicked.

Yesterday I wrote that Kharkov is not worth taking. I haven't changed my opinion. Create a sanitary zone, strengthen the bridgehead for a possible attack to the south to strike the defense line on the eastern front of Ukraine. We can agree with this.

What about Kharkov?

Continue to create conditions in order to completely exclude this city from the Ukrainian defense system. Residents are already leaving the city en masse. Businesses have been evacuated or destroyed. In this way, we will significantly reduce civilian casualties in the near future.

Stop or continue?


A completely legitimate question arises - what to do next? Stop or continue the offensive?

I think the answer here is clear. The offensive must be continued as much as possible today. I will not write about specifics simply because the situation is changing too quickly, and it is not serious to comment on what will already happen by the time the article is published.

By the way, it is interesting to observe the Ukrainian and Western media. Following the politicians, journalists also changed their rhetoric. Now it is not at all difficult to find material about the successes of the Russian army, which was not the case before. They even began to use our cliche “meat assaults” when describing military operations by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

The US Democrats made good use of our offensive in their election race. Unexpectedly, it turned out that President Biden personally warned Zelensky about the Russian attack on Kharkov, but he brushed off this warning. So who is to blame for the fact that American money has flown into the sand... – Zelensky!..

I have already written that we need to demilitarize Ukraine. This is also a task performed by the advancing troops. No matter how much we would like to see the collapse of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, it is too early to talk about it. The Ukrainian army is still a serious force.

I would even venture to suggest that the Ukrainian Armed Forces, in the event of a conflict with any other army in Europe, even in its current state, will easily crush the enemy in open battle. So there shouldn't be any euphoria. We are fighting a serious enemy, an enemy who, no matter what they say, is well motivated and prepared.

Even the fact that the number of prisoners has increased confirms exactly this. They surrender when they realize the futility of further fighting. Surrendering in such a situation is normal from the point of view of Western professionals. Another school, which tens, and maybe hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers went through.

I don’t know if you paid attention to the footage from the Ukrainian trenches, where you can clearly see the soldiers’ chevrons. Until recently, the fighters put a lot of pressure on themselves. Now it is difficult to see any “slave lord” or fascist on the front line.

Regular chevrons of a part or connection. It’s even funny when it suddenly turns out that there are no real fighters in captivity. Only cooks, drivers, bathhouse attendants and other orderlies... Fortunately, our soldiers learned to recognize fascists and punitive forces quite quickly.

I will repeat once again what I wrote about in the previous material.

The offensive in the Kharkov direction is important because the Ukrainian Armed Forces are forced to throw into battle elite brigades, which until recently were located in the most important cities for Ukraine. In Kyiv, Odessa and others. Tactics, or more precisely, tactical tasks force the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to abandon strategic tasks.

The speed with which the Russian army liberates cities and towns impresses Ukrainians. Some bloggers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces directly say that today the troops are talking more about retreat than about the desire to defend positions to the last.

Will new arms supplies save the Ukrainian Armed Forces?


More and more often I hear the opinion that the offensive may stop with the advent of new weapons from the Ukrainian Armed Forces. “Supplies will begin, and we will be forced to slow down or stop the offensive...” Nonsense, no supplies will be able to compensate for the advantages of our army. I mean dominance in weapons and technology.

I don’t even want to write about morale. Our fighters not only acquired, but strengthened the spirit of winners. You look at how the fighters act and you are surprised. Alone or in pairs they take the Armed Forces department. I read the comments, no one is even surprised. Ours. These can...

Or the actions of a monster like “Tsar-Grill”. Where is it advertised? tanks breakthrough. I immediately remember that same elephant from Krylov’s fable, which “goes on and on” and barks, in the sense drones, mines, ATGMs and other RPGs, does not recognize. But there is a crew there. And this crew understands perfectly well that in the event of defeat it will be almost impossible to evacuate...

This is the winning spirit in action.

Instead of conclusions


In the previous article, I already wrote that I consider Kharkov not a goal, but a means. I won't repeat myself. Anyone interested can find this article on VO.

We must hit the Ukrainian Armed Forces in all directions. Otherwise they will beat us.

But in conclusion I want to say something else.

Today there is a lot of material from citizens of Ukrainian cities, where the same rhetorical question is asked: what are we for?.. Moreover, this very “us” hides not getting into civilian objects or crowded places like markets or mass events. “Us” are military installations located in residential areas.

Alas, in war, civilians are always the most vulnerable contingent. Defenseless and often recklessly brave. Would anyone dare to say that the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not use their citizens as human shields? Has anyone seen tanks in courtyards and machine gun nests in high-rise buildings?

Should we throw our soldiers at machine guns without support just because the Ukrainian Armed Forces are hiding behind civilians? Well, no, the life of a soldier is worth no less than the life of a civilian. And if you allow tanks or air defense installations into your yards, it will definitely fly there. And it will arrive seriously. So we have no choice.

What about pity?

And those civilians who die in Belgorod, Donbass, and border villages? There were definitely no tanks in the courtyards. There were no military people there at all. And there were shells and missiles! Ukrainian shells and missiles! Don't you feel sorry for them?

So, when you see that defenders from the Ukrainian Armed Forces have appeared in your yard, then run to another place. To relatives, acquaintances, friends. We will not shoot at hospitals or schools. But exactly until the moment when intelligence reports about an ammunition depot in that same hospital or about the location of a Ukrainian Armed Forces unit in a school...
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  1. -22
    15 May 2024 05: 50
    Alas, in war, civilians are always the most vulnerable contingent. Defenseless and often recklessly brave. Would anyone dare to say that the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not use their citizens as human shields? Has anyone seen tanks in courtyards and machine gun nests in high-rise buildings?

    Should we throw our soldiers at machine guns without support just because the Ukrainian Armed Forces are hiding behind civilians? Well, no, the life of a soldier is worth no less than the life of a civilian. And if you allow tanks or air defense installations into your yards, it will definitely fly there. And it will arrive seriously. So we have no choice.

    What about pity?

    And those civilians who die in Belgorod, Donbass, and border villages? There were definitely no tanks in the courtyards. There were no military people there at all. And there were shells and missiles! Ukrainian shells and missiles! Don't you feel sorry for them?

    Now change Belgorod and Donbass to Ashdod and Sderot, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces to Hamas. Yes, of course, Hamas does not have tanks or air defense systems, but it has plenty of missile launchers, and they hide them in hospitals, schools, mosques, and in the middle of residential areas. It quite naturally flies along them. But the logic about the fact that a soldier’s life is worth no less than a civilian’s life is exactly the same.
    1. +18
      15 May 2024 05: 53
      And what do the Jews have to do with it? Do you just want to change the topic or do you feel sorry for your fellow tribesmen?
      1. -24
        15 May 2024 05: 54
        I'm actually American.
        1. +21
          15 May 2024 05: 55
          An American cannot be a Jew?
          1. -11
            15 May 2024 06: 07
            And even if so, then what, is the Jew no longer a person?
            1. Msi
              +18
              15 May 2024 06: 25
              is a Jew no longer human?

              Human. I am sure that children of Jewish nationality take part in the SVO...
              Comparing the methods of warfare between Russia and Israel is incorrect...
              1. -3
                15 May 2024 06: 56
                Quote from Msi
                I am sure that children of Jewish nationality take part in the SVO...

                Which side?
                1. Msi
                  +9
                  15 May 2024 07: 24
                  Which side?

                  The SVO is conducted by Russia. I don’t know what the pigs do...
            2. +11
              15 May 2024 07: 20
              Jew is different from Jew. I don’t know the exact numbers, but during our time in Ukraine, fewer civilians died than during the operation in gas.
              1. +10
                15 May 2024 11: 50
                Jew to Jew discord.

                That's for sure. There are Jews, and there are Zionists, who the further you go, the more difficult it is to distinguish from the Nazis.
                1. +5
                  15 May 2024 12: 29
                  Quote: Ivan Ivanych Ivanov
                  There are Jews, and there are Zionists, who the further you go, the more difficult it is to distinguish from the Nazis.

                  They were never any different. There was even a UN resolution on this matter
                  1. -11
                    16 May 2024 00: 01
                    Quote: Silhouette
                    UN resolution
                    You lie like a lady with reduced social responsibility. That completely biased resolution of 1975, of ill memory, was apologetically repealed by the UN General Assembly in 1991, with the USSR voting for the repeal.
                    1. +2
                      16 May 2024 19: 38
                      Get out, you shady Zionist! Along with the shame of Judas Gorbaty, who, before resigning, made a mess at the UN with the abolition of the historic resolution on Zionism. There will never be forgiveness for betrayal.
          2. 0
            Yesterday, 10: 42
            “The USA became what it is now thanks to Jewish capital”!
            The first colonists of America were Jews, the first child born to settlers in America was a Jew!!!
            And the World Financial Kagal, whose headquarters is now in the States, commands the whole world with the help of the Dollar.
            In fact, the USA is the world's first Jewish state of the era of Capitalism....
        2. +16
          15 May 2024 06: 31
          Quote: Nagan
          I'm actually American.

          Is it citizenship and not nationality, or are you an Indian?
        3. +2
          15 May 2024 07: 16
          Quote: Nagan
          I'm actually American.

          An emigrant “guest worker”, an American “Tajik”, a person who forgot his homeland and decided to seek happiness in a foreign land.
          Let me ask you, as an American: do you no longer consider yourself Russian (or a Russian citizen)?
          How do you perceive getting rid of your homeland: a difficult exile or a pleasant bonus?
          1. +13
            15 May 2024 08: 26
            Quote: Stas157
            How do you perceive getting rid of your homeland: a difficult exile or a pleasant bonus?
            Fate turns out the way it turns out. Alas, in the bad memory of the 1990s there was no place for me in Russia. I have no aptitude for private business, I don’t want to engage in racketeering, and at that time engineers were not needed, literally “at all.” The fate of the shuttle or bomb was also not attractive. And in America, at least I found a place in life. True, my engineering career didn’t work out either, I retrained to become a programmer, another occupation that pays well here and doesn’t turn my soul away.
            I consider myself an American, but pro-Russian. I believe that what Gorbaty and Alkash did was not Russia’s fault, but a misfortune.
            1. 0
              16 May 2024 19: 08
              I understand you. I studied at the medical institute in Dushanbe in the early 90s, the war started here, we wanted to transfer to Voronezh. Those who left before us said that Russians from Central Asia are treated as foreigners, it is difficult to obtain citizenship, there are problems with the arrangement, the locals constantly point out that they came here, we ourselves do not have enough work here, etc. They constantly said on TV that you can’t give citizenship to everyone, you need to work for 8 years, pay taxes, in short, like in civilized countries. It was easier for us to leave and start studying in another country. Financial and other assistance was offered at the airport upon arrival. Then we moved and now we live in Germany.
            2. -1
              16 May 2024 22: 24
              Quote: Nagan
              I consider myself an American

              Sorry, you're not on the jury list yet?! And you are also not registered as a voter? Oh-wey!
          2. +4
            15 May 2024 09: 55
            What nonsense? A person is looking for where it is better to do it right.
            1. +2
              15 May 2024 15: 18
              Quote: Kronos
              What nonsense? A person is looking for where it is better to do it right.

              Rather, not where is better, but where he can survive and save his children and wife. To feed, clothe and have a roof over your head. A matter of life and death. I remember the 90s. I remember how we survived ourselves. Therefore, I cannot condemn people who left the country. hi
            2. +2
              15 May 2024 18: 08
              What nonsense? A person is looking for where it is better to do it right.

              As they say - “Homeland is where life is warm”)
            3. +2
              15 May 2024 18: 47
              Quote: Kronos
              What nonsense? A person is looking for where it is better to do it right.

              Have you ever thought about fighting for a better life in your homeland?
              Let's all leave and burn our Motherland with a clear flame, so what?
        4. -2
          15 May 2024 10: 14
          In general, it would be better for an American to keep quiet, you didn’t dump America for nothing.
          1. +12
            15 May 2024 11: 15
            Quote: SEVERIN
            In general, it would be better for an American to keep quiet, you didn’t dump America for nothing.

            Comrade Nagan has been on this site for a long time. And his comments often contain good information. I don’t think we need to be divided into those who should remain silent and who should not. Unless, of course, he is destructive and inflames
            1. 0
              15 May 2024 11: 51
              Perhaps you are right, but being a resident of a country hostile to the Russian Federation does not inspire confidence, especially positioning oneself as an American.
        5. +4
          15 May 2024 23: 05
          Yes, it doesn’t matter, there’s zero logic. The actions of Israel and Ukraine completely coincide, and their rhetoric is approximately the same: Bandera’s followers and Jews are the new bros.
          Both Bandera and the Jews from the concentration camps would have been simply shocked)
        6. 0
          16 May 2024 12: 55
          Which is basically the same thing
    2. +5
      15 May 2024 11: 14
      Quote: Nagan

      Now change Belgorod and Donbass to Ashdod and Sderot, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces to Hamas. Yes, of course, Hamas does not have tanks or air defense systems, but it does have launchers

      I won't even think about changing it.
      You, as always, forgot about the reasons that prompted the Russian Armed Forces and Hamas to take hostilities. This is where you need to compare. And not military actions, but reasons.
      I am not on the side of Hamas, I do not condone their actions, but at least they can be understood. And Israel’s actions cannot be understood or justified.
      1. +5
        15 May 2024 11: 39
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        And Israel’s actions cannot be understood or justified.

        It is possible to understand Israel. He wants to destroy Palestine.
        Why he needed this, there are different versions.
        But there is no doubt that this is genocide, which is supported
        the majority of the population of Israel, unfortunately, no longer exists.
        1. +1
          16 May 2024 12: 57
          What is there not to understand. Outright genocide. The teachers were good
    3. +1
      15 May 2024 11: 23
      Quote: Nagan
      Now change Belgorod and Donbass to Ashdod and Sderot, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces to Hamas.

      In my communications with highly informed Afghans, I was assured that Israel had decided to begin full-scale support for Ukraine and only the events in Gaza prevented it from allocating planned resources to support Ukraine. Mrs. Halperina (Ambassador of Israel), upon taking office in Moscow, declared full support for Ukraine. In fact, her words can be interpreted that Israel gave the go-ahead to the terrorist attack in Crocus organized by the Ukrainian special services. Moreover, the Ukrainians, when organizing the terrorist attack, aimed to incite hostility between Muslims and Christians in Russia. Of course, Hamas turned out to be just as tough a nut to crack for Netanyahu as Ukrainian neo-Nazism demonstrates itself to Gerasimov and Putin.
  2. +15
    15 May 2024 06: 02
    It’s not worth taking Kharkov - did the author write this in all seriousness? Is he one of those who are satisfied with the continuous shelling of our lands, destroyed houses, dead civilians? Whether or not to take the ENTIRE UK-ROINA is not a question worth taking - TAKE IT! Otherwise we will completely lose trust and respect to our country, allowing the bitches to conduct shelling, and the population of the country has long been actually on the verge of an explosion due to the strange long-term inactivity of the Kremlin - how long did the residents of the Belgorod region endure shelling until the army entered the Kharkov region? We need to take Kharkov and Odessa and Zhitomir .... only the author is not able to look further than his nose, as they say, it’s not dripping over me and thank God, but the fact that the neighbors have a flood is not splashing me! This is a figurative comparison of the author’s opinion on the issue of returning OUR LANDS that are still in composition of Ukraine.
    P C - I’m sincerely sorry that the article cannot be given a minus - the author deserves a hundred of them!!!
    1. +12
      15 May 2024 06: 08
      This is not the author, this is Staver. By the way, look how stupid the logic is. The Americans are provoking the capture of Kharkov, which means that Kharkov should not be taken.
      1. +2
        15 May 2024 16: 11
        Quote: Gardamir
        By the way, look how stupid the logic is. The Americans are provoking the capture of Kharkov, which means that Kharkov should not be taken.


        But it seemed to me that the message was different: Kharkov should not be taken now, when they are waiting for us there and they were dragging us there.
        And it’s not at all that you shouldn’t take it in principle.
    2. +6
      15 May 2024 07: 59
      He deserved a million of them. But look. With what forces to liberate all this? The mistake lies not in the opinion of the author, but in those heads who started it all. More precisely, he fell for persuasion and so on.. To liberate the same Kharkov or Sumy, considerable forces are needed. There are none. And the losses and fatigue from it all are growing.
    3. +7
      15 May 2024 08: 38
      If in reality there are forces, then Kharkov must be taken, this is a huge minus to the mobilization capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the same plus to our capabilities. But it seems to me that right now we are unlikely to go specifically to Kharkov, No. It looks more like this is a blow to the rear of the Kupyansk group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the goal is the liberation of Kupyansk, then Izyum and we leave from the north to Slavyansk. This direction is somehow more visible winked
      In order to be able to storm Kharkov, you need to cut off the main communications, primarily the routes to Kyiv, and for this you need to attack west of Kharkov, i.e. through the Sumy region, and there is silence there feel
      1. +1
        16 May 2024 14: 35
        I think there is still silence in Sumy. Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine have devoted a lot of forces to Kharkov, we can soon start in Sumy. And after a while, even further west - Chernigov. And this is already a threat to Kyiv; all reserves will be thrown there. But there is no need to take these cities at any cost (for now), maybe even go on the defensive here. And due to all this, the eastern and southeastern front of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. be very exposed. It will be easier to advance to Slavyansk and Zaporozhye
        1. 0
          16 May 2024 20: 39
          It’s probably wise to enter the Sumy region, if you have the strength to create a threat to Kharkov, what if the situation turns out well and the Ukrainian Armed Forces will actually give up Kharkov without a fight laughing
          Manar in the Sumy region will, at a minimum, force us to keep reserves in Kharkov and thereby secure the western flank of our troops moving towards Izyum.
    4. +1
      15 May 2024 11: 23
      Quote: Thrifty
      It’s not worth taking Kharkov - did the author write this in all seriousness?

      Let me make a reservation right away: I don’t know what to do right. Or rather, in my sofa-like understanding, I know. But for this, our group advancing on Kharkov must be increased by three. For what? In order to block him and force him to surrender by blockade. Leave the city in the rear of our army and move on. But I understand perfectly well that this is not realistic in our conditions. But to take a city by storm means to destroy it to the ground, and do we need that? We can only hope for our eggheads, maybe they will find the best solution to the Kharkov problem.
      1. 0
        15 May 2024 17: 43
        Leave the city in the rear of our army and move on
        Question: Who will we leave in the surrounded city - friends or enemies?
        And there are nearly a million of them.
        1. 0
          15 May 2024 19: 10
          Quote: Valery Mamai

          Question: Who will we leave in the surrounded city - friends or enemies?

          There will be both, and I'm not sure there will be more enemies. The majority will follow the people who don't care
          .
          Quote: Valery Mamai
          And there are nearly a million of them.

          A million, these are city dwellers, residents of Kharkov. Have you come across information about captured civilians with weapons in their hands? So I don’t either. And only they know how many of these our attack aircraft destroyed.
          No one yet knows how many brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will fall into the cauldron, if it happens beyond expectations. Because there is no boiler yet.
  3. 0
    15 May 2024 06: 14
    If Ukrainians began to surrender en masse, then it is necessary to help them in this matter. Both radio and leaflets are suitable for this. And we will avoid unnecessary losses. An animal driven into a corner is always very dangerous.
    1. 0
      15 May 2024 07: 50
      21 century. Television and Internet
    2. +5
      15 May 2024 08: 01
      How about in large quantities? Thousands? This is not the case. In the message about fifty, but this is clearly not mass.
    3. +2
      15 May 2024 11: 34
      Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
      If Ukrainians began to surrender en masse, then it is necessary to help them in this matter. Both radio and leaflets are suitable for this. And we will avoid unnecessary losses. An animal driven into a corner is always very dangerous.

      Yes, propaganda should be given priority. Not only on the front, leaflets, loud-speaking installations, but the entire Internet should be filled with our propaganda. And, most importantly, we need to show the Ukrainians what awaits them ahead if they lay down their arms.
      To say that they will be fed and watered means nothing. We must say what their future life will be like. And this future should be at least somewhat attractive. Because a stick is good, but sometimes a carrot works better than a stick. You have to learn to work with both... True, they seem to have learned to work with a whip.
  4. +4
    15 May 2024 06: 16
    rhetorical question: why are we here?..
    For Belgorod, Lugansk, Donetsk...
  5. -1
    15 May 2024 06: 23
    Quote: Thrifty
    It’s not worth taking Kharkov - did the author write this in all seriousness? Is he one of those who are satisfied with the continuous shelling of our lands, destroyed houses, dead civilians? Whether or not to take the ENTIRE UK-ROINA is not a question worth taking - TAKE IT! Otherwise we will completely lose trust and respect to our country, allowing the bitches to conduct shelling, and the population of the country has long been actually on the verge of an explosion due to the strange long-term inactivity of the Kremlin - how long did the residents of the Belgorod region endure shelling until the army entered the Kharkov region? We need to take Kharkov and Odessa and Zhitomir .... only the author is not able to look further than his nose, as they say, it’s not dripping over me and thank God, but the fact that the neighbors have a flood is not splashing me! This is a figurative comparison of the author’s opinion on the issue of returning OUR LANDS that are still in composition of Ukraine.
    P C - I’m sincerely sorry that the article cannot be given a minus - the author deserves a hundred of them!!!

    As I understand it, you yourself will personally go to storm Kharkov? Or, as usual, for people like you, age, health, the daughter of an officer, and similar reasons do not allow it? Or all you can do is put minuses and pluses?
  6. 0
    15 May 2024 06: 34
    I would even venture to suggest that the Ukrainian Armed Forces, in the event of a conflict with any other army in Europe, even in its current state, will easily crush the enemy in open battle. So there shouldn't be any euphoria. We are fighting a serious enemy, an enemy who, no matter what they say, is well motivated and prepared.

    So we have come to what I have written about many times. The army of “Independent Belarus” is doomed in the event of an attack from the Baltic states and Ukraine. If the “European fighters” can still be equated in fighting qualities to the Belarusians, then the Sumerians who went through the hell of the Northern Military District will simply pass through them.
    So if we stop now (which is quite likely), then NATO and Ukrainian troops will switch to solving this problem.
    1. BAI
      +2
      15 May 2024 08: 33
      If the “European fighters” can still be equated in terms of fighting qualities with the Belarusians, then the Sumerians who went through the hell of the Northern Military District will simply pass through them.

      Anyone who thinks so is in for a very unpleasant surprise.
      1. 0
        15 May 2024 11: 40
        If so, it would be rather pleasant.
        Alas, the fighters who were shot at, even though they were the most trained, but who did not fight, are absolutely not of equal value. And here - brutalized by losses, but remembering that they, too, once attacked the best army in the world against conscripts.
        And against the Europeans, we must remember that the Poles will go to conquer what they consider theirs, so they also have enough training and motivation.
    2. 0
      16 May 2024 10: 36
      Hell, the NVO group of women didn’t pass through any on the border with Belarus, where do they get their skills? they will resist and it will be a standstill.
  7. -3
    15 May 2024 06: 37
    Fortunately, our soldiers learned to recognize fascists and punitive forces quite quickly.

    It is necessary to correct the statistics on the life expectancy of fascists and punitive forces when captured.
  8. 0
    15 May 2024 06: 52
    It’s interesting that they suddenly started doing what they had been pushing us to do for quite some time.
    Russia didn’t want to, but it was pushed, and most importantly by who? The USA! Is it the Washington Regional Committee that is pulling the strings of the Northern Military District? Is it he who is playing Russian-Ukrainian soldiers, only alive? It depends on him which cities Ukraine will surrender?
    1. +6
      15 May 2024 07: 46
      Quote: parusnik
      Washington regional committee?

      Well, yes! plus, the London City Committee and the Brussels District Committee...
      and when they have interdepartmental disputes, the office is stupid or something else, a “window of opportunity” appears for us... or even the Beijing trade union committee can help on the sly...
      and yes, there are no miracles...
    2. +6
      15 May 2024 08: 30
      SVO is a project of the CIA, MI6 and Mossad, which the Kremlin has completely gotten itself into, because they dreamed of not fighting with their Western partners, but becoming their own, bourgeois ones. Now, having been deceived by everyone, the Russian soldier corrects his mistakes with blood and sweat.
  9. +10
    15 May 2024 07: 11
    Continue or stop. Options for attacking Kharkov

    There were no options initially, and there are none now. Taking a city with a population of over a million without any surroundings is utter nonsense. Nothing like the blow in the summer of 1943. Bogodukhov-Valki is not visible on the visible horizon. They are not in a hurry with the second half of the “ticks” in the form of the abandoned Balakleya and Raisin. And this is not to mention the fact that to carry out such an operation (encirclement, capture), even on a territorial scale, without taking into account the enemy, you need a group comparable in size and equipment, if not of the ENTIRE army currently operating on the LBS, then certainly half.
    1. +2
      15 May 2024 13: 23
      Quote: Adrey
      Taking a city with a population of over a million without any surroundings is utter nonsense.

      The question is, how were they going to carry out the “demilitarization” and “denazification” of the whole of Ukraine?
      Given what happened over the past two years, it increasingly resembled the disposal of Russians on both sides of the conflict, the depletion of the economy. It’s as if the objectives of victory were not set in frontal assaults and the creation of a “positional impasse.” It was necessary to wait 8 years for the Nazis to gain a foothold in Ukraine, clear out pro-Russian forces, terrorize the Donbass, and create multi-level fortifications. They armed themselves, but how did we prepare, with what and why did we start the SVO?
      We must either fight seriously, or there was no point in playing these bourgeois agreements. How not to take Kharkov, then who is to blame for such a strategy?
      By the way, Kharkov can simply be surrendered to our army if our leadership shows determination and will.
      In general, having a long border along the Kursk and Belgorod regions, and persistently climbing into fortified areas, is difficult to understand, just like this whole strange military operation in general, where we fight here, trade here. The courage and heroism of our soldiers against the selfish interests of the Russian oligarchs.
      1. +1
        16 May 2024 08: 53
        Your questions are undoubtedly relevant, but if you are asking them to me, then it’s in the wrong place request
        I think that even our non-direct descendants will find out the answers to them, God willing, only in the second or third generation (if, of course, they are interested then).
        P.S. If anyone else...
  10. +4
    15 May 2024 07: 18
    - a set of diverse thoughts, no analytics or conclusions...
    1. -1
      15 May 2024 07: 47
      nude is like the genre-style-role of this author)
      if it is indigestible, then there is no point in reading)
  11. +3
    15 May 2024 07: 22
    I consider Kharkov not a goal, but a means.


    Kisa, this is congenial. Saying this, when the specific military-political goals of the Northern Military District are unknown and everything is hidden in the fog, a lot can be agreed upon. For example, to the point that the shelling of Belgorod, Donetsk and other cities is also “not a goal, but a means” to evoke sympathy from the majority of the world community.

    Cynically? And how. But how does this differ from the main thesis of the article? Here I immediately remember the immortal phrase from “Ivan Vasilyevich” about “dispossession of state-owned lands.”

    Kharkov, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk are no less “state-owned lands” than Sevastopol, Belgorod, Kursk or Smolensk. And they did not cease to be so after the drunken Belovezhskaya gatherings. .

    By being embarrassed to admit and declare this, we only bring confusion into our own minds.
    1. +4
      15 May 2024 07: 50
      Well, as if this, in principle, contradicts the GDP, which directly and repeatedly said that “we are not chasing territories, we have enough of our own” (with the caveat that we were forced and perhaps it will be if...)... and 80% of its support they say that “conditional people2 agree” with this)
  12. +5
    15 May 2024 07: 25
    Quote: Gardamir
    This is not the author, this is Staver. By the way, look how stupid the logic is. The Americans are provoking the capture of Kharkov, which means that Kharkov should not be taken.

    In fact, to take such a large city is to waste an incredible number of your soldiers, who will undoubtedly take the city at the cost of their lives, but is there any point in this? I think it’s much easier to block it and target it with targeted artillery. Fortunately, our troops are about to reach the artillery range.
  13. +6
    15 May 2024 07: 29
    Where they shoot from is where you need to shoot, even if there are civilians there. Although we do not have a shortage of shells, we do not fire unnecessarily at civilian targets. Bandera’s supporters don’t have enough shells, but they still shoot where there are no military targets with the approval of the Europeans.
  14. +4
    15 May 2024 08: 17
    Quote: Nagan
    Now change Belgorod and Donbass to Ashdod and Sderot, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces to Hamas.


    We refuse. What, the residents of Donbass drove “true Ukrainians” into ghettos, like the “Gaza Strip”?
    It was the Russians (living in Ukraine) who treated Ukrainians as untermensch and banned their language and culture?
    However, in some ways the Armed Forces of Ukraine are really similar to Hamas, or more precisely, ISIS. So to speak - UGIL.
  15. BAI
    +6
    15 May 2024 08: 29
    Kharkov is not worth taking. I haven't changed my opinion.

    Here it’s a no-brainer that Kharkov must be taken.
    1. Hymers takes Belgorod from his territory. Try to find it in city buildings.
    2. This is the largest railway junction and industrial center.
    3. And in general, this is Russia, squeezed out by Ukraine
  16. -6
    15 May 2024 08: 38
    Why take Kharkov? We already have plenty of cities, and its capture will not affect the security of Belgorod in any way. The military goal is the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which the Author wrote correctly, therefore it is necessary to strike where it is more convenient. Today - in Kharkov, now - in Sumy or somewhere else. We don’t need extra territory, we need a profitable world.

    I agree with the Author that the death of civilians is inevitable on both sides. It is unlikely that there is an order to specifically destroy civilians; their deaths are most often the result of mistakes or the location of military or infrastructure targets being unsuccessful for civilians.

    "Nonsense, no supplies can compensate for the advantages of our army."

    This thesis is not based on facts, it will still have to be verified - after all, along with the weapons, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will also receive new soldiers upon mobilization.
  17. +4
    15 May 2024 08: 52
    Advance in the Kharkov region? Yes. Take Kharkov by storm? Not yet. This is a large city with the ability for the defenders to fight long street battles and inflict heavy losses on the attackers. The city must be besieged and the front must be moved away from it further into Anti-Russia (formerly Ukraine). Let them puff themselves up and shout about the “unbending heroes of Kharkov,” but when the food runs out, the “inflexibility” will also end. Let the civilian population come out, but not spread out across the territory, but gather and filter in refugee camps.
  18. +4
    15 May 2024 09: 04
    The article in "100 kilometers" is just a discussion.

    Should/don't!!!! It is definitely necessary to carry out denazification throughout Ukraine.

    And one thing is for sure. Everything donated must be returned.

    Former Ukraine has no use for these territories. They failed to take advantage of them.
  19. -1
    15 May 2024 09: 06
    And again Comrade Staver’s “analytics” and again “instead of conclusions”. laughing
  20. 0
    15 May 2024 10: 00
    Quote: anatolv
    And what do the Jews have to do with it? Do you just want to change the topic or do you feel sorry for your fellow tribesmen?

    The percentage of civilian deaths in Ukraine is less than in any war in Europe or Asia. Gaza has one of the largest.
    1. -1
      15 May 2024 11: 07
      Quote: Pavel57

      The percentage of civilian deaths in Ukraine is less than in any war in Europe or Asia. Gaza has one of the largest.


      :) I think you don’t have reliable numbers. I'm afraid there are none at all.
    2. 0
      15 May 2024 11: 32
      Quote: Pavel57
      Gaza has one of the largest.

      Videos distributed by the Palestinians themselves show that the population of Gaza behaves rather imposingly in the presence of moving Israeli tanks and is in no hurry to disperse in front of these tanks. Israel's military losses over the past year amount to about 800 killed. The Palestinians killed over 7 unarmed Jews on October 1000 alone. During the entire period of hostilities, according to the Palestinians themselves, about 40 Palestinians died, of which apparently about 000/1 were Hamas militants.
    3. 0
      Yesterday, 07: 22
      For roughly a hundred killed by Hamas, Israel destroyed 32 thousand Palestinian civilians. If this is not genocide, then I don’t know...how else can it be called?
  21. -2
    15 May 2024 12: 01
    Quote: gsev
    Quote: Pavel57
    Gaza has one of the largest.

    Videos distributed by the Palestinians themselves show that the population of Gaza behaves rather imposingly in the presence of moving Israeli tanks and is in no hurry to disperse in front of these tanks. Israel's military losses over the past year amount to about 800 killed. The Palestinians killed over 7 unarmed Jews on October 1000 alone. During the entire period of hostilities, according to the Palestinians themselves, about 40 Palestinians died, of which apparently about 000/1 were Hamas militants.

    Quote: gsev
    Quote: Pavel57
    Gaza has one of the largest.

    Videos distributed by the Palestinians themselves show that the population of Gaza behaves rather imposingly in the presence of moving Israeli tanks and is in no hurry to disperse in front of these tanks. Israel's military losses over the past year amount to about 800 killed. The Palestinians killed over 7 unarmed Jews on October 1000 alone. During the entire period of hostilities, according to the Palestinians themselves, about 40 Palestinians died, of which apparently about 000/1 were Hamas militants.

    So be it. This means that 300% of the civilians in Gaza are militants. In Ukraine there are about 2% of civilians. There is a difference?
    1. 0
      15 May 2024 13: 34
      “So be it. So in Gaza there are 300% of the militants who are civilians. In Ukraine there are about 2% of civilians. Is there a difference?”

      Where did you get the numbers about Ukraine? As far as I know, there are no reliable numbers. I'm afraid we won't know them soon. It is somehow premature to recognize the UN figures (about 10 thousand dead civilians). Moreover, data on combat losses most of all depend on who publishes them.
      1. 0
        15 May 2024 19: 12
        Any figures for Ukraine in percentage terms will be less than the figures for Gaza.

        At the same time, it is not clear where to count the dead of the LPR and DPR, who were estimated at 10 thousand.
  22. 0
    15 May 2024 18: 50
    It is necessary to blockade Kharkov, allowing only food and water through. As the stocks of weapons and ammunition are depleted, the local warriors will soon have a hard time. In Syria, in the suburbs of Damascus, in Homs, etc., militants held out for months and years. Sooner or later, they had to partly leave there (to Idlib), and partly capitulate. The West, apparently, wanted to drag us into a bloody battle for Kharkov, but now the situation is different from the beginning of the war: “Independence” has much less weapons, ammunition, and motivated fighters. The West has a dilemma: fill Kharkov with weapons and Nazis, exposing other fronts, or try to provide front-line units, cutting off the appetites of Kharkov. But the terbats, especially without weapons, will not defend Kharkov for long. And so, we are even interested in having selected units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine settle in Kharkov; it will be easier to deal with the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the “field.”
  23. +3
    15 May 2024 23: 02
    What fierce verbal diarrhea, this is simply brutal - about everything and nothing. Why even write this?
    The only thought in the article is “There is no need to take Kharkov,” why are we fighting at all if not to take Russian lands with people back home?
  24. 0
    16 May 2024 01: 06
    With such forces that the northern group now has, no deep breakthroughs, envelopments, or successful assaults on large populated areas are simply impossible. attempts to cut off the enemy’s defenses by wedging along rock roads are a repetition of the mistake of the beginning of 2022.....and the winter of 1939 -40. in Finland. a victorious offensive for reporting, followed by a shameful instant ejection back to the border....shamefully called regrouping. We have neither the people nor the equipment to liberate large territories......let alone to hold and control them.
    The maximum that the North group is now capable of is to create a buffer zone of 20 - 30 km along the border. everything else is the feverish fantasies of cheering patriots.
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  26. 0
    16 May 2024 06: 55
    I believe that the blow should be delivered from Brest along this route: r. Pripyat, Kovel, Lutsk, Ternopil, Khmelnitsky, Vinnitsa, Uman, Odessa, there are minimal combat-ready Ukrainian troops there, if we repeat the “Wagner” rally, I think it will work, until they come to their senses, our half of the route will pass, and they won’t be able to remove the most combat-ready units from the eastern front, otherwise we will completely cut them off from western supplies
  27. 0
    16 May 2024 07: 57
    Convene a town planning council and identify areas of Kharkov for redevelopment. This is necessary in order to reduce the costs of subsequent construction.
  28. 0
    16 May 2024 07: 59
    Quote from: newtc7
    What fierce verbal diarrhea, this is simply brutal - about everything and nothing. Why even write this?
    The only thought in the article is “There is no need to take Kharkov,” why are we fighting at all if not to take Russian lands with people back home?

    The Russians attacked Rus'. The Russians invaded Russia. But it’s like this: we came home.
  29. +1
    16 May 2024 08: 05
    Quote: Illanatol
    Quote: Nagan
    Now change Belgorod and Donbass to Ashdod and Sderot, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces to Hamas.


    We refuse. What, the residents of Donbass drove “true Ukrainians” into ghettos, like the “Gaza Strip”?
    It was the Russians (living in Ukraine) who treated Ukrainians as untermensch and banned their language and culture?
    However, in some ways the Armed Forces of Ukraine are really similar to Hamas, or more precisely, ISIS. So to speak - UGIL.

    Does he propose to shoot at a hungry civilian, herded into one place?
  30. 0
    16 May 2024 08: 06
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    Quote: Thrifty
    It’s not worth taking Kharkov - did the author write this in all seriousness?

    Let me make a reservation right away: I don’t know what to do right. Or rather, in my sofa-like understanding, I know. But for this, our group advancing on Kharkov must be increased by three. For what? In order to block him and force him to surrender by blockade. Leave the city in the rear of our army and move on. But I understand perfectly well that this is not realistic in our conditions. But to take a city by storm means to destroy it to the ground, and do we need that? We can only hope for our eggheads, maybe they will find the best solution to the Kharkov problem.

    Increase it by three? Will you go yourself?
  31. +1
    16 May 2024 12: 19
    I would even venture to suggest that the Ukrainian Armed Forces, in the event of a conflict with any other army in Europe, even in its current state, will easily crush the enemy in open battle.

    They will not crush anyone or anything because then they will have nothing - not only guns and shells, but also bullets, they will run out and will fight with slingshots and axes.
  32. 0
    16 May 2024 21: 02
    Quote from: dmi.pris1
    He deserved a million of them. But look. With what forces to liberate all this? The mistake lies not in the opinion of the author, but in those heads who started it all. More precisely, he fell for persuasion and so on.. To liberate the same Kharkov or Sumy, considerable forces are needed. There are none. And the losses and fatigue from it all are growing.


    Why is this? It smells - no war?
  33. 0
    16 May 2024 21: 12
    It is impossible to surround Kharkov with these forces. Especially considering the ukrov grouping to the south and east.
    Going forward while leaving a city of 1,5 million behind is also impossible.
    The logic follows from this - a creeping attack on Slavyansk and Izyum with simultaneous pressure from the north on Kharkov. Roughly speaking, the primary thing is the liberation of the Constitutional territories of the Russian Federation, which by law are part of Russia.

    If the Ukrainian front collapses in Donbass, then we can talk about Kharkov, but not before. And a major attack on a city 3 times larger than Mariupol and, most importantly, on one that has connections with Kiev and the likes of Dnepropetrovsk, is almost unrealistic, or you need several hundred thousand fighters on the floor to cover.
    1. 0
      Yesterday, 00: 54
      The logic follows from this - a creeping attack on Slavyansk and Izyum with simultaneous pressure from the north on Kharkov.

      Everything depends on the availability of a trained and armed reserve of troops allocated to Kharkov: 70-100 are advancing on Izyum; 200-300 thousand surround Kharkov with the further goal of the Dnieper.
  34. 0
    16 May 2024 23: 10
    Quote: Nagan
    Quote: Silhouette
    UN resolution
    You lie like a lady with reduced social responsibility. That completely biased resolution of 1975, of ill memory, was apologetically repealed by the UN General Assembly in 1991, with the USSR voting for the repeal.

    ... A lady with low social responsibility will compare the shooting of people from tanks in GAZ and SVO. A visa regime must be introduced with Israel; the fascists in Israel are already a fact.