Dangerous minister: economist Belousov at the helm of the Army

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Dangerous minister: economist Belousov at the helm of the Army
Andrey Removich Belousov, born in 1959, Acting State Advisor of the Russian Federation, 1st rank


Cybernetic economist


It sounds almost like a joke, but the most popular query at the end of May 12 in Russian-language search engines is related to the personality of Andrei Removich Belousov. The Ukrainian segment of the Internet is also, to put it mildly, excited by the completely unexpected appointment of a new Russian Defense Minister. Indeed, it is difficult to find a more unusual head of the military department.



Andrei Removich is a purely civilian person, about whom no one spoke about in the annex to the Ministry on Frunzenskaya Embankment until May 12. In forecasts after the inauguration of Vladimir Putin, either the current Governor of the Tula Region, Alexei Dyumin, was put in place of Sergei Shoigu, or the minister was simply left for another term. The last option, despite the corruption scandal with Timur Ivanov, was quite workable. At the crossing, as you know, they don’t waste too much money.

And so, in the midst of a special operation, Andrei Belousov, Doctor of Economics, becomes the Minister of Defense. This is not the first civilian minister, but the first so far from the military path. There was also Anatoly Serdyukov, but he at least completed his military service. It would also be a stretch to call Sergei Shoigu, who did not serve in the army, a civilian minister. From 1991 to 2012, he led the completely militarized structure of the Ministry of Emergency Situations. All of the above makes the appointment of Belousov to the post of Minister of Defense in the midst of a special operation unprecedented. As it turned out, President Putin had his own reasons for this.


The first and most important reason is that significant money will finally go to the Army. According to Dmitry Peskov, the level of spending will be up to 7,4 percent of GDP, which is comparable to the indicators of the 80s of the last century. The scandalous detention of Timur Ivanov a few weeks earlier showed that financial control in Shoigu’s department is not simple. It is impossible to say that Shoigu, Vladimir Putin’s closest ally, was removed because of a stealthy deputy. Rather, it was an indication of the problem. Including for Andrei Belousov.

By the way, what do we know about the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation? First of all, he comes from a family of high-ranking intellectuals. His father, Rem Belousov, was one of the developers of the famous “Kosygin” economic reform, and his mother, Alisa Pavlovna, defended her PhD thesis in chemistry and studied radiochemistry. Based on the biography of Andrei Belousov, one can make an exemplary film about correct Soviet youth. First, one of the best physics and mathematics schools in the capital, then the prestigious Faculty of Economics of Moscow State University and graduate school of the Central Economics and Mathematics Institute of the Academy of Sciences. By the way, Belousov graduated from Moscow State University with honors with a degree in economist-cybernetics, which was very consistent with the profile of the research institute. Full-time graduate study allowed the young economist to avoid military service. Who would have thought that after more than forty years Andrei Belousov would be appointed Minister of Defense? On May 13, in the Federation Council, the still candidate for minister will say something sacramental about his new chair: “Life has taken a different path.” This, Andrei Removich, to put it mildly.

Great redistribution


We continue to be amazed by the biography of the future Minister of Defense. Andrei Removich is a typical and very progressive Soviet-trained scientist. In 1988, he defended his PhD thesis on the topic “Simulation modeling of mechanisms for the formation and use of working capital (multi-sectoral approach).” Not a word about military affairs or, at least, about military economics. Much later, already in 2006, Belousov defended his doctorate in economics and again dealt with purely civil problems - the topic reads “Contradictions and prospects for the development of the reproduction system of the Russian economy.” The abstract of the work, by the way, is freely available. Anyone interested can get acquainted.

Andrey Belousov can confidently be called a highly qualified specialist in macroeconomics, which could not go unnoticed by the Government. At first, the scientist advised government officials, and in 2006 he became Deputy Minister of Economic Development. Then he served as director of the economics department of the Russian government. He worked in a team with Igor Shuvalov and Elvira Nabiullina, where he built the economic agenda of the state for the years ahead. The pinnacle of his career until May 12, 2024 can be considered the position of First Deputy Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, which Andrei Belousov received in 2020. But even in this high position, Andrei Removich was not a public person. Belousov is a typical technocrat without visible political ambitions - now the majority of them are in the Government. The most striking personality traits of the new owner of the house on Frunzenskaya Embankment are considered to be strict statehood and crystal honesty. Not even a hint of a corruption scandal or other provocation. Perhaps this is why Andrei Belousov was not of interest to the media until now.


The appointment of Belousov to the post of Minister of Defense means a significant increase in financial injections into the Army, which cannot but have a positive impact on the course of the Northern Military District

The economic bloc is traditionally one of the most effective in Putin's government. To do this, it is worth looking at the situation in the economy, which is under pressure from the largest stories sanctions. The growth is quite tangible and predictable. It is no coincidence that no one was removed from the economic circle of the Russian Government after the inauguration of the president. And one of them, Andrei Belousov, was transferred to the head of the most powerful law enforcement agency. One thing can be said about the prospects of the new Minister - he will have to optimize state spending on defense and military defense as strictly and quickly as possible. The army is expanding significantly, requires enormous funds, and the ministry needs a tough banker. On May 13, before the Federation Council, Belousov quite clearly described what he would do for the first time:
“The salary allowances for military personnel who participate in the Northern Military District zone and all kinds of payments have raised the bar to at least 200 thousand, and in principle people receive much more there. But life is not just about cash payments and monetary allowances. We have something to work on here.”
It also identifies problems with military salaries, housing and hospitalization, as well as excessive bureaucratization in the defense department. Dmitry Peskov previously supplemented Belousov’s responsibilities with an impromptu aphorism: “On the battlefield, the one who is open to innovation wins.” Are we looking forward to a technological revolution at SVO?

We should not forget about the personality of Sergei Shoigu. As you know, he was appointed to the post of Secretary of the Russian Security Council, that is, Sergei Kuzhugetovich remained in the inner circle of Vladimir Putin. But that's not important. Sergei Kuzhugetovich looks much more interesting in the chairs of the deputy president in the commission on the military-industrial complex and the head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation. A kind of triumvirate has formed in the military department - Belousov oversees finance, infrastructure and innovative development, Shoigu oversees the development and production of military equipment, and Chief of the General Staff Gerasimov achieves Russia’s victory on the battlefield. An interesting configuration, clearly designed for a protracted conflict with Ukraine.

What to expect from the new Minister? It's too early to talk about this yet. But it’s worth talking about what you shouldn’t expect. Probably, you shouldn’t wait for reviews of promising military equipment, at which the new minister will advise where to install a machine gun, and where to develop a more powerful engine. Whatever one may say, this is not the business of the Minister of Defense. And not even his deputies. There is hope that the purely civilian Belousov will not put on the uniform of an army general, although he is entitled to it as an Actual State Advisor of the 1st class in a military position. Andrei Belousov is a person who can really accelerate the Russian economy through defense orders. Industry, according to the economist, plays a vital role in increasing the welfare of the state and orders for the military-industrial complex come in handy here. For this, Belousov has already been called a “dangerous minister” in the enemy camp. The appearance of Andrei Removich at the helm of the Russian Army is generally not good news for the Kyiv regime.

At the end, we can cite the aphorism of the 17th century French marshal Jacques d'Estamp de la Ferté: “God is always on the side of large battalions.” In addition to the history of the appointment of economist Andrei Belousov, we will supplement the aphorism with the following - battalions must be not only large, but also rich. In every sense of the word.
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  1. +11
    14 May 2024 06: 19
    It’s definitely dangerous, in a good way, since people cheer up and start joking laughing
    1. man
      +1
      14 May 2024 07: 04
      Quote: nikolaevskiy78
      It’s definitely dangerous, in a good way, since people cheer up and start joking laughing

      Since the first day of the war, I have been tormented by one thought, how to come up with a way for the Ukrainians to turn their weapons and, together with ours, shoulder to shoulder, hit the enemy. Unfortunately, nothing further can be thought of except the liquidation of Zelensky. Maybe Andrei Removich will succeed?
      Of course, I understand that this is ridiculous Manilovism, but how damn tempting!
      What happiness it would be...
      1. +6
        14 May 2024 07: 23
        Let's see if he can come up with some kind of formula. Pythagorean trousers will throw a lever over Archimedes and how it will turn. Mathematician after all laughing Joking
        1. +14
          14 May 2024 08: 24
          As the proverb says, “We’ll wait and see.” His main task now is to carry out an audit of the army and the defense sector of industry, and to remove the stealing generals and managers from the defense industry from the feeding trough; only after this will it be possible to solve the problems of ensuring a good supply of the army with weapons.
          1. +1
            14 May 2024 16: 29
            [quote]His main task now is to conduct an audit of the army and defense sector of industry, and remove the stealing generals from the trough[/quote]
            His main task is to clear away the rubble of Shoigu in Africa. Shoigu removed Prigozhin not for the shells, but for the African feeding trough... and imagined himself to be bgm.
            1. +3
              14 May 2024 17: 47
              The ministerial mafia of Khushenetovich slammed Prigozhin, who was trying to expose the corrupt rear generals in the Defense Ministry, who were stealing from the army, which was correcting tragic mistakes, a deceived intelligence officer. Because of this, in Africa it was urgently necessary to stop the problems that began to arise in connection with the death of Prigozhin, on whom much was tied. The Northern Military District cannot win with traitor rear generals, which means the instinct of self-preservation is still present in the Kremlin.
      2. +16
        14 May 2024 07: 24
        mann, this was possible in 14-15, at least for the most part the residents of the east, south and north of Ukraine were on “our side”. Now everything is much more complicated.
      3. +13
        14 May 2024 07: 40
        What a promising and young pensioner, only 65 years old and already Minister of Defense. And Shoigu went for a promotion and will control the young shoots.
        The economic bloc is traditionally one of the most effective in the government

        laughing
        1. +26
          14 May 2024 10: 56
          Quote: Civil
          The economic bloc is traditionally one of the most effective in the government

          Yeah, I laughed too!!! Every year is a breakthrough! Either the ruble falls twofold, or the rate is 15+%. Either inflation is “6”%, or “growth” of the economy is 0,1%. Then $300 billion was presented to the “partners”.
          Effective, to the point of horror!!!
          1. -4
            15 May 2024 02: 52
            Effective. The ineffective leftist movement with Marx in its head would have turned us into a second Venezuela long ago.
            1. +2
              15 May 2024 11: 06
              Quote: Shuridze
              The ineffective leftist movement with Marx in its head would have turned us into a second Venezuela long ago.

              In essence, we are Venezuela, only the scale is different, so we are still floundering.
        2. +7
          14 May 2024 14: 44
          Quote: Civil
          And Shoigu went for a promotion and will control the young shoots.

          He went to be drinking buddies with the LADIES, to watch from there how all his deputies are now being accused of espionage, sabotage, sabotage and theft on an especially large scale by the FSB and the Investigative Committee and are prosecuting cases.
          On television, too, big changes are soon promised - they are going to sweep out all the game that has been bred since the 90s... And I can’t believe it, but I also couldn’t believe that Shoigu would be removed and the whole clan would go to trial. So you see, the turn will come to the economic and financial bloc of the government. Because fighting such a circus is somehow wild and surreal.
          Quote: Civil
          The economic bloc is traditionally one of the most effective in the government

          This was especially fun.
          Surovikin from Africa is expected to become deputy defense minister soon...
          So the story with last year’s “Prigozhin’s rebellion” began to sparkle with new colors. Do you remember for what purpose Utkin went to Moscow? It’s even awkward to write something like this, but... “Rescuing Putin from Shoiga’s captivity.” Who could not be contacted. And Lukashenko said that Putin couldn’t get through to him either, they say. “He doesn’t pick up the phone, doesn’t want to talk to anyone.” . . Meanwhile, electronic warfare and electronic warfare helicopters hovered over Wagner’s columns... and even a specialized aircraft... which were shot down.

          At the recent elections, it was Shoigu who wanted to be crowned president. . . This is such a fuss of bulldogs under the carpet. Shakespeare would be jealous.
        3. 0
          Yesterday, 14: 34
          The realization has come that it is impossible to win with corrupt generals. Hence the talk about readiness for negotiations and the change of minister. Shoigu’s high rating of trust turned out to be “zilch”; the exaggerated figures in the real case turned out to be professionally unprepared.
      4. +2
        14 May 2024 12: 05
        I had the opportunity to serve in the SA with the Ukrainians and the Baltic states. The Ukrainians believed that they were feeding the entire Union, and the Balts really liked living under the Germans!
        Therefore, they will never be Russian!!!
      5. 0
        15 May 2024 03: 30
        they will do it voluntarily
      6. 0
        15 May 2024 17: 50
        For this purpose, in normal countries there are special services. But we have other ways, apparently.
    2. +2
      14 May 2024 10: 47
      Well, these are the right "jokes")
      1. +2
        14 May 2024 15: 23
        I say it's a good sign.
  2. +6
    14 May 2024 06: 20
    Interesting movie. We'll see what comes of this appointment. In any case, a financier at the helm of the army is not the worst choice, you see, they will actually steal less.
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        1. +29
          14 May 2024 07: 26
          Another jingoistic patriot has been found.
          Do you also believe Mishustin that the average salary in the country is 73 rubles?
          You should rather go to Kiselyov for transfer. They write about something else here.
          1. -12
            14 May 2024 08: 01
            Another jingoistic patriot has been found.

            Well, hurray, not hurray, but unlike you, I visited the Northern Military District.
            Do you also believe Mishustin that the average salary in the country is 73 rubles?
            What's missing for a hangover? Go ahead to the military registration and enlistment office, salary from 210 rubles, again they will put your brains in place and teach you to love your homeland, well, really, if you survive.
            1. +15
              14 May 2024 08: 18
              I love my homeland very much. And I love our people too.
              But I can’t stand capitalist ghouls.
              So see?
              1. -9
                14 May 2024 08: 20
                I love my homeland very much. And I love our people too.
                Well, from the couch we are all “patriots”, you can prove it with your deeds.
                But I can’t stand capitalist ghouls.
                Where do you want them to go? Hang in public on a place of execution?
                1. +11
                  14 May 2024 08: 24
                  All. Tired of it. Wherever you want, go there. If you want, take it home, or send it to the front line.
                  The discussion is over.
                  1. -3
                    14 May 2024 08: 27
                    All. Tired of it. Wherever you want, go there. If you want, take it home, or send it to the front line.
                    The discussion is over.
                    He quickly deflated.
                    1. -4
                      14 May 2024 09: 14
                      Quote: Alex_1973
                      He quickly deflated.

                      So there are no arguments. The main thing is to raise the dust...
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                      3. +7
                        14 May 2024 09: 45
                        Well, let’s just say that my decision to go to SVO was supported only by my wife from the whole family; for everyone else, I am “a little not smart.” At the same time, none of them served in the army, they work half-heartedly and everything is bad for everyone, well, except for me. Everything is fine with me, two adopted daughters, the army behind me (the Caucasus) and plus the Northern Military District, two wounds, two concussions, four titanium plates in the head, and so on, little things, my right eye almost doesn’t see, my right ear almost doesn’t hear. In general, life was good...!
                      4. 0
                        14 May 2024 19: 27
                        But my conscience is clear. And with this..... flag in hand and the wind is fair.
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            2. +8
              14 May 2024 08: 28
              Well, hurray, not hurray, but unlike you, I visited the Northern Military District.
              If you were there, I would like to hear your expert opinion about this book:
              1. +19
                14 May 2024 08: 39
                To be honest, I haven’t read it or even seen it. What is it about in a nutshell? I just don't have time to search and read.
                P.S. I looked at the summary. I can say that war is war. Yes, and I personally witnessed very unpleasant things. From outright imbecility to trading in certificates of injury. To whom is war, and to whom mother is dear. I can say that we are not much different from the Skakuas. And mistakes in command, and filling up with meat, and leaving positions without orders, everything that is written about dill, all the same is inherent in us.
                It's a long story, and nothing particularly good.
                1. +7
                  14 May 2024 08: 44
                  (Alexey)
                  Thanks for your honestyhi
                  1. +12
                    14 May 2024 08: 52
                    Thank you for your honesty
                    It's my pleasure! hi
                    Just to understand, people are people and they are all different. Somewhere there are competent and courageous commanders who care about the personnel, and somewhere there are people like ours, who have never been on the front line, but at the same time successfully traded certificates of injury. But again, these are our people who did not come to us from Space, the human factor is everywhere, not all saints were in the Second World War either, let’s be honest!
                2. +3
                  14 May 2024 09: 16
                  Thank you for your honesty!
                  Quote: Alex_1973
                  To be honest, I haven’t read it or even seen it. What is it about in a nutshell? I just don't have time to search and read.
                  P.S. I looked at the summary. I can say that war is war. Yes, and I personally witnessed very unpleasant things. From outright imbecility to trading in certificates of injury. To whom is war, and to whom mother is dear. I can say that we are not much different from the Skakuas. And mistakes in command, and filling up with meat, and leaving positions without orders, everything that is written about dill, all the same is inherent in us.
                  It's a long story, and nothing particularly good.
                3. +7
                  14 May 2024 11: 14
                  Quote: Alex_1973
                  I can say that we are not much different from the Skakuas.

                  This can be seen even in the decisions and actions of our and their governments. What about raising the pension age, what about new laws on mobilization, what about conscription into the Northern Military District from places not so remote, and all this without declaring war or martial law. Everything was ripped off like a carbon copy. All the lies that they tell their population are also poured into our ears by our rulers.
                  So, if we are the same as them, and they are the same as us, then why are we fighting? For what? Some general meanings and theses, vague goals... But for WHAT exactly? Do you have an answer to this question?
                  1. +4
                    14 May 2024 11: 23
                    FOR WHAT?! So you still haven’t figured out WHAT?! For me, everything became clear from the Gorlovka Madonna and the House of Trade Unions, and if it is still not clear to you WHAT we are fighting FOR, then you should see an ophthalmologist, or a psychiatrist, but not me!

                    P.S. I know the best answer to this question. We were in the smoking room in the hospital, there were conscript soldiers with us, green ones, about the same question, “was it worth it”? So, standing next to me was a guy who didn’t have legs up to his knees (like a petal), and so he said a phrase that I remembered for the rest of my life, he said “yes, it was worth it, if only for the sake of getting you green there Did not send...!"
                    1. +2
                      14 May 2024 11: 51
                      Quote: Alex_1973
                      FOR WHAT?! So you still haven’t figured out WHAT?! For me, everything became clear from the Gorlovka Madonna and the House of Trade Unions, and if it is still not clear to you WHAT we are fighting FOR, then you should see an ophthalmologist, or a psychiatrist, but not me!

                      This is all clear. But this is not the beginning of the war. As our top commander said, starting from the Northern Military District of the Russian Federation, he is trying to stop the war in Ukraine, which began in 2014.
                      So WHY is all this? If in 2014 they decided to protect citizens loyal to Russia from Bandera, then why didn’t they start the SVO in 2014? Then, up to the Dnieper, almost the entire population would stand under our banners. WHY did they wait and look at the Trade Union in Odessa, and at Madonna. Now what? Over the 8 years since 2014, some of our people there were physically destroyed, some were intimidated, some were forced out here, some were brainwashed. After all, the majority there are now from the eastern regions fighting against us.
                      This is what I don’t understand! What is this? Why and why? But the Kremlin is still negotiating with Westerners and is ready for an agreement. So WHY IS THIS ALL?
                      1. 0
                        14 May 2024 15: 49
                        in 2014, almost the entire population of Crimea was behind us. In Donbass it’s already 70-80%, in the rest of eastern Ukraine it’s good if it’s half. And from the very beginning - since 2014, there were a lot of “stubborn” people from eastern Ukraine. The same Azov is Kharkov, and long before 2014. And of this, well, if half, there were few “violent” ones - ordinary people, not ultras. So it’s hard to say how this would have ended in 14th. They were much weaker, and so were we. There was no readiness at all for the same sanctions.
                      2. +5
                        14 May 2024 16: 06
                        Quote from shikin
                        In Donbass it’s already 70-80%, in the rest of eastern Ukraine it’s good if it’s half. And from the very beginning - since 2014, there were a lot of “stubborn” people from eastern Ukraine. The same Azov is Kharkov, and long before 2014. And of this, well, if half, there were few “violent” ones - ordinary people, not ultras. So it’s hard to say how this would have ended in 14th. They were much weaker, and so were we. There was no readiness at all for the same sanctions.

                        Kharkov was for us. Anti-Maidan protested there in the same way as in Donetsk and Lugansk. Zaporozhye 50/50. Odessa, Nikolaev - there were more than 50% for us, BEFORE May 2.
                        In 2014, they weren’t just weaker, they weren’t there at all. The authorities are not legitimate at all, which is the most important thing. Using Yanukovych, a lot of things could be done there. The Ukrainian Armed Forces were generally unfit for combat, so much so that they could not knock out Girkin and one militia brigade for months. If our government showed will and aggression, then everything would be completely, completely different from what it is now.
                        Economically not ready? Well, except that we didn’t have a national payment system. The rest is still the same. Another thing is that our authorities wanted to continue to be friends with Western partners and withdraw money from the Russian Federation to their banks.
                    2. 0
                      15 May 2024 21: 00
                      Dear colleagues, there is no need to get hung up on the question of whether or not you served in the Northern Military District, I just want to remind some that our generation, in addition to the Northern Military District, also had Afghanistan, Chernobyl, Baku, Tajikistan, Transnistria, Chechnya, and so on in small things - I want to emphasize that conscripts fought and nothing worked out. It’s sad to read these dialogues about who loves their motherland more. Of course, fascism will not pass and we all believe that victory will be ours, but we have more people burned in Perm and Kemerovo, about 200 people, about 30 of them are children, and we are all about Ukraine and what’s going on here.
            3. +2
              14 May 2024 15: 18
              Quote: Alex_1973
              again, they will put their brains in their place and teach them to love their homeland

              Is it this kind of environment that will teach you to love your Motherland and put your brains in their place?:
              Quote: Alex_1973
              I can say that we are not much different from the Skakuas. And mistakes in command, and filling up with meat, and leaving positions without orders, everything that is written about dill, all the same is inherent in us.
              It's a long story, and nothing particularly good.

              And this is if you don’t remember that while the Northern Military District is underway, and tens of thousands have already died in it, migration and replacement are in full swing in the rear.
          2. +4
            14 May 2024 11: 05
            Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
            Do you also believe Mishustin that the average salary in the country is 73 rubles?

            Yes, it may be average. In Moscow it will be even more so. But this figure doesn't mean anything. Our median salary is 43 tr. and minimum wage 19 TR. This says a lot.
        2. +27
          14 May 2024 07: 44
          . Any evidence?

          Aren't the last 24 years clear? Nothing but words.
          The Tsapkovs were taken only after they had massacred several families. Before this, people wrote wherever they could. And what?
          Kuznetsov from the Moscow region, Khoroshavin, Reimer, Colonel Zakharchenko, the traffic police of the Krasnodar region with golden toilets, Ivanov is the same. Multi-billion dollar bribes and thefts! For decades! So what, no one knew? Did not see? Where was the tax office? Tax police? Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB?
          Paintings, real estate, luxury goods, Bugatti and more. Expenses were many times higher than official income. And what?
          A stone was thrown into the swamp. One. Well, maybe two.
          1. -14
            14 May 2024 08: 05
            Podvodnik (Igor)
            Aren't the last 24 years clear? Nothing but words.
            I mean, nothing but words? Are your stores empty? As if we are currently the most sanctioned country in the world. At the same time, the economy is growing and no one seems to have died of hunger yet.
            1. +12
              14 May 2024 11: 20
              Quote: Alex_1973
              I mean, nothing but words? Are your stores empty? As if we are currently the most sanctioned country in the world. At the same time, the economy is growing and no one seems to have died of hunger yet.

              How do you know how many have died out and from what? How many were not born? How are our demographics? We are steadily dying out, even taking into account replacement by Asians...
              How many died from SVO? Have you ever thought that this SVO is precisely due to sloppiness, our sloppiness? Yes, even the way it is going on, for the third year already, is it also because everything is good in the country and in the Armed Forces?
              And nothing but words, yes. All promises remained promises. And not raising the pension age, and affordable housing, and decent pensions... Everything remains a carrot for the donkey.
              1. -8
                14 May 2024 11: 25
                Has it ever occurred to you that maybe abortions shouldn’t be done? Or is Putin personally forcing you not to give birth? What kind of nonsense are you talking about? How many children do you have?
                1. +12
                  14 May 2024 11: 55
                  Quote: Alex_1973
                  Has it ever occurred to you that maybe abortions shouldn’t be done?

                  This is how you can simply protect yourself...
                  Quote: Alex_1973
                  How many children do you have?

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                  Quote: Alex_1973
                  Or is Putin personally forcing you not to give birth? What kind of nonsense are you talking about?

                  The median salary (this is the figure not exceeding which 50% of the population receives per month) in 2023 we had 43 thousand rubles. Mortgage payment for 25 years is somewhere from 30 tr, if for 1 sq.m. in a major city. Do I need to explain further?
              2. -1
                15 May 2024 01: 22
                How do you know how many have died out and from what? How many were not born? How are our demographics? We are steadily dying out, even taking into account replacement by Asians...
                How many died from SVO? Have you ever thought that this SVO is precisely due to sloppiness, our sloppiness? Yes, even the way it is going on, for the third year already, is it also because everything is good in the country and in the Armed Forces?
                And nothing but words, yes. All promises remained promises. And not raising the pension age, and affordable housing, and decent pensions... Everything remains a carrot for the donkey.

                Blah blah blah blah. Just verbal diarrhea, zero specifics.
                It's like we're the only ones with problems. Pfft degenerative thinking. If you're too lazy to look, I'll tell you. Every year 15 thousand die from car accidents in Russia. What have you personally done to reduce the number of victims? Have you given up your car? 400 thousand die every year from alcohol. Do you drink alcohol? 8 thousand die from fires every year. Have you given up matches and lighters? Do you eat raw food? Tens of thousands suffer from man-made disasters every year. Should you give up civilization? All these deaths are thanks to you. You didn't know? After all, this is the price for driving, eating, drinking and writing nonsense in the comments. Everything in the world has a price. If you still haven’t understood this, you’re worthless.
                1. +1
                  15 May 2024 09: 18
                  Quote: Griffit
                  Blah blah blah blah. Just verbal diarrhea, zero specifics.

                  FULL of specifics! A MILLION DIED A YEAR!! This is with the total distribution of passports to Asians. This is also not his “merit”?
                  1. -2
                    15 May 2024 12: 35
                    Do you have something against Asians? Are you a fascist? In the USSR, people of “non-white” appearance accounted for more than 70% of the population. Now it is clear why the USSR collapsed. Because of the xenophobia of people like you.
                    1. +3
                      15 May 2024 12: 46
                      Quote: Griffit
                      Do you have something against Asians? Are you a fascist?

                      laughing I am against illegal migration. I am against the crime they bring with them. I am against the herds of staggering, poorly educated, but aggressive, primarily on a national basis, towards us, the visiting Asians. I am against the terrorist attack in Crocus, which was carried out by UNEMPLOYED migrants. I am against their lawlessness on the streets, in public transport, in shops and cafes. I am against the fact that one poorly educated Tajik is drowning seven St. Petersburg residents, professors and associate professors, university teachers, among them. If you like this, then you are an ordinary Stepashka, giving up your country for 3 kopecks.

                      Quote: Griffit
                      In the USSR, people of “non-white” appearance accounted for more than 70% of the population.

                      wassat Where did you get such game from?
                      Russians and Ukrainians only 68,6% fool
                      Quote: Griffit
                      Now it is clear why the USSR collapsed. Because of the xenophobia of people like you.

                      Now it’s clear why Russia is dying out, because of Stepashki like you.
                      1. -3
                        15 May 2024 12: 54
                        You're a funny man. The Russian statistics are a complete lie, but the USSR statistics are the truth. When I received a passport under the then USSR, I could enter any nationality. The passport officer personally entered it in front of me, asking me. So are you sure I said the truth or what I want? And millions like me? So you can wipe your butt with the lying statistics of the USSR, they are no good for anything else. Everyone knows perfectly well how statistics were kept in the USSR with its additions to please individual leaders, especially in the 70s and 80s.
                      2. 0
                        15 May 2024 13: 17
                        Quote: Griffit
                        These statistics from Russia are a complete lie

                        This is your blah blah blah, and nothing more.
                        Quote: Griffit
                        When I received my passport, I could enter any nationality. The passport officer personally entered it in front of me, asking me. So are you sure I said the truth or what I want? And millions like me? So you can wipe your butt with the lying statistics of the USSR, they are no good for anything else. Everyone knows perfectly well how statistics were kept in the USSR with its additions to please individual leaders, especially in the 70s and 80s.

                        laughing wow!!! This is the third time you've started this cartoon.
                        You should have at least read the term NATIONALITY, then you rushed to debunk the “myths” of the USSR. You would have thought with your head that even if all the Uzbek-Tajiks then and now signed up for the Russians, this would not even be 10% comparable to the Russians and Ukrainians! How can you talk such nonsense? belay
                        Article 26 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation - Russia states that everyone has the right to determine and indicate their nationality, and no one can be forced to determine and indicate their nationality

                        Has it reached at least a little? fool Whether in the USSR or now, a person’s nationality was determined by HIMSELF. A synonym for nationality is SELF-DETERMINATION. Do you know many Tatars, for example, who call themselves Russian? What about Chechensev? I see that you are generally a layman in matters of nationalities and demographics.
                        And yes, statistics in the USSR were kept properly, and the population census was carried out responsibly, not like what Putin’s fools did in the 2020-2021 census for 33 billion rubles.
                        https://readovka.news/news/83463?ysclid=lw7nta6qw0442102453
                        The All-Russian population census was doomed to failure, but it was finally discredited by massive falsifications.
                        But organizational failures are not as bad as the deliberate violations of officials who were responsible for the VPN. Rosstat employees were directly instructed to violate the rules, for example, not to interview residents while walking from apartment to apartment, but to catch people leaving the entrances, walk around the courtyards and offer correspondence to sitting pensioners.
                        Every day the plan for the rewritten people was raised. This is regardless of whether there can really be that many people in PUs (census tracts) or not. On the first day, the norm for the census taker Readovka spoke with was 30 people. The next day it grew to 140. And this is not the limit - every day “from above” they said to add 50-100-150 persons.
                        Contrary to the usual practice of paying for work for collecting signatures, workers received a fixed payment - they received only 18 rubles in hand.
                        The absence of “piecemeal” payment for questionnaires is very convenient for VPN organizers. Thus, it was possible to constantly increase the plan and the load on the census takers, and if the latter began to be indignant, sanctions could be applied. By the way, for failure to comply with the requirements for the census, employees were threatened with dismissal and non-payment of wages for the work done.
                        There were also dead souls - if there was only one person in the apartment and was listed as dead, he was marked as alive and 2-3 people from among his relatives came up to him.
                      3. -1
                        15 May 2024 13: 29
                        That's right, this is self-determination. And self-determination is most often determined by benefit. Under the USSR, in mixed marriages it was advantageous to describe oneself as Russian. Then, when the USSR collapsed, many Russians suddenly turned out to be Germans, Jews, Turks, etc., etc. When it becomes profitable to be Russian again, you will be surprised how many Russians there will suddenly be. laughing
                        America is a living example of this. When it was profitable, everyone suddenly wanted to become Americans. Although there are at most two or three million real Americans. I mean North America (USA+Canada)
                      4. 0
                        15 May 2024 13: 36
                        Quote: Griffit
                        That's right, this is self-determination. And self-determination is most often determined by benefit. Under the USSR, in mixed marriages it was advantageous to describe oneself as Russian.

                        Oh hospadee, what are you talking about? (administrators, add a hand-face emoji, please!!!)
                        Quote: Griffit
                        America is a living example of this. When it was profitable, everyone suddenly wanted to become Americans.

                        Although there are at most two or three million real Americans. I mean North America (USA+Canada)

                        Hand-face - three times!!!
                        There is no such nationality AMERICAN!!! fool
                      5. 0
                        15 May 2024 15: 02
                        Quote: Griffit
                        That's right, this is self-determination. And self-determination is most often determined by benefit. Under the USSR, in mixed marriages it was advantageous to describe oneself as Russian.

                        Oh hospadee, what are you talking about? (administrators, add a hand-face emoji, please!!!)
                        Quote: Griffit
                        America is a living example of this. When it was profitable, everyone suddenly wanted to become Americans.

                        Although there are at most two or three million real Americans. I mean North America (USA+Canada)

                        Hand-face - three times!!!
                        There is no such nationality AMERICAN!!! fool

                        When there is nothing substantive to say, all that remains is emoji. Previously, they simply swore, but here it is impossible, censorship. laughing
                      6. 0
                        15 May 2024 15: 05
                        Quote: Griffit
                        When there is nothing substantive to say, all that remains is emoji. Previously, they simply swore, but here it is impossible, censorship.

                        Well, yes, finally the right thoughts! Your complete lack of competence actually makes me want to swear... Yes
                      7. -1
                        15 May 2024 15: 19
                        Hand-face - three times!!!
                        There is no such nationality AMERICAN!!!

                        Where did I write that American is a nationality? Americans are a nation, but not a nationality. Russians are also a nation, but also not a nationality. Therefore, analogies are appropriate.
                      8. 0
                        15 May 2024 15: 48
                        Quote: Griffit
                        Russians are also a nation, but also not a nationality. Therefore, analogies are appropriate.

                        wassat fool
                        The conversation is over!
                      9. +1
                        15 May 2024 13: 34
                        Quote: Griffit
                        When I received a passport under the then USSR, I could enter any nationality.

                        No. Only the nationality of either parent.
                      10. 0
                        15 May 2024 13: 36
                        No. Only the nationality of either parent.

                        Yes it is. But this does not change the essence of my comment.
                      11. +1
                        15 May 2024 13: 43
                        Quote: Griffit
                        Yes it is. But this does not change the essence of my comment.

                        I would say that it changes quite significantly. For example, according to your theory, I could register as either a Jew or a Georgian. But in fact - only Russians.
                      12. 0
                        15 May 2024 14: 46
                        I would say that it changes quite significantly. For example, according to your theory, I could register as either a Jew or a Georgian. But in fact - only Russians.

                        If you carefully read this entire comment thread, then you will be surprised that these words completely confirmed my above words. That according to statistics there are more than 50% Russians in the USSR, but in fact, as soon as the USSR ended, many suddenly became Germans, Georgians, Jews, etc. etc., i.e. the percentage of Russians in USSR statistics was artificially inflated.
                      13. +1
                        15 May 2024 15: 49
                        Quote: Griffit
                        If you carefully read this entire comment thread, then you will be surprised that these words completely confirmed my above words.

                        On the contrary.

                        Quote: Griffit
                        That according to statistics there are more than 50% Russians in the USSR, but in fact, as soon as the USSR ended, many suddenly became Germans, Georgians, Jews, etc. etc., i.e. the percentage of Russians in USSR statistics was artificially inflated.

                        Brad.
                2. +1
                  15 May 2024 09: 48
                  Quote: Griffit
                  Every year 15 thousand die from car accidents in Russia. What have you personally done to reduce the number of victims? Have you given up your car? 400 thousand die every year from alcohol. Do you drink alcohol? 8 thousand die from fires every year. Have you given up matches and lighters? Do you eat raw food?

                  In the 90s, 45 thousand died on the roads every year. Now, thanks to the Western automobile industry, the death rate in road accidents has decreased. All that GDP did to reduce mortality was to build three toll highways in the country.
                  Quote: Griffit
                  Tens of thousands suffer from man-made disasters every year.

                  Each disaster has a first and last name. But in the vertical system, no one is responsible for anything. That's why disasters happen ALL THE TIME. From the last, epic one. A dam worth billions in Orsk was damaged by RODENTS!!!! And in general this is not a dam, it’s an earthen embankment! Isn't it funny yourself? Isn't it disgusting? And this mess is everywhere, at all levels and in all areas. No matter what, in government offices there are loyal idiots in the management who are never responsible for anything, but have billions in their pockets. They are simply shuffled from place to place like a deck, and that’s it. And all these results of the SVO are also a consequence of all this chaos and lawlessness.
                  This is blah blah blah...
                  1. -1
                    15 May 2024 12: 47
                    But you’re saying that it’s worse here than anywhere else? Where is it good to live then? On Mars? laughing Well, your comment applies to any country in the world. Indicate specifically the country where everything is the opposite of what you wrote.
                    1. +1
                      15 May 2024 12: 57
                      Quote: Griffit
                      But you’re saying that it’s worse here than anywhere else?

                      Point your nose at me, where did I say that? For example, in Somalia it is much worse.
                      Quote: Griffit
                      Indicate specifically the country where everything is the opposite of what you wrote.

                      China, at least. In 30 years, the country has developed from a poor country into a world power. But because the authorities themselves do not steal, and they do not allow their subjects to do so. And for corruption they are quite likely to be shot. So, there is no need for songs here, it’s like that everywhere.
                      1. -1
                        15 May 2024 13: 18
                        Don't talk nonsense. Theft is inherent in all people. It’s just that not everyone realizes this and takes it for granted. What are taxes? Theft of the state from the population or a necessary reality? If it is a necessary given, then the desire of citizens to pay less taxes, what if not hidden theft from their state? In the West, this theft is rampant when companies, in order to avoid paying taxes, go offshore. Even a simple household level. As a child, secretly from everyone, eat a spoonful of jam, sweets, keep some change for yourself, what if this is not theft from the family budget? We live by stealing from nature, without giving anything in return, and we take it for granted. And so it is all over the world. It just all depends on where you keep your stolen common fund. This is what states live on. In China, stolen goods are stored in China. In the West, stolen goods are kept in the West. And in other countries, stolen goods are taken out of the countries. That's why they live worse there. Just look around you. All this is stolen. So you bought a car. The question is, where did the materials come from? They were simply appropriated by a person. He wanted it and appropriated it, taking it away from nature. And the law for this purpose accepted that it was his. Legalized theft. laughing
            2. Alf
              +2
              14 May 2024 18: 50
              Quote: Alex_1973
              No one seems to have died of hunger yet.
        3. +1
          15 May 2024 03: 41
          Everything has been investigated and published a long time ago. about those arrested recently too. so the only question is political will, but they won’t arrest themselves. limited to small fry only. the removal and prosecution of the main defendants and patrons will require some more time, but it is inevitable, if only because of their age and the change of era.
      2. -2
        14 May 2024 09: 07
        Say thank you that we were luckier than the Germans with gynecologist von der Leyen!
        1. 0
          15 May 2024 03: 43
          with the sputtering old lady Matvienko...
      3. +10
        14 May 2024 10: 59
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        And judging by the article, right now he needs to be canonized and icons painted from him. It turned out to be holier than the guarantor himself.
        In a couple of years he will be removed from his post and they will tell us fairy tales - “we thought he was good, but what a he is!”

        Well, yes, the old Russian pastime is belief in a good tsar and bad boyars. And here is a new boyar, maybe the king has found a good one, in such a difficult time! laughing
        Well, as children, by God.
        1. -1
          15 May 2024 01: 25
          Well, yes, the old Russian pastime is belief in a good tsar and bad boyars. And here is a new boyar, maybe the king has found a good one, in such a difficult time!

          Read Robert McNamara's biography before writing nonsense. The situation is approximately similar. And thanks in part to him and his systematic approach to spending in the Pentagon, the USSR lost.
          1. 0
            15 May 2024 11: 04
            Quote: Griffit
            Read Robert McNamara's biography before writing nonsense. The situation is approximately similar. And thanks in part to him and his systematic approach to spending in the Pentagon, the USSR lost.

            McNamara, like Ustinov himself, worked in completely different systems than the existing vertical, which works only to support itself, but not to develop the state, and especially not to compete with another world-class power. That is why the result will be exactly the same, about zero.
      4. -7
        14 May 2024 12: 23
        A gang of thieves, led by a guarantor, has entrenched itself in the Kremlin.

        And what did GDP steal from you? Holey socks?

        Prigogine also spoke about them.

        Is it possible, at least some reference to Prigozhin’s words that the guarantor stole something somewhere.
        I'm waiting, Mr. Lie.
        1. +4
          14 May 2024 13: 11
          Quote: bk316
          And what did GDP steal from you? Holey socks?

          I have 2 years of life (increasing the retirement age), others have 5 years. Military pensions are paid with a reduction factor. This is true, it's not theft, it's legalized robbery. wassat
          1. -3
            14 May 2024 16: 14
            I have 2 years to live

            Didn't you live while you worked?
            If so, why did you work?
            I am not kidding. You have to be responsible for your words.
            1. +2
              14 May 2024 18: 29
              Quote: bk316
              Didn't you live while you worked?

              What kind of life is this when you wait for Friday as a deliverance (especially after 60 years)
              Quote: bk316
              If so, why did you work?

              If I don't work, what do I have to live on?
              Quote: bk316
              I am not kidding. You have to be responsible for your words.

              I can say “I have the honor.” And you? hi
              1. +1
                15 May 2024 08: 42
                I can say "I have the honor"
                It’s rare that anyone these days can say that about themselves. hi
              2. -1
                15 May 2024 16: 23
                And you?

                And I can say, without any slogans, that I am responsible for my words.

                What kind of life is this when you wait for Friday as a deliverance (especially after 60 years)

                If I don't work, what do I have to live on?

                Have you tried to find another job? If not at 60, then at 50?
                I'm not even talking about the one that brings satisfaction.
                I'm talking about the one that pays normally.

                And it is still absolutely unclear to me what kind of work this is, from which you are waiting to get rid of, but the pension with which you can live?

                And so, by the way, my grandfather worked until 70 (at MELZ), my father until 72 (at TsKBM), my grandmother until 65 (at a garment factory)
                My supervisor (front-line soldier) until 79 at Moscow State University.
                This was in the USSR without any Putins.
                1. 0
                  15 May 2024 18: 48
                  Quote: bk316
                  And I can say, without any slogans, that I am responsible for my words.

                  Me too, unlike one comrade, who declared to the whole country, “As long as I am the President of the Russian Federation, the retirement age will not be raised!”
                  Quote: bk316
                  And it is still absolutely unclear to me what kind of work this is, from which you are waiting to get rid of, but the pension with which you can live?

                  The job is good, well paid, but the health requirements are strict. Much like stormtroopers. Until I was 58 I still held on, then it was just stubbornness. The pension is good + corporate pay, but these 3,5 years can be considered like in war - three days. hi
  3. +9
    14 May 2024 06: 20
    As they say, we'll see. The man is really interesting. Apparently, the generals of the Arbat Military District will have to curb their appetites. We'll take a look.
    1. +6
      14 May 2024 07: 09
      Quote: Russian quilted jacket
      The man is really interesting.

      And the similarities are interesting:
    2. +1
      15 May 2024 01: 16
      One. Against the system?

      They'll eat it, and then they'll shit themselves.
  4. +8
    14 May 2024 06: 26
    We should not forget about the personality of Sergei Shoigu. As you know, he was appointed to the post of Secretary of the Russian Security Council, that is, Sergei Kuzhugetovich remained in the inner circle of Vladimir Putin. But that's not important.
    Kuznetsov Yuri Vasilievich: DETAINED...Head of the Main Personnel Directorate of the Ministry of Defense. Lieutenant General. Anyone who thinks that there is a blizzard is not, TASS is authorized to declare this.
    https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/20786197
    And Deputy Minister Ivanov in the bullpen.
    In this connection, it becomes curious how Shoigu will end up, and how soon. Will he shoot himself? Suddenly? Accident? Because the Minister of Defense, even a former one, in the dock is not the best option for the prestige of the Armed Forces, the country, and the Guarantor personally.
    1. +8
      14 May 2024 08: 17
      how Shoigu will end up, and how soon. Will he shoot himself?
      Isn’t it already clear now?
      The former defense minister will continue to work in an area that he “knows very well from the inside and together with his colleagues and partners from his previous place of work,” the press secretary concluded.
    2. +5
      14 May 2024 11: 28
      Why shoot, first for a little while in the Security Council, and then to the original place of all people from the Ministry of Defense - to Rosvertol, to the patriot Serdyukov. Build something there.
    3. Alf
      +2
      14 May 2024 18: 53
      Quote: Nagan
      In this connection, it becomes curious how Shoigu will end up, and how soon. Will he shoot himself? Suddenly? Accident? Because the Minister of Defense, even a former one, in the dock is not the best option for the prestige of the Armed Forces, the country, and the Guarantor personally.

      Serdyukov's example doesn't mean anything? Witness...
  5. +8
    14 May 2024 06: 29
    “The economic bloc is traditionally one of the most effective in Putin’s government. “A very controversial issue, to put it mildly. And so, yes. It looks like it’s time to clean the Augean stables created in the Moscow Region. There’s nothing more to say. Time will tell
    1. 0
      14 May 2024 09: 31
      Quote from: dmi.pris1
      “The economic bloc is traditionally one of the most effective in Putin’s government. “A very controversial issue, to put it mildly. And so, yes. It looks like it’s time to clean the Augean stables created in the Moscow Region. There’s nothing more to say. Time will tell

      That's right! But! I am a dancer (for example). They put me in a tank, an airplane, a steamship... (after repairs), and they told me that I would leave only what was necessary...
      What good am I if I was shoved into a place where I don’t know anything?
      I don't understand the logic with this assignment? Do we not have honest chiefs of finance in the army? Are there no military economists?
      And the general euphoria worries me. The fact that Kuzhugetovich is “tired” is understandable.
      All that remains is to trust the Supreme.
      1. +5
        14 May 2024 14: 24
        Quote: BecmepH
        Do we not have honest chiefs of finance in the army?

        As a graduate of YVVFU, I cannot help but comment.
        Thanks to the efforts of Minister Serdyukov, there are no more chiefs of finance in the army. There are civil accountants. Also, since 2010, there is no more JVVFU. Rocketeers live there now.
      2. Alf
        +2
        14 May 2024 18: 54
        Quote: BecmepH
        Do we not have honest chiefs of finance in the army? Are there no military economists?

        There are, but honest and faithful people do not meet at the same time.
  6. +18
    14 May 2024 06: 31
    The conclusion that there may not be enough money for SVO turned out to be correct. Wrestlers are dragging an absolute professional with a clean reputation to one of the key positions. It became clear that it was time to put things in order in finances, take the flows into honest hands and direct them in the right direction. It seems that the towers have realized that the other side will not allow the war to be stopped, it must be won on the battlefield. But one Belousov will not be enough; we need to find several dozen others like him. Question: where?
    1. Alf
      +1
      14 May 2024 18: 57
      Quote: Essex62
      take the flows into honest hands

      But won't it happen that hands change without changing the course?
      1. 0
        16 May 2024 08: 19
        The rate will remain the same, wild capitalism, but the clan cannot pay from its own pocket indefinitely and theft must stop. Solving military problems in the near future is a priority. It is a matter of maintaining power and control over resources. The crushed competitors will immediately perk up if something like a quarrel of dissatisfied managers and petty bourgeois begins here.
  7. +20
    14 May 2024 06: 32
    Ivanov “laundered” the money that Shevtsova allocated, and Shoigu pretended that he saw nothing, heard nothing and knew nothing. Ivanova and Shoigu “left”. If Shevtsova remains, then everything that is now happening in the Moscow Region is IAD (imitation of vigorous activity). Corruption has always been and will remain so. If Shevtsova also “goes away” (or better yet, goes to prison), then “we’ll see”...
    1. +4
      14 May 2024 09: 58
      — Deputy Minister of Defense Tatyana Shevtsova submitted her resignation.
      1. +1
        14 May 2024 13: 14
        This caudla got quite a burnt... They rushed to grab the “acquired”...
  8. +7
    14 May 2024 06: 36
    I wonder where the chicken coop will go - for the boss to a new job?
    1. +5
      14 May 2024 07: 08
      By main specialty - probably a brothel or an escort.
      1. 0
        14 May 2024 13: 23
        Quote: Apis1962
        probably to a brothel or an escort.

        Grandmothers of easy virtue? This is something new wassat They provided for themselves for the rest of their lives, the main thing is to leave on time. hi
  9. +4
    14 May 2024 06: 39
    Let's see. The main thing is not to be like Serdyukov.
  10. +14
    14 May 2024 06: 45
    . Dmitry Peskov previously supplemented Belousov’s responsibilities with an impromptu aphorism: “On the battlefield, the one who is open to innovation wins.”

    It’s good that this “commander” was not installed.

    . The economic bloc is traditionally one of the most effective in Putin's government.

    For the last 24 years, our economy has not emerged from crises! And devaluation and chronic inflation were her best friends. The main economic reforms (2012-2020), which were called the May Decrees, also failed.
  11. +7
    14 May 2024 06: 47
    Why, exactly, should we hope that the new minister will not put on a uniform?
    He will work in just such a department where the uniform and shoulder straps corresponding to his rank play an important role.
    Some people may not like this, but it is a solid fact.
    1. +3
      14 May 2024 07: 02
      Just if he is alone without a uniform, he will make a greater impression on the uniform-wearers
    2. +4
      14 May 2024 07: 26
      In America, on the contrary, Lloyd Austin took off the uniform of a 4-star general, and after 4 years became a minister. Moreover, as an exception, something had to be obtained from Congress, because by law the minister is required to be a civilian, and a military man has the right only 7 years after leaving the ranks.
      By the way, in the USSR during the war, Stalin became People's Commissar of Defense and Supreme Commander-in-Chief, without having a rank at all, from the word "absolutely." And Stalin received the title of marshal in 1943, officially “according to his position,” but in fact he gave in to the demands of the generals, who were uncomfortable obeying the “jacket,” even Stalin himself. Well, instead of “Comrade Supreme Commander-in-Chief,” they wanted to address themselves as “Comrade Marshal.” He became Generalissimo only on June 27, 1945, and refused special epaulettes, said that he felt good in a marshal’s uniform, and everyone had to agree.
      And the fact that it looks somewhat ridiculous to take part in a parade in a jacket, this function can easily be entrusted to, say, the Chief of the General Staff, or some other general with many stars.
      1. 0
        14 May 2024 08: 35
        These are all facts of history.
        The same fact is the tradition that has developed over the past 100 years, according to which the military is commanded by a military man. Therefore, when Kokoshin and Serdyukov were in the department, this introduced some disharmony in the feeling of the emerging world order.
        Gentle women generals felt this subtly and adapted the required civil service uniforms to the military, which, in principle, is correct. Otherwise, why are these uniforms with shoulder straps even needed?
        Or, Zakharova, a star of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, a civilian in a civilian department, with the rank of an army general, does not wear a uniform in service.
    3. +1
      14 May 2024 11: 41
      Well, gray uniforms in the Ministry of Defense are not new among green uniforms (for example, among the Deputy Ministers of Defense there are the same Tsalikov, Krivoruchko, Shevtsova). And he already has the title of Actual State Councilor 1st Class.
  12. +2
    14 May 2024 06: 50
    He graduated from a special mathematical school in Moscow, and this is a completely different level, both the level of thinking and leadership. In a word, let's see what happens next
    1. Alf
      0
      14 May 2024 19: 01
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      He graduated from a special mathematical school in Moscow,

      Mathematics is great and necessary (I’m not kidding), but what about the lack of knowledge of the smell of foot wraps?
      At today's factories there are a lot of directors with a bunch of diplomas in economics, but the factories are dying, but when a director comes, having grown up from a foreman, head of a workshop, and so on, the plant “why” flourishes...
  13. +3
    14 May 2024 06: 52
    When hostilities are going on, there are always parasites who want to warm their hands on this basis. Belousov’s main advantage is considered to be that he is not a liberal. As if not all liberals are all good people. Napoleon and Hitler were not liberals either. Another annoying thing is that that the doctrine of nuclear deterrence is changing its image. Too many people have recently appeared calling for a nuclear war. Without putting the security of our society. Recently, the Motherland has been portrayed not as a place for our population to live with its magnificent open spaces. But as a certain substance that needs to be protected.
    1. 0
      14 May 2024 13: 29
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      Recently, the Motherland has been portrayed not as a place for our population to live with its magnificent open spaces, but as a certain substance that needs to be protected.

      Will you give your bowl of borscht to someone? No ! You will protect. Even US business, which has established its factories in China, defends China from Blinken, telling the latter - do not interfere with our work in China. hi
  14. 0
    14 May 2024 06: 57
    A liberal, a specialist in macroeconomics, somehow poorly combines with the promoted characterization of the figure of a patriotic statist and technocrat. There are doubts about the crystal honesty of the ex-liberal, Chubais as an example. But still I want to believe in the best and hope for good things.
    1. 0
      14 May 2024 09: 10
      What does “honesty” have to do with “liberalism”?
      Can't a dirigiste be corrupt?
      or does the preference for “comparatively freer private initiative and less redistribution” (without going to the extreme of absurdity) somehow automatically presuppose the harmful essence of the conditional Voldemort, who is evil because he is evil? ))
  15. 0
    14 May 2024 06: 59
    People are right when they say, wait and see. I won’t lie if I say that people are optimistic, and this is already a good advance; we’ll see if the person lives up to it.
    1. +5
      14 May 2024 09: 13
      Yes, just something, we live to see, then we see and are disappointed, and so on in a circle...
  16. +3
    14 May 2024 07: 02
    the most popular request is running out 12 January in Russian-language search engines

    Did the author under-celebrate the Old New Year? ))
    1. +2
      14 May 2024 07: 10
      Did the author under-celebrate the Old New Year? ))
      Didn't get hungover wink
  17. +1
    14 May 2024 07: 17
    Changing the places of the terms does not change the sum.
  18. +18
    14 May 2024 07: 21
    The economic bloc is traditionally one of the most effective in Putin’s government

    I'm crying with laughter...
    1. -13
      14 May 2024 09: 14
      and what is wrong? relatively effective, yes.
      They didn’t perform miracles, but they kept the situation afloat, where there were plenty of critical risks and non-obvious solutions...
      The average standard of living has grown significantly (during the ENTIRE “Putin era”; and this is NOT about “but it’s not like that for the Meyans and my friends...”)... the environment for both entrepreneurs and corporations has become more transparent , the bureaucracy has not been defeated, but has been significantly optimized. The ruble fell painfully, but again, this is far from Venezuela-Zimbabwe, and not even Türkiye...
      1. +12
        14 May 2024 09: 54
        Quote: deathtiny
        and what is wrong? relatively effective, yes.

        If compared with
        Quote: deathtiny
        Venezuela-Zimbabwe

        it's possible.
        Quote: deathtiny
        The average standard of living has increased significantly

        the effect of a low start - the wild 90s and the crisis of 1998 dropped us to the plinth, after which, naturally, there should have been growth. We should not look at the change in our standard of living since 2000. and in comparison with how it is changing in other countries... and with the same Chinese
        Quote: deathtiny
        The environment for both entrepreneurs and corporations has become more transparent, bureaucracy has not been defeated, but has been significantly optimized. The ruble fell painfully

        First, the conditions for normal competition with global manufacturers have not been created. Interest rates for loans that are wild by the standards of the United States and the West, with which the domestic manufacturer is obviously weaker in terms of investment opportunities in technical development and R&D
        The second is the eternal shortage of funds. We have about half as much money per ruble of manufactured products as in Europe and the USA. That is, under the guise of fighting inflation, we have put the economy into a deliberate cash deficit, which has an extremely negative impact on its development.
        Third - justifying the first and second, it was said at the highest level - go for cheap money abroad, who is stopping you. Went. But the government’s games with the ruble exchange rate (they dropped the exchange rate every time during a crisis to fuel the budget) killed a bunch of companies that were going for IPOs
        Fourth, the same games with the depreciation of the exchange rate completely killed the idea of ​​foreign investment in the Russian Federation, which was proclaimed by our government as the alpha and omega of development. If you look at the investments of foreigners, these are either industries trading for foreign currency (oil/gas) or a screwdriver assembly
        Fifth - WTO. Here God simply saved, Putin did not have time to ruin agriculture and a significant part of industry
        All normal countries join the WTO to develop new markets and strengthen their producers, who have exhausted the possibilities for further development within the country. We went there with a half-dead industry.
        Sixth - the above-mentioned games with the dollar exchange rate. Only the Russian Federation managed to tie 40% of its federal budget revenues to the price of oil on foreign exchanges and the dollar exchange rate... There seem to be no other such... alternatively economically gifted people in the world
        I can list for a long time
    2. +3
      14 May 2024 12: 10
      Performance is measured according to set goals. It’s just that the goals of this bloc are a little different from those that ordinary people came up with for themselves. And for real purposes undeclared to the masses, it is perhaps very effective.
    3. +1
      14 May 2024 13: 36
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      I'm crying with laughter...

      Me too . For 10 years the West has been slowing down the Russian economy with sanctions, and what has been done? We switched to trading in national money and in murky corruption schemes. hi
    4. Alf
      +2
      14 May 2024 19: 03
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      The economic bloc is traditionally one of the most effective in Putin’s government

      I'm crying with laughter...

      Well, who invented the masterpiece term “negative growth”?
  19. 0
    14 May 2024 07: 24
    Appointing a civilian official to the post of Defense Ministry is a strong move on Putin's part.

    In the course of successful actions of the Russian Armed Forces, the authority of the Army in the country is growing. In the future, the Army may become an influential political force that will want to lay claim to Power.
    Will the troops participating in the NWO be willing to accept the dubious outcome of future peace negotiations?

    The appointment of Belousov is an attempt to control the Russian Armed Forces.

    P.S. Belousov could be appointed instead of Shevtsova in order to monitor financial flows,
    The Minister of Defense must be a military man participating in the SVO.
    1. -1
      14 May 2024 08: 23
      Appointing a civilian official to the post of Defense Ministry is a strong move on Putin's part.
      Maybe the Kremlin has begun work on preparing Operation Receiver? And Belousov is being trained to become the future president of the Russian Federation?
      1. -3
        14 May 2024 09: 19
        Quote: Gomunkul
        Maybe the Kremlin has begun work on preparing Operation Receiver? And Belousov is being trained to become the future president of the Russian Federation?

        It may well be... this period of GDP is apparently the end...
        therefore, they are slowly moving the balance in favor of parliament (for now through decorative “ministerial agreements”, but that’s more than nothing)...
        in the style of GDP, by the way, to prepare unexpected punitive decisions... and ensure a “chain of successors”... i.e., in order to prepare a successor for yourself in the person of Mishustin (conditionally), you need a successor in Mishustin’s place.
        therefore, it is quite possible that Mishustin, Belousov, and one of the strong governors are being trained as a potential candidate (there will still be time to try out a minister/deputy prime minister through rotations)...
      2. 0
        14 May 2024 14: 51
        Quote: Gomunkul
        Maybe the Kremlin has begun work on preparing Operation Receiver?

        Receiver.. A receiver is a technical device that receives a signal.
        Quote: Gomunkul
        And Belousov is being trained to become the future president of the Russian Federation?

        In 12 years, Belousov will be 77. What a successor he is... Then it’s really more logical to train a former adjutant, he will only be 63 in 2036, which means for a second term at 69, by today’s standards he’s still a young guy.
      3. Alf
        0
        14 May 2024 19: 07
        Quote: Gomunkul
        Maybe the Kremlin has begun work on preparing Operation Receiver?

        Successor.
        Quote: Gomunkul
        And Belousov is being trained to become the future president of the Russian Federation?

        But what about the formula “if there is Putin, there is Russia, if there is no Putin, there is no Russia”?
    2. -1
      14 May 2024 09: 16
      We all equally understand that the “General Staff” (Gerasimov) directly directs the military operations... and the Ministry of Defense is the system of providing (to everyone) in the first place.
      It is important to maintain a balance here, and this appointment has taken a step in this direction.
      1. +2
        14 May 2024 09: 24
        Any manager must have a specialized education in order to be competent in his field of activity.
        There are exceptions for the talented.
        1. 0
          14 May 2024 10: 49
          There are exceptions for the talented.
          The article seems to be talking about this exception. wink
          1. Alf
            0
            14 May 2024 19: 09
            Quote: Gomunkul
            The article seems to be talking about this exception.

            There was already one “exception”; when it was removed, the words “Comrade officers, stop celebrating and drinking, it’s time to start dragging your service.”
  20. +16
    14 May 2024 07: 53
    . The economic bloc is traditionally one of the most effective in Putin’s government

    Well, yeah.... My wallet doesn't think so.
    1. +12
      14 May 2024 08: 11
      Quote: Podvodnik
      . The economic bloc is traditionally one of the most effective in Putin’s government

      Well, yeah.... My wallet doesn't think so.


      Under capitalism, “efficiency” does not mean benefit for the majority of the population, but rather “the effective withdrawal of funds from the population for the benefit of the ruling class.” In this case, everything that happens is very effective.
    2. Alf
      0
      14 May 2024 19: 10
      Quote: Podvodnik
      . The economic bloc is traditionally one of the most effective in Putin’s government

      Well, yeah.... My wallet doesn't think so.

      You have the wrong wallet. laughing
  21. +3
    14 May 2024 07: 59
    Andrey Belousov can confidently be called a highly qualified specialist in macroeconomics, which could not go unnoticed by the Government.
    Yes. Just a year ago, if there was an attempt to appoint such a person to a truly significant post, he would have simply been removed. “Consult the government” was the limit that a highly qualified specialist could count on. And suddenly... Changes are coming, and they are amazing. Personally, I'm just afraid to believe...
    I fervently hope that it will soon reach the “most effective” economic bloc. Yes, when it was necessary to force our crazy “businessmen” to reduce the insane rates of profit to something reasonable, the methods of the “most effective” were very much on topic. But when the REAL economy was needed, the effectiveness of this thieving bandit... oh, I misspoke, terribly smart economists, of course!! no longer needed. Enough. For more than 30 years they destroyed and spoiled...
    Unfortunately, there is a lot that cannot be returned, no matter what you do. But there is hope! If only everything didn’t go away again along with mobilization for military needs. Even the USSR slipped along this disastrous path. It seems like I cut a corner... and then everything returned to sluggish relaxation. The USSR did not carry out systemic reforms at that time, it simply forced people to tear themselves out of their last strength with a simple explanation - let’s not work like hell, we’ll lose the war. The war is over, nothing has changed systemically, over-mobilization has sucked the life out of the workers... But not again! There will be no third attempt!
  22. 0
    14 May 2024 08: 09
    A very logical purpose.

    Politics is a concentrated expression of economics. In this case, I agree with the author of this expression.

    The North Military District has, first of all, economic goals that could not be achieved by political means, so it was necessary to use military ones, but at the same time the goals remain economic, and the means of ensuring a military operation in a protracted conflict of attrition are also primarily economic.
    1. -4
      14 May 2024 12: 15
      The SVO has primarily economic goals

      When I hear this, I understand what comes first in a person’s life...
      1. 0
        14 May 2024 12: 43
        “When I hear this, I understand what comes first in a person’s life...”

        The one who made the decision? Or Lenin's?
  23. +10
    14 May 2024 08: 19
    The economic bloc is traditionally one of the most effective in Putin’s government This phrase is the most in the entire article laughing The deflection is valid.
  24. +4
    14 May 2024 08: 47
    We are moving towards a Western model of the army.
    When the Defense Ministry is responsible for ensuring that the soldier is supplied, armed, trained, and delivered to the battlefield.
    The political leadership decides who he will shoot at.
    How - the General Staff and Co. decides.
    In this case, the Minister of Defense is required to have the ability to manage financial flows and personal loyalty
    1. Alf
      +1
      14 May 2024 19: 12
      Quote: Not the fighter
      When the Defense Ministry is responsible for ensuring that the soldier is supplied, armed, trained, and delivered to the battlefield.
      The political leadership decides who he will shoot at.
      How - the General Staff and Co. decides.

      Wasn’t it like that in the USSR?
  25. +2
    14 May 2024 09: 01
    When Brezhnev appointed civilian D F Ustinov as the new Minister of Defense of the USSR, this also caused irritation in the army, mainly among the generals!! Even Varennikov wrote about Ustinov in his memoirs, saying he fell asleep during Ogarkov’s reports!! But in fact, it was Ustinov’s appointment that gave impetus to the development of new weapons of the Soviet Army!! It was under him that much of what is still used in the Russian army was created, and a major foundation was made for the future, which saved Russia in the 90s. I don’t even mention the nuclear missile trap anymore, so it’s clear! Of course, it is not correct to compare Belousov and Ustinov, but the very meaning of his appointment to this position becomes more clear! Under the USSR, there was also a steady increase in army funding, and therefore Ustinov’s appointment was more timely than ever! Knowing the military-industrial complex thoroughly, he managed this funding well. But he also made mistakes, the example of Chelomey and the Caspian monster! Therefore, we will see how Belousov does it!
  26. +3
    14 May 2024 09: 07
    I studied at a physics and mathematics school, but went on to become an economist. laughing Serdyukov was not a military man either, but there was no cleaning up after him. From what we have at the moment, a couple of beds have been moved.
    1. 0
      15 May 2024 03: 57
      went to become an economist-mathematician
      1. 0
        15 May 2024 08: 49
        Sure sure. Which is not for a nuclear physicist. laughing "" "" "
  27. +4
    14 May 2024 10: 00
    The scandalous detention of Timur Ivanov a few weeks earlier showed that financial control in Shoigu’s department is not simple. It is impossible to say that Shoigu, Vladimir Putin’s closest ally, was removed because of a stealthy deputy.
    Well, of course, he didn't know anything. This was also said by the classic wassat
    If anything happened, it was just a pure accident and "God's providence," as the old man Vanichek from Pelhrimov said when he was imprisoned for the thirty-sixth time.
    The article came out very unctuously. One feels that the author wants to please both Belousov and Shoigu. Although the HR chief has already been detained. No matter how much the rhetoric has to be changed, the “fas” team is just around the corner lol
    1. +5
      14 May 2024 17: 31
      You can’t scold Shoigu, he’s a fisherman, a wood carver and a friend of you know who, the one who doesn’t give up his people. Moreover, Shoigu is an old man with critical vision problems, because only a blind leader wouldn’t notice how his deputies live, so the commands are “fas” will not be in his direction. As for the rest, as they say, we’ll see, but hoping that tomorrow will be better than yesterday, at least in the near future, is naive.
      1. 0
        15 May 2024 10: 04
        Quote: Uncle_Misha
        and a friend you know who, the one who doesn’t give up his own.
        Ulyukaev was also a friend in his time, he even read his poems at the dacha to whomever you know. So about the failed “marshal of victory”, I would not be so categorical hi
        1. +1
          15 May 2024 15: 45
          With us everything is possible, here you are right. But two defense ministers, and for one reason, are too much even for Russia. Serdyukov was not surrendered, but they could have, and Vasilyeva escaped with a slight fright. Currently, Shoigu is learning to work with an iPhone, under the strict guidance of Dmitry Anatolyevich. laughing
  28. -2
    14 May 2024 10: 27
    There are three fundamental directions for an innovative breakthrough not only in the economy but also in the defense sector. The first is innovative breakthroughs and solutions in the field of analysis of highly dynamic processes. And all this is mathematics that can be adapted for machine processing of ultra-large data. Mathematics and machine data processing will give a new breakthrough in modeling optimization. The second direction is breakthrough technologies in the field of creating electric machines. The new principles resolve key issues in the transition to new technological levels throughout the country. And the third direction in the field of using hydrogasdynamic processes. A person works with obvious material objects, but stands still when working with not obvious hydro-gas-dynamic processes. Only the transition to a new type of propulsion will change the entire structure of the country’s economy and weapons. Not many are able to see the fundamental principles of the development of civilization. But this does not change the essence of evolution. Without real comprehensive breakthroughs in technology, there are no points of support for movement in effective development.
  29. +4
    14 May 2024 10: 39
    Worked in a team with Igor Shuvalov and Elvira Nabiullina, where he built the state’s economic agenda for the years ahead

    The team is not very attractive...
  30. +4
    14 May 2024 10: 43
    It sounds almost like an anecdote, but the most popular query at the end of January 12 in Russian-language search engines is related to the personality of Andrei Removich Belousov.

    It is impossible, IMHO, to consider this situation only from the point of view of efficiency. There is also our domestic system of “checks and balances.”
    Is it reasonable when in the most powerful organization - the Ministry of Defense - over many years a group of personally loyal and personally dependent persons has been formed, and not from the FIRST person, but from the minister? Especially if “clouds are gathering” around the minister and “there are questions” (for example, “where are the shells?”)?
    Andrei Removich is absolutely safe as Minister of Defense. Does he have his own “support group” among, for example, the military? The answer to this question can be found in Firebomber's post: "The Supreme Commander proposed appointing Belousov to the post of Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation.
    I have only one question.
    And who is it?
    "

    In forecasts after the inauguration of Vladimir Putin, either the current Governor of the Tula Region Alexei Dyumin was put in place of Sergei Shoigu

    From the point of view of the system of “checks and balances,” one can immediately call such a position “heir” or “Napoleon.” IMHO, therefore this option is unlikely.

    In addition to the history of the appointment of economist Andrei Belousov, we will supplement the aphorism with the following - battalions must be not only large, but also rich. In every sense of the word.
    The author of the article has no idea how right he is. Well... I hope it works out for all the battalions... but everything possible will be done!

    And now questions for the “experienced” who have experience working in large organizations: what happens when there is a change in leadership, especially when the leader comes “from the outside,” especially if two deputies of the former leader are “the same... this is the same”?

    PS. Undoubtedly, given works such as “Simulation modeling of mechanisms for the formation and use of working capital (multi-sectoral approach)" and "Contradictions and prospects for the development of the reproduction system of the Russian economy", such indicators as "use of working capital" And "reproduction systems".

    P.P.S. It turned out kind of sad.
    Here is an anecdote that is not at all related to the topic: “A new manager takes over the business of a retiring colleague. Among other papers in the safe, the outgoing manager gives him three sealed envelopes with numbers 1, 2, 3.
    The manager receiving the cases asks what is in them. And the one leaving says that when he just gets into the swing of things and sees that there are too many problems, he will need to open the first envelope. A few years later, when it becomes obvious that a fundamental improvement in the situation has not been achieved, he will open the second envelope, and it will help him retain his position for several more years. Well, when it becomes obvious that there has been no improvement, the time will come to open the third envelope.
    While busy with his business, the new manager forgot about the envelopes. But when it became obvious that things were going badly, he remembered them and opened the first envelope. There was a note in it with the words “Blame it all on the predecessor" Indeed, the young manager began to tell how his departed colleague started things up, but now everything will be new, and things will go uphill. His words were met with applause, and for several years it seemed that things were getting much better.
    But several years passed, new problems were added to the old ones, and subordinates began to look askance at their current leader. There was nothing to do, I had to open the second envelope. "Promise anything!- was written on a piece of paper. And the new leader began to promise more and more bright prospects, and again he managed to stay in the chair for several years.
    But things went from bad to worse. Subordinates began to openly express dissatisfaction with the leader’s wisdom, complaints flew to the top, and they began to pester him with inspections and commissions. And I had to open the third envelope. It was written there: "Prepare three envelopes!""
    1. 0
      14 May 2024 12: 49
      “From the point of view of the system of “checks and balances”, one can immediately call such a position “heir” or “Napoleon”. IMHO, therefore this option is unlikely.”

      Well why? Nothing lasts forever under the moon, the transit of power is inevitable - everyone wants to at least survive. As a rule, this is the main goal - to survive.
  31. +8
    14 May 2024 10: 44
    Serdyukov, Shoigu, Prigozhin, General Armageddon, and Kadyrov with his “70 thousand selected Chechen soldiers” were praised in much the same way...
    And where are they now?
    1. 0
      14 May 2024 12: 09
      Serdyukov, Shoigu, Prigozhin, General Armageddon, and Kadyrov with his “70 thousand selected Chechen soldiers” were praised in much the same way...
      And where are they now?

      + 10000!!!
  32. +3
    14 May 2024 10: 50
    The first and most important reason is that significant money will finally go to the Army. According to Dmitry Peskov, the level of spending will be up to 7,4 percent of GDP

    Super! It would be nice to invest at least 5% of GDP in medicine. Otherwise, the new Minister of Defense said that it is necessary to assign military personnel to civilian clinics. This is certainly wonderful. But it is often not possible at all to get any help at all in a clinic under the compulsory medical insurance system. It's exactly the same with hospitals.
    We also need to add funding to the education system.
    which is comparable to the indicators of the 80s of the last century.

    Well, we all remember very well how the 80s of the last century ended...
    1. -3
      14 May 2024 12: 51
      But it is often not possible at all to get any help at all in a clinic under the compulsory medical insurance system.

      Alexander, I’m completely confused, where do you live, in the Russian Federation or Israel?
      1. +4
        14 May 2024 13: 05
        Quote: bk316
        Alexander, I’m completely confused, where do you live, in the Russian Federation or Israel?

        Is it also bad with medical care in Israel? So in St. Petersburg... It is very difficult to get an appointment with a specialist. Queues for months. Many clinics simply do not have the necessary specialists; they refer them to other areas for appointments.
        A few years ago, my child and I went by ambulance to Rauchfus, to the maxillofacial department. It was urgently necessary to remove a baby tooth, because... flux has formed underneath it. So there are no free places. They offered to lie down in the corridor. And there was a place in the paid ward...
        So, what is there in Israel? Is everything “good”?
        1. 0
          14 May 2024 13: 56
          It’s interesting that in Irkutsk we have no problems with children’s hospitals at all, or rather, everything was resolved over the last five years, several hospitals were rebuilt. The queue is a week maximum.
          I have five children in my arms, so I constantly encounter them.
          1. +5
            14 May 2024 14: 00
            Since Soviet times, we have had a children's infectious diseases hospital in the Kronstadt district of St. Petersburg. About 10 years ago it was closed. They are not going to open it, although the buildings are empty. According to LO the same parsley. Everyone is being taken to St. Petersburg...
            In general, underfunding of medicine is a recognized fact. Suddenly it became clear that the country was short of 150-200 thousand doctors. The compulsory medical insurance system has killed medicine.
            1. 0
              15 May 2024 09: 06
              What does compulsory medical insurance and the shortage of doctors have to do with it? doctors go to private clinics, which already outnumber public clinics, why? so the salary there is 2-3 times more
              1. +1
                15 May 2024 11: 10
                Quote: Nastia Makarova
                What does compulsory medical insurance and the shortage of doctors have to do with it? doctors go to private clinics, which already outnumber public clinics, why? so the salary there is 2-3 times more

                laughing Thank you for confirming my words))) Doctors go to places where the salary is higher, and so there is a shortage of doctors in the regions in the state. clinics. In MSC, for example, everything is fine with this. But for some reason you haven’t thought about WHY private clinics are multiplying? Yes, because in the state you DO NOT RECEIVE medical care under the compulsory medical insurance policy. And every public clinic also operates in PRIVATE mode, i.e. on a paid basis.
                1. 0
                  15 May 2024 11: 17
                  private ones are multiplying because there is a need for it, people go to paid ones not only because you don’t get regular treatment, someone doesn’t want to hang around in line, someone thinks that the treatment there is better (in most cases this is not the case), so what does that have to do with it? Compulsory medical insurance? raise your salary? perhaps this will correct the situation, for example, we have the latest equipment in hospitals but there are no specialists
                  1. 0
                    15 May 2024 12: 34
                    Quote: Nastia Makarova
                    people go to the paid ones not only because you don’t get regular treatment, some don’t want to hang around in line, some think that the treatment there is better (in most cases this is not the case), so what does compulsory medical insurance have to do with it?

                    So the queues are also due to the lack of specialists! Compulsory medical insurance is here despite the fact that for less money, they want to serve more people. This directly affects the quality of services, including queues. Treatment is better where specialists are paid more.
                    Quote: Nastia Makarova
                    perhaps this will correct the situation, for example, we have the latest equipment in hospitals but there are no specialists

                    Specialists in the state There are not enough clinics in the regions for two reasons.
                    1. Specialists go where they pay more. And these are two or three regions in the country, and private clinics.
                    2. Small number of medical graduates. Universities. There are few of them because the profession of a doctor is not particularly attractive today, again due to the low salary. It’s easier to study for 4 years as an IT specialist and get many times more than to study for 6 years and get so-so.
                    So in the end, there is only one reason - lack of money for medicine in the country. The compulsory medical insurance system is, in principle, designed to make money. This is, first of all, an insurance company that tries in every way to give you the minimum in case of an insured event. Public health comes last here...
                    1. 0
                      15 May 2024 13: 20
                      "
                      Compulsory medical insurance is here despite the fact that for less money, they want to serve more people. This directly affects the quality of services, including queues. Treatment is better where specialists are paid more."

                      So this is easy to fix, raise prices for services in the tariff agreement

                      “There are not enough specialists in state clinics in the regions for two reasons.
                      1. Specialists go where they pay more. And these are two or three regions in the country, and private clinics.
                      2. Small number of medical graduates. Universities. There are few of them because the profession of a doctor is not particularly attractive today, again due to the low salary. It’s easier to study for 4 years as an IT specialist and get many times more than to study for 6 years and get so-so.
                      So in the end, there is only one reason - lack of money for medicine in the country. The compulsory medical insurance system is, in principle, designed to make money. This is, first of all, an insurance company that tries in every way to give you the minimum in case of an insured event. Public health comes last here..."

                      1. this is undeniable in any profession
                      2. well, I wouldn’t say that few people go to medical universities, they just go mainly to financial specialties
                      3. well, in other countries the insurance system works quite well, and of course the insurance companies want to earn more money, it’s still a business
                      1. 0
                        15 May 2024 13: 28
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        So this is easy to fix, raise prices for services in the tariff agreement

                        Where does Zin's money come from? (With)
                        Now compulsory health insurance is financed from the payroll (payroll fund) of the working population and from the federal budget. And these cash flows are controlled by the insurance company, which exists at the expense of the same money. Moreover, the more fines they impose on medical institutions, the more they will get into their pocket. The question is, WHY are they needed at all, these insurance companies?
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        well, in other countries the insurance system works quite well, and of course the insurance companies want to earn more, it’s a business after all

                        All developed countries, with the exception of Israel, have already abandoned the compulsory medical insurance system and switched to federal funding and management, as was the case in the USSR.
                        Now, read it carefully, everything is well explained here.
                        https://www.fontanka.ru/2024/05/08/73552343/
                      2. 0
                        15 May 2024 13: 34
                        no, that’s not true, insurance companies pay for the treatment of the patient out of their own pockets, and receive money at a per capita rate for each resident of a given region, and fines for hospitals are taken from the treatment already paid for, the fines themselves are a small percentage of the income of the insurance companies
                      3. 0
                        15 May 2024 13: 43
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        no, that’s not true, insurance companies pay for the patient’s treatment out of their own pockets, and receive money at a per capita rate for each resident of a given region

                        Did you read the article that I posted?
                        Mandatory health insurance funds are generated from insurance premiums, interbudgetary transfers and other additional sources, such as arrears and fines on contributions.
                        Insurance premiums. Contributions come from employers for workers, from regional governments for the unemployed, and from individual entrepreneurs for themselves.

                        https://base.garant.ru/12180688/b5dae26bebf2908c0e8dd3b8a66868fe/
                        Compulsory health insurance funds are formed through:

                        1) income from payment:

                        a) insurance premiums for compulsory health insurance;

                        b) arrears on contributions, tax payments;

                        c) accrued penalties and fines;

                        2) federal budget funds transferred to the budget of the Federal Fund in cases established by federal laws, in terms of compensation for lost income in connection with the establishment of reduced rates of insurance premiums for compulsory health insurance;

                        3) funds from the budgets of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, transferred to the budgets of territorial funds in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation and the legislation of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation;

                        4) income from the placement of temporarily available funds;

                        5) other sources provided for by the legislation of the Russian Federation.
                      4. 0
                        15 May 2024 13: 55
                        I scrolled through the article, the article is against the compulsory medical insurance system and it doesn’t describe how compulsory medical insurance works
                        We don’t discuss where the funds for compulsory medical insurance come from, I’m talking about how compulsory medical insurance works, here’s an example, in some region there are 5 million insured people, and to simplify everything in one company, 5 thousand are allocated for each person per year (this is per capita ) then the insurance company receives 25 lard per year and from this money pays for the treatment of citizens in medical institutions (the less they get sick, the more profitable the insurance company is) then, after paying for the treatment, it can, when inspecting the medical institution, return part of the money in the form of fines
                      5. 0
                        15 May 2024 14: 31
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        I’m talking about how compulsory health insurance works, here’s an example, in some region there are 5 million insured people living and, to simplify things, they are all in one company, each person is allocated 5 thousand per year (this is per capita income), then the insurance company receives 25 lard per year and from this money pays for the treatment of citizens to medical institutions (the less they get sick, the more profitable the insurance company is), then after paying for the treatment, when inspecting the medical institution, it can return part of the money in the form of fines

                        Where do you get this from? I gave you a quote above on how the MHIF budget is formed. The two main items are insurance premiums, i.e. deductions from the payroll of those working in the region, the second is a subsidy from REGIONAL authorities (not federal, as I first wrote). WHY did you get the idea that XX thousand rubles a year are allocated (where is it allocated from?) for each citizen registered in the region?
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        I looked at the article, the article is against the compulsory medical insurance system and it doesn’t describe how compulsory medical insurance works

                        Everything is described there!
                        Then the question arose: where would the money come from to increase the wages of medical workers in accordance with the May presidential decrees? And they couldn’t find anything better than to say that reserves should be sought in the health care system itself. In other words, it is necessary to reduce supposedly ineffective expenses and increase paid medical services. And this despite the fact that our healthcare was already underfunded - for many years we spent about 3% of GDP from government sources
                        The result of this mediocre optimization: over 7 years, the number of doctors in the country decreased by 46 thousand, the number of inpatient beds - by 160 thousand.
                        There are other sins on the conscience of optimizers: the abolition of the tariff scale and the introduction of a system of incentive payments to medical workers, lobbying for the connection of the compulsory medical insurance and voluntary medical insurance systems, the participation of patients in paying for medical care, relying on the family practice doctor as a panacea for saving Russian healthcare.

                        In the compulsory health insurance model, there are fixed contributions, which are paid by employers for working citizens, and by regions for non-working citizens (children and pensioners). In the budget model, money for free healthcare is allocated from the federal budget (sometimes regional budgets), that is, from the general taxation system. But, as I already said, the budget model is simpler and less expensive, which is why in many European countries healthcare has been transferred from the compulsory medical insurance system mainly to the budget. These are Denmark, Finland, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Norway, Portugal, Spain and Sweden. Only Israel switched from the budget financing system to compulsory medical insurance.

                        Etc... Read more carefully, don’t scroll through)))
                      6. 0
                        15 May 2024 14: 47
                        I repeat, we don’t need where the MHIF budget comes from, we are talking about where the insurance company gets the money and where the medical institution comes from))))
                        Each region has its own per capita allowance and is paid from the budget for each resident!!!!
                      7. 0
                        15 May 2024 14: 57
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        I repeat, we don’t need where the MHIF budget comes from

                        I mean, how is it? This is why everything is dancing))) The insurance company takes money from the Compulsory Medical Insurance Fund and pays it to medical institutions, according to reports on the work done.
                      8. 0
                        15 May 2024 15: 00
                        so I wrote 2 posts about this scheme))))))) everything is correct
                        you agreed with me
                      9. 0
                        15 May 2024 15: 15
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        all right
                        you agreed with me

                        But I still don't understand what it means:
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        Each region has its own per capita allowance and is paid from the budget for each resident!!!!

                        What kind of shower? There is a content for the Compulsory Medical Insurance Fund. There is clinic N, roughly speaking, how many patients are served there, the insurance company will transfer that much money to it. Each type of medical care under compulsory medical insurance has its own limits and even standards that differ very, very much from the “golden” ones. Like in that joke:
                        A man comes to the doctor with a nail in his head. Doctor:
                        - What, pull it out?
                        - Yes…
                        - You have 10 thousand...
                        - But I have a policy!?
                        “According to the policy, we can only bend it for you so that it doesn’t interfere.”
                        .
                        But the worst thing is that according to this system, if the clinic does not accept XX patients for the XX period, then it is considered unprofitable and closes...
                      10. 0
                        15 May 2024 15: 21
                        “What kind of shower? There is a filling of the Compulsory Medical Insurance Fund. There is a clinic N, roughly speaking, how many patients are served there, the insurance company will transfer so much money to it.”
                        no, it’s a little wrong, per capita it means how much the insurance company insured so much for each and they will give it to her and she will pay to hospitals only for her insured

                        and as for gold treatment, usually these high-tech operations are paid directly from the federal budget and not the regional one
                      11. 0
                        15 May 2024 15: 56
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        no, it’s a little wrong, per capita it means how much the insurance company insured so much for each and they will give it to her and she will pay to hospitals only for her insured

                        And only up to a certain limit.
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        and about gold treatment, these are usually high-tech operations

                        This applies to ABSOLUTELY everything. From ARVI to neurosurgery. Minimum service. From the latest examples. A friend has a compression fracture of the spine. According to compulsory medical insurance, the operation is only with a scalpel, with rehabilitation for half a year. For 100 rub. laparoscopy, with rehabilitation for a month. This is just a high-tech operation, yes, yes.
                        With ARVI, compulsory medical insurance does not provide referrals for tests or FLG...
                        In the local district clinic you cannot get an appointment with an ophthalmologist, neurologist, or endocrinologist at all. For the first two, the queue is scheduled for 2 months. forward, the last one is out of stock at all.
                      12. 0
                        16 May 2024 08: 06
                        The hospital received 100 thousand for the operation, but the fact that they were negligent then the hospital will have to deal with it
                      13. 0
                        16 May 2024 09: 17
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        The hospital received 100 thousand for the operation, but the fact that they were negligent then the hospital will have to deal with it

                        What does negligence have to do with it if, according to compulsory medical insurance, the standard of treatment for such a fracture is only with the old surgical method. A new laparoscopic method, the compulsory medical insurance policy does not cover it. This is a system, not negligence. Moreover, my friend herself works in the healthcare system, so she perfectly understands where negligence is and where it is not.
                      14. 0
                        16 May 2024 10: 26
                        I understand what you mean, also with prosthetics, we can supply Russian ones or we can import imported ones, but for a fee, and this is spelled out in the laws, this is not their wish, but we offer you free with a scalpel, if you don’t want to go for a fee, and this is according to the law
                      15. +1
                        16 May 2024 10: 48
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        and this is by law

                        So who can argue? All compulsory medical insurance is according to the law. And the quality is below par, also according to the law. It just doesn't make it any easier...
                      16. +1
                        16 May 2024 11: 19
                        we all believe that one day we will wake up and see positive changes, all the best to you
        2. -1
          14 May 2024 16: 19
          So, what is there in Israel? Is everything “good”?

          I don’t know what’s happening in Israel, but I’m in Moscow.
          I just returned from the clinic right now.
          They will do arthroscopy of the knee joint.
          Compulsory medical insurance software.
          For the last 15 years I have not had ANY problems getting to a specialist.
          From an oncologist to a dentist, from a proctologist to a rheumatologist, from a urologist to a cardiologist.
          Do we live in different countries?
          1. +4
            14 May 2024 17: 26
            "We live in different countries?"

            Depending on the sense, Moscow is not quite Russia.

            Me, alas. I’m not young and sometimes I have to see doctors. Doctors still have to pay, only paid ones - officially, and free ones - out of pocket. The easiest way to get a quota for free treatment is to pay money; without money you need money, and that’s not enough for everything.

            In principle, I don’t go to a free dentist, so I saved some of my teeth. If I had realized this earlier, there would have been more teeth.

            Perhaps this is our Voronezh that is particularly corrupt, I don’t know.
          2. Alf
            +3
            14 May 2024 19: 15
            Quote: bk316
            I'm in Moscow.

            And you take a look at Russia.
            1. +1
              14 May 2024 20: 47

              And you take a look at Russia.

              Well, in Russia it’s something like this...
              If anyone is interested in what is wrong with our medicine and how to fix it, there is a good article -
              https://www.fontanka.ru/2024/05/08/73552343/

              Back to USSR. To make medicine accessible, the “market” must be removed from healthcare.
          3. +1
            14 May 2024 20: 38

            I'm in Moscow.

            laughing
            Still would!!! If in Moscow a doctor’s salary is 2-3 times higher than that of a doctor with exactly the same qualifications, but in, for example, Omsk.
            Hmmm, is there really life beyond the Moscow Ring Road?
      2. +4
        14 May 2024 14: 34
        Moscow, GP No. 36, on March 5, while undergoing medical examination, I asked the therapist for a referral for gastroscopy. Today is May 14th and I am still waiting for an answer. And yet, yes, a very interesting question indeed, but what about this issue in Israel? I’m just afraid to ask about Uryupinsk
        1. +2
          14 May 2024 14: 58
          This is great in Israel. An acquaintance served there in the UN mission. I received a referral for consultation immediately. For just $600. Okay, that was included in the insurance.
          1. +4
            14 May 2024 15: 25
            Well, in Moscow, for $600, they’ll kiss your ass and present you with an order “for courage”
          2. 0
            14 May 2024 16: 21
            For just $600.

            In Moscow, for $600, they will do a gastroscopy and colonoscopy under anesthesia.
            And they'll kiss your ass.

            Moreover, for 200 bucks a gastroscopy will be performed by a doctor of sciences, to whom Israelis go to study.
          3. 0
            14 May 2024 20: 42

            This is great in Israel. An acquaintance served there in the UN mission. I received a referral for consultation immediately. For just $600. Okay, that was included in the insurance.

            Key word, insurance. So, Israel also has a compulsory medical insurance system. Those. All citizens have insurance. This is the only place where this system works.
  33. 0
    14 May 2024 10: 52
    What to expect from the new Minister? It's too early to talk about this yet.
    And in my opinion, we will soon find out that at the end of May Russia must sign a pandemic agreement with WHO, and if the government signs it, then what kind of confrontation with NATO can we talk about, then we will all unanimously renounce our sovereignty and build a New World Order, together with NATO, with which we are now at war (well, not with Ukraine).
  34. +3
    14 May 2024 10: 53
    It’s interesting, of course, “the women are dancing, hardly four at a time”...
    We open, see the official media. What we have in the bottom line:
    1. Among the senior command staff of the Ministry of Defense they could NOT find a military specialist who graduated from all conceivable and inconceivable academies with scientific titles, who could understand where the money for shells, guns, planes, ships comes from. Let us suppose. It happens... We conducted, like, “a hundred” interviews and it turned out that “alas, no such thing.” Quite a common situation.

    Let's look further at all sorts of proclamations from the Zhurs in the official media:...
    2. The new Minister of Defense, it turns out, due to the specifics of his knowledge, skills and experience (objectively - considerable) will NOT be involved in... DEFENSE! Finance for DEFENSE - YES. But there is no defense for the availability of FINANCE yet. This functionality has been transferred to the area of ​​responsibility of the Commander-in-Chief and the General Staff.

    In other words, for example, serious military men come to the Minister with a project of expenses for a new “tank” (conditionally), with other documents, and begin to talk about all sorts of performance characteristics with advantages. In response, a legitimate dialogue may (or may NOT) take place:
    - How much does it cost?
    -A lot, but just look at the performance characteristics! THIS IS A SONG!!!!!!
    -Lap-hop?!?!?!?!?! No, not convinced, no money. Invent another tank/plane/helicopter/ship/submarine/missile. But cheaper. Next!

    -Hello! We are planning an operation (or an exercise, for example), we need your signature on the Orders for the armies.
    -You know..., this is the thing... And what is there, by the way, in the orders? Is it expensive?
    -Orders to attack. To attack, that is, to go, for the personnel... Well, we need your signature. But this is purely formal. The General Staff has already planned everything. It will be fine!
    ........
    I keep fantasizing that this is why He is the Minister of Defense, to understand all the issues. A plus is to have smart deputies, including in economics, and in the military-industrial complex, etc., etc.

    3. What was surprising: the mantras about the fact that the New Minister “has not acquired unnecessary connections.” Unlike the current and current generals. In other words, “with connections is bad, without connections is good.” I don’t even want to think about the reasons for such an evaluation category.
  35. +1
    14 May 2024 12: 01
    Gref and I once walked through the bins)))) both were satisfied. Although there is no difference between Belousov and Gref. They could have appointed the latter)))
    1. +2
      14 May 2024 12: 12
      differences between Belousov and Gref. They could have appointed the latter

      Gref is smart, why does he need to shine in the state. authorities, the money of the main bank is in his pocket, there are no sanctions on him, he will continue to digitally transform Russians and prompt them to engage in credit and digital slavery....
      1. -4
        14 May 2024 12: 32
        Gref is smart, why does he need to shine in the state. organs

        So it was in government agencies that he worked as the Minister of Economic Development. laughing
        Are you Ukrainian or what?
        1. +1
          14 May 2024 12: 43
          he just worked in government agencies

          worked, got a state bank and now has been running it happily for 15 years... p.s. You better ask when Sberbank came to Crimea!
          1. -5
            14 May 2024 12: 50
            worked, got a state bank and now happily manages it for 15 years

            Well, before that, he had been working in government agencies for 10 years.
            And he is smart, according to you.
            So why the hell did you write?

            Gref is smart, why does he need to shine in the state. organs

            Then it glows. To live happily ever after.
            This is your own logic.

            Or do you have no logic, are you just babbling?
            1. 0
              14 May 2024 12: 51
              Then it glows. To live happily ever after.
              This is your own logic.
              Or do you have no logic, are you just babbling?

              I'm just babbling, and you're smart - you're at work!
              p.s. Why are you defending G.O.Ga like that?
              1. -6
                14 May 2024 12: 58
                p.s. Why are you defending G.O.Ga like that?

                Am I protecting? Where did you get it? I have a very negative attitude towards him.
                I just see that you are talking nonsense without any logic, so I point this out.
                And yes, it's because I'm smart. I am not GREF.
                There is no need to act like an idiot, for the reason that Gref is immoral and in some places unprofessional.
  36. -3
    14 May 2024 12: 26
    Somehow, Removich and I studied next to each other all the time, either in the neighboring FMS, or in the same building at Moscow State University. laughing
    Most likely, we even attended one special course.
    But seriously, the point is not that he can stop bribes, many people can.
    The point is to spend money efficiently, and this is much more difficult.
    1. +1
      14 May 2024 14: 53
      Not only many people can stop bribes, but no one at all.
  37. +5
    14 May 2024 14: 51
    All defense ministers of the Russian Federation were appointed with the same wording - improve, strengthen, optimize, develop, reform. It also ended, plus or minus, the same way. Only two years of active hostilities began to transform the Armed Forces into an army. And this is reform from below, not from above. And its price is measured not as a percentage of GDP, but in human lives.
  38. +4
    14 May 2024 15: 08
    . We are fighters in the most active sectors of the front. We need technical means to more effectively carry out combat missions:

    ▪️Mavic 3 *10pcs 2.000.000₽
    ▪️Matrice 30T *1 piece 700.000₽
    ▪️Starlink *2 pieces 400.000₽
    ▪️3D printer *10pcs 340.000₽
    ▪️Plastic 100.000₽
    ▪️Jamers for the electronic warfare complex *10pcs 100.000₽
    ▪️Niva 3 door *2 pieces 800.000₽
    ▪️UAZ pickup *1 piece 800.000₽
    ▪️ATV *1 piece 600.000₽
    ▪️Laptop *1 piece 110.000₽
    ▪️Digital image transmission system *1 piece 32.538₽
    ▪️Autopilot *2 pieces 231.532₽
    ▪️Flight controller *2 pieces 33.012₽
    ▪️Portable ground station *1 piece 153.487₽
    ▪️Camera *2 pieces 222.224₽
    ▪️Soldering station *2 pcs 30.000₽
    ▪️Charger *1 piece 52.770₽
    ▪️Incubator 2.0 *1 piece 160.000₽
    ▪️Set of keys *1 piece 15.000₽
    ▪️Impact wrench *1 piece 10.000₽
    ▪️Crawler platform *1 piece 410.000₽
    ▪️Spare parts for UAZ 30.000₽
    ▪️Arkon LT35 *1 piece 130.000₽
    Let's find cheaper prices - buy cheaper and buy more.

    Total needed: 7.460.563₽


    And they will collect it!
    The people will gather. Ordinary citizens and small entrepreneurs. Because the North Military District became an economic part of the people due to the fact that the former Minister of Defense, with his brain stuck in the last war, did not understand that he was facing military actions of a new generation, and showed his complete incompetence.
    Who determines the goal setting of the SVO? The president! He is the Supreme Commander. Commander-in-Chief.
    Who realizes the goals of the Commander-in-Chief by setting tasks for combat units? General Staff!
    Who supplies the army with everything necessary for the successful completion of combat missions at the front and for the functioning of non-front army units and military camps? Minister of Defense!
    And when Uncle Zhenya shouted “Shoigu, where are the shells!”, he went straight to the address. And not to Putin and Gerasimov. For it was Shoigu’s task - to supply the army with everything not just necessary, but necessary in accordance with the dictates of the time, that is, with everything most modern. And such collections as I cited above, several of them are published daily on various military telegrams and mean a cry - “Shoigu, where are the Maviks, UAZs, computers?!? The digital image transmission system - where?!?...”
    Not keeping up with the times means being late to hand out victory. What seemed just a couple of years ago as a completely unnecessary intelligence extravagance, a kind of military foppery, has become a massively effective weapon. Where are our clouds of inexpensive drones, Shoigu? Those that cost a maximum of $100 apiece? The kind that are riveted by front-line and civilian craftsmen in sheds and garages, and also purchased on Ali - where are they? A year ago, Andrei Removich Belousov reported to the President that our industrial production provides only 30% of the North Military District’s need for such drones, and the motor for them is 100% imported! And this is in a situation of generally recognized effectiveness of weapons of this type...

    I paid attention to Belousov back in 2019, when he, in the rank of presidential adviser, made an angry denunciation of the unsuitable credit policy of our banking system, and here, on the VO website, I published my opinion on this matter. Having become interested in Belousov’s personality, I learned that at one time his father presented a project for the Economic Council, but the project was rejected and the subsequently failed project of Lieberman from Kharkov was accepted. And who knows what the fate of the Union would have been like if the Belousov project had been adopted. And one of the aspects of Rem Belousov’s scientific activity was precisely military economics, its history, starting from ancient times, and it is difficult to admit that Andrei Belousov was not in the subject of his father’s scientific research. And is this why the subject of Andrei Belousov’s scientific activity was the economics of cybernetics as a potentially advanced branch of military production?
    Therefore, there is no need to say here that Belousov is not a military man, which means he is a nobody in matters of armaments and military affairs. His assistants, the military, will give advice where necessary. In this case, it is necessary to take into account the peculiarity of the scientific mindset, expressed in the ability to grasp everything on the fly, generalize, draw the right conclusions and act accordingly and decisively.
    In 2020, here on the site, I supported the nomination of Andrei Removich Belousov to the position of Deputy Prime Minister and congratulated him. I support “Rembovich”, as his military officers have already nicknamed him, even now. The bedbugs must be cleaned out, the rags burned, and what cannot be burned must be taken to the dustbin of history.
    1. +1
      15 May 2024 21: 21
      YES, holy simplicity, the military suggested a lot of things, but Serdyukov is still raking and can’t clear it, it’s trivial that there are not enough platoon, company level officers and not only because there is a war going on, there are simply not enough of them in military schools, there are not so many of them, the schools have been reduced - optimized, in general, you can list the help of the military for a long time. But why, Belousov’s position will be overseeing the distribution of gigantic cash flows and this is the most important thing, the only question is why make him the Minister of Defense, they would come up with a position for him in the rank of Deputy Prime Minister and let him work for victory.
  39. +2
    14 May 2024 15: 52
    Gigantic? Yes, they didn’t even reach half of the army
  40. +4
    14 May 2024 15: 54
    The first and most important reason is that significant money will finally go to the Army. According to Dmitry Peskov, the level of spending will be up to 7,4 percent of GDP

    The question is, at the expense of what, again, science, medicine and social services? I’m asking myself, as a public sector employee in the educational sector, what should I expect - a salary freeze, a salary reduction, or optimization?
  41. RMT
    +4
    14 May 2024 15: 54
    "served as director of the economics department of the Russian government. He worked in a team with Igor Shuvalov and Elvira Nabiullina, where he built the economic agenda of the state for the years ahead..."
    The agenda is complete, let's enjoy it to the fullest.
  42. +1
    14 May 2024 16: 11
    But it seems to me that such a purpose is a message to the West:
    1. 0
      14 May 2024 17: 40
      message to the West

      The message to the West is the reassignment of Kraptsov, Silyanov, Mynturov, Gulikova and this message - “what else do you want?”
      1. 0
        15 May 2024 07: 43
        Usually everything comes down to “messages” and “signals”, just like in an action movie about spies: “.. they did something here, and the audience will find out why at the end of the film, but for now you can guess for yourself.”

        The Minister of Defense - a representative of the financial bloc of the government, not connected with the army by any relations other than financial ones, and who does not know from which end the gun is loaded - is an extremely successful choice..... As the saying goes: “if I were a spy. ....."
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  44. +2
    14 May 2024 18: 57
    “It is impossible to say that Vladimir Putin’s closest ally Shoigu was removed because of a stealthy deputy.”
    If so, that's sad. Shoigu has known Ivanov for many years, at least since the time they worked together in the government of the Moscow region. It is impossible not to know and not understand that your deputy is a thief. Judging by the photos from the network, everyone is there (Ivanov, Peskov, etc. at friendly gatherings in some kind of hunting lodge). If a police officer fires a superior for a subordinate’s offense, then a similar principle should apply here too. Moreover, another bribe-taker appeared - the chief personnel officer of the Moscow Region.
    1. 0
      15 May 2024 20: 43
      Something tells our hearts that we will soon hear something about military officials and financiers from the Ministry of Defense, or we won’t hear, they will quietly resign. We are watching the continuation of a fascinating western called Cutting the budget of the Ministry of Defense. It’s really strange that a military personnel officer finds 100 million under his pillow rubles, and military pensioners are told that there is no money to pay their pension in full without a reduction factor... stealing millions from them.
  45. +1
    14 May 2024 19: 41
    However, they steal.

    Financial intelligence reported a surge in dubious transactions in the defense industry
    Last year, law enforcement officers received more than 2 thousand materials about possible violations of the state defense order, Rosfinmonitoring reported. With the assistance of financial intelligence, contracts worth 6 billion rubles were terminated.

    Shoigu worked hard.
    The amount of contracts terminated as a result of investigations jumped more than six times compared to 2022 - from RUB 890 million. up to 6 billion rubles, follows from Rosfinmonitoring data.

    Information from Rosfinmonitoring concerned more than 50 thousand companies. Based on these data, 180 criminal cases were initiated. It is unclear how the number of initiated cases has changed - in the report for 2022, the service did not disclose absolute values, indicating only that the number of such cases jumped by 31% over the year.
  46. 0
    15 May 2024 04: 13
    And you friends, no matter how you sit down, you’re still not fit to be musicians...
  47. 0
    15 May 2024 10: 22
    I hope that the deputies of the Ministry of Defense and the heads of departments will replace the Latin “supervises” (very similar to the Russian “smokes”) with “responsible” with specific gingerbread and a scaffold with axes.
    And while “the clerks are smoking incense... everything is wrong, everything is not as it should be.”
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  49. 0
    15 May 2024 20: 34
    Nothing good will come from this appointment for the army. It’s strange why they keep experimenting on our long-suffering and heroic armed forces. Serdyukov, an effective manager, you read the newspaper releases of that time, was also appointed to liquidate non-core assets of the armed forces, such as training grounds, real estate , lands, property and so on, he completely bent the command of the armed forces from Makarov to the commander-in-chief and the devil misled him, he was caught in a banal theft with his madam, nothing resembles the truth. There is no need to build any illusions in relation to this official, his function is that of an overseer for the cash flows that will soon fall on our defense industry and, accordingly, on the armed forces. After all, something needs to be done with the war in Ukraine, either put up with it or fight to the bitter end. The team of the former minister turned out to be weak in this matter and unreliable. That’s all.
  50. 0
    15 May 2024 21: 03
    Quote: Hikaro
    When Brezhnev appointed civilian D F Ustinov as the new Minister of Defense of the USSR, this also caused irritation in the army, mainly among the generals!! Even Varennikov wrote about Ustinov in his memoirs, saying he fell asleep during Ogarkov’s reports!! But in fact, it was Ustinov’s appointment that gave impetus to the development of new weapons of the Soviet Army!! It was under him that much of what is still used in the Russian army was created, and a major foundation was made for the future, which saved Russia in the 90s. I don’t even mention the nuclear missile trap anymore, so it’s clear! Of course, it is not correct to compare Belousov and Ustinov, but the very meaning of his appointment to this position becomes more clear! Under the USSR, there was also a steady increase in army funding, and therefore Ustinov’s appointment was more timely than ever! Knowing the military-industrial complex thoroughly, he managed this funding well. But he also made mistakes, the example of Chelomey and the Caspian monster! Therefore, we will see how Belousov does it!
    1. 0
      15 May 2024 21: 08
      And the most important contribution of DF Ustinov was the introduction of troops into Afghanistan, which he lobbied with some Politburo figures, I hope there is no need to remind how it all ended for the country. The army under him fell into stagnation, and very deep, he was an excellent minister in terms of weapons but a mediocre defense minister. This is where the roots of 1991 come from.
  51. 0
    16 May 2024 22: 42
    And who said that the new Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Belousov is dangerous? He just took office...
  52. 0
    Yesterday, 19: 55
    Attempt number 2, the previous one was Serdyukov, if you haven’t forgotten, we’ll wait and see! lol