Cold steel from the museum

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Cold steel from the museum
An image of a dragon on the blade of a Dao saber from the collection of the Penza Regional Museum of Local Lore. Author's photo


MOVING FROM HALL TO HALL,
PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE...

S. Mikhalkov. “In the Museum of V.I. Lenin”

Weapon with my own eyes. Not only in the Lenin Museum do people move, moving from hall to hall, but in every other place as well. Unfortunately, not all museums have everything at their disposal available for viewing. For example, in many local museums, recently, a serious obstacle to exhibiting samples of weapons has become the tightening of the rules for their storage and this very display. Its security has been transferred to the local National Guard, and therefore all of it, except for models from the store, must be stored in sealed iron cabinets, behind iron doors and with the alarm switched on.



Well, it can only be exhibited in specially equipped showcases, again with individual alarms, and each such showcase is very, very expensive. That is, displaying weapons in modern provincial museums does not pay off.

It’s too much work and worries, but it doesn’t give you money—and museums are required to earn it, since the museum is now a commercial institution. So museums prefer to exhibit things that the commissions of the Russian Guard no longer consider weapons. For example, a rusted rifle barrel or a PPSh drilled to the limit. That is, there seem to be weapons in the exhibition, but in reality there are none.

So if you have already found yourself... no, not in the weapons room itself, entry is prohibited for outsiders, but in its, so to speak, vestibule, and some samples were brought out for you to “identify” - you should rejoice like a child. Because not everyone is so lucky. I already wrote once that I visited the Penza Regional Museum of Local Lore for the first time in 1961, and it made an amazing impression on me. It’s so amazing that up until the fourth grade I made dioramas at home with primitive people hunting a cave bear and dinosaurs eating each other. I made them from plasticine, but to get the “grass” – moss – I had to go to the forest. For some reason, our “house moss” that grew near the fence in damp places did not suit me.


Something like a coiled dragon...

Among edged weapons, I was greatly impressed by a saber with a blade that widened towards the tip and an image of a dragon embossed on the blade near the hilt. And I must say that in the same 1961, Soyuzmultfilm, based on the fairy tales of Southeast Asia, released the wonderful cartoon “Dragon”, and it just showed a magic sword with which the boy Maung Tin kills a dragon. And this sword was very similar to the one that hung on the wall in the museum, which made a particularly strong impression on me.

But, it’s clear that at that time I was just looking at it, and I didn’t know what it was for a very long time.


And here the dragon is shown in all its glory!

Meanwhile, as it turned out, the museum actually possessed (and possesses!) a very interesting example of edged weapons - the Dao-darn saber (or sword). There are different forms of Chinese national sabers, but the Dao Darn or “plum blossom saber”, which appeared during the Song Dynasty (960-1279), can be said to have become a kind of ideal. Moreover, from that time on, neither the Tao nor the direct Chinese sword Yian underwent significant changes until the XNUMXth century. Moreover, over all these hundreds of years, effective techniques for working with the Tao saber have been developed, so its widespread use is not surprising.


Blade tip

At first glance, this type of bladed weapon seems somewhat... decorative, but this is only at first glance. Dao is very well balanced and has a perfect aerodynamic shape, as a result of which it is a very effective (and spectacular in appearance!) weapon.


The sheath of the museum sword is covered with stingray leather, dyed green.

The Dao has a curved handle reminiscent of an 18th century pistol with a massive metal pommel that can be used to strike effectively with the back of the sword. The hand is protected by a massive brass guard. But the biggest feature of this saber is its blade.

Its back side is made blunt along its entire length. Thanks to this, during certain defensive techniques, you can support the blade with your left hand without the risk of cutting yourself on it. The blade is sharpened differently: in the front near the tip it is sharpest, but the lower part is not so sharp, since it is used to repel blows. But blows with this blade are also delivered differently: cutting blows are used against large muscles (for example, on the chest), but chopping blows are used against bones (for example, a blow to the collarbone). True, the current darn-dao, which is used to practice kung fu techniques, has a thinner blade than ancient examples, and therefore is much lighter than its ancestor - the ancient combat saber. By the way, with a length of 80-85 cm and a blade length of 45-50 cm, the dao could weigh up to 2000 g.


Such an image of a sector wheel is a very ancient and multi-valued thing in its essence. So it didn’t appear here by chance!

Ancient Chinese treatises tell us about the tests that famous swordsmen who mastered all the techniques of working with the Tao were subjected to. First of all, it was necessary to cut a copper rod as thick as a thumb. This required both strength and skill, since it was not easy to deliver such a blow without breaking the blade - you needed both a good saber and the correct execution of the technique needed for this. After this, soldiers armed with pikes and halberds were released on the subjects. And if they had to keep a distance from the fencer, then it was considered that he had passed the test.

In China, the Tao saber is associated with the tiger and they say that “the saber is as wild as a tiger,” implying aggressive techniques for using it in battle. The straight sword yian, on the contrary, is associated among the Chinese with the fabulous phoenix bird, since the techniques of working with it are the embodiment of beauty and precision. To a person who correctly performs all the techniques of working with this sword, it seems simply weightless. That is why, by the way, this sword as a weapon in Chinese legends was most often used by women. In addition, the straight sword, unlike the dao, was also a court sword and therefore richly decorated, because it was usually worn by aristocrats. But the daos were the weapons of ordinary soldiers, so these sabers did not have any special decorations, although they always tried to make them of very high quality.

Let's digress for a moment from museum matters and note that curved blades were characteristic only of the East, and were not used at all in Europe. Here, for example, is an illustration in a manuscript from the Jagiellonian Library, dating back to the first quarter of the 16th century, which depicts a duel with Messer-type blades and Hungarian shields with a spike at the end.


Illustration from the book “Gladiatorium fetchbook”, 1435 Jagiellonian Library, Krakow

Known, for example, in Europe was the kriegmesser (“combat knife”) - the largest examples of which had a blade from 80 cm to about 1,35 m. They fought with similar messers, holding them with both hands by the long handle. So it was a special weapon that was usually owned by professional soldiers of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, such as, for example, landsknechts. The possession of such “knives” is reflected in a number of fencing manuals of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, including the famous “Wallerstein Code”. Albrecht Durer also depicted them in his engravings, that is, the popularity of this type of weapon in his time was quite high!


Illustration from the Wallerstein Codex. Augsburg University Library, Augsburg


One-and-a-half-handed grandmesser from Flanders or Germany, ca. 1500 Royal Arsenal, Leeds


Swiss schnepfer from 1530. Total length 1015 mm. Blade width 38 mm. Weight 1620. Wallace Collection, London

In Switzerland, by the beginning of the 16th century, a two-handed saber also appeared with a slight bend of an almost meter-long blade, with a characteristic handle with side arches and a crosshair, like a sword.

The typical Indian saber cannot be confused with any other. And one such saber is in the collection of the Penza Regional Museum of Local Lore. A wide blade with many ribs and a characteristically shaped metal handle - this is only found in Indian sabers. Moreover, the convex part in the middle part of the handle of our sample is decorated with flutes, and the crosshairs and pommel are decorated with metal carvings.


Indian saber from the collections of the Penza Museum of Local Lore


A very strange mark on the blade of an Indian saber

The second Indian saber (on the right in the photo) was clearly made by a master who was well acquainted with the weapons of the Muslim East. In fact, this is a hybrid - the handle of a Persian shamshir, but the crosshair is clearly Indian. The Persian saber - shamshir - with a characteristic thin and curved blade for powerful cleaving blows, is also in the museum’s collection and is on the left in the photo. It is a purely cutting weapon, the tip of which is practically useless due to the strong curvature of the blade. The handles of the two sabers are very similar, but their crosshairs are different. By the way, this Persian saber is very similar in appearance to the saber of Prince Pozharsky from the collection of the Kremlin Armory, only our crosshair is intact. It is decorated very simply. However, its value lies not in the finishing, but in the blade - it is clearly made of Damascus steel and has a pattern of wavy lines on the surface.


Persian and Indian sabers


Persian saber blade with Damascus steel pattern

In general, there is a lot of interesting things in the museum. All that remains is to wait until this entire weapons collection ends up not in the storerooms, but in his open exhibition!
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  1. 0
    14 May 2024 03: 19
    Known, for example, in Europe was the kriegmesser (“combat knife”) - the largest examples of which had a blade from 80 cm to about 1,35 m. They fought with similar messers, holding them with both hands by the long handle. So it was a special weapon that was usually owned by professional soldiers of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, such as, for example, landsknechts. The possession of such “knives” is reflected in a number of fencing manuals of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, including the famous “Wallerstein Code”. Albrecht Durer also depicted them in his engravings, that is, the popularity of this type of weapon in his time was quite high!

    In the image they are held with one hand.
    1. +2
      14 May 2024 07: 57
      The "knife" in the picture looks more like a falchion.
      1. +5
        14 May 2024 08: 09
        Messers differ from falchions by a one-sided tide at the pommel of the handle. This is clearly visible in the miniature.
        1. +1
          14 May 2024 11: 04
          “Messers differ from falchions in the one-sided tide of the pommel of the handle. This is clearly visible in the miniature.”


          I agree, these are Messers, of course, one can hardly fencing with a falchion.

          As far as I know, the messer is a sword, and the falchion is a knife, that is, it’s only a matter of balancing; as for the pommel, I’m not sure that this is important.
          1. +6
            14 May 2024 11: 07
            As far as I know, Messer is a sword, and falchion is a knife,
            Colleague, everything is exactly the opposite!
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              14 May 2024 12: 03
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              As far as I know, Messer is a sword, and falchion is a knife,
              Colleague, everything is exactly the opposite!


              Well, it's unlikely to be the other way around. Most often, both messers and falchions are classified as swords, but still I didn’t find any articles where messers would be classified as knives, but falchions are sometimes not classified as swords.
              1. +4
                14 May 2024 12: 14
                There is only one difference between the messer and the falchion - the first has a knife-shaped handle. All other differences are located in the legal field of medieval guild statutes and the way they were circumvented.
          2. +1
            14 May 2024 11: 15
            You can hardly fencing with a falchion.

            Anyone can fencing, even with a stick.
            1. 0
              14 May 2024 12: 04
              It depends on what you call fencing. If a weapon has no defensive positions, can it be used for fencing?
              1. +3
                14 May 2024 12: 43
                It depends on what you call fencing. If a weapon has no defensive positions, can it be used for fencing?

                The stick has it. In the absence of a guard, the defense moves in “blocks” of various types. By the way, the prototype of a shield is considered to be a stick.
                1. +4
                  14 May 2024 12: 51
                  In the absence of a guard, the defense moves in “blocks” of various types.
                  Apparently the colleague had not heard of Miyamoto Musashi.
                  1. +3
                    14 May 2024 13: 01
                    Apparently the colleague had not heard of Miyamoto Musashi.

                    What does he have to do with it? Or a conversation about a paddle?
                    Although the Japanese generally have everything original - they called a two-handed saber a sword and don’t worry about it.
                    1. +3
                      14 May 2024 13: 07
                      What does he have to do with it?
                      He's with the bokken. Or a bokken with him.
                      1. +1
                        14 May 2024 13: 11
                        He's with the bokken. Or a bokken with him.

                        A bokken is still a complete copy of a weapon with slightly reduced characteristics due to the use of a different material, rather than a stick. The functionality is practically the same.
                        But when he quickly whittled a bokken out of an oar and beat everyone, that’s closer.
                      2. +4
                        14 May 2024 13: 16
                        Fine. Then you can turn to Alexei Nayderov, who was once a great expert in stakes fencing.
                2. +1
                  14 May 2024 18: 14
                  By the way, the prototype of a shield is considered to be a stick.

                  Actually, it’s a knotty club, and that’s since the ancient man used the central grip of the last one.
  2. + 11
    14 May 2024 05: 07
    Thank you Vyacheslav, the photos are amazing. To be honest, with the latest changes in the rules of the game for exhibiting collectible weapons, museum collections have become impoverished. The most curious thing is that not a single crime has been committed with this type of weapon in 10 years, and everything is simply connected with the expansion of the “food supply” of this department. Cold steel, without the ability to hold it in the hands of visitors or take a photograph, is sometimes basically blasphemy. Recently I accidentally witnessed the owner of a private collection and an operator of the Russian National Guard, who was already squealing that she was being forced to remove and set the alarm three times in two hours. The man calmly and humorously answered that he still had 4 classes of schoolchildren and he could no longer take Clemore away from them. One third-grader’s father and I hooted sadly, agreeing with the owner, since due to the abundance of blades, it was impossible to prevent them from supporting a real weapon. What can I say, my dad and I also had our hands itching, and only age and about two dozen schoolchildren stopped our aspirations. The owner, after talking, sadly complained that previously it was possible to sow an alarm on a working day, but the National Guard began to practice sudden checks. He had to rearrange the work, but he will not take away the opportunity for children to hold the iron. True, after each class you have to clean your weapon, but these are minor things. 2% of his net income.
    Good morning everyone and more good people on the road of life, with respect to Kote!
    1. + 11
      14 May 2024 06: 20
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      He still has 4 classes of schoolchildren and he can’t take Clemore away from them.

      Dear Vladislav! I had a similar situation. They invited me to a meeting in the library to talk about a new book about knights. He said that I would bring the chain mail and I did, or rather brought it by taxi because of its considerable weight. And he spent part of the meeting dressed in it. And then... he invited one child to try it on and make sure that her weight was invisible on her body. And... until the whole class tried it on, it was simply impossible to send the children back to school for the next lesson. “When else will we have such an opportunity!” They spoke.
  3. +4
    14 May 2024 05: 34
    Is the Indian handle even comfortable?
    By the way, a question for Vyacheslav Olegovich: is it also round or oval in cross-section?
    1. +4
      14 May 2024 06: 08
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Is it also round or oval in cross section?

      Round, like the leg of a piano!
      1. +2
        14 May 2024 22: 04
        Quote: kalibr
        Round, like the leg of a piano!

        I am sure that the author had this piano in mind: wink
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          15 May 2024 06: 21
          Quote: Saxahorse
          I am sure

          You can't be sure of anything. I have a different piano.
          1. 0
            15 May 2024 21: 45
            Quote: kalibr
            I have a different piano.

            Your piano is cooler! laughing
            What is disappointing in the article is the absence of a full-length photograph of the “beautiful” Chinese saber. Weapons are not decorated with curlicues.
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              16 May 2024 06: 45
              Quote: Saxahorse
              What is disappointing in the article is the absence of a full-length photograph of the “beautiful” Chinese saber.

              Totally agree with you. But you would know in what conditions I had to shoot. You can't go into the weapons shop. They bring out two samples to me and drag them to the second floor, where I describe them, but it’s inconvenient to remove them. Then down into the room where there is a green cloth on the table. The lighting is bad, naturally. Removing the cloth from the table to the floor is long, difficult and... time, time, time. Everything is done at a pace, since there are a lot of weapons to describe. There’s a shadow here, there’s a glare... So it didn’t come out to full height...
  4. +7
    14 May 2024 05: 36
    Let's digress for a moment from museum matters and note that curved blades were characteristic only of the East, and were not used at all in Europe.
    I wouldn't be so categorical. In the third quarter of the last century, science knew about 250 samples of European sabers from the XNUMXth to XNUMXth centuries; now there are probably more. These are mainly Hungarian sabers.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. +5
      14 May 2024 06: 22
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      I would not be so categorical.

      This is not my opinion, dear Anton. This is what they write. So I wrote to point out that this is an incorrect judgment.
      1. +7
        14 May 2024 06: 33
        I didn't come up with it myself either.

        “According to our estimates, 250 early medieval sabers were found on the territory of Eastern Europe (counting intact and fragments). Their fate is more or less the same. Having lain in the ground for many centuries, these blades were once found, extracted and became the property of science.”

        (Kirpichnikov A.H. The so-called saber of Charlemagne // Soviet Archeology. 1965. No. 2. pp. 268-276.)
        1. +4
          14 May 2024 08: 53
          According to our estimates, 250 early medieval sabers (counting intact and fragments) were found in Eastern Europe.

          These sabers were found in Eastern Europe, but they are Asian. The Magyars appeared in Eastern Europe just at the end of the 9th century. Although, judging by the fact that the oldest Eurasian saber found in Europe, in Romania, dates back to the 7th century, such weapons came to Europe earlier.
          1. +4
            14 May 2024 08: 57
            What about the “saber of Charlemagne”? It is believed to be of Magyar origin, 11th century...
            1. +5
              14 May 2024 09: 10
              What about the “saber of Charlemagne”? It is believed to be of Magyar origin, 11th century...

              It cannot be from the 1000th century. Otto III, if we believe historians, took it from the tomb of Charlemagne in XNUMX. Therefore, it was made earlier, in different sources - XNUMXth - mid-XNUMXth century. There are two versions of how it came to Charlemagne - either as a trophy during his campaigns against the Avars or as a gift from Harun ar-Rashid, the Caliph of Baghdad.
              1. +4
                14 May 2024 09: 16
                Otto III, according to historians, removed it from the grave of Charlemagne in 1000.
                I read that this is a beautiful legend, like the “falchion of the Apostle Peter.”
                1. +4
                  14 May 2024 09: 45
                  In principle, correct. Charles died in 814. That is, he could not wield a saber. That is, the fact of extraction from the grave is most likely a legend.
                  By the way, I found an article by Kirpichnikov about this “saber”. The truth is in German.
                  1. +3
                    14 May 2024 10: 03
                    Personification of medieval European blades is an interesting topic, although quite conspiratorial. I once figured out that out of 6 blades that I remembered, only one can be correlated with a certain degree of confidence with the historical figure to whom it is attributed.
                    Regarding Kirpichnikov, I haven’t read the entire article. When I was looking for materials on medieval European single-bladed weapons, I came across several quotes from this material. Well, I saved it.
        2. +4
          14 May 2024 11: 02
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Kirpichnikov A.H.

          Classic!
        3. +4
          14 May 2024 11: 10
          In 1972-1977 While studying at a university in Historical English, I had Soviet Archeology as a desktop magazine and re-read all of Kirpichnikov’s articles that were there. To this day, when working in our local history museum and library, I come across my bookmarks in magazines of those years, and even with my own notes. So strange, just like “letters from the other world.” And... I always think how I could use all this, given my current experience.
          1. +4
            14 May 2024 11: 16
            ... all the time I think how I could use all this, given my current experience.
            Science does not stand still. New finds, both archaeological and written, are constantly appearing.
            1. +3
              14 May 2024 11: 18
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Science does not stand still.

              It’s clear, but I meant experience in the field of writing. I’m tempted to say: Oh, where are you, my time machine!
  5. +3
    14 May 2024 09: 45
    Thank you so much for the article! You always do it very interesting and informative, I read it in one sitting!!! And yes, the comments under your articles are also very interesting to read, I learn a lot of new things hi
    1. +2
      14 May 2024 11: 03
      Quote: Ilya22558
      I learn a lot

      Me too!!!
  6. +3
    14 May 2024 10: 35
    After this, soldiers armed with pikes and halberds were released on the subjects. And if they had to keep a distance from the fencer, then it was considered that he had passed the test.

    Dear author. If you are already writing about fencing, then you need to understand it at least a little first.
    Those with polearms MUST keep their distance from the swordsman, because if he passes by the tip of a pike or halberd, the spearman or halberdier becomes a corpse as quickly as possible. Their survival is distance. Their job is to shut up the swordsman before he gets close.
    Therefore, either a “spade hedgehog” is made or the polearm is placed in the second row, covered with shields.
    1. +2
      14 May 2024 11: 05
      Quote: Ivan Ivanych Ivanov
      If you are already writing about fencing, then you need to understand it at least a little first.

      Why? I had a text. English translation from Chinese. I translated it very accurately. I need to understand the intricacies of translation, and the rest - please, do it yourselves.
      1. +1
        14 May 2024 11: 39
        I had a text. English translation from Chinese. I translated it very accurately.

        Was it translated from the original source? Chinese?
        1. +2
          14 May 2024 13: 21
          Quote: Ivan Ivanych Ivanov
          English translation from Chinese.
          And what kind of source... God knows. And also from Thomas Laible...
          1. +2
            14 May 2024 13: 27
            So what do you want? How much was lost in translation from Chinese? What field did the specialist translate in? And then as usual - “The naked conductor is running under the floor of the carriage.”
            The interpretation of the meaning of the test has changed exactly the opposite. Or are their halberdiers so perverted that they are happy to fight with a 3-meter pike against a swordsman at arm's length?
            1. +2
              14 May 2024 13: 29
              Quote: Ivan Ivanych Ivanov
              Or are their halberdiers so perverted that they are happy to fight with a 3-meter pike against a swordsman at arm's length?

              I can not answer this question. Check out Laible if you have his book. Page 120. I haven’t heard about 3-meter halberds and haven’t seen them anywhere.
              1. +2
                14 May 2024 15: 13
                Check out Laible if you have his book. Page 120.

                There is, of course, almost a desktop one. You quoted verbatim. But, most likely, it is the inaccurate double translation - “Keep at a distance” - meaning “to be afraid”, “to avoid battle”, etc. and not keep your distance and keep your distance in battle, which just radically changes the meaning.
                3-meter halberds - of course a typo - I wrote about pikes.
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                  14 May 2024 18: 06
                  Quote: Ivan Ivanych Ivanov
                  and not keep your distance and stay at a distance in battle, which just radically changes the meaning.

                  I can’t say anything here.
  7. +1
    14 May 2024 11: 01
    Tao is very well balanced

    Where is its center of gravity located? How close to the handle?
    I read on this site, in my opinion even in the author’s material, that the position of the CG is very important for edged weapons. If the center of gravity is shifted towards the tip, the blow will be stronger, but you will quickly get tired of it. If the CG is closer to the handle, the blow will be weaker, but you will be able to swing longer.
    1. +3
      14 May 2024 11: 18
      Quote: Not the fighter
      The CG will be shifted towards the tip

      To the edge.
    2. +1
      14 May 2024 11: 21
      that the CG position is very important for edged weapons. If the center of gravity is shifted towards the tip, the blow will be stronger, but you will quickly get tired of it. If the CG is closer to the handle, the blow will be weaker, but you will be able to swing longer.

      More than important. It is the difference in balancing that distinguishes, say, a sword from a rapier - and this gives rise to different methods of fencing - just stabbing - with a rapier and stabbing-chopping-cutting - with an epee or saber.
      As for fatigue, you will get less tired with a light saber than with a heavy rapier, although the CG of the rapier is closer to the hilt. So this is not related to the DH.
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      14 May 2024 18: 21
      Quote: Not the fighter
      I read on this site, in my opinion even in the author’s material, that the position of the CG is very important for edged weapons. If the center of gravity is shifted towards the tip, the blow will be stronger, but you will quickly get tired of it. If the CG is closer to the handle, the blow will be weaker, but you will be able to swing longer.
      Very important. If the CG is shifted to the point, then this weapon is designed to slash. The price for this is that the saber pulls your hand behind it; you do not control the saber, but it controls you. I don’t know how people fencing with them. There you need to calculate the situation 3 swings ahead; simply countering the enemy will no longer work. A sword is better: yes, it’s harder to slash with it, but you can stab and it doesn’t interfere with it (although the weight is about the same).
  8. +1
    14 May 2024 11: 13
    But blows with this blade are also delivered differently: cutting blows are used against large muscles (for example, on the chest), but chopping blows are used against bones (for example, a blow to the collarbone).

    Well, also complete amateurism. Fencing, like politics, is “the art of the possible.” Therefore - cutting, chopping, pricking - EVERYTHING you can reach, the main thing is to make a competent exchange. Chopping fingers in exchange for a blow to the head is not worth it, but an unrequited blow to even just one thumb of the chopping hand practically guarantees victory.
    As for the collarbone - it is the most easily broken bone in the body, there is no need to chop there. And chopping on the butt, where bones are hard to find, is no less effective than cutting on the tendons of the limbs, although there are no "large muscles" there.
    1. +2
      14 May 2024 11: 21
      Quote: Ivan Ivanych Ivanov
      But blows with this blade are also delivered differently: cutting blows are used against large muscles (for example, on the chest), but chopping blows are used against bones (for example, a blow to the collarbone).

      Well, also complete amateurism. Fencing, like politics, is “the art of the possible.” Therefore - cutting, chopping, pricking - EVERYTHING you can reach, the main thing is to make a competent exchange. Chopping fingers in exchange for a blow to the head is not worth it, but an unrequited blow to even just one thumb of the chopping hand practically guarantees victory.
      As for the collarbone - it is the most easily broken bone in the body, there is no need to chop there. And chopping on the butt, where bones are hard to find, is no less effective than cutting on the tendons of the limbs, although there are no "large muscles" there.

      I would not call Thomas Laible an amateur... But if you know more than he does, I can put you in touch with the publishing house that published his book. Like, your Label sucks, I’ll write you a more interesting and cooler book. Then all I have to do is wish you good luck and subsequently refer to you!
      1. +1
        14 May 2024 11: 24
        I wouldn't call Thomas Laible an amateur...

        Nobody called him an amateur.
      2. +1
        14 May 2024 11: 29
        Like, your Label sucks, I’ll write you a more interesting and cooler book. Then all I have to do is wish you good luck and subsequently refer to you!

        These are your words. I did not say that.
        1. +2
          14 May 2024 11: 36
          My words are a reference to my own practice and to various authors of fencing books, including Thomas Laible. Moreover, I try to put any words of any authors through practice, and not take them out of context at a theoretical level.
          I have not yet met a single “infallible” author.
          1. +2
            14 May 2024 11: 55
            And specifically - Thomas Laible - despite a very interesting book, one that I know of, is more of a popularizer than a professional fencer. Still, he wrote a book for the common people, not burdened with professional knowledge, and therefore did not avoid significant simplifications and generally accepted cliches. And you should not perceive ALL of his postulates as a “revelation of the messiah”.
            1. +1
              14 May 2024 18: 04
              Quote: Ivan Ivanych Ivanov
              Still, he wrote a book for the common people, not burdened with professional knowledge, and therefore did not avoid significant simplifications and generally accepted cliches.

              I also write for the “common people” of VO who are not burdened with professional knowledge in the field of fencing. There are 99,5% of them here.
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      14 May 2024 12: 36
      Continuing the theme - an illustration describing the niuweidao and an article about this weapon (https://swordis.com/blog/niuweidao/).
      I, Vyacheslav Olegovich, would correct the museum catalogue.
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        14 May 2024 12: 45
        I, Vyacheslav Olegovich, would correct the museum catalogue.

        Useless. That's what museum people are like. I remember in the knight’s hall of the Hermitage there was a collar for a crossbow called “Kolovorot”.
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          14 May 2024 13: 19
          Quote: Ivan Ivanych Ivanov
          Useless. That's what museum people are like.

          Not always and not all.
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        14 May 2024 13: 24
        Quote: Dekabrist
        I, Vyacheslav Olegovich, would correct the museum catalogue.

        It will depend on what they write there during publication. They'll let me edit it... then.
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          14 May 2024 13: 26
          Or maybe they won’t? but this is a responsible matter. Ranevskaya, I remember, expressed herself very aptly on this matter.
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            14 May 2024 13: 28
            Quote: Dekabrist
            Or maybe they won’t?

            In theory they should give it. Otherwise, why would you hire me?
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              14 May 2024 13: 56
              In theory they should give it. Otherwise, why would you hire me?

              Once upon a time, a long time ago, I “worked part-time” (there was such a type of occupation in the USSR) as a foreman in a weapons workshop. Its full-time craftsmen were two completely ancient grandfathers of the old professional school. They were sometimes attracted to the local museum of local history, and when they returned from it, I heard this phrase - “why was it necessary to attract us”, accompanied by rich non-literary comments, quite often. One day one of the grandfathers got sick and I had to go. That’s when I first learned that among museum employees there can be people who are completely ignorant of the issue.
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                14 May 2024 18: 01
                Quote: Dekabrist
                That’s when I first learned that among museum employees there can be people who are completely ignorant of the issue.

                I found out in 1980, when my wife got a job at the museum. No one there knew that they had a Sturmgewehr-44.
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    30 May 2024 23: 04
    Yes, our laws are simply idiotic, such beauty is hidden not only in Penza, but also in other museums in the country, but legislators don’t care about this, they, as always in modern Russia, are doing everything to make the lives of ordinary people more difficult than they were.
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    12 August 2024 15: 58
    So, just in case:
    Sword jian 剑
    Saber, knife - dao 刀
    Single saber dan dao 单刀
    Dual sabers Shuang Dao 双刀

    I can’t say anything about this particular saber, but it’s possible that the blade was redesigned from a European saber.
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    27 August 2024 10: 56
    Moving from hall to hall, I never saw the sword in full :-(