Normal situation: everything goes to hell

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Normal situation: everything goes to hell

I really wanted not to translate (close to the original) the slang of the American military, but the material was written for a Russian publication... Today I want to digress a little from the topic of battles, tactics and strategy of war and talk about the little-mentioned topic of study.

Not the training of replacements or junior and middle-level commanders in units and formations, but the training of a completely different level. When generals study, when armies study, entire countries, if you like...



It is no secret that Ukraine has long become a testing ground for new weapons systems, new tactics and strategies for waging war, a new system for forming rear areas, and so on. A huge school for military personnel all over the world.

In our publications, we often write about innovations of a strategic or tactical nature that are used by both Russian and Ukrainian armed forces during combat operations. As well as about what variations of the miracle-yuda appear in units as a result of folk art of soldiers and officers.

All this is studied thoroughly and disassembled by specialists literally down to the screw. To illustrate, I’ll tell you a fresh example in the heat of the moment.

A few days ago, the famous “barbecue king” returned to the front line. The same tank that at first greatly amused the Internet “experts”, but which showed itself perfectly in real combat.

A short video about this return was sent to me. Just a few seconds. But this was enough to determine that the car was either different or once again seriously modernized. Among the readers there will probably be those who have seen the video with this a tank online. I think they will agree with me.

И что же?

Literally at the very first foreign forum of military specialists I came across a discussion about a new vehicle. A very professional, I must say, polemic. The conclusions are not in favor of Western tanks. But the main thing is not this, but the promptness of the community’s response. I think that those who are now deciding the issues of modernizing the weapons of the American and other Western armies are reacting just as quickly.

Return of RoboCop and RoboStormtroopers


There are probably few people who have not at least once watched American films about robotsreplacing military or police officers. What is not predicted there, from an ordinary machine with artificial intelligence to the symbiosis of a machine and a person in different versions.

As strange as it may seem today, artificial intelligence, popular at the turn of the century, is back in favor. And this was largely facilitated by... the fighting in Ukraine. More precisely, what I started writing about above. Both sides actively use robots to evacuate the wounded and deliver ammunition, create combat platforms and solve other problems.

Among the American military you can often hear the word assfiddle, which they use in relation to some soldiers. If beautifully translated into Russian, it will be “Anika the Warrior.” But, as one of the veterans of the American army explained to me, this word came from the German language and means “moron” (literary translation).

Why did I remember this?

Simply because very often, if an operation fails, it is the assfiddle that is blamed. Everything was well planned, but with Private V and Sergeant R unable to do anything right, it all fell apart. In place of V. and R. there may be recruits, mobs and other “new settlers” of the front line. This is a standard “excuse” when there is nothing to say – the human factor.

As American analysts have found out, the number of robots at the present stage of development of their production technology should be 30–60 percentage points. That is, a third of the personnel of the vehicle unit. At the same time, the issue of creating a fully automated unit is not even being considered.

The Pentagon recognizes that artificial intelligence at the present stage is rather highly specialized programs that are unable to replace humans. Speed ​​up some specific processes - yes, but replace - no. For example, a chess machine cannot also draw pictures or write poetry...

Quite unexpected for me was the statement that the American army began to complain about communications. No one disputes that in this area we are far from being in the forefront. Somehow traditionally we talk about this problem of the Russian army. And we speak with reason. And suddenly those we are catching up with have a problem.

Communications in the American army are better, but they are not suitable for working with robots. The Russians have systems that turn off this communication, and robots cannot work effectively autonomously. It is impossible to create a “friend or foe” system for these machines.

So it turns out that loss of control will lead to the robot becoming a “traitor” and starting to work against its own people. The survival program will force the machine to kill those who are closer, i.e. its own. It turns out to be an interesting combination of the desired and the possible. The machine can be perfect, but there must be an operator inside it... Everything returns to normal...

I really liked the comment from one of the American robotics experts. I won’t go into technical details; I admit, I didn’t understand anything about them myself, but the essence is this: we can create it, but two global threats arise at once.

The first (!) is the one that was predicted by many filmmakers and science fiction writers: the loss of control of the machine will lead to the fact that the robot commander will begin to plan and carry out operations with his “soldiers”. Simply put, machines will rebel and start a war against people.

And the second problem is the “betrayal” of the machines and their “transition” to the enemy. I described above how this can happen. I will only add the fact that the enemy, i.e. we, will be able to create a program that will simply take over control of the machines and then... A completely realistic scenario.

Well, the last of the discussion.

Also unexpected for many. Officers of the NATO armies working directly with the Ukrainian military, participants in the hostilities, identified another problem that we also solved last year. And, in my opinion, they haven’t fully decided.

This is the speed of response to enemy actions. It’s a paradox, all military personnel in the combat zone are well aware that mobile phones have actually replaced cigarettes and cigarettes in the trenches, famous since the First and Second World Wars. Remember the classic: if you light a cigarette, you become a target for a sniper.

Today it looks even more serious. Called - became a target for an artillery system or even a videoconferencing system. But, on the other hand, a call to the battery commander from an artillery reconnaissance officer indicating the coordinates, for example, of an enemy battery practically deprives the enemy battalion commander of the opportunity to redeploy the battery.

The decision to open fire is made so quickly that even self-propelled guns do not have time to leave their positions... Thus, the scout puts his life against the life of an entire battery. Moreover, it has the ability to move quickly, unlike an artillery battery.

The Americans practically tried


There was information in the media that the American army tried to conduct real exercises to test the conclusions that were made after analyzing the fighting in Ukraine. Journalists from Foreign Policy reported this. It was they who managed to visit the city of Ujen, which is located in the Mojave Desert, where these exercises were held.

But don’t rush to look for this city on a map of the United States. At best, you will find the Fort Irwin training ground in this very Mojave Desert. That's where Ujen is. I will bring some joy to the residents of Mariupol and Kherson. You will be pleasantly surprised to see some areas of Ujen that are very reminiscent of your favorite city. And perhaps you will see... yourself. But don’t wander around Ujen too much, there, in addition to Russian units, there are also Chinese... All this together is called the “Project Convergence” exercise.

In general, an interesting game was played in this ghost town. There were indeed well-equipped “Russian units” there, “local residents” who for some reason spoke English. Armored robotic cars rolled through the streets, robotic dogs ran through apartments, and circled in the sky drones-robots. They even dropped grenades on the heads of Russians. True, it was made of foam... Hollywood looked at this production with envy.

The exercises showed that the conclusions of military experts and analysts were overwhelmingly correct. No matter how much fun it was to watch all this action, from a military point of view it was worth it. For example, the Americans refused to produce expensive Drones, as ineffective, and switched to producing inexpensive small drones.

In general, it is clear that, as I have said for a long time and repeat constantly, the SVO has really destroyed many stereotypes in military science. The war has truly transformed. The changes are so global that in the future they will require fundamental changes in the organization of the army, weapons, and the very essence of war.

I don't believe that it will ever be possible to create a machine that can compete with the human brain.

Try replacing a sniper's brain with a machine. There are millions of targets before the sniper's eyes. All blades of grass are actual targets. However, the human brain selects from these millions a dozen actual workers. The machine evaluates everything... At what speed should the machine think in order to overtake the sniper’s thought. Ten goals instead of millions?..

Most likely, progress will go towards the creation of highly professional systems, where the speed of decision-making depends precisely on the assessment of the situation. In this case, systems will be created in which artificial intelligence will help humans. It is to help, not replace.

That is, progress in the near future will follow a long-trodden path. The decision is made by a person, and machines will calculate the implementation options and do the grunt work...
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  1. +7
    10 May 2024 04: 44
    The problem I see is not only that there is no AI capable of replacing the “brains” of a standard infantryman. There is also no robotic platform capable of realizing this. Well, a trivial example: a soldier will be able to climb to the second floor using the remains of the structure of a destroyed flight of stairs. Will a robotic dog, like Boston Dynamics, be able to do this?
    1. +5
      10 May 2024 05: 03
      Will a robotic dog, like Boston Dynamics, be able to do this?

      Cyborgs from Hollywood films will be able to jump onto the third floor...although this moment will come in a hundred years.
      Now in the arsenal of inventors there are mini-drones the size of a matchbox, charged with several grams of powerful explosives...enough to make a hole in a person's skull. request
      The further we go, the more disgusting such inventions become.
      1. +12
        10 May 2024 06: 09
        Stanslav Lem in “Peace on Earth” a long time ago, when there were ESKs on punch cards, deals in great detail with this topic about insect-like drones with poison in their stings. And he wrote well about remote-controlled takes. Nanorobots in the form of dust defeated everyone...
        1. +3
          10 May 2024 11: 07
          And about AI snipers, everything is simple.
          The human indicates the target, the AI ​​points the weapon and shoots.
          Only a few humans can match AI in terms of shooting accuracy. And here any drone can become a sniper, and one operator can control several drones.
        2. +3
          10 May 2024 11: 47
          Quote from vext-tor
          In Stanslav Lem's "Peace on Earth"

          In "Invincible" the dust won. laughing hi
      2. +4
        10 May 2024 12: 52
        I don’t know about cyborgs, but the main problem at the front end is still drones. A mobilized colleague writes that even going to the toilet turns into a kind of roulette
        1. +11
          10 May 2024 15: 42
          Prolonging the war will possibly lead to an even worse situation. In five years, we may encounter something that is not even talked about now. The worst thing is that we are behind in electronics. It looks like the coming summer period will be decisive. We cannot fight for a long time for other reasons.
          1. +6
            10 May 2024 20: 44
            Yes that's right. But those at the top don’t understand this, damn it...
            Again we see some kind of strange wait-and-see attitude: they successfully hit the energy of the Ruins and... instead of finishing it off, they are waiting for something. Then, apparently, they will beat, as they write in the news, “in response”...
            And Putin himself, openly, says in the media that the Ukrainian energy sector was not attacked in the winter because of “humanistic considerations.” What's stupider: avoiding hitting your opponent or talk about it so openly in the media???
            Everyone is waiting and afraid of the adversaries’ strike on the Crimean Bridge. But it’s weak to hit the ukrov bridges across the Dnieper...
            All this is strange.
            In my opinion, there are several explanations: betrayal of some of the elites, the brains of the elite (all of them) filled with humanism and globalism, agreements, indirect bribes.
            And the hope from the end of 2022 (approximately) is for this “strategy”: we no longer mobilize into the army, we treat captured Ukrainians well, and they forcibly mobilize everyone and therefore one day they will all begin to surrender and rebel in the rear against mobilization in APU... Well, well.
            In 6-7 years, maybe this strategy will work.
            Or maybe not.
            1. +6
              11 May 2024 07: 40
              Quote: PavelT
              In my opinion, there are several explanations: betrayal of some of the elites, the brains of the elite (all of them) filled with humanism and globalism, agreements, indirect bribes.


              Maybe everything is simpler and scarier?
              The authorities of Russia and Ukraine are fulfilling their role scenarios, in the plans of the global Glavburzhuinstvo...
              There are too many logically difficult to explain absurdities, which the winners will later turn to their advantage.
              1. +2
                11 May 2024 08: 43
                Well then, everything is even worse: Russians and Ukrainians, after 10 years of war, will become exhausted and will lose their most passionate people. Their place will be taken by “valuable personnel” from Central Asians who have arrived in large numbers (which is already happening in Mariupol and other cities in the liberated territories).
                Why after 10 years? Because this period is exactly like the Yugoslav wars, stopped by the West only in Macedonia. They depleted the Balkans in this way, tied some countries to the United States, and installed a powerful American base in Kosovo. The tasks have been completed, the rich region has been crushed.
                By the way, the rebel Muslim Macedonian Kosovars were then gouged by Mi-24 attack helicopters from Ukraine, urgently sold to Macedonia together with Ukrainian crews - with the permission of the West, of course!
                Those. If the West had not allowed this supply and decided to stop it all, the Orthodox Slavs would have been fighting with Muslims in the Balkans for a few more years...
    2. +2
      10 May 2024 06: 07
      You are too straightforward and difficult to solve problems. The robot will simply drive a dowel into the wall and hang on it a penny radio microphone for impact noise in a building structure and move on. If there is no movement in the building yet, it will be considered empty, but as soon as you make a little noise, a shell or rocket will automatically come into the building.
      1. +5
        10 May 2024 09: 48
        How about a draft or a rat? There won’t be enough missiles to hit a piece of torn corrugated sheeting grunting in the wind...
        1. +5
          10 May 2024 11: 48
          You perfectly distinguish by ear the engine of heavy equipment, shots, speech, the noise of construction work or vibrations of mechanisms from the slaps of corrugated sheets or the accidental fall of a load or debris. And such a system will distinguish.
    3. +1
      10 May 2024 06: 10
      Quote: Dmitry Ivanov_8
      Well, a trivial example: a soldier can Use the remains of the structure of the destroyed flight of stairs to climb to the second floor. Will a robotic dog, like Boston Dynamics, be able to do this?
      fool Why are you not satisfied with a disposable drone? It will fly through the window, and think in a standard way, AI is an auxiliary tool, and in some cases, clearing can be carried out by fighters. AI should not solve all problems in battle... Dill is promised 1000000000 drones for each soldier... feel
    4. +1
      10 May 2024 10: 51
      Dmitry, you are talking at the unit level. As the author correctly noted, the effect here is seen precisely in a narrow spectrum, no matter what this unit is. I won’t go deep into the specifics of each unit, and the extent of its compatibility with AI is a matter for military specialists.
      But I would like to say that AI has an advantage in analyzing large amounts of data. If the concept of combat, forecasting and anticipation are used as a single model, then this will allow operations to be carried out more successfully and, in general, this is a new level. If we add to this model the ability to control swarms of small drones or individual highly specialized drones, such as reconnaissance or special equipment, then the resulting model will already have a degree of integration with AI of 30%.
      1. 0
        10 May 2024 13: 00
        Why is AI dangerous? Because it is created by a person who is accidentally capable of destroying anything! feel AI is capable of speeding up the receipt of information, perhaps speeding up its processing, but AI will not make decisions, at least it should not!!! Because there is no guarantee that somewhere in the algorithms there is no error due to which the AI ​​will incorrectly identify targets and will not demolish its own defenses with a swarm of drones, for example! lol It’s one thing to lead a kamikaze UAV towards a target chosen by the operator, but it’s quite another thing to choose a target to strike! (Example with a sniper, very correct) good
        1. +1
          10 May 2024 18: 00
          By the way, the film “Combat Robot Number 4” was made on this very topic. I advise you to look.
    5. +2
      10 May 2024 20: 38
      Intelligence, by definition, cannot replace the brain, since intelligence is not even thinking, but only one of the characteristics of thinking. And it characterizes it - productivity. That is, the number of decisions made per unit of time. Therefore, there is no need to expect AI to replace thinking. Well, if this suddenly happens for some reason, the sadness will be much greater than described by science fiction writers...
  2. +1
    10 May 2024 05: 11
    On a cleanup day, I looked out the window from the fifth floor. In the adjacent territory, on a cleanup day, colleagues, about 25 people, are working. (All of course, in different clothes, not in the ones that I see every day).
    I didn’t have to peer for long (and this was with poor eyesight, -1,5) to determine who was who in the territory. You just look, and somehow, by their movements, you instantly recognize everyone, whether from the back or from the side.
    This is how we do it?
    Artificial intelligence, I think this can never be learned!
    1. +6
      10 May 2024 05: 30
      I don’t agree with you here. I worked at a plant as an instrumentation engineer and we serviced a production line where machine vision cameras were installed. So there was such a mass of ice cream that it was difficult to keep track and see the condition of the product. So, the camera read the date matrix and evaluated the packaging. So neural networks have many advantages in relation to people. But you shouldn’t go too far; you need to use their strengths within the capabilities of the technology.
      1. +1
        11 May 2024 08: 31
        Neural networks have only just begun to develop. AI does not get tired and does not sleep,
        Here is a clip where the visual sequence is completely drawn by generative AI

        1. 0
          11 May 2024 09: 02
          Judging by the comments, not everyone knows what a neural network can do.
    2. man
      +4
      10 May 2024 08: 59
      Quote: Eldorado
      On a cleanup day, I looked out the window from the fifth floor. In the adjacent territory, on a cleanup day, colleagues, about 25 people, are working. (All of course, in different clothes, not in the ones that I see every day).
      I didn’t have to peer for long (and this was with poor eyesight, -1,5) to determine who was who in the territory. You just look, and somehow, by their movements, you instantly recognize everyone, whether from the back or from the side.
      This is how we do it?
      Artificial intelligence, I think this can never be learned!

      You shouldn't think so. Haven't you heard about pattern recognition?
      1. +2
        10 May 2024 18: 39
        Quote: mann
        pattern recognition

        Yes, and there are already algorithms that recognize people by their gait, which, as it turns out, is very characteristic of everyone. “I recognize a sweetheart by his gait” - that’s really true, and no wig or mask will help.
        1. +1
          12 May 2024 03: 57
          that’s really true, and no wig or mask will help.
          But an ordinary hammer will help perfectly.
          Tap it (not hard) on the finger, and the person will intuitively change his gait to put less stress on the injured finger. For the algorithm, this is quite enough to mistake such a gait for the gait of another person.
          1. 0
            12 May 2024 11: 03
            Quote: Electrical
            But a regular hammer will work great...

            laughing It will help for once, to walk through the airport hall, for example. But for normal operational work the operative does not have enough toes). However, this technology is not intended for professionals. It allows you to trace the route of movement of an object of interest from one camera coverage area to another, without looking at the object’s face. And if a person injured his finger, then after 100 meters of the journey he will not stop limping at will.
    3. +1
      10 May 2024 11: 52
      Quote: Eldorado
      Artificial intelligence, I think this can never be learned!

      "Never say never" laughing
    4. 0
      13 May 2024 00: 46
      You just look, and somehow, by their movements, you instantly recognize everyone, whether from the back or from the side.
      Not all homosapiens have reptilian vision (reptiles for the most part react to movement and its nature).

      Artificial intelligence, I think this can never be learned!
      Should not be underestimated. Something similar has been working in Tesla autopilots for a long time. There, too, the system analyzes the movement of objects and its characteristics of this movement. Tesla has a chip of its own design for these purposes. They have been putting it there for about 10 years with various modifications.
  3. +4
    10 May 2024 05: 58
    Try replacing a sniper's brain with a machine. There are millions of targets before the sniper's eyes. All blades of grass are actual targets. However, the human brain selects from these millions a dozen actual workers. The machine evaluates everything... At what speed should the machine think in order to overtake the sniper’s thought. Ten goals instead of millions?..

    AI is designed differently. This is not a child prodigy, but it can and should be taught if there are clear rules. The sniper example is bad. You can teach AI to recognize, and most importantly it will be quickly and without fatigue
    1. 0
      10 May 2024 20: 54
      AI is essentially being trained. He does what he is taught. And what is not in the database, he will not do. Of course, the database can be huge, including similarity comparison algorithms, etc.
  4. +8
    10 May 2024 06: 03
    By the way, “Artificial Intelligence” does not exist in principle, AI is the commercial name for Automated Control Systems (ACS), primarily technological processes (TP) - everything around there are processes... And the term came to us from the West, as usual.. .
    1. +1
      10 May 2024 10: 07
      Quote: Brondulyak
      By the way, “Artificial Intelligence” does not exist in principle, AI is the commercial name for Automated Control Systems (ACS), primarily technological processes (TP) - everything around is processes...
      Nothing in common. AI - neural networks, automated process control systems - workplace automation.
      1. +1
        10 May 2024 15: 13
        But a neural network is not an algorithm written in Python, Jawa or SS+, the same goes for a process control system, it’s the same primitive algorithm.
        1. +1
          10 May 2024 18: 25
          Quote: vkfriendly
          But neural networks are not an algorithm written in Python, Jawa or CC+
          No, the result of the neural network is not the result of the algorithm. A neural network is not a set of commands, but a bunch of coefficients and connections.
    2. 0
      11 May 2024 19: 24
      Don't talk nonsense. Believe me, as a dryer operator with 31 years of experience. A process control system is a complex that collects information from many different sensors and operator commands sent from operator stations or local panels. Program processing is cyclic. The program contains algorithms, usually executed in assembly language or in development shells, which still compile the program into assembler. The result of the program is the generation of control commands (analog or discrete) for actuators (electrics, motors, hydraulic valves/pumps, pneumatics, etc.). Usually the basis of the program is various controls, interlocks, and operating modes. I will not talk about the network connection of individual parts of the process control system (the so-called DCS).

      And AI has nothing to do with it. There are different principles.
    3. 0
      13 May 2024 00: 57
      "Artificial Intelligence" does not exist in principle, AI is the commercial name for Automated Control Systems (ACS)

      So the automated control system, as an algorithmic creation, cursed in absentia all these neural networks with their fuzzy algorithms. Although even the term algorithm is applicable to them with a stretch, because canonically an algorithm is a way of calculating a function. And in neurons there is no calculation, no functional dependencies (the activation function of the neuron has nothing to do with it).
      Well, many technological processes, even the most modern ones, still go on without neuron or AI control. There may be all sorts of clever sensors and monitoring systems. Nuclear power plants are still under the supervision of natural intelligence)
  5. +3
    10 May 2024 06: 17
    Quote: Eldorado
    On a cleanup day, I looked out the window from the fifth floor. In the adjacent territory, on a cleanup day, colleagues, about 25 people, are working. (All of course, in different clothes, not in the ones that I see every day).
    I didn’t have to peer for long (and this was with poor eyesight, -1,5) to determine who was who in the territory. You just look, and somehow, by their movements, you instantly recognize everyone, whether from the back or from the side.
    This is how we do it?
    Artificial intelligence, I think this can never be learned!

    Artificial intelligence does just that much better than the human brain. Google the “safe city” system in terms of recognizing people with a hidden face, you will learn a lot of new things
    PS
    There are also no problems with the robot sniper, as the author described. There are visual templates that with 100% probability will separate grass, branches and other areas near the road from roaring people (if the targets are people). It will be more difficult to prioritize targets if, for example, insignia are missing. But even here it is possible to analyze behavior (and this also works just fine) and simply choose who is in command. But with a reliable platform, the plug is real
  6. +4
    10 May 2024 06: 26
    Try replacing a sniper's brain with a machine. There are millions of targets before the sniper's eyes. All blades of grass are actual targets. However, the human brain selects from these millions a dozen actual workers. The machine evaluates everything... At what speed should the machine think in order to overtake the sniper’s thought. Ten goals instead of millions?..

    Naive... This is all right.
    They do not yet produce 2 nm neuroprocessors for military purposes. And for civilians, it’s still NVIDIA that’s in charge and not the embedded one. But they will be - after analysis.
    And it’s not snipers and dogs who need AI. More likely, flying drones for target selection.
    Factories are being built in the states like crazy, money is pouring in - in a few years we will get the result of a new round...
  7. +1
    10 May 2024 06: 40
    That is, progress in the near future will follow a long-trodden path.
    In other words, a new round of the arms race into which Russia is being drawn
    1. 0
      10 May 2024 16: 14
      It's strange somehow. Looking at our actions, are we being dragged in? They themselves gave a good boost to the whole world.
  8. +4
    10 May 2024 07: 45
    So I don’t understand, did the Americans like our turtle tank? :)
  9. +2
    10 May 2024 07: 52
    There are 2 types of war, a small victorious one, where robots and all sorts of smart cartridges, etc. are suitable, and a large one, like SVO - there is simply not enough money for the first case - you just need a lot of cheap money.
    1. 0
      10 May 2024 16: 54
      there is simply not enough money in the first case - you need a lot of cheap stuff.


      It depends on how to understand and further develop the concept of military automation and robotics. If it’s like the further development of new types of mine land weapons, then it’s just that it’s very cheap and very plentiful and simple.
    2. 0
      10 May 2024 23: 21
      Quote: Igor1915
      you need a lot, it's cheap

      Do you think microcircuits are not “cheap and simple”? laughing
      Gunpowder and explosives are no longer just... A cartridge is more expensive than many microcircuits laughing
      And the price of a grenade...
      1. 0
        13 May 2024 01: 05
        The cartridge is more expensive than many microcircuits
        How much does a cartridge production plant cost, and how much does a chip production plant cost? Some craftsmen managed to make everything from weapons to ammunition in their garages. Are there any such examples with microcircuits? Cartridges in their current form have been made for more than a hundred years. How many decades have microchips been made?

        Gunpowder and explosives are no longer just...
        If you know how to make gunpowder and explosives, then where are your lithographs for drawing masks for the production of microcircuits?
        1. 0
          13 May 2024 05: 17
          Quote from barbos
          How much does a cartridge production plant cost, and how much does a chip production plant cost? Some craftsmen managed to make everything from weapons to ammunition in their garages. Are there any such examples with microcircuits? Cartridges in their current form have been made for more than a hundred years. How many decades have microchips been made?

          You are answering the question slightly for the wrong team.
          Building a plant (like Mikron) is difficult for us and not for the enemy. By the way, rummage around, microcircuits are made there and chips are hacked. There are amateurs and they have equipment at home.
          So don’t forget - for US and for THEM simple and cheap are completely different things. It’s not easy and expensive for us to produce one hundred thousand microcircuits with a price of less than a dollar (well, 100 rubles) and install them in all drones... And for 30-100 dollars to produce 100 thousand beautiful VERY complex chips - it’s not a problem for THEM at all.
          The last development in which I participated 5-7 years ago (a very complex chip with PCI4, on-the-fly transcoders, 16 threads, on-the-fly image recognition, 8K video stream compression plus a controller for something) took less than a year and a half...
          1. 0
            14 May 2024 21: 42
            You are answering the question slightly for the wrong team
            Why?

            Building a plant (like Mikron) is difficult for us and not for the enemy
            Why then does the microcircuit turn out to be cheaper than the cartridge? Where is the point where the price of the cartridge begins to overtake the price of the chip? After all, according to you: The cartridge is more expensive than many microcircuits . Gunpowder in accelerators is obtained from antimatter, are the cartridges hatched by special breeds of chickens?

            By the way, rummage around, microcircuits are made THERE and chips are hacked
            Small circuits on film elements (thin or thick) are in no way related to semiconductor chips, although there are some similarities. It’s hard to describe homemade products on FPGAs. Because in fact, a design microcircuit is taken, which is brought to the desired condition on the programmer.

            The last development in which I participated 5-7 years ago (a very complex chip with PCI4, on-the-fly transcoders, 16 threads, on-the-fly image recognition, 8K video stream compression plus a controller for something) took less than a year and a half...
            What did they develop straight from scratch and didn’t take a single ready-made block?
            And in the last century, as boys, we ourselves made air guns and crossbows chambered for a small cartridge. Scarecrows and explosive packages too. But microcircuits couldn’t even use lamps, because they are many times more complicated
            1. 0
              15 May 2024 19: 11
              Where is the point where the price of the cartridge begins to overtake the price of the chip? After all, in your opinion: The cartridge is more expensive than many microcircuits.

              Let's look at the price of ammunition, for example here (I don't think they're lying)
              https://dzen.ru/a/Y-_SZikTgFbnNNWd
              Price of microcircuits (retail! with some markup) https://www.digikey.com/en/products/category/integrated-circuits-ics/32
              You can dig around yourself - but, for example, operational amplifiers start at 6 cents - and a cartridge for Makrov is 15 rubles.
              Quote from barbos
              By the way, rummage around, microcircuits are made THERE and chips are hacked

              I’m too lazy to look here - but two well-known security specialists hack (for verification) the hardware protection of the microcircuit from reading and other access at home - with liquid nitrogen, polishing agent, electron microscope, etc. And these are not FPGAs, but modern microprocessors. Published regularly.
              What did they develop straight from scratch and didn’t take a single ready-made block?

              Well, don't consider everyone an idiot. Of course, 90% of IPs were taken ready-made.
              Do you think that in order to create a specialized microcircuit for military applications, they will develop blocks - some computational, some interface, some AI from scratch???
              A microcircuit is now the same as a printed circuit board in the past - they connect ready-made IPs.
              And if they want, they will connect them in less than 1.5 years
            2. 0
              15 May 2024 22: 55
              because in fact, a design microcircuit is taken, which is brought to the desired condition on the programmer.

              Well, so that they don’t blame the link at all, how they make a microcircuit for 1200 transistors in the garage, starting with the waffer. I hope you know that this is not film laughing
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS5ycm7VfXg
              And there is a video of all stages of the process below wink
  10. +2
    10 May 2024 09: 45
    Well, they have been saying for a long time that the Northern Military District is “the mother of all future wars”
    1. -1
      10 May 2024 15: 07
      So the boys there are doing everything so that no one would have the desire to participate with us in the wars of the future.
  11. +1
    10 May 2024 10: 09
    How fast must a machine think to outrun a sniper's thoughts?
    Nerve impulses are transmitted at a speed of 300 m/s, an electrical signal is almost a million times faster.
    1. +1
      10 May 2024 18: 04
      It's funny. But the nerve impulse is of the same nature. It's not about transmission, but about the processing of information itself.
      1. +2
        10 May 2024 18: 26
        Quote: Jager
        It's funny. But the nerve impulse is of the same nature
        Not quite: in technology, information is transmitted by oscillations of the electromagnetic field, and in nerves - by ion intercellular exchange.
  12. -1
    10 May 2024 10: 32
    The author's mind is locked in a spherical vacuum. Fantasy article on the theme of Robocop and Terminator.
    Today it looks even more serious. Called - became a target for an artillery system
    Protected frequencies only for the army? - No, I haven’t heard.
    I will bring some joy to the residents of Mariupol and Kherson. You will be pleasantly surprised to see some areas of Ujen that are very reminiscent of your favorite city.
    What's this? Dancing on the bones? For such “joy,” the residents of Mariupol and Kherson will break a couple of dozen bones and tear the soft tissue in the pelvic area.
    All blades of grass are actual targets.
    No comment.
    That is, progress in the near future will follow a long-trodden path. The decision is made by a person, and machines will calculate the implementation options and do the grunt work...

    "...robots work hard, not people..."))))
    Ceterum censeo Washingtago delendam esse
  13. -2
    10 May 2024 11: 06
    Another attempt to introduce false principles into the consciousness of citizens.
    There is no AI - there is a certain algorithm for processing previously accumulated information and that’s all.
    On this topic, colossal resources are being wasted, without any visible economic effect.
    Similar to AI, cutting-edge topics like 3D printing, wind generation, nanotechnology, electric propulsion and other anti-scientific rubbish are being promoted.
    Therefore, this article is an advertising campaign that does not contain any useful information.
    1. +5
      10 May 2024 12: 45
      Quote: Dozorny severa
      There is no AI - there is a certain algorithm for processing previously accumulated information and that’s all.
      There is no algorithm, neural networks are just trained. With all the consequences (you may turn out to be a stupid person and a liar, but you can also be an excellent student).
      Quote: Dozorny severa
      Similar to AI, cutting-edge topics like 3D printing, wind generation, nanotechnology, electric propulsion and other anti-scientific rubbish are being promoted.
      3D printers exist and work, I’ve personally seen them. I personally drove an electric vehicle (some Nissan). The processor you are using to write a comment is quite similar to nanotechnology in terms of the size of the transistors. This is not classic nanotechnology with assemblers and copiers, but still.
      1. 0
        10 May 2024 18: 08
        It’s curious, but scientists of the 60s could not even dream of the computing power and size of the most ordinary smartphone even in their wildest dreams. Nevertheless...
        The Internet is originally a MILITARY development. It was only later that the idea was transformed into the “world network”.
    2. man
      +4
      10 May 2024 14: 08
      There is no AI - there is a certain algorithm for processing previously accumulated information and that’s all.
      You don't understand anything about capitalism (that's a compliment) laughing Capitalism is a bright wrapper smile Pronounce the processing algorithm to an amateur and see a bored expression on his face, pronounce artificial intelligence and delight him! laughing And customers today are usually financiers, lawyers, economists, i.e. complete nerds in technology. These beautiful names are created for them. smile There are probably exceptions, but I haven't seen them sad
      1. +3
        10 May 2024 15: 16
        I will support you. There are “expert systems” that specifically solve specific narrow problems. They may be super useful, but that doesn't make them AI
        1. man
          +1
          10 May 2024 17: 18
          Quote: Winnie76
          I will support you. There are “expert systems” that specifically solve specific narrow problems. They may be super useful, but that doesn't make them AI

          I myself am an ASU student with a university degree, and all my life I have preferred modest but informative Soviet terms.
    3. 0
      13 May 2024 01: 26
      Another attempt to introduce false principles into the consciousness of citizens.
      There is no AI - there is a certain algorithm for processing previously accumulated information and that’s it

      In order to clearly and understandably answer your message, we will need to jointly dive into such a section of the heritage of human intelligence (and this is precisely what was created by intelligence) as computational mathematics. All sorts of Turing machines live there with their fundamental problems of stopping calculations and other interesting things related to calculations and algorithms (the algorithms come from there). Only there are no neurons or AI there. Because AI is not at all about calculations (lots of examples from chat) and strict adherence to the laid down algorithm.
      If you need examples of AI working with previously accumulated data, then you can go to the Middle Kingdom and take a closer look at their system for recognizing and monitoring citizens.

      Therefore, this article is an advertising campaign that does not contain any useful information.
      Don't freak out and take it for granted. A social graph has long been built for your profile on social networks (this is a mathematical term, not a title), and your cellular operator has a pattern of how you use your phone.
  14. -1
    10 May 2024 14: 39
    When there is no “I”, then “AI” will not help.
  15. +1
    10 May 2024 14: 48
    I don’t understand why the algorithm should read millions of blades of grass as targets? When he can be given the correct and necessary object in the form of a human figure in different poses and he will look only for it. Now trucks (robots) are being tested on a highway like between St. Petersburg and Moscow, so they perfectly read signs and markings and curbs and vehicles nearby and other objects that were placed in it like pictures. I myself once took part on Yandex in identifying such pictures that were difficult to read; it was necessary to correctly determine what kind of sign was in front; this was precisely the AI ​​created for unmanned vehicles.
    1. 0
      10 May 2024 16: 04
      Not only. The human body temperature is higher than that of blades of grass - and this is the main identifying factor. A person, when moving, leaves a lot of “traces”
  16. +3
    10 May 2024 15: 57
    The author has thrown everything together. The conclusions are incorrect in form in general. It is worth separating global trends from ours. There are manufacturers in the world that produce video cards and processors. Overall the world is closer to autonomous cars than we are! And we are 20-30 years behind, I’ll explain why:
    1) We do not have our own normal radio-electronic industry! Almost everything is purchased from China and Central Asian countries
    2) We will have our own lithographers by 2030, at best.
    “By the end of 2025, a working prototype of a 90 nm installation with manual feed will be required. Another 3 years will be required to test and create a machine with automation. The industrial prototype is planned to be delivered by the end of 2028, and it should be ready for 32 nm standards.
    By 2032, the pessimistic forecast plans to achieve 28 nm, and the optimistic forecast 12 nm. All this using X-ray technology.
    Another developer at IAP RAS plans to create a 7 nm lithograph by 2028."
    3) Robotics is currently actively developing thanks to donations from citizens and military personnel. The same courier. We don’t hear about research institutes and big players. The need for a flying aircraft carrier with fpv drones in patrol mode has been talked about since 22. Yesterday on TV, fighters at a meeting with Putin voiced this topic. Our industrialists don't itch at all. Everything rises due to civil and private initiative.
    4) It is possible, with civilian versions, to start producing autonomous queens with “drones”, permissible for the forestry industry, collecting resources, processing. Then release a construction version and then a military version. I have written about this more than once. So we can produce tractors that do everything ourselves, but we cannot make similar machines for mining, processing, and production of resources?
    If we had set a goal, as with the nuclear project, everything would have happened. But they put it - “The West will sell us everything”
    5) It may not be 1 system, but a decentralized, specialized, different one, connect the same quantum connection for stability..
    1. 0
      12 May 2024 17: 02
      There is a film with VinDiesel (he, as a courier, saves a girl and transports her somewhere). In the film, he crosses the territory of Russia-Canada on snow motorcycles. There were just drones and automatic turrets.
      according to the film - 2030+.
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    1. 0
      13 May 2024 12: 18
      Dekabrist
      I don't believe it will ever be possible to create a machine that can compete with the human brain
      the same author did not believe in the abandonment of Kherson
      Incomparable comparisons. At the moment, such opportunities do not exist, and will not appear in the coming years. And what will happen in hundreds of years - who knows?
      1. 0
        13 May 2024 12: 45
        Incomparable comparisons.

        The point is not comparability, but the fact that in both cases the issue is discussed by an individual who understands absolutely nothing about this very issue.
  18. 0
    10 May 2024 16: 02
    Staver did not write a third version of the problem created by robots - chaos and confusion. Without any betrayal, robots can open friendly fire. Robots can perform erratic actions that will interfere with their own. It has long been known that automation of chaos creates even more chaos. What if chaos occurs in a “swarm of drones”?
    As for communication, as usual, we see patterns. Firstly, electronic warfare can be suppressed by anti-electronic warfare ammunition, be it drones or loitering missiles.
    Secondly, communication can be laser, with an ultra-wide frequency band, with duplication of frequency channels, with the transmission of information in short pulses, with highly directional antennas (like radio relays, etc.), with high pulse power. There are many options.
    Finally, drones will still be controlled by people - they will become the main target
    1. 0
      13 May 2024 01: 39
      Without any betrayal, robots can open friendly fire. Robots may perform erratic actions that will interfere with their
      Is there something completely wrong with people? Just beauty and order.

      It has long been known that automation of chaos creates even more chaos.
      A common excuse for clueless leaders and effective managers.

      communication can be laser
      Except in space. There are problems with this on Earth. Especially in case of precipitation or natural barriers (entered a building).

      with ultra-wide frequency band, with duplication of frequency channels, with information transmission in short pulses
      This is over *ten years old. In the same cellular connection since the beginning of the century.

      with high pulse power
      You need a good battery and high-quality, powerful high-frequency transistors in the output stage. Things didn't work out for us from the very beginning.

      with highly directional antennas (like radio relays, etc.
      Every antenna has side lobes. To combat them, it is necessary to complicate the design. Narrow focus also requires design features. The result is a complex, expensive and cumbersome option
      1. 0
        13 May 2024 12: 09
        robots can open friendly fire
        The simplest example is the defeat of our Il-38 by a Syrian missile instead of an Israeli F-16

        disorderly actions that will interfere with their

        Is there something completely wrong with people?
        Nobody argues. The ultimate culprits are always people

        automation of chaos creates more chaos

        The usual excuse of clueless managers
        Not an excuse, but a common practice of such leaders. There are tons of examples. At least look at what’s happening with all this notorious digitalization...

        communication can be laser

        Except in space. There are problems with this on Earth

        Communication can be very diverse. All wireless communications use electromagnetic waves (EMW). Radio waves and laser radiation are a type of electromagnetic waves. Lasers can also operate in the radio range - masers.

        This is over *ten years old
        I mean that communication is constantly improving. You mentioned space - somehow over the last 50 years you have managed to communicate with very small devices at gigantic distances with a minimum signal level and against the backdrop of cosmic noise.

        with high pulse power

        We need a good battery and high-quality, powerful high-frequency transistors... We had problems with both of them from the very beginning
        There are also lamps. If we don’t have it, you can buy it or order it. I don't see any particular problem with this. It's just that, in my opinion, this is not the best solution. Other options have not been exhausted.

        with highly directional antennas
        ...complex, expensive and cumbersome option
        Take a modern smartphone and try to implement something similar using solutions from, say, the 50s. You would have a “gadget” the size of a train
  19. +1
    10 May 2024 16: 11
    To detect military art, a cluster of telephones can be deliberately created and begin to ring at the same time. The same cluster can be dropped onto enemy positions, for example, from drones
  20. 0
    10 May 2024 16: 13
    An empty drone, or even a few, falls on enemy positions. When the enemy picks him up, the area is covered with artillery
  21. 0
    10 May 2024 17: 26
    Conclusion: Russia urgently needs its lithographers! And more. Even 300 nm.
  22. +1
    10 May 2024 18: 50
    Called - became a target for an artillery system or even a videoconferencing system. But, on the other hand, a call to the battery commander from an artillery reconnaissance officer indicating the coordinates, for example, of an enemy battery practically deprives the enemy battalion commander of the opportunity to redeploy the battery.

    This is still beyond my understanding.. Why is there cellular communication in the combat area? Cell towers are not mobile, not so massive, and not such a small target that they cannot be destroyed.
    1. 0
      13 May 2024 11: 33
      cpls22
      Why is there cell phone service in a combat area?

      Both “ours” and “yours” use it. Everyone is comfortable. And a working cellular connection provides a lot of opportunities:
      1. Detecting a cluster of enemy phones and striking them
      2. Sending panic SMS to enemy phones and calls for surrender
      3. Misinformation of the enemy through his phones. For example, using dummy base stations. Or through captured enemy phones
      4.Can be used to target drones, even the enemy network.
      In short, let it be, even the enemy.

      Cell towers are not mobile phones.

      There are different ones. They can also be on cars. You can also attach a base station to a tall tree or building.

      To summarize: not the highest priority goal. And why kill the “goose that may lay the golden eggs”?
      1. 0
        13 May 2024 12: 04
        Quote: futurohunter
        And why kill the “goose that may lay the golden eggs”?

        So, the situation is mutual, as far as I understand, and it can completely lay eggs on anyone, if you are unlucky. It is clear that in conditions of mutual almost complete awareness of the enemy’s actions, playing with a damaged telephone can slightly cloud this clarity, but if it is possible to verify the information received by other intelligence means, this will not last long. The problem is that it is difficult to control leaks through the mobile network, which means that using it in an operational game is dangerous. It may turn out that the hunter will instantly become the game.
        1. 0
          13 May 2024 12: 15
          Well, the situation is mutual, as far as I understand, and it can lay eggs on anyone, if you’re unlucky
          Thats exactly what I mean.

          Intelligence, like war, is always an extremely dangerous undertaking. But they were never abandoned at any time. It's the same here.

          It is not difficult to deploy a mobile network; dead base stations are restored without any problems. Dealing with it is tedious and too costly. It is much more important to destroy a tank or enemy soldiers, and the cost and amount of ammunition for the base station may be higher.
          During the Chechen war, cell phone towers were destroyed. Now they are just being used.

          And it is very problematic to jam all communications in a theater of war.
          1. 0
            13 May 2024 12: 22
            Quote: futurohunter
            Now they are just being used.
            And it is very problematic to jam all communications in a theater of war.

            It's clear. If you can't destroy it, use it. It remains to wish our team good luck in the battle in this troubled water. The winner will be the one who has more effective control over the use of mobile phones and a better general understanding of the discipline.
            If you estimate who will lose more from the loss of mobile communications, then maybe. It really benefits us to preserve it.
      2. 0
        13 May 2024 13: 26
        Quote: futurohunter

        In short, let it be, even the enemy.
        And why kill the “goose that may lay the golden eggs”?

        Well, let it be an enemy one, if destroying it is costly, and there are advantages for reconnaissance.
        But why can’t we limit our own, at least in terms of its use by troops? Because it lays golden eggs? To whom it carries, and to whom it demolishes.
        1. +1
          14 May 2024 09: 23
          How do you imagine these restrictions?
          You can’t just take it and limit it directly. Or I misunderstand you.
          Some stations are destroyed (aviation, artillery, MLRS). Someone is being jammed (total jamming). Broadcast again, listen. They can impose their network on some area. The phone connects to a base station with a stronger signal. This is done, for example, by Eleron drones. The same UAVs send panic and fake SMS messages.
          A data packet from the 404 network can be intercepted and replaced with a fake packet, respectively relayed through our base station, which is closer to the enemy.
          In short, the battle on air is serious.
          1. 0
            14 May 2024 11: 45
            Quote: futurohunter
            How do you imagine these restrictions?
            You can’t just take it and limit it directly.

            Those. its Can't turn off the network? After all, if it is turned off, then everything else will, by definition, be alien. I think I understand - the coverage area of ​​one tower is such that if you turn off all your towers covering the LBS, then most of the rear, pre-front territory will be affected, right?
            1. +1
              14 May 2024 11: 57
              There is one problem. A radio signal cannot be directly taken and limited to some line on the ground or on a map)) The front line does not pass so far from populated areas where people live and cellular operators work. The reception range of radio waves depends on many factors: the number and height of base station antennas, terrain, the presence of obstacles between subscribers and operators, the sensitivity of telephone receivers and the power of their radiation, weather and atmospheric conditions, etc.
              As far as I understand, in good conditions the signal can be caught at a distance of up to 30-40 km from the tower. Therefore, in fact, you are proposing to simply turn off all cellular communications in front-line settlements. But why? Now many services, and people, can no longer do without communications. Yes, even calling an ambulance after a shelling, or another emergency service, will not be possible without a mobile phone.
              Moreover, there is no adequate replacement for cellular communications. A satellite phone is too expensive, and its signal is more powerful than that of a cell phone and is easier to detect (remember that Dudayev was discovered and eliminated precisely by the satellite phone signal). Woki-toki, CB, and similar wearable devices have too short a range. And they are open to everyone - listen to whoever you want. Anything more than 5 km and not cellular is too bulky and inaccessible to ordinary people
              1. 0
                14 May 2024 12: 39
                Quote: futurohunter

                in good conditions, the signal can be caught at a distance of up to 30-40 km from the tower. Therefore, in fact, you are proposing to simply turn off all cellular communications in front-line settlements. But why? Now many services, and people, can no longer do without communications. Yes, even calling an ambulance after a shelling, or another emergency service, will not be possible without a mobile phone.
                Moreover, there is no adequate replacement for cellular communications.

                Yes, I already understood, thank you. For some reason, there was a pattern in my head that the tower operates within a radius of a couple of kilometers, and that’s all. It’s just an example of network density in a metropolis, which led to an erroneous assessment.
                1. 0
                  14 May 2024 14: 34
                  In megacities the network is overloaded. Each tower is designed for a certain number of connected subscribers, and a certain number of connections between towers. The number of people in the city is constantly growing, I really notice that even in Moscow, not far from my house, there seems to be a network, but the call does not go through. But there is a highway and traffic flow nearby. That's why they keep putting up new towers. In rural areas, the population density is lower, and towers can be located at a distance of up to 10-15 km from each other - just enough to cling to each other and provide subscribers with a stable signal. I caught a cellular signal even on a passenger plane, at flight level, but there was no connection
                  1. 0
                    14 May 2024 15: 42
                    Quote: futurohunter
                    In megacities the network is overloaded. Each tower is designed for a certain number of connected subscribers, and a certain number of connections between towers. The number of people in the city is constantly growing, I really notice that even in Moscow, not far from my house, there seems to be a network, but the call does not go through. But there is a highway and traffic flow nearby. That's why they keep putting up new towers. In rural areas the population density is lower,

                    In addition to the number of connections, there is another factor of the metropolis - the permeability of the building, the density of which requires additional emitters. Therefore, your call may not go through in some places. But most likely the network is from one operator, and the phone is connected to another.
                    1. +1
                      14 May 2024 17: 32
                      There are many factors. And not only transparency - microwave radio waves are reflected from houses and terrain objects - the so-called multipath propagation, which creates additional interference.
                      I have an obvious network overload near the road, where there are a lot of cars, and each one has a phone, or even more than one))
                      About different operators. At least in Russia. Firstly, the towers now do not belong to the operators - they rent the infrastructure - it’s more profitable)) There may be agreements on inter-network roaming between infrastructure operators - so we can connect to a variety of towers, a variety of owners))
                      At the front and in the front-line zone the situation is somewhat different. There are one or two wrong operators there, most likely one or two wrong ones, plus there are also fake operators on both sides. Whoever has the stronger signal is right)) And it is quite possible that “our device” got hooked on an enemy operator - you won’t always find out about this.
  23. +1
    10 May 2024 19: 36
    The decision is made by a person, and machines will begin to calculate the implementation options and do the grunt work... And the person will turn into a Teletubby and will not be able to make decisions :0)
  24. -1
    10 May 2024 20: 47
    The issue of interception of control has been resolved to some extent. An explosive device is installed inside the drone, which is triggered if the control information does not contain certain data that identifies the system as friend or foe.
  25. 0
    11 May 2024 07: 56
    Quote: PavelT
    Yes that's right. But those at the top don’t understand this, damn it...
    Again we see some kind of strange wait-and-see attitude: they successfully hit the energy of the Ruins and... instead of finishing it off, they are waiting for something. Then, apparently, they will beat, as they write in the news, “in response”...
    And Putin himself, openly, says in the media that the Ukrainian energy sector was not attacked in the winter because of “humanistic considerations.” What's stupider: avoiding hitting your opponent or talk about it so openly in the media???
    Everyone is waiting and afraid of the adversaries’ strike on the Crimean Bridge. But it’s weak to hit the ukrov bridges across the Dnieper...
    All this is strange.
    In my opinion, there are several explanations: betrayal of some of the elites, the brains of the elite (all of them) filled with humanism and globalism, agreements, indirect bribes.
    And the hope from the end of 2022 (approximately) is for this “strategy”: we no longer mobilize into the army, we treat captured Ukrainians well, and they forcibly mobilize everyone and therefore one day they will all begin to surrender and rebel in the rear against mobilization in APU... Well, well.
    In 6-7 years, maybe this strategy will work.
    Or maybe not.

    Well, yes, of course, you know better than those who “sit on top”, it’s always like this - you can see better from the sofa.
  26. 0
    11 May 2024 12: 01
    Here Newton's laws must be read.
    If drones have dramatically changed the nature of combat operations, anti-drone systems will be rapidly developed and implemented, including, of course, unmanned ones. See Robert Sheckley's The Guardian Bird.
    And drones have a lot of vulnerabilities.
    With cool drones, oddly enough, the price limits their use, the losses of such devices for 30 green lams or more are sensitive, and they may not give an effect even at their price. As the prodigy of Karabakh 2020, “Bayraktar” has already sharply lost its meaning and image in Ukraine 2022.
    The second is again the price, but in relation to functionality. Stuffing a drone with fast closed communications, AI (essentially a computer), multiple sensors and targeting and weapon systems is expensive and affects weight/size/range/power. Here the goal should be expedient to use up a dozen or two of these drones. Otherwise it’s like from Patriot to Geraniums.
    Third, of course, are control channels. All radio channels are suppressed, or even susceptible to interception by electronic warfare from below, laser channels are unsuitable due to the capriciousness of the conditions (line of sight, just visibility of the atmosphere), wire, like early ATGMs, is only possible at a kilometer distance. The satellite, yes, created a problem, you can’t crush a narrow beam from the zenith from below, but... you can aim the strongest interference from above, from an airship, for example, from top to bottom, then no Staplink will be able to receive anything.
    As for targeting by satellite or vision, it can be solved completely. Satellite signals are clogged/distorted, landscapes and targets change and are camouflaged, including inflatable tanks, MLRS, and so on.
    Well, physically, drones are not yet protected in any way, both from kinetic damage and from entangling networks, especially from strong EMPs.
    In short, counteraction to drones will now develop faster than the drones themselves.
    Another revolution: firearms, artillery, machine guns, tanks, aviation, drones (and the Japanese use of kamikazes can also be attributed to a controversial variation of the same approach) will only expand the range of methods of combat operations, but cannot become a wunderwaffe in the armed struggle of the leading world powers.
    Even nuclear and thermonuclear weapons are gone. It became a very compelling argument that deterrence works quite well, you can at least ask Kim.
    But it didn’t become a superweapon that could defeat a comparable, or even weaker, opponent.
    1. 0
      13 May 2024 11: 55
      faterdom
      I agree with you, there is always a duel between “armor and projectile”.

      Cool drones, oddly enough, have a price that limits their use
      It all depends on who is fighting the war and who is financing it. In war, much more expensive equipment also burns. Again, expensive equipment that has been sitting in a warehouse, and even more so, has exhausted its service life, becomes sharply cheaper. Take the once expensive Phantom from the storage base - now it will cost a penny.

      Stuffing a drone with fast closed communications, AI (essentially a computer), multiple sensors and targeting systems and weapons is expensive and affects the weight
      Not true. Take a powerful modern smartphone. Almost everything you indicated is on it. The price is pennies. Weight – up to 300 grams.

      All radio channels are choke
      Radio channels are suppressed only pointwise, in a certain place and in a certain frequency band. I wrote earlier about methods of combating electronic warfare. I’ll add one more, the most banal one - increasing the power of transmitters to exceed the level of interference.

      laser channels are unsuitable due to capriciousness
      This does not prevent the use of laser target designation and guidance. It would be better to say that they have limitations. But this does not mean that it should be completely abandoned.

      you can target the strongest interference from above, from an airship, for example, from top to bottom
      An airship is a large and visible target. And if it radiates strongly, it will point the rocket at itself. I don’t see any technical obstacles to creating such a rocket.

      Well, the drones are physically protected in no way yet, both from kinetic damage and from entangling networks, especially from strong EMP
      It’s just that no one has protected them yet. For now it will do. If it is relevant, solutions will appear. The first planes were also made of sticks and rags.

      counteraction to drones will now develop faster than the drones themselves
      While it is difficult to fight drones, countermeasures will continue to evolve. Later, when any drone flies in the air for a couple of minutes, drones will begin to improve.

      cannot become a child prodigy
      The weak rely on the wunderwaffe. History has shown that the most complete weapons are not enough if there are few of them, and even if braver and more skillful people are fighting against you, and also with a better economy

      Even nuclear and thermonuclear weapons are gone
      It's just a type of weapon. And you need to be able to use any weapon in order to use its strengths, not expose yourself to weaknesses and not harm yourself

      In short, people fight anyway, any equipment is just a tool in their hands
  27. 0
    11 May 2024 20: 20
    Some kind of nonsense - “However, out of these millions, the human brain selects a dozen really workers. The machine evaluates everything” - the brain also assessed everything and chose what it needed. The machine works in exactly the same way, because it is created in the likeness of the brain. This means AI.
    The whole article is kind of "so-so".
  28. 0
    13 May 2024 08: 41
    Quote from barbos
    Don't freak out and take it for granted. A social graph has long been built for your profile on social networks (this is a mathematical term, not a title), and your cellular operator has a pattern of how you use your phone.

    And what does this have to do with artificial intelligence? The answer is nothing! In general, all scammers act in the same way - they introduce some obscure, vague terms, and then rummage through the pockets of unlucky simpletons.
    And one more thing, spare me your slavish terminology - there is no Middle Kingdom, there is the People’s Republic of China.
  29. 0
    13 May 2024 09: 58
    Don't underestimate AI and other advances in related fields; the progress is significant, and military action is only accelerating it.

    Neural networks, for example, are strong because they “learn,” that is, their ability to solve problems grows with the number of attempts, this is a change in the algorithm depending on experience.

    Advances have been made in the field of image recognition that make it possible to recognize a person in a crowd with high probability - these algorithms are already working in practice.

    Today, a drone, deprived of communications and GPS, cannot navigate the terrain and loses functionality, and tomorrow it will learn to determine its location “by the old man”, focusing on the terrain - and we will have a terrible enemy in the rear, completely autonomous.

    The economic component is also interesting - after all, replicating the algorithm does not cost a penny, programs are produced for free.

    Algorithms in everyday life have been making decisions without humans for a long time, we are accustomed to this, and this boundary is constantly shifting from humans to algorithms. The same thing happens with military algorithms, there is no difference.

    Even a simple mine on the road is an example when the algorithm decides to explode...
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    13 May 2024 20: 28
    The problem, regarding AI, at the current stage, in my opinion, is not to lose the “reins” of controlling AI from human hands, making it (AI) an independent, autonomous, self-reproducing and self-regulating system... The “Stop” button should always remain with the person, even a military man. AI should be, on the battlefield, an assistant to the commander, nothing more... About algorithms: their options, tolerances, exceptions and preferences, a person writes for AI. And the level of AI intervention in his life depends on the person...
  31. 0
    15 May 2024 15: 56
    Moreover, even in TV series they voice the new reality, as for example in the series “The Three-Body Problem” (a suitable series by the way). Where a British naval officer says about a quite formidable-looking destroyer that it is already useless scrap metal, and he would exchange it for a thousand drones. I think the future configuration of weapons, their use, and interaction have not yet been fully analyzed. Former science fiction becomes reality. For example, I (I like to fantasize, so what) would consider the possibility of creating structures (nanoparticles, bacteria, fungi) for spraying them over enemy locations, in order to cause accelerated corrosion of everything metal and more. For example, some types of fungi and mold are quite harmful to optics, electrical equipment, and electronics, and this is a fact. Methods of protection against such bacteria are now being studied, but who is preventing them from creating particularly aggressive ones for military purposes? Who wants to touch on the topic, here is the link: https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/biokorozziya-metallov-teoreticheskie-predstavleniya-metody-podavleniya