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BTR-T from the tank

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Heavy armored personnel carrier based tank The T-55 was first shown at the 2nd VTTV-97 exhibition in Omsk. Designing the car taking into account the heavy urban battles of the first Chechen campaign, the Omsk Design Bureau of Transport Engineering (KBTM) in a fairly short time designed and built a tracked armored personnel carrier, using the outdated T-55 medium tank for this chassis.

BTR-T from the tank


It should be noted that the work was carried out on its own initiative, at its own expense. The result was a combat vehicle that was not inferior in terms of overall protection, and in particular, in terms of mine protection, it was superior to the main battle tanks T-80 and T-90. The “tub” of the hull, the engine with the systems and the chassis remained the same. Installation on T-55 more advanced engines with power up to 690 HP and upgrading the undercarriage using lightweight support wheels made of aluminum alloy KBTM KB was carried out on other samples, and the development was not implemented on this product in order not to increase its final cost. The fighting compartment increased the height of the upper part of the tank hull and expanded the fenders. The steel boxes were continued above the shelves to the stern, additional fuel tanks were placed inside them, and the Tucha smoke grenade launchers were mounted on top.

Defensive weapons installed in a rotating turret on the roof of the hull. In fact, the weapons are not in the turret, but above it, the gunner is placed inside the protected compartment of the vehicle. Manages the weapons commander of the machine, located in the tower. For aiming, day, night and anti-aircraft sights are used. Since the “Competition” ATGM complex is transported inside the vehicle, and for firing it is mounted on a bracket outside the tower, the operator needs to lean out of the tower hatch to the waist when aiming. It is possible to use the ATGM separately from the machine, its tripod is transported in packing. A prototype was demonstrated at the Omsk exhibition at different times with various weapon systems. The 30-mm 2-42 cannon and the ATGM or the 12,7-mm Cliff and the ATGM.



The front part of the hull and side are covered with built-in dynamic protection units, which double the structure's durability against cumulative projectiles and ATGM combat units. In terms of steel equivalent, its thickness reaches 600 mm (in perspective - up to 1 m). Dynamic protection, developed at the Moscow Steel Research Institute, does not respond to the entry of conventional and large-caliber bullets, fragments and 30-mm projectiles. When one of the blocks is triggered, detonation is not transmitted to the neighboring ones. Protection against armor-piercing shells increased not so significantly - 1,2 times, but here it is necessary to take into account the tactics of using such vehicles BTR-T - not a tank, to go on the attack, but a highly protected vehicle designed to deliver soldiers to the battlefield. The lower part of the body is covered with anti-cumulative rubber-and-fabric screens, supplemented in the area of ​​the habitable part by steel screens, as on T-80U. The screens also perform the dust suppression function when the car is moving, which is important not only as a masking event, but also to maintain visibility from the inside of the car. The mine resistance of the hull was also increased by additional steel screens on the bottom (at one time, the T-55 and T-62 were modified in a similar way - from the experience of warfare in Afghanistan). The total mass of protection of the BTR-T is approximately equal to the mass of the turret with weapons at the base vehicle, the T-55, so the dynamic characteristics remain the same.

In addition to a crew of two, the BTR-T transports five infantrymen. The possibility of firing on the move for them is not provided, since its usefulness is questionable, which was the reason for refusing it in favor of enhancing protection. By the way, the same way is the modernization of technology in foreign countries. But the fighters have the opportunity to observe the surroundings through six surveillance devices, directed to the sides and back along the course of the car, timely informing the crew about the changing situation. For landing troops inside the machine are two reclining up massive hatch behind the habitable compartment, opening in the direction of the engine compartment (MTO). In the event of an assault landing under fire, they must also provide at least minimal protection from shelling from the front, and from the sides they will cover the box along the fences.
The name of the car "floated" - from the BTR-T to the patrol patrol car DPM and back, the first variant got accustomed. In the current conditions, the price of the “product” is also important, and in this case it was relatively low. T-55 were stored in sufficiently large quantities in warehouses, but their “livestock” was gradually exhausted all the same, either by cutting it into remelting, or by distributing it with a new “ friends ”(for example, apparently, no one was looking for the financial component in the transfer of tanks to the Afghan“ northern alliance ”, from the very beginning it was clear that there was nothing for Afghans to pay for - not in dollars from the sale of drugs, in fact.) Regarding the BTR- T appeared a whole series of Cree Tactical articles in which the authors rightly, in general, pointed out the flaws, they said, the landing was too small, the armament was rather weak. Someone demanded that the roof be protected dynamically, and others, on the contrary, wanted to remove the roof for a better view.



In the meantime, the army in Chechnya continued (and continues) to ride the BMP-1 / 2 and the 70 / -80 BTR, mostly on horseback, as their armor does not save anything from anything. There was no money for the release of at least an experimental batch of machines and their testing in a real situation. The Israelis, whose experience in the KBTM was probably taken into account, are in a state of prolonged armed conflict with the Palestinian population. In urban military operations, heavy tracked armored personnel carriers “Ahtsarit” are widely used, converted from medium-sized T-54 and T-55 tanks captured during previous Arab-Israeli conflicts. According to the Western press, the number of such cars reached almost a thousand! This is not surprising, considering that the first BTR of this type appeared already in 1987. From 44 t. Total weight of the machine more than 14 t. Accounted for protection, and armament consists of one remotely controlled machine gun FN 7,62 М240 (three more can be installed in the simplest mounts at the upper hatches, but you can shoot out of them only leaning at the waist The Detroit Diesel 8V071 TTA engine, in conjunction with the semi-automatic Allison XTG-411-4 transmission, enabled developers to re-build the MTO, providing space for the rear "tunnel" to ensure the safety of leaving the car under fire. However, for unlimited Americans Kie loans which not only naproektiruesh. We somehow have to come from their real possibilities, not wishful thinking to set "Arena" system, thermal imager, more powerful gun, mortar and MANPADS. And who will pay for all this "splendor"?



The BTR-T, remaining in a single copy, was used by the KBTM officers when traveling to the landfill as a super-passable "taxi". During the demonstration of new models of heavy flamethrower systems to the customer’s representatives, the car caught the eye of one of the generals of the chemical defense forces, who, having familiarized himself with the equipment more closely, immediately declared that he wanted the same, only better. Moreover, he managed to “break through” the financing of the new theme, and as a result a BMO-T flamethrower fighting machine appeared on the T-72 chassis. Until now, flamethrowers in battle were forced to move on the BMP, which deciphers as "infantry grave of the infantry", and even the additional stuffing of the "bumblebees" and undermined, guaranteed to destroy all life, not only in the car itself, but around.



The place of the tank tower was occupied by a larger cabin than on the BTR-T, covered in front and sides with built-in dynamic protection units. On the roof, instead of a specially designed turret, a standard commander's hatch with a turret for the 12,7 mm machine gun, used on "seventy doubles", was installed. Screens with elements of dynamic protection (like T-90) now cover the lower part of the case for almost the entire length. The increased height of armored ducts with additional fuel tanks on the futon shelves on the sides of the logistics procurement system increases the safety of leaving the car through the rear hatches. A kind of armored "trench", resulting from the cabin and the sides around the roof of the logistics, allows you to fire "Bumblebees", not dismounting. The sighting range is up to 600 m, and the maximum range up to 1000 m gives advantages in a battle with the defeat of pillboxes or firing points in urban areas. The production of BMO-T, conducted in Omsk, can be called small-scale. A certain interest in the car, which is constrained only by financial constraints, is also shown by the Ground Forces.
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  1. Mikhado
    Mikhado 17 November 2012 09: 23
    +23
    Oh, how many obsolete tanks could usefully be left in the ranks! Great car for local conflicts, especially for the North Caucasus. Armor. which many MRAPs can only dream of, cross-country ability, firing angles in the conditions of mountains and settlements, plus five pairs of eyes armed with optical devices. The number of fighters for special operations is more than enough, heels to the teeth of armed pros are strength, but on such a "taxi" !!!
    As they did not take care of the soldier from us, they continue, ride, dear, on a cardboard APC outside ...
    And outwardly, it turned out to be a very folding machine. In short, it is a pity that only the flamethrowers "broke off", the ATP to their commander.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 17 November 2012 11: 59
      +5
      Israel has long been engaged in sim. Napirimer Ahzarit
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 17 November 2012 12: 04
        +6
        klimpopov
        I did. Today personnel units are being re-equipped with Namer.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 November 2012 12: 21
          0
          Is Namer a new car or an upgrade? I'm just not strong on armor.
        2. bask
          bask 17 November 2012 12: 29
          +9
          ,, Intention ,, This is an armored personnel carrier-T based on the tank ,, Merkava ,, And they are armed not only with heavy, tank, brigades, but also with combined arms units. ((infantry))) The tzahal doesn’t have any lungs at all, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, I say Aron bluntly? Yes or no.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 17 November 2012 12: 35
            0
            Well, as I understand it, he is needed to support the infantry, but you won’t put a lot of people around, right?
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 17 November 2012 12: 37
              +6
              klimpopov
              In Namer 13 people. In Ahzarit 12.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 17 November 2012 12: 48
                +1
                Oh, how, so I thought it was simply impossible to place such a number of people there, I wonder how it was possible to achieve this ... Thanks for the respected answers.
          2. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 17 November 2012 12: 38
            +1
            bask
            Right.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 17 November 2012 19: 35
              -1
              I do not agree here. M113 where we take?
          3. Pimply
            Pimply 17 November 2012 19: 34
            0
            There is. M113. They can be considered a light APC.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 18 November 2012 00: 05
              +4
              Pimply
              M113 is a second line machine. Those. Armored bus. They are not allowed closer to the front line than 1,5 km. Neither in 2006, nor in 2009.
        3. Pimply
          Pimply 17 November 2012 19: 33
          +2
          By the way, saw new photos of Namerov? They added a turret.
          1. Professor
            Professor 17 November 2012 21: 30
            0
            These are Ahzaris, not intentions.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 17 November 2012 23: 01
              -2
              Oh, I stepped. By machine guns I should have understood
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 18 November 2012 00: 12
                0
                Pimply
                What does the machine gun have to do with it? MTO wink .
        4. Nick
          Nick 18 November 2012 00: 33
          +1
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Today personnel units are being re-equipped with Namer.

          Yes, a big target ... smile
      2. Nubia2
        Nubia2 17 November 2012 13: 29
        +3
        Quote: klimpopov
        Napirimer Ahzarit

        Not just him.
        They have one of their favorite pastimes - remaking old tanks into heavy armored personnel carriers.
        Ahzarit - our t-shki,
        Nagmashot, Nakpadon - on the basis of Centurion
        Puma - Centurion with a suspension of the 2nd Merkava.
        And somehow it turns out more successfully.
        1. Sirozha
          Sirozha 22 November 2012 15: 40
          +1
          Well, a very correct approach, it seems to me! Why transfer gas in autogenes to cut, if you can remake working machines, moreover, more or less successfully!
  2. IlyaKuv
    IlyaKuv 17 November 2012 09: 49
    +3
    Good car, I wonder if they will buy or again prefer Western indecency?
  3. Maks111
    Maks111 17 November 2012 09: 58
    +3
    Remaking old tanks in infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers is a brilliant idea. We need to develop this project. Although, for armored personnel carriers, of course, not enough.
    1. bask
      bask 17 November 2012 11: 03
      +6
      The idea is ingenious and most importantly cheap. T55, T62.T72 in Russia, thousands. Armored personnel carriers were exhibited at the exhibition in 97. But I did not hear more than one combat use of these machines in the 2nd Chechen company. Although for 3 years from 97 to 99 you can It was to make thousands, copies. HOW MUCH LIFE THE SOLDIERS COULD SAVE ??????? They didn’t put more than one armored personnel carrier in the warring forces .. Here is the attitude to the lives of Russian soldiers ....
      1. MakSim51ru
        MakSim51ru 19 November 2012 20: 46
        0
        Do not redo it, but initially create it.
  4. Tirpitz
    Tirpitz 17 November 2012 11: 08
    +1
    great article. need to take an example from israel
  5. sergey69
    sergey69 17 November 2012 11: 18
    +8
    Israel has extensive experience in processing T-55 tanks in the Ahzarit armored personnel carrier
    . They have something to learn.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 17 November 2012 12: 14
      +1
      I wrote my post, I forgot to click add, it turned out that I duplicated your comment. excuse me hi
    2. Nubia2
      Nubia2 17 November 2012 13: 24
      +3
      Quote: sergey69
      They have something to learn.

      That's right.
      Something doesn’t work for ours.
      In our department even does not fit completely. And it seems to be intended for this.
      Learn more and learn .. from those who succeed.
      1. avdkrd
        avdkrd 17 November 2012 20: 42
        +11
        It's not that it doesn't work, it's just that it's really not an armored personnel carrier. This is an option how to competently and very cheaply remake obsolete tanks. Unlike the Israeli ones, the layout of the BTR-T was not changed, the engine was left behind, which is why the neutered landing compartment. Our marketers f furnace. This vehicle can be promoted as a convoy escort vehicle, a fire support vehicle (if modular weapons are made), but not as a heavy armored personnel carrier. In heavy armored personnel carriers, the Kharkovites have advanced much further, with their own version of a heavy armored personnel carrier based on the T-64, and there is also a wheeled version. Made on the knee, as an initiative development, without funding from the budget of Ukraine, but very true conceptually.
  6. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 17 November 2012 11: 25
    +6
    BTR-T (TBMP) as a weapon class is necessary. And now and immediately ... Now the main thing is to gain experience in operating and using such a machine directly in the troops ...
    In principle, so far it will be possible to dispense with the base of outdated (T-55 and T-62) or outdated (T-64 and T-72) tanks. But in the future, the BTR-T (TBMP) base should be as unified as possible with the base of the MBT that is in service ...

    However, the second and third pictures show not the BTR-T at all, but the BMPT "Frame99" (which for some reason everyone stubbornly continues to call in the bourgeois manner "Terminator"). Disorder however ...
    But the author doesn't care "+" ... smile
    1. bask
      bask 17 November 2012 11: 48
      +4
      Chicot Why only BTR-T on the base ((T55 T62)))). There is also ,, sea ,, GSH GM-123 ACS ,, Aquation ,, "ACS ,, Geatsint ,, Mortar ,, Tulip ,, and other Mass 27. tons, carrying capacity of 12 tons. FEED entrance. Strengthen the anti-mine reservation, put, 2nd bottom, Modern DZ and BTR-S are not worse in terms of security than on the T 55 base. And in terms of maneuverability and speed. The Poles did the same on the Ural Wagon. plant MT-S. weight 27 tons BMP-BWP-200 Back in 97 year. It is necessary on the basis of all these GSh and tank chassis To establish a mass production of BTR-T, BTR-S Dyoshego, protected and already in 12-13 years. until the age of 20, you still need to wait ...
      1. Splin
        Splin 17 November 2012 12: 20
        +2
        Heavy infantry fighting vehicles are needed for tank units, but the BTR-T will not work. We need cars that will replace the bash on the BMP-2 bash - without increasing the fleet of vehicles.
        1. bask
          bask 17 November 2012 12: 40
          0
          Splin Heavy BTR-T and BTR-S are needed not only ,, heavy ,, tank units. But also to all motorized rifle formations. Conducting stripping in the city and mountains. And now in the anti-terrorist war in the S. Caucasus. I already wrote about replacing the BMP-2. This is a BTR-S based on the GM-123 main gearbox with aft input. And the MT-S main gearbox. The Polish version of the BMP BWP-200. These BMPs can be used to replace the entire BMP-20 fleet until 2 ..
        2. Kars
          Kars 17 November 2012 13: 30
          +2
          Quote: Splin
          machines that replace the bash on the BMP-2 bash - without increasing the fleet.

          What is there about the 64x after the exercises do not hear anything?
          1. Splin
            Splin 17 November 2012 13: 44
            +3
            Heard. She successfully passed military tests in Chuguev, but was not allowed to participate in the "Perspective -2012". There was just a personal conflict between the director of KHBTRZ and the leadership of Ukroboronprom, about old debts for spare parts for BM Bulaty. And everything that was shown on the Perspective received admission to production. Even the BTR-3 is likely to be adopted. And they will bring all seventy to the level of the BTR-.7. So BMPT-64 and T-64E have flown so far.
          2. bask
            bask 17 November 2012 15: 18
            +3
            Well done Kharkovites. They compiled an interesting BMPT-64. An interesting idea., Leave the MTO in the stern, like the T64-, and then, deploy the hull ... And make aft entrance. + 12 landing troops. About BMPT-K-64 on wheels., Of course, a very crude machine. And transmission on, hydrostatic drives. This is not serious. If you want to save the reserved space. You have to do it, electromechanical traction But the very concept of embodiment is just brilliant .... Here you are in fact through simple and inexpensive manipulation-modernization. Create a BMP-T. Yes, still in the course of implementation to have SEP technology On caterpillar and on wheels !!! I take off my hat to the genius of Kharkov ...
    2. Eric
      Eric 17 November 2012 12: 41
      +1
      T-72 - no one will give them to you from the storage bases, that's all as much as you like.
  7. Alekseev
    Alekseev 17 November 2012 11: 28
    +2
    The need to stupidly not send outdated tanks and other BTTs to remelting, but to upgrade them into heavy armored personnel carriers and other vehicles is not new.
    They have been shouting about this for many years.
    But to whom to hear? Personalities who were at the helm in the Moscow Region are widely known ...
    But, by the way, I know how to get things moving!
    We must entrust Oboronservice! lol
  8. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 17 November 2012 11: 36
    +5
    The article is very informative. The only remark I will allow. The development of "Akhzarit" began in 1984 and was intended, of course, not against the Palestinians, who then had little small arms, but to overcome the Syrian fortifications. The experience of action in 1982 showed that lagging light armored personnel carriers on the battlefield from tanks creates significant problems. Therefore, it was decided to create a heavily armored armored personnel carrier.
  9. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 17 November 2012 12: 35
    +3
    The idea is actually absolutely correct. The "heavy" brigades must have uniform equipment. Namely, on the platform of the existing MBT, a heavy infantry fighting vehicle should be made, which at the same time can solve the issues of supporting tanks in combat order to support dismounted soldiers by hitting enemy manpower, tank-hazardous targets, including helicopters. Moreover, a beautiful and powerful combat module "Bakhcha-U" has been made, the use of such a module on a heavy infantry fighting vehicle will unify the fighting compartment with light airborne infantry fighting vehicles (D).
    1. bask
      bask 17 November 2012 18: 21
      +2
      Ak-74-1. On such BTR-ah-T, it is desirable that the combat module be uninhabited. That would not be ,,,, to seduce ,, the reserved space. AGS ,, Flame ,, 12,7,, Cord ,, In the most times. ,, Bahcha-U ,, is probably better suited to the BTR-S based on the GM GM 123. There are more of the covered space ....
      1. avdkrd
        avdkrd 17 November 2012 20: 56
        +3
        such a competent judgment is rare. For some reason, our gunsmiths have a different opinion and are striving to combine an infantry fighting vehicle (armored personnel carrier) and a fire support vehicle, plus that would float and fly. As a result, we have what we have. All infantry delivery vehicles should have only the so-called self-defense weapons - machine guns and AGSs, by the way, the Jews think that way, because it is very difficult for a vehicle to simultaneously choose a position for the effective use of a more serious set of weapons and the safe delivery of troops. Fire support should be handled by specialized vehicles. BMPT "Frame" is a very compromise vehicle and its combat stability and efficiency are in great doubt, but the direction is correct - to create specialized vehicles on the chassis of the main tank that are guaranteed to better cope with the goals that are currently assigned to the BMP (armored personnel carrier)
  10. Professor
    Professor 17 November 2012 13: 36
    +3
    I have the only complaint to the BTR-T developers. Did they try to dismount him? Even if not on the go. They will be put out of small arms.
  11. Oles
    Oles 17 November 2012 13: 49
    0
    the landing will climb up ... here d \\\ us ..... everything .. you can not read further .. let the developers themselves drop above ...
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 17 November 2012 15: 51
      +5
      Do not be so implacable.
      And if, in a battle in the city, the enemy fires from behind, then how to land?
      The landing should have various options for dismounting. And this is technically possible. For example, a rising armored shield or a hatch that protects from the front, deploy the engine along the axis of the machine, as in Israel, so that there is space for going back. It would be a desire.
      The main thing is that there is a fundamental possibility to successfully convert old tanks into heavy armored personnel carriers and thereby save the lives of our soldiers.
      There is also the opportunity to export such equipment, all the more profitable than cutting into metal.
      They just don’t want to do it. The feldmebel himself with the women and a few loyal generals will not be transported to the armored personnel carrier. And it’s easier to cut money on the sale of real estate than to engage in modernization and export
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  13. andrey9031
    andrey9031 17 November 2012 16: 31
    +1
    All hope for Shoigu and Rogozin
  14. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 17 November 2012 16: 54
    +2
    The idea itself is simply magnificent, but the implementation let us down - we must think and think!
    And who limits the design in height? It is quite possible to add, the volume will increase, it may become more convenient to land ...
    And the Javrean constructions are wretched enough - God forbid them better anti-tank systems, then we will see how successfully this was implemented! And with an almost unarmed adversary, it’s uncountable ...
    1. de_monSher
      de_monSher 17 November 2012 20: 41
      +2
      And the Javrean constructions are quite miserable - God forbid them better anti-tank systems


      Well ... I don’t know ... to the Jewish comrades, plus a big one, for the fact that they offered the concept itself - excellent. And the fact that the guys survived and still keep in such a hostile environment is worth respect. Still, you should not confuse the guys from Israel, and people of the same nationality - from Wall Street ... But their opponents are nevertheless well armed. The main thing is that the brains are "patched" with theological "truths" about the impossibility of Israel's existence until the Last Judgment ... *) and this is the most powerful weapon - the one that is ideological ... *)
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 17 November 2012 21: 28
      -2
      Almost unarmed? 8) Ek, you are enough
  15. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 17 November 2012 17: 20
    0
    Brother Sarych
    "Akhzarit" of course today looks relatively outdated, but please remember that it is over 30 years old. Secondly, he underwent modernization in armor and in communication and in MTO. During the VLV "Akhzarit" showed itself very well and you must agree that Hezbollah had enough ATGMs.
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  17. Dikremnij
    Dikremnij 17 November 2012 19: 55
    +2
    I wonder how much the conversion of the T-55 to the BTR-T costs. Probably not a small amount + now a new Armata platform is being created, which will also include heavy infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. Therefore, I believe that it is cheaper to upgrade the existing BMP and armored personnel carriers. Moreover, this type of machine, if adopted, will be used by motorized infantry battalions of tank and heavy motorized infantry brigades.
  18. alex86
    alex86 17 November 2012 21: 08
    +2
    I would say that while maintaining the layout (MTO at the back), the placement of an assault in the T-55 case is impractical, but re-equipment like BMPT with a possible increase in the crew with additional operator (s) of guidance of any type of weapon would make sense.
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    1. Mikhado
      Mikhado 17 November 2012 23: 30
      0
      So, right now it’s too late - this is the development of the 90s, but for the Chechen would be a couple of hundred would be appropriate.
      Landing from above - you can make the rising shields, it’s cheaper than reworking the ITO in Israeli.
  20. Splin
    Splin 17 November 2012 21: 16
    +3
    Ours caught up with heavy infantry fighting vehicles. As always late. In Kharkov, he is designing a new BMP based on the T-80 or BM Oplot.
    1. orfo
      orfo 17 November 2012 22: 45
      0
      http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/land-forces/208-main-battle-tanks-armour-tech
      science-176.html

      you +, interesting photos on the link, but in general, yes, some "abortions" we get from tanks. As I understand it, the engine is installed in front.
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    1. bask
      bask 18 November 2012 09: 02
      +1
      rudolf Ukrainians well done, no doubt. Made a wonderful BTR-T -64 .. Now, judging by the picture Splina is still more perfect on the basis of the T80. The main technology for remodeling, modernization, penny, MTO is left in place, and the tank is deployed, Attaching an armored tank to the stern ((former bow). And all proctically without money. What should Russia upgrade their tanks ???? Why do they constantly mold MTO into the stern. ??? ... I think the BTR-90 could be similarly re-organized. In Ukraine, the BTR-4. And we have not implemented the project, "Sleeve", ... wait 15-20 years. An abandoned, requiring the disposal of thousands and thousands of equipment .. Here is a budget savings. And highly protected armored vehicles in 12-13 years ... And so there are some promises. And the total stolen theft ((corruption))) About sordat, lives, by and large, no one thinks ....
      1. Splin
        Splin 18 November 2012 10: 36
        +1
        The heavy infantry fighting vehicle created on the basis of the 80s is most likely to be exported as a competitor to other heavy infantry fighting vehicles. Therefore, it is designed more carefully. There is no banal unfolding of the muzzle. The composition of the armor is new as that of BM Oplot. Chassis lengthened. adding a skating rink like MSTA-S. In fact, this is a new combat platform, on the basis of which you can create everything, up to artillery with a length of 47-55 cal
        And the BMPT-64 platform will go easier for itself. And self-propelled guns modernize 2С3, putting a new howitzer with a length of 39 cal., 3TD-4 engine, a new sending mechanism (6-7 rpm) and a digital control system associated with GPS and GLONAS.
        1. bask
          bask 18 November 2012 12: 47
          0
          Splin agrees that the platform based on the T-80 is penetrated much better. The landing capsule is not from separate, welded pieces of armor like on the BTR-T-64, but with single armored plates welded in the corners. And an additional skating rink will increase the hull. . I repeat, but that Russian companies releasing armored vehicles do something similar.?
          1. Splin
            Splin 18 November 2012 13: 14
            +1
            Quote: bask
            that Russian companies releasing armored vehicles do something similar.?

            Maybe they are doing something, but this is not in the open press. Photos of this corps of the Kharkov BMP are also a year ago. Everything else is under the category of secrecy. Only pieces of information.
            1. Kars
              Kars 18 November 2012 13: 31
              0
              Quote: Splin
              Maybe they’re doing something,

              More like ... they are waiting for Armata ..

              as for BMP 84 (Oplot), it’s more likely to be just some time for the future if the bagaty client comes across for the assortment as well.
              It is necessary to push the tandem BM Bulat + BMP 64, inexpensively and angrily. But how can the Africans be told that if the index is less, then it does not mean that the equipment is worse (72> 64) And we have to float the reserves of 64 and maybe something will get into the troops. Afghan generals came, it was Bulat who watched.
              1. Splin
                Splin 18 November 2012 13: 50
                0
                They watched Bulat - because we can’t show anything else en masse. And there it was a miniature - a tank company in the offensive. The only country that was really interested in BM Bulat was Indonesia. And then because of the chassis. Some T - 72UA1 are also close relatives of Bulat. But all the same, one should not entertain oneself with illusions. 64-ku no one will buy Illiterate blacks and Afghans do not understand it. They need something more elemental. BM Bulat and the cheaper T-64E our cross and not so rotten (in any case, corresponds to the tanks of the region). If you transfer all the teams to them. until that BM Stronghold in mass will wait!
                1. Kars
                  Kars 18 November 2012 14: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Splin
                  do not entertain yourself with illusions. 64-ku no one will buy

                  Hope is dying of the last. And why are the Egyptians better than blacks? And how do they exploit the abrams. So maybe it will burn out, especially since the reserves of the 72nd still run out.
  22. Algerd
    Algerd 18 November 2012 00: 02
    +2
    Great idea! how many indestructible cases roll around abandoned! for such machines, you can think about the issue of fuel economy. Great idea!
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    1. Splin
      Splin 18 November 2012 15: 17
      0
      BMPT-64 is a real landing vehicle with a compartment for 12 people and a non-residential module.
      PS The fact is that in Ukraine all such and mechanized brigades are armed with T-64B (BV) or BM Bulat. There is also a manned regiment of the operational reserve with the T-80.
      So the BMP based on the T-64A is a good option.
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    1. Splin
      Splin 18 November 2012 15: 45
      +1
      BTMP-84 here it is:

      Collected in the early 2000s in one copy. And he is not interesting to anyone. But BMPT-80 (the name is conditional) is similar in layout to BMPV-64K, only the armored capsule is better. Therefore, a way out to the fur back is possible.
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    1. Splin
      Splin 18 November 2012 16: 03
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      Ask those who rode a 64-ke. To remove two shells is a simple matter, but the passage is wide. You can take out the wounded. And the passage at the T-72 is quite narrow.
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    1. Lieutenant colonel
      Lieutenant colonel 19 November 2012 02: 22
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      That's right - MV is a driver mechanic and not some sort of vodmeh! The prepared MV is not afraid of lowering the barrel onto the hatch - there is an exit through AZ (72,90) or MZ (80) - I walked with my 185 cm and 90 kg (then still), slightly touching the "ledges". The main tank for the T-80AS school.
      1. Splin
        Splin 19 November 2012 02: 34
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        Quote: Reserve lieutenant colonel
        I walked with my 185 cm and 90 kg (then still), slightly touching the "ledges". The main tank for the T-80AS school.


        How did you get it? At 182, I was denied even a tank engineer. Younger brother (181) too. Dad was upset that the chain of tankers was lost grandfather-son-grandson. Although it’s really possible to crawl in our tanks with such growth. I have a friend. Urgent, before the school was MV with a height of 186 cm!
  27. Comrade1945
    Comrade1945 18 November 2012 22: 44
    -1
    Armature in operation, junk on armored personnel carriers. In my opinion, everything is obvious. laughing
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  29. Bosk
    Bosk 19 November 2012 23: 57
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    In fact, the idea of ​​an assault armored personnel carrier based on a tank appeared long ago ...... if only a smart head had given the command to remake old tanks into armored personnel carriers ... it would have saved lives ...
    1. Splin
      Splin 20 November 2012 00: 03
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      The German "Marder" is a heavy infantry fighting vehicle.
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  31. Tourist Breakfast
    Tourist Breakfast 20 November 2012 12: 59
    +2
    Meanwhile, on the border with Gaza:
  32. Bars90
    Bars90 19 December 2012 00: 19
    +1
    Such a machine would be very useful to our aircraft