Rush hour. China's sea power

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Rush hour. China's sea power


The American Nimitz class aircraft carrier was hit by two hits of Dongfeng 21 ballistic missiles. The warheads of rockets at a speed five times faster than the speed of sound pierced the flight armored deck and the six lower decks of the aircraft carrier, destroying all posts, cockpits and storages in its path. With a terrible blow, the main pipe-toothed aggregates were thrown out of their seats - the once formidable warship was now powerlessly dead in the middle of the ocean, swallowed by radioactive steam from the broken contours of a nuclear steam generating plant. Through bursting fuel lines whip elastic jets of kerosene, instantaneously ignite from sparks of damaged electrical wiring. The roar of the flames of burning aviation fuel resounds in the steel womb of the doomed ship, and cold water rushing and bubbling along the lower decks of the aircraft carrier, cold water rolls over - reaching the bottom, the warheads of Chinese missiles turned upside down the armored flooring.

The “sinking” of an American aircraft carrier took place last year in the Gobi Desert, on the border with Mongolia. Chinese rocket men fired at a concrete platform imitating the shape of an American super-ship.

According to Chinese sources, the “Dongfeng 21 mod. D ”is an integral part of the anti-ship rocket and space system, from orbital reconnaissance satellites and the ground-based rocket complex itself, capable of destroying sea targets at a distance of 2700 kilometers from the coast of the People's Republic of China. The composition of the space group includes three types of satellites:

- Yaogan VII optical-electronic reconnaissance satellite,

- Yaogan VIII active radar satellite,

- six satellites of electronic reconnaissance Yaogan IX and Yaogan XVI.

The onboard equipment of the RTR satellites conducts radio interception of negotiations between American sailors and, taking into account the time delay, determines the approximate location of the squadron of the US Navy. To clarify the coordinates of an aircraft carrier, data from optical or radar data acquisition equipment is used. According to the Chinese, their orbital group is now in its infancy and will continue to evolve over time.

Direct hit!

The most questions are caused by the behavior of warheads of rockets in the final segment of the trajectory — to hit a moving aircraft carrier, phenomenal accuracy and continuous correction using external means are required. The Dunfen warhead enters the dense atmosphere at a speed ten times faster than the speed of sound! How the Chinese managed to solve the problem of communication with the apparatus, flying in a continuous cloud of hot plasma - still remains a mystery.

"Chinese service" was appreciated abroad. Former US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates openly stated that “among all the Chinese developments, the fifth-generation aircraft design and the Dongfeng-21 anti-ship complex are of the greatest concern. The Washington Times newspaper, in turn, led analysts to say that the Chinese ballistic missile is “the first threat to the global dominance of the US Navy since the end of the Cold War.”

Chinese aircraft carriers

Before building their own aircraft carrier, the Chinese purchased four foreign aircraft carriers to study:

- The former Australian aircraft carrier "Melbourne". An old British ship launched in the 1945 year and served a surprisingly long time in the Navy of the two countries. Was sold for cutting to China in 1985 year. The Chinese dismantled the "Melbourne" to screw and thoroughly acquainted with the design of the aircraft carrier.

- Former Soviet aircraft carrying cruisers of 1143 and 1143.2 projects - “Kiev” and “Minsk”. Strange hybrids with rocket armament and a short flight deck designed for the base of aircraft with vertical takeoff and landing. Chinese experts have carefully studied the design of the Soviet aircraft-carrying cruisers and made the appropriate conclusions. From the construction of the Chinese analogues of "Kiev" and "Minsk" refused.


Entertainment complex Minsk World in the harbor of Shenzhen, China


- the unfinished Soviet aircraft carrying cruiser "Varyag" with a solid flight deck and a bow ramp. The ship hull with 67% ready was sold to Chong Lot Travel Agency Ltd, a Chinese entertainment corporation, for only $ 20 million dollars (1 / 700 from the price of a modern American aircraft carrier like Ford!) With the promise to turn the ship into a floating casino.

The Americans were the first to sound the alarm - for a year and a half, Turkey, under pressure from the USA, broke the comedy, refusing to let the Varyag core pass through the Bosphorus. However, the Chinese showed exceptional perseverance - in March 2002, Varyag nevertheless arrived in Dalian (the former name is Far, the legendary place of the Russian-Japanese war, in 40 km from Port Arthur). Ten years later, September 25 2012, the former Soviet aircraft carrier was accepted into the Navy of the People’s Liberation Army of China under the name "Liaoning", becoming the largest warship of the PLA Navy.

But, despite the undoubted success, the Chinese sailors and sea pilots have much to learn - now they have everything: an aircraft carrier, a J-15 carrier-based aircraft (an unlicensed copy of the Su-33 multirole fighter), and a crew of carrier-based pilots aviation, funds for the construction of a second ship and all the necessary technology. They even learned to land on a ship! But the Chinese do not have the main thing - the experience of using this system in combat conditions. And indeed, the experience of operating an aircraft carrier and carrier-based aircraft leaves much to be desired. However, the Chinese have repeatedly proved themselves to be capable students, and many foreign experts agree that Liaoning is not so much a combat unit as a training ground for developing the necessary skills and technologies.

The second question related to the Chinese aircraft carrier is still open - where did the brave Chinese sailors gather on it and with whom are they going to fight? The main geopolitical adversary - Japan, is located in the area of ​​operation of land-based aircraft. Is the adversary Russia? But China borders on Russia, and therefore has a common 3000-kilometer border; it obviously requires a completely different technique than aircraft carriers. Putting one Liaoning against 10 US Navy carriers is crazy. Using an aircraft carrier against Vietnam, with which China has a number of small insoluble problems? In this case, the capacity of the aircraft carrier looks clearly excessive. It turns out that Liaoning is nothing more than a symbol of the increasing power of the Chinese fleet, a status ship for a proud demonstration of the flag of a superpower.

Destroyers and frigates

The PLA Navy has twenty-six destroyers, divided by purpose into three large groups: multipurpose destroyers, anti-submarine destroyers and air defense destroyers. Obviously, the Chinese shipbuilders have so far failed to build a universal destroyer destroyer that fully satisfies the basic requirements of the PLA Navy application concept. A significant part of the ships - nine units - outdated destroyers (frigates) Type 051, with a small displacement (3600 tons) and the same outdated weapons.

Four more ships, so-called. "Anti-ship destroyers" - the destroyers of the project 956 from the Russian Navy, equipped with a deadly complex "Mosquito". Serious ships for serious tasks.

Very interesting is the modern project of the Chinese destroyer Type 51С (built by the 2 of the ship) - a small 7000-ton squadron destroyer with predominantly Soviet / Russian weapons: the Chinese managed to place on board the Type 51С 48 anti-aircraft missiles of the C-300FM complex, as well as 8 anti-ship missiles and anti-ship missiles and anti-ship missiles and anti-ship missiles. additional weapons - from a helicopter hangar to an artillery system caliber 100 mm. It turned out cheap, without any frills, but quite modern and efficient ship, capable of providing high-quality air defense squadron in the open sea.


Destroyer Type 051С "Liuzhou". The covers of the launchers of the C-300 complex are clearly visible.


Recently, the Chinese almost annually build several new destroyers. And all for different projects! On the one hand, this is a very dubious decision, complicating the operation of such a "ragtag" fleet. However, the quality of Chinese ships is rapidly increasing over and over again, which is bound to cause some concern.

The Chinese also have a whole armada of cool frigates - 48 units. From small and old Type 53 (built in 70-s) to the most modern stealth frigates Type 54A: a wide range of anti-ship and anti-submarine weapons, supported by a block of vertical launchers on 32 anti-aircraft missiles HQ-16 (similar to the Russian Buk air defense system of the middle radius of action). The most surprising thing is that in the previous six years, the Chinese have “riveted” 16 of such ships with a displacement of 4000 each, and six more are in varying degrees of readiness. At the same time the construction of ships do not exceed two or three years!


Stern of the frigate "U Young", Type 054A


The Chinese also have their own Mistrals - three universal amphibious assault helicopter carriers, resembling in their outlines the Dutch UDC of the Rotterdam type. They do not have a solid flight deck; instead, in the middle part of the hull there is a developed superstructure and a hangar on the 4 helicopter. In the stern, under the flight deck, there is a large dock for amphibious assault boats. And for the fire support of the landing force, four 50-barrel barreled rocket launcher systems are deployed onboard the UDC.

Finally, the “most delicious” is the underwater component of the PLA Navy.

China has a large fleet of 60 submarines, different in type, age, purpose and type of power plant. Among the Chinese submarines there are even such “monsters” as the Soviet diesel submarines of the 633 project (hello from the fifties!), Built, in turn, on the basis of the German trophy submarine of type XXI. Seventeen diesel-electric submarines of this type are still used for training purposes as part of the PLA Navy.

If the recollection of the 633 project (or “Ming” in Chinese) can only cause a smile, the next paragraph will certainly unpleasantly surprise the reader: the warm waters of the South China Sea are plied by four strategic nuclear submarines. Each with twelve Junlan-2 ballistic missiles. In other words, the People’s Republic of China can independently organize a world nuclear war - it has enough boats, missiles and charges.

Also in the fleet there is another old diesel submarine equipped with three ballistic missiles (built according to drawings received in 1959 from the USSR) - currently it is used as a test platform for testing SLBMs.

And that is not all! Since 1970, the Chinese have managed to build 7 multipurpose nuclear submarines, two more are now in a high degree of readiness. And if the old boats Type 091 "Han" nevertheless, objectively, were a pitiful similarity to the Soviet and American nuclear submarines (two of them have already been withdrawn from the fleet), then the declared characteristics of modern submarines Type 093 "Scheng" are already at the level of the best world analogues.

Multipurpose submarine type 091

It is difficult to judge what is hidden in the depths of the ocean, and to draw any conclusions based on statements by the Chinese side, however, given the rapid qualitative progress of the “visible” surface component of the PLA Navy, the Chinese have a fairly strong nuclear submarine fleet.

China is continuously improving the quantitative and qualitative components of its navy. And the most alarming thing is that the increase in the number of ships of the PLA Navy is determined in time by no means a direct relationship, in recent years this process has taken on an obvious avalanche-like character.


Chinese diesel-electric submarines "Varshavyanka". In total, China purchased 10 submarines of this type from Russia
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  1. The fence
    +1
    13 February 2013 09: 50
    Well done! good You will tell nothing.
    1. +16
      13 February 2013 14: 18
      How the Chinese managed to solve the problem of communication with the device flying in a continuous cloud of hot plasma is still a mystery

      Better tell when and where these Dongfeng hit a moving target. By the square in the desert we and Topol will wave, but after all no one declares ICBMs a means of combating aircraft carriers.
      1. +4
        13 February 2013 14: 48
        From space, even into a standing square is very difficult to get. Now imagine for example a volley of 10 dunfen. At the final site, they will be slightly corrected, and even at least one gets into the aircraft carrier. They cannot afford such amers, therefore the Chinese annealed here to the fullest.
        1. +2
          13 February 2013 19: 33
          Now imagine for example a volley of Xnumx dongfeng

          If you decide to drown an aircraft carrier, you will have to hit the square that way a kilometer by kilometer. With a CEP of 70 meters and the width of an aircraft carrier is the same how many missiles are needed? Somewhere about 100 pcs. Such a salvo will probably be more expensive than an aircraft carrier. It is cheaper to rivet 1000 submarines and launch "one way".
          1. wax
            +1
            14 February 2013 02: 18
            Well, these are training games. This will not work with America. They will hit with missiles with nuclear warheads.
        2. +4
          13 February 2013 20: 31
          Well, just do not have to imagine the Chinese stupid fools ... Guidance Method MAY be like that.
          1. From space and radio direction finding we determine the wounds of the aircraft carrier - well, albeit with an accuracy of + -50km.
          2. We shoot in this area with a ballistic missile equipped with a homing head.
          3. From a height of 50-100km, a warhead video camera (in different radiation ranges) detects the current location of the ships.
          4. Next, SAMA warhead decides which ship to strike.
          5. Further, having already calculated precisely the coordinates and speed of the ship, the warhead may not be guided by video cameras when passing through dense layers of the atmosphere, but only use an inertial guidance system.
          6. An indirect confirmation of the use of the video image during the final guidance is (see photo) an almost exactly created image of a p.i.nd.so.s.v.s.ko.s.go.s. aircraft carrier almost created in the desert.

          And if this is so, but I have no doubt about it, then the p.i.nd.s.d.so.s really have real problems with their aircraft carriers. Their aircraft carriers cease to be a serious force in the ocean, but turn into an ideal target.
          1. Andrey58
            +1
            14 February 2013 19: 51
            And they could just bury two beacons under the target.
      2. +4
        14 February 2013 00: 23
        In the article about the main geopolitical adversary, they forgot to mention India, China and India have contradictions, I think the Chinese aircraft carrier is the answer to the Indian aircraft carrier.
      3. SSR
        0
        14 February 2013 12: 57
        How the Chinese managed to solve the problem of communication with the device flying in a continuous cloud of hot plasma is still a mystery.

        Um ... if they solved this problem .. then in general respect ... and if not? )))
        Is there anyone in the subject?
        (In the topic on the topic: communication with the device flying at high speed in a cloud of plasma)
        1. +1
          14 February 2013 16: 23
          A plasma cloud is equivalent to a short-circuited protective circuit that does not transmit electromagnetic radiation (including in the visible range) from a rocket to the ground and vice versa. In other words, two worlds isolated from each other. Window vents in such insulation are almost impossible to do.
      4. 0
        14 February 2013 18: 59
        Quote: Botanologist
        Thus, the Chinese managed to solve the problem of communication with the device flying in a continuous cloud of hot plasma - it remains a mystery


        Everything is simple, banal. At a certain stage of the flight (when a plasma cocoon is formed), a very thin "tail" made of durable material is thrown out, and it acts as an antenna. Approximately the same principle as the ATGM, only without binding.
      5. 0
        April 21 2013 14: 15
        We nurtured the monster like Hitler's Germany once. Now it’s important to show someone to eat a monster))))
    2. +2
      13 February 2013 17: 23
      Quote: Oplot
      You will tell nothing.

      that's what the state economy does ... everything at a pace everything at times ..
      1. YuDDP
        +3
        13 February 2013 18: 57
        and embezzlers are shot there
    3. +1
      14 February 2013 17: 31
      Our Pacific Fleet will no longer be able to withstand the Chinese fleet. And this is a dangerous trend. Indeed, in China they issue maps on which China is located almost to the Urals.
  2. +8
    13 February 2013 09: 54
    Oleg - thanks, informative and objective +
    1. +8
      13 February 2013 09: 57
      Please hi
      It will be necessary to do the same about Japan. Japas are also well done
      1. +3
        13 February 2013 10: 40
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        It will be necessary to do the same about Japan

        You’ll do it, if you can go through history, there are so many interesting things
  3. +4
    13 February 2013 09: 58
    waiting for the second Pearl Harbor.
    1. +4
      13 February 2013 14: 21
      And do not expect the second USSR of the 1990 model of the year? China is more a merchant than a warrior. I do not recall a single Chinese foreign war, wherever they screwed up.
      1. +8
        13 February 2013 14: 43
        Quote: Botanologist
        I do not recall a single Chinese foreign war, wherever they screwed up.


        and I remember bully :


        --- proudly pacing ---
        1. +5
          13 February 2013 14: 55
          Quote: Karlsonn
          and I remember


          The capture of Tibet. India twitched and did not dare
          1. 0
            13 February 2013 15: 13
            Vadivak

            Quote: Vadivak
            The capture of Tibet. India twitched and did not dare


            Yes sir!
            1. 0
              13 February 2013 20: 18
              and in Tibet the rout of partisans of the regular army .. and then the same warriors
              1. +2
                14 February 2013 02: 17
                Quote: rumpeljschtizhen
                and in Tibet the rout of partisans of the regular army .. and then the same warriors


                my great-grandfather, - the dispossessed fist by the Soviet government in the 42nd was shot by the Germans for helping the partisans, SOVIET! two sons of my great-grandfather died being in partisan units in the forests of Belarus sad

                rumpeljschtizhen

                please tell me please how the regular army defeats the partisans stop
        2. +2
          13 February 2013 19: 44
          Karlsonn

          As for the 38 parallel - do you think this is won by the war? The end of the operation was sad for China. Therefore, a parallel appeared.
          1. +1
            14 February 2013 02: 19
            Quote: Botanologist
            Do you think this is won by the war?


            please quote me the course of the Korean War.


            Quote: Botanologist
            The end of the operation was sad for China. Therefore, a parallel appeared.


            Oh really?

            draw a map of Southeast Asia and see what China won.
        3. Rubik
          +1
          13 February 2013 20: 03
          Where is the success? With overwhelming superiority in manpower, the Chinese managed to lose the south of the peninsula and return to the 38th parallel. With initial success, they still had to surrender all previously won positions. If there was success, today there would be no 38th parallel of non-South Korea as a separate republic with US bases.
          1. +2
            14 February 2013 02: 23
            Quote: Rubik
            Where is the success?


            on the geopolitical map of the region!


            Quote: Rubik
            With overwhelming superiority in manpower, the Chinese managed to lose the south of the peninsula and return to the 38th parallel.


            remind me please, where did the Chinese troops start from?


            Quote: Rubik
            With initial success, they still had to surrender all previously won positions.


            Rubik
            - Excuse me, have you been shot at least once? or are you an internet strategist?
        4. 0
          13 February 2013 20: 15
          and there they screwed up in korea
          in spite of the massive losses to push the amers they failed
          Although they saved North Korea (well, here the merit of the USSR is more)
          1. +1
            14 February 2013 03: 52
            Quote: rumpeljschtizhen
            and there they screwed up in korea


            yeah, that's just North Korea today is testing nuclear charges, and the US ally - Iran only for development - slurps a full spoon, and yes Yes - Mao didn’t achieve anything good


            Quote: rumpeljschtizhen
            in spite of the massive losses to push the amers they failed


            look at the map.


            Quote: rumpeljschtizhen
            Although they saved North Korea (well, here the merit of the USSR is more)


            and what? When the USSR never let the south-western region out of attention, the KGB were still at the headquarters of the Kuomintang, well, Stalin worked with Mao’s hands - it turned out fine bully
            1. vitya29111973
              0
              17 March 2013 21: 24
              But Soviet equipment and weapons are not worth it ??? Probably two million Chinese, scared the enemy with red flags ??? After all, in North Korea and China, slingshots were not produced on an industrial scale !!!
  4. +2
    13 February 2013 11: 19
    Impressive
  5. +20
    13 February 2013 11: 31
    Honestly - I did not understand at all why the respected members of the forum were impressed by the tests of Dongfeng.
    What do we see?
    But we see that the Chinese missile could get into the STATIONARY target with ADVANTAGE known coordinates. Those. we can say that the Chinese rocket launchers have learned to make ballistic missiles with a KVO of several tens of meters (the width of an aircraft carrier is about 70 m) This is, of course, a great achievement. The truth is not entirely clear - what does it have to do with the defeat of a moving target ...
    1. +4
      13 February 2013 11: 50
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      why dear forum users were impressed with the trials of Dongfeng.

      Andrei, yes, put self-promotion on him is understandable, the review is good, for example, for destroyers
      1. +5
        13 February 2013 14: 02
        Quote: Vadivak
        good review, for example, on destroyers

        I didn’t like it. Firstly, it is not very clear how the author counted 26 destroyers in the PLA fleet - there were 27 in all (16 - project 051, 1 - project 051В, 2 - project 051С, 2 - project 052, 2 - 052С, and 4 - ) Moreover
        A significant part of the ships - nine units - obsolete destroyers (frigates) Type 051, with a small displacement (3600 tons) and the same obsolete weapons.
        - this author writes about 16 ships :)))) Maybe I missed something, maybe the Chinese already 7 sent such ships for remelting due to their advanced age, but then - where did the PLA of the 26 destroyers come from? :)))
        According to the author, it seems that out of 27 destroyers in China - 9 are old, the rest are modern :))) In fact, this is "a little" not so.
        More or less modern are 4 EMs of our project 956, 2 destroyers of project 052С and 2 destroyers of project О51С (about the latter - I'm not sure, I don’t remember what is on them). But the same 052 (without the letter) have in the air defense a rework of the French "Crotal", whose capabilities ... eghkm ... are small :)))
        In total, since the 2000 year, China independently laid and built the 4 destroyer with a displacement of 6-6,5 thousand tons. Much cooler than the Russian Federation, but nothing so supernatural.
        True, China also built a ton of frigates on 2,2-3,5 thousand tons. So their shipbuilders ... are worthy of respect.
        1. +1
          13 February 2013 14: 26
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk

          And the Americans didn’t say that in terms of sub-melting. They consider the Chinese submarine fleet to be capable of arranging a nook in the Yellow Sea, but they should do a navy in the ocean.
          I don’t remember the details, somewhere about 2 months ago the article was on this topic.
          1. +1
            13 February 2013 14: 34
            On the submarine - everything is simple. As far as I remember materials on this topic, it is better not to release their newest SSBNs at sea at all, because they can sink without any opposition from the enemy. And China has not yet matured to the independent construction of Varshavyanka, so again they will buy submarines on the side.
            1. Windbreak
              +1
              13 February 2013 16: 46
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              And China has not yet matured to the independent construction of Varshavyanka, so again they will buy submarines on the side.
              Why are Chinese Type 041 bad?
              1. +4
                13 February 2013 17: 27
                As far as I remember, this was the case. The Chinese first purchased our project 636 and 636M in the amount of 10 pieces and the 877 project in the amount of two pieces.
                This seemed to them enough - according to their Chinese habit, they turned on a large Chinese copier and ... the 041 type appeared. As far as I understand, 041 is just an attempt to tear Varshavyanka’s technology.
                So, somewhere recently I came across an article that the Chinese are suspending the creation of 041 and intend to buy a few more 636 from us. In my opinion, this can only mean that the copier has failed, and the 041 project turned out to be very far from Varshavyanok.
                1. Windbreak
                  0
                  13 February 2013 17: 59
                  Such an article bfm.ru/news/203121? I believe that one should not trust articles that refer to unnamed sources. Even if they are from "Komersant" and not "Izvestia"
                  1. +1
                    13 February 2013 18: 05
                    No, another. It’s a pity that the link was not saved ...
                2. FATEMOGAN
                  0
                  13 February 2013 23: 52
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  In my opinion, this can only mean that the copier has jammed, and the project 041 was very far from the "Varshavyanka".


                  The "Chinese copier" has clearly chewed the paper, while India is scratching its "Ganges", the Chinese are already fussing:

                  Russia will build 4 submarines for China

                  It is possible that they will be equipped with fundamentally new diesels capable of working under water.

                  Rosoboronexport signed a framework agreement with the PRC on the construction of four newest non-nuclear submarines Amur-1650 for the republic's Navy. At the same time, the final agreement is planned to be concluded no earlier than 2015. It is assumed that two vehicles will be built at Russian shipyards, and two at Chinese. According to preliminary data, the cost of the delivery is $ 2 billion, Kommersant reports.

                  A number of restrictive clauses included in the contract will prevent the Chinese side from copying Russian equipment. On the other hand, as the Uralinformburo expert notes, there is reason to believe that the newest Russian Amurs are needed by the PRC primarily for their study. Today China has at least 15 nuclear and more than a hundred diesel submarines, mostly of its own production. Including about 30 non-nuclear submarines built over the past 10-15 years. The commissioning of four Russian ships will hardly increase the sea power of the Celestial Empire. But if they are used as headlines for a new series, then the contract becomes more than interesting from the point of view of the Chinese side.

                  A special piquancy of the situation is given by the fact that the diesel boats "Amur-1650" supplied to the PRC may become the first serial Russian-built ships equipped with an air-independent power plant (VNEU). Such a device can significantly increase the underwater autonomy and cruising range of the submarine.

                  Earlier, India and Venezuela expressed interest in the Russian Amur-1650 from VNEU.

                  China Politician
    2. 0
      13 February 2013 12: 15
      Our Chinese friends are "appallingly fast," so it is possible that soon we will see something even more amazing.
  6. Drappier
    +1
    13 February 2013 11: 32
    It is good if they drowned there in the Nimitz desert ... And it’s impressive, very much.
  7. +4
    13 February 2013 12: 22
    Things are good. really liked it. Only very much sorry for the "Varyag". I always read about him with great sadness .. as well as about "Kiev" with "Minsk"
  8. Fox
    0
    13 February 2013 12: 24
    just, if on the other hand to look, then first they shot, then they made the platform. wink
  9. 0
    13 February 2013 12: 24
    I wonder who the Chinese are going to grapple with? Or are they just demonstrating strength so that no one would go to them?
    1. 0
      13 February 2013 12: 37
      In the first place they have Iponians)))
      1. smprofi
        +2
        13 February 2013 13: 25
        Quote: ruton
        In the first place they have

        not only Nippon, but also the Philippines and Vietnam. among the Khunkhuz, all sea neighbors misunderstand where their possessions are and what belongs to the Celestial Empire.

        1. +1
          13 February 2013 14: 40
          Quote: smprofi
          not only Nippon, but also the Philippines and Vietnam.


          smprofi hi
          1. smprofi
            +1
            13 February 2013 18: 43
            hi
            Yes, it’s not very subtle. the Hunghus simply felt the power and begin to become impudent. over the past couple of days, several articles have come to my eyes where the gringos are already beginning to cry about the power of the Hunhus, that they (gringos) are being squeezed out of Africa, that the Celestial Empire is rushing to Afghanistan and so on ...
            and this is not the finish
        2. FATEMOGAN
          0
          14 February 2013 00: 03
          Quote: smprofi
          not only Nippon, but also the Philippines and Vietnam. among the Khunkhuz, all sea neighbors misunderstand where their possessions are and what belongs to the Celestial Empire.

          not bad, they drew a piece of the map so-so - modest wassat
      2. Dima67
        +1
        13 February 2013 14: 39
        Well yes. The Germans in 41 also said that their troops on the border of the USSR were not against us. Do not believe the words, but deeds.
        1. +3
          13 February 2013 20: 56
          Quote: smprofi
          they (gringos) are squeezed out of Africa, that the Celestial Empire rushing to Afghanistan and so on ...
          and this is not the finish
          They are creating their "pearl thread" in the Persian Gulf, full of oil fellow .LITTLE OF!!!!!!!!!::::::::::
          Chinese polar explorers on the Xue Long icebreaker plan to travel the Northern Sea Route to pay a visit to Iceland and discuss bilateral cooperation in the field of Arctic research there.
          “If the plan is successfully implemented, this will be the first time that our scientific expeditionary vessel reaches the Barents Sea along the northeast route,” said Liu Tsiguy, head of the State Oceanological Administration of China, RIA Novosti reported with reference to Xinhua News Agency.
          The main task of scientists will be the study of sea waters, the atmosphere, the state of sea ice and the living world in the Arctic Ocean. The Xuelong icebreaker has already managed to pass the Northwest Passage and conduct research off the coast of Alaska and Canada. http://azlok.livejournal.com/373640.html
          1. smprofi
            +1
            13 February 2013 21: 26
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            to pay a visit to Iceland

            and from them, hunhuz, in that Iceland a hefty piece of "real estate" was purchased. in the form of a nice piece of hard sushi. and it seems like they are still going
            http://china.autodoom.org/data/575
            1. +2
              13 February 2013 22: 05
              Quote: smprofi
              a hefty chunk of "real estate"
              Ours at one time while exploring the Arctic on ice in tents huddled, and the Chinese party first sent a piece of Iceland to buy)) About the times, About morals!
              1. Fortnite
                0
                14 February 2013 10: 27
                Nonsense! Icelanders did not approve that deal ... They wrote about it already ... It broke off to the Chinese, however.
  10. Akim
    +3
    13 February 2013 12: 30
    Let it be Photoshop, but beautiful!
  11. Akim
    +6
    13 February 2013 12: 46
    In comparison with the Russian, and especially Ukrainian ships - they look newer.
    1. +1
      13 February 2013 14: 49
      just fresh paint ...
    2. +7
      13 February 2013 14: 52
      Quote: Akim
      and especially Ukrainian ships - they look newer.


      no need for pain crying


      THREAT OF THE BLACK SEA wassat
      1. Akim
        0
        13 February 2013 20: 18
        Karlsonn,
        And I like cars of the 70s .. really Japanese!
        1. +3
          14 February 2013 02: 25
          Akim

          but I like Soviet armored vehicles of the 70s feel - Japanese ---- smoke confused in the corner.
      2. +1
        13 February 2013 21: 43
        The trouble is the Ukrainian Navy .... And the shame of the state.
        1. +3
          14 February 2013 02: 30
          Quote: Corsair

          The trouble of the Ukrainian Navy


          Ukrainian Navy - no! one sham, by the way, the army as such is also not negative how could it be ... the most powerful military district of the USSR is a mystery to me what


          Quote: Corsair
          And the shame of the state.


          don’t poison the soul, I learned that the Ukrainian army is being reduced to 45 --- what AGS comrades, and no one has superfluous?
          1. Georgs
            0
            14 February 2013 12: 23
            2 Karlsonn: Guys, well, to hell with you army (and fleet in addition)? The police forces, the smallness of the internal troops and the coast guard - this I still understand, without this, nowhere. And the army, navy, upkeep, armaments, rearmament and other associated turbidity - you’ll estimate what crazy grandmas it is! Who is fighting at you, who is sticking his fingers? Duc, whistle to us, if that. By snot kick what adversary for the Slavic brotherhood but the problems are there!
        2. vitya29111973
          0
          17 March 2013 21: 32
          On ,,, r it is generally needed !!!
  12. smprofi
    +6
    13 February 2013 12: 47
    the author forgot about the Chinese battleships ...




    1. 0
      13 February 2013 14: 50
      against Vietnam is the most ...
    2. 0
      15 February 2013 06: 05
      But this is called cheap and cheerful. well done
    3. SHARK
      0
      16 February 2013 23: 42
      laughing Dude, you betrayed, I could not laugh laughing
  13. WOW
    WOW
    +5
    13 February 2013 12: 49
    A rare delirium of the next whale.
    Not to be unfounded:
    1) The falsity of the statement about the defeat of a target of an aircraft carrier in the desert with a DF-21D missile, there were no official statements on this score, Chinese "sources" of the level of yellow publications and forum fighters are not considered.
    2) Our SPRN, as well as the American SPRAYU, monitors all launches of ICBMs, IFRS, there was no confirmation of the launch of the DF-21D, we don’t really give a damn, if there was, however, no congressional reaction, and there’s a direct threat US military power. Tales of the DF-21D in the United States are partly supported just for lobbying the interests of the military-industrial complex.
    3) On the statements of Gates. Direct speech:
    "I think that development has gone quite well - I think that they have advanced quite far, but I just do not know if they have really reached the stage of initial entry of equipment into the troops (IOC) or not.

    There, Gates estimates the availability of the DF-21D is much lower than the availability of the 5th generation fighter.
    http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=4748
    If we talk about the statements of the American side, then we should pay attention to the words of Admiral Robert Frederick Willard, in which he defines the stage of development of the rocket as IOC, nevertheless, this means almost nothing (see above on the lobby of the military-industrial complex).
    4) The problem of BB correction when approaching mobile goals. The last adjustment takes place before entering the atmosphere, 30 sec. for the passage of the atmosphere, the speed of the aircraft carrier is 56 km / h, therefore, during this time it will shift relative to the aiming point by about 500 m. There is nothing to catch without nuclear warheads. And here the problem of miniaturization of the BB arises, which the Chinese have not been able to solve since 85, because there is simply no statistics on testing products of this class, from 1964 to 1980 they worked out megaton-class charges for medium-range ballistic missiles, but after that it became completely sad (see picture). For comparison, in the USSR, only 25 nuclear tests were carried out only for testing small-sized warheads.
    Anyway, is it worth saying that an attempt to fill up an aircraft carrier for such a shaky power like China will cost him its physical existence? laughing
    Threat in the USSR (GRC, Miass) back in the 70s they solved the problem of such a missile, though it was precisely the accuracy that was not enough, nevertheless, when using nuclear warheads, the accuracy of 4K18 was quite enough. The topic was not developed for obvious reasons - no one began to sacrifice parity in the strategic nuclear forces for the sake of anti-AUG missiles, is it worth reminding that China does not even have any parity with respect to the United States?))
    1. +1
      13 February 2013 14: 55
      There were statements, there were tests, they even showed me through the box ... etc. etc. It is naive to consider China a rag power. If any America tries to run into it, it will cost America’s head. America is the essence of an ear of 1-2 nuclear explosions in its territory will suffice and it will end itself.
    2. +1
      13 February 2013 17: 15
      Full Name: WOW

      Unfortunately I do not know your name, but could you expand the comment into the article?
    3. 0
      13 February 2013 21: 04
      Dear WOW!
      Since the 70s, so much water has flowed ... And to solve the trivial problem of adjusting the ballistic warhead with an accuracy of + -10 meters is now generally NOT a problem. Video cameras of different emission ranges, powerful computing tools on a warhead, very accurate and miniature gyroscopes and accelerometers ...
      All of this and RECALLY was not in the 70s ...
      Then you say: "... is it worth reminding that China has no parity with the United States even close ..."
      Why parity? IT'S ENOUGH (!) And two TEN warheads detonated over the cities of the PII for this country to cease to exist ... All the more, the other "partners" of the P&I n.d.so.sov will not doze either and "help" this aggressive monster to collapse into oblivion ...
    4. postman
      +1
      14 February 2013 00: 27
      Quote: WOW
      False allegations of the defeat of a target aircraft carrier in the desert missile DF-21D

      -US Naval Institute: Report: Chinese Develop Special "Kill Weapon" to Destroy US Aircraft Carriers
      THE FEDERATION of AMERICAN SCIENTISTS & THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEFENSE COUNCIL: Chinese Nuclear Forces and US Nuclear War Planning
      http://www.defenceiq.com/
      http://thediplomat.com
      "live" photos of the first launch posted:
      http://topwar.ru/23568-armiya-kitaya-uspeshno-potopila-amerikanskiy-avianosec-v-
      hode-ispytaniy-ballisticheskoy-rakety-v-pustyne-gobi.html # comment-id-873801
      photo removed by the Chinese (I regret not saved)

      Quote: WOW
      Our SPRN, as well as the American SPRUU, monitors all launches of ICBMs, IFRS

      only launches of land-based ICBMs and SSBNs

      approx.domestic ground radar SPRN cover inaccessible for the United States and at the same time the most unstable and missile-hazardous regions of the world: the Middle East, South and East Asia. The data center (Moscow, 16 Taininskaya St., building 2) does not transmit data on launches of ICBMs in China and India (and normal no pairing)
      Targets and goals: "organization of continuous exchange of information on launches of ballistic missiles (BR) and space carrier rockets, received from the early warning systems (EWS) of the Russian Federation and the United States."
      "prompt resolution of possible unclear situations related to information from the early warning system"
      Quote: WOW
      On the statements of Gates. Direct speech:

      dated January 8, 2011 ....
      Now the US Defense Ministry estimates it somewhat differently.
      03.2012 Admiral Jonathan Greenert early. Operational Headquarters of the US Navy believes that the DF-21D has reached "initial operational readiness" and is already developing countermeasures



      Computer simulation results published by Orbis, an American magazine on foreign policy and international relations, could lead US military circles to a standstill. According to the data, after the impact of Dong Feng 21D atomic supercarrier George Washington will sink in 20 minutes.
      There are problems with guidance and control (insufficient grouping), but SM-3 and THAAD were once tested on targets with a radio beacon ...
      Quote: WOW
      The problem of BB correction when approaching a moving target. The last adjustment takes place before entering the atmosphere,

      This is guidance to the positional area at 7M (entrance to the upper atmosphere), and the latest adjustments occur from a height of 40 km

      they implement our principle of R-27K
      1. postman
        0
        14 February 2013 00: 28
        Quote: WOW
        however, when using NFC, accuracy in 4K18 was enough.

        Not enough
        31 launched missile conditional target hit 26 missiles
        Given the achievable level of accuracy for hitting naval targets required the use of a nuclear charge small power class.

        Quote: WOW
        The topic was not developed for obvious reasons - no one began to sacrifice parity in the strategic nuclear forces for the sake of anti-missile anti-aircraft missiles

        ONLY after the signing of the OSV-1972 Agreement in 2
        (it is not possible to distinguish SSBNs with a nuclear charge and R-27K (or R-33)
        or maybe the point of view of Tupolev and Chelomei won
  14. WOW
    WOW
    +5
    13 February 2013 13: 14
    If the recollection of the 633 project (or “Ming” in Chinese) can only cause a smile, the next paragraph will certainly unpleasantly surprise the reader: the warm waters of the South China Sea are plied by four strategic nuclear submarines. Each with twelve Junlan-2 ballistic missiles. In other words, the People’s Republic of China can independently organize a world nuclear war - it has enough boats, missiles and charges.

    Well, this is generally a clinic, the rocket in 2010 failed a series of tests, after which, according to unofficial information, they began to do it again, since then there has not been a single launch (I generally keep quiet about the maximum speed, only DF-5 flew to it, ancient as "g" of the mammoth, its service life seems to have been extended by 20 years, which tells us about the amazing successes of China in the strategic nuclear forces laughing ), however, this does not prevent the Chinese people from talking about how spaceships plow the expanses of the Bolshoi Theater))
    Is not the Temple of Chi Hin the author))
  15. sdd23wesdg
    0
    13 February 2013 13: 36
    The base of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of all citizens of the Russian Federation, Ukraine and other CIS countries is on this http://zipurl.me/sng site and the main thing was done as if to search for lost relatives, but here is all the information about each of us: correspondence with friends, addresses, phones, place of work, and the worst thing is even my naked photo (though I don't know from where ...). In general, I was very scared - but there is such a function as "hide data" of course I used it and I advise everyone not to hesitate, you never know
  16. Krasnoyarsk
    +2
    13 February 2013 13: 38
    In such a situation, the Russian Federation cannot reduce nuclear weapons, and in which case burn down all of China in one gulp.
    1. Nechai
      0
      13 February 2013 15: 14
      Quote: Krasnoyarets
      and if something happens, burn all of China in one gulp.

      Better with one tube ...
      1. +2
        13 February 2013 15: 50
        Krasnoyarets, Nechai

        Quote: Krasnoyarets
        burn all of China in one gulp.


        Quote: Nechai
        Better with one tube ...


        What are you bloodthirsty.
  17. calculator
    +2
    13 February 2013 14: 05
    Was in 2008 in Qingdao, on the Varangian, they were not very impressed, the Chinese Navy
    1. AK-47
      0
      13 February 2013 16: 00
      Quote: calculator
      Was in 2008 in Qingdao, on the Varyag ...

      Are they taking excursionists there?
      1. calculator
        +1
        14 February 2013 05: 30
        Was on the missile cruiser Varyag, the flagship of the Pacific Fleet ... during the celebration of the Fleet Day of the Peoples Republic of China .... as part of the anti-terror group .... on the Varyag? Yes, they let the Chinese and not only ... our ladder did not push through .... I remember the correspondent of our zarukavishko I almost pulled off the ladder .... by mistake laughing
        1. +1
          14 February 2013 07: 21
          Group of anti-terror from the 55th dmp?
          1. calculator
            0
            14 February 2013 08: 55
            at that time 345 bmp kamchatka
            1. 0
              14 February 2013 09: 18
              345 rpm from the 40 rpm. Prior to this, the 40th Omsbr. Her Taburetkin ordered to be converted from motorized infantry into a marines. All this in my century was ...
      2. 0
        14 February 2013 09: 20
        Almost any warship, which is on a friendly visit to the host country, organizes the so-called. "Open Day".
        1. calculator
          0
          14 February 2013 10: 12
          I'm still here a year waiting for dismissal ... now it is 3 PMP
  18. +3
    13 February 2013 14: 39
    "The Washington Times, in turn, quoted analysts as saying that the Chinese ballistic missile is" the first threat to the global dominance of the US Navy since the end of the Cold War. " In fact, the Yusovskiy Navy was the first threat forty years ago from us .. In November 1973, a ballistic missile was launched from a diesel-electric submarine of the USSR Navy K-102, the head of which accurately hit the target ship. The launch was carried out as part of the tests of the D-5 marine missile system. R-27K became first in history a ballistic missile capable of striking moving surface ships (out of 11 launches, 10 successful). At that time, there were no shipborne means of intercepting the warheads of medium-range ballistic missiles. In case of successful technical implementation, anti-ship ballistic missiles could become an absolute weapon in the fight against aircraft carriers. In 1962, in the Ural SKB-385 (now JSC "GRTs KB named after Academician V.P. Makeev") they began to develop a universal complex D-5 with a ballistic missile R-27K, designed to destroy surface ships. At that time, it was technically realistic to use only a passive homing system for the electromagnetic radiation of AUG ships on the BR. However, the passive homing method used limited the combat capabilities of the weapon in the event of radio silence or pauses in the operation of the aircraft carrier's radio-emitting systems. All this predetermined the fate of the unique rocket. The only submarine of Project 605 with R-27K missiles was accepted into trial operation in 1975, on which it remained until 1982 (besides, in 75, testing of Granites began, the main means of fighting aircraft carriers later, which could be equipped and YABCH, and normal). At that time, the capabilities of satellite (US system) and aviation (Success-U system) target designation at the naval command post and in the Kasatka shipborne equipment made it possible to determine the AUG center with an accuracy of ± 25 km. However, during the pre-flight preparation and launch of the ships potential adversary could have shifted a considerable distance, now many technical issues that were problematic in the 1960s-1970s already have real chances of being solved, ... but still ... no, I do not deny the possibility of getting into evenly and straightforwardly a moving aircraft carrier, which after the estimated time will always be at the calculated meeting point, but in general, especially if the enemy knows about this kind of weapon, tracks its launches and takes vigorous maneuvering when a launch is detected, during the flight of this BR, the zigzagging AUG may be in several kilometers from the calculated meeting point and there will be no joy from the KVO (about Chinese small-sized powerful nuclear warheads, WOW was said above) ... som really request To get into a moving object is not to pull the picture ..
    1. -1
      13 February 2013 21: 19
      "... To hit a moving object is not to shoot a drawing ...."
      If this object is visible in at least one radiation range, then no matter how it jerks and loops into it, a couple of trifles. And the Chinese have demonstrated this. No wonder they fired at the IMAGE of an aircraft carrier ...
  19. +2
    13 February 2013 14: 56
    Here's how govitstso - give time everything will be. The guys are now rolling away all possible ideas and dazzling whatever be ours, of which we will all be horrified ...
    1. +1
      13 February 2013 15: 20
      So I’m already horrified by the fact that they are sculpting ... Either a mock-up of a fighter of a pseudo-fifth generation, or a super tank, which rust erodes faster than a tank reaches an enemy, then ballistic missiles that do not fly against the wind, then ...
      laughing laughing laughing
      In fact, the Chinese are great. For 100500 years, they have been trying to do at least something competitive and, although it doesn’t work out in any way, they do not lose hope
      The road by walking
      1. +2
        13 February 2013 15: 51
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk hi

        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        In fact, the Chinese are great. For 100500 years, they have been trying to do at least something competitive and, although it doesn’t work out in any way, they do not lose hope
        The road by walking


        I agree, - the dog barks, and the caravan goes on.
      2. 0
        14 February 2013 16: 09
        Well, you're wrong, the compass, gunpowder! Although the devil knows, maybe they also stole it from someone! laughing
  20. Nechai
    +1
    13 February 2013 15: 24
    Quote: anfreezer
    To get into a moving object is not to pull the picture ..

    The team of Invincible S.P. came close to solving this problem. Including the "view" of the MS through the plasma cloud. At the right moments, naturally. It seems that the scientific and design infa "leaked" from us ...
    1. -1
      13 February 2013 21: 26
      What "scientific and technical info" is there? Everything is trivial and all technical means are available and can be purchased by ANY radio amateur and a guidance system for a moving aircraft carrier has been created ... It's elementary ... and stealing the outdated and useless "scientific and technical information" of the last century is nonsense.
  21. +2
    13 February 2013 15: 52
    Be that as it may, the Chinese Navy is becoming stronger day by day ... And now the question of diplomacy is, in which direction they will send their guns .. I would like, not to ours, we are not ready, however, as always ..
    The dragon was born, it remains to wait where he jumps
  22. +2
    13 February 2013 16: 08
    Nechai "It seems that the scientific and design info" leaked "from us ... And it’s not without this, the times have passed when in every design bureau and defense enterprise a similar kind of poster hung, and it’s not about the poster at all ...
    1. smprofi
      0
      13 February 2013 16: 51
      but we did not have a poster crying
      we were just being torn
  23. MG42
    +2
    13 February 2013 17: 22
    China is building up its military power both on land and at sea. It claims, not without thoroughly, not only leadership in Asia, the appetites are growing every day.
  24. +1
    13 February 2013 17: 47
    It is clear that the Chinese have a lot of propaganda in connection with this weaponry. It is clear that "Dongfeng-21" is still "raw" and they will bring it up for some time, the same with the satellite constellation. The aircraft carrier is still alone. BUT! He can demonstrate a flag in the oceans and there is a hypersonic rocket. Americans begin to scratch slightly but intensively, increasing the amplitude of the vibrations.
  25. 0
    13 February 2013 18: 20
    I don’t know what about Japan or India, but Taiwan in case of a big fight will not be envied.
  26. postman
    +1
    13 February 2013 18: 28
    Quote: Author Oleg Kaptsov
    where did the brave Chinese sailors gather to go on it and with whom are they going to fight?

    Why don’t you know? recourse
    1. India

    1962 Sino-Indian War (humiliating blow to India) / 1967 border conflict

    Institute for Defense Studies and Analyses - IDSA

    LAC - Line of Actual Control (e.g. Arunachal Pradesh + Tawang) + Kashmir vs Aksai-Chin + Nepal + (possibly) the Kingdom of Bhutan
    2. Indonesia (without an aircraft carrier, well, no matter how)

    The Chinese Foreign Ministry called on US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who on Tuesday supported Indonesia in an attempt to resolve a dispute over the ownership of the islands in the South China Sea, not to take sides in this conflict
    For the first time, the armies of the two countries organized joint exercises aimed at strengthening friendship between the two countries and their armies, deepening mutual understanding and trust, enhancing pragmatic cooperation and contacts, as well as enhancing the ability of the armies of the two countries to fight terrorism. The training was not directed against a third party.
    / Just like the USSR and Germany in the late 30s and early 40s /
    3. Malaysia (Malaysia and China: prospects for confrontation: topwar) -(without an aircraft carrier, well, no matter how)

    4.Singapore tidbit Kusman
    5.Can Australia post?
    1. Polesye_wolf
      +2
      13 February 2013 18: 45
      You forgot to include Russia in this list :)

      For now, China has a "hangout" with other neighbors; it is not very much, but nevertheless, it declares its territorial claims to the Far Eastern part of Russia.

      But when everything settles there more or less, or if it is possible to come to an agreement with the United States, it will be a serious problem for Russia.

      So there is nothing to "relax". And you can't rely on the current "friendly" relations.

      Russia will have a strong army and strong-willed government - there are chances for peace. And if not ... you have to learn Chinese.
      1. postman
        0
        13 February 2013 19: 24
        Quote: Polesye_Wolf
        You forgot to include Russia in this list :)

        It goes without saying: Far East and Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands.
        What to chew on is that everyone already knows. (The demarcation of the border in Altai is 50 km in 2012), but we (the Russian Federation) will not be the first (now), first the teeth will be tested on the above.
    2. 0
      13 February 2013 19: 46
      You have forgotten the Philippines, but you should have included India on the list. China does not include it in its "zone of influence" and is determined to peacefully resolve border conflicts.
      But all these countries of the US satellite (and second-order), in order to redirect them to themselves, the PRC needs to have a fleet comparable to the 7th US fleet
      1. postman
        +2
        13 February 2013 20: 43
        Quote: Odyssey
        You forgot philippines

        He (China) will not even notice what is (was) a country: Philippines
        (If it’s Vietnam, which didn’t count the Chinese ...))

        Hong Lei, Foreign Ministry Spokesperson:
        "The Philippine authorities are asking the arbitral tribunal to put an end to the dispute over an island in the South China Sea, but we have already stated our position on this issue. China is opposed to the Philippines' actions to ignore joint negotiations."


        Filipino activists protesting new Chinese e-passport design that carries maps of all disputed territories

        According to the card printed in the new Chinese passports, all 3,5 million square meters. kilometers of the South China Sea with its rich minerals, which are vital for the rapidly developing economy of China; wealth of marine life and busy sea routes belong to Beijing


        Sun of the Philippines
        The military budget is 844 million dollars. Regular forces 106 thousand people.

        Acquisition: on a voluntary basis. The reserve is 131 thousand people, including the SV - 100 thousand, the Air Force - 16 thousand, the Navy - 15 thousand. The paramilitary forces 44 thousand people, including the national police - 40,5 thousand, the military police - 3,5, 22,4 thousand. Mob. resources 15,8 million people, including XNUMX million fit for military service.
        Armament: 65 light tanks "Scorpion", 85 BMP YPR-765, 370 armored personnel carriers, 242 PA guns of 105 and 155 mm caliber, over 40 mortars (81 and 107 mm), 4 aircraft (R-206, U-206).

        Fleet: 1 FR Cannon, 13 KORV (3 Peacock, 2 Oak, 8RS-827), 45 PKA, 2DVTR Frank Besson, 5TP LST-512, 42 DKA, 1 PM, 4TN, 1 TR .
        Air force (what is it? negative )

        Quote: Odyssey
        but in vain they included India on the list. China

        ?
        Indians (military) tell me the opposite, not authoritatively? - read: Institute for Defense Studies and Analyses conclusions - IDSA
        after 30 years of negotiations, the parties failed to resolve the territorial issue. The Indians did not forget about the Chinese invasion in 1962.


        Quote: Odyssey
        China needs to have a fleet comparable to the US 7th fleet

        It is enough to have an economy comparable to the United States and a metropolis near by.
        Countries can be satellites of at least 1st order
        there is an agreement on military assistance for the United States and (specified countries)?
        No? Countries may be free.
        This is not Israel and Japan.
        Note: preparing to sign with Egypt)
        1. postman
          +2
          13 February 2013 20: 45
          Quote: Odyssey
          but in vain they included India on the list. China

          ?
          Indians (military) tell me the opposite, not authoritatively? - read: Institute for Defense Studies and Analyses conclusions - IDSA
          after 30 years of negotiations, the parties failed to resolve the territorial issue. The Indians did not forget about the Chinese invasion in 1962.


          Quote: Odyssey
          China needs to have a fleet comparable to the US 7th fleet

          It is enough to have an economy comparable to the United States and have a metropolis close by.
          Countries can be satellites of at least 1st order
          there is an agreement on military assistance for the United States and (specified countries)?
          No? Countries may be free.
          This is not Israel and Japan.
          Note: preparing to sign with Egypt)
        2. 0
          13 February 2013 21: 03
          Quote: Postman
          He (China) will not even notice that there is (was) such a country: Philippines

          Well, it’s hard not to notice the Philippines. The US military is there and the US is preparing to expand its military presence.
          http://inosmi.ru/fareast/20120126/184032271.html
          Quote: Postman
          Indians (military) tell me the opposite, not authoritatively?

          Why, it is quite authoritative. I trust people. It’s just that I am more familiar with the opinion of the Chinese. In the PRC, they believe that the conflict between India and the PRC is beneficial only to the United States.
          As for the problem with the Himalayan border, the PRC was ready to make concessions in 1962, and is ready to agree now. Although, IMHO, they are absolutely right in this conflict, the British Empire simply annexed the territory of Tibet. The Chinese government, of course, never recognized this border.
          1. postman
            0
            13 February 2013 21: 28
            The U.S. military is there and the U.S. is preparing to expand its military presence.

            Under the "agreement on military bases" in 1947, the Pentagon received the "right" to use 23 military reservations with a total area of ​​about 4 thousand km2 (more than 1,3% of the country's territory) and four additional reservations, including the Mactan airfield, which were to be transferred to the US armed forces at their first request

            non-base reservations, extraterritorial territory (As in Cuba)
            Over the past 20 years the size of the territory of the US military reserves in the Philippines decreased due to a reduction in their number and the transfer of some under national control.

            The government of President Marcos demanded the establishment of national control over US military bases. abolition of the status of "military reservations" ("little americans", which are not subject to national sovereignty), changes to the existing provisions on the criminal liability of US soldiers for crimes committed in the country.

            Phillipin government expels US military from their largest naval base in Subic Bay in 1992 year when lawmakers rejected a new treaty with Washington.
            And about "expansion", it's the fear of China

            (only the people are unlikely to let)


            Quote: Odyssey
            It's just that I am more familiar with the opinion of the Chinese.

            I know the same thing.
            Our (Chinese) civilization is 5000 years old, and all other barbarians
            Quote: Odyssey
            .
      2. wax
        +1
        14 February 2013 02: 34
        Indeed, what's the point of including in the sphere of their interests a territory with a billion people. The sphere of interest is where the population density is low. Russia is still too tough, and it is not for nothing that the South China Sea has "Chinese" in its name.
        1. 0
          14 February 2013 13: 05
          Quote: Wax

          Indeed, what is the point of including in the sphere of their interests a territory with a billion people

          The sphere of influence includes a country into which one can infiltrate economically, politically, or ideologically. Or one can stupidly conquer. With China, not one of these methods will pass.
          Quote: Wax
          Russia is still too tough, and it is not for nothing that the South China Sea has "Chinese" in its name.

          Russia is too tough for nuclear weapons, but Russia is not very interesting either.
          The key to dominating the world is dominating the sea and maritime trade routes. Possession of the Far East has little to do with this.
          Another thing is that Chinese strategists believe that under capitalism, Russia is doomed and fall apart itself.
          Then they, of course, will take their bribes.
          1. postman
            0
            14 February 2013 14: 53
            Quote: Odyssey
            The mastery of the Far East in this regard does little.

            Well, you gave it.
            DV Resources
            Territory (see population density with us and with them)
            Arctic resources (access to the Arctic)
            Strategically (from the North and the West) over Japan.
            ===================================
            Here's a personal observation: Manchuria, Zabaykalsk, a look from two sides of the border.
            Roads (cars and railways), terminals: everything is ready.
            Economically, such communications are meaningless for China, but strategically ....
            1. +1
              14 February 2013 22: 28
              Quote: Postman
              Well, you gave it.

              I didn’t give it, it’s Chinese politicians and strategists "give"
              Why do you think, contrary to Khramchinin’s fantasies, that Chinese tanks don’t storm the defenseless Ulan Bator, or the equally defenseless (without nuclear weapons) Khabarovsk?
              And why the Chinese are almost ready to start a war over Taiwan and the waters of the East and South China Seas.
              I repeat-The key to dominating the world is dominating the sea and maritime trade routes
              And what does the conquest of the Far East give in this regard? Access to the Japanese and cold Sea of ​​Okhotsk. So access to the ocean there is still blocked by the Kuril Islands and Aleuts. The Kuril Islands, in the event of the onset of aggression by the PRC, are instantly captured by Japan, in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, an American landing is landed and all access to the ocean is closed.
              Exit to the Arctic? I agree, but its development is extremely difficult, and it lies far from trade routes.
              Density of the population, in general, does not matter, look at what is the population density in the West of the PRC. Something the Chinese are not trying to move there)))
              An exit to the ocean is what China needs. Therefore, the main direction of expansion is South, Southeast.
              Although, of course, if Russia "develops" at the same pace as the last 20 years, then the PRC will take the Far East, but not because of its aggressiveness, but because of the weakness of the Russian Federation. Why should the good be lost, it will come in handy on the farm crying
  27. +1
    13 February 2013 18: 31
    Minor amendments to an article by a respected author.
    1) Destroyers -23. The main type is O52С / D-in the fleet of their 3 units, this year 2 more will be transferred, in addition to this, 4 more.
    2) Frigates of type 054 are already 17, 5 more are under construction.
    3) The most modern diesel PL-Yuan type 41-7 units.
    4) Aircraft carrier is the first sign. Around 2020 more are planned to be commissioned by 2. That is, the goal is to build a full-fledged carrier fleet.
    5) The author’s fears are not entirely clear. China is building a full-fledged ocean fleet, an obvious rival to the US Navy and American satellites (Japan, South Caucasus).
    Russia is not considered a rival, since it does not pretend to dominate the world or in the Asia-Pacific regions, it has a weak army.
    But an invasion of the Russian Federation is also impossible because Russia still has sufficient nuclear weapons stockpiles.
    1. AK-47
      -2
      13 February 2013 19: 19
      Quote: Odyssey
      Russia ... does not pretend to dominate the world or in the Asia-Pacific regions, it has a weak army.

      Well, you old man bent, you seem to have a problem with the flag.
      1. +1
        13 February 2013 19: 31
        And here is the flag? This is reality. If we want to change it, we must first be soberly aware of it, and not wander in autistic dreams.
  28. postman
    +3
    13 February 2013 19: 23
    Quote: Author Oleg Kaptsov
    How did the Chinese succeed solve the problem of communication with the device, flying in a continuous cloud of red-hot plasma - still remains a mystery.

    An adult, a serious person, and you repeat this crap (started by someone) ....
    If there is a "cloud of heated plasma" that does not conduct radio waves, then, probably, STEALTH is an unbreakable BG + speed 20M (as in a "cavitation bubble")? Why slow down only on radio waves?
    1) Plasma Antenna - the developed type of radio antenna, in which instead of metal conductors for receiving and transmitting radio waves, ionized gas is used - plasma. Even though plasma antennas are just emerging, the idea of ​​using plasma in antennas was patented in 1919 and is owned by J. Hettinger

    Silicon plasma antennas are likely to be used in WiGig technology

    + The plasma antenna is practically an analog of an ideal vibrator (for example, a Hertz vibrator) and can be used both for transmitting radio waves and for receiving them. In addition, the plasma antenna can be used as a reflector or lens to reflect or focus radio waves from another source.
    +PSiAN
    2. Plasma, unlike ordinary gas has a fairly high electrical conductivity
    Primitive: if "possesses", then you can generate EM waves and receive them (absorb EME, changing your state)
    Ginzburg V.L. Propagation of electromagnetic waves in a plasma-M: Nauka, 1967
    Gershman B.N., Erukhimov L.M., Yashin Yu.Ya. Wave phenomena in the ionosphere and space plasma - M: Nauka, 1984

    3. Does the plasma "interfere"? use a thin heat-resistant tip (antenna) in the front) or a long "tail" (from the bottom area) in the back
    ANALYSIS OF THE TUNGGIAN DISASTER OF 1908
    ON THE BASIS OF MHD THEORY OF METEOR PHENOMENA

    4. If the plasma so interferes with (HZ why), does it prevent the implementation of target control and guidance from 40 km when the plasma is absent?
    40-30 km altitude is enough for maneuver and guidance, as we all remember the Shuttle / Buran maneuver up to 300-400 km, after "coming out of the shadow", ie. from plasma
    The speed with which meteoroids fly into the atmosphere is in the range from 11 to 72 km / s (provided on the forehead)
    The height at which the meteor begins to glow or marked by radar, depends on the particle entrance speed. For fast meteoroids, this altitude can exceed 110 km. Starting from 40 km, the speed slows down and the plasma "disappears" ..
    Many meteors, especially fast ones, leave a luminous trail observed second or two, and sometimes much longer.
    BRIGHT METEOR from Perseid Stream


    / Hetinger's patent /
    1. postman
      +1
      13 February 2013 19: 31
      Quote: Author Oleg Kaptsov
      How the Chinese managed to solve the problem of communication with the device flying in a continuous cloud of hot plasma is still a mystery. / Part -2 belay

      5.THE MOST IMPORTANT THING:
      The range of the DF-21D is 1700 km to 2500 km.
      MAXIMUM SPEED on a trajectory up to 8M
      Apogee: up to 140 km
      typical medium range BR.
      REMEMBER:
      SS-20, SS-4 and SS-5
      USA - PGM-17 Thor, Pershing-2

      The RADAG system consisted of airborne radar and correlator. The radar was screened and had two antenna units. One of them intended to obtain a radar luminance image of the area. The other is for determining flight altitude.
      Guidance: Correlation-extreme, on digital maps.
      Pershing's speed (and he is very "fast" and "accurate") was up to 9M (and most likely 7,5M) and where is plasma that "interferes"?

      ??

      Below is the "trepanation" of plasma and meteor / meteoride, SO THAT would no longer repeat someone's "cleverness" fool


      The structure of the magneto - energetic shell of the meteoroid and its trace.
      1 - free air flow; 2 - shock front; 3 - ionizing radiation (ultraviolet, x-ray); 4 - zone of preionization of the oncoming flow; 5-meteor body; 6 - region of a partially magnetized plasma, Hall MHD - generator; 7 - magnetic poles of a system consisting of a meteoroid and the adjacent plasma shell; 8 - region of a highly magnetized plasma, where the magnetic field energy density is significantly higher than the kinetic energy density of the incoming air; 9 - region of the dynamo-process of magnetic field generation inside the plasma coma of a meteoroid; 10 - region of the beginning of the helical twist of the near meteor track, due to the vector component of the axis of rotation, directed along the flight line of the meteoroid; 11 - zone of intense magnetic field generation in the plasma wake of the meteoroid; 12 - ring magnetic fields; 13 - distant plasma trace of a meteoroid; 14 - electric currents of the plasma channel; 15 - radio emission and microwave - radiation of the coma of the meteoroid and the plasma wake; 16 - microwave radiation of a meteor trace propagating along the surface of a plasma waveguide; 17 - a central plasma channel where electron acceleration occurs.
      1. 0
        13 February 2013 21: 54
        Everything that you spit here is certainly good ... BUT! What does IT have to do with the Chinese warhead guidance system? NO. By all indications, the Chinese warhead uses the VIDEO IMAGE to correct the trajectory in the final section of the flight. And there is no plasma there at all ...
        1. postman
          0
          13 February 2013 22: 28
          Quote: I think so
          Everything you spit here

          You are so stupid that you didn’t read on WHOSE words in the ARTICLE it was "WIPED"? And what quotes are explained?

          Only would blather?
          Quote: I think so
          By all indications

          How interesting is it "sex characteristics"?
          at DF-21D radar guidance system, maybe the progenitor of JL-1

          Quote: I think so
          there is no plasma in sight ...

          re-read the article one more time ...
          1. wax
            0
            14 February 2013 02: 56
            Dear postman, do not confuse the issues of using a plasma antenna, as well as identifying a target, with a plasma boundary layer, with the issue of radio wave propagation in a plasma (i.e., in this case, with a target location THROUGH PLASMA, and it’s dense (this is not the ionosphere for you)) .
            1. postman
              0
              14 February 2013 12: 30
              Quote: Wax
              do not confuse the use of a plasma antenna, but

              enlighten. I will be grateful.
              the nature of the plasma and its essence do not change.
              Quote: Wax
              plasma boundary layer

              missing: I gave a "transverse" section of the meteor.

              Quote: Wax
              and dense

              What is this and how?
              is the plasma "dense"?
  29. The fence
    0
    13 February 2013 20: 52
    But best of all, the Chinese shoot artillery shells without guns
    VIDEO http://mixednews.ru/archives/29480 belay
  30. Vrungel78
    0
    14 February 2013 10: 19
    In war, weapons are not the most important thing, the main thing is spirit, the Chinese have them.
  31. 0
    14 February 2013 15: 32
    For example, according to official sources, in 2006 more than a thousand people were executed. In September 2002, the Newsru.com portal claimed that more than 1990 people had been executed in China since 22. Amnesty International estimates that in 2004 about 3,4 thousand people were executed in the PRC, in 2007 at least 470 (more than in any other country in the world), in 2008 - more than 1,7 thousand people ( 72% of all those executed in the world in that year), and this organization decided not to give data for 2009, mentioning only that there were “thousands” of those executed this year in China. When our country can “boast” such statistics, I think that's all many times faster it will be built, repaired, implemented, reformed, re-equipped, etc. And it is desirable that among these dry statistics, such names as Serdyukov, Vasilyeva, Smetanova, etc. should be mentioned !!!
  32. 0
    14 February 2013 17: 27
    Oh oh oh!!!
  33. Moritz
    0
    14 February 2013 18: 57
    It's kind of sad to look at the entertainment complex Minsk World.
  34. 0
    14 February 2013 20: 34
    In relation to our armed forces, we need to take an example from the Chinese
  35. 0
    14 February 2013 21: 13
    Guys at this pace they will soon catch up with Russia, which also barely has 26 ships from all fleets on their 26 destroyers, something needs to be done. At the expense of comparison with the US Navy, it’s ridiculous even 20 Los Angeles and 20 Arly Berkov and China does not have a fleet and the USA still has a decent number of ships in other territories. The only one who can compare with them is Russia and then only by submarines.
  36. ed65b
    0
    14 February 2013 21: 15
    Poplar stuck at a training ground in Kamchatka is gouged by more than one aircraft carrier)))) Golem article.
  37. buzz
    0
    April 1 2013 02: 59
    It’s easy!

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