Santa Barbara with the Patriots: some get coupons and some go to the trash heap

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Santa Barbara with the Patriots: some get coupons and some go to the trash heap

If it’s good to immerse yourself in the “Patriot” theme today,” then it’s not bad to be Baron Munchausen. That is, to be able to pull yourself vertically upward by your hair. Well, or be a Harrier-type VTOL aircraft. The main thing is to be able to quickly soar vertically upward so as not to get overwhelmed.

“Bombs” and “undermines” mainly the Americans, because news, concern their beloved and invincible “Patriot”. Now, how can you not remember your own articles a year earlier, when the complex was just “entering” Ukraine, where the possibilities were assessed, but not in the style of advertising, which broadcast that “Patriot” was bringing down everything, from the dollar exchange rate to “Daggers” .



In the USA their product was highly valued. And they didn’t sell it to everyone who wanted it, but there were many who wanted it. And now the number of those willing will clearly decrease. And it was not TK Zvezda that told about this, but an American military website. The War Zone, well known to us and even respected, did a good job of touching the feelings of the Americans by reporting bombshell news: after analyzing the events of April 13 this year, based on the results of repelling an Iranian missile and unmanned attack, the command of the Israeli air defense forces announced that it was withdrawing from active units The Patriot air defense system and sends it to the nearest reserve.

This... No, in general it is very difficult to evaluate such a step by the Israeli military. The advertising, which was already quite good, received just a colossal boost from the Ukrainian Armed Forces: they shot down everything with the help of the Patriot, Daggers, Iskanders, cruise missiles, somehow it didn’t work out with the Onyx, but this temporarily. Plus there is simply an incredible number of planes and helicopters, a little more - and for one Patriot launch there would be two targets hit.


Moreover, we admit, the evidence base was lousy. But since the time of 2016-2022, it has been the case that in the same Middle East, MIM-104 fell face down in the dirt more than once, hiding “successes” behind complete lack of evidence, although the complex itself had all the capabilities to track and record the destruction of targets.

And just a stream of “evidence” that instantly secured the title of “hypersonic hunter” for the Patriot.

Skeptics, and there were quite a few of us, somehow hinted that even if we take the performance characteristics numbers (and they are not the ones fighting), then somehow the Patriot cannot shoot down the same Iskander. Well, the American will not “take” a Russian rocket that has accelerated well to the finish line. But who listens to the skeptics when heaps of icons were drawn on the PU cases, meaning “victories” over everything?


The hangover is usually very severe after "Roll the Thunder of Victory..."

And then there is Iran. And again, if you look at a year or two ago, a lot of different gentlemen spoke out in the spirit that all that Iran has are old Soviet missiles, albeit slightly modernized, and shells for Grads with welded wings. And on the other side there is nothing to be afraid of: “Iron Dome” and “Patriot” are reliable.

We will be assessing what the Iranian military did for quite some time. And there is something to analyze, because breaking through SUCH a defense - sorry, it’s not five drones Send to Voronezh, you have to understand.

In general, with its attacks, Iran has achieved, if not world recognition, then recognition that the work of Iranian military engineers deserves closer attention, as quite serious.


In fact, there is a difficult question here: are Iranian missiles so good or are Patriots so bad? The dispute dates back to 2020, with Operation Martyr Soleimani, when Iran attacked targets at the American Al-Asad base and Erbil with Fateh-110 and Qiam-1 ballistic missiles. A total of 22 missiles were fired, and, it must be said, despite the warning of the attack, the air defense of the American army, to put it mildly, failed. The Americans really missed the blow, but somehow they were able to hush everything up, although photographs from space confirmed Iranian data about hits in five hangars with aircraft.


But on April 13 of this year, everything was much more serious. More precisely, there were about 30 modern missiles, but they were closely accompanied by decoys and older products. And in the end, neither “Patriot” nor “Iron Dome” succeeded. The Israeli missile defense shield was penetrated not only by the new Fattah-1 missiles, but also by the older Emad and Khaybar ballistic missiles of the previous generation.

The Israelis blamed the MIM-109 battery near Haifa for this, which fired missiles almost empty, missing the incoming Khaybar missiles towards a military base in the Negev desert. And they began to loudly discuss the abandonment of the Patriots, as useless, ineffective, but expensive weapons.

In general, it’s very strange, especially considering that their dance with Iran is just beginning and there’s a lot more to come with special effects.


There are two options here: either the Patriot is really ineffective, or simply realizing that they will need a lot of missiles, the Israeli military wants to extract additional discounts. Both options have the right to life, but we will return to financial issues a little later.

Quote from War Zone, a resource completely loyal to the interests of the American military-industrial complex:
“The Israelis are currently in the process of immediately reducing the number of MIM-104 Patriot batteries until they withdraw from the program completely. The program for using MIM-104, better known in Israel as Yaholom (Almaz), is being closed forever, within two months. The complexes will be transferred to the nearest reserve.”

And here we begin to think: where can the Patriots get from this “Near Reserve”? The matter here is much more interesting than it might seem, and here’s why: today all core enterprises of Lockheed-Martin and Raytheon produce 10 missiles per week. That is, 30 per month and 350-360 per year. Naturally, these are missiles of the latest modification PAC-3.

Yes, by 2027, having accomplished Stakhanov’s feat, gentlemen capitalists promise to increase production to 600 missiles per year. It's a lot? In general, by modern standards - a couple of massive attacks like the one staged by Iran. Considering that the Patriot is not the most accurate system and misses regularly, moreover, the complex has a very ugly property - it fires in automatic mode, simulating an MLRS. That is, a decent consumption of missiles is just “Patriot”.

At the same time, the cost of one missile is from 3 to 5 million dollars, which makes MIM-104 one of the most expensive systems in the world. Well, at least it’s definitely one of the top three, and even there the showdown is exclusively between our own, because only the SM-104 and the anti-missile THAAD can be more expensive than the MIM-3.

That is, production in the USA does not allow the production of Patriot missiles in large quantities. Why is this so important? It’s all on the surface! In Kyiv they have already danced hopak about the new tranche of aid, however, as they say, there are nuances.

More precisely, there are nuances, but there are no missiles. More precisely, there are missiles, but with nuances.


You'll have to explain. Yes, the Americans have something in their warehouses. There are a lot of missiles of earlier modifications there; more than 1991 thousand missiles were fired in 1994-5 alone. The reserve is very impressive, but the condition of these missiles is questionable, because 30 years in warehouses is a long time. In addition, these are PAC-1s, which even in those days were not very accurate and tenacious, and today their combat effectiveness is also in doubt, after all, if they are fired in Ukraine, then not at helicopters or transport aircraft, do you agree?

Soviet SCUDs intercepted PAC-1 very poorly in Operation Desert Storm. Undoubtedly, PAC-3 is much better, after all, after a generation, but nevertheless, it is not ideal.

So, why are we analyzing all this in such detail? Yes, because we don’t care what will fly towards our pilots, don’t we?

And it turned out very peculiar story: The USA seems to have allocated 6 billion. BUT: it is not dollars that are at war, but what can be bought/produced/built with these dollars. And it’s precisely the air defense systems that Kyiv needs that pose a problem with them. They promised to promise missiles and air defense systems, and they gave dollars for it. BUT to produce the promised quantity, it takes five years by today’s standards.

And all existing reserves, or rather, what remains there in a workable form, can be sent to Israel and Taiwan, where they are desperately needed. There, you see, there is a threat of aggression from Iran and China. Even the Poles were refused; they asked for 200 missiles for the Patriots.

Everything is clear here: the threat of aggression is not aggression. That is, the missiles can sit quietly in warehouses, but in Ukraine they will not only be launched, but also quickly. And they will start demanding more.

And here in the United States they began to scratch their heads, because the prospect of being left with empty arsenals is unpleasant. Yes, there is a certain amount in warehouses in Germany and there is also an Eastern branch of the USA - Japan. Lockheed has production facilities there; they make missiles there under license.

But the Japanese have their own headaches; this is also China. Somehow, if you look, China is not particularly looking towards Japan, although the Chinese comrades do not really like the Japanese masters. But Japan seriously considers the prospect of a threat from the PRC, and therefore is extremely reluctant to part with its equipment and weapons.

Even if, hypothetically, the gentlemen of the American Stakhanovites build additional missile production facilities somewhere (it’s even difficult to predict where, but definitely not in Taiwan), these missiles will still be absorbed by the Middle East, and in the future, the Far East. In general, the dance with arms supplies to Taiwan performed by the United States looks very strange: the country itself can float away to China, just as Crimea floated away. Together with all the American junk, and this will be a very sad thing, since although the armed forces of the Republic of China do not have the most modern, they will be more than interested in what the PLA can get.

And here the question arises: since all the missiles for MIM-104 are intended for Taiwan and Israel, won’t those that Israel refuses end up at the disposal of Ukraine, because they want them so much that it hurts their teeth?

Variants are also possible. But in general, today Israel can be blamed for a lot of things, but there were no supplies of weapons to Ukraine. And it’s unlikely that, you know, it’s one thing when they pay for your complexes in full dollars or euros, but Kyiv needs it for free or at the expense of others. But whether the United States will pay Israel is a question. In general, the situation is somewhat delicate.

And then, “Patriot”, even in reserve, is a completely serious asset. Yes, it shoots down ballistic missiles with a “C”, but it is capable of shooting down airplanes, helicopters and cruise missiles and does it quite well. And Iran, with which Israel’s relations are becoming “warmer” day by day, is receiving Russian Su-35s. So this is the case when “you need such a cow yourself.” And MIM-104 may well come in handy.


In general, the events in Russia and Ukraine have shown that you can freak out and stomp your feet as much as you like, but modern warfare, saturated with drones and missile weapons, is such that there are not at least enough air defense systems in it. The Ukrainian Armed Forces used everything that was left in the bins, right down to the oldest S-125 and S-200.

So the situation is twofold. On the one hand, Israel can sell its MIM-104 Patriot, which clearly failed in battle, to the Americans, and they can send missiles to Kyiv as part of an assistance package to Ukraine. On the other hand, will Israel want to do this?

The aging Patriots, which are clearly not helped by missile modernization, will be replaced by the Israeli army with “more advanced air defense systems,” and everything will happen within two months.

First of all, we are talking about the so-called Israeli Integrated Air Defense System (IADS) with the Arrow missile and the David’s Sling complex as an addition to the Iron Dome for work in the near zone and at low altitudes.

In general, it was believed that Israel had better air defense than many: there were fighters, the Iron Dome, ships with the Barak air defense system and the naval analogue of the Iron Dome, and the Iron Beam, the latest laser air defense system used for destroying targets, including missiles, mortars and drones. Together with the “Hetz” system and “David’s Sling,” it turns out to be more than impressive.

Well, “Patriot”... A bit old. The Patriots were first used in Israel during the first Gulf War in 1991, when systems operated by the US military were deployed against Iraqi Scud missiles. Therefore, the separation of the Israeli armed forces from them does not seem like something beyond understanding. Old stuff goes into reserve. Just in case, how we stored Tanks T-62 and T-55. Because every case happens, and it’s not a matter of SVO, if you look carefully.

“Just in case” - at one time at the ARMY-2016 exhibition I saw such a T-55, with new sights and hung with dynamic protection, around which representatives of African countries danced. And a lot of such tanks were sold there, because the T-55 is 1/3 the price of the T-72, and in Africa the situation with money is so-so.


In approximately the same vein, representatives of Ukraine asked for such batteries and ammunition for them. Not surprising.

“Patriot can be called air defense systems only if they work and save lives, and do not stand motionless somewhere in storage bases. "Patriots" should be in the hands of Ukrainians right now."


Well, I won’t make a big secret, you already understand who these words belong to. To the main clown and future main executioner of the people of Ukraine, the main beggar of the whole world Zelensky.

But yes, it can burn out. They might sell it.

Gen. David Schenk, the former 10th Army Air and Missile Defense commander and commanding officer responsible specifically for supporting Israel's defenses against air and missile attacks, suggested that the United States or another country could obtain them and send them to Ukraine. In general, I noticed that American generals, after retiring, begin to speak boldly and uninhibitedly. As if there isn’t a career behind him with a gun at the back of his head.

“I am not surprised that the Israeli Patriots are mothballed due to their age and the presence of the more powerful and modern Sling of David. I think the smart thing to do would be for Israel to sell them to a third party and then they would end up in Ukraine. “I wouldn’t be surprised if the US, Germany, Poland or the Netherlands ask for these systems and interceptor missiles.”


Ukraine, through the mouth of the tireless Zelensky, turned to Greece and Spain with a request for the supply of Patriot systems, but none of these countries has yet agreed. And Israel, until today, has refused to provide direct assistance to Ukraine. It is unknown whether Jerusalem will agree to help Kyiv indirectly, through the purchase by a third country of air defense systems, which Israel places in storage.

Ukraine has at least three Patriot batteries. Receiving all eight Israeli batteries will increase the air defense capabilities of the Ukrainian Armed Forces almost threefold. The only question is whether it will be possible to get these batteries. There are chances, because the United States simply must be grateful for such an unprecedented advertising campaign organized for the Patriots by Kyiv.
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  1. -5
    7 May 2024 05: 43
    We draw conclusions, apart from advertising, Patriots are not interesting in any way, but in real life, they are not effective, and very expensive, well-promoted systems, by the way, greenhouse systems!
    1. +6
      7 May 2024 06: 05
      Quote: belovvladimir
      We draw conclusions, apart from advertising, Patriots are not interesting in any way, but in real life, they are not effective, and very expensive, well-promoted systems, by the way, greenhouse systems!

      In fact, the conclusions are quite different - apart from advertising and anti-advertising, nothing concrete is known about the Patriots.
      There is some borderline knowledge - it somehow works on U and knocks something down - otherwise the sky would be open there.
      In Israel, they also shot down something - but, it seems, they also shot down a lot of their own (in the sense of Israeli) drones.
      And that Israel for some reason (for some reason - only articles by talented fortune tellers) are transferring them to reserve.
      In general, choose an opinion to suit your taste - from unbridled optimism (not working at all) to pessimism - knocks down Daggers.
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  3. Des
    +1
    7 May 2024 06: 51
    Honored + article by a regular author(!) on VO. For the news, for the author's insertions into the translated text, for the overall intricacy)).
    However.
    It’s surprising that Israel puts the Patriot system into reserve so quickly (2 months). Or do they have so many complexes of their own?
    The main result of Iran's attack is that a few missiles are enough to destroy Israel. And they flew from a regular BG. And "Patriot" is a normal air defense system. But not against BR.
    1. 0
      8 May 2024 00: 50
      Quote: Des
      And "Patriot" is a normal air defense system.

      If B.K. Air defense is equal to attack missiles, then yes. What if there are more attacking missiles and decoys, and modern missiles are in the third echelon? Then any air defense is powerless. request We are waiting for air defense systems that operate not on missiles (expensive things), but on laser pulses (the number and speed of recharging of which depends only on the power of the “battery”), or on other physical principles. hi
  4. +14
    7 May 2024 06: 53
    Quote: belovvladimir
    We draw conclusions, apart from advertising, Patriots are not interesting in any way, but in real life, they are not effective, and very expensive, well-promoted systems, by the way, greenhouse systems!

    S-300 (S-400?) in Dzhankoy will not let you lie)
  5. +6
    7 May 2024 07: 17
    “Just in case” - at one time at the ARMY-2016 exhibition I saw such a T-55, with new sights and hung with dynamic protection, around which representatives of African countries danced. And there were a lot of such tanks sold there

    I would like to see at least one example of the sale of such tanks to Africa.
  6. +6
    7 May 2024 07: 36
    Any complex is good and dangerous, it’s all about the approach to its application. For many years, no one prepared for major wars, so there are no reserves or tactics to use. Now everything is changing, in time everything will be rebuilt
  7. +6
    7 May 2024 08: 01
    I read the article. What can I say? The author criticizes the American Patriots. I would like to get acquainted with the evidence base, but there is none. Why is Israel replacing Petriots with its complex? The cost of a missile to the Israeli complex is approximately 4 (four, Karl!) cheaper than the Patriot. The decision is reasonable.
    Now regarding the “terrible” characteristics of the Patriots. The complex was used not only in Israel, but also in Ukraine (one can recall earlier wars). According to estimates from the Ukrainian side (whoever disagrees, please provide your reasoned objection), the Petriot complex has proven itself to be excellent, knocking down more than 90% of targets during massive strikes. What else is required from an air defense system capable of shooting down ballistic missiles (kinetic interception)?
    1. -2
      7 May 2024 11: 25
      Quote: Buskan
      According to the assessments of the Ukrainian side (whoever disagrees, please provide your reasoned objection)

      It is always the asserting party that proves.
      Let the horse racers prove it.
  8. +21
    7 May 2024 08: 04
    The article is about nothing at all. Truly a Santa Barbara style soap opera.
    Back in 2009, when the Israeli company Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and the American Raytheon began jointly developing the David's Sling system, it was announced that a new system was being created to replace the MIM-23 Hawk and MIM-104 Patriot in the Israeli air defense system. The United States largely financed the development and production of the new complex and transferred some technology, so export sales are possible only in agreement with the United States. In 2023, Finland just bought David's Sling instead of the MIM-104 Patriot.
    Moreover, in 2013, after successful tests of the David's Sling system, Raytheon, together with the Norwegian Kongsberg and the Israeli Rafael, began developing the SkyCeptor (PAAC-104) complex to replace the MIM-4 Patriot. The new complex is a “hybrid” of systems from three companies - the AN/MPQ-53 radar from the MIM-104 Patriot, the Kongsberg/Raytheon control center and the Rafael Stunner missiles.
    Poland and Romania plan to purchase such complexes as part of the second stage of their Wisla program.
    That is, the Americans decided long ago that the air defense system developed in the mid-seventies of the last century needed to be changed and they began to work on this replacement long ago, in broad international cooperation, using all the best developments at the moment.
    And the author fantasizes that “something is being undermined by the Americans.” Doesn't undermine anything. There is simply a natural process of replacing one system with another, more modern one.
    1. +10
      7 May 2024 08: 23
      Thank you for your comment, which conveys more information than the article itself.
    2. +5
      7 May 2024 12: 23
      hi
      Oleg Granovsky also wrote about this:
      "....In the recent past, the Air Force had 2 Patriot divisions – the 138th (“Northern”) and the 139th (“Southern”). The total number of batteries has never been officially published; there are sources claiming that there are 8-10 of them (with 4-6 on long-term lease from Germany). Since 2020, there have been consistent reports of fleet reductions....
      The first 2 Israeli batteries were urgent American assistance; at that time, the IDF did not yet have personnel to work with the Patriot; the first delegation (mostly those who had previously served on the Hawk) left for the USA on November 25.11.90, 3. The course lasted 5 months for operators and 17.01.91 months for technicians. Due to the outbreak of the First Gulf War (4/1/1991), the personnel urgently returned to Israel. At the same time, the personnel of the Israeli batteries was supplemented by Americans, and the technicians were all Americans, in addition, the skies of Israel were defended by 43 American and 42 Dutch Patriot batteries. In January-February 1, Iraq fired 36 ballistic missiles (XNUMX Al-Hussein and XNUMX Al-Hijara) at Israel; at least XNUMX Patriot missiles were used to intercept them. Despite initial rosy reports, these missiles were not intercepted.
      So the first intercepted target (UAV) on the account of the Israeli Patriots appeared only in 2014. In the article “Patriot air defense system shot down a UAV over the Golan” I gave a list of 10 interceptions in 2014-2018. (8 UAVs and 2 aircraft: Syrian Su-24 and Su-22M4). And now it has been announced that in total the Patriots shot down 19 targets, incl. 9 during the current war.....
      ....30.04.24/138/XNUMX the commander of the XNUMXth battalion, Lt. Col. Matan, says: “Patriot is an old system that is difficult to maintain, so we are currently in the process of reducing batteries until the entire system is retired.”
      ....Indirect evidence that the missiles are old can be the case described in the article “Air Defense of the IDF Air Force in the first month of Operation Iron Swords.” On 28.03.24/13/48 at about 2:XNUMX, XNUMX missiles of the Patriot complex were fired in the Safed area. One missile intercepted a suspicious air target (apparently a UAV) over Lebanese territory. A second missile exploded over Israeli territory, causing a fire in the Biriya forest in the Upper Galilee.
      ....If you have 4 levels of missile defense (Iron Dome, David's Sling, Hetz-2 and Hetz-3) and interception capabilities and aerodynamic targets (Iron Dome and David's Sling), invest forces and means to modernize the Patriot is not advisable. In addition, the price of Israeli missiles is much lower. For example, the price of the Stunner (David's Sling missile) is called $1 million, and the MIM-104F PAC-3 MSE missile is 4 million for the US Armed Forces and 6-10 million for export.
      " https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/1291880.html
    3. +2
      7 May 2024 17: 12
      It's nice to give you a plus for your comment, dear friend. I almost fell asleep reading Roman’s article; it reminds me of a children’s school essay.
    4. +3
      7 May 2024 18: 58
      Quote: Dekabrist
      And the author fantasizes that “something is being undermined by the Americans.”

      The author loves to fantasize. This pearl alone is worth it:
      ...enterprises of Lockheed-Martin and Raytheon produce 10 missiles per week. That is, 30 per month and 350-360 per year....

      He has 3 weeks in a month. laughing
      1. +2
        7 May 2024 19: 53
        It also immediately caught my eye.
      2. +3
        7 May 2024 20: 11
        He has 3 weeks in a month

        The main thing there is not even the weeks. Firstly, Raytheon does not produce missiles for the MIM-104 Patriot at all; the general contractor for the missiles is Lockheed-Martin. Secondly, 350 missiles were produced per year in 2018. In 2023, 500 missiles were produced. In light of the events in Ukraine, Lockheed-Martin decided to use their own investments, without waiting for funding from the budget, to reach the target of 650 missiles per year, for which they built a new plant. The firm's vice president said the company sees demand. Boeing, which produces seekers for missiles, has also invested its own capital to meet growing demand.
        Therefore, all the “author’s conclusions” that are in the article are not worth a damn.
        1. +1
          8 May 2024 15: 07
          Quote: Dekabrist
          Therefore, all the “author’s conclusions” that are in the article are not worth a damn.

          Yes
    5. -1
      12 May 2024 01: 12
      Quote: Dekabrist
      That is, the Americans decided long ago that the air defense system developed in the mid-seventies of the last century needed to be changed and they began to work on this replacement long ago, in broad international cooperation, using all the best developments at the moment.

      The Americans will not change the Patriot. Patriot is being modernized, there have been several “upgrades”, and practically nothing remains from the development of the mid-70s of the last century. The next change is the replacement of the MPQ-65 radar with the MPQ-65A (LTAMDS). And the Stunner is not a replacement for the MIM-104F. The optical/IR sensor for line of sight angular velocity and angular position does not work in dense clouds.
  9. +1
    7 May 2024 09: 01
    Putting into reserve can be associated not only with the inefficiency of the systems, but also with the lack of a sufficient number of b/c
    1. 0
      10 May 2024 14: 00
      It’s simpler there - the obsolescence of systems, the cost of BC and the arrival of new Israeli-developed systems, more modern, accurate and cheaper to operate
  10. +2
    7 May 2024 09: 38
    Quote: Dekabrist
    ...
    And the author fantasizes that “something is being undermined by the Americans.” Doesn't undermine anything. There is simply a natural process of replacing one system with another, more modern one.

    Agree. The process is underway. But the author draws attention to how the process is going.
    PAC-3 missiles are still in production and their price is still high.
    The production of rockets is 360 per year and is planned to increase to 600 per year. Not enough.
    Is the new complex being produced and sold? No.
    Are Pentagon spending on the rise? Yes.
    Are US debts growing? Yes.
    Is the dollar losing ground? Yes.
    How much money will it cost to supply “Patriot” to Kyiv? Who will pay?
    For now, Europe, as the Americans believe, should do this with Russian money. And all the risks lie with Europe.
    And Europe really doesn’t want to take risks - after all, Russia will come for its money.
  11. 0
    7 May 2024 10: 54
    The question is more about the number of these patriots. if 1000 missiles fly at you, nothing will help you.
    Air defense as a line of defense must be echeloned with different installations.
    A missile that flies fast burns a lot of fuel and has a small warhead, but a missile that flies slower may have a larger warhead. They should be more afraid of missiles that do not fly very fast.
    Air defense control points must be installed separately.
    The Americans are now making mobile installations, drove it up in a car and left it
    Missiles that are flying must still be met at the border.
    1. 0
      7 May 2024 11: 00
      It is necessary to establish an air defense line every 100 km. Not the air defense itself, but detection locators.
      So Israel created echeloned air defense, line by line.
  12. +2
    7 May 2024 12: 39
    Quote: Buskan
    I read the article. What can I say? The author criticizes the American Patriots. I would like to get acquainted with the evidence base, but there is none. Why is Israel replacing Petriots with its complex? The cost of a missile to the Israeli complex is approximately 4 (four, Karl!) cheaper than the Patriot. The decision is reasonable.
    Now regarding the “terrible” characteristics of the Patriots. The complex was used not only in Israel, but also in Ukraine (one can recall earlier wars). According to estimates from the Ukrainian side (whoever disagrees, please provide your reasoned objection), the Petriot complex has proven itself to be excellent, knocking down more than 90% of targets during massive strikes. What else is required from an air defense system capable of shooting down ballistic missiles (kinetic interception)?


    190%.. Why waste time on trifles?
  13. -2
    7 May 2024 14: 06
    That's why it has the index MIM-104 - that is, bypass)
  14. -2
    7 May 2024 21: 51
    A very good article, like everything from the author, but two points were missed:

    1. "Rafal" is a threshing floor!
    2. The Su-30 will show itself yet!
  15. 0
    7 May 2024 22: 48
    “Or be a Harrier-type VTOL aircraft. The main thing is to be able to quickly soar vertically upward so as not to get overwhelmed.”
    - what is SVPP?
  16. 0
    12 May 2024 00: 39
    Moreover, the complex has a very ugly property - it fires in automatic mode, simulating an MLRS. That is, a decent consumption of missiles is just “Patriot”

    This is not Patriot. This is an algorithm for shooting at high-speed, high-altitude maneuvering targets. It is impossible to predict the preemptive meeting point of the missile defense system with the target with the required accuracy. The insufficient accuracy of the forecast is compensated by launching a large number of missiles at one target.
  17. 0
    13 May 2024 09: 38
    Quote from tsvetahaki
    There is some borderline knowledge - it somehow works on U and knocks something down - otherwise the sky would be open there.
    In Israel, they also shot down something - but, it seems, they also shot down a lot of their own (in the sense of Israeli) drones.
    And that Israel for some reason (for some reason - only articles by talented fortune tellers) are transferring them to reserve.
    In general, choose an opinion to suit your taste - from unbridled optimism (not working at all) to pessimism - knocks down Daggers.


    What makes you think that Ukrainian air defense relies only on “patriots”? Domestic air defense systems (S-300, BUK) also seem to work, and there are also imported IRIS-T and NASAMS. The sky there was not completely open even before the appearance of the “patriots,” but even now it is not completely closed.

    In fact, the Israelis would not have been averse to transferring the “patriots” to reserve back in the 90s, but there was no opportunity then. Otherwise, they would not have developed and produced their own air defense systems, having not so much industrial potential. Apparently, even then, the “patriots” were not entirely satisfied with them, like other Western-made air defense systems. Still, buying someone else’s finished product is easier and faster, and sometimes cheaper, than producing your own (considering the small circulation of your own production).
    And then the poor Jews realized that “quality is quality,” but quantity also matters. No amount of high technology will help if the enemy can simply not break through, but rather overwhelm you with numbers and oversaturate your defense mechanisms. The last Iranian missiles were not shot down not because they had particularly good performance characteristics, but because there was simply nothing to shoot them down. The air defense systems exhausted their ammunition, and Iran did not give time to reload them, launching the last wave (masterfully avoiding civilian casualties... these Persians are really smart).
    Israel found himself in the role of a brave cowboy with an unloaded revolver.
    Jews in uniform have drawn conclusions for themselves from this demonstrative action of Iran, but, of course, they will not share them publicly. These conclusions are too unpleasant for the Israeli (and not only) leadership.