Azerbaijani KSV millimeter 23 caliber

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In pursuit of the effectiveness of large-caliber rifles, many manufacturers forget that weapons people will have to shoot, and the human body is rather fragile and can bear far from all the load. Nevertheless, real monsters appear among the CWS quite often, which are already difficult to call a rifle. So, quite recently I was pleased with Azerbaijan by presenting a real “manual” cannon with a millimeter 23 caliber to everyone.

While the weapon has not yet entered mass production, I cannot share accurate information, but in general some points are known. The basis for the new rifle served as a CWS caliber 14,5 millimeters Istiglal, which was also presented relatively recently, namely in the 2008 year. Apparently, the weapon seemed thin, and in the first half of this year it is planned to expand a large-scale production of the new model. True, for me personally, it is completely incomprehensible for what exactly the large-scale production of such specific weapons, apparently, it will be not only about meeting their own needs, but also about exporting weapons, which, taking into account an interesting caliber, may even bring considerable profit. Still, there are a lot of people who think that the more the better.

The appearance of the rifle is such that you involuntarily think about the complexes of the designers who worked on the weapon, however, in this case both the weight and the dimensions are more than justified, since the cartridge is really powerful this time. It seems strange that the weapon is not installed on the machine, the same South African large-caliber Truvelo sniper rifles with a caliber of 20 millimeters are suitable for use only from the machine, this same monster has a bipod. Naturally, with such a patron has not been without a set of measures to reduce the recoil of the weapon when fired, it really very much kicks. While it is possible to speak with confidence about a rather massive muzzle brake-recoil compensator and a butt, in the construction of which there is a spring. The quickest thing is that it didn’t stop there, which is clearly seen from the photo of this sample, but the details will be a little later.

If we talk about how accurate this rifle is, then it is better not to speak at all. Even without getting acquainted with this weapon it is clear that there can be no question of any accuracy without a machine tool. On the other hand, in such a caliber as that of this apparatus, the tasks of the weapon are somewhat different, which usually face the CWS. The main objectives of the rifle is light armored vehicles, auto transport, radar, demining, that is, those tasks that either allow for several shots slowly, or it is very difficult to miss. True, here I have a question, where to search for this weapon of snipers, since I strongly doubt that someone will agree to shoot a weapon more than once.

Azerbaijani KSV millimeter 23 caliberThe ammunition that is used in weapons is most likely a cartridge of 23x152 mm, which was used previously in aviation VY gun and anti-aircraft mounts 2A7 and 2A14. However, it should be borne in mind that so far there is little information on weapons, so this cartridge can be completely new, although it was unlikely that they began to invent a bicycle and, if they worked on ammunition, then on the basis of this cartridge.

The rifle is most likely non-autoloading, although there is information on the opposite, but I personally find it difficult to believe in the self-loading of this monster, given the use of bipods, and not a full-fledged machine.

In general, please do not treat this article as a full review, it’s rather news that the release of the CWS with the 23 caliber of a millimeter and no more, and what happens as a result, will be seen in the near future.

PS Perhaps the rifle uses an 23x115 cartridge, which is more close to reality. Thank you for the tip Bigriver.
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  1. +5
    12 February 2013 08: 44
    Well, about the cartridge - maybe 23 mm for a reduced sleeve, aviation, for all post-war guns, but still - they smoke there tightly. If from 20 mm, they say, the arrow moves, then what will happen here ??
    And then what - 30 mm ??? belay
    Or 37?
    1. +3
      12 February 2013 10: 37
      A 30 mm has long been) Maadi-Griffin 30, there are also pistols chambered for .50BMG ...
      1. +5
        12 February 2013 10: 47
        Have you heard anything about this unit?



        1. +2
          12 February 2013 11: 03
          Flashed a couple of times, but did not pay attention to him, to be honest. Added to the list on the queue in the article)
    2. Yarbay
      +5
      12 February 2013 18: 21
      Quote: Mikhado
      they smoke hard there. If from 20 mm, they say, the arrow moves, then what will happen here ??

      Power is supplied from box magazines for 3 rounds (20mm) or 10 rounds (14,5mm). The main difference between the rifle and some other samples is the presence in the design of a powerful recoil mechanism, which includes a hydraulic damper and a pneumatic knurling (like artillery systems). When fired, a rigidly locked barrel rolls back inside the weapon body, thereby mitigating powerful recoil. In addition, the developed muzzle brake and the shock-absorbing pillow on the butt plate reduce the return.
    3. Arthur
      -1
      19 November 2013 02: 45
      Srazu vidno shto choban skonstruiroval eto dermo
  2. +3
    12 February 2013 09: 00
    How much does such a monster weigh? You need to attach the chassis to the kit to it.
    Wow - anti-tank rifles are returning. lol
    I wouldn’t shoot from such shit - my shoulder is a pity. It probably flounders so that you can hear it on the other end of Azerbaijan.
    In short, this thing seems completely pointless to me! Where is the arms factory in Azerbaijan?
    1. +3
      12 February 2013 09: 37
      Good morning Andrey, there is a Ministry of Defense Industry in Azerbaijan, a large number of products are produced both in their own and in cooperation with other countries, including Russia. Here is a read. http://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%
      D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%
      D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%8B%D1%88%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0
      %B8_%D0%90%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%B4%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0#sec
      nation_3
      and about 23 mm, I also think too much, Istiglal with an armor-piercing bullet and copes with lightly armored targets so well. A tank and 23 mm will not take.
    2. 0
      12 February 2013 10: 34
      Istiglal 14,5 caliber weighs almost 34 kilogram 33,8 if exactly without ammunition and optics. The length is 2256 millimeters. I think that this unit under 50 kilogram will be that, given the powerful patron, even a plus.
      1. Yarbay
        0
        12 February 2013 13: 29
        Quote: scrabler
        Istiglal caliber 14,5 weighs almost 34 kilograms,

        Why do you think so??
        Have you seen this weapon, held in your hands ??
        there is no 34kg there!
        Advanced weighs 15 kg!
        1. 0
          12 February 2013 13: 54
          Inclined to trust information from Maxim Popenker request If you reduced the weight to 15 a kilo, then, in my opinion, they did a lot of stupid, since then the padded jacket will actually have to be folded several times between the shooter and the butt.
          1. Yarbay
            +2
            12 February 2013 13: 59
            Quote: scrabler
            He is inclined to trust information from Maxim Popenker. If they reduced the weight to 15 kilos, then, in my opinion, they did a lot of stupidity, because then you really have to fold a quilted jacket between the shooter and the butt several times.

            I don’t know Maxim, I trust myself I saw the first samples of a rifle, well, even want more than 20 kg, they didn’t weigh !!
            Yes, you do not need to add padded jackets, everything is fine, the return is not the same as you imagine !!
            I think Maxim meant something completely different !!
            Not the weight of the rifle, but the total weight with the bells and whistles, it was also reduced!
            1. +2
              12 February 2013 14: 10
              No, well, if you take even twenty kilos, then you need to get 40 kilo to 20 kilograms, but we’re talking about a sniper rifle, and not talking about a machine gun, even letting the cartridges weigh more than 100 grams. If so, now I can accomplish my goal so that I can correct it, maybe I just made a mistake, it also happens, thanks for correcting it. Maxim Popenker - the founder of this resource here guns.ru
              1. Yarbay
                +3
                12 February 2013 14: 16
                Quote: scrabler
                No, well, if you take even twenty kilos, then you need to get 40 kilo to 20 kilograms, but we’re talking about a sniper rifle, and not talking about a machine gun, even letting the cartridges weigh more than 100 grams. If so, now I can accomplish my goal so that I can correct it, maybe I just made a mistake, it also happens, thanks for correcting it. Maxim Popenker - the founder of this resource here guns.ru

                I'm talking about * Istiglal * -there everything went in two bales .. each bale weighed 10-12 kg !!
                Maybe a little more or less !!
                Honestly, I was not interested, especially since I can’t lift weights!))



                In 2009, the Ministry of Defense Industry of Azerbaijan began production of a new modified large-caliber sniper rifle “IST-12,7” [1] which was ready in 2010. The caliber of the new rifle is 12,7 millimeters and weighs 15 kilograms. For the rest of the characteristics, the IST-12,7 is no different from the first model.
                this is from the wiki!
          2. Arthur
            0
            19 November 2013 02: 47
            oni baranu shkuru tuda vstavayat
        2. +3
          12 February 2013 15: 21
          Quote: Yarbay
          Why do you think so??
          Have you seen this weapon, held in your hands ??
          there is no 34kg there!
          Advanced weighs 15 kg!

          Alibek, according to Jamalov, the correspondent of Mehdiyev reports that the weight of a 14,5 mm rifle was 34 kg, after improvement it was possible to reduce to 28 kg, 16 kg weighs a Shimshek rifle chambered for 12,7 * 108. So the 23 mm rifle does not not less than 34 kg.
          1. Yarbay
            +2
            12 February 2013 15: 27
            Quote: baltika-18
            Alibek, according to Jamalov, the correspondent of Mehdiyev reports that the weight of a 14,5 mm rifle was 34 kg, after improvement it was possible to reduce to 28 kg, 16 kg weighs a Shimshek rifle chambered for 12,7 * 108. So the 23 mm rifle does not not less than 34 kg.

            maybe I made a mistake in the modifications !!!
            But these bales did not seem heavy to me!
            I didn’t think about the weight of this weapon before !!
            but still I think it was less than 30 kg, well, it did not look 34 kg, although the minister knows more!
            1. +1
              12 February 2013 15: 43
              Quote: Yarbay

              Quote: baltika-18
              Alibek, according to Jamalov, the correspondent of Mehdiyev reports that the weight of a 14,5 mm rifle was 34 kg, after improvement it was possible to reduce to 28 kg, 16 kg weighs a Shimshek rifle chambered for 12,7 * 108. So the 23 mm rifle does not not less than 34 kg.
              maybe I made a mistake in the modifications !!!

              Maybe. I don’t understand why such monsters alone. Failing a person at a long distance so 12.7 is enough in full. There are other means of destruction there, more effective ones.
              1. +2
                12 February 2013 15: 55
                It is called antimaterial
              2. Yarbay
                +5
                12 February 2013 15: 57
                Quote: baltika-18
                Maybe. I don’t understand why such monsters alone. Failing a person at a long distance so 12.7 is enough in full. There are other means of destruction there, more effective ones.

                There, Geidar wrote correctly below, on our front there is a specificity !!
                There, on the front line, all movements are constantly observed and it is dangerous to keep equipment so close!
                and such a monster is quite good to keep the enemy in constant worry!
                It is not for nothing that with the advent of this weapon, constant proposals began to withdraw snipers from the front line from the side of the enemy and geyevropy !!
            2. +6
              12 February 2013 15: 46
              It seems that Aliyev is not holding hands, it means he managed to reduce weight
              1. +1
                12 February 2013 16: 10
                15-17 kilo seems
              2. +1
                12 February 2013 17: 54
                laughing He is not holding IST a black arrow.
                1. +3
                  12 February 2013 22: 22
                  Is that her?
                  Turks write weight to her 20 kg
                  1. +2
                    13 February 2013 00: 00
                    This is IST 12,7. If you believe the old sources then 15 kg.
                    1. +3
                      13 February 2013 00: 17
                      Teknik Özellikler:

                      Kaliber: .14.5x114mm
                      Etkili Menzili: 3,000 m (9,843 ft)
                      Azami Menzil: 10,000 m (32,808 ft)
                      Çalışma Sistemi: Bolt-action, tek tek
                      Şarjör Kapasitesi: 10 + 1
                      İlk Hızı: 1,132 m / s (3,714 ft / s)
                      Ağırlığı (Boş Şarjörlü, dürbünsüz): 44.0 lbs (20.0 kg)
                      Üretildiği Ülke: Azerbeycan
                      Türkiye: Milli Savunma Bakanlığı tarafından TSK'ya alınması istenilmektedir

                      I read would like to use titanium somewhere
              3. OTAKE
                0
                13 February 2013 05: 51
                still such a wild boar would strain)) such and 70-80 will raise and will not blink an eye)
                1. Arthur
                  0
                  19 November 2013 02: 49
                  pravi na vse sto))))))))))) plus vam
    3. 0
      12 February 2013 12: 55
      And besides the chassis and the tractor it would not hurt to think.
    4. Yarbay
      +4
      12 February 2013 13: 37
      Quote: Iraclius
      I wouldn’t shoot from such shit - my shoulder is a pity.

      They shoot and do not mind the shoulder!
      1. 0
        12 February 2013 13: 56
        And back under the chuck 14,5х114, but on the shooting of the sample described above would look.
        1. 0
          12 February 2013 20: 48
          nobody wants to shoot from it
          1. 0
            12 February 2013 21: 42
            No, if the cartridge is 23х152, then yes, but if the cartridge is 23х115, then this is more acceptable recourse I decided to ask questions of interest directly, so that in the near future there will be answers to them.
            1. Yarbay
              +1
              12 February 2013 22: 58
              Quote: scrabler
              I decided to ask questions of interest directly, so that in the near future there will be answers to them

              and who was asked ??
              At the designer ??
              1. +1
                13 February 2013 08: 44
                Not really, sent a letter to the Telemechanika plant, that is, from the manufacturer, and not from the designer. This means that it is now precisely known that the cartridge in it uses 23х115, everything else has been transferred from the 14,5 variant. The final weight and dimensions of the weapon are not yet known even to them. Well, something like this.
    5. Yarbay
      +3
      12 February 2013 14: 34
      Quote: Iraclius
      Where is the arms factory in Azerbaijan?





      1. Yarbay
        +5
        12 February 2013 14: 39

        that’s all that is released in Azerbaijan in this clip

        Made in AZERBAYCAN !!!!!!!!
        1. +5
          12 February 2013 16: 23
          And not a little is produced, and everything is counterfeit :) ... just do it ... purely humanly happy for Azerbaijan - everything is in order with weapons :).
          1. Yarbay
            +2
            12 February 2013 16: 38
            Quote: Geisenberg
            And not a little is released, and everything is counterfeit :)

            This is just a part, a lot more different weapons are produced !!
            As for counterfeiting, where to start))
  3. +5
    12 February 2013 09: 11
    You are trying on everything on your shoulders, but meanwhile the Azerbaijani horsemen seem to be the most broad-shouldered in the world. smile
    1. +2
      12 February 2013 10: 32
      Well, someone shot him already, I would like to see a person of this smile It's also interesting what kind of optics is on the device, or is it also disposable, like a sniper laughing
      1. Yarbay
        +4
        12 February 2013 13: 45
        [quote = scrabler] Well, someone shot him already, I would like to see this person [/ quote]

        He shot and shot with me, the accuracy is amazing !!

        Here he shoots a journalist not heroic build!

        [quote = scrabler]
        1. 0
          12 February 2013 13: 57
          Cartridge 14,5x114, I meant what is described in the article, namely a rifle caliber 23 millimeter.
      2. Yarbay
        +3
        12 February 2013 15: 00
        Quote: scrabler
        It’s also interesting what kind of optics is on the device

        Together in my opinion with Carl Zeiss !!
        In general, we have our own excellent optics, back in the USSR !!
    2. Yarbay
      +3
      12 February 2013 13: 39
      Quote: qwert

      You are trying on everything on your shoulders, but meanwhile the Azerbaijani horsemen seem to be the most broad-shouldered in the world.

      Well, here shoots * broad-shouldered * in my opinion a journalist in general!

  4. +1
    12 February 2013 09: 35
    In any case, an interesting sample ...
    1. +1
      12 February 2013 10: 30
      I am interested in it primarily in the recoil damping system, judging by the image of something interesting namudri in the receiver, maybe even hydraulics.
      1. 0
        12 February 2013 12: 05
        They amused the words that more than once no one would agree to shoot ... Well, yes! The first time he will yell with a good obscenity because of multiple fractures of the bones of the shoulder girdle! And then, when (if!) Grows together, he will run with a shovel to look for the designer of this device! And make him shoot himself! laughing
        1. Yarbay
          +4
          12 February 2013 13: 49
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The words amused that more than once no one would agree to shoot ...

          Amused in vain, on the contrary, who once shot still wants))))))))))))))
          Already these weapons were bought in Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia is going to acquire!
          1. 0
            12 February 2013 15: 20
            I read that in Turkey they want to remake
            1. Yarbay
              +2
              12 February 2013 15: 25
              Quote: ayyildiz
              I read that in Turkey they want to remake

              [there is already such an option !!
              I gave a link from the wiki!
      2. Yarbay
        +1
        12 February 2013 13: 48
        Quote: scrabler
        I am interested in it primarily in the recoil damping system, judging by the image of something interesting namudri in the receiver, maybe even hydraulics.

        this is written in the article about this weapon!
        1. 0
          12 February 2013 14: 01
          Um ... If you read carefully, then I only wrote my assumptions in the article, which I said several times, I lowered some points in order not to misinform just in case I am mistaken, since there is no exact information about a rifle with an 23 caliber of a millimeter. You give everywhere as an example 2008 rifle of the year chambered for 14,5x114. The model described in the article will only be released this year and virtually nothing is known about it yet. I have nothing against Istiglal, it is quite an adequate weapon, but the version with the 23x152 cartridge seems to me a brute force. At least if the machine is not used.
          1. Yarbay
            +1
            12 February 2013 14: 08
            Quote: scrabler
            If you read carefully, then in the article I wrote only my assumptions

            I'm not talking about your article!
            About weapons of 2008, Sanya gave a link!
            Quote: scrabler
            since there is no exact information about the 23 mm rifle.

            it's true..
            Quote: scrabler
            . You always give an example of a 2008 rifle chambered for 14,5x114.
            And I have not seen another!
          2. +1
            12 February 2013 17: 01
            scrabler
            .... but the variant with the cartridge 23x152 seems to me too much.

            And where does infa come from, what exactly is an anti-aircraft shot, and not an aviation 23x115?
            At the extreme, the recoil momentum, as if not half, is lower than that of 23x152.
            1. 0
              12 February 2013 17: 21
              Well, if so, then everything becomes clear. there are almost no questions left))) Here the nomenclature will be wider and the arrows will not be disposable))) Infa about 23х152
              Ammunition, which is used in weapons, probably
              That is just an assumption. Based on the fact that ammunition does have a distinct advantage over the 14,5x114. But how to cope with the impact without a machine - a mystery. We are waiting for official data smile
    2. -1
      12 February 2013 15: 59
      Quote: rennim
      In any case, an interesting sample ..

      The sample may be interesting, but not original. In 1998, South Africa chambered for 14,5 * 114 Aerotec NTV, India "Vidvansak" is also 14,5 * 114. Photo AerotekNTV, which resembles something.
      1. Yarbay
        +1
        12 February 2013 16: 39
        Quote: baltika-18
        The sample may be interesting, but not original. In 1998, South Africa chambered for 14,5 * 114 Aerotec NTV, India "Vidvansak" is also 14,5 * 114. Photo AerotekNTV, which resembles something.

        I read about this, but the difference is big in the principles of weapons and in their technical solutions !!
  5. avt
    +1
    12 February 2013 09: 45
    This marvel is so marvelous you can say rightly! laughing Well, exactly the continuation of the cartoon "Last year's snow was falling" Current and the general is seen in a mustache and yelling LOW, WILL BE LITTLE! You don't even know what else to expect from them. Maybe they will do 152 right away? So as not to suffer. The author pleased +
    1. +3
      12 February 2013 10: 28
      The same picture the brain painted laughing For example, here is a variant Truvelo SR chambered for 20х82. At least an easy machine added something ...
  6. +1
    12 February 2013 09: 55
    Weapon "disposable sniper")))
    1. borisst64
      0
      12 February 2013 10: 05
      Exactly!
      The ammunition of the rifle includes 10 rounds and ten shooters. )))
    2. 0
      12 February 2013 10: 23
      Alternative name "Hello, shattered shoulder" smile
      1. 0
        12 February 2013 12: 08
        You can safely design such rifles with embedded 50 g of TNT in the butt, which will be detonated a second after the shot! So that the sniper is not tormented! hi
  7. +1
    12 February 2013 10: 34
    No comments ... The miracle of hostile technology ... Designed by reptilians to destroy people on the one hand, and on the other! "One shot, two corpses!", And the target and the shooter!
    But seriously, it's easier to use the RPG-7. And the effective firing range is similar, but the result is steeper. Such a rifle, of course, "hits" further, but who will get out of it ....
  8. 416sd
    +10
    12 February 2013 10: 54
    Colleagues, do not measure with your arshin. The Azerbaijani Armed Forces in the zone of contact with the Armenian Armed Forces in Karabakh have rather specific tasks. The enemy is mainly at heights, the distance is from 30 to 300 meters, while the enemy in many areas used reinforced concrete fortifications. Such a toy is very welcome. and proved to be good, because tested in combat conditions. In such conditions, power is not important, but accuracy.

    RPG doesn’t vomit - try to shoot from an RPG at an enemy who is at a distance of 50 meters in cover, YOU WAIT and 24 hours a day aim at you just like you at him. In this case, you will have to leave the shelter and at least stand on one knee.

    Ammunition includes not five or ten people, but two. And Istiglal already bought the armed forces of Romania and Pakistan.

    I didn't shoot this shit, but watched the shooting - there were no shattered shoulders. And from Istiglal he shot himself - everything was very "soft".

    ISTIQLAL 14.5
    1. +2
      12 February 2013 11: 08
      Well, you do not compare cartridges 14,5x114 and 23x152, the difference there hoo what. But 14,5x114 is really a great option for the CWS, so nothing was forgotten about it before. And since there was a person who is familiar with this sample, then immediately a bunch of questions.
      1. What kind of recoil damping system is used when shooting?
      2. Is the monster self-charged and if so, what automation system is used in it?
      3. What kind of standard optics and whether it can withstand?
      4. Is the weapon used only on a bipod or is there a machine for it?
      5. Is the original cartridge 23x152 really used or is it weakened?
      Well, something like this smile Thank you in advance for the answers. hi
      1. +3
        12 February 2013 12: 41
        I accept thanks hi here is the link: http://world.guns.ru/sniper/large-caliber-sniper-rifles/az/istiglal_14_5-r.html
  9. nnkfrschk
    0
    12 February 2013 11: 01
    Yes, from such a gun unless to shoot in a cuirass. And this is not a joke, but an assumption - a steel or strong plastic shoulder pad will reduce the recoil energy, evenly distributing it over a large area.
  10. the gray wolf
    +2
    12 February 2013 11: 31
    a couple of shots from these rifles.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBU2MKX6bdw
    1. 0
      12 February 2013 11: 50
      Back on the video rifle chambered for 14,5x114, and not the sample described above.
      1. the gray wolf
        +3
        12 February 2013 11: 59
        return 23 is almost the same. wait and see winked
  11. +1
    12 February 2013 12: 41
    Here is the quote "As it later turned out from the prisoners, the 14,5-mm rifle" Al-Battar II "has such a strong recoil that it will not be possible to cope with it alone. Therefore, the fighter-sniper folded his quilted jacket several times, laid it between the rifle butt and then another gunman fell on top of him. This is the only way to compensate for the terrible recoil of the handicraft weapons. Interestingly, the SOBR sniper eliminated the entire "crew" of that rifle from Komsomolsky with one bullet. It seems that the payment for recoil compensation was too high. " So, most likely the patron, autumn is very coarse.
  12. 0
    12 February 2013 14: 29
    It would be advisable to use it as an anti-sniper rifle. Complete with a light machine (like TRAP) and a ballistic computer, that's just mobility ...
  13. +2
    12 February 2013 14: 50
    I would also like to see our 14.5 mm rifle (and I’m sure that our gunsmiths could make the return acceptable). Well, and more - as for me it is already too much.
    1. +1
      12 February 2013 17: 33
      In principle, nothing complicated, because we have the AN-94 with a recoil barrel. The first two shots he had almost no recoil, and the rifle has no automatic mode, so Nikonov’s system is quite suitable for one shot. That's just the AN-94 per kilogram weighs more than the AK-74, what is the result of the use of such a solution on the SWR is unknown.
  14. 0
    12 February 2013 16: 27
    In the museum I saw a 45mm gun made for partisans during the Second World War. There is so perfect a muzzle brake compensator that the trigger mechanism is made in the form of a pistol grip. I think if there is a need, they will make a 30-mm SWR without a machine tool.
  15. rubber_duck
    -3
    12 February 2013 17: 05
    Yes, it’s hard for them in Azerbaijan. In Russia, they prefer to use self-propelled rifles to solve such problems ... laughing
    1. Yarbay
      +2
      12 February 2013 17: 32
      Quote: rubber_duck
      In Russia, they prefer to use self-propelled rifles to solve such problems ...

      Something I did not see in Russia self-propelled rifles of this caliber and in the mountains !!
      1. rubber_duck
        -1
        12 February 2013 19: 29
        That's just in the highlands in my days, self-propelled rifles ZU-23-2 on a wheeled drive and ZSU-23-4 were used.
        1. Yarbay
          0
          12 February 2013 23: 47
          Quote: rubber_duck
          That's just in the highlands in my days, self-propelled rifles ZU-23-2 on a wheeled drive and ZSU-23-4 were used.

          Well yes))))))))
          Anti-aircraft weapons compared with a rifle)))))
          This is good and we have it !!
          But this is from Soviet times !!
          1. rubber_duck
            0
            13 February 2013 21: 14
            Quote: Yarbay
            Well yes))))))))
            Anti-aircraft weapons compared with a rifle)))))
            This is good and we have it !!
            But this is from Soviet times !!


            There, a laughing smiley was specially put. But for Azerbaijanis, this is apparently a too subtle hint, what to do ... And the keywords in my comment were "TO SOLVE SIMILAR PROBLEMS". Give me at least a few problems, for the solution of which a 23mm (!) Rifle is needed, transported (you are talking to me about "mountainous terrain") by three soldiers (at least!). That is, tasks that a 12,7mm rifle cannot perform, but can, at the cost of terrible inconvenience, be performed by a 23mm rifle. Or a sniper is produced in Azerbaijan cartridge 23mm caliber projectile? Then there are no questions, in Azerbaijan, in fact, they developed an innovative sniper complex. But, I repeat my question, for what tasks? What is the sacred meaning, so to speak?

            PS For the gifted. I laughed at the fact that the tasks for which automatic guns are designed cannot be solved with rifles in principle. I admit that in Azerbaijan they can cut off the barrel from the D-30 and release a 122-mm rifle ...

            P.P.S
            Quote: Yarbay
            This is good and we have it !!
            But this is from Soviet times !!

            And you have all the "good" from the Soviet era. When the "good" ends, dry the oars. Or snack on flippers, it's anyone else.
  16. Yarbay
    +3
    12 February 2013 18: 05
    Azerbaijan modernized the Istiglal anti-material rifle (designed to destroy armored vehicles and shelters) caliber 14,5 mm. APA reports referring to the Minister of Defense Industry Yaver Jamalov.

    According to Jamalov, the rifle was technically refined and made easier (the weight dropped from 35 to 28 kilograms). How exactly the weapon was finalized is not specified. In 2010, Yaver Jamalov presented such a rifle to King of Jordan Abdullah II.

    In addition, Jamalov's department has created a new Yalguzag sniper rifle of 7,62x51 mm caliber (meets NATO standards) and a new machine gun. "The firing range of the rifle is 7,1 meters, the store is designed for ten rounds, the rifle weighs 1000 kilograms. The firing range of a machine gun is 1080 meters, weight is seven kilograms, and the length is XNUMX millimeters," Trend quotes the minister.
    At the same time, a new sniper rifle of 23 mm caliber is being developed in Azerbaijan. "Most likely, this weapon will be ready in the first half of 2013. After that, we will start mass production of the gun," the minister was quoted as saying by APA.

    In addition, Azerbaijani engineers managed to significantly increase the firing range of 60- and 82-mm mortars of local production. 60 mm guns began to shoot at 4000 meters instead of 1600, and 82 mm guns at 5000 instead of 2500 meters.

    During communication with reporters, Trend reports, Jamalov also spoke about the creation of a new reconnaissance vehicle. The armored car is equipped with a 23 mm caliber gun, coaxial 7,62 mm machine gun, an AQ-17 grenade launcher and other weapons.

    Another novelty of the Azerbaijani defense industry was the 15-barreled multiple launch rocket system based on the MT-LB machine, armed with 57 mm caliber rockets... For patrol missions, Azerbaijani industrialists have created a new machine "Gyurza". It is equipped with two 7,62 mm machine guns and one 12,7 mm machine gun.
    In March 2012, it was reported that Azerbaijan plans to develop "equipment of the future" for its military personnel. It is expected to include modern communication facilities, optical and thermal vision devices, as well as photo and video surveillance equipment. The uniform will be produced using nanotechnology.
    http://lenta.ru/news/2012/12/17/firearms/
  17. -3
    12 February 2013 19: 52
    And who will be the suicide bomber? I personally do not agree to shoot from such a fig.
    1. Yarbay
      +3
      12 February 2013 23: 02
      Quote: Vasya
      Personally, I don’t agree to shoot from such a crap

      And you will not be asked)))))))))
      Once they came up with such a weapon, there is someone to shoot))))))))
  18. Edward85
    0
    12 February 2013 22: 58
    I’m wondering what the build quality of these weapons is and at what plant they are produced. I remember my father told me that in the 90s AK tried to collect so they were torn in their hands. Really learned to do.
    1. Yarbay
      +3
      12 February 2013 23: 21
      Quote: Edward85
      I remember my father told me that in the 90s AK tried to collect so they were torn in their hands. Really learned to do

      You do not confuse specialized production with artisanal !!
      What your father tells you is not entirely true !!
      At one of the factories, a group of workers tried to create an automatic machine according to the drawings, but the special services knew about it and gave them the appropriate materials !!
      This was not a mass release!
      Quote: Edward85
      I’m wondering what the build quality of these weapons is and at what plant they are produced.

      The quality is high, by the way, a license was bought for AK and it is already being released called Khazri!
      1. OTAKE
        0
        13 February 2013 05: 59
        [img] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Vahan2.JPG/800px-V
        ahan2.JPG? uselang = en [/ img]

        :)) VAGAN, taxis)
      2. +2
        13 February 2013 10: 05
        If there is an appropriate technological base, and with a good design and technological development of the sample, and in the presence of the necessary materials, you can produce any sample and establish its mass production, with the necessary quality. This is the law of production.
        But the main requirement should still be considered the price-quality ratio.
        There are "Kalashnik-like" samples in the world that are superior to AK in many respects (with a milled receiver instead of the native stamped one). But this improvement in quality is overshadowed by a greatly increased price.
        Azerbaijan buys an assault. The rifle Tabor-weapon is good and not cheap. But purchases in the required limited quantity. And the main part of the army will be armed with Khazri of domestic production. This is a normal economically verified position.
  19. Stoik
    -1
    13 February 2013 01: 36
    Gee-gee ... At the 30 mm. 2A42 gun recoil is 7 (seven) tons. I do not know how much this one has, but a fragmented shoulder is guaranteed. Campaign at this reusable rifle will be disposable soldiers ...
  20. Cpa
    +2
    13 February 2013 01: 43
    As for recoil, a lot of myths are divorced, recoil grows with an increase in the difference between the weight of the bullet and the weight of the weapon, all other things being equal (from physics) .Because the difference in the weight of the bullet and weapon decreases, and the energy of the shot increases, the recoil will be comparable and adequate. comparison with the previous caliber.
    PS Remember, on AKM there is no DTK, but on AK-74 there is compensation for the difference in the weight of the bullet and weapon. soldier
  21. 0
    13 February 2013 04: 22
    the liquid hauler is direct artillery, with such ammunition it is unlikely that it has a weight of less than 20 kg, as it is necessary to carry NSW with you.
    The Americans also seem to have a 20 mm M 107 sniper rifle to mine, there the aiming range was declared at 1500 m, and there the ammunition looks similar to the AGS shots,
    and here’s like a magpie of manual use