American savings on nuclear forces

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The other day US Deputy Secretary of State Rose Gottemeller is arriving in Moscow on an official visit. During the events it is planned to hold several negotiations on various topics. One of the “points of the program” of the American official became public property before the start of the visit. According to Kommersant, she brought a new proposal to Russia concerning the future course of nuclear disarmament. Moreover, if you believe the sources of the publication, this proposal may be one of the most daring in stories international treaties concerning the reduction of nuclear weapons.

American savings on nuclear forces


A few days ago, US Vice President Joe Biden officially announced that his country is ready to continue negotiations on nuclear arms reduction and already has a number of considerations on this subject. According to available data, as an additional argument in favor of the start of new negotiations, the United States cites the fact that if a new treaty is signed, both countries will be able to save a total of about eight billion dollars a year. The cost of such savings will be an additional reduction in the number of deployed and stored nuclear warheads.

At present, in accordance with the terms of the START III treaty, the United States and Russia may have at the same time no more than one and a half thousand deployed nuclear warheads. According to Kommersant, Americans consider it possible to reduce this number by about a third. At the same time, the US nuclear potential will not lose from such a reduction, since the proposal was developed based on the results of a special study and a change in views on potential targets and methods of using nuclear weapons. It is noteworthy that with a reduction in the number of deployed nuclear warheads, the total number of such weapons in the United States can be reduced by almost two times. Financially, this will have the following implications for the United States. It will be possible to reduce the number of promising strategic submarines needed from 10-12 to 8-10, which will result in a reduction in the cost of 15-17 billions of dollars. In addition, it will be possible to disband or transform one of the land rocket units and save about 350-370 million per year. With the current ongoing search for ways to save on military spending, this benefit looks more than interesting and promising.

The proposal to reduce nuclear arsenals, as it became known, is supported by several high-ranking US military and civilian officials, from the head of the Global Air Force Shock Command, Lieutenant General James Kowalski to a group of senators. In addition, among the supporters of further cuts, former Senator Chuck Hagel is seen, who is currently being appointed for the post of Minister of Defense. Thus, the likelihood of a reduction by the United States of its nuclear weapons is constantly growing. According to some sources, the proposal to reduce in the near future can be made even unilaterally, regardless of the views of official Moscow.

As we see, further reductions in nuclear weapons belonging to the United States have certain economic grounds. However, strategic weapons are clearly not the thing that Americans will reduce only for economic reasons. According to the available data, besides saving, a prerequisite to the reduction proposal was the revision of the strategy for the use of nuclear weapons. Some time ago, several divisions of the Pentagon and other related organizations prepared a report reviewing the current geopolitical situation and possible targets for nuclear weapons. Some details of this report were freely available, although they were not officially confirmed.

According to the available parts of the report, the United States no longer sees several countries as potential targets for their missiles. First of all, it is Syria and Iraq. The first is weakened by the civil war and will not pose any danger to the United States and its allies over the next few years, while the second one joined the category of US friends. As for other countries, for example, China, the DPRK or Russia, they continue to be on the list of goals. At the same time, the old strategy of using nuclear weapons - a strike with the destruction of the leadership of the enemy country and the infliction of fatal damage to its armed forces - is no longer considered effective and promising. According to the new report, it is enough to "keep the spotlight" on only the main economic, industrial and military goals. According to various estimates, such a change of strategy only in the case of Russia's containment will make it possible to have half as many missiles and warheads on duty.

It turns out that with the help of a new agreement or amendments to an existing START III, the United States will be able to, as they say, kill two birds with one stone. First, it will be possible to reduce the costs of maintaining and updating its strategic nuclear forces, and secondly, in the course of such savings, not only not to lose in a qualitative aspect, but also to a certain extent, to update our methods of using nuclear weapons. At the same time, this reduction can only be considered useful for the United States. Now it is not quite clear what conditions will be offered to Russia and, as a result, it is still too early to talk about the benefits for our country. For example, taking on new commitments may force our country to reconsider plans to create new means of delivery, which may significantly hit some defense enterprises.

In the context of the new American proposal, it is worth remembering the history of all previous agreements. START and other treaties similar to it were signed after many years of consultations, negotiations and information gathering. None of the parties wanted to lose anything and therefore, negotiations often turned into bargaining for a particular item. Therefore, the current proposal for additional reductions in nuclear weapons - if it interests the Russian leadership - will reach the stage of a ready-made treaty, in the best case, in the next few years. If Moscow doesn’t see anything useful in the American proposal, then the United States will either have to forget about saving and saving, or start it unilaterally. Perhaps in the second case, Washington will receive an additional argument in disputes in the form of a voluntary additional reduction of nuclear weapons, demonstrating the peaceability of the United States. However, in order to find out whether the United States will have such an argument or not, you need to wait for the results of the current negotiations.


On the materials of the sites:
http://kommersant.ru/
http://lenta.ru/
http://newsru.com/
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  1. +34
    12 February 2013 08: 07
    You can’t listen to the USA, they threw us then and then! We must always remember that if the United States does something, then it is beneficial for them!
    1. +30
      12 February 2013 08: 33
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      You can’t listen to the USA, they threw us then and then!

      I agree. The United States needs a reduction so that in the event of war our retaliatory strike would not cause unacceptable damage, especially in light of the construction of missile defense in Europe. In conventional weapons, they are still superior to us and, apparently, will be superior in the near future, therefore only effective and serious nuclear deterrence.
      1. +27
        12 February 2013 08: 50
        I read an American article on this matter, wrote it by a real US patriot in the style of "go ... or polymers." In general, they have a complete ass of young people there with a sufficient level of education to service nuclear weapons and create new ones, at enterprises there are old people of 60-70 years old, no development is being carried out, a full schedule ... (the driver who transported nuclear elements, washed down in a bar and lost the keys to the car and the case was not isolated), the degradation of nuclear charges in service is 70-90%, that's why they are being reduced. After 10 years, they will have ~ 100 ICBMs with warheads in the region of 800-1000 units, so that's why they are reducing.
        1. +18
          12 February 2013 10: 45
          Since they are fleeing to us with a treaty, it means that in this sphere of armaments weakened. And it is better to fight the enemy when he is weak, and not when he is strong. Nobody spared us
        2. +11
          12 February 2013 13: 35
          They want to cut back - what's the problem? They can generally reduce everything if there is no money. But what have we got to do with it?
          1. Rubik
            +4
            12 February 2013 16: 29
            Do not you always shout about nuclear parity? America will now reduce it, and Japan, for example, will allow it to acquire nuclear weapons, so that it dares to speak with China and Russia. After all, America is a country that has a lot of contingency plans thought out for years to come.
        3. wax
          +8
          12 February 2013 13: 47
          Do not flatter yourself, the US task is to create the ability to repulse the blow of retaliation.
          We have a counter proposal - to reduce the number of aircraft carriers or even eliminate them as a class of weapons.
          At the same time, we are ready to not even get economic benefits for the sake of obtaining these states.
          1. +2
            12 February 2013 22: 09
            Quote: Wax
            Do not flatter yourself, the US task is to create the ability to repulse the blow of retaliation.


            Well, those
            I wanted to prove .. The whole idea of ​​Euro-missile defense wasted money. it remains only to catch Russia to reduce the potential for retaliatory and counter-attack.
        4. +1
          12 February 2013 15: 21
          Means it is necessary to press on their ears, let them roll their missile defense, tries !!! am
        5. Rubik
          +1
          12 February 2013 16: 25
          Read more, do you think the US does not have its own critics in the style of "mustache is gone and we are finished"? I read such articles back in the distant 80s, when I lived in the United States. They wrote how they would lose the Cold War and how the Reds would run on American soil.
          1. TUMAN
            +1
            12 February 2013 22: 27
            Quote: Rubik
            I read such articles back in the distant 80s, when I lived in the United States. They wrote how the Cold War would lose and how the Reds would run across American soil.

            And what has he pressed back on? Has it gotten really bad there?
            1. Rubik
              0
              13 February 2013 02: 20
              Watch your tongue, please do not betray yourself as an ill-mannered person.

              I left there back in '97, just when everyone was just going there, and here the nightmare was happening. Not because it became worse, but because of the circumstances, I will not talk about it here. Here are my children in America, and my wife and I are here. Children don’t want to come here, and we live well here. The country is certainly poor and a mess around, but now I want to make it a little better, I work in the field of large business with large projects. Now, if you stayed in America, such as you would say that I am a traitor, and if I returned, it’s still bad)
        6. kosmos44
          -1
          13 February 2013 03: 23
          Quote: Dinver
          I read an American article on this matter, wrote it by a real US patriot in the style of "go ... or polymers." In general, they have a complete ass of young people there with a sufficient level of education to service nuclear weapons and create new ones, at enterprises old people are 60-70 years old, there is no development,


          And it feels like I read about Russia.
    2. +22
      12 February 2013 09: 02
      “Russia does not have incentives for additional nuclear disarmament, because American partners and their allies do not want to reckon with Russian concerns that are caused by the deployment of the US global missile defense system, increasing the potential for a quick global strike and the US’s refusal to reach agreements on non-deployment of strike systems in space,” - said on Monday V. Esin

      Who cares, read on ....http://warfiles.ru/show-23882-rossiya-ne-vidit-stimulov-dlya-yadernogo-razoruzhe
      niya.html
    3. +5
      12 February 2013 10: 13
      They only have a calculator. They thought it’s more profitable to fight, go ahead! It is more profitable to cut back. And you need to hit on their Achilles heel - real money (gold). Because of the problems with which France is now fighting in Mali. And no other reason but there is simply no gold. It's simple - bablos.
      1. Tsoi is alive
        +4
        12 February 2013 11: 08
        Quote: Circle
        And you need to hit on their Achilles heel - real money (gold)


        Russia has become the largest buyer of gold
        11.02.13 23:28
        Russia is now not only the largest oil producer in the world, but also the largest buyer of gold. Over the past ten years, the Central Bank has bought 570 tons of metal, which is a quarter more than the volume of purchases in China, which took second place.
        1. +2
          12 February 2013 17: 27
          Stocks of China.

          1. +4
            12 February 2013 17: 47
            Many already know. But for repetition. Gaddafi swung at the basic mechanism of world slavery - paper money. For this, the Rothschilds bombed Libya. For this, Kennedy was killed - he began to print money past the Fed.

            As one of the buyers of the country's real wealth cynically said: "I paid not $ 1XXXXXXXXX for the mines and mines, but only 75 cents (in gold). And this is the price of the cut paper."
            1. Heccrbq
              +2
              12 February 2013 22: 19
              Perhaps the reason for the attack on Libya is not only oil but also fresh water! Here is interesting information http://paranormal-news.ru/news/kaddafi_ubili_iz_za_vody_a_ne_nefti/2011-12-16-41
              15
              1. 0
                13 February 2013 06: 41
                Puppeteers first draw up a plan (no worse than in the USSR, but only there was for creation), and then act. Regarding water: long Before the events in Libya, another Bond 007 "Quantum of Solace" was filmed http://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/258475/. It remains only to project the events as if on tracing paper on life, removing the cine garlands. And after watching the action movie to think a little. And here is a lot of material about the underground reserves of fresh waters in Africa http://clck.ru/83AS2 and the work of the colonel.

                You can read more about gold at http://clck.ru/82R8I, where a representative of a club of billiards - and not a girl with a yellow newspaper - clearly presents arguments (Google translator to help).
    4. Lapaev mihail
      +3
      12 February 2013 11: 11
      Missile base.
      The commander comes in and yells:
      - Who threw the felt boots on the remote?
      Everyone is silent ...
      - Who threw the felt boots on the remote?
      Everyone is silent ...
      - The last time I ask,
      Who threw the felt boots on the remote?
      Suddenly the voice of an American is heard:
      - And here in America
      would admit long ago.
      Commander:
      - America, America.
      No more your America!
      Who threw the boots on the remote? wink
      1. 755962
        +11
        12 February 2013 12: 06
        For example, taking on new obligations may force our country to reconsider plans to create new delivery vehicles, which can significantly affect some defense enterprises.

        And, what? Farewell to the dream of BZHRK and "NeySatane" !?
        How long will the Yankees dictate their "unyielding will" to us ???
        Tell them in Russian ....
        1. Rubik
          -2
          12 February 2013 16: 30
          And who is on the coat of arms of the Russian Federation?
          1. +2
            12 February 2013 20: 54
            And who is on the coat of arms of the Russian Federation?

            Chernobyl chicken tobacca ...
    5. Rubik
      0
      12 February 2013 16: 20
      But should she do what is not profitable for them? Strange you))
    6. +2
      12 February 2013 17: 20
      Truth speaks through the mouth of a baby - they bred us ...
    7. +1
      13 February 2013 02: 47
      Yes yes yes and yes again! You can’t believe them. ! Let first
      1 Remove their nuclear warheads from Europe.
      2 Give up pro in europe.
      3 All NATO warheads will be considered, and it is their number that needs to be compared with the Russian one.
      In general, it seems to me that they just want to slow down the revival of the industry in RUSSIA, but I think we are not fools either, if we destroy that junk, we’ll develop and put in place new ones early.
      1. stroporez
        0
        13 February 2013 09: 10
        and it is ---- most of all they are afraid that our science will again "get on its feet" and will again begin to invent devices such as a "scalpel" and "selenga" which their developments will regularly multiply by "zero" ......
  2. +19
    12 February 2013 08: 08
    Let them save on missile defense in Europe.
    1. +11
      12 February 2013 13: 17
      Daragoi Abama! We can no longer disarm. We are greatly alarmed by the very possibility of a nuclear threat. Zimbabwe is sober. And the two Baltic tanks are also a great concern for our maladic demacration. Then unload yourself, and, if anything, we will protect you and the last.

      So then ;-)
  3. +24
    12 February 2013 08: 14
    You have a desire to reduce your nuclear weapons, the flag is in the hands of the Yankees. We have so reduced our own in the nineties that to this day we will not close this gap.
    1. Vanek
      +10
      12 February 2013 08: 18
      Quote: Tersky
      You have a desire to reduce your nuclear weapons, the flag is in the hands of the Yankees.


      Ahead. I think so too. You need - you cut. Maybe not the topic: - bread does not go belly.

      Victor hi
    2. +14
      12 February 2013 09: 05
      Quote: Tersky
      We have reduced our own so much in the nineties that to this day we will not close this gap

      Hi Vitya! I’ve seen the kind of amers reaction to our new submarines. They see that we are upgrading nuclear weapons and are betting on them, now they are trying to destroy parity through an agreement hi
      1. +8
        12 February 2013 09: 34
        Quote: Vanek
        Maybe not the topic: - bread does not go belly.

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Now they are trying to destroy parity through the agreement

        Sasha, Vanyok, glad to "see" in full health Yes ! I think you do not need to remind one primordially Russian proverb about a cunning ass and an adjective to it wink
        1. +7
          12 February 2013 09: 38
          Quote: Tersky
          I think you do not need to remind one primordially Russian proverb about a cunning ass and an adjective to it

          Only the crowbar is suitable for the American pope !! The most wink
          1. Vanek
            +9
            12 February 2013 09: 41
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            only crowbar !!


            No no no. So it’s more interesting.
            1. +6
              12 February 2013 09: 50
              Quote: Vanek
              . So it’s more interesting.

              Sadist laughing
              1. Vanek
                +3
                12 February 2013 09: 52
                And whatever it was.
              2. Nechai
                +4
                12 February 2013 12: 32
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Sadist

                NOT, not ... Their favorite BDSM. Then Vanya will be tormented, terrorized, however ....
            2. alex popov
              +1
              12 February 2013 15: 59
              Quote: Vanek
              No no no. So it’s more interesting.

              What if they like it? laughing
          2. +8
            12 February 2013 10: 34
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Only the crowbar is suitable for the American pope !!

            Sasha, vacuum cleaners are also a great tool, proven in practice, il forgot
            laughing
    3. Kaa
      +15
      12 February 2013 10: 39
      Quote: Tersky
      You have a desire to reduce your nuclear weapons, the flag is in the hands of the Yankees

      She was probably beguiled by the 90s since 2013. Traditional nuclear weapons - to reduce, and they themselves develop new garbage. "American scientists conducted the next, 27th in a row, subcritical non-nuclear experimental explosion, the name of which is Pollux," Agence France-Presse writes about this, eurosmi.ru reports.
      According to the agency, this underground explosion was carried out at a training ground in Nevada. The purpose of such an experiment is to collect scientific information, which will then contribute to "ensuring the security and effectiveness of national nuclear weapons."
      Subcritical explosion implies detonation of explosives near a radioactive substance without reaching a certain critical mass, as well as the beginning of a chain reaction. During this experiment, first of all, the behavior of plutonium is studied when an explosion acts on it - in this case a large amount of explosives is used.
      Recall that the previous explosion, which was called Barolo B, was carried out almost two years ago - in February 2011.http: //ukrnews24.com/amerikancy-proveli-ocherednoj-opasnyj-eksperiment-
      subk
      riticheskij-neyadernyj-vzryv /
      And something slipped about the development of thermonuclear, clean and low power, it is necessary to rummage in the archive. The policy is simple - we will reduce the "traditional nuclear weapons" and take advantage of the superiority in new developments ...
      1. +6
        12 February 2013 10: 44
        Quote: Kaa
        The policy is simple - we will reduce "traditional nuclear weapons" and take advantage of the superiority in new developments ..

        Good health, Kaa! Such a policy in Russia is called easier-to breed a sucker Yes
        1. Kaa
          +8
          12 February 2013 13: 51
          Quote: Tersky
          breed sucker

          Well, in this respect, they cannot be compared with ours from the 90s ....
      2. slvevg
        +3
        12 February 2013 12: 42
        In 20 years, they will learn how to initiate a nuclear chain reaction even in coal! And all the war of nuclear winter and for the benefit of people !!! wassat
    4. Nechai
      +3
      12 February 2013 12: 29
      Quote: Tersky
      . We have so reduced our own in the nineties that to this day we will not close this gap.

      In the Treaty there is such a cunning wording - DISPLAYED AMMUNITION. The point is that our reduction is irrevocable, the destruction of the warhead. Amers have a very high return potential. Due to a different design ideology, technologies used. Yes, not in a day, but quickly enough, they can return to almost their original state. At least take the same Pershing-2. The steps that transform the operational-tactical Pershing into the Pershing-2 MRBM have been stockpiled and mothballed. They are waiting in the wings.
      "If Moscow does not see in the american sentence nothing useful for yourself "- PERSONALLY ... No matter how bitter it sounds ...
      1. +2
        12 February 2013 14: 38
        Quote: Nechai
        The trick is that we have a reduction - an irrevocable, destruction of the warhead.

        Valery, good health! But the most important feature is that when the treaty was ratified, not a single state "husband" saw this difference, and when the EBN was signed it was either "blue" or with a deep hangover
        1. +1
          12 February 2013 14: 56
          Quote: Tersky
          and when signing EBN was either "blue" or with a deep hangover

          Here who said that EBN, being at Clinton's visit, caught a taxi in his underpants at 3 a.m., standing at the White House. The face of Russia, a politician .............. am
  4. +3
    12 February 2013 08: 20
    No need to follow up on the Americans! With their public debt and other unfavorable factors of the economy, they have to maintain nuclear forces, and let them push there, untying their navel, so you’ll see that nuclear weapons will not be needed at all, old America will fall apart, and it’s all over drinks ! And even more so, as it has already been correctly said here, it’s better to save on missile defense in Europe, or even let the loot and stop the loot and throw up weapons from terrorists from Iran and Syria, it’s also possible to save on that.
  5. +7
    12 February 2013 08: 37
    Once we have already stepped on such a "rake", I think there will be no second time. Look how the stars-striped ones fussed when they saw that Russia was regaining its former military power. Here are the hypocritical cynics, or naive ghouls - I don't know what to call them. Do they really think that the START-3 layout will work?
  6. Uncle Vasya
    +3
    12 February 2013 08: 56
    To send the Yankees nafig, for 70 years now they have been hanging noodles on our ears, it will be a serious mistake if we agree to their proposal, the Americans never go to their loss, which means they have something in mind. In no case do not agree, politely deduce Rose Gottemler refusals.
  7. +6
    12 February 2013 09: 07
    In no case should you be led on by mattress offers! If they run out of goals or grandmothers, then we have quite enough of them. We have never used I / O, but if such a need arises, we need sufficient potential to make "the whole world to dust."
    History shows that the Yankees and NATO only understand the language of force. They throw the weak or simply hunt ... We have already gone through this: after the fall of the Berlin Wall, our "partners" are trying to strangle Russia in their arms, surrounding them with a dense ring of their bases around the world, along the perimeter of our borders. And in these conditions, we need not to reduce, but to modernize and build up our potential.
  8. +7
    12 February 2013 09: 12
    The United States has NATO partners with nuclear weapons. At the same time, Russia remains alone, plus nuclear China is at hand. Parity should not be considered between Russia and the USA, but between Russia and NATO. And about the ballistic missile defense system (the presence of China and the absence of Russia) is another story altogether.
    1. 0
      12 February 2013 16: 39
      Personally, my opinion is that you can’t go for this divorce in any way, but I wonder if it is possible to equip BR with non-nuclear warheads, such as thermobaric ones? the same missiles do not fall under any treaties, and replacing warheads is probably not so difficult if they press ... Moreover, in this form, they will be a good horror story ....
  9. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    +13
    12 February 2013 09: 15
    Americans always were and will remain cynical scum.
    They always have above all their imperial customs and that’s all. As for example, they arranged their lives easier, SO SAY THE LIST REDUCED, artificially deleted Syria and Iraq and BOTH, now why the hell are we to throw them Kids with nuclear charges, what can you say Creatures
    And they also think about us, missile defense around the borders, let’s breed wild Russians to reduce the number of missiles shot down, and ours will fly in and destroy their economic and defense facilities
    Well, then come and pull the AUTHORITIES from the Kremlin with bayonets

    So if OURS sign it, then it will be a betrayal of pure water Brothers !!!!!
    1. +3
      12 February 2013 10: 16
      Well, then come and pull the AUTHORITIES from the Kremlin with bayonets............. therefore, the authorities from the Kremlin will not sign, the bayonet is not a very pleasant weapon ........ after Magnitsky’s law, our bureaucrats received insight that the West is easy and at ease they will throw and they will become homeless in the central park of New York, despite their bank accounts and villas on the coast of Florida .............. now they will think more about strengthening their country's defense capabilities so that American bayonet did not find their liver
  10. Natalia
    +9
    12 February 2013 09: 22
    Firstly, there can be no talk of any reductions on our part, moreover, it is necessary to increase the number of nuclear missiles (and delivery vehicles) to a level that will allow destroying the entire territory of a potential "friend" by 100% (and preferably more than once) ...
    What is it for. So that those who deploy missile defense position areas around Russia understand their inexpediency. (well, or let them spend money on ineffective tools).

    Secondly, there can be no talk of any reduction on our part as long as there is a missile defense system in its effective system (say, S-500), and until their number reaches an acceptable level.

    And thirdly, after the Cold War, the Americans had a lot of old equipment (obsolete missile launchers, strategic bombers, etc.), so they decided that if they were to be cut anyway, then maybe the Russians had something for themselves sawing.

    And my opinion is that Russia does not need a START III treaty at all. We need to deploy rocket launchers based on our own security, not US security.
    1. SPIRITofFREEDOM
      +6
      12 February 2013 09: 40
      The fact that you need to build the latest missiles that easily overcome their missile defense is a solid fact !!!!!
      1. Natalia
        +6
        12 February 2013 10: 17
        Quote: SPIRITofFREEDOM
        What you need to build The latest missiles that easily overcome their missile defense

        Break through any YARSom, this is also a fact)
        1. Natalia
          0
          12 February 2013 10: 31
          In general, for complete happiness, we need an analogue of the Aigis combat information and control system. And the corresponding missile interceptors, but we could not deploy such a complex on destroyers or corvettes, but on a nuclear submarine.
          1. alex popov
            +2
            12 February 2013 16: 08
            Good afternoon, Natalia. Placing "analogue Aegis" on the nuclear submarine is not entirely correct both economically and strategically.
            Nuclear submarines are much more expensive both in construction and in operation with all the consequences. Plus, nuclear submarines can carry significantly less RP than surface ships. The biggest plus of the Premier League is its stealth. For air defense missile defense, secrecy is not as important as speed of reaction, accuracy, mass character and coordinated action. The surface fleet, if we draw a complete analogy, will do better.
            Something similar, perhaps, had in mind when they planned to modernize the "Orlan" with the deployment of the S-400 complex there.
            Best regards, hi
            1. Natalia
              0
              12 February 2013 19: 56
              Quote: alex popov
              Good afternoon, Natalia. Place "analog Aegis" on the nuclear submarine

              Hello ..... reproach is accepted, thanks, I fully support smile wink )))
              1. alex popov
                0
                12 February 2013 21: 53
                Quote: Natalia
                Hello ..... reproach

                feelthat you, do not reproach at all. love
  11. +2
    12 February 2013 09: 47
    And my opinion is different.
    HEU KNOW everything and amers come time for a massive reboot of power units. And there’s nowhere to accumulate uranium. Therefore, HEU from nuclear weapons will be actively engaged.
    For the hypothetical threat is one thing, but the evil voter that he has interruptions in energy efficiency is another.
    1. Nechai
      +1
      12 February 2013 12: 40
      Quote: leon-iv
      And there’s nowhere to accumulate uranium.

      IM of uranium 235 (500 tons) under the Gor-Chernomyrdin deal is still to be processed and processed. Well, to pay, slowly, after the companies receive payment for the used electric energy. Russia has 75 tons left. And modern uranium and plutonium warheads are revered and not used, as the substance itself creates the power of the charge.
      1. 0
        12 February 2013 16: 45
        Quote: Nechai

        Nechai

        then by September 2010 Russia will be able to have about 760 tons of HEU
  12. +2
    12 February 2013 10: 08
    the Americans have not updated nuclear weapons since the war in Vietnam, and now they stupidly have no money and ideas, so they decided to cheat
    1. MG42
      +3
      12 February 2013 13: 49
      Quote: Ragnarek
      Americans have not updated nuclear weapons since the war in Vietnam

      In 1986, the LGM-118A rocket, dubbed Piskiper, entered service (in our country it is known as MX).
      ICBM <MX - a three-stage solid-propellant missile with a series connection of stages made in the same diameter.
      Mk21 MIRV is installed on the Piskiper missile, designed to accommodate 12 warheads, similar to those installed on the Minuteman-3A. At present, the warhead is equipped with 10 individual targeting warheads with a capacity of 600 kt each. Combined with high hitting accuracy, such combat equipment makes it possible to hit point targets of ultra-high security. The propulsion system of the warhead ensures the breeding of warheads within a very large area: 800 x 400 sq. Km. Also, a new complex of means of overcoming the anti-missile defense system has been developed, including light and heavy false targets, various jammers.
      A total of 114 Piskiper missiles were purchased. By mid-1995, 31 ICBMs were used to conduct launches for various purposes. The rocket has shown high reliability and efficiency.
  13. +5
    12 February 2013 10: 26
    It is necessary to make an official statement to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs: We welcome the decision of the United States ... blah blah blah and introduce on the database ПЖРК.
    1. Tsoi is alive
      +2
      12 February 2013 11: 16
      Krsk,
      Maybe easier?
      To take over the functions of protecting nuclear pindoobjects, for which purpose we should place the corresponding contingent of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. wink
  14. +7
    12 February 2013 10: 36
    It is necessary to begin with negotiations on the reduction of AUG and missile defense. That's when the United States will reduce its AUG to the number of Russian ones, then we can move forward in negotiations to reduce nuclear weapons.
  15. +3
    12 February 2013 10: 51
    You can’t listen to Amer, let the female dogs unilaterally reduce their own, but we don’t need to reduce it ...
  16. +5
    12 February 2013 11: 10
    It is fundamentally wrong to think that the proposed American strategic arms reduction will weaken the United States militarily. They just changed the concept of its use. In fact, they are now allocating more funds for the development of the "Rapid Global Strike" - a high-precision strike with non-nuclear weapons anywhere in the world in By 2015, Washington will have 1500-1800 sea-launched and ground-based cruise missiles intended for a first strike. By 2020, their number will increase to 3000. The combination of BSU with missile defense will make the strategic weapons of other countries practically useless. Therefore, the proposed reduction is only in the interests of USA But I do not think that ours will lead to such a trick of the Americans.
  17. +3
    12 February 2013 11: 16
    The article is interesting and timely, the author - respect.
    In fact:
    The fact that the Americans are climbing with their proposals exactly means that somewhere they have a failure. Most likely, as correctly noted in the comments, everything is out of date and there is no one to service. Much more fun and profitable to drive derivatives on Wall Street! Our leadership, in my opinion, has not been spent on cheap populism lately - it pleases. And then the abbreviations, starting with Nikita Khrushchev, all strive to reduce something. But thinking is not necessary. The last shorthand was Humpbacked. Still hiccuping and hiccuping for a long time! They killed so much, the mind is incomprehensible! Own defense in the outhouse lowered! How many people were left without work and drank! And this one ... moved to the same Americosia and is eating there. It is time to urgently restore the FSB department for special operations abroad and punish any large and small bastard !!! Betrayal has no forgiveness.
    On nuclear charges: Correct me, if not right, but there is enough nuclear potential to destroy planet Earth several times! Figures 25-29 times I heard. Reduce, of course, is appropriate and profitable, but what to reduce !? Old missiles with monoblock heads, but not the most powerful ones - they are as good as a horror story. Restore Zheldor option without fail - we have a large country, you will find FIGs. Develop the nuclear industry by replacing obsolete missiles and charges with new ones. The surest way - and reduction goes and modernization in parallel.
    Joke. wink With such a number of charges, it is enough to blow them up in your mines and the Earth will become halves of the earth! "Sad, girls!" am
    1. SPIRITofFREEDOM
      +2
      12 February 2013 11: 33
      The most efficient option if you really PRESS)))
      then they certainly do not need to be overcome about anything!
      Yes, and for them, I think it will be unacceptable damage (Earth in chips), if the current to the moon is not dumped wassat
      1. MG42
        +2
        12 February 2013 13: 31
        Quote: SPIRITofFREEDOM
        Yes, and for them, I think it will be unacceptable damage (Earth in chips)

        May the earth not fall apart. There is a damaging factor: radioactive contamination = this is a more real threat of total extinction in the explosion of all nuclear munitions. In this case, the residents of Australia will be the last to appreciate this, as almost all charges are located in the northern hemisphere and are suddenly aimed at a friend there.
        This is again a theory since all warheads won't explode, something just won't take off, or missile defense will work.
    2. +4
      12 February 2013 12: 26
      Another factor is not taken into account. In any warhead, decay reactions are quietly underway, at first the warhead shows less explosive power, and then it may simply not explode. To do this, periodically all fissile material is removed, cleaned, and warheads are again made from it. This is a very expensive and expensive mechanism. Especially when there are a lot of warheads, the United States has more of them than carriers, and besides fulfilling the agreement, the strategic nuclear weapons-2 they managed not to destroy the warheads but to store them. Gorbachev said nothing, and the United States has more of them than ours. So let them fulfill the old contracts completely, but we will observe.
    3. Nechai
      +1
      12 February 2013 12: 46
      Quote: Very smart
      With such a number of charges, it is enough to detonate them in your mines and the globe will become halves of the earth!

      This is an extreme, radical option. There is less extreme, but with geo-tiktanicheskih upheavals, but causing the United States it is unacceptable damage. And it’s not a blow to their territory at all, but it will stomp on them ...
      1. Kaa
        +3
        12 February 2013 14: 00
        Quote: Nechai
        with geo-tiktanicheskie upheavals, but causing the United States unacceptable damage

        If you look at the map, it’s a pity the West Coast ... and China. And there’s also the Yellonsone Super Caldera .... a big charge is not necessary, Mother Nature will take care ... crying
    4. +2
      12 February 2013 13: 42
      Very smart, missile defense potential has its own probability of interception. As soon as the amers reaches 90-95%, all our reductions will hurt us very painfully. Therefore, it is necessary to keep the media in excess, and rather big. Moreover, the United States is not the only nuclear power in our environment.
  18. +3
    12 February 2013 11: 31
    First, the Americans again put everything upside down. Instead of increasing confidence in the fields of economics, technology, civil society, and the exchange of cultural values, they finally offer to increase confidence through arms reduction. But if there is no trust in other areas, some fool will begin to reduce his weapons.
    Secondly, Americans always disguise their proposals high-rise. The report for Congress, in fact, was written for us, and not one more drain of information will be only for us. One thing is true, everything depends on the economy. In the United States, it was estimated that it was expensive to make 1500 anti-missiles, 1000 anti-missiles were already cheaper, and for this it was necessary to persuade the Russian bear to reduce its warheads to 1000, under the guise of global disarmament, the fight for the environment and the fight for the rights of sexual minorities, if only it worked.
  19. nnkfrschk
    +5
    12 February 2013 11: 50
    The US money saved from the reduction is obviously planning to be used to finance terrorists ???
    But figs to you! There should not be any curvature besides a reduction in the number of the United States of America!
  20. SEM
    SEM
    +1
    12 February 2013 12: 32
    It doesn’t seem to you that this is another divorce that they want to spend with us ??? Its purpose is obvious to anyone !!! The US will disarm us, and then finish their missile defense and fuck us + other NATO members with nuclear weapons will help them. They need to let them alone destroy their nuclear weapons, and we will see how far their peace plans are with respect to us and we will draw conclusions. In general, there was an article in which such a scenario describes where we reduce nuclear weapons together and then they strike with high-precision weapons (and not nuclear ones) at all our strategic targets and there will be no answer from our side, and if so, these missiles will be brought down by missile defense. damage from flying missiles will be minimal. And then they take over and drank. Everything is calculated. I think for a long time and inappropriately build illusions ......
  21. +1
    12 February 2013 13: 20
    Quote: alma
    Since they are fleeing to us with a treaty, it means that in this sphere of armaments weakened.


    Nonsense !!! On the forum, just hear- America is blown away, weakening, falling apart, etc. Not smart, gentlemen!
    Once again, the United States is simply "separating" Russia - to deprive it of its nuclear potential, especially medium-range missiles; deploy a missile defense system in Europe; surround the territory of Russia with a network of interceptor missiles. All!!!!!
    If the Kremlin takes this step, they are the same traitors as Gorbachev.
  22. MG42
    +6
    12 February 2013 13: 24
    Why military doctrine always comes down to retaliation. Especially when it comes to the use of nuclear weapons. It is very effective to strike the first blow, because the response will go through missile defense which is getting closer and improved and they will wait there. Well that's the theory ....
    As regards unacceptable damage
    Unacceptable damage in a war = level of defeat of the armed forces, military-industrial facilities, systems of state and military command, in which the state loses the opportunity to continue the war or is deprived of the political and economic motives for its further conduct. This is achieved by inflicting such losses on the enemy, the compensation of which is possible only in the long term. It is also feasible in case of destruction of the entire economic potential of the state, in connection with which its further struggle leads to an irreversible deterioration of the situation and, ultimately, to surrender.
    1. Kaa
      +7
      12 February 2013 15: 49
      Quote: MG42
      Achieved by inflicting such losses on the enemy, compensation of which is possible only in the long term

      Colleague, aaaabsolutey agree with your opinion. The Americans sharply limited the list of targets in Russia for nuclear weapons, because they need not radioactive ashes, but resources.
      “Most recently, the US President announced that his priority is to move“ towards a world without nuclear weapons. ”The Federation of American Scientists (FAU), the most influential non-governmental organization uniting, in particular, as many as 70 Nobel laureates, took on the role of adviser. for incineration is contained in the super-secret plan of operations CONPLAN-8044. If necessary, the American president can choose from four options for delivering a nuclear strike (Major Attack Option, MAO). MAO-1 assumes a strike on all components of the Russian nuclear forces and the entire infrastructure of creation and functioning nuclear weapons: factories, navy, strategic aviation, missile silos, radars, satellite communications, telecommunications, etc. MAO-2 adds conventional military bases and large airfields to these targets.Both of these options deliberately spare politicians and a significant part of the army leadership - so that there was someone to negotiate surrender with.When implementing MAO-3, a pairwarheads will get them too. And finally, MAO-4 is the most uncompromising bombing raid: in addition to all the previous nuclear strikes are inflicted on economic targets - the fuel and energy complex and large, primarily defense, industries. In total, such a strike is designed for 1000-1200 targets and assumes that from 8 to 12 million Russians will die. Omsk, oil refinery 1. Angarsk, oil refinery 2. Kirishi, oil refinery 3. Magnitogorsk, metallurgical plant 4. Nizhny Tagil, metallurgical plant 5. Cherepovets, metallurgical plant 6. Norilsk, Norilsk Nickel 7. Bratsk, BRAZ 8. Novokuznetsk, NAZ 9. Berezovskoe, GRES 10. Sredneuralsk, GRES
      12. Surgut, state district power station To solve such impressive tasks, the Americans have to have the appropriate arsenal - about five thousand warheads. 2200 stand on round-the-clock duty. Of these, more than one and a half thousand are programmed to fly in the direction of Russia. The maintenance of a powerful nuclear triad is extremely expensive, so thoughts of disarmament during the crisis are justified .. To prevent a nuclear catastrophe. it is necessary to unilaterally destroy part of the nuclear weapon, leave several dozens (in the extreme case, hundreds) of warheads, but, having canceled all kinds of MAOs, send them to the 12 largest Russian industrial facilities. The destruction of these goals almost completely paralyzes the Russian economy, dropping it decades ago.The main advantage of this proposal is obvious: America will be able to reduce its nuclear arsenal (to 500 warheads by 2025) and save huge amounts of money. Disarmament remains only a means of optimizing costs. . . next-generation Tomahawk missiles, which are now being adopted by the US Army, will strike Russian mine launchers and mobile missile systems. Aiming the missile at the target will be done by the Navstar satellite system, GPS. . Thus, using such a system, mobile missile systems will become vulnerable. During the preemptive strike, he estimates that 70% to 80% of Russian nuclear potential can be destroyed, and the remaining 20-30% of Russian missiles will be intercepted by the US missile defense, including the third missile defense area deployed in Poland. . http://3mv.ru/forum/14-264-1
      1. alex popov
        +3
        12 February 2013 16: 19
        Quote: Kaa
        . Omsk, oil refinery 2. Angarsk, oil refinery 3. Kirishi, oil refinery 4. Magnitogorsk, metallurgical plant 5. Nizhny Tagil, metallurgical plant 6. Cherepovets, metallurgical plant 7. Norilsk, Nornickel 8. Bratsk, BRAZ 9. Novokuznetsk, NAZ 10. Berezovskoe, state district power station 11. Sredneuralsk, state district power station
        12. Surgut, state district power station ...

        By purpose. This is now 12. At one time there were more goals. In general, I live in a unique place: Sredneuralskaya TPP, UZTM (Uralmash), NTMK + UVZ and Beloyarsk NPP. Everything within a radius of 120 km maximum.
        No, I am for "peace to the world."))))
        But seriously, a nuclear war (no matter how the missile defense was planned) will be mutual, and, it seems to me, it will put an end to our entire civilization. This is understood by both ours and overseas.
        Therefore, only the firm determination of "ours" to respond will be a safeguard against such a war. America has already proved that it is not burdened with morality and will not abandon its attempts to "democratize the world".
        1. +1
          12 February 2013 20: 45
          Quote: alex popov
          In general, I live in a unique place: Sredneuralskaya TPP, UZTM (Uralmash), NTMK + UVZ and Beloyarsk NPP. Everything within a radius of 120 km maximum.

          Something "native heart" is not enough, you have specified the targets for nuclear weapons.
          Google and creak creaks!
          How many kilometers to Lighthouse?
          Verkhnevinsk-Novouralsk?
          Forest?
          Snezhinsk?
          Kyshtym?
          soldier hi
          1. alex popov
            0
            12 February 2013 21: 51
            Quote: Papakiko
            Google and creak creaks!

            These places are well known to me from without "Google".
            Verkhnevinsk was never a target, the Lighthouse is far, the Forest is also not close, so I can say little about Kyshtym. hi
            If we consider that the radius of destruction is 50-70 km, then it "covers" me from those "targets".
      2. MG42
        +3
        12 February 2013 17: 47
        I’ll keep myself a picture of ATP, Kaa! good relatively recently, by historical standards (in 2010), Americans tried to lull vigilance rather awkwardly.
        All US nuclear missiles are “currently aimed at the oceans” so that an accidental launch does not lead to a global catastrophe, the US Secretary of Defense said in a general outline at a Pentagon briefing on the country's new nuclear doctrine
        http://www.74rif.ru/nukliotid.html
        Or is it an admission that Pentagon computers are very vulnerable? hence the recent increase in several. times security staff.
        Some of the US warheads have come to the end of their service life, so they impose "reduction"
  23. +1
    12 February 2013 13: 42
    M-dyya, the Anglo-Saxon borzometer is obviously going through the roof. Are they really holding us for complete idiots? They want to disarm, wallow. And we have nothing to do with it.
    1. SEM
      SEM
      0
      12 February 2013 14: 40
      It is for nerds))) otherwise, as our own stupidity, we will help them if we eat this bait !!!!!!!!
      1. stroporez
        0
        12 February 2013 15: 26
        Yes, we don’t eat it ...... at the leaders we have all kinds of rubbish to grab
  24. stroporez
    +1
    12 February 2013 14: 29
    Amers under no circumstances can not be trusted !!!!!!!! Only in my memory Russia has several times reduced nuclear weapons unilaterally, and --- unique samples. it's time for amersky lads to do something the same .......... so to speak --- to demonstrate "goodwill"
  25. 0
    12 February 2013 15: 06
    This is some scam!
  26. imperiologist
    0
    12 February 2013 16: 01
    Quote: Tersky
    EBN was either "blue" or with a deep hangover

    YOBNa posthumously recognize the enemy of the people + his entire family
  27. 0
    12 February 2013 16: 10
    According to some sources, the proposal for a reduction in the near future can be accepted even unilaterally, regardless of the views of official Moscow.


    Flag in their hands. Now let them unilaterally cut it. And the stereotype of Eltsin’s Russia still has not weathered. Hope to fuck again. In addition, China, which is next to Russia, is not controlled by anyone at all and how many nuclear warheads it has is not known to anyone, but is supposedly already surpassing the Russian arsenal.
  28. rubber_duck
    +1
    12 February 2013 16: 30
    Well, let's look at the reaction of the guarantors. As far as I understand, the American proposal sounds like "and let you saw off your missiles, and for that we will smile at you wider!" That, taking into account their activities in the field of missile defense, already looks like a mockery!
  29. +2
    12 February 2013 17: 24
    Another attempt to deceive us is expected. Purely my opinion, this lady can not even be given a visa - even if she immediately flies back. In fact, the staff members put forward a monstrously ridiculous ultimatum - "if you do not reduce your arsenal, we will unilaterally reduce it." There is only one reason - an attempt at deception. The answer should consist of exactly three words - "go to # @%" ...
  30. 0
    12 February 2013 18: 47
    Since the Americans are actively working on the development of missile defense and have already achieved success in this, the reduction of Russian nuclear potential should be linked not only with the reduction of the American potential, but also with the capabilities of the American missile defense. In addition, there are other countries that possess nuclear weapons and their delivery vehicles, such as China, for example, and the number of these countries and the power of their nuclear weapons is only growing. So you need a LOT. Thinking MANY times before "shrinking", and trusting the US promises and even the signed commitments is not really worth it: they promised a lot ... Russia has already DECREASED as a result of the agreements of our Humpbacked Nobel laureate, who once "pushed" this " reduction "that we are still spending huge amounts of money to restore something again.



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  31. 0
    12 February 2013 20: 02
    Personally, we do not need to cut anything! The USA has many strong allies, but we do not have them, only the army and navy ...
  32. +3
    12 February 2013 21: 10
    In no case should Russia further reduce nuclear weapons. This weapon is ALL that remains of the country, so as not to be destroyed. If you count the nuclear heads of the ENEMIES of Russia, then you will get almost a tenfold (!) Advantage. And if their missile defense system still works, then Russia has no chance of remaining. We must increase the number of warheads, and not reduce them. The experience of the 20th century showed that nuclear weapons are the most effective deterrent and to abandon it - CRIME in front of Slavic civilization.
  33. sxn278619
    -1
    12 February 2013 22: 48
    Since the mines are removed from the targets, this means that the United States abandoned the first strike strategy.
  34. Misantrop
    0
    12 February 2013 23: 09
    sxn278619,
    Quote: sxn278619
    Since the mines are removed from the targets

    Do you have a set of war tapes on your hands where there are no mine coordinates? laughing All press statements are bullshit for suckers. And to block a possible answer, they mold and miss slip agreements to reduce
  35. Cheloveck
    0
    13 February 2013 22: 22
    In fact, this initiative of Tan is a good test for the lice of our authorities.
    Wait and see.