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Afghanistan: the American "way to victory"

On February 10, the American Marine Corps General Joseph Dunford became the new commander of the international security assistance forces in Afghanistan, replacing John Allen, who will move to Europe. It is Dunford put forward by Barack Obama who will have to direct the withdrawal of the American contingent from Afghanistan.

Soldiers of the army of Afghanistan

Recall that recently, at the Munich Conference, US Vice President Joe Biden, giving a speech, call Western wars against Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan "major successes." Unable to resist, he even called them “models for future campaigns”.

As if having taken the baton from Mr. Biden, General Allen in an interview with the BBC saidthat the coalition is ... "on the road to victory."

Nikita Mendkovich, an expert at the Center for the Study of Modern Afghanistan, among others indicates and some of the achievements of the ISAF. For example, the number of militant attacks decreased at the end of 2012 of the year: in the last 3 of the month, the number of their “shares” was less by 18% than in the same period of 2011 of the year. Afghan Interior Ministry reported the destruction of 3328 militants over the past year and the arrest of 3480. The number of those killed corresponds to last year’s statistics, but the number of those arrested is a record low: 4600 in 2009, with more than 5000 people in 2010-2011. True, such a strong reduction in the number of prisoners is partly explained by the fact that the conduct of “night raids” was transferred to the forces of the Afghan army, for the fighters of which is characteristic destruction, not the capture of the enemy. This is due, among other things, to the relatively weak training of the Afghan military: they do not always know how to capture a dangerous enemy. We are talking about the cruelties of the civil war, as well as fear of revenge: the terrorists, after bribing officials and getting out of prison, can then repay the fighters.

The analyst notes that the number of Afghan army soldiers killed last year was 1065 people - against 635 a year earlier. Such negative dynamics can be regarded as the success of the armed opposition.

Statements about the "success" and "victory" can be argued by the internal political situation in the country - and it evolved more or less favorably for official Kabul.

Not to mention the self-infighting of the Afghans over the captured Taliban militants, it should be noted that by the middle of last year the “National Uprising Movement” started, anti-Taliban militias began to form in the Afghan provinces. However, data from sociological surveys provide a less optimistic picture. Researchers say that in 2012, the decline in the level of sympathy for Afghans for the armed opposition, which lasted for the last few years, stopped. The share of respondents who admitted some sympathies to the militants even increased from 28 to 30%, while the proportion of sympathizers among the Pashtun population grew from 37 to 39%.

N. Mendkovich notes that the situation in Afghanistan is worsening under the influence of problems associated with the transfer of responsibility from foreign troops to the Afghan side: after all about the 80% of operations conducted in Afghanistan are led by the Afghan military, but most of the units operate with the support of the ISAF. There is evidence that in a number of provinces the process of transferring responsibility is associated with a host of security problems. The Afghan side complains about the lack of people, the low level of equipment and training, which do not allow to keep the rule of law in the region at an appropriate level.

It is stated that in the year 2012 the Afghan army was not fully prepared for independent warfare.

However, the past year ended the series of defeats for the Taliban 2010-2012. The military situation has stabilized again. The Taliban only hope that the Americans will soon leave ...

If the 2012 tendencies continue further, the Taliban, the analyst writes, will be able to maintain a significant part of the personnel and infrastructure - up to the withdrawal of foreign troops. And there you can wait for attempts to repeat the events of 1989 of the year.

Negotiations between Presidents Obama and Karzai recently took place in Washington. It was decided that by the end of 2014, the American military contingent would remain small in Afghanistan. Moreover, by the spring of this year, US troops will complete most of their operations and switch to the support of the Afghan military. “Starting this spring, our troops will have a different task: training, consulting, helping the Afghan forces,” said Obama. Valery Ross noticesthat the training of the Afghan security forces by American instructors, according to a joint statement by Karzai and Obama, was characterized as so successful that it even surpassed "all expectations". Rhetoric, frankly, fanfare. It can be noted that Biden and Allen simply repeat after Obama.

Today there is no exact data on how many American troops will remain in Afghanistan: the military recommends that Obama keep there from 6 to 15 thousands of troops. Both Obama and Karzai support the idea of ​​negotiations between the Afghan government and the Taliban.

Meanwhile, Michael Okhenlon, an analyst at the Brookings Research Institute, believes that there is no reason to rush into a complete withdrawal of troops:

“Yes, the Americans are tired of this war, but they also understand that we have invested a lot in it over the last 12 years - and that, unfortunately, our achievements are still very fragile,” he says. - It is necessary to turn this exit process into a more gradual one, not to dwell on the numbers. It is possible to complete the withdrawal of troops to both 2018 and 2020. By the 2015 th Afghan military will still need air support, evacuation of the wounded. This does not mean that you need to stay there forever. ”

According to the analyst, who seems to be fairly balanced and very far from the apotheosis of both the ISAF and the fighters of the Afghan security forces, now the Afghan troops are not able to contain the onslaught of the Taliban and control the territory. By the way, this was confirmed in a recent report by the Pentagon. It was reported that from the Afghan battalion 31 only one can be fully combat-ready.

The American analyst mentioned above does not miss a chance to boast about American democracy:

“... Soviet troops occupied Afghanistan, bombed villages, killed hundreds of thousands of Afghans. The behavior of the Soviet troops, perhaps legitimately compared only with the war in Vietnam. There is no doubt that the US has coped with the war in Afghanistan is not in the best example, and we leave there the local army and police, who over time will be able to ensure the safety of citizens. Since the beginning of the war there have been free democratic elections - twice. We gave the Afghans the right to make independent decisions. ”

“Not an example better”? It depends on what example to give. It should be noted that only for 2012 a year, according to the report of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, on the Afghan fields Was collected 3.700.000 tons of opium poppy - raw materials for the manufacture of heroin. And last year, the number of poppy grown somewhat decreased - no, not because of the opposition of the NATO forces, but because of the bad weather and the disease that hit the plants.

The villagers have significantly expanded the area planted with poppy seeds. Compared to 2011, they grew by almost 20% (from 131 thousands of hectares to 154 thousands).

By the way, now 80% of the total world crop of opium poppy is removed in Afghanistan.

So much for “independent decisions”. The big question, of course, is who accepts them: the Afghans or their “democratizers”.

This is the first. But the second.

In 2012, corruption in Afghanistan reached a record level, damaging the country's budget of 3,9 billion dollars (data from a study of the UN Committee on Drugs and Crime, conducted jointly with the anti-corruption agency of Afghanistan). Ascertainedthat the volume of bribes increased compared to 2009 year on 40%.

The “independence” of Afghans in this area is manifested in the fact that half of the adult population of the country, without extinguishing and not hiding, regularly pays government officials (at least one bribe during the year). The one who does not have the opportunity to give bribes, as a result, turns out to be “on the sidelines”: these people are cut off from public services and cannot get a job in public services.

Education in Afghanistan is completely corroded by corruption. While in 2009, the entire 16% of Afghans gave bribes to teachers, in 2012, their number increased to 51%. Teachers are paid to correct the assessment or tell them how to solve problems.

The study found that the majority of the adult population of Afghanistan now considers bribes an acceptable phenomenon. In 2012, 68% of respondents said they did not condemn officials who charge extra for “services”: after all, officials have a low salary. In 2009, these people were 42%.

Against this background, Afghan President Hamid Karzai regularly promises to defeat corruption. And his statements can be put on a par with the victorious reports of Mr. Obama, Biden and Allen.

To this must be added the third: Afghanistan lives on western handouts. Foreign partners is coming pay for the content of the Afghan army. The Afghan army and police are likely to be funded from a special NATO fund. It is expected that the United States will make more money than other members of the alliance - 2,3 billion dollars. This is a lot for NATO: there are not enough funds in the fund now. And to solve the financial problem, the United States expects to reduce the Afghan security forces to 2017 thousand employees by 228,5, hoping that by then the situation in the country will fully stabilize.

Currently already export started from the Afghan territory of American military equipment. Last Sunday, 25 containers with equipment, which was located at the Bagram military base, entered the territory of Pakistan.

Maria Abi-Habib in the Wall Street Journal пишетthat General Joseph Dunford will have to sum up the long foreign war and bring home most of the 66.000 American soldiers who are still fighting in Afghanistan.

Dunford was born in Boston in the 1955 year, he never fought in Afghanistan. He is a veteran of the war in Iraq, where he commanded the fifth regiment of marines - the most heroic. He served a total of 22 in Iraq for a month.

Mr. Dunford will face significant problems in Afghanistan, the journalist writes: there is training for local forces to take responsibility for the security of the country and ensuring the security of the presidential elections next year, and the fight against rebels, who are pretty strong.

The general has already stated that we are not talking about any changes; on the contrary, one must speak of "continuity." After all, the will of the coalition "has not changed."

It is curious that General Martin Dempsey, Head of the United States Central Command, General James Mattis, and others, came from America to Kabul for Sunday’s appointment ceremony for the general’s appointment, and President Hamid Karzai didn’t come there, although, of course, was invited. For some reason it did not work out: they did not get through to Comrade Karzai by phone, and he did not answer by e-mail.

Relations with Karzai, the journalist says, will be a serious problem that General Dunford will also have to tackle - especially in the 2014 year when elections are held. After all, earlier Karzai repeatedly accused Western capitals of interfering in the Afghan presidential election.

It is believed that both the Americans and the Afghan government are now striving for the same goal: to reach a peace agreement with the Taliban, realizing that a real military victory in Afghanistan remains unattainable.

By the way, General Allen acknowledged it all the same:

“Our victory here will never be marked by a parade or a memorable date on the calendar - the day the victory was announced. This rebellion will be suppressed for a long time to come - by legitimate and well-trained Afghan forces that are beginning to operate today. ”

David S. Klawi and Sheshenk Bengal (Los Angeles Times) writethat Washington is going to rely on rural police in Afghanistan in the coming months.

The special operations command plan is that the Pentagon will finance the Afghan local police for at least another five years: 1,2 billion dollars to pay for the work of 45 thousands of fighters (now their 19.600).

Meanwhile, these same rural fighters are by no means an alternative to the regular Afghan security forces (except perhaps cheaper). These village fighter warriors are selected on tribal councils. Preparation takes three weeks. These people have no authority to arrest; they are not required to investigate crimes. Their mission is to protect their village from militants. What to say: they suffer significant losses. Afghan officials report that, of the militia fighters, 6,2% is injured or killed, compared to less than 3% of the Afghan army soldiers and police officers.

“After the NATO forces leave, they (the fighters) will go over to the Taliban side,” warns Atikulla Amarhail, an independent military analyst.

Other Afghan officials also view the rural militia as unstable and even dangerous. They warn that giving weapons and military training of local tribes - a recipe for increasing crime and the emergence of new "warlords." All of this will undermine the credibility of the Afghan government and the regular army. The expansion of the village "force" will exacerbate all the problems. Therefore, it is widely believed in Afghanistan that Washington should not increase the number of rural “guards”. According to Sher Kamaval Aziz, head of the committee on security affairs in parliament, Washington "should invest in training, equipping and increasing the number of the Afghan army." After all, it comes to the fact that in other cases, the militia hunt residents, and not protect them.

However, other officials say no one will leave justice.

Thus, the Americans, in advance "prescribing" in stories their own and NATO activities, declare it a major success, a victory, and even a model for subsequent operations. At the same time, the main current goal of the activities of the envoys of Washington is not at all the performance of solemnly sounding marches and a search in the calendar for a suitable day to celebrate Victory Day over the Taliban. No, the Americans are trying to save money on Afghanistan: for example, use it to ensure internal security in the country in which they "operate" from 2001 onwards, cheap to operate rural police. True, the latter happen to prey on their own neighbors, and in 2014, the companies with the Taliban will start to hunt Karzai. But bezrybe and cancer fish: in the Washington treasury is empty.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Guun
    Guun 12 February 2013 08: 12
    I do not believe articles allegedly from the battlefields of Afghanistan. Losses there are underestimated in unison, in this regard, the United States succeeded. NATO losses were reduced due to the fact that they are already not climbing the mountains along which a couple of planes walked, throwing everything with bombs. The Taliban are simply waiting for the NATO to leave, they will not interfere, they have not rested for how many years. NATO tactics, especially the United States — reconnaissance drones fly a couple of times before a raid on a certain territory for days, and only then does a ground operation take place, if there are any signs of life bombing it. Therefore, there are many artificial caves where the Taliban are waiting for reconnaissance from the air and advance to previously known positions, and if reconnaissance from the air they notice the chances of survival will simply not exist.
    The Afghan defense force is not stretched for a long time, a month or maybe less. I was always surprised at the underestimation of the enemy who has been waging war for decades and more than one generation has grown up in the crucible of war, their children can shoot from 6-7 years.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 12 February 2013 08: 23
      Quote: Guun
      I was always surprised at the underestimation of the enemy who has been waging war for decades and more than one generation has grown up in the crucible of war, their children can shoot from 6-7 years.

      The main underestimation is where:
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 12 February 2013 09: 05
      Take a look: heroin production in Afghanistan has only increased since 2001. And it’s clear: the Americans want him to come to us
      1. alex popov
        alex popov 12 February 2013 15: 44
        [right] [/ right]
        Quote: Deniska999
        And it’s clear: the Americans want him to come to us

        And at the same time, a few days ago, one "" from NATO declared publicly that NATO was "not responsible for the problem of drug production." Well, it's clear that it is not responsible "for the problem of drug addicts." NATO has no drug problem. Plantations are growing, so are the volumes. That would be any other production such "problems".
        Beasts. I immediately have a wild desire to break the four-thread wakes up after such statements by "officials".
  2. Alikovo
    Alikovo 12 February 2013 08: 25
    Americans in their repertoire lied lie will lie that they defeated the Taliban. and they are sitting in caves and waiting for their departure to start a new war.
    heard one Taliban a Taliban sniper put 90 Americans.
    1. demon ada
      demon ada 12 February 2013 09: 13
      sorry for sarcasm
      did he tell you ????
      where infa
    2. Guun
      Guun 12 February 2013 11: 28
      On YouTube there was a full video where the ambush was on a NATO soldier, a serious shelling of the bases, a detonation of a high-explosive column, the time of the downing of a plane or a NATO turntable, but for unknown reasons, warm them on YouTube NO. These videos just stand there for a couple of minutes and they are deleted, because there it is shown how many people are dying in one ambush from the NATO and US sides. I posted a link on YouTube where in seven minutes 30 US military and 15 military from the NATO NATO minions were eliminated, but alas This video has been deleted. There were videos where NATO bases were blazing, but now there are only videos of small mortar attacks. About the Baghdat sniper, Juba, how many high-quality videos were there where Iraqi snipers beat the invaders, deleted, left only with poor quality. Much of the video is not visible. According to friends who fly in business (fruits are brought) to Afghanistan and Pakistan, they say that only poppy fields are tightly protected, and more and more local people are adjacent to the Taliban both from Afghanistan and Pakistan, they say the next war will be for Kashmir, but this only after leaving NATO and the United States. And the Taliban have good arrows, but only a few of them.
      1. lechatormosis
        lechatormosis 12 February 2013 14: 20

        The guy didn’t shoot the eggs.
      2. alex popov
        alex popov 12 February 2013 15: 46
        Quote: Guun
        There were a lot of videos on YouTube ...

        Delete, even as removed. Online censorship is relentless.
        1. orfo
          orfo 13 February 2013 02: 43
          patriotic videos of Alkaedan supporters do not even delete. Complain about such videos (terrorism propaganda) and perhaps after several complaints for the spread of extremism, accounts will still be closed. Of course, this is not a cure for society, but why just give these ideas publicity.

          I'm not talking about the video above, I'm talking about the video in general.
    3. tomaz99
      tomaz99 12 February 2013 21: 38
      maybe it's Juba, a Baghdad sniper?
  3. Stiletto
    Stiletto 12 February 2013 09: 12
    So these American wars are "models for future campaigns"? Oh well. Do not gorge themselves on spoons, they will eat it in buckets.
  4. Dinver
    Dinver 12 February 2013 09: 31
    By the way, at the expense of the Americans, read what they write on the English Wikipedia about the assault on Amin’s palace, they misinterpreted everything that was possible, and they made almost a century’s failure from the outstanding special operations fool
    1. alex popov
      alex popov 12 February 2013 15: 50
      What a Vicki. Here is an example of ANALITEG's "direct speech":
      "...Soviet troops occupied Afghanistan, bombed villages, killed hundreds of thousands of Afghans. The behavior of the Soviet troops, perhaps, can only be compared with the war in Vietnam. There is no doubt that the United States coped with the war in Afghanistan is not an example better and we leave the local army and police there, which over time will be able to ensure the safety of citizens. Since the start of the war there have been free democratic elections - twice. We gave the Afghans the right to make independent decisions. ”
      The USSR left behind itself infrastructure, schools, hospitals. Amer- incapacitated police and army. A strange system of evaluating "efficiency". And no one objected to this ANALITEG.
    SPIRITofFREEDOM 12 February 2013 09: 54
    Yeah, the merits of others will be enough for them to mind, but they have no matter what the company is An example for the whole world
    Although they made a bloody meat grinder there !!!!!!!!!
  6. Eugene
    Eugene 12 February 2013 10: 32
    I remember the phrase of a general from Amer, in Vietnam: Let's announce that we won, and get out of here as soon as possible .. A clever man, however.
  7. avt
    avt 12 February 2013 10: 34
    ------------- Recall that recently, at the Munich conference, US Vice President Joe Biden, making a speech, called the Western Wars against Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan "major successes." Unable to restrain himself, he even called them "models for future campaigns." So much money was raised in drug trafficking and people were poisoned in Russia. And hell, they will leave from there in this situation themselves, also with transit through Ulyanovsk.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 12 February 2013 11: 00
      They will leave. USA economy is not brilliant. They will not be able to contain troops and will be removed home.
  8. igor36
    igor36 12 February 2013 11: 19
    During the occupation, the Russians (USSR) built:
    4 power plants
    220 km of power lines + electric networks in 3 cities
    4 electrical substations
    13 tank farms
    289 km of the gas pipeline
    7 auto enterprises
    car repair plant
    2 gas fields
    2 gas filling stations
    booster compressor station
    nitrogen fertilizer plant
    3 airports
    River port
    8 bridges
    2 house-building plants
    1500 km of roads
    2 kindergartens
    2 schools
    11 colleges
    2 hospitals
    35 weather stations
    7 elevators, bakeries
    2 dams
    70 km of irrigation canals
    90 thousand m2 of housing
    and that’s not all ...
    Now let the amers boast how many drug laboratories they built ....
  9. Guun
    Guun 12 February 2013 11: 33
    Hmm, a stupid US citizen will believe that they won all the wars, and in Afghanistan they built democracy and left on a mission. And at that time the war was going on there will be so.
    At the Munich Conference, US Vice President Joe Biden, speaking, called the Western Wars against Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan “major successes”

    That's right, they will play all future wars, but will announce next victories. My mind refuses to understand this, that is, in the United States some schizos and degradants in power. Or they all work in the name of destroying the United States. For another I can’t explain.
  10. yury12
    yury12 12 February 2013 12: 14
    3.700.000 tons of opium poppy and 154 thousand hectares of crops were harvested on Afghan fields. 24 tons per hectare - poppy! About its real productivity (opium poppy) can be found here More than 100 kg per hectare is fantastic. In the conditions of primitive technology, 25 kilograms is normal. This gives one thousandth of what is indicated in the article, which is also a lot. Check your sources, at least for common sense.
    1. rubber_duck
      rubber_duck 12 February 2013 12: 41
      Quote: yury12
      More than 100 kg per hectare is fantastic. In the conditions of primitive technology, 25 kilograms is normal.

      It seems that agricultural technology in Afghanistan over the past years has strangely improved to the level of Iowshchina and Oklahomshchina. laughing
  11. lechatormosis
    lechatormosis 12 February 2013 14: 13

    as always, the americans hang noodles trustful philistines.
    Here is a real ambush for them.
    1. Guun
      Guun 12 February 2013 16: 00
      Eh video is not available. * (
    2. Charon
      Charon 13 February 2013 00: 07
      And what was interesting there? Can you tell me the words?
  12. DDR
    DDR 12 February 2013 15: 16
    Whom did they "defeat" we know
    And the fact that the whole Afghan army will be in the Taliban in a month and a half is a fact. The Taliban will also say thanks for arming the training of new fighters lol fool
  13. Natalia
    Natalia 12 February 2013 15: 17
    It turns out not so solemnly as in the films about Rambo.
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 12 February 2013 15: 19
      And I said, this is not for you Sokolniki .... lol
      1. MG42
        MG42 12 February 2013 15: 53
        This photo looks like Iraq. There the partisans acted quite effectively.
        So Afghanistan, here, after the withdrawal of coalition forces, it is quite obvious that the local army will not maintain the situation and the power will again pass to the Taliban. The drug problem is not resolved. Alkaida is alive, although without Osama will continue to fight the United States.
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 12 February 2013 16: 01
          ......... mmmdaaaa, EFFECTIVE frame. )))
      2. Natalia
        Natalia 12 February 2013 16: 07
        But the American soldiers cleared the road in Afghanistan ....... either they didn’t completely clear it, or something else went wrong .....
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 February 2013 16: 09
          Quote: Natalia

          But American soldiers cleared the road in Afghanistan ..

          Good demining action laughing
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 12 February 2013 16: 13
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Good demining action

            Not like ...... I don’t think that they just let the tank go on the road for this))) They just didn’t look ....)) probably ...... here) winked
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 12 February 2013 16: 21
              Quote: Natalia
              I don’t think that they just started a tank on the road for this)

              They just thought that they would fight with a bottle of Coke in their hands, but it turned out that they were also shooting there. There are a lot of burnt ambrams on the Internet, so they don’t constantly inspect. hi
              1. Natalia
                Natalia 12 February 2013 16: 27
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                they thought that they would fight with a bottle of cola in their hands, but it turned out that they were shooting there

                Yeah ....))) Where is Chuck Norris who saves the world from 10 people ... winked
                Well or there Iron Man lol )))
          2. bask
            bask 12 February 2013 16: 28
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Good demining action

            Afghan amers leave, all to one, sooner or later. 15 thousand. the remaining Taliban will be killed in a month. Karzai is a complete puppet. After the withdrawal of the main forces of NATO, the Taliban will seize power and begin the 3rd civil war. Between the Pashtun Taliban and Tadzhikami and other nationalities.
            These are explosions on IEDs. NATO and amers. Real Afghanistan.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 12 February 2013 16: 32
              Quote: bask
              15 thousand the remaining Taliban will be killed in a month

              Hi Basque! Pity not even the Taliban, the police trained and armed with NATO will help them in doing this. In one fell swoop the full force will go over to the side of the Taliban. And TPM is also the army belay
              1. MG42
                MG42 12 February 2013 16: 51
                Quote: bask
                The real afghan.

                Some landmines on the video are even more powerful than in the Iraqi side.

                A secret report by NATO on Pakistan’s support for the Taliban in Afghanistan has been released in the United States. Islamabad immediately denied this information.
                However, information about the secret support of the rebels was supported by the testimonies of more than 4 thousand captured militants.
                Pakistani intelligence officers regularly meet with the Taliban, where they share information about coalition plans.
                All this, as follows from the report, threatens to lose control over the situation in this country. What awaits Russia after the end of the Allied mission in Afghanistan, the president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Leonid Ivashov told us.
                As you know, over 10 years of operations by coalition forces in Afghanistan, drug production has also increased 10 times. Mortal poison comes mainly to Europe and Russia. Isn't that all that the allies in this country have achieved?
                It should be noted that relations between the US and Pakistan worsened after the elimination of Osama bin Laden.
                Apparently, after a revelatory report, this trend will continue further.
                The West spoke many times about the successes of the coalition in Afghanistan and, finally, it showed them clearly.
                1. Guun
                  Guun 12 February 2013 17: 54
                  Pakistan needs the support of the Taliban, this battle-hardened for decades, numerous generations growing up in the cradle of the war will send against India to capture Kashmir. The Taliban are formidable opponents, underestimating them can lead to a very tragic result. Everyone thinks that this is a gang without command and communication, this is not so, even in the video you can hear field communication and large-caliber weapons can be seen. There are a lot of videos where the Amers and NATO members were beaten removed from the video hosting, in a word Not knowing Broad Do not get into the Water. If the Taliban goes to India, which is fully possible, an invasion to the north can be expected.
              2. Pilot200809
                Pilot200809 12 February 2013 17: 57
                I think that before. They will drive them into the gorge, like rams, and gouging. And the local population will become bolder.
              3. bask
                bask 12 February 2013 21: 04
                Quote: Alexander Romanov

                Hi Basque! Pity not even the Taliban, this will help them

                Greetings to Alexander. Najibullah lasted 5 years. Karzai will not last even 5 days. The police will share on an ethnic basis and will shoot at each other. The USA will not shine in any situation in Afghanistan. All troops will withdraw. If it weren’t for Russia giving green light to NATO bases in Middle Asia, there have been no measures in Afghanistan for a long time.
            2. orfo
              orfo 13 February 2013 03: 25
              bask your schadenfreude is understandable, in principle, it is for their duplicity, but where will this rabble go? trained in guerrilla warfare, to take revenge on "friends" or to sell drugs further and spread their ideas to their neighbors.
              1. Guun
                Guun 13 February 2013 07: 21
                The Taliban aren’t selling drugs, all the poppy fields were under the control of the United States and NATO throughout the war, and with them the drug turnover increased 69 times according to old estimates. Pakistan needs the Taliban Movement, and this entire war-hardened small army will be transferred to India, Kashmir Province, and there are many mountains in India.
  14. pidluts
    pidluts 12 February 2013 15: 37
    National Geographic video of the 2002 Al Qaeda ambush
  15. pidluts
    pidluts 12 February 2013 15: 38
    National Geographic video of the 2002 Al Qaeda ambush

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  16. pidluts
    pidluts 12 February 2013 15: 40
    [media = http: //]

    I can not set ((((
  17. Pilot200809
    Pilot200809 12 February 2013 17: 54
    the coalition is ... "on the road to victory." what a victory and over whom. Nonsense !!!! Coalition members do not crawl out of the bases - they will receive in the face of a handful of Taliban so that it doesn’t seem enough. They can only fight with the unarmed local population. Warriors sr ... s. Mattresses can oh .... the crowd to no avail chase 10 Taliban. (Provided that the old field commanders do not get involved, but sit in their own controlled provinces) organized) by bearded units. (This is also provided that their local population does not drive) If they took off they started to fight, because they kicked us out in a couple of months with such losses that they would leave for a long time. So - fresh giving - yes hard to believe. Let not n ..... t on every corner.
  18. Zub1984
    Zub1984 12 February 2013 21: 06
    Who knows how many guys we left there in 10 years?
    1. DDR
      DDR 12 February 2013 21: 24
      Thirteen thousand over. This is official, but in fact, maybe more
  19. tomaz99
    tomaz99 12 February 2013 21: 36
    maybe it's Juba, a Baghdad sniper?
  20. tomaz99
    tomaz99 12 February 2013 22: 12
    they are still dying there, in the Bundeswehr uniform. Oberstabsgefreiter Alexej Kobelew (23, Panzergrenadierbataillon 212), Konstantin Menz (22), Oleg Meiling (21), Sergej Motz (22), Roman Schmidt (22), Stabsunteroffizierov Schapnät Alexander Schapnä Alexander Ebel and many others. from Pavlodar, kustanaya, Saratov ..
  21. Watchman
    Watchman 13 February 2013 00: 21
    Leaving Afghanistan, the USSR left behind roads, schools, hospitals, and the United States will leave behind only opium fields.
    1. orfo
      orfo 13 February 2013 03: 26
      roads and stuff were also damaged during the long war. We also make ostentatious gifts, bridges with signs that those who built them ... but this did not add friendship to the wrong ones.
  22. valokordin
    valokordin 13 February 2013 06: 52
    Soon we will have to fight with the Taliban, thanks to our shitty government, so there’s no need to gloat over the amers, although they received Taliban against us for their assistance. Our country is in a terrible moral state and I do not see a political force capable of uniting the nation, as our ancestors and I.V. did Stalin. Glory to the officers meeting and support to repressed patriotic officers.
    1. Guun
      Guun 13 February 2013 07: 27
      If the CSTO does not intervene, there will be no war against the Taliban. This is not necessary for anyone from the CIS countries. The Taliban will go to India and all.
  23. sdd23wesdg
    sdd23wesdg 13 February 2013 13: 37
    The base of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of all citizens of the Russian Federation, Ukraine and other CIS countries is on this site and the main thing was done as if to search for lost relatives, but here is all the information about each of us: correspondence with friends, addresses, phones, place of work, and the worst thing is even my naked photo (though I don't know from where ...). In general, I was very scared - but there is such a function as "hide data" of course I used it and I advise everyone not to hesitate, you never know
  24. brush
    brush 17 February 2013 04: 43
    Taliban of Afghanistan in Pakistan hold on, now the Pakistani Taliban is even more fierce than the Afghan. They are more uncompromising, much like the Iraqi Alkaedists.
    The war will be there for a long time, we hear here that the Amers are going to support Karzai’s army for a long time.