Damansky's weapon debuts

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1960-s. in the border stories - This is primarily a standoff on the Soviet-Chinese border. It ended with a bloody battle on Damansky Island, on the Ussuri River in Primorye Territory (2 and 15 in March 1969) and a clash in the area of ​​Lake Zhalanashkol (12-13 in August of the same year) in the Semipalatinsk region of Kazakhstan.


Panorama of Damansky Island (shot from a helicopter)


Damansky's weapon debuts

The border guards of the 1 th outpost "Nizhne-Mikhailovka" on an armored troop-carrier, but with "medieval" spears



A map of the Daman region, owned by Colonel D.V. Leonov


At the same time, the 2 battle of March had no analogues in world history and even entered the encyclopedia “Great Battles and Battles of the 20th Century”: Soviet border guards 30, armed mostly with machine guns and machine guns, defeated the Chinese-armed 500 battalion, killing 248 enemy soldiers and officers ...
In general, all these three battles are also a series of debuts in the use of various types. weapons, mainly small, and in the development of tactics of actions with him in specific combat situations.

No rattle in any way

Even before the gates of machine guns clicked on Damanskoye and gunfire sounded, the border guards "went to the Chinese" who massively violated the border then, with homegrown cold arms. To their surprise, they themselves returned to the fact that only prehistoric people used in cave times and men in the course of large and small peasant uprisings. The Museum of Border Troops has characteristic pictures taken in the winter of 1968.

Hero of the Soviet Union, Major-General Vitaly Bubenin (at that time lieutenant, head of the Klebyakiny sopki outpost, 2) told the author of this article about one of the first clashes with violators because of Ussuri. 6 November 1967 g. And a half dozen Chinese took to the ice of the river, began to hammer holes and install networks. As soon as the border guards approached, the uninvited guests quickly gathered in a heap and unequivocally set themselves in front of what the ice broke through, crowbars, axes and axes. They could not be turned out peacefully — they had to use “belly tactics,” as the soldiers themselves called this method. That is, they were taken under the arms and, in an effort to reach the Chinese in a semiring, push them abroad.

Soon, dissatisfied with the sluggish actions of the residents of the frontier, the Chinese organizers of the provocations sent to the Damansky “Mao's oprichniki” - the Red Guards and the zaofani. These are radicals from young people up to the age of 35 who helped the “great helmsman” successfully carry out a cultural revolution, carry out a series of purges. And these fanatics, Bubenin notes, from one provocation to another became more and more violent and fiercer.

It was then that, in order to protect personnel and reduce the risk of injury during force contact, Lieutenant Bubenin I. “invented” spears and clubs. He also described in detail the tactics of actions with them in the book published in 2004 in the publishing houses Border and Kuchkovo Pole, the book Blood Damanskoe, Events 1966-1969. With the permission of the author, we quote:

“The soldiers, with great pleasure and zeal, carried out my command to prepare a new and at the same time most ancient weapon of primitive man. V of each soldier had his own oak or black birch, with a lovingly planed and polished cudgel. And a lanyard is attached to the handle so that it does not fly out of the hands. They were kept in a pyramid with weapons. So, on alert, the soldiers took an automatic rifle and grabbed a cudgel. And as a group weapon used the rattles. In their appearance, tactical and technical data, in terms of their application, they resembled the weapons of Siberian hunters who in ancient times used to go with them to the bear.

At first they helped us out great. When the Chinese perly on us wall, we just put the spears forward, well, just like in medieval battles. The soldiers loved it. Well, if some daredevil did break through, then, excuse me, I voluntarily ran into a club. ”

But the Maoists also changed the tactics of provocations, each made some novelty. Against the frontier bluffs and slings, they “perfected” their stakes and sticks, strengthening them with nails at the ends.

Fire foam and jet

And soon Bubenin applied against violators ... regular fire extinguishers from an armored personnel carrier. He came up with the following: when the BTR caught up with the Chinese, powerful streams of foam suddenly struck at them from the loopholes of one of the sides of the armored vehicle. “The Chinese were literally stunned,” said General Bubenin. - Immediately rushed scatter, but most fell into the wormwood, near which they stood. We got out and, in order not to get frostbite, quickly left the island. True, they had time to mock the BTR from annoyance and anger: they left marks on the sides of the blows with a crowbar, doused them with tar. ”

After some time, Bubenik applied to the restless and ... fire truck. He borrowed it for a time from the district fire chief. While there was no provocation, Lieutenant Bubenin trained his fire brigade for several days. Then - again quote the memories of General Bubenin:
- On that December day, about a hundred Chinese came out on the Ussuri ice. We advanced on their expulsion. Our column had a rather threatening appearance; An armored personnel carrier was ahead, followed by a sparkling fresh red paint ZIL with a huge fire brigade, similar to a gun barrel, a GAZ-66 with guards. The Chinese were definitely shocked ... As usual, they climbed on our soldiers with stakes. And then I gave the command to run away to the fire truck and cover it. At the same time, she roared and a powerful ice jet struck the crowd of Chinese people running after the soldiers from the fire brigade. This was a must see!

Automatic as a club

In February, 1968, a new ice battle took place, in which up to a thousand soldiers had already participated from the Chinese coast of Ussuri near Kirkinsky Island. Border guards were much smaller. Bubenin added the following details to the picture of this “cold battle”: “There was a crackling sound of stakes, butts, skulls and bones ... The soldiers, winding the straps on their hands, fought with what was left of them.”

In this fight, Bubenin first used the APC against an angry mob of Maoists. He acted unconsciously, only feeling that there is no other way out. The situation was on the verge of irreparable, a spark was missing, and so that it did not arise, the head of the outpost jumped into an armored personnel carrier and ordered to send it directly to the Chinese. The car went to the ram of the crowd, cutting off the outrages from the border guards. The Chinese shied away from the powerful wheels and armor in fear, began to scatter ... Silence reigned. The battle was over.

- We looked around, looked around ... - says Bubenin, - Imagine, they fought in such a way that about fifty automata and machine guns became completely useless! From them there were only trunks with belts, the rest - scrap metal.

First shots

In one of the ice battles described, the Chinese from the ambush tried to capture a whole group of border guards. To the rescue of the last rushed soldiers from the reserve.

“At that moment,” recalls General Bubenin, “two pistol shots were fired on the Chinese side.” Immediately snapped shutters of our machines. Fortunately, the soldiers have not yet decided to open fire without a command. And it seemed to me: here, now ... I rushed to them and, shaking my fists, that there was urine, screamed; “Do not shoot-a-o! Fuse set! All back! ”. The barrels of soldiers lowered reluctantly.

For the first time, a warning fire on provocateurs was opened in August of 1968. From the islands mentioned above, the Chinese managed to force out border guards and bring ferries. It was then that machine guns hit the sky, and then mortars were used. With the help of the latter, the ferries were destroyed and the islands were “liberated”.

In January, 1969-th in Damanskiy against the Soviet border guards were no longer acted by the Red Guards, but by the soldiers of the People’s Liberation Army of China (PLA). “During the clashes,” wrote in his historical study “Damansky and Zhalanashkol. 1969 ”military journalist Andrei Musalov, - our border guards managed to repulse several dozen guns. When inspecting weapons, it was found that in some machine guns and carbines the cartridges were sent to the chamber ”... Bubenin in his memoirs clarifies that in one of the fights he and his subordinates managed to get trophies in the form of five X-9957 carbines, AK-47 and pistol "TT", and almost all of them were ready for fire use.

“Without a machine gun on the border, you are zero”


AK-47 Private V.Izotova. This machine gun shot on the Damansky ...


Meanwhile, despite the difficult situation on the border, the diversion of forces to the expulsion of the Chinese people and the elimination of the consequences of provocations, intensive fire training was taking place at 1 and 2.

“My subordinates shot uniquely,” recalls Vitaly Bubenin. - 2-I outpost, where I was the chief, spent on the shooting range around the clock. Shot - went to the service. It was like this: if you shoot a little, then you are reprimanded for it at a meeting, in a detachment. Two or three ammunition for training practice be kind - shoot! Everyone at the outpost knew how to shoot from all standard weapons, including my wife.

One curious incident connected with Bubenin’s wife, Galina, which Vitaly Dmitrievich described in his book “The Blood Snow of Damanskii”, in the summer of 1968, the head of the detachment, Colonel Leonov, arrived at the outpost and decided to see how the young officers live. Asked where Galina, expressed a desire to talk with her. “Coming to the house,” writes Bubenin, “I heard incomprehensible sounds that vaguely resemble hammer blows on a nail. “The spouse does seem to be repairing-”. - "It seems not going." Entering the courtyard, we heard the sounds of shooting from a small-caliber rifle. The arrow was not yet visible, but the cans, hung on the fence fence, were aptly making their way one by one. It became clear to me: my wife was practicing skills in possession of military weapons. ”

In these stories, Bubenin is supplemented by General Yuri Babansky (at the time of the fighting for the island he served on the 1 th outpost):
- A lot of attention was paid to fire training in the Border Guards. Each fired exclusively from his machine gun, and not from one or two brought to the shooting range, as I know, happened then in the units of the Soviet army ... If the border guard at the training point did not learn to shoot accurately enough, then he continues to improve fire training at the outpost. The first thing he does when he arrives at the outpost is to get a machine gun and two stores for him. And he daily cleans the weapon, cherishes it, caresses, shoots him, shoots him. At the outpost, weapons are an integral part of the border guard’s daily life. Understanding that without a machine gun on the border you are zero, everyone who has tried on a green cap, comprehends during combat service. If you happen to be obliged to take the fight and keep the border area until reinforcements arrive. Damansky happened ...

“Tactics of border troops,” the general continues. - based on combat techniques that allow you to save lives. And in the course of the battle, these techniques were used by us — already subconsciously; when they shot at us, we didn’t lie in one place, but quickly changed positions, ran across, rolled, camouflaged, shot back ... And the fact that we won a lot of Chinese forces that are superior to us - I explain only with our combat skills, that our soldiers they knew how to shoot well, superbly owned their weapons! Plus, of course, courage, courage, high moral qualities. But possession of weapons is the most important factor.

Damansky debuts




The last pictures taken by the photographer, Private N. Petrov. In a minute, the Chinese will open fire and Petrov will be killed ...



A group of border guards from the V. Bubenin's outpost (the picture was taken shortly after the battles on Damascus, in the background are seen the armored personnel carriers



Trophy weapons seized in battles on Damansky (SKS carbine and Chinese-made M-22 submachine gun)


The events of 2 and 15 in March of 1969 were described repeatedly in the literature and periodicals, so there is no point in repeating. We only recall that the group of Senior Lieutenant Strelnikov consisting of seven people was shot by the Chinese at close range during the first moments of the battle - not one of these sevens had time to respond with a single bullet. A minute before this, private Nikolai Petrov, who was taking photographs and filming while negotiating with provocateurs, had time to take his last picture. It is clearly visible how the Chinese soldiers disperse into positions ... The March 2 battle began around 11 in the morning and lasted more than an hour and a half ...

The parties acted against each other with practically the same type of small arms — Kalashnikov assault rifles and machine guns (the Chinese, as is well known, during the years of “indestructible friendship between two peoples” acquired the license for the production of the AK-47 machine gun from the Soviet Union). It was on the Damansky Kalashnikov assault rifle, which was already distributed all over the world, for the first time became the main type of weapon used by both opposing sides.
In addition, the Chinese were armed with carbines and grenade launchers.

Let us dwell only on the most remarkable moments of the battle, which have become novelties in the use of weapons.

A group of sergeant Babansky, who followed Strelnikov to intercept offenders, fell behind and accepted the battle after the head of the outpost was killed. In his study, military journalist Andrei Musalov writes that “as a result of intensive shooting, the Babansky group almost completely shot ammunition” (note that in that fight in the pouches, the border guards had two shops, and the Chinese in bras , or “unloading” - six each). Babansky himself told the author of these lines the following:

“When we moved around the island, down below, in 25-30 meters, I saw the negotiators, ours and the Chinese. It was heard that they were talking in a raised voice. I realized that something was wrong, and at that moment I heard a single shot on the island. After that, the Chinese parted and shot all our guys, along with Strelnikov, at point-blank range. And it became clear to me that it was necessary to open fire. I gave the command to my subordinates, who ran after me in a chain: “Fire on the Chinese!” We quickly intuitively felt that if we shoot in bursts - and the 600 machine gun fire rate per minute - we’ll spend the fire in a second, and the Chinese just shoot us . Therefore, they began to shoot single. And - precisely, and not anywhere. And it saved us. We shot at the nearest enemy, because he was for us the most dangerous than the one who hid somewhere far away. We suppressed the firing points of the Chinese, especially machine guns, and this allowed us to reduce the density of their fire, and give us the opportunity to survive.
In general, it is best to shoot a single machine gun. To create a psychological environment, as if to induce panic in the ranks of the enemy, the fire turns in bursts, but in terms of its real damaging power it is ineffective ...

Due to the fact that the weapon was the same type and ammunition from both sides of the same caliber, the border guards in some cases borrowed ammunition from the dead Chinese. The most remarkable episode is connected with the actions of junior sergeant Vasily Kanygin and the cook of the outpost Nikolai Puzyrev. They managed to destroy a large number of Chinese soldiers (they later calculated it was almost a platoon), and at that moment they ran out of ammunition. Puzyrev crawled over to the dead and took from them the six stores mentioned above. This allowed both to continue the fight.

General Babansky, in his conversation with me, also noted the reliability of the weapon:

- Nobody had any failures, despite the fact that the rifles hit the ground, lay in the snow ...

The machine gunner Sergeant Nikolai Tsapaev. who gave an interview to Komsomolskaya Pravda at one time, said the following about his PC machine gun: “I fired at least five thousand shots from my rifle machine gun. The barrel “turned gray”, the paint melted, but the machine gun worked flawlessly. ”

For the first time, armored personnel carriers equipped with KPVT and PKT turret machine guns were used in combat. At the end of the 1960-x these armored personnel carriers were still considered a novelty. BTR-60PB, unlike other modifications, was fully armored. Bubenin, who acted on one of these machines, from the machine guns suppressed the enemy firing points, and crushed the Chinese with wheels. In one of the episodes of the battle, he said, he managed to put a whole infantry company of PLA soldiers who had moved to the island in order to reinforce the offenders who were already leading the battle. When one BTR was shot down, Bubenin moved to another, re-entered it on the Maoists, and destroyed even a fair number of them before this machine was hit by an armor-piercing projectile.

Therefore, already on the 15 of March, PLA soldiers fired, armed with a significant number of hand-held grenade launchers, For here, in order to thwart a new combat provocation, not two armored personnel carriers, but 11, four of which operated directly on the island, and seven were in reserve.
The intensity of the battle can be judged by the memories of the commander of the motivated-manned border group of Lieutenant Colonel Yevgeny Yanshin acting on one of the wheeled armored vehicles: “In my commander’s car there was a continuous rumble, chad. powder smoke. I look, Sulzhenko, who fired from an armored troop-carrier machine gun, threw off the sheepskin coat, then the pea jacket, with one hand undid the gate of the tunic. I see, I jumped up, threw my seat down with my foot, and while standing I poured fire. Without looking around, a hand over a new jar of cartridges stretches. Charging Round only has time to charge the tape. “Don't get excited, I scream, save your ammunition!” I point out to him the targets ... Because of the continuous fire, explosions of mines and shells of the neighboring APCs, it is not visible,. The machine gun fell silent. Sulzhenko was taken aback for a moment. Recharges, presses the electric release - only a single shot follows. He to the lid of the machine gun, opened it, eliminated the fault. Machine guns earned ... "

“Against the border armored personnel carriers,” points out in his book “Damansky and Zhapanashkol. 1969 "Andrei Musalov, - the Chinese have thrown a large number of single-person grenade throwers. They were well camouflaged among the bushes and trees that grew densely on the island. Yanshin singled out from the composition of the landing group of border guards, whose task was to destroy the grenade throwers. Under heavy fire, this group had to seek out grenade throwers, suppress them with small arms and not allow them to approach armored personnel carriers at a distance of an RPG shot. Such tactics gave the result - the fire from the RPG decreased. To reduce the likelihood of defeat, the APCs did not stop maneuvering for a minute, moving from one natural shelter to another. At critical moments, when the threat of destruction of armored personnel carriers increased, Yanshin deployed paratroopers in a chain. They, together with the crew of the BTR, inflicted fire damage on the enemy. After that, the paratroopers boarded an armored personnel carrier and proceeded to the next shelter. The armored personnel carriers, in which the ammunition ended, came out of the battlefield, moved to the Soviet coast of Ussuri, where a point of supply was organized. Replenishing the stock, fighting vehicles again went to the Damansky. With every minute the enemy increased the density of mortar fire. At the same time, the border guards from the “heavy” weapons had only LNG-9 heavy-duty grenade launchers and KPVS heavy machine guns.

In total, in the battle, the Chinese managed to knock out and completely disable three armored personnel carriers of the border guards, but all the vehicles directly involved in the battle had more or less damage. The main fire weapon that was used against the armored personnel carriers was the RPG-2 hand-held anti-tank grenade launcher. Mao’s army commanders threw up to a dozen individual grenade launchers against each armored personnel carrier. As noted by Musapov, “despite the fact that Chinese grenade launchers, manufactured like the rest of Chinese weapons, according to Soviet technology, were inferior to Soviet models, they turned out to be very formidable weapons. Later it was convincingly proved in the course of the Arab-Israeli conflicts. ”

Later that day, against the Chinese, Tanks T-62. However, the Chinese were ready for their meeting. On the path of the tank group, they disguised several anti-tank guns. There were many grenade launchers in ambush. The head vehicle was hit immediately, the crew trying to leave it was destroyed by rifle fire. Colonel Democrat Leonov, the head of the border detachment located in this T-62, died from a sniper bullet that hit his heart. The remaining tanks were forced to withdraw. (see details on the T-62 tank wrecked on Damansky Island)

The outcome of the case finally decided the fire debut of the army battalion of the BM-21 volley fire "Grad", which hit the Chinese deep into their territory on 20 km. At that time, the super secret, “Grad”, during 10 (according to other 30 data), produced several volleys of high-explosive fragmentation ammunition. The defeat was impressive - almost all the reserves, warehouses and enemy ammunition facilities were destroyed. For half an hour the Chinese were bothering the island with fire until they finally calmed down.

Zhalanashkol

Events in the area of ​​Lake Zhalanashkol in August 1969 (in the literature they are also described in some detail) in terms of the use of weapons and military equipment here were distinguished by more verified tactics of Chinese military personnel. By that time, they already had not only the bloody experience of Damansky, but also the lessons of bloodless military provocations in the area of ​​the village of Dulaty (Kazakhstan) 2-18 in May and in the area of ​​the Tasty River 10 in June (also Kazakhstan).


Participants of the fighting on the Kamennaya hill (Zhalanashkol, August 1969)



Trophy Chinese gun "model 51". 7,62 caliber mm, kg weight 0.85, store capacity 8 patr.


Under Dulatami, as Candidate of Military Sciences Colonel Yury Zavatsky described the events in the magazine “Veteran of the Border” (No.3 / 1999), the Chinese defiantly began digging in the hills located on Soviet territory. The Soviet military command also demonstratively pulled Grades here. And within two weeks, both sides, improving their positions and conducting reconnaissance, were in a psychological confrontation. The Chinese soon realized that “there is no arguing against the Grads” and after the negotiations they left the so-called contested area. In the area of ​​the river Tasty, as described by the Musalov skirmish, the fire opened. Here, the border guards expelled the shepherd, defiantly drove a flock of sheep across the border. The first closures were distorted by Chinese armed cavalrymen, providing for the shepherd’s actions, they were helped from two more directions, including from the dominant height in Chinese territory. But the calculation of the machine gun soldiers Viktor Shchyugarev and Mikhail Boldyrev suppressed all the firing points at this height with accurate fire. And then both were stopped by fire and a raid by an armed Maoist group. It is not known whether the Chinese gathered corpses, but the Soviet "green hats" reflected this provocation without loss.

And in August, events broke out at Zhalanashkol. Here the tactics of the struggle of the Chinese against the armored personnel carriers received further development. At night, the Maoists managed to dig in three hills on the Soviet side, which they considered to be "originally Chinese." In the morning they began to send reinforcements to occupied positions. In order to prevent the movement of the armed forces of the enemy, the chief of staff of the detachment in charge of this area, Lieutenant Colonel Nikitenko, moved to intercept three armored personnel carriers. To the demands of Lieutenant Yevgeniy Govor, the head of the Zhalanashkol outpost, to leave the territory, the Chinese immediately responded with fire from machine guns and carbines. While the situation was reported to the “tops” (and there it was, as in the cases on Damansky, perebutblili from chief to chief), the enemy continued to dig in. And then Nikitenko decided to attack him on armored personnel carriers with the support of the assault groups.

At one of them, at number 217, which moved to the flank of enemy positions, PLA soldiers concentrated the most dense fire. BTR was very tenacious. All external equipment was demolished with bullets and splinters, wheels were riddled, armor was punched in several places, the tower was wedged from a grenade rupture. The lieutenant lieutenant Vladimir Puchkov, the platoon commander of the maneuverable group, who was sitting behind a machine gun, was wounded in the thigh, but, bandaging the wound, continued to fire. To the rescue of 217, three more wheeled armored vehicles rushed. It was then that the Chinese grenade launchers showed themselves most actively: the experience of the Damansky was not for nothing. (Incidentally, after the battle among the Chinese corpses, one was discovered who was awarded a sign with a portrait of Mao Zedong during his lifetime. Under the image of the "Great Helmsman" it appeared that the award was granted "in honor of the victorious reflection of the aggression of the Soviet revisionists on Zhenbaodao island". Since The Chinese in their own way called - and now call - who went to them, according to the agreements with Russia of 1990, the island of Damansky.

One of the grenade throwers, who had approached a dangerous distance to an armored troop-carrier, was struck down by the gunner junior sergeant Vladimir Zavoronitsyn, who had hit the enemy with on-board machine guns. The frontier armored personnel carriers constantly maneuvered back and forth, while allowing the Maoist grenade launchers to conduct aimed fire. In this case, the drivers tried to keep to the enemy with the thickest frontal armor. Only half an hour after the start of the battle 217 was finally put out of action.

The battle at the lake Zhalanashkol is remarkable by that. that in the last minutes both sides used hand grenades against each other. The Chinese from the crest of the height they occupied threw black grenades with thick, for some reason unmasking, white wooden handles at the attacking border guards. In response, Private Viktor Ryazanov managed to throw grenades at the enemy’s enemies. This became the "victory point" in that fierce battle. True, Ryazanov himself was mortally wounded and died in a helicopter on the way to the hospital.

Loss ratio

The losses of the Soviet border guards and border troops of China and the PLA in 1969 battles are as follows. On the island of Damansk 2 March, 31 frontier guard was killed and 20 was injured. The provocateurs lost a minimum of 248 people killed (as many of their corpses were discovered directly on the island after the battle ended). Vitaly Bubenin recalled how March 3 on Damanskiy arrived first deputy chairman of the KGB of the USSR, Colonel-General Zakharov, who personally used the whole island, studied all the circumstances of an unequal fire fight. After that, Zakharov told Lieutenant Bubenin: “Son, I went through a civil war, the Great Patriotic War, the fight against OUN in Ukraine. I saw everything. But I have not seen anything like this! ”By the way, Bubenin and Babansky themselves are still“ modest ”. In a conversation with me, none of them "claimed" the number of Chinese casualties more officially recognized, although it is clear that dozens of corpses remained on Chinese territory, and the losses of the Maoists may well be 350-400 people.

March 15 killed 21 border guard and seven motorized infantry. There were more injured - 42 man. The Chinese have lost more than 700 people. The number of wounded from the Chinese side amounted to several hundred people. In addition, 50 Chinese soldiers and officers were shot for their cowardice.

Two border guards died near the Zhalanashkol lake and about 20 people were injured and contused. The dead Chinese only in the Soviet territory buried a half dozen.

All this suggests that it is not enough to have good weapons (we recall once again: it was about the same among the Soviet border guards and the Maoists), we must also own them perfectly.
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  1. +23
    18 February 2013 09: 21
    At that time there were stories that the Chinese were burned with a laser beam. Only then, those who knew, told about the "Grad"
    1. +6
      18 February 2013 10: 08
      Quote: Denis
      At that time, there were tales that the Chinese were burned with a laser beam.

      "Voice of America" ​​just announced - "The Soviets have changed an unknown type of weapon, it is quite possible that the laser" heard
      1. +5
        18 February 2013 13: 24
        I heard such a bike as that, either before the conflict, or after, when our border guards met the Chinese, the Chinese turned and showed our asses, in the end, we’ll come up with a knight's move. dragged a large portrait of the leader of China, laid it when they showed the backside, ours raised the portrait. I don’t know the truth or not.
        1. +7
          18 February 2013 15: 04
          Quote: Sirocco
          I heard such a bike as that, either before the conflict, or after, when our border guards met the Chinese, the Chinese turned and showed our asses, in the end, we’ll come up with a knight's move. dragged a large portrait of the leader of China, laid it when they showed the backside, ours raised the portrait. I don’t know the truth or not.

          During the years of study at the Kolomna VAKU (artillery school) we had a teacher from the department of tactics. On his jacket he had a bar where, in addition to the anniversary and sand medals, there was a Red Star. Naturally, in the field, we pushed to the colonel with a request to tell us why the Red Star (in the early eighties it was a rarity). And then he told us about Damansky, where he was the commander of the BM-21 battery. About the portraits of MAO, in his words, the truth and it really infuriated the Chinese. Of course, there was no laser there, and the high-explosive fragmentation "Gradin" was enough to burn all the Chinese.
          1. +2
            18 February 2013 16: 34
            There were no lasers there, but the PSNRs (portable ground reconnaissance station) were used. These were portable radars (crew of 3 people), which detected at night, or in poor visibility, the accumulation of Chinese and transmitted coordinates for strikes with artillery and Grad multiple launch rocket systems.
            1. +8
              18 February 2013 19: 27
              That's what I found on this topic)))))
              rework of the song "three tankers"

              I will tell you about the blatant fact:
              On the banks of the Amur, amidst the fields
              Caught our simple Soviet tractor
              In the sight of six Chinese batteries.

              Hit a volley, shells flew,
              But the tractor driver was a guy with a head:
              He presses the pedal - and here is not visible goal
              In the smoke curtain delivered.

              And the tractor soared over the pretty side
              And at the same moment the aggressor responded,
              To beware of scaring us with war
              Hit a volley of tactical missiles.

              And our tractor driver, captain Litvinov,
              I looked at the map and turned on the afterburner,
              Calmly bombed over Beijing
              And laid home turn.

              He turned off the reactor over Cupid,
              So as not to frighten native sheep and goats.
              Our Soviet tractor rushed in the sky
              To refuel in your own collective farm.

              And, if the enemy takes action again,
              To prevent us from harvesting,
              Order of the USSR Agroprom
              We have a combine on the field
              (With vertical take-off).
              1. Felix200970
                +2
                20 February 2013 20: 28
                I heard a joke on this subject too. A note of protest by the USSR on the inadequate actions of the Chinese side against the Soviet peace tractor. The Soviet peace tractor T-64, in the midst of harvesting harvest, got carried away and plowed across the Soviet-Chinese border to a depth of 300 km where it was groundlessly fired from small arms. The Soviet peace tractor T-64 responded to these inappropriate actions of the Chinese side with 120mm gun fire and 7.62 machine guns. We warn you: if the shelling of the Soviet peace tractor T-64 does not stop, we will send Niva combines with vertical take-off and landing to help it
                1. +3
                  23 February 2013 02: 27
                  All defending and defending the homeland, since 23 February!
      2. 0
        19 February 2013 23: 57
        Damansky ... let's not raise the topic .. there is none
    2. +7
      19 February 2013 10: 30
      Weapons besides Grad were similar. The courage and courage of our soldiers decided. Eternal bow to our peasants who did not spare their stomach!
      And yet, does anyone know the current status of Damansky?
      1. +6
        19 February 2013 11: 13
        And the "modern status" of Damansky Island is a Chinese territory under an intergovernmental agreement ... these are the pies with kittens ...
  2. Alikovo
    +20
    18 February 2013 09: 53
    and now we help China with weapons (we sell, they copy technology) so that they attack us in the future.
    1. +3
      18 February 2013 13: 44
      Quite rightly noticed. Our sales of weapons to China will also fall short. On their maps, the entire Far East and Siberia are reckoned with Chinese territory.
      1. Zynaps
        +18
        18 February 2013 23: 28
        and you won't get tired of telling bearded anecdotes about the globe from Grandpa Liao's barn from year to year. in order for the Chinese to compete militarily with Russia, they first need to actually re-create and train an army, gain experience in large-scale hostilities on a long front, and also completely secure their very vulnerable infrastructure from any type of attack. you have no idea what a terrible technogenic catastrophe the destruction of, say, their Three Gorges hydroelectric power station will lead to. But in the event of a dam blowing up, the most densely populated and with the most developed infrastructure in China will be flooded. To this day, the PLA is being built on the basis of a "people's war" - in fact, partisanship. they themselves do not create illusions - their few elite units and formations will burn out in the first wave of a serious conflict. I am already silent - to fight in Transbaikalia and the Far East - they would have to return Taiwan so that in the process the pants would not fall. while the darlings of the scattered are ready to sell their natural resources for cut paper and consumer goods, the Chinese have no problems at all. The main enemy of Russia has been sitting in the Kremlin for 20 years with a libertine and disposes of the arbitrarily appropriated national property created by the labor and blood of several generations of Soviet people. this would be remembered.
        1. +2
          19 February 2013 21: 14
          Zynaps (5) UA "The main enemy of Russia has been sitting in the Kremlin for 20 years with a libertarian and disposes of the arbitrarily appropriated national property created by the labor and blood of several generations of Soviet people. We would have remembered this."
          ----------------------------------------------------------
          Absolutely right! +++++
        2. 0
          6 March 2013 03: 17
          If you already went to "you", let's continue. And what, during the above skirmishes, the situation changed dramatically, do you think !? Although we can say that it has changed and is far from in our favor. Or do you not think so? Do you think this is for a war with Taiwan!? Calculate the total area of ​​this very Tavan. In Transbaikal and in the Far East, who should they fight with? Kuse, then tell me about the number and quality of the connections located there. The active ones. And about who we have here and what I am appropriating, I have been living for a long time, first in the RSFSR, and then in Russia since its inception.
    2. vyatom
      +4
      18 February 2013 13: 57
      Yes, with narrow-eyed need to keep an eye out. Those who have been to the Far East with great respect for the Japanese and Koreans for hard work and responsibility. The Chinese do not have such an attitude, they are treated as cheap labor.
      1. Marek Rozny
        +5
        18 February 2013 15: 23
        I talked a lot with Asians (and in Korea I also studied for some time) - both the Japanese and Koreans do not like the Chinese, to put it mildly (while the Koreans also do not like the Japanese, and the Chinese despise both). But the Koreans have no belligerence towards their neighbors, while the Chinese speak frankly about the "original Chinese lands" in Korea. In addition, the Chinese are also openly talking about the need to avenge the Japanese for the troubles caused by the Japanese occupation. In short, the Chinese are asking for a conflict with all their neighbors. If there is a war between China and at least one neighbor or the United States, then I think all neighbors (except packs, kanesh) will not refuse to pile on the PRC.
        1. +3
          18 February 2013 20: 09
          Quote: Marek Rozny
          If there is a war of China with at least one neighbor or the United States, then I think that all neighbors (except for the packs, kanesha) will not refuse to pile up the PRC.

          Most likely not so, everyone will be delighted if China is piled on, and best of all with the wrong hands. Among the neighbors of China there are not even two allied states, who will unite with whom?
          1. Marek Rozny
            +4
            18 February 2013 20: 37
            For all neighbors, China is an irritant to the theme of territories. Therefore, it is likely that Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese and others will unite in a temporary alliance on the one hand. The United States and NATO on the other hand (for geopolitical reasons). Uighurs and Muslims from a third party. CSTO - on the other hand. India - on the fifth side. Everyone has a tooth on the Chinese Dragon.
            I think that in China they understand that in the event of a big war with one of the neighbors, it is quite possible that the remaining neighbors, who all the time dislike China except for the aforementioned Pakistan, will also get into a showdown. And China is corny cannot withstand such a war in which everyone will fall upon this country. She won’t even have time to resist.
            1. 0
              19 February 2013 08: 17
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              CSTO - on the other hand

              Right now, at the moment, does Russia have claims to China for which it is worth fighting?
        2. Zynaps
          +6
          18 February 2013 23: 03
          vashcheta, the Japanese do not like all gaijins in bulk and consider them barbarians. the Japanese are hated right up to convulsions in both Korea and China for genocide and, when the opportunity arises, they are ready to cut them out one by one. the attitude to the Koreans in Asia is interesting - they are like local Jews - because of them there is no water in the tap and all the troubles. the Chinese are all different, but if we take the state-forming people - the Han - terrible nationalists. in short, the friendship of nations is smoldering.
      2. +1
        18 February 2013 15: 33
        Quote: vyatom
        like cheap labor.

        Is it really cheaper than Tajiks or are they far away?
        1. +4
          18 February 2013 17: 51
          The article is written correctly. The main thing is not a weapon but the ability to use it. Moreover, thank God they do it not very well. Somehow I read about how the Chinese presented their new tank somewhere, so it was already rusty wassat
    3. Zynaps
      +7
      18 February 2013 23: 17
      you can immediately see a clear expert who has not worked for a day in production. lad, you can’t imagine how hard it is to copy a dressing knot without technological tables and other accompanying documentation, and not just that the military equipment, which designers have been creating for years, haven’t slept at night and shed sweat in bags. it all depends on a bunch of little things: the use of certain alloys, materials, welding features of one or another, the assembly sequence. you won’t steal it. it is as ridiculous as the statement of individual losers that the Soviets stole the atomic bomb from the Americans. in order to do such things, it is necessary to steal science and economy. The Chinese are still dependent on many important technologies. cannot make the same high-quality diesel for their tanks as they do in Russia and Ukraine. with aircraft engines and avionics - the same rake. if you dig it - a lot of things there. copies are always obviously worse than the sample. it’s like copying Stradivarius tools instead of studying hard, working and staying on par with Stradivarius.

      like children, by golly.
      1. +1
        19 February 2013 11: 21
        But the Chinese "made" the engine for their fighters, so its service life did not last up to 500 hours laughing
        1. Marek Rozny
          +3
          19 February 2013 15: 02
          in my opinion, his resource is even less. but nonetheless, the Chinese people are inventive and stubborn. tomorrow they are likely to make up for this gap. or they’ll think of it themselves, or lure some of the engineers with money.
          once the Chinese could not even reach the carrying capacity of the Kamaz, but now they are churning out heavy trucks, the quality of which is improving every year.
  3. +11
    18 February 2013 10: 04
    The training was what our people needed and high morale! And the commanders are fighting!
    With them, and take an example of the current border guards!
  4. +8
    18 February 2013 10: 13
    Babansky at that time served ml. sergeant. Thanks to his action, many survived. Before serving in Kemerovo, he was known as the first bully.
    The army is a great school of life for real men which cannot be replaced by anything!
    1. Bubo
      +3
      18 February 2013 11: 44
      My mother knew him, that's right, he says he was still a "bondyayugan". They were neighbors in the village "Krasnovka", which is geographically part of Kemerovo.
  5. Akim
    +11
    18 February 2013 10: 25
    Yesterday I watched the Discovery episode from the program "Mao's Cold War" "USSR vs. China". There is a US-Chinese account of those events. The desire was to launch something into the plasma (because I have it Chinese). Look - just all the heavy objects out of the room!
    1. +2
      18 February 2013 17: 51
      Quote: Akim
      There is an American-Chinese account of those events.


      I recommend: Li Zhisui. Mao Zedong. Notes by a personal doctor.

      plasma will remain safe drinks


    2. Zynaps
      +3
      18 February 2013 23: 32
      yes that’s ok - the enemies do. and then Kostya Yeprst with kodla undertook to pour Vasily Ivanovich Chapaev with a yellow-brown slurry in his movie boob — that’s where you have to hang reptiles for the scrotum.
  6. Son
    Son
    +4
    18 February 2013 10: 54
    When it is over - these approvals from higher headquarters ..? While they make a decision and bring it, you’ll wash yourself with a bloody yushka ...!
    1. Zynaps
      +3
      18 February 2013 23: 45
      and you just what - and in the cavalry attack with a sword bare?

      the leadership of the USSR did its best to prevent the border conflict from developing into something much larger and more tragic. and even with the former strategic ally in the socialist camp. situation - I don’t gnaw seeds.
      therefore, with the involvement of the forces of the army pulled to the last. all the more so because the hostilities went around a controversial piece of territory, and there was no attack on the entire USSR. and if so, the situevina was outside the competence of the district command and the final decision with unpredictable consequences should have been made by the political leadership of the country.

      not easy, I understand. but with China it was necessary to resolve territorial disputes and squabbles immediately after the victory of the Communists of Mao and the formation of the PRC, and not to drag an ox by the balls in a long box. then there would not have been three huge districts with fortified areas and millions of soldiers under arms, and there would not have been such bloody conflicts on the border.
  7. Marek Rozny
    +3
    18 February 2013 10: 55

    A short video about Zhalanashkol.
    1. Akim
      +7
      18 February 2013 11: 10
      I will correct the journalist .: V USSR in Kazakhstan they were preparing for provocation. "And then they noticed constant (apparently not accidental) blunders from their brothers:" Russia won the Second World War, "" Ukraine defeated the Polish troops in 1920 ", etc. As if they are trying to erase the memory of the USSR.
      1. Marek Rozny
        +2
        18 February 2013 15: 08
        Yes, this rumor hurt me too.
      2. +4
        18 February 2013 19: 18
        Quote: Akim
        from their fraternity constant, (apparently not random) blunders were noticed

        How many more, there is "... dilapidated Moscow 42 years old" and "... the day of the feat of the Varyag and the Guardian", and today killed "... the preparation for the CELEBRATION (!?) Of the beginning of the 1st World War"
        They used to say "talking heads" about them, now you can't say that. The heads at least thought
    2. +3
      18 February 2013 16: 18
      The presenter has a problem with memory! Why does she constantly repeat "Kazakh border guards". SOVIET BORDER GUARDS !!! Each of the former republics strives to ascribe a common glory to itself! Kazakhstan is now without a fight to the Chinas dozens of square kilometers. How so, but where are the brave "Kazakh border guards" Ugh, all this is disgusting !!!
      negative
      1. Marek Rozny
        +3
        18 February 2013 17: 24
        She goes overboard no more than her Russian colleagues, who use “Russian soldiers,” “Russian army,” and so on, to the right place and out of place in topics on Soviet history. In Russia, they are even more trying to attribute all the merits of the Soviet people, while in every possible way disowning the mistakes of the Soviet government, blaming the Jews, communists and aliens. Is not it?
        Regarding the delimitation of the border, then yes, indeed, a tiny part of the disputed territory was given to China - the dispute went about 944 square meters. km Kazakhstan territory, of which 407 sq. km. the disputed territories went to China, and 537 sq. km. - remained with Kazakhstan. To make it clear:

        Now Kazakhstan and China have completely closed the border issue.

        In 1991, Russia gave the Chinese about. Damansky.
        In 1996 and 1999 China received from Kyrgyzstan about 12 square meters. km of territory.
        In 1997, they returned to Hong Kong.
        In 1999, Tajikistan transferred about 200 square meters. km territory, then in 2002 transferred another 1000 sq. km.
        In 1999, Macau was returned from Portugal.
        In 2005, Russia again transferred to China part of the disputed territories of 337 square meters. km (Tarabarov, Vinogradny, Romashkin islands, part of Bolshoi Ussuriysky island, part of Bolshoi island).
      2. 0
        18 February 2013 19: 34
        Well, tads were sent to serve in other regions. So I dare not think there were Kazakh border guards there.
        1. Marek Rozny
          +2
          18 February 2013 20: 43
          In the video - the deputy chief of the same frontier post at that time. It’s quite a Kazakh for itself) In general, yes, Kazakhs usually served in other regions. Here, a respected forum member from Kazakhstan, Beck, by the way, at that time served in Damansky.
  8. don.kryyuger
    +7
    18 February 2013 11: 46
    : The Kazakh border guards repulsed the Chinese attack, and for some reason the Soviet ones died. Although someone would not have died, Yeltsin did ... su, he passed everything.
    1. Marek Rozny
      +1
      18 February 2013 15: 09
      I agree completely.
  9. -11
    18 February 2013 12: 49
    Damansky Island belongs to China ......... why all these sacrifices were needed.
    1. Akim
      0
      18 February 2013 12: 52
      savoj,
      As well as 100000 ha. Once Crimea belonged to the Ottoman Empire.
    2. ozs
      ozs
      +7
      18 February 2013 13: 10
      So they gave it now, but the USSR did not sell its territories.
      And now ours are actively selling the seas and territories, Damansky to the Chinese, the Barents Sea to the Scandinavians.

      The most important thing is that on TV they will say about stability and the bulk of the population will believe, and the other will enjoy ten new aircraft per year on such sites. Not taking into account that this year they will write off several times more.
      1. +1
        18 February 2013 19: 45
        Territories and the USSR (late) distributed in the Coastal Sea: http://voprosik.net/kak-sssr-i-rossiya-otdavali-territorii-amerike/
        1. 0
          27 June 2014 18: 29
          Late USSR - not early! Gorbachev was quite ready not only to give seas and oceans, but also to distribute the whole country. Merged the entire social camp, CMEA and ATS, cattle.
  10. ozs
    ozs
    +5
    18 February 2013 12: 54
    Soviet soldiers sacrificed themselves so that our corrupt power, led by the dwarf who was beloved here, would take and give Damansky. It's disgusting.
    But there will be loud speeches about strengthening sovereignty, etc.
    But real cases are not true.
    Yes, the era of the USSR is the golden time of our history.
    1. Zynaps
      +3
      18 February 2013 23: 57
      Quote: ozs
      Soviet soldiers sacrificed themselves so that our corrupt power, led by the dwarf who was beloved here, would take and give Damansky. It's disgusting.


      I don’t know if it will be more pleasant for you, but negotiations on the demarcation of the Soviet-Chinese border according to international norms and rules began in the early 60s. this was inevitable, because otherwise the USSR would have to puff out for the tsarist seizures of Chinese territory. for the entire Primorsky Territory and smaller pieces, but with Russian cities and scales. it was enough for someone to draw the border not along the fairway of navigable rivers, as provided for by international rules, but along the Chinese coast. but at Damansky Island, the border walked back and forth at flood and low-water. another thing is that the bastard Mao decided to take the initiative to resolve border issues by force, without waiting for negotiations. but Damansky and other shmatkov land with a total area of ​​about 400 sq. km. the same USSR would give in any way.
  11. -6
    18 February 2013 13: 22
    ...... The most important thing is that on TV they will say about stability and the bulk of the population will believe, and the other will enjoy ten new aircraft per year on such sites. Not taking into account that this year they will write off several times more .......... you can’t say better than the Slavs about us.
  12. Grishka100watt
    +1
    18 February 2013 14: 16
    I looked from what the Chinese fired and it became vile at heart ..
    1. Marek Rozny
      -1
      18 February 2013 15: 11
      Well, in 1941 we beat Germans out of forty-five, which was just a German 37-mm cannon with an increased caliber. In addition, the USSR was not at all indignant when the Chinese with these Kalash went to the Americans in Korea.
    2. +1
      18 February 2013 15: 39
      Quote: Grishka100watt
      Looked from what the Chinese fired

      That’s then, and now Kalashnikov from the blah blah blah blah on drugs said that the main supplier of synthetic (like the most crappy) drugs of China
  13. +2
    18 February 2013 14: 36
    In no case should we forget about this collision! Moreover, we need to prepare for new ones! The big Chinese soldier is indestructible! China has never given up its territories - Hong Kong for example. The empire knows how to wait. It will wait for an opportune moment and devour the entire Russian seaside. Therefore, one should not give weakness, one should not be scattered by volosts, one should not make concessions - this is regarded as weakness, as a defeat, and the rejected territories - as taken "on the shield". A kind of bloodless war. Negotiators and foreign ministers should cut their tails on the neck ... Do they negotiate for free? can retail? great suspicion ...
    1. Marek Rozny
      +7
      18 February 2013 15: 18
      And I agree, and no. I will explain:
      1) The borders of the USSR were divided in violation of international treaties on transboundary rivers. Formally, Damansky was supposed to belong to China. They are not at all going to belittle the heroism of the Soviet military, but the demarcation of the border was not entirely fair.
      2) China really knows how to wait. But he does not know how to fight. The Chinese psychology fails, so they blew all the main wars. The mentality (even after decades of communist ideology) has not changed much. And the Han people always had complaints against their neighbors. But one should not be afraid of the Chinese army, but of Chinese diplomacy - sophisticated and far-sighted. Our politicians are inferior to them, and we don’t know how to think a hundred years ahead.
      1. Zynaps
        +3
        19 February 2013 00: 06
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        The borders of the USSR were divided in violation of international treaties on transboundary rivers. Formally, Damansky was supposed to belong to China. They are not at all going to belittle the heroism of the Soviet military, but the demarcation of the border was not entirely fair.


        there was no question for the USSR. in the early 60s they were already trying to agree on a new demarcation of the border with China, and under Brezhnev they were trying to speed them up. Damansky’s blood is entirely on Mao’s conscience. his leadership decided to solve the problem by bluntly chopping up old knots, not by negotiating and gradually unraveling the tangle. as a result, the problem was put aside for 20 years, and the Americans won on all counts from the Sino-Soviet conflict. especially against the backdrop of the actually shamefully fused war in Vietnam.
  14. pa_nik
    +9
    18 February 2013 15: 12
    “My subordinates fired uniquely,” recalls Vitaly Bubenin. “The 2nd outpost, where I was the chief, spent XNUMX hours at the shooting range. I shot and went to work.”

    It’s time to return the NVP to schools. And to drive shooting schoolchildren and students. And the TRP badge to return! If you are a great athlete, let classmates see and envy, and parents be proud. Maybe then the children will start boasting not with clothes, but with sports achievements. And about the number of hours of history in schools - I just do not want to talk ... What Damansky !? .. not everyone knows who won the Second World War ... The point of no return has been passed long ago .. It's time to collect stones.
  15. -6
    18 February 2013 15: 19
    .... If you are an excellent athlete - let classmates see and envy, and parents - be proud ........ just no words. Do me a favor - tell me how old are you?
  16. +1
    18 February 2013 15: 29
    History seems to teach nothing. So we continue to sell them weapons, which, ultimately, will turn against us. Bullshit is all that China will fight with America. America is far away, and we are near.
  17. mamba
    +3
    18 February 2013 16: 28
    After the Paris Peace Conference of 1919, a provision appeared that borders between states should, as a rule (but not necessarily), pass in the middle of the main channel of the river. But it also provided for exceptions, such as drawing a border along one of the coasts, when such a border developed historically - under a treaty. In addition, international treaties and agreements are not retroactive. However, in the late 1950s, the Chinese used the new border clauses as an excuse for revising the Sino-Soviet border. The leadership of the USSR was ready to do this, in 1964 a consultation was held on border issues, but ended to no avail.
    It turns out a win-win option for those who like to grab a stranger stranger in the channel of the border river, even if the border passes along your shore and you have no access to the water. Then appeal to the Paris Peace Conference and claim the border along the fairway. And if the fairway has changed, then automatically you get new islands that are not subject to return if the fairway returns to its original place.
    You can still fill the dam directly through the fairway to the nearest island and it is yours. And the channel beyond the island becomes the channel. Such are the Chinese tricks.
    1. Marek Rozny
      +2
      18 February 2013 17: 27
      logically, Russia can do the same if desired.
      1. ozs
        ozs
        0
        18 February 2013 20: 11
        Logic, state interests and power have long been on different sides.
  18. +3
    18 February 2013 16: 56
    It's a shame ... so much blood has been shed, so much effort has been made to fulfill his military duty ... so that later he will be loyal rulers of the new era.
  19. 0
    18 February 2013 17: 06
    Nothing, we have something to answer the aggressor! The main thing is not to sell the top !!!!
  20. Stalinets
    +2
    18 February 2013 17: 18
    There is no better soldier than the Russians and the Germans. The Chinese are cunning. Stalin knew well where to keep them. And Mikitka ... a fool. Damansky, maybe they gave it up in vain, but you need to look at the moment in time. Now the fate of Russia is being decided ,to be or not to be . There, in the Far East, the Chinese are already in charge of such Russian territories that it’s scary to think about it .. They don’t speak out loud about it. But this is a fact. So, "Damansky" is still ahead.
    1. Marek Rozny
      +4
      18 February 2013 17: 38
      Stalin and Mao were Kent and like-minded people. And Mao went to Khrushchev because Nikita decided to cheat on Stalinism. Mao exploded, in his opinion, encroached on sacred. That is why they called Soviet policy "the policy of revisionists", and after Tse Tung realized that Khrushchev could not be persuaded, he decided to flex his muscles.
      Although, frankly, the Chinese have never taken Russians seriously. They are still those nationalists with high self-esteem. The memoirs of Soviet specialists who worked under Mao in China during World War II are full of references to Chinese arrogance towards the Soviet Union and its citizens. Of course, it was not done without correcting the censorship, showing the "grin of the Chinese military", but on the whole, it is quite plausible, knowing their mentality.
      1. Zynaps
        +6
        19 February 2013 00: 19
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        Stalin and Mao were Kent and like-minded.


        have never been. after the defeat of the quantons, the Soviet leadership had serious negotiations with the Kuomintang on the fate of China (a civil war was brewing). and only the fact that Chiang Kai-shek actually lay under the United States and with the help of Marshall began to blur his eyes made us turn to Mao - Americanization of China with the prospect of receiving an enemy in the Far East also did not enter into the plans of the leadership of the USSR.

        Stalin never trusted Mao (there was something for the sum of the cases over the years), and he also owns the famous phrase that Mao - that the radish is red on top and his bite is white. and a notable discord began during the war in Korea. Mao was not enough that the USSR armed the North Koreans, sent military advisers and held an air army to protect the DPRK airspace. Mao, you see, it was a shame that the USSR, exhausted by the recent World War II, did not send its army to Korea and did not take an example from the asshole MacArthur - to shake a nuclear club in an inadequate fit. waxing something, Stalin with great difficulty managed to keep Mao in the frames - he simply languished that he did not play the leading role in the world communist movement. for just one thesis about the possibility of war between the socialist countries, Stalin looked at Mao as a dangerous madman.
        1. Marek Rozny
          +2
          19 February 2013 08: 05
          willingly admit your innocence)
      2. 0
        24 February 2013 11: 15
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        They are still those nationalists with high conceit. The memoirs of Soviet specialists who worked under Mao in China during the Second World War are full of references to Chinese arrogance towards the Soviet Union and its citizens


        Marek, I agree in this thesis.
        And as for the Kent - Stalin and Mao - there are wonderful memoirs of just a Soviet specialist.
        P.P. Vladimirova. His "Special Region of China" was recently republished without censorship erasures.
        Who did not read, I recommend.
        Mao and his entourage, in our understanding, have never been communists.
    2. +1
      18 February 2013 19: 52
      Under the pretext of protecting against a possible attack, the Japanese draw troops to the Far East, which is now happening.
  21. Krasnoyarsk
    +2
    18 February 2013 17: 58
    And now our industry is merging China's technology, and only thanks to nuclear weapons does the Russian Federation exist.
  22. +2
    18 February 2013 18: 24
    Honor and glory to our border guards.
  23. alkach555
    +2
    18 February 2013 18: 35
    Everything that can be sold for money is for sale. And then the grass does not grow. Alarming though. A well-armed partner, this is dangerous (My opinion)
  24. opkozak
    +2
    18 February 2013 19: 04
    In our school a lot of jokes were about the Chinese. Chinese BTR-81 - one behind the wheel of 80 push. The Chinese dropped a rubber bomb, killing 15 people. The bomb keeps jumping ...
    Well, the yellow race is the race of the masters.
    We’ll waste white and black,
    Let's make a bomb out of a cane
    and we’ll destroy all for sure ... Tink, Tink, Liao, Biao, Tink ...
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    EngmuYri-2yWyJqrSEYHyJs6ZZv9 _ [/ img]
  25. 0
    18 February 2013 19: 53
    again we play with them and they quietly glanders climb into the Far East ... then only a nuclear bomb and get off ..
  26. 0
    18 February 2013 20: 12
    Article - a balm on the heart. Since then, the Chinese have not come to us yet.
    1. Stalinets
      0
      19 February 2013 16: 14
      My dear, you are not up to date on affairs in the Far East! soldier
  27. 0
    18 February 2013 21: 19
    The Chinese are a patient and hardworking nation, but here’s how the warriors, as long as they have nowhere, were indistinguishable ... well, this is a natural element! The Chinese Wall is yes, but the war is not under their mentality.
    1. -1
      22 February 2013 12: 46
      It is believed that the Great Wall of China (all 50 km) was built by the Imperials (then the Soviet Union - the Great Mogul) against the southern barbarian barbarians - poorly organized, but numerous. The loopholes, which are characteristic, looked south. All other alterations and adjustments are a remake).
      1. Marek Rozny
        +1
        24 February 2013 09: 48
        it's nonsense and fables.
  28. +1
    18 February 2013 21: 56
    Guys, do not have the illusion of friendship with China. Most Chinese hate Russians and consider them enemies. The weapons and technologies that the Chinese buy will be used against us.
    1. +2
      18 February 2013 23: 29
      Quote: Kohl
      Guys, do not have the illusion of friendship with China. Most Chinese hate Russians and consider them enemies.


      I have encountered internationals with the Chinese more than once - I did not notice hatred how this is possible?


      Quote: Kohl
      The weapons and technologies that the Chinese buy will be used against us.


      This will not happen, and actually, what's the difference?
      1. Marek Rozny
        +2
        19 February 2013 08: 13
        And I also constantly communicated with them. And since they did not see Russian in me (for obvious external reasons), they often spoke frankly about their beliefs regarding other nationalities and territories. I talked about these topics with merchants, and with cooks, and with businessmen. Officials are careful to talk about these topics - it's hard to get their own opinion. They usually get off with general phrases. And a simple Han will willingly chat about the natural shortcomings of Russians, Koreans, Japanese, Uighurs (strange, stupid, cowardly, treacherous, cruel, unfair) and that sooner or later China will return its "ancestral" lands in Russia and in other countries ... And the claims of a small Chinese trader in rags hoo - almost to the Urals and Australia.
    2. 0
      18 February 2013 23: 32
      This is quite possible, although Russians are hated by the "old guard", the youth are generally much more loyal. By the way - they hate the Japanese much more. Although, caution never hurts.
    3. Stalinets
      0
      19 February 2013 16: 15
      Truth ! China is not friends. China enjoys.
  29. +4
    18 February 2013 23: 02
    The almost complete absence of at least military training at school upsets. Previously, a man at school was trained for the army, and the army, in turn, made him an excellent soldier, and now the NVP in the school is reduced to dressing one OZK with 20 people in turn and memorizing the charters.
    1. +1
      18 February 2013 23: 30
      Quote: Watchman
      Previously, a man at school was trained for the army, and the army, in turn, made him an excellent soldier


      I agree, now everything rests on the shoulders of the fathers.
    2. +4
      19 February 2013 01: 23
      Quote: Watchman
      The almost complete absence of at least military training at school upsets

      But, mother to beat them, lessons of tolerance are carried out already from elementary school
  30. +1
    19 February 2013 00: 42
    Good article, but the author made mistakes, well, there is no such AK-47 assault rifle, there are AK, AKS, AKM, AKMS, the last hundredth series, but the AK-47 is not. For the entire period of my service, I have not seen it in army documentation, orders, waybills, etc. mentions of the AK-47. Who actually served and who met, then let them correct me, at the same time to the so-called. "warriors", please do not refer to the Internet nonsense. References about the AK-47 began to appear in amerskie feature films about our army, then smoothly migrated to Internet shooting games and has already passed almost everywhere in pretty serious articles about the army and weapons. request
    1. Marek Rozny
      +2
      19 February 2013 08: 19
      The term "AK-47" is of course historically incorrect, but it has already taken shape behind a certain machine gun and is familiar to most amateurs and experts. IMHO, there is nothing wrong with this term, we call the BM-8 "Katyusha", although it is not found in the documents under that name.
      1. +1
        19 February 2013 19: 26
        "Katyusha" is truly our, popular name, but "AK-47" is an American klikuha and we picked it up, I repeat offensively, and the delivery of positions begins with small
        1. Marek Rozny
          0
          20 February 2013 16: 46
          Quote: voronov
          "Katyusha" is truly our, popular name, but "AK-47" is an American klikuha and we picked it up, I repeat offensively, and the delivery of positions begins with small

          no big deal))) we have a beshbarmak dish. and the Kazakhs never called him that. the dish was simply called "em". but the Russians came and called our dish in the pseudo-Kazakh manner "five fingers" (more precisely, in the Tatar manner, since the word "barmak" among Kazakhs, unlike Tatars, is not a finger, but a leg laughing ) nothing - the name has taken root) Kazakhs have not lost anything from this. although we have rare people who are trying to fight this name, seeing it as a threat to Kazakh culture)
    2. 0
      20 February 2013 04: 41
      The photo with the signature "AK-47 of Private Izotov" shows an AKM assault rifle.
    3. Shuriken
      0
      24 February 2013 15: 58
      And let me give you my 5 cents: a spear is a spear with a long wide tip and a cross-shaped cross-beam, to avoid the possibility of shortening the distance with an affected but still living bear, whose legs are short and claws up to 10 cm. And with such a wooden fork, well, not our ancestors were stupid! ... And they didn’t go to pagan times in pagan times, for he was the Spirit of the forest, the One Who Is Not Called (the Slavic name is rem-tabooed) That's why it appeared-BEAR, WEDDING (honey knows) But -BER-LOGA-left!
  31. 0
    19 February 2013 09: 06
    Who else but Stalin gave Mao an atomic bomb ....... history needs to be known, and not write such garbage ..... Stalin never trusted Mao (there was something for the sum of affairs for a number of years), and to him the famous phrase that Mao - that the radish - is red on top, and bite it - is white belongs to. and a notable discord began during the war in Korea. Mao was not enough that the USSR armed the North Koreans, sent military advisers and held an air army to protect the DPRK airspace. Mao, you see, it was a shame that the USSR, exhausted by the recent World War II, did not send its army to Korea and did not take an example from the asshole MacArthur - to shake a nuclear club in an inadequate fit. waxing something, Stalin with great difficulty managed to keep Mao in the frames - he simply languished that he did not play the leading role in the world communist movement. for just one thesis about the possibility of war between socialist countries, Stalin looked at Mao as a dangerous madman ......
    Stalin apparently wanted to fight the Chinese meat with the Americans, naturally the Chinese understood this.
    1. Zynaps
      0
      19 February 2013 20: 47
      Quote: savoj
      Who else but Stalin gave Mao an atomic bomb ....... history needs to be known, and not to write such garbage .....


      here you are, you are telling the truth - you need to know history so as not to write illiterate garbage.

      Stalin didn’t give Mao any atomic bomb - why did he get scared? why not Mongols or Bulgarians? here never. the Chinese have created their nuclear weapons thanks to the Americans and Chinese scientists. The USSR found itself in the chain indirectly - only as an assistant in the creation of Chinese industry and personnel. it happened as a result of the well-known events of the commission headed by Senator McCarthy to investigate anti-American activities. or simply, "McCarthyism". The commission began to persecute Chinese scientists who worked in many branches of science and technology in the United States, including nuclear technology, suspecting them of communism and other sins. then the Chinese were simply kicked out of the United States and they had no choice but to return to their homeland, where Comrade Mao was waiting for them with open arms. in China, scientists were gladly accepted and provided with everything necessary.

      You see, unlike you, I know this situation not from the TV, but first-hand. from people who worked in China on the scientific and military-technical side in the 50s. most of them were my teachers at the Moscow Engineering Physics Institute, which throughout the Soviet period was under the wing of the Ministry of Environment and prepared staff for him.
  32. +3
    19 February 2013 12: 17
    They could give the Chinese a cap with all the "severity"! There was no talk of a war, they have little guts, it was a blatant provocation, linked to the international situation! One of Mao's doctrines was based on the desire for a full-scale war between the USSR and the West - to the point of complete exhaustion, which made it possible for China to become world leaders.

    We just forgot that in January 68 the events in Czechoslovakia began to develop. The forecasts were disappointing, and already in March, information about the situation in Czechoslovakia became available to all party activists, i.e. the decision on the use of force was made in a "narrow circle" much earlier (already in early April, the practical development of the Danube plan began).
    Nobody was going to surrender Czechoslovakia, while the subsequent reaction of the world community, the political, and possibly the military consequences of the introduction of troops, were naturally calculated, and not only in the USSR.
    Most likely, it was the events in Czechoslovakia that led the Chinese to the opinion that it was possible to carry out their actions with impunity on the Soviet borders, on the basis that the USSR would get bogged down in a conflict with the West.

    I don’t know how it is now, but those who have been in the 70-80s in the border fortified area know that this is actually a “meat grinder” system, where tens and hundreds of thousands of yellow-faced people could be put - the Chinese knew this, therefore, their plans were not included full-scale invasion.
  33. +1
    20 February 2013 10: 50
    Damn it’s easy for you to talk about what the Chinese are fools and. What they do not know how to fight. I have lived all my life in the city of Dalnerechensk, this is the former Iman. And I know pretty well about the Daman conflict. 1) with the psyche of the Chinese, everything is normal. Our border guards from Strelnikov’s outpost weren’t brought in completely, who had no hands and no legs, but these are trifles, they already scoffed at dead payments, to whom their ears were cut out and their pictograms on their chests were cut out. 2) you say that they fight poorly, but if so, why did they cut out the entire outpost with their antediluvian weapons. We just were not ready for such impudence from the country of the Chinese, we were not ready for the betrayal and cowardice of parquet rats. And this conflict was lost by the generals, BUT won by ordinary Soviet soldiers!
  34. busido4561
    0
    20 February 2013 15: 39
    I absolutely agree with Marek Rozny that the Chinese really dislike the Japanese for their aggression in the past. This slipped in my conversations with the Chinese.
  35. 0
    13 August 2013 14: 21
    And how to fight with the Chinese? They are cunning, mean and numerous. Only Grad could calm the Chinese. The exchange of 1 border guards for 100 Chinese organized PLA.
  36. 0
    15 August 2019 10: 44
    The author forgot to write that in the battle for the island, the Chinese captured our newest T-62 tank at that time and xeril it with might and main

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