Ukrainian experts linked the losses of settlements of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to the discrepancy between the number of military personnel in positions and the data in headquarters documents

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Ukrainian experts linked the losses of settlements of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to the discrepancy between the number of military personnel in positions and the data in headquarters documents

Ukrainian military analysts, after the loss of control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces over several settlements at once literally over the last 2-3 days (Novomikhailovka, Semyonovka, Ocheretino) are reflecting on the real reasons for this development of events. One of the reasons is the discrepancy between the actual number of military personnel in certain positions and the number indicated in staff documents and on operational maps.

In particular, the Ukrainian channel “Legitimny” writes that in a number of positions the number of Ukrainian military personnel turns out to be 2-3 times less than what is indicated in the reports of senior officers. And when the task is set to hold a specific position, it may turn out that a platoon of military personnel has to hold it, at least half of which are “dead souls” (often, at that time, in the literal sense too). The immortal work of N.V. Gogol, truly...



Ukrainian experts believe that Russian troops, realizing that in a number of sectors of the front the resistance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces had significantly decreased, switched to the tactic of “spot cutting through the defense” of the Ukrainian army with armored groups, followed by expanding the territory of control with infantry (assault detachments). In such a situation, literally every stronghold of the Ukrainian Armed Forces turns into a target, upon reaching which the Russian army destroys the chain where each link is connected to its neighbors. Therefore, the rupture of one link often leads to a break in the chain of defense over a fairly extended area, and the relationship between the defense sections and each other is lost. This happened, for example, in Ocheretino, where the Russian Armed Forces opened the enemy’s defenses quite quickly and today hoisted a flag over the center of this populated area.
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    1. +14
      April 22 2024 21: 40
      Even Chichikov would not have thought of such a thing... To be in the trenches, but to live in Europe... I wonder who receives the salaries of those who are absent...??? laughing
      1. +5
        April 22 2024 21: 46
        Yes, in their units at the front, the warriors give their commanders (salary) cards and tick away home.
        1. +7
          April 22 2024 22: 09
          The 115th TRO brigade ran (to disband), the 67th OMBR ran (to disband), 25 OPDB and 3 OSBR refused to carry out orders. As a result, Magura’s 47th OMBR, the same one that was at the forefront of the offensive on Rabotino and created landscapes with mountains of beaten Bradleys, plugs the holes. It will soon be a year of continuous hostilities wink And tell me that Syrsky doesn’t have a crisis?
          1. +1
            April 22 2024 22: 23
            Well, if we follow Slavic in May, then yes, they have problems
            In the meantime, 404 has not repeated the scale of redeployment of the Russian Armed Forces in the fall of 2022
            1. +6
              April 22 2024 22: 32
              Just today I wanted to imagine how and how Syrsky could get out of the operational crisis, when Mordvichev took Ocheretino at lunch. The front is soft, it really shocked me.

              Syrsky pulls everything he has under Orekhov. He scored against Donetsk, straight away. And Task Force West is fresh. This is an order from the General Staff. Think for yourself why and what their plans are.
              1. -3
                April 22 2024 22: 36
                My forecast: this year we will reach Slavyansk.
                There will be no Kharkov this year.
                Kyiv is unlikely to exist in 2025-26
                I want to be wrong.
                1. +3
                  April 22 2024 22: 42
                  Task Force West, which is larger and better equipped than Center, is completely fresh. That’s why Budanov and Zelya are so worried. And the North group is preparing. It will be formed by June-July.
                  1. 0
                    April 22 2024 23: 07
                    OTG North is most likely to stop a possible attack on Kharkov.
                    1. +1
                      April 22 2024 23: 10
                      Well, of course, it’s not at all suitable for an offensive. But the West is very ready to attack.
                      1. -1
                        April 23 2024 07: 49
                        It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines. (WITH)
                        Being ready to attack and being able to attack is a very big difference.
                        With what seal did they launch the attack on Kupyansk (from which they hastily “relocated” in August 2022). And then they were stopped, and the front froze there for several months.

                        And the terrain there is difficult, forests, the wrong fields in the south of the Russian Federation (LPR/DPR, Kherson, Zaporozhye regions). Plus mines, plus the dominance of FPV, which allow the 404 to successfully conduct asymmetric warfare.
                        That’s why I’m writing that Kharkov will not exist in 2024, according to my feelings. No matter how much the cheers-downers don’t like it
                      2. +1
                        April 23 2024 14: 44
                        Well, not all are negative. I also very much doubt about the capture of Kharkov this year, and we most likely will not take Kramatorsk and Slavyansk either.
                      3. -1
                        April 23 2024 14: 50
                        Today I realized that there is an audience here that doesn’t read comments at all, but downvotes on a whim.
                        Or he reads, but does not understand the meaning of what was said at all.
                        We remember the login - and minuses are attached to it, regardless of the meaning of what was said.

                        This is all nonsense and natural censorship with a “minus-plus” system. You don’t think and write like the media are victorious reports, but they immediately issue a rating.

                        And I completely agree with you. That’s why I wrote that we’ll get to Slavyansk.
                        I also cannot predict whether it will be taken. The target is too big.
                      4. 0
                        April 29 2024 21: 17
                        That’s why I’m writing that Kharkov will not exist in 2024, according to my feelings.

                        My feelings are the same. Taking Kharkov itself with its flanks means long, viscous, bloody battles for troops of up to 50 thousand. This is not in the interests of the Russian Armed Forces. Surround and blockade, the same 50 thousand + the outer front of 50 thousand, but the point is not in Kharkov itself, but the Donbass needs to be cut off. We need another 100 thousand + National Guard for the rear. Do we have such trained and armed reserves? Big question.
              2. 0
                April 22 2024 22: 51
                Orekhov is a Zaporozhye direction. Are they planning to rush to the sea again?
                1. 0
                  April 22 2024 22: 54
                  Yes. Immediate landing in the lower reaches of the Dnieper. Krynki 2.0 and Krynki 3.0, with massive shelling of Crimea. Including the bridge. Perhaps even a landing in Evpatoria. How the card will fall. This is their plan.
                  1. +2
                    April 22 2024 22: 59
                    And what technical means would be used to land on Yevpatoria? We need large landing craft, but the Navy doesn’t have them. How many boats can you drag across the sea? More likely a Kinburn or Tendra braid. If they do this with the help of the Marine Corps, then only the 35th and 36th brigades are relatively combat-ready, and they are completely exhausted. The remaining brigades of the e corps are 1-1,5 battalions, in the process of formation. Soon it will strike again
                    to Tokmak and Melitopol. Now, if we say in American deliveries we see AA7VPA1, then it’s worth thinking about.
                    1. +2
                      April 22 2024 23: 35
                      And what technical means did the landing in Yevpatoriya use? We need large landing craft, but the Navy doesn’t have them. How many boats can you drag across the sea?
                      So this is the Budanov landing. 2-3 boats with boys, the main thing is to take photographs with the ensign against the backdrop of Evpatoria.
                      The Marines are preparing several Krynoks for us. That's for sure.

                      Soon it will strike again
                      to Tokmak and Melitopol. Now, if we say in American deliveries we see AA7VPA1, then it’s worth thinking about.
                      So far there is no one and nothing. The Mordvichs only deployed the 47th OMBR to Ocheretino before lunch today.
                      1. 0
                        April 22 2024 23: 37
                        Well, I haven’t completely unwound this “magura” yet. She is now trying to stop the breakthrough with cash "delirium".
                  2. 0
                    April 22 2024 23: 03
                    Quote: Arzoo
                    This is their plan.

                    the idiot even sniffs
                    1. +2
                      April 22 2024 23: 05
                      the idiot even sniffs
                      You need to imitate an attack, otherwise they won’t give you a penny. Krynki 2.0. and Krynki 3.0. that's it.
                      1. +1
                        April 22 2024 23: 15
                        Quote: Arzoo
                        the idiot even sniffs
                        You need to imitate an attack, otherwise they won’t give you a penny. Krynki 2.0. and Krynki 3.0. that's it.

                        They don’t give them pennies anyway, the main thing is to bring terror with the Atakmas, and Orekhov is Energodar, Melitopol, Mariupol, most likely Energodar, they trained there for a long time
                      2. +1
                        April 22 2024 23: 23
                        And there too. Well, the lower along the Dnieper the better. We can tell sponsors that we are already 10 km from Crimea. Almost a victory, so to speak. Rocket terror of course. It is necessary. Moreover, AWACS will illuminate Crimea for them for F-16s.
                      3. +1
                        April 22 2024 23: 29
                        Quote: Arzoo
                        And there too.

                        This crow is in front of the dressing table, “And here I am! And here I am! And here I am!”
                      4. +1
                        April 22 2024 23: 34
                        If it's an imitation, then it's possible in principle. It’s also interesting where the “Nagryuk Guard” disappeared. So far, it is possible to track only three brigades from its composition: “Fury” - Artyomovsk direction, “Steel Cordon” - Kharkov direction, “Revenge” - Svatovo-Kremensk direction. What about the rest? Isn't that where you think the shares will be?
                      5. +1
                        April 22 2024 23: 43
                        Syrsky's problem is that most of his mechanized brigades are mechanized only in name. Where and in what trenches he placed his rangers is not so important; what is important is that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have big problems with mobility. And in fact, in all problem areas there are the same brigades of 47 OMBR, 3 OSBR, 25 OPDB.
                      6. 0
                        April 22 2024 23: 59
                        We forgot the 79,80 airborne brigades. But the Syrsky takes care of his beloved 72 ombre. Nostalgia for your native brigade? And in terms of technical equipment, they are gradually moving from mechanized to motorized infantry, and from motorized infantry to infantry. By the way, some ombres, for example, 67, sent their tank battalions to the newly formed tank brigades.
                      7. +1
                        April 23 2024 00: 02
                        Well, he needs to keep a reserve in case the OTG West moves. And Syrsky doesn’t forget about Teplinsky either. And the blow to Orekhov will be the most painful for them. Purely political. Will ruin their plans. And Teplinsky has reserves.
                      8. 0
                        April 23 2024 00: 05
                        The strategic goal of our Zaporozhye direction is the city. Zaporozhye. I think it will not be removed from the agenda.
                      9. +2
                        April 23 2024 00: 07
                        Teplinsky was given the A-222 Shore from the fleet. And there is 130 caliber as hell. There should be no shortages in art at all. Shoot to your heart's content.
                      10. +1
                        April 23 2024 00: 09
                        This makes me happy. By the way, thanks to their wheeled chassis, they have good mobility. And 130mm is naval artillery with high-power shells.
            2. +1
              April 23 2024 11: 36
              Quote: rgd20
              until 404 have repeated the scale of redeployment of the Russian Armed Forces in the fall of 2022

              In terms of territories, no, but in terms of losses it has been covered many times.
              1. 0
                April 23 2024 11: 38
                Well, that's undeniable. But here we were talking about the scale of the abdication. The Armed Forces of Ukraine/ZSU have not yet adopted such a character as a “regrouping” in August-September 2022
                ALAS
                1. +1
                  April 23 2024 11: 45
                  Quote: rgd20
                  it was about the scale of the abdication

                  The goals are different. For Ukraine, the meaning of the war is precisely in the territories. We are in the destruction of military capabilities. Therefore, in case of danger, ours retreat in order to preserve their forces, while the protected ones, on the contrary, resist to the last in order to preserve their territories.
      2. +3
        April 22 2024 22: 53
        Oh, yes, among Svidomo lads, whether they were experts or vice versa, at all times someone was to blame, not them.
      3. 0
        April 23 2024 00: 13
        I read the title and immediately thought about the unforgettable Nikolai Vasilyevich Gogol. A new round of Ukrainian “civilization”. laughing
  2. +3
    April 22 2024 21: 43
    What do we care, let them be a mess and a complete deception, and they cannot correct the situation. We use what we have and it’s right!
    1. +4
      April 22 2024 22: 56
      Quote: rocket757
      and complete deception

      This Sumerian deception is refuted once. Just yesterday there was information that two Russian attack aircraft attacked the fortification of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and captured six soldiers.

      Welcome hi
      1. +1
        April 23 2024 06: 13
        Welcome soldier
        In addition to the term “fog of war”, you will have to use something like “dregs of war”...
        The fact that commanders are engaged in assignments is understandable, what this leads to... but it happens in different ways.
        It’s the job of the staff to deal with this mess, the job of our soldiers is to win and liberate our land!
  3. +2
    April 22 2024 21: 45
    discrepancy between the actual number of military personnel in certain positions and the indicated number in staff documents and on operational maps.

    "Bad dancers and tricksters get in the way"
    This expression appeared in the 16th century in Holland. At this time, dance numbers were common in Europe, where the dancer had to dance dashingly near the eggs laid out under his feet. This dance was called Eiertanz.
  4. -5
    April 22 2024 21: 50
    Interesting, it looks like my comment has been deleted. It’s just not clear for what reason.
    It seems like I'm trying not to break anything.
    1. +1
      April 22 2024 23: 42
      Don't be afraid to break something. Be afraid to be a shadow.
  5. -2
    April 22 2024 21: 51
    What are Ukrainian experts going through?! After all, they are losing exclusively subsidized settlements that have no strategic significance!
  6. +3
    April 22 2024 21: 51
    Well, this comes from the very top. The losses are only 31000 blackheads for the entire time of the Northern Military District (as announced by Cocaimus). So we've "gotten enough". This kind of “arithmetic” plays into our hands, it turns out. Let them continue to count in the same repertoire.
  7. 0
    April 22 2024 21: 57
    Yes, everything is fine. Isn’t one long-haired warrior-hero worth five, or even ten?
  8. +4
    April 22 2024 22: 02
    Another batch of positive things arrives in the evening. Our attack aircraft entered the village. Novobakhmutovka, south of Ocheretino. The enemy withdraws his units from Solovyov.
    It seems that the Russian army found a weakness in the enemy’s defense, which was slowly crumbling.
  9. +2
    April 22 2024 22: 19
    Well, yes, officially 31 thousand dead... And suddenly there is a discrepancy... a paradox! belay request laughing
  10. +3
    April 22 2024 22: 41
    Yes, they are all in place, but 200 is of little use..
  11. -2
    April 22 2024 23: 14
    in a number of sectors of the front, the resistance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has decreased significantly

    There's nothing to guess about. Lack of ammunition.
  12. 0
    April 23 2024 00: 44
    The commanders will receive the money, but in Europe they agree to medals, just in case, as the participants are listed.
  13. +2
    April 23 2024 00: 54
    The Russian army is destroying the chain where each link is connected to its neighbors. Therefore, the rupture of one link often leads to a break in the chain of defense over a fairly extended area, and the relationship between the defense sections and each other is lost. This happened, for example, in Ocheretino

    I noticed this a long time ago. This was the case during the capture of Tonenkoe, Orlovka, and Berdychi. You attack some settlements, things don’t go well, then you immediately attack another settlement. next to it, cutting off the message with the first settlement. and immediately attacking actions produce results. Ours ran into Berdychi and Semyonovka, but did not wait for their complete liberation and immediately attacked Ocheretino. Moreover, I think that the Armed Forces of Ukraine expected that ours would first attack Novobakhmotovka and/or Solovyevo, run into Novokalinovo, and ours simply entered Ocheretino by rail. The Ukrainian Armed Forces were simply shocked by this maneuver. They didn’t even have time to bring up reinforcements. There are simply magnificent maneuvers going on in this sector of the front. We need to maneuver more, this is the success of breaking through the defense. I think this is our success, and not because the number of people on the payroll of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not the same.
  14. 0
    April 23 2024 06: 18
    This is what lies can lead to.