“We cannot ignore this threat”: the Polish press is concerned about the massive modernization of Russian T-80 tanks

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“We cannot ignore this threat”: the Polish press is concerned about the massive modernization of Russian T-80 tanks

The Omsktransmash plant, responsible, in particular, for repairs and modernization tanks of the T-80B/BV family, has prepared the next batch of vehicles of this type for delivery to the troops.

Tanks upgraded to the T-80BVM level, among other things, have armor reinforced with Relikt DZ modules, although smaller modules of the older Kontakt-1 type are installed on some surfaces of the vehicle. The upper hemisphere of the tower is protected by a visor (also with built-in remote sensing modules) and mesh screens.



The fire control system is being improved. Instead of the old 1A33 Ob complex with a day sight with a 1G42 laser rangefinder and a TPN-3-49 night sight, a new control system is installed with a Sosna-U or PNM-T sight, which have day and thermal imaging channels and a laser rangefinder. There is a simple daytime auxiliary sight “Double”.

The commander's position has not changed. This is still a simple rotating observation post with a TKN-3M “Crystal” day and night observation device and a ZU-80 battle station with an NSVT heavy machine gun, although the commander now has a device at his disposal with which he can control the turret system and the main weapons, as well as a display with viewing images from the IR channel of the Sosna-U or PNM-T sight.



The tank is equipped with a new 2A46M-4 cannon with a new 2E58 stabilization system. The MBT also receives a modernized power plant, in which the GTD-1000TF gas turbine produces 1100 hp. replaced by a more modern GTD-1250 with 1250 hp. Previously it was installed on the T-80U version. Last year, representatives of the Kaluga Motor Plant announced plans to resume production of engines, including modifications of the GTD-1250, as well as the modernized GTD-1400 and 1500. As the author writes, it is difficult to judge whether these plans have been realized [although during the recent visit of Sergei Shoigu Omsktransmash made a statement about restoring the production of power units at the Kaluga plant].

It is unknown how many copies of the T-80B/BV remain in the strategic reserves of the Russian Federation. We also don’t know how many vehicles the Russians are capable of repairing and returning to service. At the same time, it was announced that an attempt would be made to resume production of the T-80 family of tanks.

- noted in the Polish press.

As indicated, Russia still has large reserves of military equipment inherited from the USSR, as well as significant industrial potential capable of mass production of military equipment, which should cause concern.

Both Poland and NATO as a whole cannot ignore this threat

- a conclusion is made in the publication.

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  1. +9
    April 21 2024 08: 44
    The upper hemisphere of the tower is protected by a visor (also with built-in remote sensing modules) and mesh screens.

    Finally! "Mangalo-building" has become serial, the handicraft industry is over....
    This means that the issue was approached thoroughly, and this is good news!
    1. +5
      April 21 2024 08: 50
      I wonder how soon they will install a remote-controlled machine gun on top of the barbecue, with the ability to conduct anti-aircraft fire.
      After all, a tank needs a machine gun on the turret. But the grill bothers him. Placing a pole is the obvious solution.
      1. +5
        April 21 2024 20: 10
        I wonder how soon they will install a remote-controlled machine gun on top of the barbecue, with the ability to conduct anti-aircraft fire.
        After all, a tank needs a machine gun on the turret. But the grill bothers him. Placing on top is an obvious solution.

        No, this is not an obvious solution; the tank must deal with ground targets. An obvious solution would be to optimize the assault group, which, in addition to tanks, must include a terminator against grenade launchers and a specialized air defense unit, with missiles, machine guns, radar and optics tailored for small drones. The density of drone attacks is so high that air defense should not be somewhere out there, but right behind the tanks.
        1. +4
          April 22 2024 13: 48
          Quote: Shurik70
          I wonder how soon they will install a remote-controlled machine gun on top of the barbecue, with the ability to conduct anti-aircraft fire.
          An option for installing a barbecue on a T-90M, with a commander's panorama and an anti-aircraft machine gun on top of the barbecue. Although, in my opinion, the T-90M is not poorly covered from above even without a barbecue (but with a barbecue there is a greater chance of saving optics)
      2. 0
        April 23 2024 07: 43
        And on top of the machine gun is a grill 2.0.
    2. +3
      April 21 2024 09: 01
      "Mangalo-building" has become serial, the handicraft industry is over....
      It was, rather, “bed making.” Protective visors were made from bed mesh wink
    3. +11
      April 21 2024 10: 15
      So the war is in its third year... It's about time. They began to install KPVT on the sides of the ships on barbettes and issue night lights to the top watch, for this it was necessary to lose seven ships until simple truths reach the Russian Federation
    4. +3
      April 21 2024 10: 32
      Quote: Nexcom
      Finally! "Mangalo-building" has become serial, the handicraft industry is over....
      This means that the issue was approached thoroughly, and this is good news!

      And the Omsk people generally take everything very seriously...
      “We cannot ignore this threat”: the Polish press is concerned about the massive modernization of Russian T-80 tanks
      In the old days of the Department of Internal Affairs in the Northern Group of Forces there was an entire division with the T-80, so the Poles have an idea of ​​​​the capabilities of this tank
      1. +2
        April 21 2024 17: 55
        There were two divisions - in Świętoszów and in Borno-Sulinovo. True, in 89 the Borno-Sulinovsky division was reorganized into a motorized rifle division.
    5. 0
      April 22 2024 20: 10
      How much use does it make, since the drone flies to the side of the grill?
  2. +3
    April 21 2024 08: 45
    Yes, you are always worried about something, just like your owner is a degenerate.
    1. +2
      April 21 2024 09: 13
      In Russia, no matter what you undertake, someone in the world immediately shouts about the impossibility of ignoring the impending threat.
    2. 0
      April 21 2024 10: 35
      “We cannot ignore this threat”: the Polish press is concerned about the massive modernization of Russian T-80 tanks
      This is bullshit, I’m about to modernize it... I’ll finish the renovation of the toilet, what will you do then? laughing tongue
  3. +4
    April 21 2024 08: 48
    . Both Poland and NATO as a whole cannot ignore this threat

    Wash your teeth down to your gums.
  4. -1
    April 21 2024 08: 52
    Why should wheat twitch? They will go all the way to the English Channel! -
    And here it’s worth remembering why the T-80 was nicknamed the “Tank of the English Channel”. In the early 1980s, T-80 tanks appeared in the GDR and became a headache for NATO, since, if necessary, they could in just 5 days you can reach the English Channel - which is more than 1100 km.
    1. -6
      April 21 2024 08: 58
      It is still better to separate dementia and courage from each other.
  5. +4
    April 21 2024 08: 55
    it was announced that an attempt would be made to resume production of the T-80 family of tanks
    All this is good, repairs to the T-80 are necessary, but is it worth restoring production of the T-80? The USSR was the only country in the world that produced 3 different MBT. We now use new modifications of the T-72, T-80, T90, and these are different spare parts: engines, gearboxes, chassis, etc. There are also quite a few T-62s and, I suspect, T-54/55s in storage. Somehow we must strive to reduce the assortment.
    1. +6
      April 21 2024 09: 26
      But we have no other choice. If it were possible to produce 1500 new T-90Ms a year, it’s possible that no one would bother with this zoo, but tanks are needed in large quantities and T-90Ms alone are clearly not enough. So we have to engage in the modernization of tanks still available in warehouses, already thinking about the production of new T-80s when the old tanks in warehouses run out.

      Now The plant plans to begin producing 1500 hp engines by 2025. Tankers love to fly T-80 tanks because they are powerful, easy to start, and allow them to quietly get within 100 to 200 meters of the enemy. There are quite a lot of opponents to the production of gas turbine engines for tanks, but gas turbine engines are also installed on American M1 Abrams tanks. The fact is that with the same power as a diesel engine, The gas turbine engine has less weight, is reliable and less noisy, and starts better at low temperatures. It is also worth noting tens of times lower oil consumption and lower thermal signature of the tank. The disadvantages of these engines are high cost, difficulty of maintenance and high fuel consumption. According to test results, the T-80 tank had 60-80% more fuel consumption than the T-64 and T-72 tanks. Since the appearance of the first T-80 tanks in 1976, they were equipped with GTD-1000T engines with a power of 1000 hp; from 1980 to 1986, modifications of the GTD-1000TF engines were produced for the T-80B and T-80BV tanks with a power of 1100 hp .hp, since 1986, the GTD-1250 modification for T-80U tanks with a power of 1250 hp went into production; this modification is now the main one and is installed on all T-80 tanks. There were also GTD-1400 engines, this is the serial GTD-1250 engine with a short-term power boost to 1400 hp. And the GTD-1500 “product 39” engine with a power of 1500 hp, created using the latest materials. In total, more than 10 tanks with GTD-000T/1000 engines were produced


      https://m.vk.com/wall-114390361_45810
      1. 0
        April 21 2024 10: 11
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        And we have no other choice.

        I once read at VO that we have thousands of tanks at storage bases - we need to repair and modernize them - it will be economical and cheaper. And, for example, Israel made heavy armored personnel carriers from T-54s captured from Egypt - why can’t we? When I served in the KDVO, our regiment had a T-54 battalion. 3 tanks drove periodically - training ones, the rest were parked, serviced, and sometimes started. I think their resource has not yet been developed. As for the T-80, you apparently need to decide which tank is better, the T-80BVM or the T-90M, and settle on one.
        1. +1
          April 21 2024 10: 55
          . As for the T-80, you apparently need to decide which tank is better, the T-80BVM or the T-90M, and settle on one.


          In the conditions of the air defense system of one tank there will be too few.
          1. 0
            April 21 2024 11: 26
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            In the conditions of the Northern Military District, one tank will be too small.

            For the future, after the end of the Northern Military District, the confrontation with the West will not stop.
            1. +1
              April 21 2024 13: 33
              “will not stop”, it will stop if they “put” a puppet on us.
              And so, the confrontation will only intensify.
              Do you think they will be satisfied with the “reformatting” of Kyiv?
              The army, to put it mildly, will be surprised by the return by 2022.
              We are all no longer the same as we were before the SVO.
              My mother already understands this, and before, she used Lenin’s works all around. But we must take reality into account.
              Stalin could do it
        2. 0
          April 21 2024 14: 07
          T-80BVM or T-90m "ninety" I know: reliable, but I haven’t personally tested the BVM.
          I prefer to evaluate what I have tried or know well in my work.
          It will be more reliable that way
    2. 0
      April 21 2024 09: 28
      The towers are different for 80u and bv. Let's see.
    3. 0
      April 21 2024 10: 12
      80 thousand were in storage, let them do it for now.
  6. 0
    April 21 2024 09: 08
    Putting Kontakt1 on a tank is a crime! This dynamic protection is already ineffective and hopelessly outdated! You need to mercilessly plant it for installing it on military equipment! Kontakt5 is already ineffective in battle, but here they’re installing something completely out of date!
  7. +2
    April 21 2024 09: 20
    Russia still has large reserves of military equipment inherited from the USSR, as well as significant industrial potential capable of mass production of military equipment
    Well, it’s finally starting to dawn on me. So maybe they will soon begin to understand that they got into this adventure in vain?
    Both Poland and NATO as a whole cannot ignore this threat
    What is the threat that NATO, at the prompting of Poland, should not ignore? And you’ll get tired of counting how much is still ahead.
  8. +4
    April 21 2024 09: 24
    These are hypocrites, it is clear that they are making mountains out of molehills to increase the military budget, but what deceitful creatures, because we have to build up our military-industrial complex in response to their threats, they should have written that “Russia has reached the borders of NATO,” and after all, complete Western morons will believe this.
    1. +5
      April 21 2024 09: 35
      Quote: 75Sergey
      They should have written that “Russia has reached the borders of NATO,” but the complete Western morons will believe it.

      They will definitely write and show on the map as proof how the Russian Federation has moved closer to Finland. Moreover, many Westerners will see this place on the map for the first time and will be horrified. Yes
  9. 0
    April 21 2024 09: 28
    “We cannot ignore this threat”: the Polish press is concerned about the massive modernization of Russian T-80 tanks

    Upgrading weapons is like cleaning.
    But you don’t have to clean your weapon, it’ll do just fine. lol
  10. -4
    April 21 2024 09: 40
    They were scared of the old tank, on which they installed a gas turbine engine
    Apparently the Abrams are not so mobile on the battlefield.
    Why is Poland minding its own business? I don’t think that Poland will fight like Ukraine.
    T80 New is the T90 but with a new, more powerful engine.
    1. +1
      April 21 2024 17: 58
      The Abrams is a pretty nimble tank, but off-road it’s a complete 0. It’s the only way it gets stuck in the mud, but imagine crawling through shell craters in slush and rain? A nightmare for NATO repair service. In addition, the onboard armor is vulnerable even to RPG-7, and the battles in the Gaza Strip have shown that even the ultra expensive Merkava 4 is being knocked down like flies.
      It seems that these Abrams and Leopards, Challengers, Merkavas are advertised to the skies. And the harsh reality of the RPG-7 with tandem filling brought them down to the sinful earth lol
      In Russia, at least they know the maximum capabilities of armored vehicles.
  11. 0
    April 21 2024 10: 05
    90 m will be more armored, I think, but these 80 BVs at least have sane reverse gear.
    1. +4
      April 21 2024 10: 56
      Well, 12 km/h is certainly not 4, but I think I still wanted it to be faster. Why they don’t want to fix this problem is a mystery. It’s scary to watch how our tanks are forced to turn around with their stern facing the enemy.
      1. +2
        April 21 2024 17: 06
        ... I still wanted it to be faster. Why they don’t want to fix this problem is a mystery.

        It is very difficult.
        The new side box can now only be considered theoretically, although successful schemes were found even under Soviet rule.
        In Kharkov they made a flight gearbox with reverse for the Oplot, but when looking at the drawing, some questions arise about the reliability of such a solution. You can look at Chobitka.
        Finally, you can install reverse at the input of the BKP: in the guitar on the T-72, in the turbine on the T-80. But this is also a lot of fine-tuning work, and on the T-72 the hydraulic system pumps also need to be transferred to the guitar.
        You also need duplicated movement control from the commander. To do this, the current control system of the BKP must be greatly converted to electro-hydraulics.
        1. 0
          April 22 2024 00: 38
          Those who want look for opportunities; those who don’t want look for reasons.
          If there was a desire, there would have been several decades of time to find a solution. Instead of a wretched reverse gear, put a reverse gear in the gearbox, I think there is a place. If anything, I work as a designer.
          1. +1
            April 22 2024 23: 28
            You can’t “stick” anything into the on-board box (BKP). Only a new development based on a new kinematic scheme. And the search for the scheme itself is akin to art. All the experts are already dead. I wrote that a diagram of 6 front and 2 rear was found. That is, the task was recognized already in the 80s. But then there were also effective leaders like “make everything work, but don’t change anything.”
            I’ve already written about “plugging in reverse” before or after the BKP. It can be done, but don't forget about management.
    2. 0
      April 23 2024 16: 47
      Controversial issue. It depends on which T-80 you compare it with. The T-80u turret was unique. Looks like they're not releasing them now. On "B" and "BV" it was outdated.
  12. +1
    April 21 2024 10: 53
    He would like a T-90M turret...
    1. 0
      April 22 2024 23: 31
      Burlak is better...
      Carries!
  13. 0
    April 21 2024 11: 42
    It is unknown how many copies of the T-80B/BV remain in the strategic reserves of the Russian Federation. We also don’t know how many vehicles the Russians are capable of repairing and returning to service.
    And it’s just a stone’s throw from Poland to South Korea, but what’s even more pleasing is that Poland has secured multi-billion dollar loans to the delight of the Koreans, as long as the “citizens” from Hyundai are at least somewhat different from BMW. Koreans love to copy... from the Japanese. laughing
  14. +3
    April 21 2024 12: 30
    I wish you good health, Videl, the modernized "Eighty".
    Good car .
    I saw, without a “hat”, we call tower visors “a hat”
  15. 0
    April 21 2024 18: 09
    Why can't we just combine two T-80 tank chassis, with super thick armor in the front, and the crew in a capsule. The turret can be mounted on the rear of the chassis. Let the speed be below 50 km per hour, but it will be at
    stuffed with tomatoes up to the top. Electronic warfare, and 30 mm rapid-fire guns against Drones. And on top there will be not one layer of DM, but a double one! And between them there is an armor plate of up to 50 mm. That is, even if a tile is broken into the roof, the second one will protect the crew. True, we will have to reconsider the evacuation of the crew in the event of a hit. It is not necessary to build them en masse; at least 100 tanks from an elite brigade are enough. And send them to the most difficult directions. Naturally, with a rear speed of 30 km per hour, for maneuvering. So that you can find shelter in time. Well, the price will be the same as 3 T-90 tanks :) Why 3? This is for cutting the budget (just kidding) laughing
    1. +2
      April 22 2024 00: 05
      Keep going, you're doing well...
  16. 0
    April 21 2024 19: 33
    You can’t, don’t ignore it, you can just hang yourself, so as not to worry laughing
  17. +3
    April 22 2024 12: 01
    God! When will they install a copter on a leash on tanks? After all, the crew can’t see a damn thing! And a copter on a leash with all-round visibility will significantly increase the efficiency of using tanks! The commander will see EVERYTHING all around, and the copter is powered from the on-board network and is not afraid of electronic warfare and all sorts of nasty things!
    1. 0
      April 22 2024 22: 05
      balloon or compact unmanned airship
  18. +3
    April 22 2024 12: 46
    It would be nice to close the upper hemisphere of our much-hyped KAZ.

    and more effective than another barbecue, and the firing of the anti-projectile will not damage the fireballs spinning around.

    Well, yes, it costs money. So someone will have to sell one or two yachts in order to equip all the cars.

    There will be enough barbecues with dz.
  19. 0
    April 22 2024 14: 04
    Quote: Nexcom
    The upper hemisphere of the tower is protected by a visor (also with built-in remote sensing modules) and mesh screens.

    Finally! "Mangalo-building" has become serial, the handicraft industry is over....
    This means that the issue was approached thoroughly, and this is good news!


    It’s not over... The factory barbecue only protects from above, and the drone hits from behind/from above under the turret, and hits directly into the high ammunition rack.
    Therefore, in the trench you will have to cook another grill (huge size) which will prevent not only the machine gun, but also the cannon from turning.
    This is a critical design flaw of the T80.
    1. 0
      April 22 2024 23: 51
      another grill (huge size) that will prevent not only the machine gun, but also the cannon from turning.

      Look at the air intake device (AUD) of the T-80U.
      Falls on the march, rises in battle.
      This is like a principle for a barbecue.
      And, again, on the march the rear trays may not be loaded.
  20. +1
    April 22 2024 14: 15
    The main thing in a car is the people who fight in it.
  21. 0
    April 22 2024 19: 47
    26rus if you knew how many of them there were in the Western Group?! There, the T-80 was raced on training grounds day and night. Magnificent tank! The tankers said that on the stretch (a section of the highway passed) they overtook Trabants and Warburgs. The Germans were already shying away when our tankers rushed by. I then served in the neighboring unit in the air defense. According to doctrine, we were supposed to cover them, so I saw enough of them at the training ground. I think it was the best tank of the 80s.
  22. 0
    April 22 2024 23: 06
    Armored vehicles are suppressed by drones and guided missiles in both defense and attack. Better allocate resources to drones
  23. 0
    April 23 2024 10: 18
    Quote from: ln_ln
    another grill (huge size) that will prevent not only the machine gun, but also the cannon from turning.

    Look at the air intake device (AUD) of the T-80U.
    Falls on the march, rises in battle.
    This is like a principle for a barbecue.
    And, again, on the march the rear trays may not be loaded.

    what other trays?
  24. 0
    April 23 2024 10: 24
    Quote: forester
    26rus if you knew how many of them there were in the Western Group?! There, the T-80 was raced on training grounds day and night. Magnificent tank! The tankers said that on the stretch (a section of the highway passed) they overtook Trabants and Warburgs. The Germans were already shying away when our tankers rushed by. I then served in the neighboring unit in the air defense. According to doctrine, we were supposed to cover them, so I saw enough of them at the training ground. I think it was the best tank of the 80s.


    Enough of this nonsense about Trabants and so on. The tank is generally poorly controlled by levers at speed, and on the tracks on the highway it is generally like a cow on ice. Who would let this miracle drive along a busy highway?
  25. +1
    April 23 2024 12: 22
    Instead of an anti-aircraft machine gun, what is needed is an all-angle laser with an average power of 5-10 kW installed on the grill, similar to those installed on Chinese cutting machines for metal (they cut steel sheets up to 30-50 mm). I installed such a laser super pointer, and all the video cameras of flying evil spirits and eyes without glasses The enemies within a radius of 1 km are yours (in the fog, of course, less) It’s not for nothing that the Chinese put these medium-power lasers on their T99 tanks. You can’t just put an anti-aircraft machine gun over a barbecue, and you can’t do auto-guidance with it, it’s not “Derivation”, it’s difficult this is very good. And of course, let’s not forget about electronic warfare equipment. This is what any tank needs first of all now. And it wouldn’t hurt to enlarge the grill by covering the sides, otherwise many FPV drones fly under the grill at once.
  26. 0
    April 25 2024 10: 30
    Tanks are being transported to the front in trains. What are these tank losses?
  27. 0
    April 26 2024 07: 44
    As far as I understand, it is quite possible to install a turret or, more precisely, a “combat module” from the T-80M “Breakthrough” on the T-90 chassis.