The Russian army will switch to a buffet system

This year, the Russian military will switch to a new supply system “buffet”, said Major General Alexander Lapin, commander of the 20 Guards Combined Arms Army, on Saturday.

"The military power supply system is developing, and by March this year two brigades will switch to a completely new power supply system for the personnel on the type of buffet, and by the end of this year all units and military units will switch to this new power supply system," he is on the radio station Ekho Moskvy.

The general recalled that by the decision of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, the installation of shower cabins in the barracks had already begun, and on each floor of the barracks of the association there are rooms for tea drinking. In addition, each company now has a washing vacuum cleaner for wet cleaning in the barracks.

“Already in spring we will begin to receive a completely new field uniform,” added Lapin.

Comments

[kosmos44]

I'm afraid the cutlets will run out quickly. And the "kirzuha" will remain.

[older]

Quote: kosmos44

I'm afraid the cutlets will run out quickly. And the "kirzuha" will remain.

It’s very bad that it isn’t supposed to swear ... How much can be reformed. What works well ... Now they are being rebuilt and what? It’s not known what will happen, but since there’s definitely not any more ... Now, other tasks need to be solved .. .

[kosmos44]

Quote: older

How much can be reformed. That works well.

Because what works badly is already reformed. But we, on soldiers rations, were not exhausted.

[Kite]

"........ will switch to the new buffet ..."
- so much space will be for those who wish to write off the soldiers "and kebabs and wine."
Or is the buffet: tea with sugar, tea without sugar?

[Dima67]

Yes, after a year of service I ate a small ryashka (all the way anti-aircraft gunners) and in other branches of the army the thin always gained weight despite the fact that they drove us all.

[S_mirnov]

Buffet - good in Sweden! At our level of coruperation, the army buffet is hungry soldiers!

[Nick]

Quote: Dima67

Yes, after a year of service I ate a small ryashka (all the way anti-aircraft gunners) and in other branches of the army the thin always gained weight despite the fact that they drove us all.

Exactly. At the same time, I remember the first six months I wanted to eat constantly, and the weight grew.

[domokl]

Quote: Kite

those who wish to blame the soldiers for "both kebabs and wine will have plenty of space."
Or is the buffet: tea with sugar, tea without sugar?

It’s interesting, how much time will the fighter sit in the canteen now? So far they have come, they have chosen, while they have waited for what they wanted ...
And the heads of the canteens will now become army aligarchs ....

[domokl]

Quote: older

It’s very bad that you shouldn’t swear ..

I just imagined how many products will now need to be packed into the dining room ... And how quickly cutlets, butter and eggs will end ... Bullshit ...

[Felix200970]

Quote: older

It’s very bad that you shouldn’t swear ...

I really wanted to. It seems that Major General Lopatin was infected by the Ukrainian Prime Minister Azarov. Places for tea were in the barracks back in 1988 when I started the emergency. Maybe he has a dining room for every battalion? But eating an infantry regiment according to this scheme takes a lot of time compared to the tank system. Set the table more

[Lopatov]

Quote: Felix200970

But eating an infantry regiment according to this scheme takes a lot of time compared to the tank system.

But dining rooms can be made smaller in area.

And more time, the problem is easily solved.

[pav-pon1972]

Hence the conclusion -, restoration in parts of subsidiary plots ...
Too much waste will remain ...

[Mitek]

Premises for tea drinking .... Eh (And how about in the kapter after lights out ?!
But seriously, let's see what happens. Anything can be blasphemed. And about the subsidiary plots ... The soldier must first of all learn to fight. Moreover, they now serve with Gulkin Kui, and the equipment is not simple. Subsidiary farms must be created, I think, on the basis of former collective farms. (But there will be darkness problems).

[Nuar]

note - so-so, kamenty - super.

What a fuck. buffet (ShS)? why are you all writing? I will ask x questions, explain them to me, please.
1. as with AL - a ration will be compiled. How to observe all that damn balance of trace elements, which over the years have been made by doctors and nutritionists.
2. how complicated logistics is (what kind of word is .. hellish). Zamotyp now or fabulously rich or crazy.
3. how to deliver, and most importantly контролировать and product quality and money spent (especially in the context of large spaces of Russia)?
4. and finally the last. Как the attendant will take a sample and control that everything is in the dish (in the sense that the cook does not have butter, sugar and potatoes spizd .. uh ... put in accordance with the rules)

[Pimply]

1. There will be a certain certain minimum. As it is in most normal armies in the world.

2. Logistics will not be complicated. You are so shocked that it is something impossible. Meat and a number of other products will continue to be served portionwise.

3. Delivery is carried out as it is now. What do you see a total problem or a change in the level of delivery?

4. Standard - when, as in a restaurant, a sample of dishes is taken and stored in a special form. We had it like that.

[Nuar]

Quote: Pimply & LION

blah-blah-blah

Describe in more detail. Well, or for example.

The standard is when it’s like in a restaurant ... We had it.

as it was in your restaurant - very interesting, but the question is about the army.

There is a task to feed the regiment (one and a half thousand conventional men). Question: how to cook 8 first and 16 second courses? This one is how much different products, but no logistics, no matter how complicated that you are.

And the already rising problem of waste. here or those who first approached - there is a choice, the rest - what remains. or throw away (7 + 15) * 1500 unused dishes after each meal.

Alternatively, as a second course, the choice will be:
fresh cabbage salad, sauerkraut, stewed cabbage ...

And I don’t understand how the AL will be prepared by field-camp cuisine.
Well and of course dry. I believe that on a campaign, each soldier must carry 15 cans with him. Choose one, open and eat, throw out the rest.

[Pimply]

Blah blah blah tell yourself in front of the mirror.

Apparently in other countries they do not know this, so the soldiers are dying of hunger. So, creeping in?

You have an idea of ​​the buffet as a kind of anarchist freemen. In the usual version, the majority is recruited by the soldier himself, while the main dishes are given in portions.

Quote: Nuar

And I don’t understand how the AL will be prepared by field-camp cuisine.

If you do not understand, this does not mean that it is impossible. It just means that you do not understand.

[Atlon]

Quote: Pimply

There will be a certain minimum.

In this case, this is not a buffet, but a set lunch. Probably this has the right to life, but some dishes will not be popular at all. For example, everyone doesn’t like pearl barley, in fact this is the most valuable product in terms of nutrition:
Pearl barley

Vitamin A allows you to maintain vision, strengthens nails, normalizes metabolism, improves immunity.
Vitamin B contributes to the normal functioning of the nervous system, clean skin, and healthy hair.
Vitamin D strengthens bones and teeth, is responsible for the normal development of the skeleton and the entire musculoskeletal system.
Vitamin E helps keep skin youthful.
Phosphorus, which is twice as much in pearl barley than in any other croup, normalizes the activity of the endocrine system, and contributes to full-fledged brain activity. Due to its high phosphorus content, barley porridge is often recommended for athletes. It is the key to high speed and intensity of muscle contractions.
Barley is rich in amino acids, especially lysine, which has an antiviral effect for colds and herpes, helps to increase vitality and support cardiac activity. In addition, lysine contributes to the production of collagen and allows you to postpone the appearance of wrinkles for several years.
Pearl barley contains iron, copper, iodine, calcium, potassium, zinc, nickel, bromine, manganese, molybdenum, etc. — almost the entire periodic table. Truly, pearl barley is a very useful, "royal" porridge. The nutritional value of protein in it exceeds wheat protein, and barley is a recognized leader among cereals in the amount of fiber.

And how many people like millet? And this is potassium, magnesium, the same phosphorus, iodine and much more! And so on all the cereals! And if you eat only cutlets (or God forbid sausages!), You won’t get much! Does anyone remember green barrel tomatoes? This is such a killer charge of vitamins! oranges nervously smoke on the sidelines!
My opinion is that the buffet, let the Swedes enjoy! after Poltava, they still do not need to fight!

[Pimply]

So they won’t. And other types of products will be purchased. Because feeding a soldier with something tasteless is also not the best way out.

A comprehensive lunch is a bit different.

[LION]

I’m embarrassed to ask, did nutritionists come up with a barley bar too? You forgot to say about oats. I ate so much oats in the army that it is still embarrassing for horses to look in their eyes.
Everyone was on vacation all inclusive? I think no one had any problems. Apparently there will be 8 first and 16 second courses. The soldiers and officers will get used to and will say thanks. Moreover, if civilians cook, then asking them is easier. We pay you and want to get the maximum quality. Do not like it go to ......

[Dima67]

C'mon, no one died from oats. There were always these cereals in the army and healthy guys returned to demobilization. Although immediately after homemade food a little tight. But not deadly. By the way, nutritionists came up with a barley of pearl barley, we don’t need lobsters, etc. ........

[Atlon]

Look a little higher, I wrote about pearl barley.

[Consmo]

Strange, they didn’t feed us any garbage. Oats and barley did not know such words. We ate normally. Stroybat. Kirov. 1986 demobilization. Before the demobilization, they even began to get fat.

[Mikado]

What do you think there will be a real AL? There will be a choice of two first, two second and two compotes (with luck), try something extra take)

[Atlon]

Quote: Mikado

There will be a choice of two first, two second and two compotes (with luck), try something extra take)

This is called a set lunch, not a buffet.

[skrgar]

1000 times right !! Again, not doing that ..- there are enough other problems ...

[ziqzaq]

Quote: Nuar

What a fuck. buffet (ShS)?

Maybe they meant officers?
Otherwise, you are right, there are much more questions than answers.

[Felix200970]

Quote: Nuar

1. as with AL - a ration will be compiled. How to observe all that damn balance of trace elements, which over the years have been made by doctors and nutritionists.

In the same way as before - according to the standard layout menu

Quote: Nuar

2. how complicated logistics is (what kind of word is .. hellish). Zamotyp now or fabulously rich or crazy.

Not at all. Question to the office that prepares the zhrachka, and deputy. on the rear, he can only boggle the office for not bringing the rate of allowance according to the contract for the supply of services

Quote: Nuar

3. how to deliver, and most importantly control both the quality of the products and the spent money (especially in the context of large spaces of Russia)?

See the answer to the second question

Quote: Nuar

4. and finally the last. As the attendant will take the sample and control that everything is in the dish (in the sense that the cooks have no butter, sugar and potatoes .. uh ... put in accordance with the rules)

Same as before. Half an hour before eating personnel. And God forbid something will be wrong. The office that provides services is becoming a beggar. what spizd cooks are their problems. The main thing is that the food was brought according to the norm
In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, this case has been tested for a long time and is working normally. The point is in two things: the commander's adherence to principle in the matter of nutrition and the adherence to the unit on duty. Another question is that eating during the distribution takes longer than when eating according to the "tank system"

[vilenich]

But after all, it is possible to maintain subsidiary farms on the basis of the same outsourcing, why should a soldier be identified there?

[vilenich]

On the contrary, there will be no waste. Outsourcing which businessman will throw away products. The next day, the uncooked meat is portioned to the minced meat for cutlets, the uncooked meat the next day to the filling for pancakes and so on until complete destruction.
One I do not understand how they will get out with the diet?

[Pimply]

And what do you see as a radical problem with food standards?

[Ascetic]

Quote: kosmos44

I'm afraid the cutlets will run out quickly. And "kirzuha" will remain

As the saying goes in a German proverb. In der großen Familie schnalze vom Schnabel nicht. What does the translation mean in a large family they don’t click their beak. Well, according to Vladimir Semenovich Vysotsky
First best pieces, And the second - what is it, he verified everything - Bones with a liver will be given in comfort.

The Russian army will switch to a buffet system

The main thing is that she does not switch to everyday life according to the "Swedish family" system. Again, probably people who never served in the army, and even more so did not eat in the soldiers' canteen, had a hand in reforming the army life.

[zanoza]

These "inventors" seem to be impressed by the SPA buffets.

Introduced this innovation in Military SANATORIES (!) (Where diet food is not the last thing in the process of improving the health of vacationers), so half of the vacationers began to overeat , and the second one "got hooked" on a strict diet ("in a big family, e ...... don't click" - the thesis is flourishing!

[Pimply]

No, most modern armies eat this way.

[Shoma-1970]

kerza in the past.

[tronin.maxim]

Grandfather in the army will be pleased! Interestingly, did they take into account the hazing?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tronin.maxim

Interestingly, did they take into account the hazing?

Yes, what grandfathers are there, I served for half a year already

[baltika-18]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yes, what grandfathers are there, I served for half a year already

And I’m dressed as a Papuan on demobilization. I mean modern demobilization perversions. Well, by the way. I don’t know about the buffet, I generally don’t accept such crap. But what was good about the Soviet army in such matters as food. That was all It’s calculated, from a scientific point of view, how many calories, proteins, fats and carbohydrates, vitamins a soldier should get. It was deliciously cooked, not tasty, this is how. But the fact that even the very last squishy man after the army came for sure. I didn’t come across any emaciated, I apologize for all the mugs healthy expression.

[Tersky]

Quote: baltika-18

And on a demobilization dressed as a Papuan.

No. ..Papuans nervously smoking aside .....

[Hleb]

Papuans nervously smoking aside

[Tersky]

Quote: Gleb

Papuans nervously smoking aside

, I probably managed to sew feathers and beads while I posted his first picture, !!!!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Tersky

probably managed to sew feathers and beads while I posted his first photo

So there is a whole production

[Nicotine 7]

this after the demobilization can safely count on the post of senior shaman in his ulus.

[sprut]

Well, a clown ... What is the beauty here, it’s not clear ... It’s clear that he had nothing to do ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: sprut

Immediately evident, he had nothing to do ..

Yes, from Tuva, dude, he is in Russian, only in part began to speak

[Andrey58]

Quote: baltika-18

I’m sure that everything was calculated, and from a scientific point of view, how many calories, proteins, fats and carbohydrates, vitamins a soldier should get. It was deliciously cooked, not tasty, that's where.

Food should be not only healthy but also tasty.

Quote: baltika-18

But the fact that even the very last squelch after an army by a peasant came for sure.

In the 92nd in the then Soviet fleet on about. Russian from starvation, four sailors died, 250 were hospitalized with dystrophy. So do not speak for everyone.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Andrey58

In the 92nd in the then Soviet fleet on about. Russian from starvation, four sailors died, 250 were hospitalized with dystrophy.

In 1992, the fleet was no longer Soviet, but Russian. And talking about the Soviet army during the collapse of the USSR, how silly it is about the Soviet army in general.

[Andrey58]

It is foolish not to take into account the inertia of processes in the army. For a year with a small garrison in such a remote garrison, nothing could drastically improve or worsen. So everything that happened is a consequence of the situation that developed long before the 92nd or 91st years.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Andrey58

It is foolish not to take into account the inertia of processes in the army. For a year with a small garrison in such a remote garrison, nothing could drastically improve or worsen. So everything that happened is a consequence of the situation that developed long before the 92nd or 91st years.

There are no questions for you. Of course, the soldiers were not fed in the Soviet army, and they began to be fed only in Russia thanks to the wise economic and defense policies of Yeltsin and Putin.

[Andrey58]

Quote: baltika-18

There are no questions for you. Of course, the soldiers were not fed in the Soviet army, and they began to be fed only in Russia thanks to the wise economic and defense policies of Yeltsin and Putin.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Andrey58

It is foolish not to take into account the inertia of processes in the army. For a year with a small garrison in such a remote garrison, nothing could drastically improve or worsen.

Yah?! Garrison Sherlovaya gora (Sherlovy hole))). 91st year. Chicken and milk for urgent service. I have not seen this in the GSVG. Where is the inertia ?! No need to extrapolate the problems of one garrison to all aircraft. In the USSR Armed Forces they fed at least peculiarly, but soundly! I want to argue - write in the mail, there is nothing to breed!

[s1н7т]

Quote: Andrey58

In the 92nd in the then Soviet fleet on about. Russian from starvation, four sailors died, 250 were hospitalized with dystrophy.

And were they fed at the norm? Go with fairy tales to another site. Private theft does not apply to the diet in the USSR Armed Forces.
P.S. If you don’t know, I report that the soldier rations in the USSR Armed Forces were more than the officer rations (for money)

[Egoza]

In fact, the buffet does not imply soups, but it does offer a choice of several types of salads and several types of main courses. And in the field, how? Or just another window dressing?

[kosmos44]

Quote: Egoza

And in the field, how? Or another window dressing?

Well no. Rather, another topic for blah blah blah ....

[Tersky]

Quote: Egoza

Generally, the soup buffet does not include

Good health, Elena ! My opinion as a Russian peasant:

no salad can replace it

[Egoza]

And you don’t get sick, Victor! Borsch is really power !!! And also lard, meat, potatoes, cottage cheese, sour cream ..... and herring!
My cadets somehow calculated that during the 1 course the group ate 3,5 km of herring!

[Pimply]

Assumes. The buffet is that there is a set of dishes from which you can choose

[Nechai]

Quote: Egoza

And in the field, how?

In field conditions will be covered SWEDISH GLADE. If at all in a contract with an outsourcing company, there is a clause on providing power also outside the PDP. Then dry. Share on shorting and forward.

[dmitreach]

if only the meat for soy was not changed, and there was at least a table, at least a Swedish wall. but generally good news.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: dmitreach

and there’s even a table, even a Swedish wall

The main thing is not for the Swedish family

[Atlon]

Quote: dmitreach

but generally good news.

Did you serve When? Where? How many years?

[Lopatov]

Does it really matter?
Have you ever noticed young people who tried for the second time to take the turn for distribution? Did you notice their hip pockets, which puffed out from the brown bread at the exit from the dining room?

[Atlon]

Quote: Spade

Does it really matter?

But what about !? He who has not served will not understand!

Quote: Spade

which from brown bread puffed at the exit of the dining room?

It was like that! But this, the first time, I already wrote above. then you get into mode. and they ate bread, because they did not want pearl barley. But you won’t be full of one chernushka! So after KMB, almost everyone chopped off everything they give! And the bread in their pockets was no longer dragged.

[Lopatov]

That is, everyone eats differently. And the buffet is justified, isn't it

[s1н7т]

Quote: Spade

Have you ever noticed young people who tried for the second time to take the turn for distribution? Pay attention to their

Lopatov, did you serve urgently?

[Alexander-Tomsk]

Yeah, and the order so that this table was respected by rank, first generals and so on ... As a result, the soldiers won’t get anything.
Enough MB is already perverted ...

[const72]

And what is trifling, you must immediately enter the all-inclusive system))

[kosmos44]

The general recalled that by the decision of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, the installation of shower cabins in the barracks had already begun, and on each floor of the barracks of the association there are rooms for tea drinking. In addition, each company now has a washing vacuum cleaner for wet cleaning in the barracks.

Each senior employee will be given a hammock, and a "young" fan.
Pineapple juice will be delivered to each trench and dry closets will be installed.

[Septugian]

Not from a great mind it is done!

[nuclear scientist]

IN THE SOVIET ARMY, THE NUTRITION OF THE SOLDIER WAS CALCULATED BY KYALCOALORIES AND FROM NATURAL PRODUCTS, AND NOW THEY WILL PLACE THEM ON Pieces From SOY, SUCCESS TO GRAB, MEAN FULL

[Andrey77]

In Soviet times, he did not serve, but according to the stories of people - stewed cabbage and overalls (86-88 years). Refute.

[Akim]

Quote: Andrey77

Braised Cabbage and Combine (

And I like stewed cabbage and pea porridge.

[Bort radist]

Quote: Andrey77

according to people's stories - stewed cabbage and overalls

! 975 in the training, in principle, normally fed, rice, potatoes, pasta, (before jumping with stew), canned fish. The regiment is worse, but no one lost weight. Once a week cutlet, bun on holidays. Boiled egg on the day of flight.
When put on flight food is a fairy tale. The choice of 3 first, three second, fruit, chocolate ............. But the conscripts of the flyers were only 7 people.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Bort Radist

! 975 in the training, in principle, normally fed, rice, potatoes, pasta, (before jumping with stew), canned fish. The regiment is worse, but no one lost weight. Once a week cutlet, bun on holidays. Boiled egg on the day of flight.

1975?
Salute to the veteran of the Air Force!)))
In the 81st they fed better in the regiment than in the training - 100%! I gained 10 kg there, even though I worked on brake stacking - up to 150 stacks per shift! And when in 2, in 3 shifts flew ?! True, we were all part of the PDG (you know, probably), on flights we were fed at the flight norm, but from there we only took meat and fruit. And chocolate when re-arranging NAZ - was in abundance, it was changed to cigarettes

[Bort radist]

Quote: c1n7

Salute to the veteran of the Air Force!)))

Guard Veteran!

[baltika-18]

Quote: Andrey77

In Soviet times, he did not serve, but according to the stories of people - stewed cabbage and overalls (86-88 years). Refute.

Refute. 83-85 years-from memory: breakfast-cereal porridge (different), gravy (meat, onion, tomato, vegetable oil), butter, white and black bread, tea with sugar, lunch-soup, pasta, meat sauce , compote, bread, mashed potatoes dinner, fried meat with onions or fried fish, salad, tea. Doppayek: gingerbread (though I remember "oak", condensed milk is rare, but in the shop you could buy as much as you want, sprat in tomato, pea porridge with meat, buckwheat with meat). Something like that. We only had cabbage in salads.

[Region-25.rus]

Served 91-93 years. The last call of the biennial we were! Then they were called up for one and a half! What can I say, half a year of training at the ShMASS military unit 40710 near Vladivostok (by the way, Father Russky is nearby).
The food was simple - millet, chopped, yachka, pearl barley, sometimes buckwheat, for the first soup and borscht (very conditional, of course). and threw off 10 kilograms in the first month, probably) but by the time the cheeks were sticking out wider than the cap) And still I think that: food should be simple and high-calorie !!! if you ate salads and fingering your wrinkles then I think those loads would not be able to withstand! (and drove a robust, although signalmen)!

Well, when I got to the "battle", there was certainly a more varied menu) And they drove it differently already) There were enough calories)))

[Atlon]

I served 1988-1990 I changed three parts: Shchelkovo (Moscow region), Konotop (Ukraine). The food is good. They didn’t sit on one cabbage. Meat, fish, cereals, potatoes.

[Dikremnij]

I also did not serve in the CA, but from my father, who served in the Central Conservatory (87-89), I constantly heard about stewed cabbage, pickle and mixed-meats.

[BARKAS]

A food system similar to the buffet used to exist in some units before, the experience is positive so there’s no need to invent anything new.

[baltika-18]

Quote: BARKAS

A food system similar to the buffet used to exist in some units,

Outsourcers rub playful hands in anticipation of big profits

[BARKAS]

Nowadays, an outsourcer could be called a person with certain digestive problems. Now this is a buzzword.

[Andrey58]

Quote: baltika-18

Outsourcers rub playful hands in anticipation of big profits

Warehousing could rub the handles, which no one really watched. Merchants work under the contract. The contract provides for sanctions for improper performance of work. For a businessman, any violation = loss of money and contract. Because he personally interested in everything to be really in order.

[serezhasoldatow]

They do not do anything, I was convinced when I was on business trips. In the only part it was normal, but there the commander of these merchants in black gloves kept, and in the others ...

[vilenich]

Quote: Andrey58

Because he is personally interested

А personally he is only interested in getting as much benefit as possible! The quality of the free face, as long as it remains, keeping track of it is rather problematic since private enterprise after all.

[Atlon]

Quote: Andrey58

Merchants work under the contract. The contract provides for sanctions for improper performance of work.

Everything is easier ...
Who can blame the businessman? The customer ... and the customer is also human! A businessman will share with him, and that’s it. The question is removed ...
And in our Army, when I served, especially "smart" or negligent people were fed with their own concoctions ... and everything went right at once! fried potatoes in the locker, that's good, but first feed the soldiers, and then indulge. Something like that.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Atlon

Who can blame the businessman? The customer ... and the customer is also human! A businessman will share with him, and that’s it. The question is removed ...
And in our Army, when I served, especially "smart" or negligent people were fed with their own concoctions ... and everything went right at once! fried potatoes in the locker, that's good, but first feed the soldiers, and then indulge. Something like that.

True said Paul.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Atlon

Everything is easier ...
Who can blame the businessman? The customer ... and the customer is also human! A businessman will share with him, and that’s it. The question is removed ...
And in our Army, when I served, especially "smart" or negligent people were fed with their own concoctions ... and everything went right at once! fried potatoes in the locker, that's good, but first feed the soldiers, and then indulge. Something like that

Harsh but effective!

[s1н7т]

Quote: Andrey58

Warehousing could rub the handles, which no one really watched. Merchants work under the contract. Contract

Have you ever interceded Art. in the dining room? That warehouse officer will not have anything if you are a normal person. These are fairy tales. I don’t know what they were stealing / stealing on, but the extradition was controlled by many people - from the attire (including the dezh. In part) to political workers. For 10 years of service, there were no complaints about the "warehouse" from the "consumers") Do not repeat the nonsense from the media

[Zeman]

Please voice these units. How many served, I have never seen.

[predator.3]

it remains to deploy McDonald's in the troops, so that they don't sit in the canteens, and eat all kinds of cheeseburgers on the go! as I understand it, someone will eat some cutlets, and the other is a salad of cabbage, but what about complex nutrition? First, second ....

[Akim]

Quote: predator.3

it remains to deploy in the McDonald's troops,

And to carry in on "! Field" - a mobile option.

[Pimply]

Traditionally, meat in such situations is distributed portionwise. Buffet refers to the number of side dishes, salad, soups.

[Akim]

Pimply,
Gravy with meat also has a side dish. What about salads. I don’t know how now and about a couple of years ago a tareka with salad or caviar was put on a table of 4 (of course, not a roast but an overseas one) and could take as much as you want. For fighters for 10 people put two large bowls with such salads. Kefir - fed. For dieters prepared separately. Apples, pears, tomatoes, cucumbers, onions, garlic were not given piece by piece. By the piece, there were only eggs. And this is not the Soviet time, but the times of individual states (but fed according to Soviet standards).

[Pimply]

A side dish is pasta under it. And gravy is a portion distribution.

[Akim]

Quote: Pimply

A side dish is pasta under it. And gravy is a portion distribution.

Your truth was wrong. Only meat was never given piece by piece before, and never purely cooked pieces. Everything went with gravy and poured the prescribed rate. Even the soldiers, in part, in the winter were given boiled lard in a "sauce".

[Atlon]

Quote: Akim

but fed according to Soviet standards

And these are the most correct standards! In the USSR, in general, much was better! Education, nutrition, healthcare (not medicine). army food was BALANCED! Who came to the Army fat, he lost weight, who came skinny that gained weight. To the demobil, everyone was the same. Healthy, broad-shouldered, with excellent appetite, real men! And if you eat some sausages from soy, will you make many coups?

[atalef]

Quote: Atlon

Who came to the Army fat, he lost weight, who came skinny that gained weight. To the demobil, everyone was the same. Healthy, broad-shouldered, with excellent appetite, real men!

We have from the company, for my service 6's commissarized with an ulcer. They fed it precariously and I don’t know by the standards maybe balanced, but who checked them (we have the norms) Head of the rear services? The underground, and the stars on the epaulettes are generals, and the car - the head part (Gen. Major) did not have one.
In the unit there were 2500 officers and 1200 soldiers. He had a place to turn around.

[Hleb]

In our company, for my service, 6 commissaries with an ulcer.

I generally wonder why it is rare for anyone to write about such cases here. Almost everyone, at least in school, is tormented with heartburn.
they are fried several times in one oil. tanks, boilers do not really wash. as a result, the stomachs go bad

[Lopatov]

Not from all the same products.
Sour cabbage, bigos from the same, technical borsch (rare rubbish from large cans), and alcohol bread

[Hleb]

it doesn’t matter because of what. I am cabbage soup and borscht also from cabbage. the fact is that the stomachs spoiled. well, at least I felt it on myself. until I left for another unit from the school. I think it was like that everywhere.
in general, if you do not properly wash the dishes and fry in the same oil several times, then it does not matter which products. Heartburn is provided

[Lopatov]

Well, this is a completely different problem. Cooking problem. The more eaters, the worse they cook.

Here in our school was a support division. The menu is exactly the same. The products are exactly the same, in the warehouse received at the same time. But they have tasty, but we don’t understand what. We rode there in the second guard, in an outfit for KTP, so we experienced this difference on ourselves.
And it seems that the conditions are the same completely, and we and they have cooks are civilian.

And later, on the example of other parts, he noticed this.

[Hleb]

Well, what about another problem? We are talking about the army. It is there that these problems exist. The number of people affects the quality. I agree. This is logical. Therefore, I support civilian personnel in the kitchen. But at the same time, you can ask them for quality. and you’ll ask a lot about a soldier or a warrant officer. Even after a while. After an urgent, we could come and put in the cooks for the quality. A soldier is a rookie what can if the commander does not control

[Lopatov]

Well, if these "set meals" are introduced - 1-2 first, 2-3 second, then the quality, I think, will increase. Cooking will be less.

Well, asking is without question. Only, to be honest, I don’t understand the mechanism of control over command of the units over the quality of the prepared food

[Hleb]

if the commander is eating from the same boiler as a soldier, is this not control?
and complex dinners will differ in what? if the attitude is the same? at least ten dishes ... if you cook the same ...
interesting again. and if we came with a company and chose a hodgepodge. but didn’t take cabbage soup .. where did they get the leftovers from here in the army, then they would definitely be left to the next appointment.

[Lopatov]

And when do officers eat soldiers from the same boiler, especially family ones? Only military operations, outfit, combat duty and in the fields. Well, the young lieutenants in the first few months.
The second problem, even if they eat, how can they affect? Come, quarrel, ask for a shipment to a known address, because they are not subordinate to him.

[Hleb]

and I say that of course it depends on the command. well, and again, if the same lieutenant comes to the commander of the unit and says that they say my soldiers are poorly fed ... doesn’t he react? maybe, but this is if he takes from the dining room ..
I was confronted with fighting. after we saw the products of our food warehouse in a Czech store, we went directly to the food department. We didn’t go to the dining room anymore. they came and took what was needed. And he couldn’t say anything. because the bitch was selling to Czechs. but it’s us again. and the conscript can do that. Here it turns out that everything depends on the commander. Of course, he can clean up his own kitchen as well. But it seems easier to ask the civilians. requires quality

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gleb

if the same lieutenant comes to the unit commander and says that they say my soldiers are poorly fed

It is this mechanism that I do not understand. Well, the lieutenant came, complained, or the person on duty reported: Comrade Colonel, they feed him disgustingly. What's next? After all, cooks do not obey the unit commander.

[Hleb]

What's next? After all, cooks do not obey the unit commander.

they don’t obey, but the MO pays for the services. there is no quality, no salaries. everything is simple. and if the cook is an conscript, what can you get from him? He can do it after school and never cook. Plus he has all the thoughts: how to get to the bed ... unless you ask him? the boiler didn’t wash properly and to hell with it. grandfathers came at night, picked up food ... well, okay. I’ll fry it in yesterday’s oil. I’ll add water to the soup and that's enough for everyone .. what’s from it to take?

[Lopatov]

That is, practically the commander does not have a part of levers for influence. One option is to contact the Consumer Society.

I am for civilians in the same kitchen, but I believe that the command should have more opportunities to influence their work.

Well, with the chefs in uniform: there are carts, so they need to be trained somehow, aren't they. This moment is also completely incomprehensible to me.

[Atlon]

Quote: Spade

Well, the lieutenant came, complained, or the person on duty reported: Comrade Colonel, they feed him disgustingly. What's next?

Lopatov ... If you don’t want to confess, you didn’t answer more than one question ... But it is already 200% clear that you did not serve! You write such nonsense that at least stand, at least fall! Even sergeants can influence the quality of food! I already wrote above how several sergeants from the company "taught" the cooks to cook and not spit. This is learned quickly, there would be a desire to teach. And the unit commander has much more leverage.

[s1н7т]

Different times, different armies.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Spade

And when do officers eat soldiers from the same boiler, especially family ones? Only military operations, outfit, combat duty and in the fields. Well, the young lieutenants in the first few months.
The second problem, even if they eat, how can they affect? Come, quarrel, ask for a shipment to a known address, because they are not subordinate to him.

Every day someone from the platoon or deputy .com. company dined with l / s. If something is wrong, they immediately summoned them, did not contact the outfit. Immediately the reaction of NachPO and the party commission. In short, no need to drive for food in the USSR Armed Forces. Not a restaurant, but BG provided 100%!

[Pimply]

It’s not even a cooking problem, it’s a problem of standards and support for business.

[Lopatov]

Cooks dramatically changed their attitude due to the fact that they worked five kilometers. from school? Well, there were some standards.

[Pimply]

Cooks change their relationships depending on who steers them, and how toughly they make sure that they cook normally, and not like a god at heart.

[Region-25.rus]

Here I am completely FOR !!! Often, just a doltish relationship between commanders and performers leads to the fact that people eat what even dogs do not eat. I will not talk about the service) I already wrote! And here is a case from my recent past - in 96, on the Okhotsk Sea expedition! The first month the shafini (chef) cooked and drove her like spirits! Then she "climbed" under the line and ... that's it! Itself relaxed, and its subordinates! And they began to prepare such a g ... As long as the crew (and our fishermen after six months are very inadequate) the senior man was not slapped on the face in the dark corridor! ))
So - EVERYTHING IS DECIDED BY PEOPLE AND ATTITUDE, not standards !!

[s1н7т]

Quote: Gleb

in general, if you don’t really wash the dishes and fry in the same oil several times,

We didn't have that. The dishes were washed in dishwashers, where they were poured over the roof in a "dishwasher", and 3 different (from different divisions) officers watched the food. However, there was heartburn, yes. Probably, this should be attributed to the period of nutrition before the army.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Atlon

army food was BALANCED! Who came to the Army fat, he lost weight, who came skinny that gained weight. To the demobil, everyone was the same. Healthy, broad-shouldered, with excellent appetite, real men!

Again, I agree.

[Nechai]

Quote: predator.3

it remains to deploy in the McDonald's troops

Yeah, along the way, having monetized the provision of a fighter. Let them eat cash for their hard cash. The uniform also buys. He wants in part, wants in the market. Do not let weapons and equipment while the state is on lease. But the ammunition, mines there, as well as fuel to the market, to shopping centers, gas stations. Thus, the state will bring part of the shadow circulation of weapons into the light of God.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Nechai

Yeah, along the way, having monetized the provision of a fighter.

But in our army it seems that she already has one. My sister had a boy in 2011 in Kovrov, a pea jacket was stolen from him, so she was forced to pay.

[the polar]

The collapse of the army continues. The command disclaims responsibility for the soldiers' food, and "stool outsourcing" will get an additional loophole to write off billions.

[Pimply]

It's funny And before, that means there was no theft, and the soldiers ate according to restaurant standards

[Andrey77]

You can’t even imagine what the soldiers of the Soviet Army ate in the 80s.

[Pimply]

Imagine. I have both grandfathers - army officers.

[Atlon]

Quote: Pimply

Imagine. I have both grandfathers - army officers.

You just can’t imagine! I kept reading your comments, and I thought my comrade did not serve ... Otherwise, I would not have defended this nonsense. I’m used to mother's grubs and with a refrigerator near by. So I was right. And grandfathers officers, this is nothing. You have to feel it yourself. I have both grandfather and father, retired colonels, and I traveled through the garrisons. But when he himself, without his grandfather, it is more obvious.

[Pimply]

I served for three years in quite a combat situation, and for nine years I went to the reserve. We didn’t switch to you, dear man.
I served in the IDF, and what I ate in the 80s in the army I represent because I went to my grandfather in the unit, just during these years.
So, I have a clear idea about the buffet in the army, including in the field, and about what they ate in the Soviet army, and then in the Russian one.
To organize a normal meal is not such a problem, and the buffet here is one of the most normal options.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Pimply

I served in the IDF,

So, Eugene, you are from the army of the former and future potential adversary.

[vilenich]

Quote: Andrey77

You can’t even imagine what the soldiers of the Soviet Army ate in the 80s.

I can imagine it, served in the 80s. There was no outsourcing, there was no buffet, but the officer in charge of the regiment was always present on the food items in the boiler, the distribution was supervised by the person on duty. No one went hungry. It's just that it was organized in different parts in different ways, and since we have enough gouging, we can give examples of poor-quality food, but in general, the food was organized in a balanced and high-quality way.

[Atlon]

vilenich, in general, the point is not what norms and what products. And not in the one who cooks, and where. The main point is that there would be responsibility, and good faith. Well, about the buffet anyway against. Nutrition should be balanced, according to science, and not what I wanted.

[ammunition]

I think that strict food rationing by rations - the thing is very correct. In the sense - as it was accepted before. Only need to tighten supervision and punishment for the smallest cases of unequal distribution of food. And further - be sure to include 50 gr. cottage cheese per day. For bones and teeth.

Why do I think so? Because he himself was in situations where soldering sharply decreased. And then law - to divide equally .. even the remaining crumbs .. retained the combat effectiveness of the units. And yet .. such an unwritten law psychologically helped to survive the periods of hunger strikes.

Maybe I'm wrong ... Then explain - Why wrong?

[AK-47]

Quote: ammunition

And yet - be sure to include 50 gr. cottage cheese per day.

More precisely, dairy products: milk, sour cream, cottage cheese, cheese. And also chocolate, coffee, fruits, juices. On weekends: beer, wine in a science-based amount. This is not nonsense, in a civilian they had it, even if they have it in the army. In the Austro-Hungarian army during the First World War, according to Y. Gashek, these foods were included in the diet.

[ammunition]

If the cottage cheese is cooked accordingly, it can be stored for up to 2 weeks. Therefore, he wrote about the cottage cheese.

And chocolate, fruit juices, have always been in the army. Just do not enter the mass diet. Because I had to take into account the realities.

The same BRA received chocolate for jumping. Freebie!

[Lieutenant colonel]

Excuse OGRB - who is this? And where did they jump, or where from where? Just wondering. I know the aviation received the "starting" ration, and these - who?

[ammunition]

Quote: Reserve lieutenant colonel

Sorry BRA - who is this?

BINs are reconnaissance battalions in divisions .. .. in former divisions.
They are all separate .. and they are all guards. Therefore, the exhaust gas RB

And they jumped only with An-2 go and Mi 8. Intelligence ... What will you take?

[baltika-18]

Quote: ammunition

If the cottage cheese is cooked accordingly, it can be stored for up to 2 weeks

From milk powder with the addition of emulsifiers and stabilizers and even preservatives. There is more harm than good.

[Akim]

Quote: AK-47

On weekends: beer, wine

Wine is given to divers. And about beer ... I remember our cadets went to Britain. There for dinner they gave out a can of non-alcoholic beer. They say they tried it once and didn't drink it anymore. Exactly - the first step to a rubber woman. Maybe that's why England is full of homosexuals?

[ammunition]

Quote: Akim

Exactly - the first step to a rubber woman.

[Andrey77]

But the penis will be goals. ;)

[Andrey77]

They used to give out. Now holds from the shore are full to the eyeballs. :)

[Misantrop]

Quote: Akim

Wine is given to divers

Right. 50 g of dry wine per day. Cottage cheese (freeze-dried), chocolate, roach, caviar and a rather large assortment are included in the autonomous soldering No. 1 of nuclear submarines. There are juices too

[djon3volta]

Quote: AK-47

And also chocolate, coffee, fruits, juices. On weekends: beer, wine

you roll your lip ?!

[Nechai]

Quote: ammunition

Maybe I'm wrong ...

That’s who will become you, Nikolai, to prove it - that is the hidden enemy!

[Atlon]

Quote: ammunition

And yet - be sure to include 50 gr. cottage cheese per day. For bones and teeth.

Cottage cheese replaces pearl barley And replaces fully! There is no milk in the army, because there are problems with freshness. And stale milk, maybe the whole regiment put worse shrapnel! Nutritionists do not go, oh, especially military nutritionists.
pysy, about pearl barley painted above, if interested find my post.

[Pimply]

With modern technology - problems with freshness? Do not make me laugh. The question is desire. In Israel, in a hot country, dairy was twice a day. And these curds, and yogurts, cheeses, and cold cocoa in bags. The whole question is in normal logistics

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Atlon

Nutritionists do not go, oh, especially military nutritionists

Not idiots of course, but for some reason they themselves do not want to eat

[Lopatov]

Strongly approve

[Atlon]

Quote: Ruslan67

Not idiots of course, but for some reason they themselves do not want to eat

Do you personally know at least one nutritionist of the RAS?

[Akim]

Quote: Atlon

There is no milk in the army

There was porridge with milk and kefir and fermented baked milk. That year I read an admonition for the British visiting Euro: "They (in Ukraine) have kefir there, somewhat similar to our sour milk yogurt"

[Atlon]

Quote: Akim

There was porridge with milk and kefir and fermented baked milk.

When I served there was no. Moreover, it was strictly forbidden! Even in the "teahouse" was not. This is in the tutorial. There were no troops in the troops either, but it was in the military office, although it was forbidden to sell soldiers with milk, but ... we negotiated with the girls. But this is already in the second year of service, closer to the demobilization. Sometimes they bought sour cream.

[Ragnarek]

Well, I don’t know, perhaps as an experiment in a couple of parts to try? and so the variety in nutrition is certainly good.

[Septugian]

With hazing fierce, these spirits are doomed to hungry faints!

[Uncle Vasya]

What nonsense to take away food and you proudly call the Army? There is some kind of mumble zone and they don’t do it there because they don’t give a clue. So the army, in your opinion, is inferior even to the urks in ethics? Scribe.

[Septugian]

Go and serve! ”And I didn’t say that it’s normal, but there’s a gaffe, and with it, all this introducing Swedish tables is just nonsense!

[Bort radist]

Quote: Uncle Vasya

take away food and that you proudly call

Nobody took away - "I am a rookie, a wild goose, I solemnly swear, I do not eat sugar, do not eat butter, and give everything to my grandfathers ......"

[maxon109]

who was sitting at a common table of 10 people, when the barrel is placed next to the grandfathers, and there are 2-4 of them, then nothing reaches the last, or did I have one like that?

[Bort radist]

Quote: maxon109

at a common table of 10 people, when the barrel is placed next to the grandfathers, and there are 2-4 of them, then nothing reaches the last

Our grandfathers at the teahouse ate, in general, everyone had enough

[vjatsergey]

You had strange grandfathers then! Our grandfathers did not even eat what they gave in barrels as we called them - "dozens", everyone had to go to the dining room together, and they only drank tea with bread and butter (moreover, real butter, not made from high-quality vegetable fats) and sugar, and the first and second ate the rest at the table. And at our table there were two demobels.

[Pimply]

And how can you tell me?

[ALEX26659]

and locally produced alcohol

[maxbrov74]

What is the table and chair ...

[Igor]

Again, the adherents of the scoop are indignant and remember how they were fed half-rotten vegetables and which porridge can be glued wallpaper, and especially they give comments on how the food was calculated by kilocalories, so I want to ask a question! If you counted kilocalories, then why was the army uniform only big and smallest?

[kosmos44]

Quote: Igorek

If you counted kilocalories, then why was the uniform in the army only the largest and smallest?

This is because bogatyrs (large sizes) served in the Soviet army, but the dwarfs were not offended (small sizes). And not shkerilis "fools" and hospitals. And I do not know a single person who would be demobilized with a lack of weight. On the contrary, everyone "got better", as you say in rotten vegetables. And there is no need to offend the country on whose resources Russia is still "traveling".

[Atlon]

Quote: Igorek

Again, the adherents of the scoop are indignant and remember how they were fed half-rotten vegetables

he himself served, u-bo-giy?

[sprut]

This is normal. The soldier must be full.

[Uncle Vasya]

Why are you so skeptical about the "new leadership" in world practice, it has long become the norm, and you all live in the concepts of a global war, as I understand it, former regiments and those who served in the Red Army in due time because of nostalgic sentiments are disapproving, for some reason, the advanced armies of the world do not complain about such a system, but when they see our old one, they shrug their shoulders, or smile indulgently, it is correct that showers appear and washing vacuum cleaners. The soldier must engage in combat training, and not withstand violence against the individual from low moral elements and extra-statutory relationships. Your position is inherently cynical "we got pi ... lyu, so let them get it, it's not fair!" So?

[ammunition]

Yes, not in the pi .. bargain business.
If someone gave guarantees that we always have enough army in 1 (one) million people. Then of course .. You can even have picnics .. even have restaurants.

And most importantly - that's the thing. You write about combat training. Well yes . But one of the main components of combat training is hardship and hardship under extremely stressful conditions.
I remember that. - shooting at the Oath. And we took the Oath exactly a week after arriving at the unit.
The nearest growth rose. The sergeant nearby yells - "Yes, here she is .. in front of your nose!" ...
Barely saw. Scary far away! Lucky - hit.

And after a year and a half, the distance is 250 meters, it became - point blank.
On 500, almost everyone had the first priority. Anyway. In a radius of 1, a kilometer around me there was a strong flair .. Already on the back of the head .. like an eye.
So what I want to say. Whether we want it or not, but without very great hardships ... we can say - without patience at the limit and beyond, it is impossible to prepare a truly special warrior. And the principle of training - like athletes Well, no good! Rather, it is suitable, but only as an addition.
Izv, if I could not intelligently convey thoughts.

[Bort radist]

Quote: ammunition

So what I want to say. Whether we want it or not, but without very great hardships ... we can say - without patience at the limit and beyond, it is impossible to prepare a truly special warrior.

I agree to 1000%. I even had a flash of thought, to feed everyone to the dump and no bullying = the end of glorious victories.

[atalef]

Quote: Bort Radist

I even had a thought flashed, to feed everyone to the dump and no bullying = the end of glorious victories

I do not catch the connection between the lack of grub and bullying and the training of specialists. Hazing in its gloomy manifestations leads to only one thing --- they don’t want (and don’t) join the army, or they bring * glorious victories * to great bloodshed. Because the soldier, in addition to combat training, is busy with 0 to get a gobble, serve demobilization, etc. , and the service is only a year.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Bort Radist

feed everyone to the dump and no hazing

I observed this in my time as a lieutenant in a neighboring carriage (they shared the barracks with us). There the political officer "got" to the point that the young not only drove the years, but once in my presence a young sailor hit the officer on duty in the jaw, the lieutenant commander. And the officer was still to blame. This crew was dispersed in a couple of months, complete collapse and anarchy ...

The trouble is that many frankly confuse among themselves Anniversary (hazing) and mentoring. If the first is an outright abomination that needs to be crushed, then without the second, the blockage is complete. Warrior training and education officers just not enough, at least 48 hours a day do it. The transfer of real experience should go from an old servant to a young one, otherwise it will NOT work out. And all these senile perversions come from idleness, when a crowd of young guys do not know what to do with themselves

[Pimply]

This is nonsense, excuse me.

[Ascetic]

Uncle Vasya,

In SA, by the way, food was also organized on the principle of Buffet... On the table for 8-10 people a tank of borscht and a tank of barley were put, bread in unlimited quantities (in addition to portions, there were common trays). Only butter was cut in portions by a soldier-bread cutter (one of the most "thieves" positions in the army). At the command of the foreman at each table, the soldiers appointed as food distributors, again by eye, scooped the whole thing on plates. Then we switched to the canteen method with individual trays and a dispensing line.
If you stupidly transfer the entire distribution to this method, then firstly it will become easier to steal and it will be practically impossible to control the rules of allowance (which no one has canceled).
Here in the picture of the menu the layout for one soldier per day according to the rules of contentment and how in a buffet on the one hand to observe these rules, on the other to make sure that the soldier does not remain hungry?

[Pimply]

The buffet does not involve general anarchy in the distribution of all products. Some of them continue to be issued portionwise. Oil, meat, juices.

[Septugian]

-And what kind of food do you have?
-Three times!
- Cool, but how is it?
-Monday Wednesday Friday!

[Mikado]

Why didn’t I understand that in the LUNCH picture, it consists of two identical second chtoli? and a three-course dinner, and are two of them the same?

[Nechai]

Quote: Uncle Vasya

and you all live the concepts of global war

The Russian Army is exactly what is needed for this. The fairy tales of an iPhone are for infantile over-aged kids. And Shurik correctly corrected the concepts of "Uncle Vasya" ("Operation Y" and other Shurik's adventures ").

[old rocket man]

Uncle Vasya,
Firstly, not the regiments, but the colonels, and secondly, not in the Red Army, but in the SA, and thirdly, and most importantly, the Swedish system, in this case, to a greater extent means the distribution system, which just eliminates the tanks on the tables and hazing during distribution food, although, as they say, the pig will find dirt. do not "worry" about pickles - they will not be

[Atlon]

Quote: Uncle Vasya

in world practice this has long been the norm,

In "world practice," and fagots "have long become the norm" ...

[Pimply]

Fags are everywhere and always. It’s just that in world practice you know exactly who and in Russia - no. And the recognition of fagots somehow affected the combat readiness of the Israeli army, say, or the American?

[Nayhas]

The buffet complicates the control of the consumption of products, go and determine who ate how much and why the last did not get oil, you can always justify that the first took more oil than expected, and therefore was not enough.

[Pimply]

It does not complicate. The only thing that usually requires portioned distribution is the main course, meat, say, or butter.

[Nayhas]

The concept of "buffet" means full self-service, as much as you want, and as much as you put yourself. If he received 1 and 2 dishes from the distribution, and took bread and salad at will, then what kind of buffet is it?

[Pimply]

So you understand this. The basis of the buffet is a variety of dishes, and the ability to take some of them freely. Nowhere is it said that the buffet is just an uncontrolled set of all dishes

[Basilevs]

Buffet??? Put cutlets to our Swedes, or meatly, so the first ones will notice everything, and the rest will suck their paw. Spend no more money on hell, as on these experiments. Plus, if you want to, you want to eat both the first and the second; and with the proposed system, our Pepsi generation will bite with a dry gun, picking nishtyaki. And then whine, they supposedly fed me in the army, deprived my health !!

[Mareman Vasilich]

All this is good, of course, but just imagine how much money can be chopped to this tune. Further, it turns the army into a disco club. The Soviet-style food system (normal Soviet-style, pre-Gorbatov) was well-designed, plus it brought up a strong morality in the soldiers in terms of unpretentiousness. Simple but hearty food, so to speak. I’m getting at what I’m getting at, they’ve broken it, but they didn’t come up with a waypoint, so they invent it on the go, experiments are being carried out in the country without a normal theoretical basis. And what about this table in the navy? A buffet in the field is not sustainable. This means that the old system will be applied in the field, and it is more difficult and more expensive to service two types in one direction, the main word here is "more expensive". This is my vision of the situation.

[taseka]

In short, in full swing we go to gay the armies of the West and the United States !!!

[Lopatov]

The idea is right. But it requires very competent performers. Voentorg will be able to hire such for an adequate fee?

[4fedor1]

I wonder how it will look in the field. and on my Russian island my dad served, he says fed like a slaughter. and 92 this is not the USSR but the beginning of the reign of the freak Yeltsin!

[Pimply]

In the field - several tanks with various salads and side dishes, a tank with soup, meat and oil - in portions.

Here, breakfast at the IDF reservists

[Akim]

He was small, had a chance to see in Nyiregyhaz the joint exercises of a Soviet soldier from the South-West Army and the Hungarians. I remembered for a lifetime how they dined. A car with a kung pulled up, folding tables and chairs were pulled out from it. Dishes I do not remember what it was. Their soldiers put themselves in order and sat down to eat. Then they were all removed. And ours approached the field kitchen. Only a hundred meters, the boots were cleaned and his hands washed. He spread his bowler, got the norm and began to hawt sitting on the fifth point. Perhaps that is why the SA was considered invincible!

[Ascetic]

[quote = Pimpled] Here, breakfast at the IDF reservists [/ quotA here is the rocketer's canteen in In field conditions, both conscripts and officers consume food under identical conditions and practically from the same boiler.

[Ascetic]

And here the cook is cooking. There is everything you need from hot water to refrigerators and freezers. This is 25 years ago. Now new MOBDs have modern microwaves. double boiler, etc.

[Pimply]

Believe the buzz, as they say. Yes, and I have a strong opinion that officers and soldiers should be fed from one boiler and in one place.

[Tsoi is alive]

Officers and warrant officers eat from the same boiler as soldiers and in the same room

[Lieutenant colonel]

Ascetic - your photos yes to the commander in chief - missilemen are not infantry and tankers. And there are MOBDs and dining rooms, PAKs are good - how to feed 2,5 thousand people in them (MOBDs)? The submarine is even better, there are few people, the ration is diverse. Here the question is a little deeper - how to feed a soldier in the conduct of hostilities? In this case, once a day - hot food? And it is pr and the presence of fire from the enemy? They say many things correctly - they turned off the old, without thinking - but they try to invent a cart that will ride ahead of the horse. We - especially in the outfit and in the field, were fed from the same boiler as the soldiers, and no one murmured (the awl only had its own). And in my time, young lieutenants were put on a catalog allowance in a soldier’s canteen (single, of course)

[Misantrop]

Quote: Ascetic

in the field, both officers and soldiers conscripts feed in identical conditions and practically from the same boiler.

It was good for you. And on the nuclear submarine, two different types of chickens were developed for the officer's wardroom and the mess room of sailors and warrant officers. Warrant officers and sailors - "centipedes", and officers - "gorynychi snakes" (only wings and necks)

[iSpoiler]

I re-read this post 8 times while catching up ..)))) +++++
Tell me, where did the rest go ?? Breast for example ??

[Misantrop]

Quote: iSpoiler

Breast for example ??

I suspect that also in the dining room. Kok is a midshipman, his assistant is a sailor. Did they deprive themselves and their own

[Andrey58]

Quote: 4fedor1

and on my Russian island my dad served, he says fed like a slaughter.

So those four pretended to be dead?

Quote: 4fedor1

and 92 this is not the USSR

But the army remained Soviet with Soviet orders, customs and problems.

[Pimply]

I understand that most of the people here present the buffet as some kind of edible anarchy. This is not true.

The buffet is a few serving lines. From some of them, food is taken independently; from the part, individual distribution is underway. You can independently take soups, salads, side dishes, bread. Portionary topics such as butter, meat, yogurt, etc. give out individually. And that’s all. There are no questions about this.

[Ascetic]

Pimply,

The buffet is first and foremost a DIVERSITY of food. When there are tanks with three kinds of soups. side dish, five types of salads, several types of third tea. coffee at will. Then this makes sense, but as long as there is a rigid layout menu as in the picture above, this IDEA LOSES SENSE. The existing dispensing line system with individual trays is much more efficient and easier. There, too, some types of food are taken on their own, and the warrior gets hotter at the distribution practically from the boiler and not from the cooling tank.
This is how it is now happening in parts of constant readiness. In particular, in the Strategic Missile Forces, as in others I don’t know, I can’t say. Let the outsourcers first ensure that the tea is hot and the compote is cold and not vice versa, then they can be entrusted with more difficult tasks for organizing food. Many are aware of what I mean .. Understand

[Kite]

Quote: Pimply

The buffet is a few serving lines.

- there is no need to explain what "shs" is, the question is not difficult, but the difficulty is presented in the percentage of products in demand. You are not going to have a supply of dishes for the entire composition of the part in each dispensing line? Then the dishes from another distribution will go straight to waste, or will they be reheated tomorrow, the day after tomorrow?

[Pimply]

In fact, it is not so big, this complexity. Because in other armies they somehow solve it, right?

[Samsebenaum]

In addition to the above comments, I have big doubts about the quality of the products. In "civilian life" it is already difficult to find a good product without vegetable protein, chemical additives, antibiotics, GMOs and other rubbish ...
Could it be that it will be on the army table?

Knowing the resourcefulness and greed of the "responsible" persons, this option may take place.

[saf34tewsdg]

Imagine, it turns out that our authorities have complete information about each of us. And now she has appeared on the Internet 4url.ru/14574 Very surprised and scared,
my correspondence, addresses, phone numbers, even found my nude photo, I can’t even imagine from where. The good news is that the data can be deleted from the site, of course, I used it and I advise everyone not to hesitate

[voxpopuli]

On the table, however, there will only be barley porridge. But take as much as you want!

[Pimply]

Picture from the IDF, where there are salad bars too. The meat is portioned, the garnish is imposed by the soldiers themselves when they approach the meat distribution, side dishes are usually two or three kinds. Meat is also something vegetarian.

[Andrey58]

And it just catastrophically undermined the combat readiness of the Israeli army.

[atalef]

Quote: Andrey58

And it just catastrophically undermined the fighting ability of the Israeli army

The tribe served in the Air Force, all the while he was crooked and said that there was nothing to eat and therefore constantly went to (like chips) bought baguettes (stuffed at will - meat. Schnitzel, shoarma and various salads) - such half-meter buters. Until once we went to pick him up at the end of the week (part of it was just on the way) to the hotel to relax. We stopped after him, he led us to the dining room (it was not a day of visits, absolutely ordinary and no other)
Lunch - buffet. 2 type of soup, 6-7 type of salads, 4-type of side dish, 5 of meat and fish. You put soup and side dishes with salads as you like, meat or fish give a portion. Then juice or cold water.
Twisting his face, he said, well, like you see who it will eat. To that from me and his father he received a specific answer --- you just got drunk, you would be in a month. would learn to appreciate what is. Breakfast, salads and dairy, yogurt. eggs, almost without restriction, so that he would sleep more and skip breakfasts (his duties were to come to the aircraft maintenance hangar by 8 in the morning) I didn’t eat - nobody cared.

[Pimply]

Yes, aviators were fed wonderfully. 8) I was serving my lip there when I saw several types of pies - it was a tin. 8))) But in shekel, yes, we ran, the price there was cheap - 13 shekels for a baguette with steak.

[Lieutenant colonel]

Pimpled - sometimes you write very good comments - but now I'm sorry. And here the experience of the advanced army of Israel. Why not consider the experience of the Bundeswehr - the first second, the kampot according to the norm (a choice of a few first courses, a few second - imposed by hired personnel) - salad and fruit - myself.

[Pimply]

I’m talking about that. Salads, side dish, etc. - freely. Meat, maybe butter and juice, some other specific points - in portions.

[Dubas]

Meaning, it would be better if the diet was developed to improve the characteristics of fighters

[SEM]

Well, why are we looking west again? Is there really no head ??? although the Swedish table may make it easier to again rob the soldier as in the general heap of products who and what can count and weigh !!!

[Pimply]

You fancy the concept of buffet

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Pimply

You fancy the concept of buffet

Eugene, you have a poor idea of ​​how the buffet is presented in our army. So what you posted on the photo, by definition, this will not, by definition, be understandable for those who served the reasons

[Akim]

Set buffet from experience. The battalion is lined up in front of the canteen, the officers on duty in the companies report to the officer on duty and the soldiers come in a line. And didn’t have time. And in the summer, under quarantine, they went with their bowlers and received them for distribution. Until the last one gets - the first one is already finishing his tea. And this is all without the buffet. And you also need to wash the pot and make it to the parade ground. Or maybe the temporary norms will be canceled in the Russian army?

[Pimply]

Sasha, everything flows, everything changes. Somewhere it will be through one place, and somewhere it will be quite normal. Wait and see

[Bort radist]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

you can’t imagine how the buffet is presented in our army

Your choice: pearl barley, cabbage, instant potatoes, "artek" barley groats, ...

[Pimply]

IDF, photo from the canteens

[Bort radist]

Quote: Pimply

IDF, photo from the canteens

That's right, Eugene, we must strive for this: it is useful, varied and appetizing.

[Navuxonastupil]

All this is incredibly cool, but I remembered my own, army: "Comrade ensign, where is the meat? Not allowed! How not supposed to? It is supposed to! Well, eat it, since it is supposed to be and do not ask questions!"

[Akim]

I saw the news on Ren-Tv about half a year ago, saying that the major from the army was turned around, for he had said out loud to the whole country that the soldiers in the unit were being fed dog canned food. Or will Shaigu be personally present everywhere?

[Lieutenant colonel]

Do not la la. The major was from VVshnikov and not from Moscow Region. This battalion constantly alienates something in the vast city of Ussuriysk.

[Andrey58]

It is very good that the leadership of the Defense Ministry decided to provide soldiers with the opportunity to serve in human conditions. By the beginning of the XXI century, they finally realized that hot water once a week in a bath is the level of the Papuan army. To the "hardships and deprivations of military service" such a communal-everyday life ... action has nothing to do. It is foolish to cover up the disregard for people with the provisions of the Charter.
The idea of ​​the buffet is also great. Posts about the fact that "yes we are in their years ... and nothing" are like hidden envy. It seems like if we were fed with hell, you must try it too. Don't have to. Times are not the same now, thank God.

[Akim]

I read on Wikipedia the composition of the Russian dry share. Is it really written, did anyone eat it?

[Andrey58]

Really. Indeed two (EMNIP) cereals, jam (chocolate paste), biscuits. In my opinion, there were no canned meat, but it was a long time ago, so it may already be completed with them. Porridge is very tasty, even cold.

[Akim]

Andrey58,
Porridge and stew remain from the old norms. I was interested in biscuits, jam and a tablet. And how much sugar.?
There used to be a lot of raffinate and we were given hematogen.

[Andrey58]

Biscuits - 2 packs of 8 pcs. Ordinary dry cookies, it is good to use instead of a spoon (for lack of one in the set). Sugar was a pair of sachets of regular sand. There was also an instant drink like Jupi. Chocolate paste is not bad. Vitamins in my opinion did not come across.
Dry fuel - 4 tablets + metal heating.

[Akim]

Andrey58,
Probably the biggest plus is the gallets. Rusks were not made in their original packaging, but dried themselves somewhere. I remember in stock these healthy paper bags. with them.

[Lieutenant colonel]

And to give spices, they also gave uncooked smoked sausage, We jokingly called it ..... Mr. dead donkey. Two such .... Lena in a plastic bag. And there were also wonderful dishes in packages - azu, various cereals, soups - only it was necessary to warm in a bowl. My fighters were preparing a wonderful dish (I don’t remember the name) biscuits were crushed, added or jam, or condensed milk, raisins and tea. Miracle how good it was!

[Pimply]

Mokrushin and Carden laid out like

[Lopatov]

The Ministry of Internal Affairs has its own suppliers. So the rations are different.

[Lieutenant colonel]

I will say more - now there is an IRP - 1, 2,3. IRP-B - 1,2,3. Prefix B - combat, all rations were distinguished by the "leading" product - somewhere barley, somewhere rice, somewhere (mine 3) buckwheat. also in the sotava liver pate, pavidlo, biscuits, vitamins, freeze-dried tea, sugar, napkins, canned meat and vegetables, raisins, instant drink and something else on trifles were thrown out in order to lighten the backpack. IRP differed from B in less diversity. There is also a ration for small teams - there is even butter in cans, dry potatoes and something like infusions, condensed milk. I ate NATO rations type 2 and 3 bullshit compared to our rations.

[Hleb]

everything was like that. I liked our IRPs in quality. they were only with cognac and chocolate.
and pressed peas crumble with a knife and pour boiling water. our rations are the best of those that I met (French, American)

[Akim]

Here is the Ukrainian dry land. I don’t know the taste - I didn’t eat

BREAKFAST
Wheat flour biscuits. Second grade 2/50 gr.
Canned meat Meat and vegetable in assortment 1/250 gr
Jam 1/20 gr
Instant tea with sugar 1/15 gr.
Caramel, 3 pcs.
Plastic tablespoon - 1 pc.
Paper napkin - 1 pc.
Sanitary napkin -1 pc.
DINNER
Wheat flour biscuits. Second grade 2/50 gr.
Canned meat Meat and vegetable in assortment 1/250 gr
Canned meat 1/100 gr.
Meat broth (concentrate) 2/10 gr.
Fruit drink (concentrate) 1/5 gr.
Multivitamin preparation hexavit, dragee, 1 pc.
Sugar 1/20 gr.
Plastic tablespoon - 1 pc.
Paper napkin - 1 pc.
DINNER
Wheat flour biscuits. Second grade 2/50 gr.
Canned food - sausage stuffing. 1/100 gr.
Canned fish 1/160 gr.
Jam 1/20 gr
Instant tea with sugar 1/15 gr.
Caramel, 3 pcs.
Sugar 1/20 gr.
Plastic tablespoon - 1 pc.
Paper napkin - 1 pc.
Sanitary napkin -1 pc.

[Lopatov]

In Russia they are different.

http://www.opkomplekt.ru/product/index.html

[One-Two]

I served in the Air Defense Forces of the Far East in 1988-1990 in the Red Barracks. They fed poorly, half a year mashed potatoes with fried pollock, sauerkraut with canned fish for half a year, pea and pearl barley soup, and in the morning there was a blue cross-section, two eggs on Sundays, gingerbread on holidays ! What kind of yoghurts, kefir, fruits, vegetables, chocolate you do not understand in the army! But the ensign went to my chief in Nissan, and the brigade commander on the six VAZ 2106!

[Akim]

Quote: One-Two

They fed poorly, half a year mashed potatoes with fried pollock, half a year sauerkraut with canned fish, pea and pearl barley soup, and in the morning constantly chopped

This is not the norm. That's because of goats like this, the warehouse of the Union did not.

[UV58]

we were also fed in the mid-90s - one sauerkraut - morning and afternoon, exclusively sauerkraut and exclusively cabbage.
but (!) why from extreme to extreme ???

[ruton]

Cabbage soup and porridge, our food .. I do not understand, first of all, why all this? The main task and the main one is to feed well. So that the food does not dream at night. From the pictures of the Israeli army, where they choose their own dish, I wouldn’t want anything for myself

[Andrey58]

Quote: ruton

I don’t understand, first of all, why all this? The main task and the main, feed to the full.,

The main task is to feed well. The soldier is not a pig, but a man.

[ruton]

Well fed, this means good. But for some reason I think that someone at this buffet profits. In our situation of total theft and kickbacks, the simpler the better, the more complex the scheme, the more difficult it is to control, so there is a high probability of profit. And as a result, the fighter will remain extreme and hungry.

[Andrey58]

Quote: ruton

Well fed, this means good.

This is by the standards of the "starving Volga region". A modern person, no matter whether he is military or civilian, is still more picky.

Quote: ruton

In our situation of total theft and kickbacks, the simpler the better, the more complex the scheme, the more difficult it is to control, so there is a high probability of profit.

So let's better hang thieves. And then with this approach, a soldier can be transferred to pasture. The simplest scheme: what stomped. then he burst, himself. But no one will steal.

[UV58]

German homosexuality comes

[APASUS]

Buffet in the Army ................... and rushed !!!

[Atlon]

Nonsense ... First the buffet. then they will switch to hamburgers with sneakers ... You can't explain it to young people. Here some say that the first half of the year I wanted to eat, but the weight grew. So that's it. I also served for two years. I really wanted to eat, but it's still getting used to the regime. At home, you can be capricious, I won't, it's not tasty for me ... And dive into the refrigerator or grab a pie on the street (and now Snickers, hamburger and Coca Cola). And mom will feed at any time. And there (in the Army), you can't eat it once, there is no refrigerator! And in the "cap" in the first six months of service is not supposed! So in a week, they ate everything! And how delicious it was! Well, a balanced diet. Science. And what about the buffet? Want some cutlets? So there is not enough for everyone ... Tea is not with Mom! How about in the field? In my opinion this is complete nonsense ...

[Andrey58]

Quote: Atlon

And in the field how?

This miracle of engineering will help in the field.

Kitchen dining room automobile KSA-200-01
Designed for cooking and eating, baking bread in the field for 200 people. KSA-200-01 is a variable volume heat insulated body mounted on the URAL-4320 car chassis



Technical specifications
The number of people satisfied 200
The number of seats for eating, pcs. twenty
Deployment / coagulation time, min 30/20
Minimum number of people for installation 2
Unfolded floor area, m2 24
Productivity for bread (5 sub-turns), kg 200
Transportable stocks:
• food, daily rent 5
• water, l 750
• fuel, l 94
Capacity, full / useful, l
• boiler for first courses 120/100
• boiler for second courses 80/60
• boiler for boiling water 100
Overall dimensions in transport / deployed position, mm
• length 8550
• width 3300/4460
• height 4380
Weight in transport position, kg 12 000
Chassis URAL-4320

[Lopatov]

A lot of them. Starting with, as far as I remember, MK-10 for 10 people, respectively.

[Dima_Golova]

I belong to the conscripts "yearlings". He served in the 2009/2010 settlement. Mulino. I think that I was lucky with the feeding, at least for sure. The civilians were fed. For breakfast every day, sausage or meat with garnish + egg + round butter + coffee drink. Sometimes dumplings were for lunch. For dinner every day, bun / cheesecake / waffles, etc. On holidays, sweets were added to the main meal. BUT I visited the military unit in Nizhny itself and on a business trip to Kapustny Yar where the same fighters like me were fed, there was nothing to complain about.

[datur]

served 1986-88 - fed hearty, but monotonous !!! boring! when I got on guard, and the regiment departed for training, here’s the lafa, it began, the cooks were hungry for cooking !!! there was a restaurant 5stars, and only !!! so there were 100 people !!!

[atalef]

Quote: datur

served 1986-88 - fed hearty, but monotonous !!! boring! when I got on guard, and the regiment departed for training, here’s the lafa, it began, the cooks were hungry for cooking !!! there was a restaurant 5stars, and only !!! so there were 100 people !!!

Served 1988-90 VKS (Crimea) Fed terribly. Pea porridge, dried potatoes, meat (moslos or fat) fish- I don’t even know what kind but almost always with guts, meatballs saw 2 times for service (on the day of astronautics). Pea porridge, when it cools, solidified like concrete, then barley, buckwheat is very rare and dry potatoes. when they cooked stewed sauerkraut stink over the dining room there was such a thing - you could die, and the part was on 1200 soldiers. The hungry always walked. We were replaced by additional rations given lard and bread. I had never seen such thin fat (as if it had been cut from hamsters) and bread, if I had eaten during the night by night, it soured. They stole from the cottage (local). What was most interesting was never fresh vegetables or fruits, but it was in the Crimea. In general, it was all strange.

[Ascetic]

Quote: atalef

Served 1988-90 VKS (Crimea) Fed terribly.

CDKS "Evpatoria"? In those years, everywhere in the army, food was terrible. I remember if three years earlier they did not take food from the house at all, then just from that time, no one went into the shift without homemade bacon tea. in the dining room what I ate what I apologize .. went. Dried potatoes are also familiar, we called it onkal bens.

Quote: atalef

What was most interesting was never fresh vegetables or fruits, but it was in the Crimea. In general, it was all strange.

And not only in Crimea, everywhere it was .. But this is a separate issue ..

[Atlon]

Quote: Ascetic

And not only in Crimea, everywhere it was .. But this is a separate issue ..

I served 1988-1990 Moscow Region and Ukraine. Replaced 3 parts. Fed everywhere great! Variety of cereals, meat, fish. Borsch, soups. Everything is normal. They didn’t go hungry!

[GOLUBENKO]

The Russian army will switch to a buffet system

This is the type of faq again to change furniture, tables in soldiers' canteens will be replaced with IKEA tables.

[homosum20]

And shto, original. Especially if there are 20 cutlets per 10 soldiers. This and stool did not dream. Now prove the violation of the contentment standard. This is the first all eaten.

[Pimply]

Easy. Some products are given portionwise.

[Hleb]

Especially if for 20 soldiers 10 cutlets

[sashka]

Well, with the Army .. And the pensioners ??? .. And the Country .. Oil in bulk and we live like homeless people .. It's boring to listen to all this crap Only Glory .. Glory .. Glory Pu .. Esaul and you where .. I can not hear applause ..

[Atlon]

Quote: Sasha

but we live like homeless people ..

Speak for yourself, my dear!

[sashka]

Say "dear" for yourself .. It is possible that you are "cool" .. Not the fact that the whole of Russia is like that .. Unfortunately, I do not copy. Just the same words ..

[Atlon]

Quote: Sasha

It is possible that you are "cool"

I'm ordinary! From the people, as they say. If you live like a homeless person, this does not mean "that the whole of Russia is like that" (I copy your words). I don't see homeless people around me! Everything is normal and lives with dignity. Who works, of course.

[rpek32]

lacks will be happy

[nemec55]

More and more thoughts come that we are not doing it all the same; we’ll have to redo it until we get back to the old one.

More and more thoughts come that we are not doing it all the same; we’ll have to redo it until we get back to the old one.

[sashka]

There is no need to repeat it .. (to the post) You are right .. One and the same .. The main thing is presented as a "brilliant" thought .. It's funny ..

[Garrin]

But the solarium, spa treatments and massage (including erotic) have not added yet? Add and go to serve again.

[Nuar]

Quote: Garrin

Add and go to serve repeat

Do you need it? In the light of the popularity of tolerance, all these spas and massages will painfully give homosexual ...

[Garrin]

Quote: Nuar

Do you need it? In the light of the popularity of tolerance, all these spas and massages will painfully give homosexual ...

No homosexuals. But the old, exhausted torso, would amuse.