Footage of a Russian T-72 tank with new anti-drone protection from a special operation zone is shown

The use of special structures that protect Tanks and armored vehicles from impacts drones-kamikaze has become a real trend in special military operations. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are increasingly using tanks and armored vehicles equipped with appropriate anti-drone protection, which military personnel have nicknamed among themselves “barbecues.”

War correspondents showed footage of a Russian T-72 tank with new anti-drone protection from a special operation zone. They were reportedly filmed near the village of Krasnogorovka on the Maryinsky sector of the front. The Russian tank, as we see in the published footage, is lined with metal shields and from a distance it hardly resembles a tank itself, but looks like some kind of incomprehensible machine.

Such protection should protect the tank from impacts drones-kamikaze from above, since it was the tank turret that was one of the most vulnerable places for drone attacks.

In addition, the tank is covered with metal sheets on the sides of the hull, which allows it to protect itself from both kamikaze drone strikes and enemy shells. artillery.

It should be noted that tanks are now being equipped with anti-drone protection at defense enterprises on an industrial scale. But in many units directly fighting at the front, this issue is resolved on their own. Craftsmen from among the military personnel themselves weld protective structures and sheathe armored vehicles with metal sheets.

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[9PA]

These are some kind of monsters, maybe the very doctrine of using tanks can be reconsidered. Maneuver, dynamics, cover

[Netl]

Quote: 9PA

review the doctrine of the use of tanks

So, revised, in fact.
Basically - work from closed positions.

And if, by chance, you manage to get direct fire, then also from the maximum possible distance.
Such a thing as breaking into enemy positions and, twisting the turret and firing in all directions, now seems like science fiction, unscientific.

[Trapp1st]

to break into enemy positions and, turning the turret, fire in all directions - now seems like science fiction, unscientific.

Nevertheless, such suicidal tactics are used, there is no other, a technological breakthrough is needed, but it will not happen. So the fighters can only defend the ersatz.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Do I understand correctly that under such a roof all the tank’s own active protection systems cease to function? Is this also protection from ATGMs and all sorts of Javellins, or is the drone now worse than them? Although what difference did it make if there was a mesh, now it’s sheet metal... you can’t shoot anything in the opposite direction through the mesh either.
So it will soon come to protecting planes/helicopters

[Netl]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

You won’t be able to shoot anything coming through the mesh either.

What you are writing about is KAZ. Theoretically, it can shoot down all of the above with shrapnel. Somewhere at the training grounds they are showing the work of KAZ.

But in practice, our tanks do not have KAZ. And considering that even the Armata with the current best KAZ does not live up to expectations, there will be no normal KAZ on our tanks in the foreseeable future.
Therefore, the children will have to create similar collective farms to the best of their personal imagination and available resources.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Netl (Alex) thanks for the tip. Otherwise, I read a lot about all sorts of optics on board a modern tank and wondered what to do with them now.
But you can be horrified by its appearance, just as you were horrified by the appearance of the first tanks in the 1st World War.
But not all the riddles with this sample have found their answers yet. I see a white cap on the forehead of this Pepelats... it is not without reason that such a Tsak (bell for the nose) is installed on the Etsikh (box for prisoners). so it must have been the will of our Etsilop. In a word, Kyu...

[Netl]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

thanks for the tip. Otherwise I’ve read a lot about all sorts of optics on board a modern tank

There was a very specific quote about shooting towards someone. And this is clearly KAZ.

As for the terrifying view, now even jokes are no longer appropriate. The vulnerability of armored vehicles has increased sharply and no one perceives them as an indestructible monster anymore.

[hector]

Quote: Netl

As for the terrifying view, now even jokes are no longer appropriate. The vulnerability of armored vehicles has increased sharply and no one perceives them as an indestructible monster anymore.

Only here is an overview with such protection, an angle of 10 degrees along the heading and that’s it, with all that it implies.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

In Khokhlyatsky resources they write that 2/3 of the tanks destroyed were drones, and the drones could not cope with such protection, they write that artillery was used against this tank

[Gomunkul]

So, revised, in fact.
Basically - work from closed positions.

I’ll add to your answer: the tanks are being retrained as self-propelled guns. Therefore, the installation of such protection is allowed.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Gomunkul

So, revised, in fact.
Basically - work from closed positions.

I’ll add to your answer: the tanks are being retrained as self-propelled guns. Therefore, the installation of such protection is allowed.

Tell the crew of the Alyosha tank. otherwise, not knowing your concept, he unwound the column. point blank.

[Vitov]

What an insight? Recently in an article about the promising tank "Black Eagle" - features of the tank that are relevant today" I was given 28 minuses for the same statement. I will say one more seditious thing: in a modern army, kamikade drones are not needed in such quantities, this is a spare weapon and it should not be so numerous. It's just that in the SVO two armies are fighting that are backward in terms of modern tactics and capabilities... And it is not at all clear what experience can be gained from this mess... Someone sees new trends and analyzes the experience. There is no experience or new trends in the SVO and all this was known more than 30 years ago, and the level of combat operations in the SVO is still far from what is needed...

Vitov( Okko077) -18
28 March 2024 10: 41

“With developed modern anti-tank weapons and the availability of modern technical reconnaissance equipment, any tank will not reach the front line.
A promising multi-purpose tank is a technical device, a mixture of self-propelled guns and a tank, which most of the time fires from closed positions at external target designation with “smart” projectiles. Sometimes such a tank, when quickly equipped with armor and mounted container-type protection systems, can clear out individual pockets of resistance from an almost defeated enemy in the 3rd echelon of combat operations and block surrounded populated areas under enemy control. Such a tank should have a 152 mm gun and, in addition to the main one, be provided with external charging. In addition, it will have a transport compartment for soldiers or external equipment, including reconnaissance from UAVs.
Digest and learn the basics of modern warfare.

[Mairos]

You release any “not lagging behind” into a real battle, the “lagging” one will unwind it in one go. The “advanced” today only sell weapons, but don’t know how to fight.

[I'm mine]

It's just that in the SVO there are two armies that are backward in terms of modern tactics and capabilities...

. Recently, in an article about the promising tank "Black Eagle" - tank features that are still relevant today" I was given 28 minuses for the same statement.

And they will also instruct
We have seen “modern armies” with all sorts of “miracle weapons” and “miracle iron men” and “Captain Americas”, though only in American films. In the meantime, Amerz mercenaries are complaining that they are being treated poorly

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

Haven’t you seen it in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan? Or were they cartoons?

[shikin]

The TG noted in one comment that this is a tank with a faulty turret drive. They probably made such a shed to reveal firing points - reconnaissance in force.

[Nikolaevich I]

For moving in columns from point A to point B it will do just fine! And if you have to go on the attack, then the "shelter" can be left on the ground until later! But in general, it's time to think about chainmail capes with lifting brackets (manipulators)...

[U-58]

This is the same "Iron Kaput". It's immediately recognizable.

[Bianconeri]

Hmm... Doesn't he move the turret at all? Self-propelled guns at minimum wages...

[Nastia makarova]

he doesn’t turn, he doesn’t need to turn, the enemy is in front

[Good Evil]

On the one hand, the tank is well protected in this way from cumulative BP from the top and sides. This is definitely a plus.
But, on the other hand, the tank is already a weak-sighted vehicle, but here, like a horse in blinkers, the viewing angle is severely limited. And this is a huge minus.
Moreover, the angle of action of the gun is very limited.
Moreover, mobility/cross-country ability with such a barn on the hump will suffer greatly.
What will outweigh - only practical application will show.

[I'm mine]

Yes, she is ahead. I wouldn't be surprised if there's no crew there. One tractor driver. And the tank is damaged. I wouldn't be surprised either. But what is certain is that this is not a combat unit

[antiaircrafter]

Now he looks like a turtle.

[wlkw]

This is something from the series “I’m in the house!”

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: antiaircrafter

Now he looks like a turtle.

And as for me, it’s purely a harvester from Dune :))))))

[Argon]

Some kind of armored train. I don’t even know if such a pile-up is correct. How to inspect the situation around the tank? How to fight in a circle? Probably only used in the forward direction during an assault.

[9PA]

We need means of suppressing UAVs at the tank, infantry fighting vehicle, squad level

[Trapp1st]

We need means of suppressing UAVs at the tank, infantry fighting vehicle, squad level

A drone with variable frequency, especially a drone with AI, cannot be suppressed.

[Mairos]

There is broadband suppression. )) And a drone with AI itself will be expensive, it’s no longer a cheap Mavik.

[Trapp1st]

There is broadband suppression.

Only practice shows that they find their goal.

And a drone with AI will itself be expensive, it’s no longer a cheap Mavic.

Mavic is not cheap, usually FPV is cheaper, and signature recognition is more about software, once you write it and copy it.

[ohka]

The roof moves quietly, rustling like slate, slowly.

[Eugene 62]

This tank was written about on Lostarmour. In fact, such a design is not very convenient. The tank cannot rotate the turret. That is, this is a one-off, invented by craftsmen on the spot. The tank was damaged. It has problems with turning the turret. So the guys came up with such a design. It will not be possible to rotate the turret anyway. But this machine is reliably protected from attacks from above.

[Bianconeri]

Those. is it more difficult and time-consuming to drive the car to the rear and repair a critical component for this type of unit than to create and install it? Brings me sad thoughts...

[shikin]

What is seen in the video in TG is more like reconnaissance in force to detect firing points for their subsequent destruction. There were a lot of arrivals at this “barn”, and not a single one was critical, this tank did not stop or fire, maybe there was only one driver (and theoretically there might not have been one - remote control kits exist).

[BorzRio]

This is not a solution and everyone understands it perfectly well. FPV drones take out a huge amount of equipment, destroy and maim a lot of personnel. Frontline fighters and war correspondents are already sounding the alarm and losses are increasing. You can't outfit every soldier with a super-armored exoskeleton, and you can't turn every armored vehicle into a crawling fortress-battleship. We need compact and effective anti-drone electronic warfare systems, rapid-fire destruction systems like the APS. Columns must be accompanied by a powerful armored electronic warfare station. Otherwise, we will lose more armored vehicles than we can produce and drag from storage bases. Then what? Will we take T-34s off their pedestals?

[Puz Big]

On the one hand, this is, of course, already borscht, on the other hand, you want to live and won’t be so upset.

[bug120560]

That’s the trouble, it’s the guys at the front who are struggling, not the big guys in the Moscow Region. They don’t have drones flying around their offices and falling on their heads.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Puz Big

On the one hand, this is, of course, already borscht, on the other hand, you want to live and won’t be so upset.

In theory, we need new approaches to protecting armored vehicles from UAVs, maybe new KAZ developments or the creation of some kind of turret that will work against drones... but something needs to be done, because all the current solutions (visors), electronic warfare, etc. d. These are half measures and do not provide the proper level of protection.

It's a question of price and time.

[Mairos]

Automatic anti-drone turrets are already appearing - but there are few of them yet

[Amateur]

This is not a new defense, but the unscientific and technical creativity of someone’s “playful hands.” Converting a tank into a pitiful semblance of a WWII-era self-propelled gun is stupidity at best, and sabotage at worst.

[wlkw]

Well, I wouldn't be so critical. It is quite possible that in order to solve a very particular specific problem, they took a semi-serviceable tank (they wrote that it was damaged), built a “shed” for its entire head, and moved it forward as a ram.
It’s clear that such a hack has no future, but as a very special case, it’s quite a working option.

[jovanni]

It seems like all these homemade products are out of desperation. Nobody wants to be a target, but we need to win... Gentlemen, scientists, gunsmiths, - your word!...

[bug120560]

Gentlemen scientists and weapons manufacturers have already spoken, there are electronic warfare systems and means and methods of combat, but officials who are responsible for the order for the production of new models have not spoken and stubbornly do not speak. They are obviously waiting...

[AdAstra]

It’s somewhat reminiscent of the “Frankenstein” beginnings from the side that people made fun of...

[Nyrobsky]

Of course, there are questions, but on the other hand, if the men on the front line are doing this, then it’s what they need. Through trial and error, they will create an acceptable and optimal protection option.
If this design allows you to perform the assigned tasks and saves the vehicle and its crew, then so be it.

[Rvlad]

Technical schizophrenia from hopelessness. Well, our leaders, military, civilians... do not want to use even a little bit what is inside the skull. At all. Everyone rushed to make money, on everything... And the people under bullets are forced to pile "basins" on tanks... "This is some kind of disgrace" - Shvonder. In 2016, they proposed to the military how to treat the "newfangled" problem: a passive station, the probability of hitting any target is 0,97, an agreement was reached with the plant, tests were carried out: at a range of 5 km, ANY air object with a model of 0.03 m is tracked and accompanied, more than 1 tracking channels, the task of selecting a target in a group is solved, everything is visible against the background of the forest, all-aspect shooting... The answer from the air defense forces: "we don't need this and we don't understand how it works." All doctors of technical sciences in uniform. The company was closed. Now there are high-rises there... There is no one to ask, and no one needs it. Basins on tanks and people are dying by the dozens... when will we become smarter?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: RVlad

In 2016, they suggested to the military how to treat the “newfangled” problem... The answer from the military air defense: “we don’t fucking need this, but we don’t understand how it works.”

[Rvlad]

It would be funny if it weren't so sad. Two years ago, everyone “jammed” the unmanned system, the cry was heard throughout Ivanovo: we..., now..., just about..., Rudnevo and Rubinstein will save us, now everything will be, we’ll lift helicopters into the stratosphere..., Orions are our everything, Lancets will hit everything and the enemy will run... now there is silence around - in reality nothing really works, miracles haven’t happened, Belgorod is being beaten, Bryansk is being beaten... well, at least there will be basins now, first on tanks, then on UAZs, then on heads... that’s how we live

[El Chuvachino]

Is it really impossible to develop KAZ against drones based on existing ones and finally put them into use?

[your1970]

Don’t you know that existing KAZs are dangerous for HIS infantry?
And without infantry cover, a tank wouldn’t be much of a survivor either?

[Bogalex]

Yes, this point must be taken into account when organizing interaction.
However, KAZs are dangerous for their infantry within a very certain distance. And this distance is much less than the distance at which the infantry covering the tank is sufficient to complete the task.

[El Chuvachino]

There are a lot of videos online showing how tanks operate on their own without cover.

[your1970]

There are a lot of videos online showing how tanks operate on their own without cover..- like a bunch of videos where tanks burn out without infantry cover

[El Chuvachino]

Make a proposal to the General Staff to cover the tanks with infantry. Only this will not save both of them from being defeated by drones.

[your1970]

Make a proposal to the General Staff to cover the tanks with infantry. you apparently didn’t serve in the army and didn’t read the Charter - it’s already there 80 years as it is written...

[El Chuvachino]

So I didn’t read the Charter and that’s why our tanks drive without support?

[Kusja]

It seems to me that rather than inventing more complex and sophisticated designs for armor, it is better to intensively produce drone pilots in huge numbers. Minimal risk to personnel, equipment and the treasury.

[t7310]

Yeah, if they are covered by tanks, infantry and everything else, well, someone also needs to move forward - again tanks are infantry, just like with aircraft carriers - every aircraft carrier needs an aug, but there is an opinion that an aircraft carrier is capable of protecting itself. This entire squadron protects a submarine with nuclear missiles on board entering the Aug

[digger]

History moves like a spring. Coils forward and backward. And today we have again rolled down to the airplanes of the First World War, only unmanned... and tanks... will turn into the first German tanks in the same war.

[Bad_gr]

In my opinion, such a defense is utter stupidity. The drone can still fly in front and behind. But they deprived themselves of visibility, which the tank doesn’t have very much anyway. The gun can only be used in a narrow sector.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

It will fly into the air, but it will fly into the forehead from the front, and the armor there is strong

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov

It will fly into the air, but it will fly into the forehead from the front, and the armor there is strong

Will beat the optics

[VLAD-96]

The future belongs to unmanned tanks! (perhaps they will be of a different shape, of a different type...)
The main thing is that the crew should not be sacrificed; there should be unmanned armored vehicles on the front line. The most valuable thing is trained and experienced people at the front and keep them alive! And iron - it can be made anew.
It’s just that no matter how you armor a tank, sooner or later it will be destroyed by various ammunition and the crew will most likely suffer!

[Teledroid]

Maybe not even tanks, but small unmanned tanks without armor, and without a cannon either, rather with a machine gun/grenade launcher. In short, it is much cheaper and more efficient to rivet a hundred vehicles the size of a lawn mower, or even less, some of the flock of which can be guaranteed to reach the enemy trenches, even if some are shot and blown up by mines. Moreover, you don’t need to worry too much about the quality of the cart. This is a consumable. It is possible to make similar equipment using batteries so that it can come and visit silently at night and without irritating the enemy’s thermal imagers.

[your1970]

"Maybe not even tanks, but unmanned tanks of small size and without armor, and without a gun either, rather with a machine gun/grenade launcher"- we already tried it 90 years ago.
The wedges were called...
And they even did it with radio control...
But it didn’t work for any of the countries that took part in WWII

[Teledroid]

Automation and communications at that time were at a slightly different level. And then there were not so many different ways to destroy tanks...

[your1970]

Much more diverse - if tanks fought their way through machine guns/rifles....
The distance has increased significantly - yes...
Automation/electronics improved all the time (20-21st century) - but no one in the world began to make remotely controlled tanks

[Teledroid]

And you don't need to do them. A large and expensive tank is an excellent target no matter how it is driven. I meant “tanks” that a person, in principle, cannot fit into, even without armor. Instead of one tank, it’s better to have a hundred of these radio-controlled lawn mowers:
https://aliclick.shop/r/c/1s8x4tk310cnwkvx?erid=2SDnjeToQuE - и запускать их стаями. Даже если половина будет уничтожена, то вторая половина доедет до вражеского окопа. Управлять ими можно и по радио, и по проводу, а можно и кой-какой ИИ сделать (не сложнее чем в нынешних камерафонах). Если на батарейках сделать то тепловой след будет минимальным, и можно их ночью потихоньку продвигать. А если днём то тут надежда на скорость конечно.

[wlkw]

It is quite obvious that things are moving towards a revision of the concept of armoring tanks and the tactics of their use.
Given the fact that:
1. Direct tank battles are very rare.
2. Tanks are used as regular self-propelled guns or assault self-propelled guns.

then the thought arises that there is a need for self-propelled guns that have less armor than a tank (they don’t hold BOPS, although, as I understand it, modern tanks don’t hold the latest versions of UBOPS, so it’s not a big loss), but are not able to break through with modern shells from infantry fighting vehicles of foreign countries. They also hit pretty hard there, but they are inferior to tank ammunition, of course.
The freed mass of armor can be used to protect against new weapons - drones.
If earlier the main direction of protection was strengthening the frontal part, now “it’s all about the roof.”
Who has a “strong roof” (jargon, as in the 90s ), he is the one who banks.

(P.S. private opinion of an armchair expert).

[Alex100]

Unfortunately, drones have become a very dangerous and VERY effective weapon. We suffer huge losses in equipment. Infantry storms enemy positions almost without the support of armored vehicles, which are VERY quickly disabled by drones. Ukraine has placed its bets on drones. The West is giving them reconnaissance drones and strike drones, and Ukraine has also established its own production.

[Teledroid]

We need small ground-based drones instead of tanks. So that they can quietly drive up at night on batteries and do their job.

[AshPoseidon]

This is the Iron Dome in action.

[Teledroid]

Instead of one tank, buy a hundred of these radio-controlled lawn mowers:
https://aliclick.shop/r/c/1s8x4tk310cnwkvx?erid=2SDnjeToQuE

[Incvizitor]

Fri sau has become crazy now.

[Ivan№One]

How do you rotate the turret? What about the review? How to leave?

[agond]

This is something they can do locally with their own resources, but the military-industrial complex should have created an anti-aircraft installation a long time ago instead of the notorious visor, which, without human intervention, shoots down drones on approach (at distances of 50-100 m), a drone only needs one hit from 5.45, but the human eye cannot notice it in time and hands cannot aim and immediately hit the drone, but automation with machine vision can do both.

[Alexey G]

Well, what can I say, everything that is effective doesn’t disgust me at all!
However, I think protection against kamikaze drones in the future could be built a little differently!
Strengthening the roof and increasing the armor are of course effective, but the drones will become heavier and will be able to carry heavy tandem shots. For example, from the RPG Vampire and then that’s it, the tank is capped!
I think the tank needs something different.
Firstly, an air monitoring system that allows you to effectively detect air targets. They can be electronic, like an aircraft's attack warning system. The infantry already has such sensors. They can be optical with the ability to observe the air situation in a circle. They must be sound, allowing you to detect the direction and distance to a flying object by the sound of the motor.
It seems best to have all three and there will be nothing revolutionary about it.
Next is the choice of weapon of influence. Here the tanks from the very beginning have a means of anti-aircraft machine gun on the roof of the tank. The drone has no armor and can easily be disabled. However, its small size and maneuverability make it difficult to land a clear hit. Hunting for him reminds me of hunting for a duck.
Perhaps you need an automatic shotgun paired with a tank machine gun, having a range of 200-300 meters, installed in a special module similar to the T-90 mu. After the alert signal, sound sensors are turned on to calculate the direction and range to the drone. The twin installation turns towards the object and the optics, plus possibly a thermal imager, detect the target, open fire with a machine gun and, when approaching at a short distance, with grapeshot from a machine gun.
It may be fantastic, of course, but you have to try.
If it works, tanks operating in a group can mutually help each other by opening fire from 2, 5, XNUMX dual barrels at one drone, creating a barrage of fire!

[Alexey G]

By the way, if I'm right, the infantry could also use a shotgun as a second weapon with a collimator for quick aiming and skeet shooting skills. I saw a bird in attack and hit it. In addition, the shotgun is not bad for clearing at short distances; it can also throw smoke bombs and wogs.

[Yuri L]

And before they laughed at the Syrian protected monsters. And what do they have to do with this? Does the tower at least turn?

[Yuri L]

In short, we take the hangar, put it on tracks, and the problem of anti-drone protection is completely solved

[U-58]

There are many things that can be predicted. For example, such protection is used during storage (idle time) of the vehicle and on the march when moving to attack positions. And then the tank crawls out from under it and rushes into battle.

[Thumbs]

Shadow Genius from Mad Max)

[Mobik]

What did you cling to in the comments about this gun, it shouldn’t shoot. The task of this tank is to troll mines and not be destroyed by FVP drones. If the lead thrall is hit, the entire column will stand in the middle of a minefield under fire. That's why we strengthened it to the maximum. Although the idea is not to start a collective farm, but to start something specialized.
PS In theory, it would be necessary to have heavy infantry fighting vehicles with thralls.

[leks]

We took more photos and showed them off. As a result, the Ukrainians identified this hangar with equipment and covered it. Well, hype lovers, keep taking pictures and put them on display for everyone to see, you idiots

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: leks

We took more photos and showed them off. As a result, the Ukrainians identified this hangar with equipment and covered it. Well, hype lovers, keep taking pictures and put them on display for everyone to see, you idiots

Where does the wind blow from? Do you have a link to the source of information?
How this tank - "Tsar Mangal" worked in practice was posted yesterday in a video. The video is here
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/9082249.html

[leks]

Telegram channel Gray zone, look there. Everything is described there and everything is shown.

[air wolf]

On the roof, a tower with a machine gun and like in World War I

[Vladimir_D]

Looks like a big TV box