Military Review

Scheme of procurement and repair of military equipment from Sergei Shoigu, and the new composition of the military-industrial complex

At the next conference call, in which Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu took part, the question was discussed on what principle, within the framework of the State Defense Order, contracts will be concluded for the repair and maintenance of military equipment. The topic of the state defense order, or rather its already trivial breakdowns, has acquired a distinctly painful tinge from the moment the substantial financing of the modernization and rearmament of the army was announced. It is this shade that makes it necessary to pay increased attention to all those decisions that are made or negotiated in the field of defense industry as potentially possible.

Sergei Shoigu said that when concluding contracts with defense companies, it is necessary to completely neutralize the risks, for which it is advisable to switch to the following scheme: who makes the equipment, he later repairs it. From the point of view of the minister, such a scheme would lead to the fact that the risks of purchasing low-quality military equipment from enterprises of the military-industrial complex will be minimized and, therefore, the load on the state treasury will decrease. In addition, after such a decision has been made, it will be financially beneficial for the enterprises of the military-industrial complex to carry out a complete modernization of their equipment, as well as a full range of measures to improve the skills of their employees. In other words, the Minister of Defense emphasized that the release of frankly poor-quality equipment will lead to the fact that the producing enterprises themselves will have to incur additional expenses in order to correct their forced or unforced errors.

Such a proposal from the current Minister of Defense found both supporters and opponents. Supporters of the idea of ​​Sergei Shoigu make it clear that the proposal of the head of the military department has a whole range of advantages, the main of which is saving budget funds and improving the quality of products. Budget savings in this case may consist in the absence of a number of intermediaries between the Ministry of Defense and the manufacturing enterprise. And, as you know, the less intermediaries in the form of virtually uncontrolled firms, the less likely there is to lose a certain percentage of funds allocated for the repair of military equipment.

Opponents are not ready to be so optimistic about Sergey Shoigu’s idea. They see at least one flaw in the scheme proposed by the minister. According to their (opponents) opinion, the state in this case will not only not win money, but, on the contrary, will face the need to make new costs. The fact is that defense enterprises supplying this or that equipment to military units are often located thousands of kilometers from these units. And if, for example, tank or a helicopter during operation, one or another block (unit) fails, then transporting the equipment to the manufacturing plant without fail will be too expensive for the treasury.
In addition, critics of the idea of ​​Sergei Shoigu say that under the current conditions of market instability it is absolutely impossible to conclude long-term contracts for the repair of military equipment with manufacturers. The point is that it seems like no one can know in advance about the price of repairs, for example, the T-90A tank for the next 10-15 years.

In principle, such a problem could be solved by concluding contracts that are not designed for 10-15 years of maintenance of a military equipment object, but, for example, for 3-5 years. However, for some reason, this option is not considered by opponents of the idea of ​​the minister.

In order to use Sergei Shoigu’s obvious anti-corruption message, he didn’t bring to the point that, in any convenient and inconvenient case, the failed equipment was sent for repair to the manufacturer’s address, the experts express their suggestions. One of these proposals looks like using the experience of the USSR in the manufacture and repair of military equipment. The essence of the proposal is for the Ministry of Defense to secure a certain amount of repair capacity in various regions of the country. These facilities would carry out repair work without using the services of numerous intermediary offices. This would reduce the time for work and carry out, let's say, the repair segment of the plan for the State Defense Order without delays, which have manifested themselves all lately.

While the Ministry of Defense is deciding on which way to continue the movement so that the state defense authority will not be disrupted once again, Decree No. XXUMX-r of the Government of the Russian Federation announced the new composition of the Military Industrial Commission. The military industrial complex is a special governmental body that organizes the activities of executive authorities in terms of solving military-industrial issues of ensuring the country's security (including the provision of troops with military-technical equipment) and building a law enforcement system.

As expected, Deputy Chairman of the Government of Russia Dmitry Rogozin remained chairman of the military industrial complex. In addition, the military industrial complex includes 22 permanent members, among which are Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Rosoboronzakaz’s director A. Potapov, Industry and Commerce Minister Denis Manturov, Interior Minister Vladimir Kolokoltsev, Economic Development Minister A. Belousov, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov, Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov. Veronika Skvortsova, a member of the commission, also became a permanent member of the commission.

There is also 37, so to speak, non-permanent members of the military-industrial complex, among which are both the head of Rostekhnadzor N. Kutyin and the Minister of Education and Science D. Livanov. As far as such a commission is workable, and as far as it will allow to solve urgent problems with the modernization of the Russian army, time will show, as always.

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  1. timhelmet
    timhelmet 8 February 2013 08: 30
    My opinion is that Shoigu speaks. Well, for the delivery of faulty equipment to repair plants, technical sites from the Ministry of Defense in several regions will help out (as mentioned above, "using the experience of the USSR").

    Harae, how to steal a gritsa. It's time to do defense.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 8 February 2013 09: 52
      "While the Ministry of Defense is deciding which way to continue to move so that the state defense order is not once again disrupted."

      And I think that this is not a matter of procurement schemes, but of the backwardness of the military-industrial complex, lack of personnel, etc.
    2. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 8 February 2013 10: 39
      I think that one should not use the experience of foreign countries, but the experience of the USSR.
      most foreign countries are much smaller than Russia. accordingly, the logistics during the repair are completely different.
      In the USSR, they coped with this without any problems. why not study the past and SUCCESSFUL experience ???
      why equal to europe? let others equal us.

      I think so.
      1. to4kavserdce
        to4kavserdce 8 February 2013 11: 48
        You're right! Fuck far to go ??? Enough to turn back and look at our Fathers))))))))) Soviet hardening, everything is brilliant and simple !!!
      2. Zhenya
        Zhenya 8 February 2013 11: 56
        Where does this photo come from? This is 72, right?
        1. Durant
          Durant 8 February 2013 12: 52
          And T-72, T-64-ki, and if I’m not mistaken, and T-80 in the upper right ...
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 8 February 2013 16: 37
            This is some kind of Kharkov tank building divisions. Specifically, where is the disposal. The tanks in the photo are waiting for a metal scrap. If you joke on the net there is a whole photo shoot from this factory. There were at least 20 pictures.
          2. Lieutenant colonel
            Lieutenant colonel 10 February 2013 07: 41
            It seems only 64 and 72, beauties 80 can not be seen.
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 8 February 2013 16: 25
        For some reason I see a photo from a Ukrainian factory ...
    3. 11 black
      11 black 8 February 2013 19: 03
      Quote: timhelmet
      whoever makes the technique, he subsequently repairs it.

      Shoigu says the matter - in this situation, it would be unprofitable for the manufacturer to supply low-quality equipment - then he would mess with it himself.
      I would also make a condition that a guarantee is valid during the overhaul period and if the equipment breaks down before the time of the next repair, then it will be repaired for free !!!
  2. Zhenya
    Zhenya 8 February 2013 10: 16
    ... and Minister of Health Veronika Skvortsova .... And why the hell is this advice? Will health check tanks?
    1. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 8 February 2013 10: 47
      Zhenya, apparently trying to use people with diverse knowledge and experience.
      Do you think that in the army the health of a soldier is not on the same level as the quality of equipment?
      are mistaken.
      unit fighting efficiency is determined not only by the quantity and quality of weapons, but also by the ability of personnel to physical and emotional overload.
      and in a battle, especially a close one, where the technique does not give advantages - the main thing is the emotional and physical stability of the personnel.
      when fighters are able to not rest for 3-4 days in one spirit, when one can withstand hundreds of enemies and moral stability helps him in this.
      when the commander even has 10-20 of such fighters - this is a real special unit, which can be safely put into battle.

      I think so.

    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 February 2013 11: 24
      Cash allowance military cut.
      In her ministry she does this very effectively. Tells a box about super-salaries of 30 thousand rubles. And in real life, young specialists (neurologists, oculists, etc.) receive three thousand each from the new year. less than the nurse. And they decided to eliminate this social injustice by cutting the payments last.
  3. rennim
    rennim 8 February 2013 10: 21
    The right direction offers Shoigu. And about the remoteness of thousands of kilometers ... So far-abroad countries buy equipment from us ... and they don’t cry about the remoteness of repairs in Russia.
  4. JonnyT
    JonnyT 8 February 2013 10: 36
    Timely service support can be carried out only if all the components are available next to the faulty equipment and repair conditions ....... specialists can fly in 10000 km. If there are repair shops with spare parts warehouses near the parts, then everything will be okay
  5. anchonsha
    anchonsha 8 February 2013 10: 48
    The Shoigu proposal is not profitable for embezzlers, as it deliberately makes it impossible for various intermediary firms and firms to get into the chain of relations between the defense industry complex and the army
  6. bazilio
    bazilio 8 February 2013 11: 29
    Shoigu circuit looks better. Repair problems can be solved in the likeness of service centers of car manufacturers. Definitely, the repair work will consist only of the repair of accidentally broken parts. most of the repair work will be reduced to a planned review and replacement of units that have consumed a resource. Therefore, we need to help manufacturers establish service centers in the districts and that’s it.
  7. shurup
    shurup 8 February 2013 11: 49
    But what about repair factories in different regions?
    On the citizen, private workshops are involved in the repair and maintenance of household appliances, which are associated with manufacturers of spare parts and training.
    Design bureaus, a factory and a workshop are two different things.
    To conclude contracts for the performance of tasks on a tender basis is the task of the commission.
    I am somehow against loading the manufacturer.
    And the stamp of military acceptance under the USSR was quoted above the quality mark.
  8. fight
    fight 8 February 2013 14: 55
    Uncles do not confuse repair and manufacturing. Another manufacturing process and other structure. The factories are required to be. The whole point is that almost all the factories were closed during the butarer
  9. phantom359
    phantom359 8 February 2013 15: 12
    Shoigu has the right decision. Marriage - restore it yourself. Under the Union, we were constantly working on finalists from Tashkent. A little something is wrong. immediately eliminated a malfunction or structural defect. The main sore we had was a bearing on the D30KP, a small resource, so they (the developers) brought it to mind.
  10. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 8 February 2013 16: 32
    Oh, some people are afraid of losing the feeder from the budget ... They have already come up with a problem - a logistics one. And for example, such a moment that in every military unit there are repair shops they simply do not want to consider. It is possible to equip the repair rooms with factory, civilian specialists, who will be paid by the plant. For example, the main specialists are factory workers, and the middle and lower managers are local, trained at the factory. Solid advantages and logistics are simple. For example, the assembly failed - instead of sending the entire product to the factory, the manufacturer dismantled it, evaluated the complexity, made it on its own or sent it, depending on the complexity. If a serious marriage, then due to the scammer and transportation. If the modernization, depending on the customer, elimination of the defect at the expense of the plant, updating according to a new contract from the customer ... yes, I’m tearing up here, it's all elementary, you just need to separate the thieves from the feeder.
  11. spok
    spok 8 February 2013 18: 16
    a thief in power is a thief
    what good with these said about Serdyukov and others
    need real business
    A thief should sit in jail
    as Leonov said:
    -Has served, left, stole, prison!
  12. I think so
    I think so 8 February 2013 18: 37
    It was easy to destroy .... but it was difficult to create something worthwhile, especially not for specialists, and even those who did not want to consult knowledgeable people ... To cancel footcloths is a couple of trifles, but to shod the army for some reason. For two hundred years the Russian army walked in the footcloths and fucked everyone in the dust ... somehow, in stockings and in stupid berets, will they fight?
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 9 February 2013 04: 06
      It's not about footcloths, but inert thinking. Like the grandfathers of the grandfathers walked around and you walk around, like to contend with mine. So the army is stupid and arrogant instead of military training.
  13. rubber_duck
    rubber_duck 8 February 2013 19: 55
    Sergei Shoigu said that when concluding contracts with defense companies, it is necessary to completely neutralize the risks, for which it is advisable to switch to the following scheme: who makes the equipment, he later repairs it. From the point of view of the minister, such a scheme would lead to the fact that the risks of purchasing low-quality military equipment from enterprises of the military-industrial complex will be minimized and, therefore, the load on the state treasury will decrease. In addition, after such a decision has been made, it will be financially beneficial for the enterprises of the military-industrial complex to carry out a complete modernization of their equipment, as well as a full range of measures to improve the skills of their employees. In other words, the Minister of Defense emphasized that the release of frankly poor-quality equipment will lead to the fact that the producing enterprises themselves will have to incur additional expenses in order to correct their forced or unforced errors.

    My God, these fools still think that the Armed Forces can, if not become cost-effective, at least hang at this threshold ... Bl ... in! A cost-effective army can only be when seizing new territories rich in raw materials. And the nearest repair plant should repair the equipment !!! In order not to drag her along the already suffocating strings of the railroads through incredible open spaces. And for this, these repair plants should be distributed throughout the country. No? Build, bl ... in! And in order not to purchase low-quality equipment, in the damned totalitarian USSR there was an institution of military acceptance.

    "Financially profitable"? .. The author, this is a wonderful phrase, to cast it in granite, as our "current" Prime Minister liked to say. What is "financial gain"? What the hell is this? .. What are you talking about, together with the fire chief? ..

    Regarding the failure of the state order. So there it is not necessary "level the risks", but, damn it, in the end, get at least some responsibility from formally responsible people. Ask a question: why was the state order disrupted for such and such a position? Money not transferred? Thank God, there is nothing complicated, passed, accepted, signed. Whose signature is the last one? Where's the money? Do not know? Noted! The plant did not fulfill the order? Who is in charge? Noted! The plant was physically unable to handle the order? What bright head gave this plant the order? Noted! According to the results of the marked ones, they will be shot, or it is better to hang them, and the list of Akhmedov and Makhmudov will be beyond any measure ... To sum up, those responsible should bear this responsibility! Until this happens, we will “level out the risks” and “win money”, and there will be no new or repaired equipment in the Armed Forces.
    1. Old skeptic
      Old skeptic 9 February 2013 01: 01
      And why can not rms factories and rembases be transferred to the balance of the manufacturer? Of course, with the hang of those responsible for the breakdown. Problems need to be addressed comprehensively and combined. The manufacturer has confidence in the future that he will receive both a long-term contract (for the entire life cycle) and long-term hemorrhoids with repair of the marriage and elimination of defects.

      What could be better than confidence in the future? lol
      1. go
        go 9 February 2013 17: 26
        Only responsibility cannot solve the problem, it is necessary to develop a mechanism: the main thing is to arrange everything so that it is not profitable for the manufacturer to howl to repair, so that he cannot make a lot of money from it.

        There is such a graph of the probability of the distribution of marriage accepted in industrial production (I’m sorry I didn’t find it in Russian - see below), so the most ways out are in the initial and final stages of operation, so at the initial stage, you must necessarily conclude a contract for GUARANTEED service with the manufacturer - in In this case, it will be very unprofitable for him to make a marriage! At the middle and final stage, you can basically discuss service for a fee, because the operator must also have an interest in following the rules! But of course, this service should be cheaper than in the market, because the margin of spare parts and work should be minimal.

        In terms of remoteness of the manufacturer from the operator, it is quite normal international practice when the manufacturer locally organizes warehouses with the most popular spare parts as well as shifts of qualified service personnel.
  14. Lieutenant colonel
    Lieutenant colonel 10 February 2013 08: 12
    Here I read the comments of some and wonder how I really did not serve in the army ?. I am writing as it was in the Armed Forces of the USSR and the Russian Federation until recently. Each unit of armament and equipment has a life cycle which includes manufacturing, routine maintenance, current, medium, overhauls, delivery for operation and new TR, SR, KR and, as a rule, disposal. So, upon receipt of a new unit in the unit (for example, a tank), a sample was taken and put into operation (crew securing, reconciliation of sights, seasonal maintenance, etc. - a large set of measures), then the sample was operated (as part of the life cycle) - at the operation stage, various breakdowns and defects could occur and manifest themselves. All this time (if I'm not mistaken before the average repair), the sample is under warranty. as a whole, the object and its nodes and assemblies. If there were breakdowns or failures not related to operation (which was often difficult for breeders to prove), a complaint was made, the facility was decommissioned and the breeders were waiting to fix the breakdown (failure). In the event that a refusal occurs after the warranty period, current repairs were carried out by the repair companies and battalions at the base. In case of more serious breakdowns, the average repair was carried out by repair battalions and bases within the army (to keep associations), the capital usually went to armored personnel carriers within the okrug. The second capital could be carried out at manufacturing plants. All repair bodies in the field had a reserve of MTS for the necessary repairs. They had specialists and mobile repair facilities for organizing repairs in the field (whole plants were on wheels). Repair in the army was called PLANNED WARNING! It is written that the operating time of the specimen before the average repair of 12 thousand km - did not break down - be welcome to the ORB for repair and replacement of what could fail. Overhaul periods are prescribed in orders and instructions, operating instructions.
    This is very short.
    The question is - what kind of garden should be fenced and come up with something !? The manufacturer, one way or another, took part in the product’s life cycle, and one way or another, the breeders came to the troops, and when they received a new type and lived for a year, the practice of using and operating the complex in the troops did not appear. Why did the repair factories disband? Why are repairs transferred to the manufacturing plants? In order to replace the KUV 15 box with the T-80, what does it need to drive to the Lower? When she forces the company of the regiment, brigade changes within 4 hours (with smoke breaks)? The Germans lost including know why? Because they carried out all repairs in Germany, and our grandfathers are in the field!
  15. saf34tewsdg
    saf34tewsdg 10 February 2013 12: 21
    Imagine, it turns out that our authorities have complete information about each of us. And now she has appeared on the Internet Very surprised and scared,
    my correspondence, addresses, phone numbers, even found my nude photo, I can’t even imagine from where. The good news is that the data can be deleted from the site, of course, I used it and I advise everyone not to hesitate