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The death of the BOD "Brave"

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In Sevastopol, in the territory of the Kommunarov cemetery one can see a small, modest monument. It is located between the mass grave of the crew of the battleship Novorossiysk and the monument to Lieutenant P. P. Schmidt. An inscription stamped on a marble monument informs: “The seamen of the“ Brave ”who died during the execution of military duty in August 1974 of the year”. It also contains a list of the 24 surnames of the dead sailors. You will not be able to gather more information from this monument, in the USSR you didn’t particularly like to spread the death of this ship.


BOD "Brave"

Large anti-submarine ship "Brave" was included fleet January 25, 1966, and for his fairly short life managed to make 7 military campaigns. From June 5 to 30, 1967, the ship performed the combat mission of assisting the Egyptian armed forces and visited Port Said. In 1968-69, the Bold Valiant military-technical complex underwent a current repair at the 61st plant in Nikolaev, during which its missile armament was modernized. Since 1969, the captain of the 3rd rank Ivan Petrovich Vinnik was appointed captain of the vessel.

In 1970, the BOD was declared an excellent ship of the Black Sea Fleet, took part in the Ocean maneuvers, went to the shores of Cuba and the Atlantic. In 1972-1973, the ship underwent another eight-month repair at the docks of Sevastopol. As part of the detachment of the ships of Rear Admiral L. Ya. Vasyukov, the courier company "Brave" visited the ports of Italy - Taranto and Messina with friendly visits. The last battle trip of the ship in the Mediterranean took place from November 10 1973 of the year to March 6 of the year 1974. "Brave" was part of the 70-th brigade of anti-submarine ships.

BOD "Brave" belonged to the ships of the 61 project of the type "Komsomolets of Ukraine" (according to NATO codification - Kashin). It was a type of large anti-submarine ships that were in service with the Soviet fleet from 1964 to 1991 a year, and later were in service with the Russian fleet. On the 2012 year, only the 1 ship of this type was retained as part of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia - TQS “Sharp”. He remained the only ship from the 20 ships of the project, which managed to join the USSR fleet from 1962 to 1973 years. The rest of the 18 ships were decommissioned and dismantled for metal, another one - BOD Brave - sank.
The death of the BOD "Brave"

The standard displacement of ships of this type was 3500-3700 tons, the maximum displacement - 4500-4750 tons. The upgraded ships - 3950 / 4900 tons, respectively. Case dimensions: length - 144 m. (Upgraded - 147 m.), Width - 15,8 m., Draft - 4,8 m. (Up to 6 m.). 4 gas turbines with a total capacity of 94 000 HP worked on the 2 propeller, providing the ship maximum speed at the level of 36-38 knots. The cruising range at speed in 20 knots was 4000 nautical miles. On the ship could accommodate anti-submarine helicopter Ka-25. The BOD provided for the storage of 5 tons of aviation kerosene, as well as helicopter ammunition (depth charges, anti-submarine torpedoes, hydroacoustic buoys). Due to the lack of a hangar on the ship, a helicopter could only be placed on it temporarily.

Innovative could be called the armament complex of the new ship. First time in stories Soviet shipbuilding BOD received the 2 SAM M-1 "Wave". Each anti-aircraft missile system was a two-gang PU ZIF-101, a store with 2-me rotating drums on 8 B-600 missiles each and the “Yatagan” control system. The artillery armament included the 2-e of the twin 76-mm AK-726 turret artillery turrets (90 firing rate / min., The maximum firing range of 13 km., The height reachability - 9 km., The ammunition of each unit consisted of XNXX, the range of each unit consisted of XNXX, the reach of the height - 2400 km., The ammunition of each unit consisted of XNXX, the range of each unit consisted of XNXX, the reach of the height - 2 km., The ammunition of each unit consisted of XNXX, the range of each unit consisted of XNXX, the range of height - 53 km. shots). In addition, the ship was attended by 61-e fire control system "Turret", the ship was equipped with a five-pipe torpedo tube PTA-53-57 for 53-2 or SET-1000 torpedoes and had XBNUMX 6000 and RFU-48 for 10. RGB-192 and 60 RGB-XNUMX, respectively).

All ships of this project had developed radar weapons and underwater acoustics, as well as excellent seaworthiness, maneuverability. These ships differed and a great appearance and architecture.

The death of the BOD "Brave"

From 4 to 7 in August 1974, the Brave BOD took part in the fleet's regular exercises, and from August 27 the ship was to become the flagship control ship during the 2 stage of the exercise. BOD "Brave" was to ensure the shooting of small rocket ships, as well as take part in anti-submarine exercises with a torpedo firing. 29 August 1974, the ship under the control of the captain of the 2 rank I.P. Vinnik stepped out into the open sea and successfully conducted torpedo firing. At dawn on 30 August, BOD embarked on a raid in Streletskaya Bay, in order to take on board Rear Admiral V. Kh. Sahakyan, the Chief of Staff of the CERF, as well as a group of senior fleet officers. On this day, the ship was supposed to provide anti-aircraft fire from small rocket ships at the range near Cape Chersonese. In 9: 55 in the morning the ship arrived at the landfill, it was training and combat alert.

After just 3 minutes in 9: 58 on the bridge felt a slight shake of the vessel, as if a small explosion had occurred in its stern. After that, the cars were immediately stopped, an emergency and combat alarm was announced on the ship. After 10 seconds after the first ship, a stronger explosion shook, behind the feeding tube a sheaf of flame appeared and a well-visible cap of white smoke. After another 20 seconds there was a third explosion, which occurred in the vicinity of the rocket cellar #8. A pillar of flame rose above the site of the explosion and thick black smoke was thrown down. The explosion was of such strength that it tore the lid of the cellar and, together with the PU of anti-aircraft missiles, threw it onto the stern chimney. After that, a large fire began in the area of ​​BOD, and the ship’s personnel began to struggle for unsinkability and survivability.

As it was later found out, the following happened: after the announcement of a military combat alert on the ship, the midshipman, who was behind the control panel of the missile control room of the stern cellar No. 8, in which 15 B-601 rockets were stored in 2’s vertical drums in combat condition, acting according to instructions , ordered the sailors on duty at the post to connect an external power supply. After that, he moved the toggle switches on the power supply console to the on position. Immediately after clicking the last toggle switch, he saw through the porthole a sufficiently strong bundle of flame on the left drum. Without launching a fire extinguishing device, the midshipman left his battle post and rushed down the corridor to the bow of the ship, where he was overtaken by a strong explosion, whose blast wave threw him aside.

In the course of the investigation, it was possible to establish that exactly 8 seconds had passed from the moment of appearance of fire in the cellar No.18 until the moment of a strong explosion. Subsequently, it was found that the flames in the cellar appeared due to the spontaneous activation of the main engine of one of the anti-aircraft missiles. This was followed by the launch of the rocket engine of its own starting stage, which led to the launch of the starting engines of several more rockets. All this led to a sharp increase in pressure in the cellar (approximately 3 of the atmosphere), as a result of which a force of approximately 2500 tons began to act on the cellar lid, which caused its breakdown. As a result of the explosion in the onboard lining of the ship in the area of ​​the 8 cellar, 2 holes were formed, through which fresh water began to flow into the compartments.

In 10 hours, a combat alarm was announced on the ship, and then an emergency alarm, at that time a fire was raging in the 8 cellar, in the 9 and 10 corridors. BOD got roll in 12 degrees to starboard. Between 10: 10 and 10: 20, the ship was given a command to turn on the water protection system, irrigation and flooding of cellars No.6, 7 and 10 began. However, it was not possible to carry out our plans, as the pipelines failed. An explosion from a ship's utah threw 7 sailors into the sea, which were picked up by the ships that approached the scene of the incident.

In 10: 23, the “Brave” personnel, who were located in the stern compartments of the ship, were ordered to be evacuated from the ship. At this time, the fire on board was gaining momentum. At the same time, the cellars of the ammunition No.6 and No.7 constantly poured water from the hoses. In 10: 40, the destroyer “Conscious” approached the BOD, and after another 12 minutes, “Poor”, from which a special rescue party was landed on “Brave”. In 10: 54 the destroyer "Conscious" took the BVO "Brave" in tow in order to divert the ship aground in the Chersonese region, at this time the ship's heel already reached 13 degrees. After 7 minutes on the "Brave" began the procedure of transferring fuel from right to port, but it did not help get rid of the roll.

Soon, the feed BOD plunged into the sea on the upper deck, and the roll to the starboard reached 16 degrees. Secret documents were quickly evacuated from the ship. In 11: 24, torpedoes were dropped into the sea, the ship's roll was reduced to 14 degrees. In this cellar ammunition №6 and 7 were flooded with water with the help of fire hydrants. In 11: 55, Komsomolets Ukrainy BOD arrived on the scene to assist.

In 11.59, the fire aboard the ship managed to be localized, white smoke began to fall from the cellars. However, after 7 minutes there was a breakage of the towing cables from the destroyer "Conscious", new cables began to start from the "Bedovoy". All this time the fire in the aft engine room of the ship continued. In 12.27, a command was given to shut off the water supply to the compartment, it was decided to use only foam. A chemical fire extinguishing system was activated in the stern engine compartment. The towing of a ship in distress with a speed of 3 knot began again in 12: 49, at this time the roll of the anti-submarine ship reached 17 degrees.

In 12: 55, the rescue ship "Beshtau" arrived at 13: 20 - CC-15 and CC-26, after a few more minutes the fire-decontamination ship "Flame". Foam was supplied from these vessels aboard the Brave Combat BOD to the area of ​​burning cellars. In 14: 30, an attempt was made to pump water from the feed compartments, but after 17 minutes an explosion of aircraft ammunition located in cellar # XXUMX occurred. Apparently, at the same time, the tank, in which 10 tons of aviation kerosene were stored, exploded. All this seriously complicated the situation, the ship's roll to starboard quickly reached 5 degrees, increasing to 19. In 25: 15, it has stabilized at 07 degrees. After another 27 minutes on the ship, the power to the instruments stopped and the lighting went off. In 3: 15, personnel received an order to evacuate a ship in distress, with the captain leaving the BOD last.

In 15.35, the Brave courier began to dive into the Black Sea astern without tipping, and the tugboat was given off from the destroyer Bedovoy. After just 12 minutes the ship completely disappeared under water. The depth in the place of its flooding was about 125 meters. In total, 5 hours of 47 minutes have passed since the detection of a fire on the ship until it was flooded. As a result of internal explosions and the resulting holes in the hull of the ship took on board almost 3600 tons of water, turned out to be flooded 6 impermeable compartments. At the same time, after the flooding of the 4-x compartments located in the stern, the trim and roll were stabilized, and the BOD had a positive stability. But when the water completely flooded the 2 compartment, the ship’s buoyancy was exhausted. However, even after sinking, the courage "Brave" showed a very high survivability. According to the specification, the ships of this project could remain afloat only after the flooding of the 3-x adjacent compartments.

Of the 287 people who were aboard the Bravo BOD, including those undergoing cadet training, 24 people were killed (19 sailors and 5 cadets). The entire personnel of the vessel during the struggle for survivability and unsinkability, as well as extinguishing the fire, acted skillfully and showed courage. All measures were taken to save the ship, but the damage resulting from the explosions made its rescue impossible. Subsequently, valuable equipment was dismantled from the sunken ship, and its hull was blown up on the ground.

Information sources:
-http: //ser-sarajkin.narod2.ru
-http: //flot.sevastopol.info/history/otvazhniy.htm
-http://d-t-p.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4443:----qq&catid=33:2010-06-24-10-13-10&Itemid=40
-http: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 7 February 2013 08: 34 New
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    The blessed memory of the fallen sailors.
  2. Serdykov
    Serdykov 7 February 2013 08: 39 New
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    Eternal memory to the heroes
  3. Krsk
    Krsk 7 February 2013 08: 46 New
    +4
    Until recently, people and the ship itself fought for vitality, but ...
  4. dmitreach
    dmitreach 7 February 2013 09: 26 New
    +6
    It is a pity not told about the fate of the captain, officers and sailors, with cadets. (Awarded not involved, punished distinguished?)
    A good indicator of the survivability of our Ships when the crew heroically fights for their lives. Almost 6 hours afloat, with such damage!
    Eternal memory to the dead!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 7 February 2013 23: 58 New
      +3
      sailors have such a fate, all their lives fight for survivability
  5. Iraclius
    Iraclius 7 February 2013 09: 32 New
    +4
    The traditions of the struggle for survivability in the Russian-Soviet fleet are included in world textbooks. Do not shame the tradition here.
    Glory to the Black Sea sailors! And the eternal memory of the dead!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 8 February 2013 23: 29 New
      -1
      OUR fleet is strong in traditions. Amerias in the Pacific, during World War II, an aircraft carrier damaged by Japanese deck aircraft was thrown and he DANGERED A FEW DAYS across the ocean, like a crustacean. In the end, the Japanese submarine found it (INCIDENTALLY!) And sent a mournful thing to the bottom.
  6. avt
    avt 7 February 2013 09: 59 New
    21
    The article is decent +. But one serious point is missed. After the accident, a very thorough investigation was conducted. We built a stand - simulated an accident. We found out that if the midshipman, when launching the rocket, turned on the emergency fire extinguishing system, and did not run to warn everyone about the fire, tragedy with the deaths could be avoided. It was not possible to extinguish the fire, and, in my opinion, for the first time in the Navy, we knew how aluminum-magnesium alloys burn. In general, the actions of the commander and crew were rated highly. It was even proposed not to disband the crew, but to give a new ship! BUT, the top management considered it different, although they didn’t ruin anyone’s career, at least I didn’t hear. Yes, he sank deeply, then the secret radars got out, it seems. They got it very hard, people suffered during work.
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 7 February 2013 10: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: avt
      in my opinion for the first time in the Navy, we learned how aluminum-magnesium alloys burn

      Most likely so. And glory to the Almighty that we did not learn this under combat conditions, like the British and their Sheffield. There were much more victims.

      ***
      For 18 seconds put out the rocket propulsion engines? Would it work out exactly? No.
      1. avt
        avt 7 February 2013 12: 37 New
        +6
        Quote: Iraclius
        For 18 seconds put out the rocket propulsion engines? Would it work out exactly?

        Yes, they took the accident investigation very seriously. The ships of this project went to India, I can be mistaken, but it still seems to be in service. Fully modeled on a full-scale model {we made the compartment entirely} and really, experimentally proved that even with a good fire extinguishing system they extinguished the marching engine before the explosion. Here is the price of one mistake, one person in a carriage! BUT I repeat, the commission established that the crew and commander acted competently and selflessly during the accident and did not make any claims against them. Gorshkov proposed not to disband the crew. By the way, there is a famous photo - Belknap burned out by Amers, one steel case remained, the rest - burned down the deck.
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco 7 February 2013 13: 53 New
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          And how and how can I put out a rocket engine ???
          1. mga04
            mga04 7 February 2013 14: 17 New
            +8
            It is unlikely to extinguish an already burning engine, but the fire extinguishing system is quite capable of preventing the ignition of neighboring missiles.
        2. Iraclius
          Iraclius 7 February 2013 14: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: avt
          Yes, they took the accident investigation very seriously.

          I don’t want to say anything bad, but you know how people in our country “love” the truth. It is much easier to blame everything on the mistake of an unknown midshipman than on the miscalculations of the leadership.
          I have nothing to do with the Navy, and the fire extinguishing system on a modern ship is poorly imagined. If there is an irrigation system in the cellars, then it is simply unrealistic to put out the activated marching engine of several anti-aircraft missiles. If the rocket was on mixed fuel, then ammonium perchlorate and finely divided spherical aluminum powder ... What is termite, I think no one needs to explain to anyone, right? Temperature up to 2400 degrees Celsius is not good! It's not baby crackers, yo mine. No. No foam will help, but this rubbish burns without access of oxygen. So, what did the model do, but not quite - so that the Indians did not scatter. yes
          1. avt
            avt 7 February 2013 15: 26 New
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            Quote: Iraclius
            I don’t want to say anything bad, but you know how people in our country “love” the truth. It is much easier to blame everything on the mistake of an unknown midshipman than on the miscalculations of the leadership.

            Midshipman is not unknown and even seems to have lived later in Sevastopol. What is blaming, I know from the accident in Plesetsk, when an explosion was blamed on a soldier, then it turned out that the solder in the filter was in contact with hydrogen peroxide - KBOM wine and the manufacturer. I repeat on the described case - the situation of the beginning of the accident in a specific rebuilt compartment was completely restored. And according to the results we determined - there was time, I don’t remember exactly, but up to 10 seconds probably, well, turn on 7 to work. And the system did it! By the way, the rocket worked alone. I know two situations when the accidents were not sorted out in detail, and this was with the Britanov boat that sank near America. And to put out the whole ship, I didn’t stutter, the guys simply didn’t have any options ... alas.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 7 February 2013 20: 02 New
              +3
              Quote: avt
              with a boat Britanova

              With "K-219", too, not everything is smooth, as they say. The commander of the 8th compartment of this crew did not tell me exactly how it was later in the documents of the commission. He lived above me in Gadzhievo, and I remember that boat too ...
              1. avt
                avt 8 February 2013 09: 46 New
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                Quote: Misantrop

                Misantrop

                Omitting all the details - for good, the command should not have led them out to sea. My personal opinion is 99% of the leadership’s fault. The tragedy with the boat simply should not have taken place. But I repeat, my personal opinion, I don’t know exactly everything.
            2. Iraclius
              Iraclius 8 February 2013 10: 21 New
              +1
              avt , I will no longer argue, since you are so in control of the situation. hi I considered only the technical aspect, which I am well versed in.
              You didn’t tell you what conclusions the technical commission of inquiry made? What caused the power to the sustainer engine? Why wasn’t there an automatic fire extinguishing system in the cellar?
              1. avt
                avt 8 February 2013 11: 45 New
                +4
                Quote: Iraclius
                You didn’t tell you what conclusions the technical commission of inquiry made? What caused the power to the sustainer engine? Why wasn’t there an automatic fire extinguishing system in the cellar?

                I don’t know EXACTLY what caused the power supply, I don’t want to guess, and I suppose we didn’t find a definite answer. As for the commission, I can add this. The midshipman's race was timed on the Komsomolets Ukrainy. A full-scale compartment in 1977 m was manufactured in Leningrad completely with an aft cellar "Volny" -199 - 222 frames with a superstructure. Conducted natural fire tests with B-1978 missiles Conclusion: ,, ... standard means of fire and explosion protection of the cellars of the Volna air defense missile system have the necessary efficiency and high reliability ......... provide LOCALIZATION of the emergency process within the CELLARS .... "Even the standard exhaust devices of the cellars provide pressure relief within 1979-601 seconds in the event of an emergency. That is, the disaster could have been localized before the accident, but ........... 601 seconds - this is a lot, when they tried to turn it on, the system did not work and the process got out of control. you tomatize. I also want to note that the ship, according to the project, was supposed to stay afloat when 1 compartments were flooded, and it stayed at 2. And he sank at 18 !!
                1. Iraclius
                  Iraclius 8 February 2013 11: 59 New
                  +1
                  Thank you! yes So, the notorious human factor is still to blame, which, together with the use of AMG, led to disaster and human casualties. request

                  ***
                  And once again, the question indirectly comes up with the timeliness of abandoning armor protection on ships. So many deaths due to the burning of ships ... And if the Ecoset with a solid propellant rocket engine had cut into the board of, say, the same 61 project? Fire again ...
                2. Quiet
                  Quiet 8 February 2013 18: 35 New
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                  Dear !! hi To my great regret, now, such examinations are not carried out .... well, take "KURSK" (THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN TO THE CHILDREN AND ETERNAL MEMORY TO THE HEROES !!) !!! hi
          2. Quiet
            Quiet 8 February 2013 18: 29 New
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            Well you sir and issued !!! I have already in my head gyrus in a panic with a ringing began to collide trying to build at least some kind of system .... hi request
        3. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 8 February 2013 12: 54 New
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          Quote: avt
          The ships of this project went to India


          But the Indians (and the same Anglo-Saxons), they will not say that they say it's time for us to write off these ships. They are already not this and not this!

          I mean, the Americans are full of ships that are long overdue to be cut into metal. And NATO is full of "troughs"! But they are not worried about this.

          And to the dead - Eternal memory!
    2. aleks
      aleks 7 February 2013 15: 25 New
      +1
      When the authors learn to write correctly --- the ship, the commander of the ship, otherwise his associations about the author immediately arise and his competencies.
    3. Quiet
      Quiet 8 February 2013 18: 23 New
      0
      if the midshipman, when starting the rocket, turned on the emergency fire extinguishing system It also struck me immediately ...
      Where did he rush without an order from a military post .. ???? ... Maybe it was fear ???
    4. dgonni
      dgonni 18 February 2018 15: 00 New
      0
      It just turned out to be extreme! Not because of privacy, but because of necessity! Leaked, sent, Then, in principle, did not abandon. See the command of ship with loading and others;). On the pier of Sevastopol, they will tell.
    5. QAZwsxEDC
      QAZwsxEDC 7 May 2018 16: 46 New
      0
      The commander of the warhead-5 was on vacation at this time. By the decision of Gorshkov, he became a lieutenant from a lieutenant captain. Like this.
  7. Iraclius
    Iraclius 7 February 2013 11: 09 New
    +9
    Few people know, but in 1987 MRK "Monsoon" was killed under tragic circumstances. Those sailors had to erect monuments for heroism during their lifetime. Oddly enough, the death of the small missile ship "Monsoon" (project 1234) in April 1987 in the Pacific Fleet was not mentioned in the list of accidents, because it was not an accident, but a disaster. It turns out, according to military-terminological casuistry, an accident and a catastrophe are not the same thing. request
    So, there the metal (!) Ship burned out (!!!) almost completely. And the same wonderful aluminum alloy is to blame. negative
    But there was already some stupidity - after the death of Sheffield several years passed, but no conclusions were drawn. The Monsoon killed 39 people.
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 8 February 2013 10: 38 New
      0
      There, the RCC was planted just in the GKP area, the entire command of the ship was lost, everything that could be cut down, including and a fire extinguishing system, unburned rocket fuel flashed (they shot, so as not to miss, from a criminally small distance in this case). When the rescuers approached, it was already impossible to extinguish - the water from the hoses evaporated on the fly. There were no chances initially.
      Guilt - on the command of the exercises. The crew did everything they could. The trouble - could not be enough ...
      Shl. "Monsoon" was also from AMG. Then all Soviet ships were made from AMG. And, oddly enough, and after this incident - too
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius 8 February 2013 10: 52 New
        0
        Not only was the distance small, but also the ship was at low speed, or even "stop the car!" was. According to one version, the midshipman responsible for the preparation of the target missile did not bite with side cutters on the power supply circuit of the missile homing system. So she slipped onto the Monsoon. The previous teachings were very unsuccessful and someone's career was breaking ... These were supposed to be exemplary.
        Eyewitnesses say that the ship not only fired all anti-aircraft missiles at it, but even moments before it even managed to fire it from the barrel artillery. This is training and courage. All in vain. recourse
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan 8 February 2013 11: 44 New
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          Yes there was a whole bunch of violations! And a small course, and a small approach distance, and a heading angle ...
          And the commander of the commandant’s department, who fired at the rocket from the cannon until the last second (sorry, I don’t know the name), unfortunately died. What it was - a fact confirmed by eyewitnesses. For that, another person - the flagship specialist of missile weapons of the crew of missile boats, captain 3 of rank Ivanov - who better understood the danger of such a plan of firing, received after them captain 2 of rank ... So here ...
  8. nnz226
    nnz226 7 February 2013 14: 31 New
    0
    on horseradish on the first photo shows BOD pr.1134 ??? No need to mislead readers!
    1. komTMG
      komTMG 8 February 2013 13: 15 New
      +2
      My friend is "Singing Frigate" 61 projects. see photo 1134
      Chumadans on the right and left side. Missile cruiser. Mlyn.
      1. QAZwsxEDC
        QAZwsxEDC 7 May 2018 16: 48 New
        0
        This is 1134-B!
    2. ivanovoa61
      ivanovoa61 15 October 2016 01: 01 New
      +1
      Nooooo ... !!! These are 61 projects of the E - BOD "Provony" with the "Fregat" radar and with the "Urogan" air defense missile system ("Buk" ground-based). I, your humble servant, had the honor to serve on it in 1980-1983. Testing new weapons ...!
      1. ivanovoa61
        ivanovoa61 15 October 2016 01: 04 New
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        This photo is also a BOD, only rank I, in my opinion "Kerch" ...
  9. Takashi
    Takashi 7 February 2013 15: 15 New
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    I immediately had a question: what was given to the midshipman?
    ------
    another question: why suddenly the marching engine started (caught fire)? - short circuit?
    1. avt
      avt 7 February 2013 15: 39 New
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      Quote: Takashi
      I immediately had a question: what was given to the midshipman?

      Without consequences, not awarded, but not punished. Although there was something to reward! Behave heroically led by the commander!
  10. submar
    submar 7 February 2013 17: 31 New
    +6
    Iraclius, MRK "Monsoon"
    On April 16, 1987, while practicing combat training tasks in the Peter the Great Gulf, a damaged cruise target missile hit the Monsoon superstructure. MRK "Monsoon" sank. 39 people died.
    The case of MRK Monsoon was made of aluminum-magnesium alloy AMg-61.
    Every year in Vladivostok on April 16, a mourning rally in memory is held in the brigade.
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 8 February 2013 08: 17 New
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      Yes, he is. recourse
      Here is a photograph of a sinking ship. The quality is not very, excuse me.


      There is also a wonderful story by Y. Pakhomov "Accident by number one" in "Marine collection" for 2004, №№8, 9. I recommend it to everyone for reading. Reading is hard, but necessary.
      1. politruk419
        politruk419 8 February 2013 11: 12 New
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        Pakhomov is one of my favorite marine writers.
  11. Eugene
    Eugene 7 February 2013 18: 58 New
    +4
    I had to go to this compartment. And look at these drums. I mean other BODs. They told about this accident in a whisper in the Baltic. There’s such a volume !!! I can’t imagine how this colossus could be put out.
  12. Voodoo
    Voodoo 7 February 2013 19: 07 New
    +2
    It's a pity both the ship and the people. Is midshipman to blame? I don’t think so. The instinct of self-preservation, normal for all people, worked. Perhaps he later realized the essence of what had happened, but it was too late. Everything went according to a different scenario ... Eternal memory to the dead!
    1. Eugene
      Eugene 7 February 2013 19: 45 New
      +8
      It is not worth writing about the preservation instinct. It gets out of my head over the years of training. There is a good line in the charter: .. no one has the right to leave the emergency compartment without an order .. Simple faceless lines .. Here somewhere the commanders overlooked. This topic is well said in film "72 meters." But really, no one knows how to behave in such a situation. The midshipman just had a chance to change the situation a little.
      1. pogis
        pogis 7 February 2013 20: 10 New
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        But he didn’t use it! He threw his sailors and escaped! As a result, the ship died! And REALLY you are driven into the head during the service, what to do when you aren’t ... doing that the more you serve, the more this cockroach crawls to your brain! Even at home with the slightest state of emergency you act quickly and efficiently! Without having time to think! Everything has long been in my head.
      2. Voodoo
        Voodoo 8 February 2013 16: 50 New
        +1
        How many years !? What kind of training !? Who can foresee a non-standard situation !? Once again, the midshipman's NORMAL instinct of self-preservation worked, then he came to his senses but it was too late! This is not a real combat situation, when everyone is at combat posts and just waiting for enemy shells to hit ... Nerves are strained to the limit, a person is compressed like a spring and is already ready for any action, in accordance with the Regulations and the combat schedule! And here is a completely different situation. In a peaceful environment, most people in a critical, non-standard situation behave in a completely different way. And the lines from the bylaws ... it's all right. But it also takes time to assess the accident rate ... the midshipman, unfortunately, did not have it. It all happened very quickly and unexpectedly. And how would any of us act in this situation, you can argue for a long time, as they say "... in the wrong hands is always thicker."
        1. Eugene
          Eugene 8 February 2013 17: 54 New
          +2
          Normal training. Before the sweat! And it’s not his dog’s job, to evaluate something there. His business is to report, and proceed to liquidate the accident, according to the battle number. a bad turn. What kind of slack there, what peace time is there ?! On the ship, everything is always tailored for emergency.
          1. Voodoo
            Voodoo 8 February 2013 18: 58 New
            +1
            Theory, buddy, theory)))
            1. Eugene
              Eugene 8 February 2013 21: 40 New
              +1
              It’s a clear matter, theory. Actually, everything goes wrong, sometimes. Somewhere they didn’t squeeze something, then they pulled it over. Someone woke up the wrong switch ... It’s clear. This is the question. to a minimum. I saw those who for months had not crawled out of the parts that l / s hated with fierce hatred for constant straining.
    2. dima_talib
      dima_talib 7 February 2013 20: 40 New
      +4
      Well yes. Someone has a heightened sense of duty, and someone has this very instinct of "skin preservation"
      Michman with instinct - the name Shuportyak.
      There is a rather informative thick book on this subject.
      There, the commission precisely established:
      - starting the engine, this is a design error ... such as stray currents.
      - now, if the midshipman did not hesitate to press the fire button, then the ship would have saved and managed to drape.
      - automatically this system did not work, because it was disconnected ...
      And it was turned off, because it worked according to its "automatic understanding" sometimes of its own accord.
  13. sso-xnumx
    sso-xnumx 7 February 2013 19: 43 New
    +4
    There is no captain on warships, there is a ship commander! See the Armed Forces General Military Regulations.
    1. Eugene
      Eugene 7 February 2013 20: 22 New
      +7
      Know how to forgive the sides. It is clear that the eye is cut. Errors and worse are. The ship. The ship, sail, go ... I see. It's not about that.
  14. fedor
    fedor 7 February 2013 23: 05 New
    16
    I was on board "Otvazhny" as part of a rescue team that was being transported, my group worked at the VP line on the aft deck of the RBU, using foam generators supplied from SB-15. After the consumption of the foaming agent, we were ordered to board the SB-15, which was on the starboard side of the Otvazhny. Immediately after the transition to SB-15, a strong explosion was heard in the stern of the damaged ship, steel beams and pieces of torn metal flew through us, but above and no one was injured, except for one officer on the upper bridge of SB-15. After the explosion, our tug was driven off the side, the ship sank, and we picked up a dozen or so sailors and officers from the water. Among them is the captain of the 2nd rank Ivan Petrovich Vinnik, he was the last to leave the ship, with the logbook wrapped in waterproof fabric, I saw it myself and participated in the rescue of the sailors. Then I.P. Vinnik commanded the 9th brigade of supply vessels, he was a wonderful person, he died at the turn of the new millennium, his memory eternal. PZhS-123 was working on the left side of the "Otvazhny", with his foam cannons he temporarily managed to kill the main fire, but as soon as the foam cannons stopped working, the fire resumed. It seems to me that if from the very beginning the ships nearby had landed their LRA at the stern of the "Otvazhny" it could have been saved by not allowing fire into the cellar with the aviation depth charges and the kerosene storage.
    1. komTMG
      komTMG 8 February 2013 13: 33 New
      +4
      Thank. You.
      We were taught Vitality NK cap. 1 rank Zagadsky B.R. as we were told. He was one of the participants in the LRA. And one of the last got off the ship. Tore us to study in all the cracks. And then he said on the exam. Boys you will all burn. God give you good luck.
      My first fire happened on the 2nd day of service at the TFR Zadorny 1135 project.
  15. Ols76
    Ols76 8 February 2013 05: 31 New
    +1
    Blessed memory of the dead!
  16. politruk419
    politruk419 8 February 2013 07: 33 New
    +3
    With the renaissance of the navy, Russia has yet to face cases like this. Alas, such tragedies are an inevitable price to pay for the status of a maritime power. But it seems to me that in our dastardly time no one will carry out real work to study the true reasons. They will blame the people and the crew for the "lack of training and slovenliness". A clear example is the fate of the Nerpa commander. The prosecutors will not calm down even after the acquittal of K. Lavrentiev by a jury.
    Good memory to all sailors who died in the performance of military duty.
  17. воронов
    воронов 8 February 2013 12: 15 New
    +1
    Eternal memory to the heroes
  18. e-froloff
    e-froloff 8 February 2013 19: 27 New
    0
    A true example of cohesion for the young.
  19. Kaetani
    Kaetani 8 February 2013 20: 23 New
    +3
    MILITARY Sailors !!!!
    Worthy
    BRAVELY

    Participants of this tragedy bow. And among other things, the participation of these people on the site in my opinion gives it enormous weight.
  20. elenagromova
    elenagromova 9 February 2013 00: 02 New
    +1
    Eternal memory of the guys ... Sorry for the ships - and the dead, and just razorbranny metal ... The second is even more sorry ... The dead - a tragic incident, and disassembled - either human greed, or disorder, or betrayal .. .
  21. HAIFISCH
    HAIFISCH 9 February 2013 00: 06 New
    0
    The blessed memory of the fallen. Brave were the people.
  22. seafarer
    seafarer 15 February 2013 00: 31 New
    0
    In 83 I was in practice at the Komsomolets Ukrainy BPK. At all combat posts of the BCH-2, there was a prominently displayed poster “Remember“ Brave. ”Classmates said that similar posters were hung on other ships of the project 61.
    And the cadets all died. I don’t remember what school. And only because of their own gouging, because on alarm they remained in the cockpit. And the Kubrick (it seems No. 7) is just aft from the stern rocket cellar.
    In practice, we were also placed in this cockpit. And after the first alarm, which we also leaked to us and told the "big deputy" about "Brave" and the fate of the cadets.
    Naturally, we tried to find out everything that is possible about this disaster. I remember that the officers said that most likely the automatic fire extinguishing system in the cellar was turned off, because in military service in the Mediterranean, it worked arbitrarily due to too high a temperature, and it was simply turned off on most ships of pr.61. And no one wanted to explain to the authorities about why 16 missiles were generously watered with sea water.
    In fact, this is a common misfortune of almost all ships of the USSR Navy - an insufficiently powerful air conditioning system. In the North, the Baltic, Kamchatka - everything is fine, but already in the Black Sea Fleet and Primorye - air conditioners are working almost at the limit. And if the ship goes to the south: to Mediterranean or to the Yellow Sea, then all the power of the "Kandeev" is used for the needs of BCH-4 and BCH-7.
  23. ivanovoa61
    ivanovoa61 15 October 2016 00: 54 New
    0
    The kingdom of heaven to all those who died from the "Brave" and other guys who left ...! Question to admins ...?! Why in the first photo is our BOD "Agile" and the photo somewhere 82 years old ?!
  24. Plombeer
    Plombeer 25 January 2018 12: 36 New
    0
    The most cool description is how the midshipman bch-2 fired from his combat post, leaving the boys to die. I served on the ship of the project 1884U in Vladivostok. in the spring of 19995, a fire broke out in the boiler room at the torn boiler tanks with fuel oil of 40 tons each. when the emergency signaling on the ship sounded, I, as a sailor from the emergency party, immediately ran for a refractory suit (my place in the ASG was to be put out in a suit). when he was in the compartment with the suit, from where the gangway descended to the boiler room, there were bilges from the bch-5 bilge-boiler group and my ETG bch-5 commander and the bilge group commander. The boilers' commander took the suit and, together with the commander of the motor group, went down with a visibility of 1.0-1.5 meters, and we were simply left to stand in the vestibule. In the morning they handed over chemical equipment and emergency rescue equipment, and the personnel did not have any sets left on the ships (except for the caches in the safe in the cabin on duty). Nearby stood BDK-11 (now it is called overexposure). I ran aboard to take the means for breathing autonomous. On the ship, an alarm sounded for the whole golden horn, with its return as much as 5 times. When I reached the commander in the growing posts at BDK-1, black-and-gray smoke was already pouring from the chimney and it already began to cover the platform 13 of the crane and the forecastle of both sides. BDK-11 moored from the wall and I stepped down the ladder with the necessary chemical property. BDK at anchors began to stretch out into the bay and from 3-4 hoses watered the side of the ship. At that time, the fire brigade of 178 SRZ from 3 vehicles arrived and began to extend 150mm hoses for their fire fighting gear. By that time, white smoke with streaks of gray and black was already coming from the chimney. After the firemen installed the system, the commander of the bilge-boiler group came out of the vestibule to the platform 13 of the crane and said that everything had been put out