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The Russian fleet is able to act. To the results of exercises in the Mediterranean and Black Seas.

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The Russian fleet is able to act. To the results of exercises in the Mediterranean and Black Seas.Russian teachings have ended fleet in the Mediterranean and Black Seas. Almost thirty ships, submarines and support vessels, as well as the sea, participated in them. aviation. Exercises of this magnitude have not been in the Navy for a long time. It should also be noted that the Mediterranean Sea has not seen the presence of our fleet on such a scale for a long time. The results of the exercises were summed up on board the cruiser "Moscow", which arrived after the exercises in the Cyprus port of Limassol. By the way, the end of the teachings does not mean that we are leaving the Mediterranean Sea. The presence of fleet forces in this region will be permanent. The situation requires constant coverage of the actions of other interested forces and does not allow to build hope in them, for the possibility of unilateral actions.


What were the goals of the exercises and how can they be considered successful? It will have to be distracted, because there is an opinion that the composition of the ship group involved in the teachings was simply not able to fulfill the training tasks that were worked out in them. For example, the tasks of anti-submarine defense were worked out by the composition of surface ships insufficient for its success. Well what can I say? Indeed, both to carry out anti-submarine search and percussion missions, and to protect and cover strike groups, and to ensure amphibious operations - the involvement of larger groups of ships is required.

However, one cannot agree that these exercises are only an imitation of the real ones. Yes, in a heterogeneous grouping of ships, combat missions were worked out by an incomplete composition of tactical groups. But let's be honest - the numerical and qualitative composition of the fleet is far from perfect. And the largest since the Soviet era program for the construction of warships - adopted precisely for this reason. In the next three years, the fleet will replenish 18 surface ships of the main classes and more 30 boats and support vessels. While new ships are not commissioned, it is important to accumulate experience in combat services, train crews and commanders, and train specialists in the repair and maintenance of equipment to work. And that is exactly what is being done.

Even for little interested people, it is difficult not to notice that the forces of the fleet are constantly at sea, conducting exercises or making campaigns. Last year, the intensity of planned training activities, live firing and long-distance campaigns, can be called unprecedented since the days of the Soviet fleet. The submariners of the Northern and Pacific fleets resumed combat duty at sea. In addition to exercises in the Mediterranean and Black Seas, we must recall unique interspecific exercises in the Central Arctic, in which more than 7 thousands of personnel took part, more than 20 surface ships and submarines, more than 30 aircraft and more than 150 units of military equipment. Signed were the Russian-Chinese exercises "Marine Interaction - 2012". The activity of the fleet in the Mediterranean makes it possible to recall the times of the Mediterranean operational squadron of the Soviet Navy (OPESK), if not from the point of view of the forces involved, then certainly from the point of view of permanent presence. Down and Out trouble started! I do not even want to recall the times when the departure from the mooring wall to check the mechanisms was considered a holiday.

But here another claim arises: “in all these teachings and campaigns a resource of technology is being developed - the entire fleet for repairs will soon arise”. Truly, you cannot please everyone! Rusting ships at the berths - bad; shooting and exercises are followed by campaigns - bad again. It can be noted on this occasion that the life of the ship equipment is produced not only during the exits to the sea, but also at the stops. And it is better to repair will be required after the combat services than after downtime. In contrast to the previous time, scheduled repairs and upgrades are not only ships and submarines that are in service, but also long ago put into reserve. For example, last year the modernization of the heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov began. It is planned to modernize the BOD “Admiral Kharlamov”, which was put into reserve in 2006 year. All the destroyers of the 956 project, even the “Battle”, which is in conservation, will be repaired and upgraded. And now, at Dalzavod, repair of the EM "Sturny" of this project is ending. Everything that was saved in those times when repair work was practically absent (except that the crews could do on their own) will continue to serve.

Now you can return to the past teachings. Following the results, the Ministry of Defense made the following statement: “In general, according to the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, the purpose of the exercise - demonstration of the naval presence in the far sea zone, military force and the determination to use it - has been achieved. The main task of the exercises has been resolved - the military command and control and naval forces are ready for the fulfillment of missions in the far sea zone ”. In other words, there were two tasks: to demonstrate that we would defend our interests in the Mediterranean, and to fine-tune the system of combat control of fleet forces operating at a considerable distance from bases and communications centers.

Regarding the first task, the following should be said. The constant presence of the forces of our fleet near the Syrian coast produces the proper effect — there is no longer any talk of open aggression. But this does not mean that it is impossible. The Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems arrived in Turkey, whose task in the event of aggression will be protection against Syrian aviation. Not for any other purpose - they are not needed. Although the Mediterranean Sea left the American aircraft carrier and escort ships, the NATO navy maintains sufficient forces in the region to support the ground operation. Therefore, it turned out to be necessary to more clearly demonstrate their intentions by conducting large-scale military exercises with live firing. For a simple "demonstration of the flag" began to get used to. And in order not to create the impression that we are only set to “attendance” - we had to remind ourselves a little louder, so to speak, update the impressions.

As for the second task, it is perhaps one of the most important for our fleet. In connection with the changes in the structure of the operational management of the Armed Forces, several new tasks have arisen. The new management system needs to be tested, the development of effective management mechanisms and just to build experience. The old system worked like a clock. But in her the management of the fleet was isolated from other types of armed forces - each of them had its own system of command posts and communications centers. This did not allow making the administration flexible and effective in the conditions of the new forms of warfare. To remedy the situation, new inter-specific combat command and control centers were created, which assumed the task of commanding all available forces in four strategic sectors, including fleet forces. In the central subordination remained only the fleet component of strategic nuclear forces. There was a reasonable question: who will manage the fleet in the far sea zone, which goes beyond the strategic directions? For example, the approach to Syria of the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov was controlled by the command of the Western direction, since the Northern Fleet belongs to the USC Zapad. And if the group will be inter-fleet? In this connection, even a heated discussion flared up: maybe it is worth creating a separate command to control the fleet forces in the far sea zone?

It turned out - this is not required. In their areas of responsibility, the fleet and other forces will be controlled by strategic commands. And in areas outside of these zones - management will be central. But in order to test this system in action, it was necessary to conduct exercises involving the forces of all fleets. In the course of the exercise, the communication systems, data transmission and display of the tactical situation worked out regularly, confirming the efficiency of the new system.

In conclusion, I would like to note once again that our fleet will be present in the Mediterranean Sea, since this region remains one of the most important for the future of the whole world. And in the foreseeable future, this presence will only strengthen.
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  1. Vanek
    Vanek 7 February 2013 06: 17
    +7
    The situation requires constant coverage of the actions of other interested forces and does not allow to build hope in them, for the possibility of unilateral actions

    Guys! It seems to me that this is a hint.

    In conclusion, I would like to note once again that our fleet will be present in the Mediterranean, because this region remains one of the most important for the future of the whole world. And in the foreseeable future this presence will only be strengthened.

    And here's another interesting one. will the United States return its fleet there now? Or nooo.

    Hello to everyone hi
    1. older
      older 7 February 2013 06: 25
      +3
      Quote: Vanek
      Guys! It seems to me that this is a hint.
      There was no hint. Before the start of the exercises, it was announced that the Russians would practice landing, combat firing and anti-ship and anti-submarine defense ... wink
      Quote: Vanek
      And here's another interesting one. will the United States return its fleet there now? Or nooo.
      And here, in my opinion, a bummer ... There is no money to swim in the Mediterranean like ... There will be a couple of ships, no more ...
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 7 February 2013 06: 27
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        Quote: Vanek
        Or nooo.


        Quote: older
        There will be a couple of


        And yet the topic is not disclosed. wink

        Sergei hi
        1. older
          older 7 February 2013 06: 43
          +4
          Quote: Vanek
          And yet the topic is not disclosed. wink
          And you read the previous articles about the American Navy ... They canned the laying of new ships, They remove the fleet from many regions, they don’t write off what they planned ... They burst their throats to Amers .. They got into wars, crisis, external and internal debt ... And all .. The costs of walking in neutral waters have become unbearable .. drinks
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 February 2013 06: 51
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          Quote: Vanek
          And yet the topic is not disclosed

          Hello Ivan! Read the article on gold and the whole topic will be revealed. NO MONEY wink
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 February 2013 06: 50
        +2
        Quote: older
        And here, in my opinion, a bummer ... There is no money to swim in the Mediterranean

        Hi Everyone!
        As for the breakdown, that's for sure laughing
        04:17 (Moscow time) | Radio Voice of Russia
        The United States, in order to save, leaves only one aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf
        The US military command decided to reduce the presence of the U.S. Navy in the Gulf and leave there only one aircraft carrier. The last couple of years in this region there have been at least two carrier groups of US ships.
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 7 February 2013 06: 55
          +1
          Quote: older
          became unbearable


          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          .NO MONEY


          The topic is fully disclosed. smile

          I’ll go and read a little gold.

          By the way, Romanov hi
        2. YARY
          YARY 7 February 2013 07: 40
          +2
          Alexander good afternoon!
          We wish we had such a crisis that, in order to save money, we would leave "just one aircraft carrier" somewhere !!!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 February 2013 08: 13
            +5
            Quote: Ardent
            We wish we had such a crisis that, in order to save money, we would leave "just one aircraft carrier" somewhere!

            Hi Andrew! We don’t need a crisis, now they plan to leave Just one, but the crisis will start and they will not find money sending a lousy boat. There should be stability. But not uncontrolled growth. Greed does not bring good hi
            1. YARY
              YARY 7 February 2013 12: 58
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              Alexander
              It is a pity that the letters do not convey irony. I thought you would understand.
          2. iSpoiler
            iSpoiler 7 February 2013 11: 31
            -1
            Here I am absolutely in solidarity with you ..
            +
      3. Skiff
        Skiff 7 February 2013 09: 31
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        Until the new ships are put into operation, it is important to gain experience in combat services, train crews and commanders, and train specialists in the repair and maintenance of equipment for permanent work. And this is exactly what is being done.
    2. YARY
      YARY 7 February 2013 07: 37
      +1
      Vanya good day!

      This is not a hint; everything is said in plain text.
      The current is still lacking in strength, so I would see a revival.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 7 February 2013 07: 40
        +3
        Quote: Ardent
        good afternoon!


        And you hi

        Quote: Ardent
        to see a rebirth.


        And don’t talk. They would hurry up already.
        1. Armata
          Armata 7 February 2013 08: 32
          +5
          Hello to all. That's all so enthusiastically shout about the Russian fist in the Mediterranean. And you think about the fact that in order to create it we had to assemble the ships of the 3 fleets. This is how to consider it necessary ?. The Yankees do not have money but there are ships. Russia didn’t really have any money, and there was a problem with ships. Repaired Verkhoturye how many passes? 10-15 years? He by that time is morally obsolete. And if you look at the latest pace of construction, then they will prepare a maximum shift for him, but to build up, I am tormented by vague doubts.
          1. Sokol peruna
            Sokol peruna 7 February 2013 08: 56
            +2
            Mechanic
            Repaired Verkhoturye how many passes? 10-15 years?

            What 10 years old uv. Mechanic. belay He had VTG with an extension of the overhaul period of 3,5 years. In 2016, it will be written off.
            But if you look at the latest pace of construction, then they will prepare a maximum shift for him, but to build up, I am tormented by vague doubts.

            Especially when you consider that most of the ships of the Navy of the Russian Federation have already reached the standard service life.
            1. gispanec
              gispanec 7 February 2013 10: 46
              -1
              Quote: Sokol Peruna
              He had VTG with an extension of the overhaul period of 3,5 years. In 2016, it will be written off.

              minus you because you shout without knowing the materiel ..... not 3.5 but 5 years .... and this is a significant difference for a nuclear missile carrier .... and I ask without sarcasm
              1. Sokol peruna
                Sokol peruna 7 February 2013 11: 25
                +2
                Without sarcasm. It may make sense to check the information you have.

                SHIP REPAIR CENTER "ZVEZDOCHKA" HAVE HELD TO THE FLEET RPKSN "VERKHOTUR'E"

                The act of transfer to the Navy after the restoration of the technical readiness of the Verkhoturye strategic missile submarine cruiser (SSBN) was signed on December 30, 2012 in Severodvinsk.

                The submarine's ship repair center docked in August 2010 after the overhaul period expired. After the withdrawal from the boathouse in March 2012, work to restore technical readiness was continued afloat.
                In November-December 2012, the factory commissioning team and the crew of the missile carrier successfully carried out a factory sea trials program. The service life of the updated submarine is extended by 3,5 years.
                In July of this year, the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center handed over to the Novomoskovsk RPKSN naval fleet, thereby completing the cycle of the first factory repairs of strategic missile carriers of Project 667BDRM. The experience gained during the execution of these works allowed to complete the work on restoring the technical readiness of the parent "Dolphin" - SSBN "Verkhoturye, with which the Yagra shipbuilders opened the cycle of the second factory repairs of these strategic submarines. Currently, work is underway at the shipyard of the Center for Ship Repair to restore technical readiness and extend the service life of the next cruiser of Project 667BDRM - SSBN Yekaterinburg.
                Currently, 6 submarine missile carriers of this project are part of the naval nuclear deterrence forces of Russia.

                http://www.star.ru/index.php?page=979
    3. Zubr
      Zubr 7 February 2013 09: 53
      +1
      IN MY MIND THERE WILL BE A NATO FLEET PRESENCE BUT NOT NECESSARILY AMERICAN. AMERICA NOW THREATENS GOS. BANKRUPTCY. SUCH FORCES REQUIRED A LOT OF FUNDS. CONSIDERING THAT THEY ARE FIRMLY BONDED IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND THERE A HUGE FUNCTION OF FUNDS EATS UP, PLUS THE EUROPEAN PRO. THEM NOW WILL HAVE MORE NATIONAL ECONOMIC PROBLEMS. AMERICA PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDS THAT LOOTING OUT SUCH A MILITARY VEHICLE LIKE THEM, WITH THEIR DEBTS, IS QUITE PROBLEMATIC. RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE NOT LETTING THEM INTO SYRIA, THEY HAVE HANDED POWER TO ISRAEL AND TURKEY TO SUPPORT THE "REBELS". NOW THEM IS BREAKING AN INTERNAL POLITICAL CRISIS. PLANKU GOS. THE DEBT TEMPORARILY REMOVED GOT THAT HALF OF THE STATES DECIDED TO LEAVE THE STATE. THIS IS A VERY BIG PROBLEM.
      THEY TOO TOO PLAYED IN THE WAR! hi
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 7 February 2013 14: 24
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        It seems to write everything correctly, but this caps spoils everything (((
    4. vadimus
      vadimus 7 February 2013 11: 25
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      And the fleet needs to be strengthened and also urgently! This was and is the pillar of Russia, well, a way of influencing hotheads far from their native shores ....
    5. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 7 February 2013 16: 56
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      @ Although the American aircraft carrier and escort ships left the Mediterranean Sea, the NATO Navy retains sufficient forces in the region to support the ground operation. @

      So it's too early to rejoice. Their ships in the Mediterranean are like fleas in a lousy dog. SO: The presence of the Russian fleet in this region will be permanent! For the Americans just do not leave alone the region ....
  2. PARTISAN
    PARTISAN 7 February 2013 06: 19
    +2
    "Unlike in the past, not only ships and submarines that are in service, but also those that have long been withdrawn into reserve, are undergoing scheduled repairs and modernization." This is good news!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 February 2013 06: 54
      0
      Quote: PARTISAN

      "Unlike in the past, not only ships and submarines are undergoing scheduled repair and modernization,

      Yes, there is such a thing.
      vpk-news.ru - The Verkhoturye strategic missile submarine cruiser (SSBN) became part of the Northern Fleet's submarine forces after repairs at the Zvyozdochka Ship Repair Center shipyard, head of the Northern Fleet press service, Captain 1st Rank Vadim Serga, said on Wednesday.
  3. older
    older 7 February 2013 06: 22
    +1
    It’s nice to read a military man ... Without water, almost every word is clear and deed ... As a report on the fulfillment of a task. Young sailors!
  4. PARTISAN
    PARTISAN 7 February 2013 06: 24
    0
    "Combat", "Stormy", "Rapid", "Fearless", "Thundering", "Restless" - all these EMs of the 956th project, should soon undergo modernization and return to service !!!
    1. Sokol peruna
      Sokol peruna 7 February 2013 06: 53
      +2
      Half of the ships from the list that you have already written off.
      "Combat" was decommissioned in 2010.
      "Quick" was finally decommissioned 2012
      "Thundering" (formerly "Unrestrained") was decommissioned at the end of 2012.
      On the EM "Burny", which the author considers actually repaired, the work was actually stopped back in 2009 after the bankruptcy of Dalzavod.
      Anyway, modernization 956 is an unhealthy fantasy. He will hold 3 naval destroyers in the Navy and will be decommissioned by 2018.
      Harley's upgrade smiled too. This ship has long been a donor of spare parts for the 1155s running gear. So there is nothing to modernize there. Levchenko has sucked for a year, and he simply has nowhere to do the average. Waiting in line to leave for repairs at the Zvezdochka CS.
      1. nagual
        nagual 7 February 2013 12: 04
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        Do not guess!
        From an interview with Shlemov:
        - Will destroyers of the 956th project also be disposed of?
        - Not at all, we are repairing these ships, seven units are now in the combat structure of the Navy. Their technical readiness is maintained. For example, destroyer Pacific Fleet "Burny" was placed for renovation at "Dalzavod". The main power plant has already been repaired in the shops.
        They serve, are in operation, it is supposed to carry out repair of all ships of this project.
        http://old.rian.ru/interview/20120831/733747023.html#ixzz2KCKneN1J

        And, by the way, "Dalzavod" is acquiring new capacities, but not withering at all. It was merged with the 178th shipyard and is now intensively modernizing production sites.
        1. Sokol peruna
          Sokol peruna 7 February 2013 12: 22
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          From an interview with Shlemov:
          - Will destroyers of the 956th project also be disposed of?
          - Not at all, we are repairing these ships, seven units are now in the combat structure of the Navy.


          I read this interview. And how does she explain the write-off of the Unrestrained EM 01.12.2012.

          Their technical readiness is maintained. For example, the destroyer of the Pacific Fleet Burny was placed for repairs at Dalzavod. The main power plant has already been repaired in the shops.

          You really are my God. laughing This decade will enter the company?
          1. nagual
            nagual 7 February 2013 12: 45
            0
            Quote: Sokol Peruna
            And how does she explain the write-off of the Unrestrained EM 01.12.2012.

            Didn't know that "Thundering" was written off crying If they started shaking up the reserve again, they are probably really looking at what can be restored and what is already gone?
            Quote: Sokol Peruna
            This decade will enter the company?

            Why not? As far as I know, in general, all 956s were going to be written off. But when it became clear that the Mistrals needed security, they decided to repair it. New ones are unknown when they will come up. Vaughn, "Gorshkov" in April will only go to the mooring lines, but should have been a year ago.
            PS: And about the times, then you should compare in order. The understanding of what and how is changing depends on this. You do not say that the question of updating the fleet was posed in the same way as under Yeltsin? But with the Brezhnev era, the shipbuilding program can be compared - I agree. Only adjusted for the destruction of the Union and the loss of Ukrainian shipbuilding capacities.
            1. Sokol peruna
              Sokol peruna 7 February 2013 15: 25
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              nagual
              Why not? As far as I know, they were going to write off all 956s. But when it became clear that the Mistrals needed security, they decided to repair it.

              As far as I know, it was decided to assign Project 1164 to the Mistral guard. At the end of the middle "Marshal Ustinov" will go to reinforce the Pacific Fleet.
              For the repair of the 956s, everything is in a fog. Last year, at the maritime forums, I came across several times with info that in the fall of 2012 "Restless" will go for repairs to the Severnaya Verf. But he still stands in Baltiysk. Shlemov railed about the repair of the Burny shipyard, but according to rumors, after the bankruptcy of Dalzavod, about 1000 shipbuilders resigned from it. Most of them went to work in the northwestern GCC and SRZ.

              New ones are unknown when they will come up. Vaughn, "Gorshkov" in April will only go to the mooring lines, but should have been a year ago.

              Early 2015 will not see the Pacific Fleet in the course of new warships.

              PS: And about the times, then you should compare in order. The understanding of what and how is changing depends on this. You do not say that the question of updating the fleet was posed in the same way as under Yeltsin?

              If you objectively look at the quantitative replenishment of the fleet in the "Yeltsin" and "Putin" periods, then they are approximately equal. In each of these periods, the Navy included about 30 submarines, ships and boats. In terms of displacement, the Yeltsin fleet at times surpasses Putin's, but it was created from the Soviet reserve, when the flywheel of the red car had not stopped yet. Part of Putin's fleet is Yeltsin's long-term construction.
              But in general, shipbuilding in the Russian Federation certainly develops. You look after a couple of three years can reach the planned construction time.

              But with the Brezhnev era, the shipbuilding program can be compared - I agree. Only adjusted for the destruction of the Union and the loss of Ukrainian shipbuilding capacities.


              And that in the Russian Federation they adopted a full-fledged shipbuilding program?
              1. nagual
                nagual 7 February 2013 16: 46
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                Quote: Sokol Peruna
                As far as I know in the protection of the Mistral, it was decided to entrust the cruiser pr.1164.

                One of the "Mistral" will go all the same to the Black Sea Fleet, will be based in the Temryuk region, repaired either in Novorossiysk or in Tuapse. There will be what diverse groups are made up of. Ustinov will indeed go to the Pacific Fleet, but his tasks have never been protection, and anti-submarine operations. Air defense compounds - yes. Support for amphibious operations ... perhaps, given what the Basalts are changing for. But for the main function, he himself needs protection. I am sure that even Vysotsky understood this. And taking into account the terms of the overhaul of the BDK and the commissioning of new ones, it turns out that you can’t do without the 956s ... well, at least until they start riveting 22350 like hot cakes laughing
                Quote: Sokol Peruna
                Early 2015 will not see the Pacific Fleet in the course of new warships.

                Serious - will not see. On trifles will be, here “Thundering” now the 20380th will be called. Still have to repair. And at the Dalzavod they will nevertheless expand the capacities of at least 178 shipyards:
                “During the reconstruction, it is planned to build a promenade for the repair of Mistral-type helicopter carriers, create a diesel submarine repair center with a boathouse and synchro-lift with a carrying capacity of 5 tons, commission a floating dock with a carrying capacity of 000 tons, reconstruct dry dock No. 35 with a shelter for all-weather operation , the press service of the administration of Primorye "

                http://www.newsvl.ru/vlad/2012/04/11/98491/#ixzz1rjZWfy9M
                Quote: Sokol Peruna
                If you objectively look at the quantitative replenishment of the fleet in the "Yeltsin" and "Putin" periods

                If objectively, then under Yeltsin they managed to finish what they started back in the Union. Now new programs, new projects, new weapons systems, expansion of shipbuilding capacities. You can kick for what comes with a creak and does not go out like the classics - “money in the morning, chairs in the evening”. But here it is useful to recall all the Soviet shipbuilding epics - was the Soviet Fleet built smoothly and quickly? The main thing is that these programs exist and new ships are being built. We’ll talk about tonnage closer to 2020.
                Quote: Sokol Peruna
                And that in the Russian Federation they adopted a full-fledged shipbuilding program?

                Yes, in 2006 it was approved by the Maritime Board ... in the College, however, there are a lot of all kinds of strange personalities. Yes, and the program is reviewed several times a year. But "Mistral" appeared precisely after the industry issued approximate terms and necessary funds for its own DVKD, which is in this program. Then they realized that we’ll wait until about 2026, and decided to take it from the French, especially since a good opportunity with a space center in Kourou turned up.
                Sincerely.
  5. shoroh
    shoroh 7 February 2013 07: 24
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    In fact, the resource of the Soviet legacy is coming to an end, which cannot but scare, but I don’t think that we will be left without ships at all. The experience of modernization of wikramadding indicates that the industry has retained the ability to work with the most complex objects and tasks. Five years will pass and, instead of veterans, new ships will enter the system.
  6. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 February 2013 07: 51
    +1
    And for me - a good article. When an author writes
    the composition of the naval group involved in the exercises was simply not able to fulfill the training tasks that were practiced in them. For example, anti-submarine defense missions were practiced by an insufficient composition of surface ships for its success

    He is absolutely right. The number of our fleets ... these are tears.
    That is precisely why such exercises should be carried out as much as possible - with the understanding that if something happens, one ship will have to fight for two, or even 3 ships, needed to complete the task. Thanks to the dashing 90 and the merry 2000
  7. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 7 February 2013 08: 09
    +1
    Unfortunately, the result of the exercises is one. Russia has only one battle-worthy fleet and it consists of ships assembled from all seas.
    1. ups
      ups 7 February 2013 09: 09
      +1
      I do not think Amerov, who else can collect a similar grouping, nor who. And do not forget about our submarine fleet, which also objects.
    2. Stiletto
      Stiletto 7 February 2013 09: 17
      0
      The main thing is that he is. And the understanding that it is necessary and, therefore, will be. This alone is already worth a lot.
  8. Nymp
    Nymp 7 February 2013 09: 22
    +3
    The author dropped; -Down and Out trouble started! I support, it's high time. We (Russia) stayed without big campaigns with great political resonance. And then one took place! Congratulations to all Russians - compatriots! drinks
  9. dmitreach
    dmitreach 7 February 2013 09: 32
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    Well, okay! Well, nice! long harnessed ...
  10. Fornit
    Fornit 7 February 2013 10: 26
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    Sorry, not some flood, BUT! To keep silent about this is impossible ...
    Quote: Zubr
    HAVE REACHED THAT HALF OF THE STATES DECIDED TO EXIT FROM THE STATE

    This is again, as usual, an effective move ... The States will come out, then they will default, and all the states, separately, they say, are out of business ... Whose fancies are the USA (to be precise, the US Federal Reserve System)? - so ask them! And how everything settles down - again like a referendum and, accordingly, unification. Like the T1000 robot in The Terminator. And with the naked eye you can see that this dirty trick is being prepared exactly like the abolition of the gold equivalent of the dollar ... They will not be Yankees if someone is not shod with shoes ... (and preferably all at once!)
    By topic - I think that the article is so-so ... No specifics ... Water on jelly ... Although something has already been highlighted ... Plus, nevertheless, set ...
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 7 February 2013 10: 39
      +2
      Quote: Fornit
      On the topic - I think that the article is so-so ... No specifics ... Water on jelly ...
      What exactly is not specific? In the exercises? Where is more specific? Is it that these exercises had a political impact on the Syrian issue by force? Well, you know, one can doubt it either deeply apolitical (read not competent) person, or stupid. Or is it that for the first time after the Union such large-scale performances of our fleet? What specifics are you waiting for?
      1. Sokol peruna
        Sokol peruna 7 February 2013 11: 18
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        Nymp
        Is it that these exercises had a political impact on the Syrian issue by force?

        Well, and what impact did these exercises have on changing the situation in Syria.

        Or is it that for the first time after the Union such large-scale performances of our fleet?

        Yes, we have shouted about any exercises of the Navy that they are the largest and largest and have not been held since the days of the USSR. For example, at the Pacific Fleet this year, much larger exercises were held in which more than 40 warships and submarines took part. Moreover, the forces of one Pacific Fleet.
        1. Nymp
          Nymp 7 February 2013 11: 38
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          1) On the eve of the Pentagon kites mussed over the topic of military pressure on the Syrian authorities (the best option was: - by the wrong hands) The Russian fleet is a very serious obstacle to these plans. (I don’t even want to argue)
          2) In Yeltsin times, such a trip to the sea was considered fiction. I do not share your discontent.
          1. Sokol peruna
            Sokol peruna 7 February 2013 11: 53
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            1) On the eve of the Pentagon kites mussed over the topic of military pressure on the Syrian authorities (the best option was: - by the wrong hands) The Russian fleet is a very serious obstacle to these plans. (I don’t even want to argue)

            But now there is not a single Russian warship near Syria. Only PM-56 in Tartus. Yes, and while the Combined Squadron was there, NATO calmly transported Petriot air defense systems on transports.

            2) In Yeltsin times, such a trip to the sea was considered fiction.

            And where does the Yeltsin time?
            1. nagual
              nagual 7 February 2013 12: 07
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              Quote: Sokol Peruna
              And where does the Yeltsin time?

              While everything is relative wink
              1. Sokol peruna
                Sokol peruna 7 February 2013 12: 31
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                nagual
                While everything is relative wink

                Well, you can compare not only with Yeltsinsky but also with Brezhnevsky. laughing
          2. Sokol peruna
            Sokol peruna 7 February 2013 12: 07
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            On the eve of the Pentagon kites exaggerated the theme of military pressure on the Syrian authorities (the best option was: - by proxy)
            The Russian fleet is a very serious obstacle to these plans. (I don’t even want to argue)

            But there are no warships of the Russian Federation near Syria. Only the PM-56 remained in Tartus. But even when the combined squadron was near Syria than it prevented, for example, the transfer to Turkey of the SAM Petriot.

            In Yeltsin times, such a trip to the sea was considered fiction.

            Well, those days are long over. But even now, the Russian Federation does not have the opportunity for a permanent presence in the Mediterranean Sea.
  11. Strategy
    Strategy 7 February 2013 10: 31
    +4
    Very good, balanced article. At the moment, she removes all the questions:
    1. Incomplete GRUS? - But management issues have been worked out, and most importantly, interactions.
    2. Will the resource be "eaten up"? - After all, they will still eat at the walls, "it's better than vodka and colds!"
    3. The management system was reformed without taking into account experience? - So we gain experience, and it’s good that in peacetime!
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    Most importantly, we are restoring (albeit little by little) our presence in the oceans. Thanks to the author!
  12. Natalia
    Natalia 7 February 2013 16: 57
    +1
    Russian Navy 2017, somewhere in the Barents Sea.