Children's question: between America and Russia

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Children's question: between America and RussiaNot so long ago, in January, the so-called “march against scoundrels” took place in Moscow. The action was dedicated to the protests against the “law of Dima Yakovlev”. We deliberately refer to democratic sources: according to "BBC", in the procession participated from 20 to 30 thousands of people. The procession stretched for a mile. Protesters opposed the law prohibiting adoption of Russian orphans by Americans. According to the Moscow police, 9,5 thousand people took part in the march. Opposition leaders claim 30-50 thousands. In short, a little less than a million.

The leader of the “Left Front” Sergei Udaltsov, who led the left column of the procession, told the BBC correspondent:

“This is a great success of the entire civil movement, the opposition in particular. We have refuted the myth that the protest activity of the population has disappeared, that now the authorities can do whatever they please. There were more 50 thousand, and, given the frost and the New Year holidays, this is an excellent result. ”


Oppositionist Ilya Yashin also rejoiced at a large number of protesters:

“From Trubnaya to Passion Boulevard is completely filled with people. There are definitely more 50 thousands of us, ” сообщил He is in his microblog.


Forgive Yashin his tautology, and read about what grade "excellent results" given LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky. According to his opinion given on the party’s website, holding actions with such slogans as the “march against scoundrels” is unacceptable. The LDPR Chairman noted that Russian children are talented, and giving up growing intellectual wealth to America is a typical occupation for the “fifth column”:

“In America, 700 has thousands of its orphans. Why don't these American families take their orphans? Why do they need an alien child with an alien language and an alien civilization? And why do you want to send our children there? After all, you do not call the main reason. Not because in America children with various diseases are better treated. Because Russian children are the most talented. Orphans are full in Bulgaria, in Poland. But where are the Polish designers? Where are the Polish airplanes? Where are the space systems? That is why the fifth column is fighting - to take our intellect to America. ”


At the same time, the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party reported 3 millions of cases of violence per year occurring in American families. He further said that Americans need Russian blood. After all, if “we take away all the children from Russia, then in America they will have their Kurchatovs, their chelomeas.” The LDPR Chairman concluded that all Russian children should be “in our country”.

On January 30, the Central Investigation Department of the Russian Federation Inspectorate inspected and opened a criminal case against US citizen Shed Traylor on the fact of sexual assault against a person under the age of fourteen years - or rather, his adopted son Maxim Babayev. It is not difficult to guess that the boy is from Russia.

Caleb Maxim Treylor, 2006, was born the one whom, before moving to the USA, was called Maxim Babayev, - was adopted Americans Shedon Traylor and his spouse Christy Rine in March 2009 of the year.

In 2009-2011 the adoptive father committed sexual assault against the adopted son. In 2009, the boy was three years old!

About this abomination became known only in 2012 year. A couple of rapists appeared before a US court. They were accused of "committing physical violence". Shedon Trailor was punished for five years, but "conditionally", and his wife was given a year - and also "conditionally."

Physical abuse is not the same as sexual abuse. The RF IC noted that the accusation of having committed sexual assault of a sexual nature against the child was not brought against his adoptive father, and the circumstances of the crime were not investigated. Now the Investigative Committee plans to send the necessary requests for legal assistance to the US competent authorities.

Chairman of the IC of Russia Alexander Bastrykin himself call American adoptive parents "pseudo-parents".

The case with American adoptions reached the point that later, February 4, Comrade Bastrykin wrote invited US Attorney General Eric Holder to visit Russia.

The letter said that during the visit it was planned to discuss the course of investigation of cases of violence against Russian children in American families, since now Russia is investigating criminal cases opened on the facts of the use of violence against 13 by young Russians. The text said:

“Considering the bilateral interest in solving these problems and the agreements reached earlier, let me invite you to make a working visit to the Russian Federation at any time convenient for you to discuss the current situation and possible ways to resolve it.”


Sergey Chumarev, Senior Counselor of the Russian Embassy in Washington, рассказал the details of the case 6-year-old Maxim Babayev. He told Golos Rossii that the embassy staff was struck by the attitude of the Okrug authorities towards the Russian representatives who came to clarify the situation. The embassy staff appealed to five different offices: from the office of the prosecutor to the management of the archives of the district sheriff. Everywhere there was mistrust, everywhere they gave out a minimum of information, and for money. Chumarev said that “when we blacked out with a black felt-tip pen, all the data and all the essential information about this case”.

Lyubov Kuryanova, a columnist for Voice of Russia, identifies two main myths about American adoption of Russian children.

First, the wide circulation among the masses has the speculation that unhappy Russian children will be much better in America than in their poor homeland. But the recent tragic cases indicate the opposite: the American child's American father forgot in a car, and the child suffocated. The other boy was beaten. Third strangled. Is this a happy American childhood?

The second myth immediately turns on: in America there are strict laws and there will be no mercy for the criminal. But for some reason Themis divides children into "their" and "alien". Not otherwise, peeping through the bandage!

In many cases, when unlawful acts are allowed against children born in Russia, the journalist notes, American parents receive two or three-year terms. Or do get off with a fine and community service. Moreover, the statistics of recent years proves that the guilty otzhizhivayut hardly half the time.

Sergey Chumarev believes that the demand for white children is very high in the USA. He recalls that in the United States about 100 thousands of children are not adopted (according to official data, they are waiting for adoption). Only every second child finds a new family. Chumarev speaks of a huge number of legal obstacles. That is why, he notes, the adoption of children from Russia and other countries of the former USSR is of great importance for American adoptive parents and agencies involved in business in this area.

But the American look (Gennady Wilner, Echo of Moscow blog):

“... Any help can be freely obtained from social services. The fact that America hides information about adopted children is a lie. They do not divide children into relatives and non-relatives, separate statistics are not kept, all relatives, such a rule. Meeting children up to 16 years with strangers is possible only with the consent of the parents. This is natural for any family, even in Russia, even in Angola. ”


Another look (Alisa Krutovskaya, Voice of America):

“Suffice to say that in 2008, in Russia, 1700 children were killed by parents, guardians or closest relatives, and from January to September, 2009 was more than 500. In the 2008 year, 130 Russian babies were killed by their mothers. ”


We will not idealize the motherland. Not so long ago, I brought to the "IN" fragments from a terrible collection of facts about the death of Russian children in Russia, collected by journalists. Interfax. All the tragedies they described happened in only one 2012 year.

11 December A drunken resident of the Volgograd region beat an 6-year-old stepson to death: beat him, hit his head against a wall, and then tried to revive him by burning his body with a cigarette lighter. On November 12, the Moscow City Court sentenced a Muscovite addict to 16 years of strict regime. He beat to death the 11-month-old child of cohabitant - "for the fact that he often cried." 7 November a resident of Syzran threw her newborn son in a trash can, gagging his mouth. On November 1, a drunken resident of the Chelyabinsk region killed a seven-year-old daughter with a ladle when she saw that she was peeing in pantyhose.

These are just a few examples.

But the matter is not in them and not in the number of deaths per thousand and thousands of “happy destinies” that the same Americans often try to operate with. No one is able to figure out what happens to the child, stay in Russia or go to America.

Today one thing is clear: America is not a solid Disneyland. There, as well as in a free tolerant Europe (read about Britain and France), homosexual parents quite often come across, marijuana is legalized there, there is a conditional term for violence against a small child (three years old). It's like a lottery: it’s not known if you will pull out a lucky ticket, but you have a lot of chances to lose ...

The farther into the forest, the more firewood, popular wisdom says. Americans have already broken a lot of firewood. Probably, the accelerated pace of the “cold war” will lead to a further “freezing” of relations between the Russian Federation and the United States, if not to the restoration of the “iron curtain” through effective mechanisms of Comrade Onishchenko, sensible propaganda and further liberation from dollar economic dependence. USA today if hegemon, then decrepit, and the rules of the game change. If America does not want to listen to change, then this is its future grief, not Russia.

The fact that Russian children will not go to America (by the way, now there is also a discussion about the refusal of adoption by the French - if the deputies in Paris accept the provision in the law on gay marriage allowing homosexual adoption), it does not mean will find happiness here in Russia. We are not perfect, and we know it. We will try to fix it. It is not true that in Russia from year to year it is getting worse and worse, and that the entire population of the country, including the elderly and children, will soon die out due to the fault of a totalitarian government steeped in corruption. There are, of course, enough problems in the country: Russia is not the island of Utopia, invented by More. But this is no reason to give the children to America. Thirteen criminal cases initiated against American rapists are more than enough to not give. It would be enough one case.

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    1. Nymp
      +12
      7 February 2013 08: 33
      How do liars close their throats? (all the more so paid and fed by the State Department) No way, these nonsense pugs will bark until the elephant steps on them and crushes them. angry
      1. YARY
        +6
        7 February 2013 09: 17
        Political prostitute loafers and scumbags. The only measure for them was felling.
        1. +3
          7 February 2013 10: 49
          Quote: Ardent
          Political prostitute loafers and scumbags. The only measure for them was felling.
          Radicalism again lol Everyone has the right to their opinion. But society must express its attitude to this inanimacy ... If there are political prostitutes, then they should know that we perceive them precisely as prostitutes ... nothing more ...
          1. +12
            7 February 2013 12: 57
            Quote: domokl
            Radicalism again lol Everyone has the right to an opinion

            Yes, everyone, but here’s the mystery - why is the point of view of liberals and Tolerasts like them sucked loudly and at all angles, and the point of view actual universal values ​​in an undertone, or in general is ridiculed by the same liberals.

            1. 0
              7 February 2013 15: 15
              I wonder who is stopping Kasparov, who so passionately hates Russia, from living quietly abroad.
            2. YARY
              +1
              7 February 2013 15: 56
              Everyone has the right to their opinion.

              And I had a left to their right!
              If there are no brains, do not talk!
              If you have brains, answer to people!
              Turma cries for them with burning tears!
        2. +6
          7 February 2013 12: 05
          Quote: Ardent
          Political prostitute loafers and scumbags. The only measure for them was felling.



          Physical labor in the fresh air, the regime, the absence of excesses, all this will allow them to safely meet old age and with a sense of accomplishment to go to the Solovetsky stone as "victims of political repression".
          I don’t recognize you, Andrey, you have become too tolerant bully
          1. YARY
            +5
            7 February 2013 12: 31
            Stanislav good day!
            It seems to me or everyone already represents me like this -
            1. YARY
              +3
              7 February 2013 12: 35
              I'm certainly not a dime .....
              But the "good" is not to be lost, is it? Huy work off the evil done to their country. 18 working hours, "political information" amateur performance.
              For life.
              1. +3
                7 February 2013 12: 54
                YARY,

                Andrey, I'm not a reproach, so in terms of flooding .. In any case, the word WORKING is more associated with the orders BLOW (object, area common to all). And of course sunny Magadan will always gladly accept these "passengers"
        3. 0
          7 February 2013 15: 12
          It will not be enough! I offer mines, preferably uranium!
          1. 0
            8 February 2013 07: 58
            I support! )
      2. +1
        7 February 2013 09: 20
        Quote: Nymp
        How do liars close their throats?

        Like before-molten lead. It will be quiet for sure. Checked by time.
      3. +2
        7 February 2013 10: 02
        Quote: Nymp
        No way, these nonsense pugs will bark until the elephant steps on them and crushes them. angry
        A forceful resolution of the issue will give rise to new martyrs of conscience or human rights defenders .. It is clear that we have these abusive words, but why give the West the opportunity to speculate with them ... The adoption of the Law is a very beautiful and powerful move ...
        And 20-30000 is a man for Moscow, it’s nothing ... Someone who has paid the same people go buzzing ... We went through this in the 90's, when the grandmothers and grandfathers of the Communist Party defended ...
        1. Atlon
          +5
          7 February 2013 10: 30
          Quote: older
          Forceful resolution of the issue will give rise to new martyrs of conscience or human rights defenders ..

          That's right! And although emotionally I myself often remember the alpenstock, I understand intellectually that there is no need to touch them. It is necessary to show their essence, disclose incriminating evidence, play off among themselves. the good news came yesterday. Bald idiot Udaltsov, they cleaned up his mug. Who cleaned that up? Yes "comrades-in-arms" of the National Bolsheviks! laughing And it's good that the "associates", the more unattractive the picture. And if "Nashi", it would be howling to heaven.
          In France, a law has already been passed, and a similar one is being considered in the UK. Therefore, it is necessary to amend the law on adoption.
          Well, the past march of scoundrels, just showed how many scoundrels we have personally.
          1. +2
            7 February 2013 10: 51
            Quote: Atlon
            the good news came yesterday. Bald idiot Udaltsov, they cleaned up his mug. Who cleaned that up? Yes "comrades-in-arms" of the National Bolsheviks! laughing
            Here is the answer to all these types of folk performances ... The people themselves, and the swamp itself ... Let them clean the hari more often ... laughing
          2. Indigo
            +7
            7 February 2013 10: 59
            Yes, we all understand this, but somehow we play the second number, then we catch up, then we make excuses, then we give some explanations in the back. It is time either to play the first number (there is no strength) or to send in public to x ... p and without giving any explanation to crush this fifth column in the bud. The country is much more expensive than a gang of permanent bald-burry revolutionaries .....
          3. Nymp
            0
            7 February 2013 11: 09
            Quote: Atlon
            Bald idiot Udaltsov, they cleaned up his mug. Who cleaned that up? Yes "comrades-in-arms" of the National Bolsheviks! laughing And it's good that the "associates", the more unattractive the picture.
            lol Please; Did Navalny accidentally get it from his "comrades-in-arms" - the grand-eaters? That would be great!
            1. Atlon
              +8
              7 February 2013 11: 19
              Quote: Nymp
              Please; Did Navalny accidentally get it from his "comrades-in-arms" - the grand-eaters?

              Not yet, but the swamp blogosphere seems to be shyly silent about this. But I saw a lot of interesting comments in the non-swamp blogosphere. This is where "people's love" manifested itself in all its glory yesterday! How many epithets, how many "interesting" expressions and statements. Indeed, it becomes clear HOW the people relate to these fucking ... bam laughing

              Who cares: http://blogs.yandex.ru/search.xml?cat=theme&id=635950&group=2





              1. Nymp
                +2
                7 February 2013 11: 30
                AtlonWell this guy begs for a long time! You are right that the comrades-in-arms made this act unsightly, and this is in the hands of the patriots of Russia! So this type already managed to bite his own !!! smile
              2. +2
                7 February 2013 12: 53
                A strange reaction in the media, about getting Udaltsov in the muzzles. What is not a sensation, I remember, and on smaller cases fanned the hype. And take the same march of "millions", because at the interruption they spread the numbers of the number of participants (taken from the air), about the "atrocities" of riot police (and not words about the atrocities of the crowd). And then look ka, "the most important genius" of the opposition got on the scoreboard (which he deserved for a long time) and silence. Apparently, at the personal request of Udaltsov himself, the media do not shout about this at all corners. It is understandable, it became dumb to Udaltsov, such an embarrassment. What the hell is he a "leader", since he could not stand up for himself. Bullshit he is bullshit, cheap.
                1. +2
                  7 February 2013 14: 44
                  The network immediately appeared in ifa, and the liberal "echo of Moscow" was silent in a rag !!
              3. +1
                8 February 2013 00: 00
                Good photos! And his face was r ... m smeared. Good! Itself would smear, but I sit far away.
                1. 0
                  8 February 2013 19: 55
                  Quote: Simon
                  Itself would smear, but I sit far away.

                  How do you get ready to join me with pleasure I will join, and not only me.
      4. +4
        7 February 2013 21: 46
        Guys, let’s drop a dozen bucks a month on the site, because it’s not so much.
        Can we solve this problem? There are several thousand of us !!!
        Let's create the fund of our site, maybe this will help our children?
        I am not an organizer, but I will support such an initiative, and I will help as far as possible.
        Organize, men !!!
        And then for the most part we only talk much.
        That will be the real deal for our country, and not just, excuse me, demagogy ...........
        1. Indigo
          +1
          7 February 2013 22: 12
          I AM FOR!!! I hope this initiative will find its understanding among all. Admins should discuss this idea as quickly as possible - but it will not rust behind us ...
          1. 0
            8 February 2013 07: 14
            Admins, really support !!!
    2. +2
      7 February 2013 08: 33
      To give children abroad is essentially a trade in the future of the country. They howl, but the fact that some scoundrels took away from their children a happy childhood in the USA only for distant individuals ala Novodvorskaya or those who earn money on this. Children born to Russian citizens must live in Russia.
      1. borisst64
        +2
        7 February 2013 09: 32
        Always causes heartburn when children are mixed into politics. I don’t see anything bad if a child is brought up in an American family. It’s bad when Russian officials, smelling money, don’t give the child to the Russian guardians, it’s bad when the children die of hunger from the parents of alcoholics, and it’s bad when the unfortunate guardians recruit children for payment.
        PS I recall the Paralympics, a girl with a disability - the champion, a receptionist from Russia, now a US citizen. In her interview, she thanks her American parents and sends her greetings to Russia.
      2. +2
        7 February 2013 10: 23
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        Giving children abroad is essentially a trade for the country's future
        Beautiful words ... Only in modern conditions, our state is not able to solve the problems of such children on its own ... We only declare that we are squealing about our love for children in general, but at least in our city every day in the advertising blocks of the local radio and television there is a social advertisement, people, a child urgently needs an operation, give someone as much as he can ...
        And if people don’t give as much as needed? The child will die ..
        So the state needs to stop talking, and allocate funds specifically for specific children, and not to organize another fund or ministry ...
        1. +4
          7 February 2013 10: 51
          Quote: older
          Beautiful words ... Only in modern conditions, our state is not able to solve the problems of such children on its own ... We only declare that we are squealing about our love for children in general, but at least in our city every day in the advertising blocks of the local radio and television there is a social advertisement, people, a child urgently needs an operation, give someone as much as he can ...
          And if people don’t give as much as needed? The child will die ..


          Criticizing is always easier. I’m not trying to fence off our state, but in the USA just like that, thanks, no one will do anything if you don’t have insurance.
          1. +6
            7 February 2013 12: 40
            Quote: Sakhalininets
            Criticizing is always easier. I’m not trying to fence off our state, but in the USA just like that, thanks, no one will do anything if you don’t have insurance.


            It's not about the children, just hiding behind the baby carriages, our "fifth column" held another paid pro-American rally. The stupidity and thieving of our officials and deputies is well known to everyone, some laws that are adopted to work out a political order or to imitate vigorous activity already resemble American laws (for example, on the prohibition of the stomping of cats at night). Any reason is good, the main thing is to provoke "street activity" capable of turning into the chaos of the "Orange Revolution" It was all already in history and the political and ethnic composition of the participants is the same and the slogans are almost the same. The owners are the same, only then in 1917 everything turned into a final chaos and tragedy civil war, now so far only spills out into farce. While this is a farce ... but they are always ready to lead and lead, good now they do not need to be taken by boat from America like Trotsky, they are all here quite legalized and built into politics and the media.



            Here they are the commissars and ideologists of the future "Orange Revolution", the newly minted Trotsky and Sverdlov

            1. phantom359
              0
              8 February 2013 02: 12
              Ascetic, Flip the flag carefully and push it into the point, and then send it for permanent residence in the USA, without the right to return.
      3. -2
        7 February 2013 10: 54
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        Children born to Russian citizens must live in Russia.
        In this proposal, the main word to LIVE and not to exist, which our system dooms the disabled. The state needs to create conditions when people with disabilities would become full-fledged people, and not beings living on state penny handouts ...
      4. 0
        8 February 2013 05: 06
        I met dozens of children Adopted by American parents who give them everything possible and most importantly parental love ... and many of these children are disabled! And they really adopt sick Children, sometimes with such diagnoses that they don’t shine in their life besides the home of the disabled. It's always easier to criticize, but how many children have you adopted? And do any of those who have a discussion have a desire to adopt a child? Weak? This is worst when children are mixed into politics!
        1. 0
          8 February 2013 05: 55
          Quote: Ols76
          I met dozens of children Adopted by American parents who give them everything possible and most importantly parental love.

          Yeah they give, what kind of love is sexual, children often die from such care. Or are such cases in your comments not recommended by the US deportation?
          Quote: Ols76
          And they really adopt sick Children

          In Russia, the children of sick people are adopted at times more than the Americans did. Yes, and then in the USA there are a lot of orphans, so adopt them !!!
          Quote: Ols76
          It's always easier to criticize, but how many children have you adopted?

          How many have you adopted? Or weak?
          Quote: Ols76
          This is worst when children are mixed into politics!

          And even worse, when murderers and rapists of children evade criminal liability or receive suspended sentences. So sit in your \ Michigan or wherever you are and enjoy democracy.
        2. +1
          8 February 2013 12: 02
          Quote: Ols76
          And do any of those who have a discussion have a desire to adopt a child? Weak? This is worst when children are mixed into politics!

          How many have you adopted yourself to criticize? Or send your child for adoption to another country - what is in the way? He will be better there ...
          Or do you think. that we don’t adopt children at all? They told you so?
          Can we weigh on the same scales the cured patients and the healthy killed and raped? Sorry, but you are talking nonsense.
          In the States, that there are few of their sick and miserable, what do you need to bring from Russia?
    3. -30
      7 February 2013 08: 34
      It may sound wild, but let every hundred die there, but the rest of the 99 will live a normal human life than the whole hundred will survive in Russia. Especially for seriously ill children
      1. Pit
        Pit
        +3
        7 February 2013 08: 39
        Quote: RedDragoN
        live a normal human life

        Judging by the latest news, it will soon begin to live even more fun than ours in the 90s and a normal human life will start oh soon. So your words really sound wild.
      2. +6
        7 February 2013 08: 44
        not a fact that 99 will live there curly, oh not a fact
        1. 0
          7 February 2013 10: 30
          Quote: kostyan77708
          not a fact that 99 will live there curly, oh not a fact
          I agree .. Only one of them will receive qualified medical care ... Will become a full member of society .. What can never be achieved for people with disabilities in Russia ... Do you see a lot of wheelchairs on the street? But these are also people ...
          Stop whining already .. The government should make our children happy .. It’s better if they stay
      3. Vanek
        +8
        7 February 2013 08: 47
        Quote: RedDragoN
        every hundredth


        As if "curly" did not live, it is better at home, at home.
        1. +4
          7 February 2013 09: 53
          Probably few people know about this, but there is a region where the ban on adoption by US citizens has been in force since 2005. this Kurgan region happened after a couple from America came to one of the orphanages with a desire to adopt immediately 11! but only four received permission from the orphans, after which the couple with the children left for America, but after a few months all four appeared in their orphanage, it turned out that the adoptive parents simply could not calculate their strength and could not cope with the children and sent them back to Russia. If the leadership of the regions was interested in the welfare of the orphans, the Kurgan region would not be alone in this. It is surprising that there is silence in the media about this fact.
        2. +3
          7 February 2013 10: 32
          Quote: Vanek
          As if "curly" did not live, it is better at home, at home.
          My neighbor, after the accident, is sitting in a wheelchair at home, at home ... Only this same homeland was reduced for him to the size of an apartment and a TV ... From the 4 floor of the Khrushchev’s floor, it’s problematic to drive out, and it’s impossible to drive on the street ... belay
          1. Vanek
            0
            7 February 2013 10: 37
            Quote: older
            From 4 floors of Khrushchev it is problematic to drive out


            I think the same problem in the usa. With only one difference, there are no Khrushchevs.

            Sergei hi
          2. +3
            7 February 2013 10: 55
            Quote: older
            My neighbor, after an accident, sits in a wheelchair at home, in his homeland ..
            I repeat .. since the topic is really burning, the State MUST create conditions under which people with disabilities should become FULL members of society
      4. +2
        7 February 2013 09: 37
        Reddragon
        normal human life

        normal human life is, depending on why take the starting point!
        But for me, there’s nothing better than the Motherland
        1. Atlon
          +7
          7 February 2013 10: 36
          Adopting children abroad is against the constitution. For according to the constitution, Russia does not extradite its citizens abroad. Children are citizens of Russia, and since they are incapacitated (minors), I cannot make a decision myself. There is a contradiction. Extradition of Russian citizens abroad. The "wish" of children under the age of 16 is not legally legitimate. And then, desire can be provoked with fairy tales, gifts, and promises. A child (especially up to 10-12 years old) cannot imagine the complete picture, therefore he is legally incapacitated.
          1. Vanek
            +1
            7 February 2013 10: 41
            Quote: Atlon
            up to 10-12 years)


            Lishkanuli a bit. Years to 16-17 GENERALLY all on the drum. Judging by myself. Then he became interested in news - what is happening in the world.

            Paul hi
      5. Atlon
        +3
        7 February 2013 10: 32
        Reddragon, well, you scumbag ...
      6. +2
        7 February 2013 14: 59
        Yes, that sounds wild. Do you have children? And if so, why don't you give it to some American freak so that it turns out to be that hundredth.
        1. sorokin
          0
          7 February 2013 22: 29
          Quote: Lyokha79

          Yes, that sounds wild. Do you have children? And if so, why don't you give it to some American freak so that it turns out to be that hundredth.

          And you? But does any of the debaters have a desire to adopt a child? Here such: And? Amer adopt. The only competent step is the normal, constructive interaction of the guardianship agencies of Russia and the USA. Adoptors of children from the United States are people who have not passed a strict selection in America on the right to adopt an American child, it is not necessarily moral, although there are some. But they really adopt our Sick children, sometimes with such diagnoses that they are here to rot in a disabled person’s house to death. And there they are nursing. Unfortunately, we have a large percentage of adoptive parents pursuing mercantile interests - the allowance. And for the guardianship authorities, future parents are a tick in the magazine - there is no fume, there is housing, well, goodies - go choose a kid. What kind of pancake country do we have? Billionaires are a dime a dozen, and in orphans more and more.
          1. 0
            8 February 2013 06: 19
            Quote: Sorokin
            Adopters of children from the United States are people who have not passed a strict selection in their home country in America on the right to adopt an American child, it is not necessarily moral, although there are some
            Nothing in the phrase does not bother? !!!!! fool
            That is, we play Russian roulette, whether the child is lucky or not, isn’t there so many of us like that ?!
      7. Morli
        0
        7 February 2013 17: 16
        wake up, dear, look why the Indos need adopted Russian children "Homosexuals disfigure children" http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cQ07o7rpmpI
    4. +5
      7 February 2013 08: 40
      Quote from the article: Over 50 thousand came out, and given the frost and the New Year holidays, this is an excellent result. ”

      It perfectly characterizes Udaltsov and other "oppositionists", they don't care what and why, they don't care about "quality", they care about "quantity". The more people the more money they will receive. It's like in a pyramid scheme - "Bring a friend and get a bonus." And they wanted to spit on children, and indeed on Russia.
      How many media differ from prostitutes - nothing, the same applies to the "opposition". The one who pays is the one who dances the "lady." In confirmation, the quote: Udaltsov said in an interview with the BBC. We know who Udaltsov is, a person who has never worked and is not going to work in his life, and who is " BBC "- I already gave a comparison a little higher. What then can be a conversation with them?
      1. djon3volta
        +1
        7 February 2013 09: 47
        so it’s not in vain that in the USSR every jamming radio of America’s freedom and voices was jammed, and now they’re all open here. It’s a pity that Moscow does not echo the echo
        1. 0
          7 February 2013 14: 47
          In no case can you close the "echo" !! Enemies MUST KNOW IN FACE !!
    5. Vanek
      +2
      7 February 2013 08: 40
      Everywhere there was mistrust, everywhere they issued a minimum of information, and for the money.

      No comment.

      One thing would be enough.

      As always.

      Oleg hi
      1. +1
        7 February 2013 09: 28
        I fully agree with you
    6. 0
      7 February 2013 08: 46
      I agree one hundred percent! Yes, not everything is simple and correct here. But this does not give the right to squander our children. It is necessary to help families who adopt children by real methods. And sometimes they talk about help, but in reality they will give 100 rubles, and it seems that they gave 10 conversations.
    7. 0
      7 February 2013 08: 53
      It is not enough to adopt a law that we will not give children for adoption to the states or elsewhere. Unacceptably small. It is also necessary to pass a law that guarantees the preservation of children's health. And not only children, but also young mothers. Recently, in our city, the whole world raised money for the treatment of a young mother - she had cancer, there were small chances for treatment in Germany. Did not make it.
      And medicine, as you know, is expensive and you will have to pay for it. No wonder now there is a discussion of whether to introduce a tax on childlessness. I think the right measure.
    8. +15
      7 February 2013 09: 00
      Udaltsov, damn it, how did you get so sick. Not you daredevils, but scoundrels. Where can I look at those children whom you and your kodla made happy in Russia. Blah how tired he is.
      1. djon3volta
        0
        7 February 2013 09: 49
        here who had to splash with sulfuric acid was Udaltsov.
      2. +2
        7 February 2013 09: 52
        Yesterday he powerfully distinguished himself. PR on bones - bust.

        Not a fan of Limonov’s, but they broke Sergey’s work yesterday
      3. Vanek
        +14
        7 February 2013 10: 12
        Quote: artist-mamluk
        Blah how tired he is.
    9. +3
      7 February 2013 09: 04
      It is correctly stated in the article that they want to adopt in Russia because our children are treated like kittens somehow. In other countries, there is a more stringent procedure for adoption and control, and it’s a sin to hide children for money, turning a blind eye to a lot, this is a business, a highly profitable business, and the reaction of the American lobby in this regard is understandable. Yes, our children die, and we also commit sexual crimes against children, but most often this happens in families with low social status and blood relatives. And when adoptive parents from another country do this and were supposed to be checked up and down, it’s not going into any gates. Only here you can’t solve the issue by ban, now we need to solve the question of the lives of these children in our country
    10. +2
      7 February 2013 09: 53
      Good article. The author did not sing that everything was wonderful in the Russian Federation, he showed an objective picture. And in the USA he explained the pros and cons.
      Children are the future. Giving this future to other countries is not only stupid, but also criminal! On the other hand, isolated cases of adoption of children by foreigners are quite acceptable. But this requires complete control.
      In particular, children should not be sent to places where same-sex marriages and adoption are allowed by such pi ... "couples". In a word, you need a sober, clear, balanced approach to the problem.
      And even better - to create a situation in the country (legislative, financial, moral) in which parents will not abandon their children, and the state will qualitatively provide the existing orphans with everything necessary up to higher education!
      1. sorokin
        0
        7 February 2013 22: 48
        Quote: erased
        And even better, create a situation in the country (legislative, financial, moral) in which parents will not abandon their children,

        And rightly so, abandoned the child - the deadline. And let it provide until adulthood. And sterilize this one.
        When I was picking up the first child from the hospital in 1997, I saw with my own eyes how one young "mother" put the baby on a bench in the hallway at a gallop from the hospital, not forgetting to grab gifts from the administration. She ran as if she did not give birth - they did not catch up in short. Until now, the picture stands in the eyes. I come back and grab the wife and the child, I took the thrown one myself - I drag it to the head physician - let's take this too, but what if there is one, there are two. Behind the shoulder, a gray-haired uncle touches him and says: - Come on, our baby died during childbirth .... I saw them recently in Kuntsevo. Nice, friendly family.
    11. +2
      7 February 2013 09: 54
      And for prevention, while there is no way to get to the American "parents", it would be worth hanging on the posts those aunts from social services who contributed to such perverted adoptive parents. So that from now on it was discouraging to be negligent in their duties. And citizen Astakhov (as the chief lobbyist for child trafficking) should be put on a stake.
      So that the strangers would not climb and were afraid of their own.

      The saddest thing is in urkain. Our bitch bitch decided on the priority of foreign adoptive parents over domestic. fool Now, when the Russian Federation has cut off the oxygen to these "adoptive parents", they will rush to us, and here, this Rvan-Konteks has created a maximum favored nation regime. fool
    12. asainov
      +1
      7 February 2013 10: 01
      I think the government should protect the citizens of their country, even if they are orphans! And let these American pigs rape their children! Sergei Udaltsov sold this to his homeland and the blind can understand! And Grazhdonin Yashin should be ashamed on the path of betrayal of the motherland !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    13. +9
      7 February 2013 10: 07
      And here's what interests me

      Why don't these live-trade fighters ever say that 80% of Russian orphans are brought up in families?
      http://www.usynovite.ru/statistics/2011/2/

      Why don't they say that the vast majority of those adopted abroad are by no means disabled?
      http://www.usynovite.ru/statistics/2011/7/

      Why don't they say that foreign adoption does not solve the main problem - a large number of orphans in orphanages? Children over seven years old are practically not adopted.
      http://www.usynovite.ru/statistics/2011/5/

      There are many questions ... This topic, like a litmus test, showed all the lies of liberal pro-Western propaganda. Direct lies, juggling with numbers, fraud, half the truth, which is worse than a lie.
    14. igor12
      +2
      7 February 2013 10: 15
      Sometimes Podletsov (Udaltsov) was so desperate to extort the foolish teeth in his mouth that he wouldn’t get sick, the pro-American nits, the people.
    15. 0
      7 February 2013 10: 24
      In Russia, adoptive socially weak, not healthy citizens of the United States who could not adopt at home and could not give birth, why should they give children.
    16. asainov
      +1
      7 February 2013 10: 29
      Close the country to go to America and the entry of Americans! Rastrel for treason! That's what will save us from their rotten shit democracy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. Wanfried
        -5
        7 February 2013 10: 47
        We would have their rotten democracy!
        1. +1
          8 February 2013 00: 15
          To hell with us their rotten democracy, let them live in it themselves. We are Russians and we have a different mentality.
    17. logic
      +1
      7 February 2013 10: 38
      Come on you swear. They want to adopt our children, for the sake of their well-being let them adopt-move to permanent residence in Russia and adopt

      Regarding Udaltsov, I would like to add that it is time to attract him for inciting ethnic hatred (humiliation of Russians)
    18. asainov
      +1
      7 February 2013 10: 47
      Udaltsov is a puppet of six and we all must understand that this is all law enforcement, how many will there be? And how many of them are sitting in the State Duma and next to Putin, even though Kudrin was already removed well! Shoigu I respect Russian to the heels of the man Patriot !!!!!!!!
    19. DeerIvanovich
      +1
      7 February 2013 10: 52
      children must live in their homeland, grow up, make their own choices. you must be more responsible for the fate of the future of the country.
    20. 0
      7 February 2013 10: 54
      Quote: Vanek
      As if "curly" did not live, it is better at home, at home.

      The author wrote We will not idealize the homeland. Not so long ago, I brought to VO fragments from a terrible collection of facts about the death of Russian children in Russia, collected by Interfax journalists. All the tragedies described by them happened only in 2012 alone.
      I don’t want the phrase, let the Russians better kill our children than the Americans were the motivation for the law of Dima Yakovlev.
      First of all, you need to think about the children, how to improve their life, not in words but in deeds. Then they are possible and they will grow up as Kulibins.
    21. -1
      7 February 2013 10: 55
      Children are better off in America, there is a civilization, you need to invest in securities (muculature) of America, because if something happens they will give them to us, natural resources should be controlled by oligarchs proteges of transnational corporations, the central bank should be independent ... ... When will people understand that they have simply taken our Motherland away from us for plunder and desecration, and as young people say they simply "warm their ears"? The fascists did not succeed in enslaving them, so they fed the traitors and they did everything quietly. It's time to unite and restore order in the country, then life will be better for children, adults and the elderly.
    22. anchonsha
      0
      7 February 2013 10: 57
      Well, the 5th column must work out its money, just as the liberals cannot betray the ideas of Geyzapad, otherwise they will not be entry into the shabby world. But different Tyutyakins do not care who will give money for their idiotic revolution. And no one needs Russian orphans, sincerely, except Russia itself. Well, which of good intentions will sincerely take care of other people's children, especially foreigners? Yes, few of those who by nature are compassionate or deprived of the opportunity to have their own children. But such units. But to create all the conditions for the life of orphans in Russia, it is necessary to create even if for this it will be necessary more than half of the country's GDP.
    23. Natalia
      +9
      7 February 2013 11: 19
      I fully support the ban on adoption.
      It should be noted that the problem is not that we do not have crimes against children, but that in America for violence against RUSSIAN children get away with:
      This is in AMERICA
      - A couple of rapists appeared before an American court. They were accused of “committing physical violence”. Shedon Traylor was punished for five years, but “conditionally”, and his wife was given a year - and also “conditionally”. -

      It's in Russia
      - On December 11, a drunk resident of the Volgograd Region beat the 6-year-old stepson to death: he beat him, hit his head against the wall, and then tried to bring him to life by burning his body with a cigarette lighter. On November 12, the Moscow City Court sentenced a Muscovite addict to 16 years in high security. -

      That is, in the United States, a verdict is passed precisely on the basis of ethnicity, "- there is no need to sit for crimes of Russians who they are -"
      This means only one thing that in America, US (Russians) are not considered people.
      So WATCH them on their arrogant snout!

      And in countries where they want to legitimize homosexuality, I do not consider it necessary to give our children for adoption. Like France, Britain, Holland. If a nation with a shifted psyche, nefiga our children do there.

      And Mr. Udaltsov simply fulfills the money invested in him by Western structures. He spit on Russia and on our children, and on our future ..... if a person sold himself to our enemies for money, then he cheated on the MOTHERLAND, such people can’t be BELIEVED, you can check, BELIEVE impossible. And no matter what he is not an oppositionist, this is a selling t ....... b. The person who, together with Givi Targamadze, was preparing terrorist acts in Russia (the explosion of the bridge) is no longer an oppositionist, but a terrorist, since his actions can be directed, INCLUDING and against YOU. If they pay him, he will blow up the bridge over which you and your relatives can pass (God forbid).

      The other day, I don’t know what to call it ...... relatively speaking, this misunderstanding (Udaltsov) has already been received on my own face, as it is not strange from Limonov’s nationalists, which amused me especially.
      1. Atlon
        +4
        7 February 2013 11: 26
        Quote: Natalia
        The other day, I don’t know what to call it ...... relatively speaking, this misunderstanding (Udaltsov) has already been received on my own face, as it is not strange from Limonov’s nationalists, which amused me especially.

        Frustrated by the face of Udaltsov-Gniltsov - satisfied! good
      2. 0
        7 February 2013 13: 36
        http://topwar.ru/23858-amerikancy-ubivali-russkih-zaschischayuschih-svoyu-territ
        oriyu.html # comment-id-897427 The situation in this article is very similar to what is happening in Russia now. A hundred years have passed, and the methods and countries involved in trying to destroy Russia are the same.
    24. +1
      7 February 2013 11: 31
      Excerpt from an interview with Pavel Astakhov on the program "Duel" from 24.01.2013, where he was in the role of an arbitrator.
      "... For example, Brian Dikstra, who took a boy, ours, Ilya Kargyntsev from Magadan. The boy could not walk, a one and a half year old baby is disabled, really disabled. And he killed him, but he killed him so that he later recanted his testimony, and said, that the boy himself fell down the stairs and therefore was all broken. And he was acquitted of premeditated murder. And Ksenia Antonova from Kemerovo. The adoptive father, already the third adoptive father, raped her for a year, a 14-year-old girl, and then brought a fictitious marriage certificate, or rather a certificate from the Federal Migration Service of the Kemerovo Region When I saw this document in an American court, in a Georgia court, in the state of Georgia, I wondered how it was possible to make such a fake, and he was released on the basis of this document.
      And about those experts about whom Slava (Vyacheslav Nikonov) spoke, they participated in the Leszczynski case, in the Kravers case. They were involved in the Mays Harison case. They really go from court to court. Their surnames are Adler and Federichi. These people are famous, they have made a career for themselves in these matters. They come to court and say: "Russian children are orphans. You know, this is waste genetic material, because they all inherit the genes of their mothers-prostitutes, fathers-thieves, bandits. And in general they are prone to suicide." And the jury believes them. "
    25. andsavichev2012
      +4
      7 February 2013 11: 33
      What tries 50 thousand ??? !!! Thousand 7-8 orange coves were
    26. +2
      7 February 2013 13: 05
      And again I repeat: everything is wonderful, everything is correct, but where were these guys 5 years ago when they killed Dima Yakovlev? On air of Solovyov, a Communist Party comrade asked such a question from Edra, he asked why it was necessary to wait when the Americans nibbled our bureaucrats with their Magnitsky law so that they would be so worried about the fate of the orphans? Mr. Edra boldly admitted that it was their mistake, that there was no need to combine the problems of our embezzlers with the adoption of children.
      And one more thing: why did Dima Yakovlev be given to the Americans, but not given to his grandmother?
      I am also against the American adoption, but so to publish such a law only after the bureaucrats have their tail pinched - anyway, this is the trick of scoundrels. And it’s funny when these scoundrels, smeared in one world with aunts from the women's battalion and aunts from juvenile justice, suddenly start to make patriots out of themselves that they take care of children
    27. 0
      7 February 2013 13: 29
      And these demonstrators did not try not to shake the slogans, but to take and adopt the children for the sake of which they went out to make noise. At least one child, who of these screamers adopted?
    28. +2
      7 February 2013 14: 51
      Well, Zhirinovsky, well done, +1 point to the respect of this man, he said everything correctly, without hesitation, handsome
    29. 0
      7 February 2013 15: 09
      you need to educate your children so that at least a generation could not have children of orphans, you need to instill responsibility for your actions, it is clear that orphans can always be an accident there or something else can happen that the child will be left without parents but it will be units and not as now every second whore sleeps with everyone and then gives the child to the orphanage. this is normal?
      Therefore, to the maximum we need to devote time to our children to the detriment of our rest, but our children must understand what is moral and what is immoral
    30. +1
      7 February 2013 15: 21
      Yes, finally, it is forbidden to completely adopt all states to adopt, only in your state you can adopt. You can still catch homeless children in special establishments such as the military, send them where they will not glue to glue and kill with drugs and the soldiers will be trained to train, educate, train and military affairs and education. And all this benefits both the Country and the people. There will be no street children and thugs who will then kill, rape, rob, will not grow up. The country will receive soldiers who are physically trained, trained and trained from childhood, these are those who live on the street street children because they do not want to return to the orphanage and run away constantly . Upon reaching the age of 14, the child himself can voluntarily choose or stay in the orphanage if he was not adopted, continue his education, etc. and then leave this institution or from the age of 14 go to a special military institution and continue training there and then remain to serve as a military man. I think it would probably be better. Well, in general, something like this. what
    31. 0
      7 February 2013 17: 09
      Apparently, it’s worthwhile to introduce one significant amendment to the law of Dima Yakovlev on the ban on the adoption of Russian children, namely:

      "Allow the United States and other countries to adopt Russian children, but only if we are talking about the children of liberals. Allow them to be adopted only with their parents, on the condition that they never return to the Russian Federation."

      What is not the solution to the problem?
    32. +6
      7 February 2013 17: 11
      Do not get more, gentlemen, Russian children to the slaughter!
    33. imperiologist
      0
      7 February 2013 19: 20
      let them replenish their pirate gangster gene pool in Somalia
    34. 0
      7 February 2013 20: 00
      Of course, all this is right, you can’t let your own so to speak, but we will be honest with ourselves in the conditions of wild capitalism in our boarding schools for disabled children there are no conditions, they will not heal them there, they will slowly take them away, but in ordinary orphanages and baby houses he asks that many harsh men here should climb the wall at the time, we will be honest with myself, I personally am not ready to adopt a child with cerebral palsy, and you? My wife and I quite often take children's toys and just take sweets to the neighboring house of the baby, and you know when such eyes look at you and ask, and you are not my dad, and when my mother comes, I would look at you, try to explain something to them, about the prospects of finding them in their motherland loving them, it’s not the USSR when under Stalin everything was for children and for the sake of children, it’s not so simple it’s a very difficult question, I am convinced that I’m a communist and I’m constantly talking about this, I don’t ever creep out before , it’s just that these children, especially those with serious illnesses, do not need them, they will die quietly, there is no state policy in general, and there is no care for children, and this is so-so window dressing ... And the second moment when the law appeared? , rightly as soon as Magnitsky’s law was adopted and the official blocked the voyages to the Cote d'Azur and Brighton Beach .....
      And from the point of view of distracting the masses from unnecessary questions such as why Serdyukov and ko are free, why gasoline does everything, we’d better hang out with amerikosy .... Be objective and honest, at least in front of yourself ....
      Yours faithfully.....
    35. 0
      7 February 2013 20: 28
      The ban on the adoption of our children for Americans is certainly good, but do not forget that the adoption of this law is a response to the list of Magnitsky adopted by the United States as a ban on the entry of a number of officials into this country. But the reaction is kind of small-sized, from the category you gave us in the face, and we will show a cookie in response. It would be more correct to establish a ban within our country on the purchase by the citizens of Russia and organizations of real estate, stocks, etc., a ban on placing deposits in US banks, and oblige all funds there to withdraw from these banks, limit settlements on foreign trade transactions in dollars us, switch to the euro or yuan in these calculations, and you see, officials were offended that they wouldn’t let them in from the us now and covered themselves with children. As for the adoption practice, according to the information available to me, in our region - the Vladimir region, more children are adopted by Europeans, mainly Italians and French, so it is not painful that the refusal to adopt children is saddened by Americans.
    36. 0
      7 February 2013 20: 59
      I don’t understand this fuss around this law !!
      In the civilized countries of the West (often referred to by our politicians and rulers) their children are not sold for adoption in other countries !!
      I was not mistaken - AT THIS TIME OUR CHILDREN ARE SELLING !!
    37. Dmitry T.
      0
      7 February 2013 22: 34
      We ourselves kill our children: about one and a half million abortions annually. This is VERY beneficial to our likely friends.
      Can you imagine if every Russian woman will give birth to 5-7 sons?
      In 10 years, the growth of the Russian population would be 15-20 million people.
      That would be a disaster for the West.
    38. 0
      7 February 2013 23: 19
      All the policies of the current government are danced and built under Western values, but these shitty people from Bolotnaya are already trying to beat these democrats. To save the people, it is necessary under Stalin to ban abortion, which is supported by the church, despite the cries. Give economic support to families and children. Find a new Dzerzhinsky and Makarenko, who could eliminate homelessness, take measures to educate people in the spirit of patriotism and statehood, not venality.
    39. Danielb
      0
      8 February 2013 01: 33
      looked at the first photo, and saw only Jews. it’s like Jacob Smirnoff, who was from Russia and Russian, but in fact a Jew.
    40. phantom359
      0
      8 February 2013 02: 10
      God forbid to give children into the hands of perverts and freaks. Pancake . conditional punishment for such a crime is simply mockery.
    41. 0
      11 February 2013 22: 46
      Quote: Ols76
      This is worst when children are mixed into politics!

      The ugliness is that mocking and killing children is the so-called adoptive parents spit in the face of the country that allowed this adoption. The US justice system mockingly continues this action !!! What rights of a child can we talk about? am

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