Speaker of the Ukrainian Armed Forces: The Ukrainian Armed Forces have the necessary means to shoot down Russian hypersonic missiles

Ilya Yevlash, recently appointed to the post of spokesman for the Ukrainian Air Force, stated that the Ukrainian army allegedly has the means to successfully shoot down Russian hypersonic missiles. missiles "Zircon".

Yevlash noted that Russian hypersonic missiles are very fast weapons, while the flight speed of the "Zircon" reaches approximately 8-9 Machs (1 Mach is about 1,2 thousand km/h). However, according to the spokesman for the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, when these missiles enter the strike trajectory, their speed decreases and becomes supersonic - approximately 4,5 Mach. Yevlash believes that it is at this moment that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with the help of the air defense systems they have, are capable of shooting down Russian hypersonic missiles. This refers, for example, to the systems supplied to Kyiv by the West Defense SAMP/T and Patriot. However, there has not yet been a single documented case of hypersonic missiles being shot down by Ukrainian air defense systems.

In addition, Yevlash added that the use of Zircon hypersonic missiles by the Russian Armed Forces could allegedly indicate a “shortage” of other types of missiles. For a long time, nothing was heard from Kyiv that Russia was about to run out of missiles. Apparently, Yevlash, who recently replaced Yuriy Ignat as Speaker of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, decided to return to this topic again.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian resources claim the incredible speed of the Zircons, noting that they are much more dangerous than the Kinzhals and so far no air defense system in the world can shoot them down. It is noted that these missiles, when launched from Crimea, can reach objects in large Ukrainian cities in one to five minutes, depending on the remoteness of the populated area. For example, a Zircon flies to Odessa in one minute, and a hypersonic missile flies to Lviv in just over five minutes.

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[alovrov]

speed decreases and becomes subsonic - approximately Mach 4,5

Well, damn you give me)))

[Mikhail Ivanov]

Well, everything is standard here! If no one else has it, then Ukrainians there is. In this they even surpassed the Armenians))) Thus, in two years the evolution of the Ukrainian military industry is evident - from cans of cucumbers to hypersonics)))

[Mikhail Ivanov]

Talents Ukrainians look like this:

[Lev_Russia]

Using the SBU building to shoot down the Zircon... And this is not too expensive for Ukraine...???

[The black]

Let him tell this to his Polish accomplices, who recently caught a cold and died.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

As I understand it, the chubby guys have run out of cans of tomatoes? They devoured everything while they celebrated “joining NATO.”

[GGV]

Judging by this picture, Summa or Kukuev should be attacked exclusively from Crimea, and not, for example, from the Bryansk region. Things are wonderful.

[smershxnumx]

The “whipper” hasn’t grown back yet, IMHO.....

[RODO71]

You did not understand correctly. They received these funds from the West. But they did not master the technology of these missiles so quickly. It's just that missiles have never been unfireable. This happens every time you are afraid to tell your manager that you haven’t coped with the task :-)

[BMP-2]

Well, it’s clear: among the “broad Ukrainians” even sound travels at a speed 4,5 times faster than usual!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

among the “broad Ukrainians” even sound travels at a speed 4,5 times faster than usual!

..in a diamond the speed of sound is 12000 m per second...and bait fishermen have them in their safes...they use them to measure the speed of sound

[Revolver]

In what units is the speed of a pig's squeal measured? And are these units the same for the moment of being pushed away from the feeder and the moment of being slaughtered for lard?

[RODO71]

And how reliably do you know that these rockets fly so fast? Because it was written about in the newspaper? Because the president said so? :-))) This is what always happens when you are not allowed to tell your supervisor... boss, I failed the task... because then you will face jail time. At best :-))) This is how it was in Germany with the mustachioed :-)

[BMP-2]

Oh, what an interesting remark, and already marked down! Well, let's figure out whether the negative person had sufficient grounds for this.
The idea that only reliable information should be accepted for consideration seems quite common sense. I myself always urge you to pay attention to such information, and especially to the sources of its origin. Therefore, I completely agree: reliability is important. And it is ensured by establishing the reliability of the source, as well as the correspondence of the message to objective reality. Your guesses that these sources are newspapers or the president are obviously not correct: from the article it is clear that none other than the speaker of the Armed Forces of Ukraine I. Yevlash spoke about the high speed of the missiles. With some skill, this is easy to check: a search engine query produces links to materials from Ukrainian news channels that quote Yevlash’s words spoken by him live on the air of the all-Ukrainian marathon. And if this does not seem convincing, then if you wish, you can find the video recording of the broadcast itself. And yes, perhaps Evlash is mistaken in assessing the speed characteristics of rockets, but note: in my statement I do not discuss them anywhere, but only focus on the fact that the reference system used by Evlash is distinguished by a high degree of originality and, I would say, alternative intellectual talent. Therefore, your analogies with the lack of freedom of speech in Germany during its Nazi past seem a little inappropriate. Although they are based on reliable events of the past.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

This is called dala mahu... it would be better if you gave mahu.
The speaker of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has his own units of measurement. He measures subsonic speed in the speed of waving his fists

[bayard]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

This is called dala mahu... it would be better if you gave mahu.

It turned out funny, although it was meant that when going into a dive and breaking its trajectory, the rocket slows down/loses speed and is no longer HYPERSONIC. But try to catch it at the moment of going into a dive, there is only a matter of seconds to react.
However, the beginning of the combat use of the Zircons was impressive, spectacular and very effective. And this is not only a demonstration of the capabilities of the rocket itself, but also the fact that there is already a ground-based TPU for it. From such a transport hub in Kaliningrad, Zircon will cover almost the whole of Europe. And the preparation of such a strike on the take-off of the MiG-31 (as in the case of the Kinzhal) cannot be revealed. In these few minutes, the alert signal will barely have time to pass through. Neither have time to take cover nor react. And once they are used, it means they have already been produced in sufficient quantities, and are enough for the re-equipment of ships, ballistic missile systems, and for combat use in the Northern Military District.
Now, in each of the 12 brigades of the OTRK Iskander, we should introduce a couple of divisions of the TPU Zircon. So as not to create new formations, but simply add new divisions to the existing formations (brigades). Moreover, these brigades seem to be four-divisional ... and this is very modest for a missile brigade. It is necessary to increase the number of divisions to 8, adding two Zircon divisions and 2 Caliber divisions. And the OTRKs immediately turn into operational-strategic ones. For the European theater of operations, that’s just the thing.
And for deployment in Cuba too.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Somewhere on VO several years ago, there was a good article about the braking of the "Dagger" at the last stage of flight, where due to air resistance and the cessation of the booster engine, the inertial speed drops to 4-5 Mach, which theoretically allows modern missile defense systems to intercept the "Dagger". It talked about US aircraft carriers, which our savvy cap-throwers immediately began to bury, believing that now one "Dagger" will be enough for one aircraft carrier.
The author of the article correctly laid out that if they yawn, then one is enough, especially with a nuclear warhead. But with the entire AUG group in full combat readiness for an attack, one “Dagger” is more likely to be shot down, precisely because of its braking in the dense layers of the atmosphere.

[bayard]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

due to air resistance and the termination of the acceleration engine, the inertial speed drops to Mach 4-5

Practice and analysis of the footage filmed of the first strike by the "Dagger" on underground warehouses with "Tochka-U" showed that on approaching the target, "the Dagger walked at 7 M in a dense cloud of plasma.

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

They began to immediately bury it, believing that now one “Dagger” would be enough for one aircraft carrier.

Well, just for the sake of insurance for such a high-priority target, even with nuclear warheads you need at least 2 missiles. You never know - failure or technical malfunction, failure/failure of guidance or something else. There are plenty of schoolchildren and Unified State Exam victims here, is it worth paying attention to?

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

one "Dagger" is more likely to be shot down precisely because of its braking in dense layers of the atmosphere.

"Dagger" approaches the target at an altitude of 50 km. and having reached it, it dives at it at a very steep angle, almost into a “dead crater” above the target. And the speed drops from 10 M to 7 M. Well, let it be up to 6 M, although when diving, gravity is the opposite - you accelerate the rocket. In any case, the rocket will be affected not only by air resistance, but also by gravity, partly balancing the influence of each other.
And if the target "Dagger" has a speed of 7 M or slightly less, then do not forget that "Zircon" flies on its own ramjet engine. Until it hits the target. Therefore, although its cruising speed is slightly lower than that of "Dagger", but when diving, in addition to gravity, "Zircon" will also be accelerated by the engine. But when the trajectory bends, the speed will decrease slightly. I think that "Zircon" at the target will also have a speed of about 7 M. Because it will dive from a lower altitude - from about 35 - 40 km.

[DenVB]

Quote: bayard

Well, let it be up to 6 M, although when diving, gravity is the opposite - you accelerate the rocket. In any case, the rocket will be affected not only by air resistance, but also by gravity, partly balancing the influence of each other.

They will not balance each other. Even the roughest calculation shows that at such speeds in the troposphere, the drag force exceeds gravity. For example, at a speed of 2000 m/s at an altitude of 10 km for an object with a diameter of 1 meter, the resistance is about 100 kN, or 10 tons.

[bayard]

It's clear . It was meant that in an almost vertical dive, in addition to the resistance of the environment, gravity also acts. Therefore, the rocket is flying at an altitude of 50 km. at 10 M it will lose about 3 M speed in a dive. This was confirmed by calculations of the Kinzhal’s speed at the final stage of filming the first strike. The calculation showed a speed of "about 7 M". I made allowances for the inaccuracy and assumed that in the final section the speed could be at the level of 6 M, which is still too much to be intercepted by the enemy’s means.
The Zircon will also fly in a dive with the engine running. Therefore, its speed at the target will also be no lower than 6-7 M.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Guys, everything has already been calculated for you. There are a lot of articles on the Internet on request about the speed of the "Dagger" on the final trajectory, where everything is sorted into pieces. Here is an excerpt from one of them. Not even the one I mentioned above from VO:
In fact, the answer is simple: there are no 12M. As dragon-dances correctly notes, with any trajectory the rocket travels at altitudes of more than 50 km most of the time, where the maximum speed of 8-10 M is achieved. When the rocket begins to enter the atmosphere, it slows down and it enters the dense layers of the atmosphere at a speed of less than 5M, and arrives at the target at a speed of less than 3M. Standard small ballistics. Attempts to maneuver in the atmosphere slow down the rocket even more. Some are trying to argue with this, coming up with nonsense about a “plasma cloud” and about the mythical second stage.
https://dzen.ru/a/ZF0fwQuUKnBU6ruD

[bayard]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

Guys, everything has already been calculated for you. A bunch of articles on the Internet on request about the speed of the "Dagger"

There are now many accountants, as well as tea-leaf fortune tellers. Among them there is not a single one who knows for sure, but a bunch of chiropractors who pull an owl onto a globe.

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

In fact, the answer is simple: there are no 12M.

I heard about a speed of 10 - 11 Mach. But at the peak of the accelerating impulse it could be 12 Mach. The speed at the terminal section is just 10-11 Mach, but with a slowdown.

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

the rocket travels at altitudes of more than 50 km

Not “more”, but its echelon at this altitude is 50 km. Plus or minus of course. moreover, both “Dagger” and “Iskander”.

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

. When the rocket begins to enter the atmosphere, it slows down and it enters the dense layers of the atmosphere at a speed of less than 5M,

Did he personally measure the speed at that moment? In general, this speed depends on the range of use of the missile defense system. and on a used one, this range is definitely not the maximum for this missile. So, on a used one, the speed of the “Dagger” at the moment it begins to dive onto the target will be much greater than that of this dreamer. At the ranges at which the "Daggers" operate in the north air defense, the speed will be about 9 Mach, maybe up to 8 Mach (depending on the range) and at the target their speed will be 7 Mach or 6 Mach.

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

Some try to argue with this, come up with nonsense about a “plasma cloud”

"Don't believe your eyes"?
A Ukrainian guy filmed the very first “Dagger” flying over his head. A qualified aircraft design engineer, based on these frames and the time of arrival of the shock wave front, determined the speed of the object as 6 - 7 M.
And in the footage the object was clearly in a plasma cocoon. In a very bright plasma cocoon. So bright that the rocket itself was completely invisible. A bright elongated plasma cocoon flew by. And it hit the underground storage facility. These shots are known to everyone, they were shown on TV and widely distributed on the Internet. But a detailed analysis with frame-by-frame examination and calculation of the speed (and conversion of angular to linear, probably not everyone saw ... In vain. So both the measurement of the object's speed by the delay of the shock wave front, and the appearance of the object itself and the brightness of the plasma, indicate a speed of about 7 Mach.
And there is no need to quote Ukrainian dreamers and local inadequates here. Especially about three Machs at the target.

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

and about the mythical second stage.

The starting weight of the "Dagger" is about 4 tons. With a warhead weighing 500 kg. What second stage can we talk about?
The Zircon has a second stage - an accelerating booster (1st stage) and the main missile launcher itself with a main ramjet (second stage).
And remember HOW desperately the American "Patriot" fought off the "Kinzhal" in Kyiv. It fired the entire BC as if from a machine gun and did not damage either of the two missiles. But it was destroyed. But according to its passport data, it is capable of shooting down targets at a speed of up to 4-5 M. Ideal conditions - the target is heading for the SAM. Full ammunition!
Full ammunition shot!!!
For TWO missiles.!!
And not a single hit.
And both “Daggers” HIT.

The use of "Daggers" has become commonplace today. And not a single interception.
No one .
Despite the special anti-missile version of the Patriot. With kinetic missile defenses.
If the target's speed was less than Mach 5, the Patriot would have managed it. At least once .
Not once.
And I couldn’t cope with Zircon.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

bayard, you understand that you should not argue with me and quote supposedly with my signature. I guess that this is not intentional, but this is how this site forms your responses. But you must understand that so far all your statements are no different in evidence from a dozen other authors of articles who claim the opposite about the speed of the "Dagger" at the end of its flight. And why should everyone believe you and not them? Especially if we know your funny confidence that the Americans were not on the Moon. You understand that after such pearls, any statement of yours will cause legitimate mistrust and skepticism.
And the point is not whether or not there were interceptions of "Kinzhals" over Ukraine, but only about the hypothetical possibility of their interception with the help of a modern massive missile defense system, under certain conditions. Feel the difference... Or better yet, remember the statements of the Russian Ministry of Defense that our S-400 and especially S-500 systems can intercept hypersonic objects and most likely also under certain conditions when the speed slows down on the way out. The point is not about a specific Patriot, but about the principle of interception.

[bayard]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

why should everyone believe you and not them?

You can even believe in the Pasta Monster; no one will put any obstacles in your way. But why quote obvious stupidity? The citizen cited the speed characteristics of the Iskander with the idiotic assertion that the Kinzhal is the same Iskander launched from an airplane and therefore flying further. But you can trust anyone. Even Vitali Klitschko.

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

if you know your funny confidence that there were no Americans on the moon.

As I understand it, you never bothered to read the lectures of Academician Popov (a participant in the Soviet Lunar Program) on the “Book Day” channel. Probably, Vera also got in the way.
... She is strict with you.
Meanwhile, today another lecture was published, the engines of the Saturn-5 (F-1) launch vehicle were disassembled. And the story of Von Braun, who was fired from NASA at the beginning of the so-called. flights to the moon. Many lectures have already been published, in which this whole scam is sorted out point by point. Would you be curious? , consult Vera.

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

Better remember the statements of the Russian Ministry of Defense that our S-400 and especially S-500 complexes can intercept hypersonic objects

Well, don’t compare our S-400 and S-500 with the wretched “Patriots” and “Thads”. Our missile defense systems have at least 2,5 times higher speed and much more advanced interception algorithms. Ours were originally designed to intercept targets maneuvering supersonic. And in tests they confirmed their capabilities. American air defense systems are capable of intercepting only SIMPLE ballistic targets with a predictable and easily calculated trajectory. Their low-speed missiles go to the lead point and are unable to retarget in the event of a high-speed target maneuver. Their missile defense systems have a speed of less than 4 M. Something in the region of 3,5 M. And primitive algorithms for intercepting ONLY ballistic targets. Or aerodynamic. They had many opportunities to intercept, and there will be even more. But not a single interception.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

You didn't like the comparison of some author of the Dagger with Iskander? I didn't either... but you can read a dozen other articles where there are no such comparisons, and everyone writes about the speed at the end of the flight up to 4-5 Mach. And I don't understand. What touched and moved you so much with these numbers, and you definitely want it to be 7-8 Mach? Everything works fine, even if the speed drops to 2-3 Mach and I admire our weapons.
I never said anywhere that the Ukrainians managed to intercept the Kinzhals with the help of the Patriot. Don't blame me for something that didn't happen. I just referred to dozens of articles by different authors, which can easily be found by searching for the Kinzhal's speed on the final trajectory. But in your opinion, they are all illiterate fools, while you know for sure and believe some speed calculation made from the only amateur footage of the Kinzhal's flight on a smartphone. Bravo!
Now about the Moon and the Americans. What I have read about these flights in my 70 years is enough for me. But the main argument, which cannot be shaken by any lectures by Popov and others, is outrageously simple. Any secret ceases to be a secret if dozens of astronauts and hundreds of NASA specialists know it. It is impossible to persuade and force so many colluding deceivers to lie to the whole world for so many years.
And notice how the nonsense of your co-religionists, who at first rejected all the landings of the Eagles (Apollos) and, especially with an electric car, change over time. But now the landing modules and traces of the electric car have been removed on the surface, and now you can only claim that all six expeditions were without people. Oh well. What will you sing when they show you the footprints of the spacesuit? I’m sure you will come up with the idea that all this is a lie and was inherited by the robot.
And I regularly see all sorts of professors who have lost their minds or decided to remind of their existence in Prokopenko’s programs on REN TV and understand how many different eccentrics there are in the world.

[bayard]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

you can read a dozen other articles where there are no such comparisons, but everyone writes about the speed at the end of Mach 4-5.

And again, inattention in reading. I specifically emphasized that the "Daggers" in Ukraine flew at a distance of several hundred kilometers, and based on this they could not lose speed to some fantastic 3 - 5 M. And the calculation after the passage of the shock wave of the first use of the "Dagger" showed a speed of the order of 7 M. This was also evidenced by the very bright plasma cocoon in which the rocket was traveling. When firing at the maximum range (about 1500 km after separation from the aircraft), the speed will indeed be lower and will be approximately 5 Mach or even slightly lower (depending on the steepness of the trajectory bend when diving on the target. But only if such ranges are used in air defense systems, never did not have .
As for the final speed of the Zircons, in the case of a dive on a target with a working ramjet, its speed is unlikely to drop at all or fall below 7 M.
And calculating the maximum flight range of the "Dagger" for the maximum range, this range was assigned to it exactly such that at a target on the ground/surface it would not be lower than 5 M. because this is the point of such a weapon - to exclude the possibility of intercepting a missile at the target.. Extinguish Its speed can be reduced to even lower values ​​- just let the rocket fly over an even greater distance. But no one will do this. And it is precisely for the sake of complicating the possibility of interception that the missile is assigned a flight echelon of 50 km. , on which enemy missile defense systems are no longer effective, and transatmospheric interceptors are STILL not effective.
As for the work of the “whistleblowers,” these are rehashes of the Ukrainian “sages” who at one time so reassured their public - they say there is nothing special, we’ll intercept it, the Americans will help.
They won't help. But the possibility of intercepting the Iskander-M, although unlikely due to maneuvering before approaching the target, is still probable. But the degree of such probability is small.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

bayard about inattentive reading.... If we go back to my first comment, I didn’t mention either Ukraine or the “Patriots” there, which allegedly could shoot down our “Dagger”. And he mentioned an excerpt from an article on VO, where the option of a single strike on an aircraft carrier with its AUG was discussed. That it is not a fact that one “Dagger” will probably be enough and it was explained why.... due to the decrease in speed in dense layers of the atmosphere after the booster engine is turned off.
For some reason you have transferred everything to Ukraine and the Patriots, which are supposedly incapable of shooting down such targets in principle. I do not know this and do not claim the opposite. And I only referred to articles that claimed that modern missile defense systems can, under certain conditions, shoot down the Kinzhal. Again, I never said that I believed this once and for all, but only conveyed the authors of such a conclusion based on our S-400 and S-500, which can do this. And I believe that our systems are the best in the world!!! But I have no idea how much worse the missile defense capabilities of the US AUG are and why the author of VO doubts the success of a single Kinzhal strike on an aircraft carrier.
I didn’t say a word about “Zircons” and “Iskanders” at all and I don’t understand why you started a discussion with me about these missiles.
I don’t know by what parameters you calculate the speed at the final stage of the “Dagger”, and the example you gave with amateur photography on a smartphone seemed frivolous.
Yes, even if it accelerates to Mach 20, as long as you don’t get upset.

[bayard]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

why the author of VO doubts the success of a single strike by the Kinzhal on an aircraft carrier.

And I would doubt the success of a single missile strike, even with a nuclear warhead, on an aircraft carrier. And the speed of the missile at the target is not so important here (if it is, in principle, sufficient to exclude the possibility of interception). There may be a simple guidance failure, a technical malfunction, or another reason why ONE missile may not hit the target. Even equipped with nuclear warheads. therefore, one aircraft carrier requires at least two missiles with nuclear warheads or at least 4 missiles with a conventional warhead. But the AUG is not just one aircraft carrier. This is at least 4-5 attack escort ships with missile launchers on board. And you don’t know which of them is more dangerous for you. And in order to hit such an AUG at the maximum range of the anti-ship missile system, a salvo of at least a full DBK division is required. Because at least two missiles must be fired at each target.
And not because the speed of a rocket when flying by inertia drops.

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

The example you gave with amateur photography on a smartphone seemed frivolous.

These shots speak volumes to any specialist. At a minimum, they make it possible to determine the approximate speed from the brightness of the plasma cocoon, as well as to calculate the speed during the flight from the delay time of the shock wave front.
And if this doesn’t mean anything to you, as a non-specialist, then at least don’t argue with such aplomb.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Looks like you got to that article on VO yourself. I see that you have almost complete agreement with that author about the quantity and appropriateness of different missiles for striking the AUG. Didn't you write that article yourself?
There is a good saying - “Time will tell.” Let's explore this issue in future posts. Surely more than once they will write about the potential opportunity to shoot down a hypersonic missile and who has what to do it.
I would replace the word aplomb with sarcasm. This is closer to my character.

[bayard]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

Any secret ceases to be a secret if dozens of astronauts and hundreds of NASA specialists know it. It is impossible to persuade and force to lie to the whole world

This is exactly what at least hundreds of researchers, former NASA employees, are talking about in the US. Many thousands of books, articles, films, publications. We don't care about this scam and there are only a few researchers of this story. In the US, this disbelief in one's own propaganda is simply rampant. And they started talking about it there at the top of their lungs back in the mid-70s of the last century. Moreover, they even made a very interesting film about it, "Capricorn-1". Moreover, the film was originally shot specifically about a flight to the Moon, but already during the filming, the director and producer were advised by competent "comrades" and gentlemen to change the script and replace the Moon with "even Mars". And pay attention to what motivated that forgery (imitation of the flight by filming in a pavilion).
In our country, everyone involved both in our Lunar Program and about the US scam was simply gagged with a non-disclosure agreement. And all the program participants with whom I spoke referred to that subscription, although it was already the second half of the 90s.
Watch "Capricorn-1", read the book "We have never been to the Moon" or just American publications on this topic. Yes, remember/reconsider at least President Putin’s statements on this topic. After all, he made very clear hints several times that the United States did not land people on the Moon. REPEATEDLY . Quite officially - in front of cameras, answering questions from journalists. Hinted at the possibility of exposure. gave examples of the technical inability of the United States at that time.
What else do you need?
Did someone give you a chip?
Or do you think Academician Popov has been reading his series of lectures for several months now, broadcast and posted on YouTube just like that?
Do not make me laugh . This is not done without special permission.
And yes - the Chinese lunar rover arrived on the so-called. "Apollo 11 landing site". And do you know what he found there?
Nothing.
But the automatic Pioneer stations were actually landed on the Moon. And from them, those "astronauts' broadcasts from the Moon" were conducted. These were small stations launched by the Saturn-1B launch vehicle. That rocket could put up to 14 tons of payload into a low orbit. That was the maximum that the US had achieved by that time.

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

Prokopenko on REN TV

Don't watch TV, it dilutes the mind.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

And yes - the Chinese lunar rover arrived on the so-called. "Apollo 11 landing site". And do you know what he found there?
Nothing . laughing
Yeah, he arrived, squinted and left with nothing.... And before that they asked permission from NASA, to which they received a tearful request not to approach, and in return they promised to release Princess Huawei and several Chinese spies.
When I heard this story from the very respected Artamonov, I was just as “admired” by his scientific approach as I am now with Popov. Artamonov didn’t even bother to look at where the Chinese Lunar Hare “ChanE-4” that was being discussed landed. However, he did not look at where all the other Chinese devices landed.
So, if you are so keen for the Chinese to visit the landing site, then know that "ChangE-4" landed on the far side of the Moon!!!!!!! And the landing site of any of the Apollos is hundreds, if not thousands of kilometers away. Admit it, no one has ever traveled so far on the Moon, and this story on the Internet was immediately debunked by the Chinese themselves, but for some reason it stuck firmly in Artamonov's mind and amazed your bright mind.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

About the confessions of hundreds of former NASA employees, this is a hobby of the Americans. Starting to write all sorts of fables for suckers and shearing sheep. This happens after every high-profile case or story. Such memoirs bring good money to the authors and do not entail any responsibility for speculation and flights of fancy.
I watched the film "Capricorn-1" when it was still shown in our cinemas and I remember it well. It is your right to study the history of cosmonautics in Hollywood, but for me it is an ordinary adventure film and nothing more. And perhaps the authors were inspired by the very fact of preliminary filming of the scenes with the landing on the Moon, in a pavilion, in case of impossibility of filming due to failure of the movie camera or damage to the film of the astronauts. That's when it was proposed to show the pavilion filming on TV, but with the proviso that it was precisely the pavilion filming, and not real. Now this is called a reconstruction of events. But since it was not needed, it was removed from sight and not advertised, which gave food for cunning housewives and other whistleblowers.
So admit it, if we live to actually visit the Apollo landing sites, will you continue to argue that the astronauts' shoe prints were made by robots? But the traces of the electric car have already been removed from orbit....or was it just such a lunar rover from the USA?

[bayard]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

About the confessions of hundreds of former NASA employees, this is an American hobby. Start writing all sorts of tall tales for suckers and shearing sheep.

But you just stated that there is not a single evidence from the Americans themselves that the “lunar missions” were falsified. And then, in plain sight, you write about “hundreds of former NASA employees” who exposed the scam of their leadership.
It’s just that everyone there is such a swindler and together, in hundreds, for no apparent reason, they began to “fool the heads of gullible Americans”?
You'd better, as Rabinovich was advised in the joke, either take off the cross or put on pants.

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

I watched the film "Capricorn-1" when it was still showing in our cinemas

And I watched it then. I remember it.
Just a few years ago I came across an article by an American in which he mentioned the history of the filming of this film. I had to reconsider.

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

if we live to actually visit the Apollo landing sites,

Then we'll talk.

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

Are astronaut shoe prints made by robots? But the traces of the electric car have already been removed from orbit....or was it just such a lunar rover from the USA?

It was a regular photomontage. Many others looked at the place of that landing. Including through telescopes from Earth orbit. And they found nothing.
But in your opinion, they are all swindlers.
Right ?
Stay true to your Faith. But don't bother me anymore.
For I prefer Knowledge to faith.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

It was an ordinary photomontage.
Well, it was filmed by the Indians from their spacecraft in orbit of the Moon... And it seems that they do not deny this filming. Or were they paid by the Americans to confirm their presence on the Moon?
How interesting it is with you. Reminds me of a dispute with a person who deeply believes in God. He will always find an explanation for any stupidity in the Bible, and if he doesn’t, he will accuse his opponent of blasphemy and be satisfied with that.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Pictures of American footprints on the moon. Type it into any search engine and tell everyone. that this is a hoax.

[bayard]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

Or were they paid by the Americans to confirm their presence on the Moon?

It is enough that American TNCs are now transferring their production there (to India) from China. For this, the gypsies will dance even worse. To please the United States, they photoshopped their pictures of the lunar surface so much that you just gasp and cry (with happiness, of course). Everything was filled with gray!!! So much so that only an oligophrenic would doubt Photoshop.
The Chinese also seem to have repainted their photographs gray upon request. , but all their first publications of photos and videos from the moon showed not just brown, but the red-brown color of the Moon. Exactly the same shade that was obtained by our Zond stations (Soyuz spacecraft without the orbital compartment ball) that carried out the first color photography of the lunar surface. That is why even in Soviet schools the Globe of the Moon was brown. We had one like this at school.
And Kubrick made THE GRAY MOON. Now all the “lunar explorers” are repainting their photos gray.
But your Faith is stronger than Logic and Facts. Be faithful to her and be healthy.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

It's even surprising how you yourself can believe such nonsense, as if the US forced the Indians and Chinese to retouch their photos of the Moon, just so that they would match the tone of their Hollywood footage. They forced them to Photoshop (draw) all their footprints on the Moon, forcing thousands of Indian and Chinese space industry specialists to submit to this crap.
But the most amazing thing about this nonsense is that they agreed with the USSR to participate in this forgery and not to reveal American lies to the whole world. What are you smoking?
And this developer of our Lunar program, Professor Popov, also had to sign a non-disclosure agreement? So why did he suddenly violate this subscription and not be punished by lecturing that there could not be people on the moon?
And more to come!!! If the Americans forced our scientists and cosmonauts to take such subscriptions, then their NASA employees and astronauts should be subject to even more draconian demands to keep their mouths shut and not dare to doubt the authenticity of the flights... And you claim that hundreds of former NASA specialists openly write books and articles exposing this forgery... and no one was jailed for violating the subscription. How is that?
I don’t remember if there was at least one astronaut from Apollo who openly stated that they didn’t fly to the Moon? If there was, then why didn’t they go to jail for “slander” and violation of subscription? Why didn't they hunt them, like in the movie "Capricorn-1"?
Yes, because no subscriptions were taken from anyone and therefore in old age everyone can go crazy in their own way and shear money and sheep.
Look, our G. Grechko also went crazy in his old age in search of Noah's Ark and was not ashamed to appear on TV screens with films about his search on Mount Ararat.
A satellite photo was enough for him, where an ordinary stone ridge on a slope seemed to be the remains of this ark... He managed to raise money for several expeditions with a film crew to film a shepherd with sheep and rams near this ridge on the spot... And it is so symbolic!!! How many such rams are there on earth, who are sheared with such tales.

[alexoff]

Data obtained from Israeli military expert Voyaki

[lukash66]

The warrior knows everything, from space to the female genital organ. Don’t you dare argue.) And most importantly, he got away from us, and does not seek to defend his new homeland. So, mumble. There is also one bastard - Boltor. He's talking from the swamps. But also a specialist in all areas. )

[bambr731]

speed decreases and becomes subsonic - approximately Mach 4,5

It’s immediately obvious that the guy is in the know

[Vend]

Well, probably not three-liter jars of cucumbers, but five-liter ones

[The popuas]

Soon our three-liter tanks will fly ...Half a car has already arrived in Kharkov

[UAT]

Quarters, however. (Yes, it will be a bit short)

[The popuas]

Horseradish radish is not sweeter (yes, it will be a bit short)

[Sasha1979]

This begs the question: Is his last name really Yevlash? Is there a typo there?

[Rusfaner]

I agree - two letters are wrong!

[carpenter]

Quote: alovrov

speed decreases and becomes subsonic - approximately Mach 4,5

Well, you give a pancake

Well, why are there so many stupid people in Ukraine, or illness, or a pan, or a pregnant mother falling off the stove.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

This has always been the case in Ukraine. Since the times of the Union: smart people go to Russian-language schools. Those who are stupid, go to Ukrainian speakers.

[carpenter]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

smart ones - to Russian-language schools. Those who are stupid, go to Ukrainian speakers.

It came, but I kept wondering why they do everything “via Zhitomir to Penza.”

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I'm not making things up. That's exactly what happened. From Russian-language schools, it was easier for children to realize themselves - a higher level of teaching and knowledge allowed them to enter strong universities. From Ukrainian schools - maximum - direction from the agricultural institute, from the "ready collective farm" or the nearest vocational school - a wide-profile meanizer. With all due respect to the grain growers.

[carpenter]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

From Ukrainian schools - maximum - direction from the agricultural institute, from the "rich collective farm"

It got it, that’s why Danilov graduated from veterinary college.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Well, Danilov with the veterinary school, by their standards, it’s like our Timiryazevka.)

[The popuas]

Veterinary analogy with kolidor

[carpenter]

Quote: Popuas

Veterinary analogy with a corridor

About people like Danilov, you always think about kolidor, fershal, veterinarian.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

This has always been the case in Ukraine. Since the times of the Union: smart people go to Russian-language schools. Those who are stupid, go to Ukrainian speakers.

Well, don’t get carried away so much and get lost...
look at the regional industrial centers of Ukraine, impartially, and their universities... !!!
About high-tech schools (and industries) engine building for example:
Nikolaev marine gas turbine engines and gearboxes for them (!).
no offense, but Saturn PJSC has still not been able to reach the same level for ten years (!). fact.
Also with the Antonov Design Bureau in Kharkov (!).
The same with the culture of development and creation of aircraft engines by Progress Design Bureau and Motor Sich (Zaporozhye).
Rocket engines of the Dnepropetrovsk engineering school (YUZHMASH) .... (!).
...
All this means that we need to look for differences and measure (invent), - "..who has more ..."?!
but look at life objectively, and understand that there are quite a lot of talented people here and there and "technological schools" which we are losing in civil strife (!), to the joy of the Western world.

[irsa]

This Ilya is not Yevlash, but Yeralash. A school certificate would like to see what he has in physics and mathematics.
It is not surprising that with such personnel the country still cannot understand that it will not win the war with us. That is why they declare few victims, because they simply do not know how to count.

[ZovSailor]

irsa
Today, 18: 28
This Ilya is not Yevlash, but Yeralash. A school certificate would like to see what he has in physics and mathematics. laughing
It is not surprising that with such personnel the country still cannot realize that it cannot win the war with us. That’s why few victims claim that they simply don’t know how to count.
It’s in vain that you do that, you know how to count your big pennies and cheat others better than anyone in the world! after israe levskikh!

[BABAY22]

If their Air Force is commanded by individuals who do not know what subsonic speed is, then the project “in Ukraine” will not have long to live.

[MBRSS]

However, not a single reliable case of hypersonic missiles being shot down by Ukrainian air defense systems has yet been documented.

I would like to know how such cases are documented. Recordings from objective control devices? What serves as such means? Enemy radar? There is some kind of garbage in general with this “documentation”. How can you document (and present) something that is not documented by video recording, as is the case with damage to ground equipment?

[ZovSailor]

alovrov
Today, 17: 19
speed decreases and becomes subsonic - approximately Mach 4,5

Well, damn you give me)))
Announcement from the Armed Forces of Ukraine Command to all air defense employees: you are allowing the enemy’s hypersonic weapons to be zeroed out on a single territory, VNA 404, at a speed faster than hypersonic!

[Fitter65]

Quote: alovrov

when these missiles enter the impact trajectory, their speed decreases and becomes subsonic - approximately Mach 4,5.

Especially considering that Mach 1 is the speed of sound. Then Mach 4,5 is already like 4,5 the speed of sound. I just corrected the laws of physics...

[poquello]

Quote: alovrov

Well, damn you give me)))

along the way this Eblash is even dumber than the previous one

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: alovrov

Well, damn you give me)))

In an extremely simplified (and very incorrect!) way, we can say that the unit of Mach number is the speed of sound. In other words, Mach 1 is conventionally equal to 340 meters per second or 1224 km/h.

[VZEM100]

....................pre-hypersonic

[Crimean partisan 1974]

their speed decreases and becomes subsonic - approximately Mach 4,5.

...I don’t understand...is this the author’s tyranny or is it really this pig-faced guy?....amazing

[Aerolab]

Another clown. 4.5 Mach is subsonic, only in an inflamed imagination UkrainiansI wonder if they have any smart people left there?

[astepanov]

Quote: Aerolab

I wonder if they still have any smart ones there?

They just have a different speed of sound, what’s so unclear about that? The numerical value of the Ukrainian speed of sound was approved by a special meeting of the Rada.

[irsa]

They generally have different physical laws, as well as logic and morality. When you listen to them, you think that the damn thing is like from another galaxy...

[knn54]

-Do they have any smart people left there?
"We don't need smart people. We need faithful ones." (Br. Strugatsky “It’s hard to be a god”)
“So you didn’t get to Kraevich’s physics? And since then you’ve led an exclusively intellectual lifestyle?” (Ilf and Petrov, “12 chairs”)

[Leshak]

On the impact trajectory, the speed decreases and it becomes possible to hit, hypersonic, with a jar of cucumbers.
Oh, these storytellers ...

[sifgame]

On the strike trajectory, the Kinzhal or Zircon release brake parachutes and brake flaps, reducing speed by 10 times, allowing the shop to better see the target and aim.

[Revolver]

Quote: Leshak

On the impact trajectory, the speed decreases and it becomes possible to hit, hypersonic, with a jar of cucumbers.
Oh, these storytellers ...

The probability of a jar of cucumbers hitting a hypersonic missile at the final stage of its trajectory is a value that is undoubtedly positive and different from zero. However, a microscope that would allow one to see this value has not yet been invented. And in order to measure this value, one has to resort to analogs. Well, for example, the probability that a macaque, if you put it at a computer, will type "War and Peace".

[Thrifty]

Ukriy has clearly gone crazy Why is a rocket scared at the final stage of flight before hitting the target and suddenly reduces its flight speed - the engine is tired??? Yes, there are clearly huge problems with the brain!

[VZEM100]

Apparently there are problems with precise guidance at this speed, so it is being reduced

[Thrifty]

VZEM100 - are you kidding me like that? A decrease in speed also means a decrease in kinetic moment, which allows the missile to hit targets such as underground bunkers and tunnels!

[VZEM100]

I remember another reason for the decrease in speed is heating in dense layers

[Thrifty]

VZEM100 - is saved from heating by the plasma cloud formed around the rocket. And, taking into account the flight time in dense layers of the atmosphere, it simply does not have time to warm up to high temperatures in a few seconds. The heating that the rocket body experiences is not critical, because the rocket body is clearly not made of duralumin or galvanized...

[VZEM100]

They assume that the reason for the speed reduction to 2-3M is to ensure communication and/or the operation of the homing head in the last leg of the flight. The fact that the speed is reduced is also confirmed by Russian experts. So don't make up nonsense.

[Thrifty]

VZES100 - you are the one writing the most real nonsense! Why then do we need hypersonic missiles at all, if their advantage is precisely in high speed and, as a consequence, in high kinetic energy and the ability to hit targets such as a bunker located deep underground! At a speed of 5000 km / h, a missile is not able to penetrate meters of reinforced concrete, unlike a missile that hits this bunker at a speed of 12000 km / h and higher! And there are more experts in the country than fish in a pond, even you probably consider yourself an "expert" if you write something like this!!!!!!!

[VZEM100]

well, it’s stupid with a cast iron blank according to the adversary
if you read it carefully, the main emphasis is on the ability to overcome pro and not on kinetic energy.

[cmax]

https://defence24.pl/wojna-na-ukrainie-raport-specjalny-defence24/cyrkony-zestrzelone-nad-kijowem-upada-kolejny-mit-kremla-komentarz

[VZEM100]

They have different warheads and kinetic energy is not a determining factor.

[alexoff]

Or maybe no one is reducing anything, and this is a universal answer, like a dagger? They also said about the dagger that it reduces speed, which is why they shoot them down in dozens. Who doesn’t believe that Kremlin agent?

[sifgame]

Who told you that they are reducing it?

[VZEM100]

https://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2021-09-30/8_1160_hypersound.html

[alexoff]

The writer and historian considered that for the seeker to work, it is necessary to reduce the speed by three times. Let's leave aside how anti-aircraft missiles from the S400 or, for example, the R-37M fly, for which all this works even near the ground at speeds of six or more machs

[VZEM100]

Naturally, he did not consider anything but studied the issue using the available open information.

[alexoff]

For what? What are the primary sources? Just wondering what kind of braking mechanism is there when the altitude decreases?

[VZEM100]

probably aerodynamic drag and the processes it causes in the surface layer of the device. . one can roughly estimate the drag force at such speeds and the braking time.

[alexoff]

There the decrease is 10-15 seconds, can you imagine the overload? The rocket doesn't seem to look like an iron.

[VZEM100]

let's assume that for our missile hypersonic speed is 5-6M. in 10-15 seconds we need to reduce the speed by 1500-2000m/sec, the acceleration is approximately 100m/sec. sq. this is 10g/ - the most common overload considering that guided missiles accelerate with overloads of 100g

[alexoff]

I thought 8-10, but hypersonic is already 5 machs, and 4 is already subsonic!
Tell us better how the seekers of the S-400 missiles work, do they also slow down in front of the target perhaps?

[VZEM100]

Even if 8-10 overloads are still acceptable.

[VZEM100]

subsonic is not needed... the plasma cloud needs to disappear.

[alexoff]

Where does the plasma cloud disappear from a rocket from an S-400 flying at the same hypersonic speed? Is there anything other than speculation?

[VZEM100]

need to figure it out. everything should have an explanation. if I manage to do this I will definitely share the information with you. at one time I studied at the rocket department of one of the universities in the specialty of designing unmanned aerial vehicles, so I understand a little. unfortunately, later I did not have the opportunity to work in my specialty directly due to the collapse of the country and the resulting upheavals.
I wanted to get a job at one of the factories in Sverdlovsk, but it was going downhill at the time, they told me we don't need engineers, and that was the end of it.

[alexoff]

Sad stories followed, as I expected.

[VZEM100]

anti-aircraft missiles fly in approximately one direction in the line of sight zone, maintaining their position in space relative to the control point. Their antenna can be placed in the aerodynamic shadow zone and expect controllability and communication to be maintained throughout the entire flight segment. But this will not work with air-to-ground and ground-to-ground missiles. This is also an assumption.

[alexoff]

In the aerodynamic shadow zone, anti-aircraft missiles have a constantly running engine. You obviously don’t know how the radar of these missiles works, apparently also from the shadows. Your concocted assumptions are traditionally not worth a damn

[VZEM100]

any protrusion will create a shadow

[VZEM100]

https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/radioprozrachnost-ionizovannoy-obolochki-obrazuyuscheysya-vokrug-giperzvukovogo-obekta-v-mezosfere

[alexoff]

Great, you’ve finally decided to find out that it turns out you can operate a radar in hypersound. There is very little left and you will understand that there is no need to slow down at all, this will cause more problems.

[VZEM100]

https://russiancouncil.ru/analytics-and-comments/analytics/vsemirnyy-zabeg-na-giperzvukovuyu-skorost/

[VZEM100]

The Americans used specially created aerodynamic shadow zones to provide communication on hypersonic aircraft. You are no opponent because you have no scientific thinking at all. And you are trying to insult and humiliate those who have it and you are unable to win the argument.

[VZEM100]

and the most original and promising method developed and tested jointly by the Germans and Americans is an antenna with an electric field that repels plasma

[alexoff]

Quote: VZEM100

The Americans used specially created aerodynamic shadow zones to ensure communications on hypersonic aircraft

I'm happy for them. How is the radar on the R-37M ensured? Or is he working via radio communication from an aerodynamic shadow?

Quote: VZEM100

your opponent is no good because there is no scientific thinking at all

you have no idea about scientific thinking, you said here that your sketches need to be refuted, that the historian worked with materials that no one has seen.

Quote: VZEM100

and you try to insult and humiliate those who have it, but you are unable to win the argument

It’s not true, I insult and humiliate only those who have God knows what they think about themselves and even sitting up to their ears in manure tries to tell them that it’s actually chocolate.

[VZEM100]

I don’t give a damn about all your propaganda.

[alexoff]

Yes, it’s clear that you prefer all the propaganda, because Ukrainian sites, half of the Internet, have been blocked for you!

[VZEM100]

S-400 missiles are said to operate at overloads of up to 22g, that’s the upper limit for such aircraft

[alexoff]

So what about speeds? You are always carried away. By the way, when braking in such a short period of time, the fairing will not heat up to high temperatures, which will automatically create a plasma cloud?

[VZEM100]

it can be assumed that the plasma begins to envelop it even as it approaches the deceleration section in the upper layers. it needs to be reset or weakened somehow.

[VZEM100]

The Americans who tracked these flights in real time have hundreds of pounds of detailed information. and as always they hide it from us.

[alexoff]

The Americans also hide and say that they don’t know how to shoot down. And the susushniks only tell, and do not show, data from radars.
In general, it turns out that hypersound is complete garbage, since it is subsonic, everything can be shot down over the target. After all, Russian designers, in order for the inertial control system to work, came up with a clever system for reducing speed in front of the target, specially modifying the missiles to such overloads

[VZEM100]

Everywhere has its pitfalls. in this case, loss of communication and controllability.

[alexoff]

You see, this is all your speculation. Let's get back to the facts. Where is at least one visual evidence other than the opinions of historians? Radar data? Words from the developers?

[VZEM100]

so the opposite statements, according to your logic, are exactly the same conjectures, and the developer can say anything for the purpose of advertising or misleading the enemy. I’m just arguing that such information may well have some basis. and you try to prove the opposite. How will you implement control and radio communication through the plasia layer?

[alexoff]

Radio communication is similar to the R-37M. Or do you think this problem has not been solved?

the developer can claim anything for advertising purposes

Are the daggers exported? And the info won’t come up instantly?

disorientation of the enemy

only he already knows, but for some reason he is silent

I’m just arguing that such information may well have some basis

Or it may not have, there are no facts, there are only the words of extremely dubious individuals.

and you try to prove the opposite

So this is already a matter of faith, try to prove that there is no Santa Claus?

[VZEM100]

By the way, even on this site the function of targeting a comment by the bell does not work, and you are arguing about hypersonic missiles.

[alexoff]

What other arguments will you have? Will you cry and tell about your difficult childhood?

[VZEM100]

Here's an argument where a PhD aunt from Bauman writes that neither the Dagger nor the Iskander are hypersonic missiles in the literal sense since they do not achieve these speeds throughout the entire flight trajectory. Educate yourself, uncle. https://ptsj.ru/articles/710/710.pdf

[VZEM100]

........................ and 5M is already hypersound.

[poquello]

Quote: VZEM100

are not literally hypersonic missiles because they do not realize these speeds along the entire flight path.

along the way, you will be appointed as the next speaker, this one at least thought of linking the approximate target speed for the S400 missiles at Mach 4,5 (stated 4,8) to the attack missiles, although he did not realize that the missile also intercepts, well, the speed is 4,5 for some reason then for reasons the maximum speed of the Pak3 target from the Petriot is Mach 4,1)))), somehow it doesn’t bother you at all that the trajectory begins from the start, and adjustments to the target may not occur at the final section

[alexoff]

Dear, are you a masochist? Now for every second word I’ll dunk you in a vat of you know what

where is aunty candidate of sciences

At the end of the article - Elena Albertovna Vafina, student of the department
Auntie is terrible, I found this auntie on VKontakte, now this specialist is 24 years old, then he was 21 years old. Simply the arbiter of destinies!
And seriously, are candidates of sciences going to scare me? I arranged a showdown with doctors and professors, and having a PhD only means that there will be more demand per person.

in the literal sense, hypersonic missiles because they do not realize these speeds along the entire flight path.

Oh yes, these special speed criteria are everywhere! Sorry there is no link. Although let’s open the links, and what’s there? Businessman, expert, Air Force. But why bother with a student who probably published her first article in a university journal for undergraduate and graduate students? She probably wanted a bonus to the scholarship; she pays students extra for that.

You see, these are the sources that once again assure that the missiles are flying normally and are not slowing down anywhere. Since braking before a goal is talked about either by people who have traveled like you, or by Ukrainian specialists, for whom Jesus is Ukrainian

[VZEM100]

Do you think students are fools? Every student is a potential academician.
For example, as a student, I proposed a way to increase the efficiency of aerodynamic rudders of rockets at supersonic flight speeds. It turned out that some American from among us invented it before me and raked in some pretty good money for it.

[alexoff]

You so ignored the fact that the aunt, a candidate of sciences, turned into a third-year student who squeezed out a mini-review about hypersound without a single calculation at the level of comments on the

[VZEM100]

Why was half of the Internet blocked for us?

[alexoff]

Who is this for? Tsipsoshniks or Kashchenko’s patients?

[VZEM100]

Quote from alexoff

Who is this for? Tsipsoshniks or Kashchenko’s patients?

this is your level. Instead of a normal discussion, the transition to insults.

[alexoff]

So you decided to turn the discussion into a circus with some old woman’s gossip and stories that the authorities are hiding. Do you want respect? You have to earn it

[Disant]

VZEM100(Vladimir)
https://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2021-09-30/8_1160_hypersound.html

This article is about CHINESE hypersound.
In Russia, for such discussions of daggers and other things, attempts to get people to talk - you will be jailed for 20 years.
Where are you broadcasting from?

[VZEM100]

and at least about Uzbek https://ptsj.ru/articles/710/710.pdf
you'll put her in jail too

[Disant]

In the article, under the guidance of the right people, she outlined a number of well-known and little-known accessible facts, referring to the 1962 theory.
and you deliberately provoke people to explain, finding out who knows what.

[VZEM100]

what are you talking about? They provoke me and try to find out something. only the provocateur has already disappeared.
As for this topic, I don't consider it some kind of sacred cow. If there were more discussions like this, we would probably be less behind the West.

[alexoff]

What to provoke you? You are here a true witness of the release of speed rockets in front of the target. Previously, the dagger slowed down, now the zircon also slowed down. Why? Because! Otherwise, we’ll suddenly fall behind the West, which doesn’t even have that!

[VZEM100]

I don’t work in the bureau that develops them and I have every right to reason and make assumptions, and if some of them turn out to be close to the truth, then excuse me, uncle.

[VZEM100]

what chinese go to sleep

[Mazunga]

the rocket's back just started to itch and stopped on the fence, scratching itself and then kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaible it was going though...'

[carpenter]

Quote: Thrifty

The Ukrainian has clearly gone crazy. Why on earth would a missile suddenly slow down at the final stage of its flight before hitting its target—its engine is tired?

A saucepan on the head reduces the rocket's speed. It's time to understand.

[S.Z.]

"the speed decreases and becomes subsonic - approximately Mach 4,5"

A speed exceeding the speed of sound by 4.5 times is considered subsonic in military conditions.

[Valery_Erickson]

So swing is not the speed of sound. It's so much more

[Dutchman Michel]

So swing is not the speed of sound. It's so much more

This is a completely different frame of reference

[BMP-2]

The full text of the resolution apparently looked like this: “A speed exceeding the speed of sound by 4.5 times is considered subsonic in military conditions, and the Zircon missile is considered a low-speed static target!”

[Mazunga]

and who exactly is this fellow African track and field athlete Mach))?

[Valery_Erickson]

The states don't, but the xoxlovs do. Come on...

[bug120560]

And I personally am not surprised. Just look at his photo, he is a cheerful representative of that part of the racehorses that firmly believes in the Black Sea dug out by shovels from mammoths. Narrowly specialized doctors give such a clear diagnosis - a clinic.

[sifgame]

Oh well, let him "knock it down", you can't contradict the mental, otherwise it becomes violent.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19

The Ukrainian Armed Forces have the necessary means to shoot down Russian hypersonic missiles

Considering that today the Russian Aerospace Forces bombed Kharkov with KAB high-explosive fragmentation bombs, the "necessary resources" remain only in the Boryspil area, but even there they will soon run out.

[rocket757]

Ilya Yevlash, recently appointed to the post of Speaker of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, said:

. Such a “miracle” replaces the local one... who knows what and how it can replace it.

[Huarabey]

It is clear then how they dig up the seas. If the dill has different physical principles, then it is not surprising. Their owners are rewriting history, but xoxoл went further and rewrote the laws of physics. Now you can really believe in jars of cucumbers))

[singless]

The Ukrainian Armed Forces have the necessary means to shoot down Russian hypersonic missiles, but they do not have the ability to fly too fast

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Of course there is: jars of pickles and tomatoes.

[Tagan]

Quote from alexoff

Data obtained from Israeli military expert Voyaki

Not only that! Recently, a lost Pole nicknamed "Western" has been hanging around here. So, he told us with a straight face that even the old Patrick modifications easily cope with any Russian hypersonic missiles, which in his opinion are not even such. According to Polish manuals, Russia cannot have hypersonic missiles under any circumstances.

[Victal]

Zircon probably throws out a braking parachute in order to reach subsonic))))))

[VZEM100]

To do this, it is necessary to reduce the engine thrust or turn it off altogether at a certain distance to the target, which can be calculated by the control system, and the atmosphere will play the role of a parachute.

[Prisoner]

Yeah. No one has it, but they have it. Although...a jar of salted tomatoes? I somehow forgot about this.

[Man from afar]

Well, naturally, judging by their reports, they knock down daggers even when they are attached to the carriers, if not in the workshops.

[fiv]

One means of knocking down everything goes to the owners, asks for handouts. And knocking down hypers is categorically with satiation.

[Saladine]

There are still a lot of jars of pickled cucumbers. Zircons - be afraid!

[VZEM100]

I'm not tired of repeating this nonsense

[vvnab]

Why does the Air Force need a speaker? Are the others there deaf and dumb? ))

[Tenebrosi]

I would have shot it down, but I'm already in my pajamas.

[Yuri L]

They actually have such a product, developed 2 years ago in collaboration with Rayteon (USA), called SGZBO-ZbO (super hyper sound cucumber jar launched by grandma Oksana)

[Paradox163]

I wouldn't be surprised if they introduce the Death Star to the world by the end of the year...

[ALCA056000]

This is also a discovery for me! How long has it been since the rocket was shot down by the granny can? Qualification has increased - now even hypersound will not fly

[TermNachTer]

Sniffy schnobel zeneloch?)))

[Normann]

But for some reason they don’t know about it, just like the manufacturers of these missiles

[Viktor Sergeev]

Yeah, virtual glasses and coke.

[VZEM100]

Quote from alexoff

only he already knows, but for some reason he is silent

Naturally, no one will inform the enemy that he knows everything, at least so as not to lose the source of information

[Yun Klob]

Let them fly
And they meet no obstacles anywhere...

In the USSR they knew how to make good songs.

[avdkrd]

Negative selection works well when there is a power vacuum and it needs to be filled with any scum, but your own. It seems like the power in the pig-potamia is firmly held by its sweaty palms by the pig Napoleon and it seems like it has been for a long time. It remains to be happy with such personnel in a far from the last position among non-brothers. I wonder what 1 Mach is equal to, in the coordinate system of this physics expert? How subsonic is the speed of 4,5 Mach? A little bit, or completely-completely?))))))

[Aleksandr58]

I don't understand the humor! Since when is Mach 4,5 a subsonic speed? Amers dream of making hypersound with 4,5 M, but something doesn’t work out. Clients are not good at math.

[Sergey Prutkov55]

Binoculars on the distant approaches. Closer glasses. Berdanka will help them. And depending on your luck. One grandmother in Kyiv used jars of cucumbers to knock everything down. Probably already a hero of the outskirts.

[cmax]

Translation of the article, source blog defence-blog.com
According to English-language sources, the American air defense system shot down two Zircon missiles. One of them had minor damage. It seems that the warhead and ramjet engine can be examined.

It is possible that the launch was carried out from a ground installation; the weight of the warhead (only 40 kg) was surprising. The article below talks about this.
Perhaps the enemy source exaggerated everything, especially since some of the information is from the Ukrainians, but apparently there is some truth in the article. There is a photo of the warhead and part of the cruise missile.
Don't scold too much. The information is interesting from all sides. If the Zircon has any problems, I think it, like other weapons, can be improved. Where else, if not in war, can one check the inherent characteristics.
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Analysts have revealed the secret characteristics of Russia's phantom 3M22 Zircon hypersonic cruise missile, intercepted by US missile defense systems over Kiev on March 25.

An intelligence document obtained by Defense Express said experts who examined the remains of intercepted missiles concluded that Russia had indeed developed a hypersonic ramjet engine for the Zircon. Unlike the Kh-47 Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missile, the Zircon maintains sustained hypersonic speed, representing a significant advance in Russian missile technology.

The Zircon launch sequence includes an initial "mortar" launch followed by activation of the booster stage, which propels the missile to a high altitude and reaches hypersonic speed. During flight at altitudes of several tens of kilometers, Zircon reaches a constant speed of up to Mach 5,5, mitigating thermal loads in a rarefied atmosphere.
Analysis of the Zircon warhead revealed an unexpected fact: the weight of its warhead, estimated at approximately 100-150 kg with up to 40 kg of explosive, is significantly lower than that of other anti-ship missiles. This raises questions about its effectiveness against larger naval vessels such as destroyers or aircraft carriers.
Given the pace of production, the cost of Zircon could soar to a dozen million, which will create problems for its mass introduction. Moreover, its resource-intensive development phase implies limited production capacity, potentially ranging from several tens to several hundred units per year.

Contrary to propaganda claims, the suitability of the Zircon for its intended purpose, targeting large warships and aircraft carriers, remains uncertain. Zircon's complexity and higher resource requirements could further slow production rates, highlighting the challenges facing its deployment.

[APASUS]

Yevlash noted that Russian hypersonic missiles are very fast weapons, while the flight speed of the Zircon reaches approximately Mach 8-9 (Mach 1 is about 1,2 thousand km/h). However, according to the speaker of the Armed Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, when these missiles enter an impact trajectory, their speed decreases and becomes subsonic - approximately Mach 4,5.

How did you get a position in the Air Force, you can’t even count?

[VZEM100]

https://telegra.ph/Osnovnye-napravleniya-razvitiya-giperzvukovogo-oruzhiya-vozdushnogo-bazirovaniya-v-SSHA-08-23

[VZEM100]

https://scientificrussia.ru/articles/kak-ustanovitj-sviazj-so-sverhzvukovym-samoletom

[VZEM100]

https://naked-science.ru/article/tech/raketa-iskander
The Iskander missile can use both radar and optical homing heads. The radar head with the index 9B918 was introduced in 2009 to modify the 9M723-1F missile. The use of an optical homing head (index 9E436) is possible by reducing the speed at the target to supersonic values ​​of 700-800 meters per second, at which a hot plasma layer does not form that blinds the homing head.

[VZEM100]

https://ukraina.ru/20230104/1042351442.html
The maximum lifting altitude of the Iskander is about 100 km. The maximum flight range is 500 km with the 9M723 missile. The main part of the trajectory lies at an altitude of more than 50 km, which makes the Iskander inaccessible to anti-missile missiles.
The speed at the end of the acceleration section is 2100 m/s. The speed at the beginning of the finishing section is 2600 m/s. The speed when approaching the target is 800 m/s.

[VZEM100]

https://habr.com/ru/articles/401297/
The American approach in this article is essentially the use of aerodynamic shadow zones