Japan is going to shoot a "methane hydrate gun" to impress Russia

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“Not by hook or by crook” - this is how one can characterize the messages of the world media about the “breakthrough scientific achievements” of some countries in terms of extracting energy from a new type and reducing the role of Russia in supplying oil and gas to the world market.

We did not have time to debate about how the United States of America declared itself the main “shale revolutionaries”, promising to reduce the EU’s dependence on energy supplies from Russia, as information from the East loomed on the horizon. It turns out that the Japanese authorities are also not satisfied with the situation of high gas prices, and therefore are moving almost to large-scale production of so-called gas hydrates.



Earlier this month, information came from Tokyo that the Japanese corporation of oil, gas and metals conducted a detailed study of the subsoil under the ocean floor at a distance of 65-70 km from the Atsumi peninsula. According to the results of this study, it turned out that in these very depths there are concentrated impressive stocks of the so-called methane hydrate, which is a crystalline mass, somewhat reminiscent of friable snow. According to Japanese media reports, as early as this month, several leading energy companies are about to begin mining methane hydrate, from which ordinary methane will be subsequently released. By 2018, Japan intends to go into industrial production of methane from gas hydrate mined under the ocean floor.

A number of, let us say, opposition publications in Russia readily swallowed this information and have already noted with publications in which it is reported that Russia has no more than 5 years to feel relatively free as a supplier of energy to the world market. They say that in Europe, dear Russian gas will not be needed by anyone soon, since American and British companies are going to develop shale gas deposits in Ukraine, and the Japanese are coming from the East, who will finally poison the Russian economy with their methane hydrate. The obvious and difficult to explain information gloating in publications about the fact that “Russia is the end” makes you just shrug your shoulders and somewhat dissipate the impenetrable skepticism that marks the publications both in Russia and abroad.

No, the Japanese, of course, well done ... They abandoned nuclear energy, increased gas imports by 11% per year, and immediately declared that they were starting to extract their gas from crystalline gas hydrate. And what remains for them to do, no matter how they talk about the bright energy prospects - an exceptionally cloudless energy future through the use of their "homegrown" gas ...
The refusal of atomic energy, which was declared by the previous government of the Land of the Rising Sun after the terrible accident at the Fukushima nuclear power plant, was at first amicably supported by the Japanese and especially those who consider themselves to be the so-called “green league”. Japan is an environmentally friendly country with environmentally friendly production! What a wonderful slogan for a party that wants to get into the country's parliament.

However, it is one thing when the cabinet ministers and parliamentarians impose beautiful slogans on citizens, and quite another when the same citizens receive bills to pay for housing services, much larger than they came before the suspension of the Japanese NPPs. It is worth recalling that the share of nuclear power plants in Japan in 2010 was almost 30,6% of the energy market, and after the program to reduce the role of nuclear energy in the life of the Rising Sun, the burden of electricity generation fell on gas power plants. Now the market share of gas power plants in Japan is 59,6%.

When the average Japanese paid for the same kilowatt * hour of electricity by almost 30% more than they paid two years ago, with inflation below 0,3% per year, you can imagine how such accounts were perceived by ordinary people in the country. And if we take into account that about 43% of the total electricity produced in Japan is taken up by industry, the government had to take extraordinary measures so that Japanese products could remain competitive in regional and global markets. The extraordinary nature of the measures was that for the first time in many years the state actually directly decided to intervene in the economy, having poured into it subsidies. However, for Japan this could not continue indefinitely, and therefore the new government of the country spoke that it was time to defreeze the nuclear power plant. They say that not all these stations are so dangerous ... You can think of something to increase their protection from the elements ... The Minister of Economy, Industry and Trade of Japan, Mr. Motegi, even said that as soon as the check revealed the safety of the reactors, they would immediately be decontaminated. But before it, the authorities swore that until 2040, not a single reactor "would poison the vastness of the country."

Obviously, after the Minister’s words, the reactors will be recognized as safe. How could it be otherwise! After all, the Japanese government is not going to continue to plunge into energy problems. Here, as they say, not to the environment ...

For obvious reasons, the Japanese business took the information about the possible “defrosting” of nuclear power plants with enthusiasm, and therefore the shares of a number of Japanese companies gained some weight. At about the same time, Tokyo announced its views on the very gas hydrates with which, reportedly, the subsoil resources are rich so that this gas may be enough for Japan for the next 10 years.
Such data came to Russia, as if emphasizing that if Russia still wants to supply gas to the Country of the Rising Sun, then it is necessary to think about a real price reduction. However, one should not forget that Tokyo buys energy resources not only in Russia. Our country still provides no more than 9% of Japanese gas imports. The remaining volumes are assumed by other suppliers, in particular, Qatar and the USA.

The Japanese authorities realize that the longer they refuse to use atomic energy, the more dependent they will be on foreign energy suppliers. First of all, Tokyo is concerned that a further increase in gas purchases in Russia may allow Moscow to exert pressure on Japanese authorities on the South Kuriles. As the saying goes, you will attack the South Kuril "corns", turn off the gas ... And go ahead and compensate the deprivation of 9% ...

This state of affairs is clearly not satisfied with the Japanese authorities, and therefore, in addition to statements about the possible resumption of the work of most Japanese nuclear power plants, the theme of Japanese methane hydrate is being discussed. However, the difficulty for the Japanese is that the extraction of gas hydrates is associated with drilling 300-400-meter wells at an ocean depth of more than 1 km. The pressure during such mining will be enormous, which can lead to clearly negative consequences. There is another problem. The extraction of methane hydrate is not just pumping through a pipe, but raising crystals to the surface of the ocean. So far there is no more or less acceptable technology that allows raising the gas hydrate to the surface without loss of the gas itself. Risks to pull out, shall we say, empty net is too great. Moreover, the loss of methane from the subsoil to the surface through a kilometer thick seawater will lead to an increase in methane concentration in the water itself, which can lead to a real environmental catastrophe, which will be no less negative for the environment than the problems with nuclear power plants. Fukushima.

Experts from the World Wildlife Fund have already expressed to the Japanese authorities their concerns about plans for large-scale methane production of methane hydrate. In particular, WWC reports that methane is a greenhouse gas, and a local increase in its concentration in the ocean can lead to an increase in temperature and the disappearance of marine plants and animals. WWC specialists recall the research on the so-called Permian extinction, when the release of methane from the subsoil led to tragic consequences for living organisms (about 95% of all living organisms died out 251 a million years ago). Those events, one of the scientists even christened a shot from a methane hydrate gun.

However, when the issue of economic security is at stake, all fears of wildlife defenders are perceived as paranoia or unscientific fantasy. And because in Japan, while trying not to dwell on the fact that Tokyo does not have safe technologies for the production of gas hydrate. The main thing is to conduct high-quality PR, so that the public does not know about the side effects of the extraction of such raw materials. Moreover, the Japanese do not say that the studies of methane hydrate and its extraction were carried out even 40 years ago in the USSR under the direction of VG Vasiliev. Those studies led scientists to conclude that it is possible to extract methane hydrate, but it will only be too expensive to cost, and in addition, the risks of such production are too great.

Today, Tokyo is trying to say that during 40 years of research on a more or less safe technology for extracting gas hydrate from the ocean has not been developed, and in a couple of months, Japanese experts will solve this problem ... There is no doubt that production will begin, but we will only find out we are about its consequences - a big question. After all, even about Fukushima from Tokyo for a long time was said that this was not an accident at all, but a slight misunderstanding ...
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  1. +9
    6 February 2013 07: 06
    Well, this is more likely out of despair than out of real necessity ... for sure there the USA noted - "they say, we are the main shale revolucians, and you (the Japs) are appointed the main methane hydrate revolutionaries. Let's show the mother Japanese to Russian Gazprom!"
    They will scoop up the ecology both at home and with us ... for sure more than half of the air released into the atmosphere will be bled, only after all, the hell is recognized ....
    1. +2
      6 February 2013 07: 34
      Quote: Hammer
      Well, it’s more from hopelessness than from real necessity ...
      After Fokusima, alas, this is an urgent need ...
      1. Crescent
        -18
        6 February 2013 09: 53
        For the Japanese glad - well done. Hardworking, smart nation, you see, everything will work out for them - even if they are mined from the depths of the ocean, even from the surface of the moon. In turn, we do not need to lower prices, but raise them! Since the volume of gas supplied will decrease, we will catch up on the lost profits with an increase in prices!
        1. alexandr00070
          -4
          6 February 2013 10: 13
          Quote: Crescent
          in turn, we need not to lower prices, but to raise

          but isn’t that the government’s doing once every six months, they will take profit from us
          1. Crescent
            0
            6 February 2013 10: 23
            Quote: alexandr00070
            but isn’t that the government’s doing once every six months, they will take profit from us
            Before commenting, delve into the essence of the text. What do you think, which consumer did I propose to raise prices for non-renewable energy sources? I hear a ring, but I don’t know where he is.
          2. AndreyAB
            0
            6 February 2013 12: 36
            Well, let’s see the amy, guys, this is pure bullshit, you can’t get it from shale and other industrial production, which is necessary for industry and consumption, but to frighten the Russians - that’s yes, even someone was happy for them, but apparently it’s just the beginning then companies, about how to take and share Russian gas at all.
            1. 0
              7 February 2013 23: 27
              And we are not timid, but we will share gas only for money, that is, bash on bash and we will set the price ourselves. wassat hi
              1. Beck
                +1
                8 February 2013 10: 20
                Quote: Simon
                And we are not timid, but we will share gas only for money, that is, bash on bash and we will set the price ourselves


                In fact, the price is not set by the Offer, but first of all by Demand, and then a compromise is established - Demand-Offer.
        2. 0
          6 February 2013 15: 14
          Crescent,
          Hmm.
          Already several times noted the correspondence of the nickname and the posts!
          It is the floor! Both light and dark at a time! Yin / Yang is like that!
          Although
          Quote: Crescent
          For the Japanese glad - well done. Hardworking, smart nation, you see, they will succeed

          A very significant comment, I really think their youth, and hard work, and mind will be useful in resolving problems!
          Now she is creating a problem that she will heroically overcome later!
          Well, just like us. We can wait a little longer and another district will appear in Russia, with the governor-emperor at the head!
          And the gas would go at domestic prices!
          bully
          1. wax
            +2
            6 February 2013 16: 05
            Dear, look at your nickname.
            1. -3
              6 February 2013 16: 32
              Quote: Wax
              Dear, look at your nickname.

              But what is wrong with that?
              Are you scaring me ?!
              If my will
          2. Crescent
            +1
            6 February 2013 16: 58
            Quote: Cynic

            Already several times noted the correspondence of the nickname and the posts!
            In turn, I often note a complete lack of logic in the posts, and it would be half the trouble, but this is also added by a fair amount of envy.
            Quote: Cynic
            A very significant comment, I really think their youth, and hard work, and mind will be useful in resolving problems!
            Oddly enough, but you got to the point, in the shortest period of time this country from a backward, feudal one turned into a world leader, became one of the three largest economies in the world. But what can I say, it is enough to go out into the streets of any Russian city - the basins give way to reliable, comfortable "Japanese women".

            Quote: Cynic
            Now she is creating a problem that she will heroically overcome later!
            It is not worth it so clearly envy, nothing but contempt never envy anyone.
            1. +1
              6 February 2013 17: 21
              Quote: Crescent
              Oddly enough, but you got to the point, in the shortest period of time this country from a backward, feudal one turned into a world leader, became one of the three largest economies in the world. But what can I say, it is enough to go out into the streets of any Russian city - the basins give way to reliable, comfortable "Japanese women".

              И
              Quote: Crescent
              It is not worth it so clearly envy, nothing but contempt never envy anyone.

              Exactly . Often I note that besides contempt, admiration for others does not cause anything positive.
              Maybe because I was never ashamed of the result of my work?
              1. Crescent
                -1
                6 February 2013 19: 30
                Quote: Cynic
                Maybe because I was never ashamed of the result of my work?
                Namely, I have never been ashamed of the results of my work, which I also wish for you!
                1. 0
                  6 February 2013 19: 41
                  Quote: Crescent
                  I was never ashamed of the results of my work

                  And actually what kind of work?
            2. 0
              7 February 2013 00: 55
              Quote: Crescent
              Oddly enough, but you got to the point, in the shortest period of time, this country has turned from a backward, feudal country into a world leader,

              Sometimes it’s not bad to think and read before writing, "Backward" feudal country that had one of the best fighters of World War II and built aircraft carriers and battleships that are not inferior to the Americanno miracle, the complete absence of military spending for more than 40 post-war years would have turned Russia into a blooming garden
              1. Crescent
                0
                7 February 2013 05: 01
                Quote: Old Rocketman
                Sometimes it’s not bad to think and read before writing
                Why, dear, do not follow your own advice? Think first, then write. Fables about the lack of military spending tell primary school children.
                I wrote above - do not envy!
                1. psdf
                  0
                  7 February 2013 09: 54
                  Share in the budget for years since 1945, please, pliz. Something like the year Japan USSR.
                  1. 0
                    7 February 2013 15: 08
                    Waiting for an answer?
                    I’m waiting too.
                    request
              2. +3
                7 February 2013 14: 41
                The almost complete absence of military spending for more than ten years after the collapse of the USSR, as well as the sale of military property in Russia from that collapse to the end of 2012, did not give in Russia a hint not only of a blooming garden, but also of a worn-out front garden. The Japanese cannot be denied the ability to work, to use resources and time wisely. And for us, than to panic (they say, the Japanese gasify on their own !!!) or grimace in a grin (they say, they won't get a shit !!!), it's easier to wait and see what they can do. Better yet (but this is no longer easier) to re-conduct research and try to develop the technology for the extraction of this gas hydrate ourselves, especially since the reserves of this hydrate in the oceans are innumerable, and the Kulibins in Russia have not yet died out. Moreover, in forty years science, technology and technology have gone far ahead. Probably they have not forgotten how once the Americans, after conducting research, declared that bodies cannot move at super speeds under water, but ours took, and made the "Shkval".
      2. Kaa
        +6
        6 February 2013 11: 15
        Quote: older
        this is an emergency

        Aha, this is how this "emergency" will look like. The main thing is not to smoke!
      3. wax
        +5
        6 February 2013 16: 03
        Alas, gas that springs from a well alone will always be cheaper in its production than gas that still needs to be made from something (shale, methane hydrates, etc.).
        1. +1
          6 February 2013 17: 44
          It is cheaper for the one who produces it, if nature has not endowed such wealth, then you have to use what you gave. If the cost of self-development of gas hydrates is tantamount to an external purchase, then why not do it yourself?
    2. +12
      6 February 2013 10: 42
      Quote: Hammer
      Well, it’s more from hopelessness than from real necessity ..

      Here the matter is completely different, remember what moves there - here are the prices on exchanges ... The correct answer is - Rumors! Confirmed rumors affect the price more strongly, rumors from the realm of science fiction - a little, but if you throw out a lot of them and immediately you can achieve great results.
      You can fight this by creating counter rumors, such as "discovered a microbe devouring gas and oil belay " feel
      1. +2
        6 February 2013 12: 00
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        It's a completely different matter.

        I agree, since prices are high and there are no alternatives, they are trying by hook or by crook to achieve a price reduction.
      2. +2
        6 February 2013 13: 51
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        The correct answer is Rumors!

        It’s more correct to call it - information war.
      3. Misantrop
        0
        6 February 2013 21: 07
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        You can fight this by creating counter rumors, such as "discovered a microbe devouring gas and oil

        A poor-quality hearing. Scare them a little. But if you say that a technology has been developed for the inexpensive production of jewelry-quality diamonds from natural gas (and therefore Russia intends to reduce gas exports in order to start stamping tons of brulik) ... Here many are already pulling ... laughing
        1. +1
          7 February 2013 14: 55
          Gazprom, of course, will rejoice, but Alrosa will go around the world, and I have friends there who work on bulldozers. No, that's not an option either. It is necessary to hurt something that we do not have, but we really need it. Along the way, the price will fall on this, it's better for us, because we don't have it!
    3. 0
      6 February 2013 20: 54
      Quote: Hammer
      Let's show Japanese mother to Russian Gazprom! "

      As the saying goes: A good show is more expensive than money!
  2. -2
    6 February 2013 07: 32
    that yapi, that the chinas, behave as a by-product of evolution, it’s time to eliminate this tumor
  3. +19
    6 February 2013 07: 33
    A tear broke ... It’s interesting, do the Japanese themselves understand the crazy idea? With such production, the cost is huge, but not even this is important ... The country lives on seafood, and massive production, of course, will destroy part of marine animals and fish .. The country is in earthquake zone and who knows what will happen when drilling at such depths ...
    1. +7
      6 February 2013 08: 16
      This is from a series of alternative sources of electricity, such as wind turbines, tidal power plants. It seems that everything works and everything is great, but all the same, NPPs and state district power stations are not a couple. Well, let them play.
      1. Guran96
        +11
        6 February 2013 08: 54
        Yeah, and you can still get gas from cattle manure, feed the cattle better and more with the song ... Environmentally friendly biofuel, the Japanese can import it from us again, for cheap, we have this good in bulk)). Ukraine is easier, there is his Mr. bulk.
    2. borisst64
      0
      6 February 2013 10: 35
      Quote: older
      The country lives on seafood

      Japan has been eating imported food for a long time; it is not able to feed itself.
      1. Beck
        +2
        6 February 2013 19: 29
        In general, why such an article to attack Japan. Well, they want to produce their own gas, with their new method - The other is what’s the matter? In Mongolia, they decided to replace the local unproductive cattle with a highly productive European one, of course, with the costs of acclimatization - the other is from this.

        And in the article, the anxiety slips that the Japanese in energy resources will become independent and refuse to buy Russian gas. Selling is good, of course, but if you stop buying 5 percent of the goods, it’s also not a grief. All over the world, such issues are being resolved by the new conditions of sales - that's all. And the article almost brand Japan for their new technologies.

        And indeed, global development is taking its course. There was a time the main energy source was wood, then coal, now oil, tomorrow hydrogen and other forms of energy. Oil as such will lose its current meaning. And why not look to the future and develop new technologies ourselves, until they completely fell behind and were left with little useless oil in their hands. So no need to snap back on the development going forward.
        1. +2
          6 February 2013 19: 55
          Really
          Quote: Beck
          In general, why such an article to attack Japan.

          Well, they screwed up, maybe with methane hydrates, so what?
          When the tsunami hit Fukushima, it became clear on the consequences of Russia's turn "sixth". So it will be with methane hydrates.
          To the south, to the south!
          Yes blackmail bluffing in politics is quite respectable!
        2. mda
          mda
          0
          6 February 2013 20: 10
          Quote: Beck
          And why not look to the future and develop new technologies ourselves

          And which technologies? Shale? Mitangidrat? Windmills to use?
          1. Beck
            +1
            6 February 2013 20: 24
            Quote: mda-a
            And which technologies? Shale? Mitangidrat? Windmills to use?


            And this is not a question for me. It is necessary to apply to Skolkovo also to the RAS.
            1. mda
              mda
              0
              6 February 2013 20: 40
              Quote: Beck
              And this is not a question for me. It is necessary to apply to Skolkovo also to the RAS.

              It really hurts to go far to Skolkovo from the Rostov region
              1. Beck
                0
                6 February 2013 21: 03
                Quote: mda-a
                It really hurts to go far to Skolkovo from the Rostov region


                So here you are ... what? Not only do you not pay debts, you are also lazy. There you are.
                1. mda
                  mda
                  0
                  7 February 2013 20: 02
                  Quote: Beck
                  So here you are ... what? Not only do you not pay debts, you are also lazy. There you are.

                  Can’t even get too lazy?
        3. Misantrop
          +1
          6 February 2013 21: 20
          Quote: Beck
          Well, they want to produce their own gas, with their new method - The other is what’s the matter?

          Yes, about the same as with Fukushima. 80% of the radioactive crap from the emergency station went into the ocean, pretty damaging coastal ecology. Now they’ll add methane there. They will drill a bunch of wells around their islands (and there the geology is unstable to the limit). At one far from perfect moment, all this island nation will begin to stink and crumble (like Atlantis). And immediately the question arises - where to put more than 100 million people than to feed, what to wear., Where to place? And the Japanese managed to quarrel with ALL neighbors. So if you move them to the continent, it will be the second Israel ... Well, who needs it?
          Quote: Beck
          Oil as such will lose its current meaning.
          And in the course that, according to chemists, burning oil is stupid and wasteful. As a raw material for the chemical industry, oil will not lose its value for a VERY long time.
          1. Beck
            +1
            6 February 2013 21: 35
            Quote: Misantrop
            Yes, about the same as with Fukushima. 80% of the radioactive crap from the emergency station went into the ocean, pretty damaging coastal ecology. Now they’ll add methane there.


            Well, nobody canceled safety. If there was Chernobyl, this does not mean abandoning all nuclear technology. This is the moment to improve this technology.

            Quote: Misantrop
            And in the course that, according to chemists, burning oil is stupid and wasteful. As a raw material for the chemical industry, oil will not lose its value for a VERY long time.


            And nobody denies this. Burning oil is a waste. But it just so happens that about 50% of oil is burned in cars. So technology goes forward. Electric cars are being created. While in small batches. But on the back bank of the United States, Teslo has already built the first purely electric car. Has already built industrial facilities. And it is already starting the mass production of electric vehicles, which are not inferior in performance characteristics to gasoline ones. Roughly, if in 20 years all cars are electric, then the demand for oil will fall by half. I wrote to this comment.
            1. +1
              6 February 2013 23: 05
              Quote: Misantrop
              Roughly, if in 20 years all cars will be electric, then the demand for oil will fall by half. I wrote a comment to this.

              And where will the electricity come from? After all, it’s necessary to develop it somehow .. How long will it take to build gas and coal power plants? Or nuclear power plants, but the uranium in the world is also not infinite and it needs to be saved. This is today the only real possibility of interplanetary flights.
              1. Beck
                +2
                6 February 2013 23: 31
                Quote: bootlegger
                And where will the electricity come from?


                Of course this is a question. But everything is developing. And then to get the right amount of electricity at the same coal-fired power plants for all cars will be less expensive, more efficient, with less loss than if all these cars burn oil. After all, only electric cars will not develop. Energy technologies will also develop. There are now alternative types of energy and they will develop. They’ll also come up with new ones. The transition from oil is vital because of the environment.

                A simple example. Who 20 years ago could have foreseen the installation of telephones throughout the world. And now life without a mobile phone is not life. And in general, roughly, if the energy of the sun's rays falling on the earth in one day would be enough for humanity for years, it remains only to create effective solar technology.

                One cannot judge everything on the basis of the current state of affairs only.
            2. Misantrop
              +2
              7 February 2013 10: 39
              Quote: Beck
              Well, nobody canceled safety. If there was Chernobyl, this does not mean abandoning all nuclear technology.

              There is a fundamental difference between these two accidents (although there are common points too). In Chernobyl there was an illiteracy of the leadership, coupled with a stupid experiment. Which managed to limit the accident to one block. The third block (located in the same building as the fourth) was repaid as plannedtaking responsibility and sending away moronic teams from above. And during the year they created shelter for the destroyed block.

              Fukushima is also completely illiterate, but there was SOMEONE taking responsibility there, so it was blown up at an interval of several hours (namely, an explosionwhethernot a blastwere leaked)) all four working at the time of the disaster block. Not only this, the chain reaction at the emergency station (at least on one block) has not been extinguished so far, and I am not even talking about protective structures. No conclusions were made from the accident; there are NO training systems in Japan, respectively, there are no guarantees of not repeating what happened. And this is the fundamental difference between this situation and Chernobyl
    3. -1
      6 February 2013 14: 34
      Quote: older
      A tear broke ... It’s interesting, but the Japanese themselves understand the crazy idea

      Somehow the yapes were not seen in idle talk and for some reason it seems to me that they will succeed.
      Quote: older
      what happens when drilling at such depths.

      Is that a problem well 300-400m? at sea depth 1 km? You check the depth of the sea and is drilled in the Gulf of Mexico - for oil production.
      The absolute record for deepwater drilling was set in the 2004 year when the Discoverer Deel Seas drilling company Transocean and ChevronTexaco began drilling in the Gulf of Mexico (Alaminos Canyon Block 951) at a sea depth of 3053 meter.
      1. +2
        6 February 2013 15: 24
        Quote: atalef
        Somehow yapi were not seen in idle talk

        So yapi, not yapi politics!
        By the way, politicians do not have a nationality, especially political technology!
      2. Misantrop
        0
        6 February 2013 21: 25
        Quote: atalef
        You check the depth of the sea and the borehole in the Gulf of Mexico

        Remind me what was recently in that Gulf of Mexico? Just with an oil well, and not the deepest one ... feel And this despite the fact that there the area is seismically significantly more stable
    4. +2
      6 February 2013 15: 21
      Quote: older
      what happens when drilling

      From an emergency in the Gulf of Mexico the PLANET has not yet come to its senses! And it is completely unclear whether these surprises of nature occur within the framework of natural cyclic processes or have the domino principle been launched in the Gulf of Mexico?
      wink
  4. Bubo
    +9
    6 February 2013 07: 41
    As my mother says, "The way is open and the flag is in them ... yo!"
    They themselves are the main consumers of fish, now they will poison it all for themselves, and then they will be kumack what to eat. They'll probably come up with something like:

    - Do you have food?
    - Porridge ...
    - What?
    - Plastic ...

    from the movie "Kin-Dza-Dza"
  5. demon ada
    +4
    6 February 2013 07: 58
    flag in hand and drum on the neck of the Japanese
    let the water stir up only when there is a big balabum
    where they will be evacuated, again they will howl about the Kuril Islands.
    figs you and not smoked
  6. +3
    6 February 2013 07: 58
    what would the child not amuse))))))) good luck to the inventors - but somehow this idea looks dimly .......
  7. +4
    6 February 2013 07: 58
    To understand what a "Japanese" is, read Pikul, or ask the Chinese. And then we have more on the running characteristics of the Honda determine.
    1. +4
      6 February 2013 08: 18
      Quote: Kohl
      And then we have more on the driving characteristics of Honda determine.
      laughing As a multi-year and multi-engine hondaov I will say ... the characteristics are almost perfect ... Especially on the right-handed ...
  8. +6
    6 February 2013 08: 13
    I think we should leave the Japanese their "japanese problem"
    But who paid attention to what was noted in passing;
    Obvious and difficult to explain information gloating in publications about the fact that “Russia is the end”,

    It is gloating and
    Russian editions
    ! It doesn’t matter that they are opposed ..., most importantly, they expressed joy in the upcoming (?) Problems of Russia! If not ours, but maybe it’s really not ours for a long time and we have never been ours?
    1. Pit
      Pit
      +4
      6 February 2013 09: 30
      Quote: Cynic
      But who drew attention to the marked

      But this is exactly the main idea in the article, or rather, what is worth paying attention to. Whether they will get gas or not is not important in essence, although most likely they will not get it, it is really expensive. But the home-grown "liberal" should be sent to the development of new deposits, in the Kolyma region, so that they would not gloat.
  9. +1
    6 February 2013 08: 14
    it would be better if these primates didn’t do anything at all, otherwise they would screw up again and the whole world will suffer.
  10. +7
    6 February 2013 08: 16
    In vain, the yapozh gave such important information.
    Methanhydrates, dooo.
    Now the Chinese comrades will drive the fleet to the places where gas could be found and wring out the district man.
    Sadness to happen to fans of anime.
    1. 0
      6 February 2013 15: 33
      Quote: Onotolle
      In vain, the yapozh gave such important information.

      Mmm
      As if more precisely, the idea of ​​the last century, as if not the year before last!
      There is a computer cycle of Aqua games, there these methane hydrates are examined in sufficient detail
      laughing
    2. -4
      6 February 2013 17: 35
      you don’t worry anime lovers, they sit and watch TV peacefully, Japan has an agreement with the states, the Chinese won’t squeeze out anything with their bestial army, or are you afraid of the Chinese?!, and the next mess we all need is Talian, but the Japanese smarter than 99,9% of the peoples of the earth is a fact, they have all the options calculated ... and you are afraid of the Chinese, who mostly live like North Koreans - at the rear of the boat ... their cities are empty, because some Chinese not enough yuan to buy housing and feed ...
      1. Misantrop
        0
        7 February 2013 10: 50
        Quote: Lone gunman
        the Japanese are smarter than 99,9% of the peoples of the earth is a fact, they have all the options calculated ...
        The deepest delusion that the first thing is the second. But if people more stupid than the Japanese can still be found even by their comments on this site, then about the "calculation" - the paragraph is complete. They have NOTHING calculated, and in general there is no such habit of calculating. They have enough diligence, accuracy and perseverance - the fact is that they hold on to this
  11. xaxaes
    +4
    6 February 2013 08: 42
    Yes, they are swollen to the size of sumo fighters, to come up with how to pull crystals from such depths across a kilometer of the ocean, and then you still need to process it, where do you get the dough? and against the background of all the delights happening to them, this is generally ridiculous! It’s better to buy gas loot from Russia ...
  12. +1
    6 February 2013 09: 12
    Yes, close the pipe to the "revolutionaries" so that they come to their senses ...
  13. +3
    6 February 2013 09: 16
    And where are the "green" with its "greenhouse effect". After all, methane has a greenhouse effect many times more than carbon dioxide, and by-product emissions of methane will be large, especially since there are no technologies yet.
    In addition, the release of methane through the water column, when dissolved in it, reduces the density of water. Therefore, there may be problems with navigation in the methane production area.
  14. +2
    6 February 2013 09: 20
    And who will develop ??? US-British companies with the assistance of corrupt Japanese ?? Typical behavior of the Anglo-Saxons: Polluting the environment for dubious benefits ...... they are the same, they will drink cognac over the ocean in clean ecology and eat clean products, and Japan will turn into stinking islands ..... and then Russia will be blamed for everything, they say if it weren’t for our gas there was no environmental disaster .......
  15. +4
    6 February 2013 09: 33
    The depth of 1 km. - obviously, production will be unprofitable. The Japanese understand this and this is most likely psychological pressure on the gas market. But for Russia, which uses long-term contracts for gas supplies, these short-term fluctuations in gas prices will be insensitive. Most likely they will hit Qatar, which us "on hand".
  16. 0
    6 February 2013 09: 46
    It is necessary to develop, oil will also run out sometime ...
    And we all sell and sell.
  17. +2
    6 February 2013 09: 52
    Against the background of constant "breakthrough" discoveries, developments and other absurdities about which the West periodically shouts, I began to collect these "inventions" of discoveries and developments, this is just a reason to replenish the collection. When I have accumulated enough, I will definitely post it, we will laugh together.
    But seriously, the topic of methane hydrate is not new; deposits have been discovered for a long time. The same Japan announced this at the beginning of 2000, but the truth is quite different - they say there are reserves, but we have no idea how to get them. There is no technology and is not expected, but with the available technologies it is very expensive, dangerous and absolutely not profitable.
  18. Crescent
    0
    6 February 2013 09: 58
    A big request, if anyone has links to the latest information on Fukushima, please share. I can’t find it in any way.
    1. Misantrop
      0
      7 February 2013 11: 02
      Quote: Crescent
      I can’t find it in any way.

      And you won’t find it until you again create some transcendent stupidity. There, for many years, it’s a closed territory, precisely for this reason, nuclear liquidators from other countries were not allowed to come close to the station. Under the ruins of the emergency blocks, they have SUCH that under no circumstances will anyone be shown. Do not believe? Look for satellite images of this nuclear power plant before the accident and try to find a transformer station and discharge power lines on them. You will not find them, NO (what is available, by the transmitted power is only enough for backup external power to the power units themselves, no more) This NPP is not related to the country's energy system, all the energy of 6 not the weakest units was consumed IN THE PLACE, in underground plants (the whole area is bulk, the ground level is raised quite noticeably). Estimate yourself that you can HIDE, that even the development of a nuclear accident was not afraid, if only not to admit ... winked
  19. 0
    6 February 2013 10: 01
    shout and calm down it’s like in the market so that the price of a product is brought down
  20. +1
    6 February 2013 10: 10
    poor fellow Japs, live on a powder keg and at the same time try to play with matches
    1. +1
      6 February 2013 10: 37
      They are fatalists. Here is such a vivid example of this (the book "Sakura and Oak" by V. Ovchinnikov) - a Japanese clerk, on a small flight, when he came home from work he took out a hacksaw and began to saw off his head. Due to the fact that at work he was criticized by the boss.
  21. Vly
    Vly
    +3
    6 February 2013 10: 14
    The production of gas hydrates is a very real process, but very costly. This begs the question: if it is more profitable for the Japanese to produce gas hydrates compared to gas purchases, why is the price so high, is production, transportation efficient, etc.
    Threat article opportunistic too. By the way, Russia also has big plans for the development of gas hydrates, the colossal reserves of which have been explored on the Arctic shelf. But while the eye sees, the tooth is numb. (I dealt with the topic of gas hydrate production in graduate school in the late 90s and early 2000s)
  22. Tsoi is alive
    +5
    6 February 2013 10: 14
    A number of, let’s say, oppositional editions of Russia readily swallowed this information and were already noted by publications stating that Russia had no more than 5 left to feel relatively at ease as a supplier of energy carriers to the world market. Like, nobody will need expensive Russian gas in Europe soon, as American and British companies are planning to develop shale gas deposits in Ukraine, and Japanese are coming from the East, who will finally “poison” the Russian economy with their methane hydrate. The obvious and inexplicable informational gloating in publications about the fact that “Russia is the end” makes you just shrug your shoulders and dispel the impenetrable skepticism by which publications both abroad and in Russia are dispelled.

    "Russian media" is not a weak imitation, but simply a branch of Western media. Everything, including government ones. It is very difficult to find a point of view that contradicts the Washington regional committee in them, except perhaps for talk shows, where pro-Russian, but hysterical politicians are invited as a scarecrow. The reason is that the creators of news events - news agencies - are subordinate to the United States, and the media relay them. They conduct pro-Western propaganda more subtly than the Western mass media proper, but the direction of this propaganda has not changed, and does not change. This has become evident since the defeat of Inosmi by the leadership of RIA Novosti. And this is expressed not only in the "pushing" of prominent and charismatic pro-Russian media figures such as Pushkov, Leontyev or Ognev. But also in the coverage of any events. So, with each significant event (of the last - Fukushima and the war in Syria), there is more and more evidence that the Russian media and news agencies are branches of the American ones. So, NOWHERE it was possible to hear that Fukushima is not just a second Chernobyl, it is much worse than Chernobyl, almost nowhere was it advertised that the Fukushima nuclear power plant was built by Americans in a tsunami-dangerous area on the coast, almost never imported terrorists in Syria are called otherwise than "rebels", in the most objective cases they are called "militants".
  23. 0
    6 February 2013 10: 16
    belay What rifle were they going to shoot from? I barely read ...
    But actually, the Japanese are generators of ideas. I understand .... They need to, they have what ...
    1. Cheloveck
      +2
      6 February 2013 12: 58
      They are not generators.
      The mentality is not the same.
      They are the implementers of other people's ideas.
      So rather.
      1. +3
        6 February 2013 13: 56
        Quote: Cheloveck
        They are the implementers of other people's ideas.

        Quite right! In the last century (XX) a Japanese comrade made a fortune for himself by subscribing to the magazines "Young Technician" and "Technics of Youth". There were sections where our guys inventors shared various notions. He filed patents on all of this for himself.
        1. +3
          6 February 2013 15: 41
          Quote: Bort Radist
          In the last century (XX), one Japanese comrade made a fortune by writing himself

          To be more precise, it all started with the magazine "Science and Life"!
          And then it went, let's go! After all, then essentially in any publication there was a heading of useful tips!
          And x ... prove now! The patent is Japanese!
    2. AK-47
      +2
      6 February 2013 14: 34
      Quote: IRBIS
      But actually, the Japanese are generators of ideas.

      Yeah!
      The mind of the Japanese cannot be understood.
      But, you don’t need to shoot from any gun, the recoil can hit the shooter. And then, then a lot - a lot of harakiri will have to do.
    3. 0
      6 February 2013 15: 37
      Quote: IRBIS
      But actually, the Japanese are generators of ideas.

      Just list a little.
      About kamikaze and kara-te is not necessary!
      1. -1
        6 February 2013 17: 58
        Robotics, electronics and automation systems and their practical application, seismology and the construction of earthquake-resistant structures, hydroponics, ... Continue further or do you bother to search for yourself?
        1. +2
          6 February 2013 18: 19
          Ai-i-yy dear IRBIS !
          Talk about generating ideas, not introducing them!
          You do not think that the Japanese "economic miracle" happened just like that!
          Instead of independent scientific and technical developments, Japan took the path of acquiring their scientific and technical experience from other countries, purchasing patents and licenses.
          As well as borrowing!
          And this most economic miracle happened not only with Japan. There are many of them in Asia.
          I know you know what I know.

    4. +3
      7 February 2013 14: 27
      They are not generators of ideas. Already 24 years ago, he wrote a term paper on gas hydrates and methods for their production .... (geologist-geophysicist). Even then, technologies for their production in the USSR for the future were being developed. The course conclusion is simple - prey is unprofitable and terribly energy-consuming, and besides, a huge blow is inflicted on commercial fish and marine animals.
      And the Japanese simply frighten us from despair.
  24. terp 50
    0
    6 February 2013 10: 18
    ... - this is troublesome ... We have this gas hydrate, in the north - at least ,, ... ,, eat, and there are projects and attempts to develop, and .. and, .. and ... - but we don’t - it’s troublesome ...
  25. +1
    6 February 2013 10: 22
    Ugh on these high-profile floodlights! They need more arable land, sow peas - both food and gas ...
  26. Atlon
    +5
    6 February 2013 10: 25
    PR again. Hydrate mining is nonsense. That is why the gas "lies" on the ocean floor, because the pressure is enormous. When the rock rises to the surface, all the gas will go into the water and into the atmosphere. The water will be poisoned and the greenhouse effect will increase. I don't think the Japs don't know that. Most likely, this is infa for those who are too impressionable. For both indoor and outdoor use. Well, to belittle Russia again. They say we don't need this Russian gas ... But all this is crap. Nuclear power plants will start up again and that's all.
  27. borisst64
    +1
    6 February 2013 10: 38
    Nothing is written HOW to isolate gas from a mineral. When it comes to million cubic meters, it is clearly not easy and expensive.
    1. +1
      6 February 2013 10: 40
      In theory, let it evaporate. The question is, how to pull it out so as not to overdo everything around.
    2. Atlon
      +1
      6 February 2013 10: 45
      Quote: borisst64
      Nothing is written HOW to isolate gas from a mineral.

      With a decrease in pressure, he stands out. laughing Raise the rock to the surface and that’s it. All gas will be released along the road. Here the question is not how to allocate, but how to assemble! Gas in the sense. It’s not a tricky thing to breed. wink
      1. +3
        6 February 2013 15: 44
        Quote: Atlon
        It’s not tricky to collect a breed

        Totally agree
  28. anchonsha
    +5
    6 February 2013 11: 06
    Well, how does this Russia, with its alluring reserves of energy resources, give the whole West, and not only it, a pleasure to live in the old fashioned way: the weak people with rich mineral resources colonized and live happily ever after. Well, they used to live like that on a stranger, not according to their incomes, and therefore they grind their teeth and curse Putin for his love of freedom. They are helped by our liberal, corrupt media in Russia, working out alms. But they still take gas, they don’t refuse.
  29. USNik
    +2
    6 February 2013 11: 17
    What the fuck is underwater mining !? These narrow-eyed and already half the ocean tarnished their nuclear power plant, and now they want to finally ditch the underwater fauna? Damn, they must be sued for a nuclear disaster in Fukushima ...
  30. Atlon
    +6
    6 February 2013 11: 34
    Quote: USNik
    Damn, they must be sued for a nuclear disaster in Fukushima ...

    In 1986, Japanese newspapers were full of headlines like: "The atom in the hands of savages" (they are about the Chernobyl nuclear power plant).
    1. EDW
      EDW
      0
      6 February 2013 12: 43
      Quote: Atlon
      In 1986, Japanese newspapers were full of headlines like: "The atom in the hands of savages" (they are about the Chernobyl nuclear power plant).

      http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/656187/
      In general, it is incomparably, in Chernobyl for six months the sarcophagus was placed and the infected soil was removed.
      And the Eponets sunflowers only planted for six months in the vicinity of the reactors (openly radiating into the atmosphere, with any winds and flooded by rains) in the hope that they will absorb all of the cesium. fool
    2. EDW
      EDW
      +5
      6 February 2013 12: 58
      Quote: Atlon
      In 1986, Japanese newspapers were full of headlines like: "The atom in the hands of savages" (they are about the Chernobyl nuclear power plant).

      In general, it turns out incomparably: in Chernobyl for six months the sarcophagus was set up and the infected soil was removed.
      And the Eponets sunflowers planted only six months in the vicinity of the reactors
      (openly radiating into the atmosphere, under any winds and rains) in the hope that they will absorb all of the cesium.
      And the number of liquidators ... there were fifty or so members, but how many ours were sad

      Scans of those newspapers are already problematic to find but the essence is this:
      - Savages should not be allowed to nuclear technology!
      - A scenario like Chernobyl in Japan is impossible in principle!
      - The communist dictatorship lies about the situation in Chernobyl!
      - Millions of slaves with the help of the KGB are driving to the elimination of the accident with the help of machine guns!
      - Half of the USSR turned into a radioactive desert!

      PS
      We already learned to eliminate the radioactive infection with grief in half,
      But what about methane water poisoning? Does anyone know how to deal with this?
      1. wax
        +1
        6 February 2013 16: 10
        But we didn’t even write that the cross-eyed didn’t look there.
      2. +4
        6 February 2013 16: 31
        But what about methane water poisoning? Does anyone know how to deal with this?

        But no way. How will you clean the ocean? Bacteria will multiply, quietly they will devour all methane themselves. Well, the campaign, the ocean at the breeding site will become like a meat broth in texture and sewer in composition. Naturally, all living things will die. So much for the environmental impact in a nutshell.
        And when Japanese fishermen realize that they can only fish in the Yellow Sea and Kamchatka, then really big problems will begin. More specifically, war around the perimeter of economic zones and famine in Japan. But methane will be .... a lot.
  31. EDW
    EDW
    +3
    6 February 2013 11: 57
    Coastal waters will poison with methane, fish will no longer be there,
    It’s not gas that has to be bought, so products will be bought, all the same, economic independence will not work.
    And also the greenhouse effect - an increase in the level of the world ocean in the Japanese islands will somehow be reflected.
    Either they are so arrogantly naive or it is an attempt to shake the price on the gas market, but it is unconvincing.
  32. bdolah
    0
    6 February 2013 12: 10
    Quote: older
    ..The country lives on seafood

    Especially for those who steal in Kamchatka, he served there for 22 years, so several times a half a year the Japs are arrested and driven away from the economic zone of Russia for days.
  33. 0
    6 February 2013 12: 13
    PZDC! Where does the world go ?! what
    - No, I certainly guess where, but this is already too much ... fool
  34. avt
    +1
    6 February 2013 12: 25
    More like blackmail. Here with this hydrate there is a hen in the nest, a testicle in 3,14 ... Even further than shale gas. There is at least some mining technology.
    1. AndreyAB
      +1
      6 February 2013 12: 39
      I agree, a duck of the purest water, when such sensations appear, then wait for some kind of "partners".
  35. +2
    6 February 2013 12: 59
    And together with the amerikosy to extract methane hydrate in the "Bermuda Triangle" - there is even more of it.
  36. +4
    6 February 2013 13: 05
    b] By 2018, Japan intends to enter the industrial production of methane from gas hydrate produced under the ocean floor.
    Before we had time to discuss how the United States of America declared itself the main “shale revolutionaries”, promising to reduce the EU’s dependence on energy supplies from Russia
    As far as I know, the cost of producing and refining shale gas is considerably more expensive. It's funny how, with expensive extraction and processing + delivery of oil shale, Amera is going to make it cheaper than our gas? And gas hydrate production is not much cheaper than transporting hydrogen from the moon. laughing good luck to our "competitors" in the development of the earth's interior fool
    1. +1
      6 February 2013 13: 57
      5 +++ I would say differently about this news, the Japanese are trying to make a bullet from the fictitious mass)))
    2. 0
      7 February 2013 15: 17
      Quote: kostiknet
      , how, with expensive production and processing + delivery of oil shale, are Amera going to make it cheaper than our gas?

      Yes at a time! A machine that prints dollars cannot go broke! A-priory !
      bully
  37. 0
    6 February 2013 14: 22
    Technology does not stand still. Laughing at the Japs is not worth it. Sooner or later, the world will reach hydrates.
    1. +1
      6 February 2013 15: 50
      Quote: dropout
      Laughing at the Japs is not worth it.

      Laughter through tears !
    2. 0
      7 February 2013 15: 25
      Quote: dropout
      Sooner or later, the world will reach hydrates.

      Yeah, and the sun rises in the east!
      But who doubts this! Only everything has its time!
      By the way, the question of the construction of underwater mining / processing plants was considered at one time!
      wink
  38. Rrrrr
    +1
    6 February 2013 15: 13
    This is a political bunch)
  39. +1
    6 February 2013 16: 35
    The absence of mineral-rich territories obliges them to survive. We have a lot to learn from them!
    1. +3
      6 February 2013 16: 58
      Quote: maestro123
      We have a lot to learn from them!

      May be .
      That's just
      The absence, for example, in the islands of Polynesia of a sufficient amount of protein food also obliged the islanders to survive. The solution, as you think, was found.
      We have a lot to learn from them. ?!
      hi
  40. Moritz
    0
    6 February 2013 17: 14
    One thing is not clear, why in the development of new technologies, the search for alternative energy sources, they immediately see the machinations of enemies and an attempt to reduce the role of Russia in the global fuel market?
    Is the development of science unnatural? Having received such a gas production technology, albeit an expensive one, Yapy probably got dozens of other secondary technologies, some of which may have already found their application. The Japanese are world leaders in exporting technology, unless anyone will argue with this?
    And the desire to reduce the dependence of the country's economy on fuel suppliers, does this also contradict common sense?
    When we put solar panels or windmills on our houses, because transformers often explode on electric networks, wires are torn, and in general their services are expensive, it does not occur to anyone that this is a micro sabotage against Russia.
    And those who write such articles only stupidly underscore the fact that our country, in addition to fuel and other minerals, has nothing more to offer to the world community, unfortunately. Therefore, they are worried as if they hadn’t come up with an alternative, however, like all residents of Russia.
    1. +1
      6 February 2013 17: 29
      Quote: moritz
      One thing is not clear why

      A friend of mine loved to answer such questions, monosyllables: Because!
      No need for scientific research in politics, or rather its political and economic consequences to be mixed up!
      smile
  41. +1
    6 February 2013 17: 38
    why in the development of new technologies, the search for alternative energy sources, they immediately see the machinations of enemies and an attempt to reduce the role of Russia in the global fuel market

    Because these statements are an attempt to reduce the role of Russia in the global fuel market. Otherwise, they would have mined quietly and did not buzz.

    Therefore, they are worried, as if something they didn’t come up with an alternative, however, like all residents of Russia

    The problem is not alternatives. The problem is that such production will be very dangerous ecologically. Where will you put billions of cubic meters of water from hydrates after you take gas from them? Of course, into the water. Question - is this normal?
    1. Moritz
      0
      6 February 2013 22: 46
      Quote: Botanologist
      Because these statements are an attempt to reduce the role of Russia in the global fuel market. Otherwise, they would have mined quietly and did not buzz.

      there are many in the market that claim to bring down the price. Why are these nervous articles, Gazprom tensed or what? In the world media, to which the author figuratively refers, they said that soon we will start to produce cheap gas and Russia will rest? But Qatar and the US are not? or just we push expensive gas to them?

      Quote: Botanologist
      The problem is not alternatives. The problem is that such production will be very dangerous ecologically. Where will you put billions of cubic meters of water from hydrates after you take gas from them? Of course, into the water. Question - is this normal?

      the article is clearly not about environmental issues with such mining. These are all the words, where are the links to authoritative opinions of environmentalists?

      When there is nothing to offer in the socio-economic plan, they begin to urgently search for an enemy anywhere, external or internal.
      1. 0
        7 February 2013 19: 01
        Where are links to authoritative opinions of environmentalists?

        Specify which of the environmentalists is your authority. Chestin, Schwartz or Isaev?

        When there is nothing to offer in the socio-economic plan, they begin to urgently search for an enemy anywhere, external or internal.

        We didn’t seem to be looking, we found ourselves ...
  42. +3
    6 February 2013 17: 41
    The classic has long answered all lovers of such exotic things, like shale gas and methane hydrates, with the words of Panikovsky: "Saw, Shura, saw. They are golden."
  43. 0
    6 February 2013 18: 43
    Russia must develop faster and consume its own resources. Then our partners will have less conversations. They will ask and fight for our resources, and we’ll think about who to give and to whom not, and at what prices. We do not demand their price reduction for SONY PS 4 !!
  44. 0
    6 February 2013 18: 51
    In general, idiocy to abandon nuclear energy. All this money could be invested in improving the design of nuclear power plants.
  45. 0
    6 February 2013 19: 59
    Throwing the purest on the topic and what if we benefit
  46. +4
    6 February 2013 20: 05
    naminusite of course well yes figs with him. I don’t understand why many here so hate Japan? is envy strangling? I am not a fan, but I respect them. on bare stones they set the tone in technology without any Gazprom, etc.! and we, having unique deposits that are not found anywhere else in the world, weave somewhere far behind! and we produce gas barbarously! like oil, however! We live one day shorter as always, but there are a lot of military and other specialists on the site, but geologists and oil and gas industry workers are not much alike. and therefore, it is not clear to me how many here manage to laugh at the fact that the Japanese want to get methane from the bottom. Well, it’s just that they are likely to be able and do not have to compare with the USSR forty years ago there were completely different technologies and equipment, I think with their perseverance this is feasible even if risky, by the way, all production is a risk)) and we will be stupid even do not pump gas but substitute the pipe under pressure while the invaluable condensate that forms in the reservoirs remains buried there forever when the pressure in the reservoir drops !!! like this)
  47. +1
    6 February 2013 20: 53
    All this nonsense, a few centuries to hydrocarbon fuel will not be a worthy alternative
    1. Moritz
      0
      6 February 2013 22: 49
      Quote: voronov
      All this nonsense, a few centuries to hydrocarbon fuel will not be a worthy alternative

      there will be only various alternatives to its extraction and processing
  48. Drugar
    -1
    6 February 2013 21: 32
    Production of methane hydrate gas will begin, or not, time will tell. What's the point in breaking spears now? The main idea of ​​these events is that the Japanese are moving in this direction, which means that Russia, at least theoretically, can remain "with a nose", or rather remain without money in the budget. Instead of "lowering" the samurai in advance, and for one thing and the Americans with their shale gas, it is necessary to think very seriously about transferring (finally already !!!) our raw material economy to completely different rails, or, since we are so used to trading energy resources, come up with something fundamentally new in this direction, and, then, add half the world to this "something" - and the trick is in the bag. I will note that the trillions simply stolen over 12 years of the rule of someone in a company with someone could well be spent on the development of technologies in this area. But alas and ah ...
    And one more thing: how do some comrades turn their "tongue" to scoff at the tragedy at the Japanese nuclear power plant after the events that took place on April 26, 1986 in our country, and which still haunt you and me? Short memory ...
    1. 0
      7 February 2013 14: 31
      Read about the technologies of their extraction and processing and think with your head! At the current level of technological development, cost-effective and clean production of gas hydrates is an unscientific utopia!
      1. +1
        8 February 2013 10: 58
        Well, at the end of the century before last, and electricity seemed utopian))
    2. 0
      7 February 2013 15: 55
      Quote: Drugar
      some comrades are turning their "tongue" with a mockery to write about the tragedy at the Japanese nuclear power plant after the events that took place on April 26, 1986 in our country, and which still haunt you and me? Short memory ...

      Mmm
      I carefully read it, and did not find it!
      In general, it is amusingly written:
      Quote: Drugar
      turns "tongue" with a mockery to write

      Brings certain thoughts.
      Yes, about the comparison of Fukushima and Chernobyl, there is a lot in common in the behavior of the authorities, very much! And attempts to conceal (!), Downplay and hush up the consequences!
      And yet, the Japanese authorities in Fukushima fell on a delayed land mine chasing the cheapness of the nuclear power plant project! In general, for what they fought, they got it!
      Chernobyl What happened in Chernobyl only according to the report of the commission seems to be clear. But this is according to the report, but how was it really?
      By the way, the commission did not dare to ask why the experiment used to be carried out according to the scenario, but the last time ...
      Such a question was not raised, since she considered the causes of the accident, and not the reason why the accident did not occur earlier.
      I can not vouch for accuracy, but I met such a statement!
  49. lucidlook
    +1
    7 February 2013 01: 12
    Without any Fukushima, at least a 15% increase in gas tariffs for 2013 is planned for us:

    "As for tariffs: 15% - a lot or a little? I'll tell you ... we have an increase in real wages this year - 8%, inflation - 7%. Add 7 and 8, you get 15," Belousov said at the meeting members of the government and the Kremlin administration with confidants of the President of the Russian Federation.
  50. atey
    0
    7 February 2013 04: 40
    The essence of the company deployed around the world about the extraction of "alternative" energy resources (shale gas) is a cover for another goal, the goal of destroying the natural habitat of billions of people through contamination of soil and water with toxic and radioactive substances.
    1. 0
      7 February 2013 15: 59
      the surest remedy for any problem is the guillotine
      drinks
  51. 0
    7 February 2013 14: 29
    They are not generators of ideas. Already 24 years ago, he wrote a term paper on gas hydrates and methods for their production .... (geologist-geophysicist). Even then, technologies for their production in the USSR for the future were being developed. The course conclusion is simple - prey is unprofitable and terribly energy-consuming, and besides, a huge blow is inflicted on commercial fish and marine animals.
    And the Japanese simply frighten us from despair.
  52. imperiologist
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    7 February 2013 18: 05
    yes, poor Japs) and the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin were taken away from them by wild Russians and they are also forced to buy their own gas
    1. 0
      8 February 2013 10: 59
      They didn’t take it away, but they won it back. The difference is huge.
  53. honest jew
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    7 February 2013 18: 19
    Here is our answer to Japan!
    1. Alew
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      10 March 2013 15: 32
      Great photo
  54. Voin sveta82
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    7 February 2013 21: 02
    let them put this gun in their hands....
  55. +1
    7 February 2013 22: 20
    On Thursday, February 7, two Russian fighter jets invaded Japanese airspace in the area of ​​Rishiri Island, located northwest of Hokkaido.

    According to ITAR-TASS, in response to this, the Land of the Rising Sun scrambled its planes.

    The last such incident occurred in 2008, when an An-72 of the border service of the FSB of the Russian Federation pursued an unknown vessel discovered in Russian territorial waters.
    1. 0
      7 February 2013 22: 48
      Quote: ayyildiz
      The last such incident occurred in 2008,

      Is short memory an advantage or a disadvantage?!
      As far as I remember, ours always walk nearby!
  56. +1
    7 February 2013 23: 31
    I can’t imagine that Gazprom doesn’t have at least a couple of qualified geologists... Everything else is a show-off for investors... For their money, any whim. Even gas from the Moon's mantle.
  57. 0
    8 February 2013 01: 35
    Respect to the author. His words are in the ears of officials and Gazprom employees and in their arms when negotiating with the “Basurmans” to conclude agreements. :)) soldier
  58. 0
    8 February 2013 01: 46
    Come on. They dumped several tens of thousands of tons of contaminated water from Fokushima into the ocean and meant everyone, including their “greens.” Uncle came out and said:
    - The water is cystic. Everything is halasho.
    - How can you prove it?
    - I swear to my mother, however...
    This is business, only business, guys.
    1. +1
      8 February 2013 12: 16
      Quote: SunScorpion
      Several tens of thousands of tons of contaminated water from Fokushima were dumped into the ocean

      If only once and if only several tens of thousands!
      You are an optimist, my friend!
      Our sea-ocean would dissolve this amount without noticing! If there is an increase in the content of radioisotopes in the fish,
      Quote: SunScorpion
      I swear to my mother, however

      drain constantly and drain the first circuit!
  59. 0
    11 February 2013 03: 45
    I don’t understand what’s the fuss?! Do they want to mine? - and to hell with them, we also have a lot of this stuff and by the time the natural gas runs out we will again have a head start. Extraction technologies will already be cheaper, but for now we only store this raw material for the future. So all is well!
  60. DimychDV
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    April 20 2013 20: 40
    In our Far East, perestroika destroyed such an interesting organization - Dalmorgeology. They then carried Japanese cars on their ships. But real technologies and practical experience have already been born in their research, experimental drilling and development of gas hydrates and iron-manganese nodules from the seabed, and at quite large depths of a kilometer. I think that what they extracted actually served in domestic mining and processing factories. I don’t know the details; if necessary, I’ll ask former employees. Even the newly built building still bears its name and is partly operational and partly rented. And at exhibitions in the early 90s, the DalmorGeo stands were always crowded with the largest number of foreigners. Because even the seemingly flimsy mining schemes ostentatiously depicted on the booklets spoke of impressive rates and production costs, and economic returns. As for ecology - well, who observes it and where when extracting natural resources? We ourselves are sitting next to the ESPO pipe, we see all this. They boast of the most advanced protection technologies. Is this what we have in Russia? Don't be ridiculous! EVEN if you really bought the best technologies, launch them and you won’t force crooked operators to follow all the rules...
  61. 0
    13 May 2013 16: 36
    Well, Japan can't sit on an even butt. I wanted a thrill. Well, I hit them in the...u. Well, how I want to ruin Russia, I just can’t stand it. That’s all the answers to these pathetic attempts. And then there are the “brothers” of insanity from the USA in front with a drum on their neck - well, the flag is in the same place for them.