"The case smells like a billion": Russian air defense system for the Brazilian air defense

The other day in the Brazilian and Russian media reports have appeared about the upcoming major military-technical agreement between the two countries. According to the official statement of the Chief of the General Staff of Brazil, Jose Carlos de Nardi, in the near future the armed forces of the South American country intend to buy a number of Russian anti-aircraft missile systems. In addition, the Brazilian side intends to include in the final version of the agreement several conditions that are expected to improve relations between the two countries and facilitate further cooperation.

According to reports, the Brazilian military wants to buy from Russia three batteries of Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile systems (up to 18 machines with weapons, plus some auxiliary equipment), as well as several dozen Igla portable anti-aircraft missiles. The total amount of the transaction is approximately one billion US dollars. An additional condition from the Brazilian side is the transfer of technological documentation for the “Panther” and “Needles”, with the help of which the South American country will be able to organize their production at their enterprises. It is worth noting that the factories where it is planned to assemble anti-aircraft systems and rockets are only being built and will work a little later, in the coming years.

As noted by the Brazilian General de Nardi, the documentation on the proposal for the transfer of technological information has already been prepared and sent for approval to the administration of the President of Brazil. A little later, after approval, it will be sent to Russia, and at the end of this February high-level negotiations will take place, during which some parties to the upcoming contract will be considered. The Russian media report that the Brazilians were also offered Tor-M2E air defense systems, however, based on the results of studying the characteristics and consultations with the Russian military, it was the Pantsir-S1 that was chosen.

Brazil’s requirements for the transfer of documents and the organization of licensed production are quite understandable. Under existing conditions, such a step would save on logistics, etc. Matters a lot of time and money. At the same time, the construction of new enterprises can completely "eat" all the savings in production. It should be noted that the money invested in the construction of factories will remain inside Brazil and will have a beneficial effect on economic and social processes, at least on a regional scale.

There is reason to believe that the sale of a license for the production of anti-aircraft complexes will have positive consequences for Russia. According to the source of the Kommersant publication, equipment produced in Brazil under a license will be considered domestic products and, as a result, there will be no need for constant international tenders for the supply of air defense systems. Thus, having sold the license, Russia can get a simple and effective channel for the promotion of its military equipment to Brazil, and then, possibly, to other countries of South America. Since the plants for the licensed assembly in legal terms are likely to be joint ventures, if necessary, purchase the next equipment for the country's air defense system, the Brazilian military will be able to announce a domestic tender, without going international. In this case, they will receive the necessary equipment and are likely to save time and money on finding the best option out of several.

It is worth noting that the requirements for creating a joint venture are not something new. Not so long ago, Brazil and Russia agreed to jointly produce multi-purpose Mi-171 helicopters. In the overwhelming majority of cases, such economic and organizational measures are undertaken with one goal - raising the technical level of one of the parties to the contract. Brazil is currently striving to become a regional leader, and for this it needs its own powerful defense industry. The Brazilian military admits that their air defense does not yet fully comply with world standards. Thus, one contract can solve two problems at once: upgrade the air defense system and raise the capabilities of its defense industry.

Already now, before signing a contract for the supply of ready-made complexes and technical documentation, it is possible to make certain assumptions about the future of Russian-Brazilian cooperation in the field of armaments and military equipment. Not so long ago, the Russian concern Almaz-Antey presented to the Brazilian command a draft of a radical renewal of the country's air defense system. This project involves the division of Brazilian airspace into five zones, for each of which will be responsible for its operational merger. Inside each of the zones it is planned to create a three-echelon defense system. It is noteworthy that the project provides for the use of only Russian-made systems. So, the current plans of Brazil regarding the purchase of the “Shell-C1” may well be the first step in a large-scale re-equipment and restructuring of its air defense.

It is quite possible that after the completion of the construction of new production enterprises, the Brazilian side will buy a license to manufacture other air defense systems that will serve along with Pantsiry. There is also a small chance that the Brazilian military will be able to negotiate with the Russian defense industry for the supply of the latest C-400 air defense systems, and this will undoubtedly increase the combat potential of their anti-aircraft formations. Thus, there is every reason to assume that in the future the total volume of Russian-Brazilian contracts will constantly grow. So, from 2008 to 2012, the South American country received arms and military equipment for more than 300 million dollars. The coming contract promises to be more than three times larger.

In the future, military-technical cooperation between Russia and Brazil may expand. Not so long ago, the Brazilian military announced the cancellation of the tender for the supply of fighters worth about five billion dollars. A number of experts interpreted this as a lack of necessary money from Brazil, but it is worth taking into account the position of the country's leadership. Brazil’s current president, Dilma Rousseff, opposes the possible purchase of French fighters. Therefore, Russian defense officials have the opportunity to propose the creation of a joint aircraft building enterprise and introduce, as an additional condition to the contract, the purchase of a number of fighters, for example, Su-35 or even future export T-50 / FGFA.

In general, the future contract looks mutually beneficial for both parties, but there is also cause for concern. So far we can not exclude the possibility that Brazil, having fully armed its army, will start producing Pantsiri and Needles for export, bypassing agreements with Russia. Admittedly, this development is possible, but so far all the actions of the Brazilian military and political leadership indicate the opposite. It seems that at present this country is more interested in arming its own army, rather than in export earnings. Therefore, the possible risks of "pirated" production should be taken into account, but not overestimated.

Nevertheless, detailed terms of the contract for the supply of anti-aircraft systems present the greatest interest. In addition, in view of the relatively small volume of deliveries - less than two dozen missile-gun complexes - we can expect new agreements. It is possible that the expected contract will imply the delivery of only ready-made complexes, and Brazilian enterprises will begin assembling Russian systems in accordance with the following, which will be signed later.


On the materials of the sites:
http://kommersant.ru/
http://pravda.ru/
http://ria.ru/
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/

Comments

[PDM80]

Pah pah so as not to jinx it. While Latin America has turned its back on the United States, we need to conquer markets and tie ourselves out

[aksakal]

The activity of the Russian defense industry in the development of new markets is impressive. Just not to the detriment of their own rearmament. And most importantly - what would be the result. Which one? In order for defense enterprises to have money for the development of civilian industries close to their products, which will finally serve the benefit of Russia's slipping modernization.

[Rustam]

repeat

They need access to our market - and Medvedev’s arrival for him to immediately sign (maybe) permission to import meat and this small contract

1) nothing shines on the SU-35 fighter tender - too much loot swells Boeing, dasso, flu for promotion
By the way, and there, under a contract, the purchase of 36 fighters with the subsequent construction of the plant and the transfer of all technology (this is obligatory)

2) TORM2 is also being considered, but priority is still given to the Shell here 70 to 30 in favor of the impenetrable

3) for the transfer of technology, the French built a factory for the assembly of helicopters and for the Navy, boats will also be assembled in Brazil


in Brazil, the only one they do not require transfer is from the United States (except for aircraft)

I'm talking about how their transfer and purchase of Western models is interfaced with the transfer of technology (this is prescribed in the law)

By the way, why Rafal has not won them yet, but because those source codes have paid off, for example, the flu is ready to give everything just to break the FX contract

yes imprisonment of the generals and politicians under the USA and Europe


here's the brand new Sikorsky H-60L Black Hawks - by the way, in January, they worked perfectly for the delivery of victims of a fire in a nightclub in southern Brazil

[borisst64]

Quote: Rustam

in January, they worked perfectly for the delivery of victims

And if, for example, our MI-171 would not deliver, or what? What was the difficulty of the task?

[Rustam]

they believe that their Sikorsky H-60L Black hawks are more suited to such operations than MI-17

[Yuriy3005]

It is necessary to produce military-industrial complex products in a ratio of 2 to 1, that is, 2 units in your army, 1 for export, and even better with truncated performance characteristics. As for the S-400, it is impossible, in no case, the cat cried for them in his army, and we are going to sell them. Yes, and SyShyA at hand, their intelligence in a cake will break to get at least one copy of 400k.

[silver_roman]

Well, as far as I know, many export models just go with trimmed performance characteristics. The truth with India is another matter: the guys first set the performance characteristics, and we provide them with products in accordance with this performance characteristics.

and to the account of S-400: now 2 Almaz-Antey plants are building, because they will have capacities in the near future. We can provide partners. In addition, the S-500 is being developed.
In general, on the case, it would be great to first arm Belarus and Kazakhstan with the S-400. Still, a unified air defense system and strategic partnership. the truth is, lately it has become a cold "give" from Kazakhstan ... why would that be ???
I hope that these are minor misunderstandings and no more!

[Lucky]

While they decide to buy the S-400, we think it will be removed from the armament .... it will take at least another 5 years!

[Trailer]

Well, that's nice, well, that's the replenishment in South America. In a compartment with Venezuela.

[Vladimirets]

These are the clients who should be, they take a lot, they do not even pose a threat in the long run, beauty.

[Ah1ll]

This is a very good partner! And the monetary benefit for us is good, and I think so in the future it can become a strategic partner!
And the fact that ours sells documentation can only mean one thing! The fact that our defense industry has developed something new)))

[Sleptsoff]

Have you seen this new? The shell is here and now, but in order to invent something new, to experience, to translate into matter, you need at least 5 years and a lot of money like with a t-50. Give you free rein you sell all secrets, fools! This is the same as if Russia asked the United States to sell her Apache documentation))

[Rustam]

Hush hush do not make noise like that! I look you are young yes early

And yes, on the Shell- The development of the Shell was carried out entirely with money from the UAE! Mo RF to the development and development of this product has no relation

[Sleptsoff]

The fact of the matter is that for money, and not according to the drawings of Arab engineers.

[Rustam]

If it weren’t for the sheikh’s money, then the Shell would have remained in the blueprints? The system is designed from scratch with the money of the Saunites
Thanks Shipunov

[Sleptsoff]

the shell was developed even before the financing of the Saudis, but due to underfunding, the project was frozen.

[Rustam]

I repeat

The shell that was made from scratch with money from the UAE is a completely different shell that was shown as a prototype at Max 95

and Moscow Region did not show a penny or even interest in Shipunov’s ideas
the choice was made in favor of the TORA


Photo here he is the Armor of the UAE army - MAN armored chassis

[Sleptsoff]

In any case, this is not a reason to transfer documentation, it is the intellectual property of Russia. In addition, in the courtyard of 2013, the complex has undergone more than one modernization, apparently also with the money of the sheikhs))
By the way about financing: "Since 2000 (!) Partial financing (!) Of the development of air defense missile systems was carried out by the United Arab Emirates" (militaryrussia)

[vyatom]

Apache is out of date. and why buy if you can steal blueprints

[Sleptsoff]

How simple is it for you to steal blueprints)) Years, how old are you smart guy? Walking would do better homework. Apache is no worse than our modern verts.

[Krilion]

Quote: Ah1LL

This is a very good partner! And the monetary benefit for us is good

As for the monetary benefit, taking into account the transfer of technology, I still have some doubts ... and, by the way, I don’t remember that in such cases the Americans would transfer their technology to anyone using any weapons ... enlighten me if I’m wrong ... all these technology transfers are fraught with enormous damage to Russia, which cannot be measured with money alone ....

[Kolyan 2]

Simple offset keep it up. I could not resist the fuss.

[leon-iv]

And the answer is one MEAT. Brazilians really want to promote their beef on our market.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: leon-iv

And the answer is one MEAT. Brazilians really want to promote their beef on our market.

Not a bad option, especially since your beef is not enough.

[Alexander-Tomsk]

It seems that a downed Turkish plane in Syria served as an excellent advertisement for our air defense systems, they began to sell out like hot cakes

"For the time being, we cannot exclude the possibility that Brazil, having fully armed its army, will begin to produce" Shells "and" Needles "for export, bypassing agreements with Russia."

What prevents us from concluding an agreement that discusses the conditions for banning the transfer of our systems to third countries? And set huge fines in case of violation.

[Sleptsoff]

One obsolete Turkish aircraft shot down and about ten Israeli non-shot down. Excellent advertising can not be said)).
And second, it seems foolish to me to transfer the technologies on which we are betting. That will prevent amers from stealing several missiles from the Brazilians and coming up with some kind of anti-missile means. Israel apparently has already found an "antidote" against the Syrian air defense.

[ultra]

Syria is not an indicator! An air defense system, and Syria just does not have it! There are separate complexes, but an integrated air defense system is absent as a fact!

[Pimply]

Are you talking about Syria, whose air defense system was considered one of the best in the world?

[Suvorov000]

Let's be objective, it was considered the best for areas of the Middle East, not the world, at 90 and the beginning of 2000, and not now

[gispanec]

Quote: Pimply

Are you talking about Syria, whose air defense system was considered one of the best in the world?

first think - then write !! .... from your words you put Syrian air defense on a par with the USA, Russia, Israel ..... my minus is

[Pimply]

I always, dear, think. Forgive me, but somehow here everyone very actively forgot that they shouted several months ago in articles about the downed Turkish plane 8)

[Ascetic]

Quote: Pimply

Are you talking about Syria, whose air defense system was considered one of the best in the world?

30-40 years ago with a stretch and since then they have no more than 12% new systems, There is no continuous radar field, radars and radio altimeters of the 70s. In short


Ascetic January 31, 2013 11:47 | Israeli air forces strike Damascus suburb 2
Quote: older
Syrian air defense is very bad with detection systems ...

In Syria, about 80% of air defense systems are represented by obsolete samples - Angara, Vega, Dvina, Volga. Modern Carapace, Beech and Wasp in small quantities and all medium range. They are talking about the S-300 air defense system of early modifications, allegedly coming through China and Belarus, but there is no confirmed data on this issue. Well, just the same, an almost awful state is observed with means of radar reconnaissance, which are easily suppressed by Israeli means of electronic warfare. In service are the locators P-12, P-14, P-15, P-30, P-35, P-80, and the radio altimeters PRV-13, PRV-16, the ideology of which originates from the second half of the last century. This technique 30–40 years ago in the Arab-Israeli wars could still somehow resist the then air enemy, using the available detuning modes from various types of interference, changing operating frequencies, etc. Today, these samples, firstly, developed a technical resource, -second, they hopelessly lagged behind the potential adversary’s ability to deliver "electronic strikes." In the best case, an air defense group can use these radars in peacetime while on combat duty in order to detect intruder aircraft, to open the start of an attack with air attack (IOS), air traffic control, etc. Actually, you have to make sure again both now and in the event of an Israeli air strike on the Syrian reactor several years ago.
It is clear that the Syrian (read, still Soviet) RTV means are not able to effectively counteract modern air attack weapons
On the one hand, air defense groups have a large number of samples of a wide variety of anti-aircraft weapons and military equipment
On the other hand, having only 12-15% of modern weapons in its composition, it is difficult for the air defense system to count on success in counteracting a strong, highly organized, equipped with the most modern weapons, weapon control and guidance systems (primarily high-precision) air enemy

Pimply,
I have with you, in my opinion, had a dialogue about their locators and the blocks to them that the Turks intercepted on our plane, if I am not mistaken? Just gave the alignment on the newest PRV-16 and P-80.

[beard999]

Quote from Sleptsoff

and about ten not brought down Israeli. Excellent advertising can not be said)).

Do you understand this, judge by the absence of downed Israeli aircraft? Well, it’s not the merit of Israel, but their overseas owners. Back in September 2008, the United States sold (read as a gift), Israelis 1000 units of GBU-39. This UAB according to the manufacturer http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/missiles/sdb/index.html has a maximum discharge range of “over 60 nautical miles” (112 km). Now look at the map - from the nearest border of Israel, to Damascus - about 70 km, and from the Golan occupied by the Israelis even closer - 50-55 km. Thus, the Israelis can carry out the bombing of Damascus from their territory, without entering the coverage area of ​​modern Syrian air defense systems - “Buk-M2E” (up to 45 km) and “Shell-C1” (up to 20 km). In addition, the war in Syria could not but affect the general state of air defense. Part of the radar, aviation and air defense systems by the Syrians has already been lost. One cannot fail to say that the air operations conducted by Israel are not large-scale military operations, but single point actions (essentially special operations), with a limited number of aircraft.
All of these factors naturally allow the Israelis to avoid casualties in the air.

[Pimply]

Apparently, then there is no way to explain the passage of Israeli aircraft over Assad’s palace in 2006 and the destruction of the reactor in 2007. Then GBU-39 didn’t seem to be there, no? Yes, and the air defense was in order.

[beard999]

Quote: Pimply

Apparently then there is no way to explain the passage of Israeli aircraft over Assad’s palace in 2006 and the destruction of the reactor in 2007

Are you talking about the passage of 2 F-16s near the Syrian coast near the location of Assad's summer residence in Latakia?
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-28-syria-israel_x.htm
Well, what kind of air defense facilities were there in 2006 among the Syrians? List, do not be shy? You apparently forgot that it was after this that Assad began to purchase truly modern Russian air defense systems. You recall how much tantrum was about this in Tel Aviv?
About the "reactor" is even more interesting. Do you know exactly what struck the object in Al-Qibar? Even then, the Israelites were armed with the UAB GBU-15, GBU-31, SPICE, UR “Popeye” ... And at the same time, tell us exactly which SAMs the Syrian “reactor” was hiding. Are you up there watching anything modern? And multiply this by the fact that according to Western media, Israeli planes approached the target from the territory of Turkey, in the vicinity of which the object in Al-Kibar is located.
And five, in both cases they were limited, one-time, spot actions, with a limited number of aircraft.

[PDM80]

Weapons are only iron and wires. Technically, it can be unique, but if the hands are not sharpened, then it is useless. I won’t argue about air defense, but if it is used just as mediocre as Assad uses his tank troops, then even if you put the C1000 there, there will be no sense.

[albert]

The news is good only after the purchase of these systems by Brazil, will the US start screaming about "infringement of human rights in Brazil" or something like that?

[Rustam]

US screams about Brazilian human rights abuses
_________

These ridiculous purchases are not critical for the US and Europe.

Brazilian military generals and politicians imprisoned under the United States. This concept has been shaped for decades.

I repeat the purchase of the Carapace is a necessary measure - there wouldn’t have been a meat market in Russia - this and other purchases could not have been originally

Russian systems are still being assassinated in Brazil, with poor quality and poor logistics (i.e. expensive service)

And here’s what they see in the photo as perfection itself — the photo is the latest Sikorsky in the Brazilian air force - by the way, the Air Force, ARMY, and Navy recently started receiving these new helicopters

[vyatom]

Brazil is a country with many wild monkeys

[Pimply]

Rustam, thanks for the comment.

[Rustam]

Hi Zhen

you know you can write slogans like - we punched this America
but it’s necessary to write the truth - some people don’t like it, but you know if I don’t do it, then I will consider myself dishonorable to my colleagues and friends

we all want only truth


a review of the armed forces of Brazil - by the way, they have interesting laws; for example, the army cannot have missiles of the S-300 type - this is the answer of the Air Force (FAB) -that the Air Force is responsible for the defeatist - there will be worse bickering between the arms of service -everyone pulls a blanket on myself

We continue the review of aviation technology - Brazilian Navy (Super Lynx: eyes and ears of the Brazilian fleet)

[Pimply]

They had a fairly powerful defense industry. Which collapsed. Now restore.

[VAF]

Quote: Rustam

but it’s necessary to write the truth - some people don’t like it, but you know if I don’t do it, then I will consider myself dishonorable to my colleagues and friends

Rustam, buddy .. you are the best! Everywhere is my +!

[Rustam]

Hello my friend

[postman]

Quote: Rustam

Brazilian military generals and politicians imprisoned under the United States. This concept has been shaped for decades.

And the economy is the same:
Export partners of the PRC are 12,49%, the United States 10,5%, Argentina 8,4%, the Netherlands 5,39%, Germany 4,05% (for 2009).
Export items - transport equipment, iron ore, soy, shoes, coffee, cars.


Partners for US imports 16,12%, China 12,61%, Argentina 8,77%, Germany 7,65%, Japan 4,3% (for 2009).
Imports - machinery, electrical and transport equipment, chemicals, oil, automotive parts, electronics.

[Rustam]

of course about it

[logic]

bypassing agreements with Russia.
Everyone wants the latest technology, and how much Russia has spent on it.
They will take all the best without turning to the development, and step aside as soon as the situation changes. IMHO.

[avt]

There is one point. Brazil will definitely require them to open the market for passenger aircraft - to carry out counter purchases. They already imposed this when they tried to enter their market with Su-35. Well, in general, only forward and with the song!

[salem]

Not comme il faut to sell the most advanced technology for a penny

[Horde]

Well, if not Brazil, then who else, you just need not greens and of course not meat, but for RUBLES. Dollars from gas and oil are already full of kubyshka. They will take for the ruble the real rise of the Russian economy.

[ankh-andrej]

as well as several dozen Igla portable anti-aircraft missile systems
Your words are rather offensive))) According to MANPADS so very small quantities. Meanwhile, the production technology will be transferred, which means fewer orders at our facilities.

[Metlik]

It is necessary to arm the friends of Russia, and not anyone who pays a kickback. And then we will be knocked with these weapons on the head. As for licenses, they used to sell licenses for AKs, now they are bought anywhere, but not with us.

[Dmitry 2246]

Brazil is a market that opens up all of South America. An unexpected bonus to our military-industrial complex (the way he needs it!) Giving more contracts!

[Metlik]

They used to shoot for the sale of state secrets, now they reward them.