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"The Americans killed the Russians defending their territory"

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"The Americans killed the Russians defending their territory"Rick Rosoff, owner of Stop NATO and a journalist for Global Research.ca, told the Voice of Russia about the Polar Bear expedition, also known as the American Expeditionary Force in Northern Russia or the Northern Russian Campaign.

At least five thousand American soldiers who fought in the northern territories of Russia against the Bolsheviks took part in the military expedition from 1918 to 1919. The campaign was aimed at protecting military property warehouses, supporting the actions of the Czechoslovak corps and overthrowing the communist government.

- The 95 anniversary of these events will be celebrated soon. Could you tell about them?

“The events we are talking about are best known as the Polar Bear Expedition.” But there are two different official names: "Northern Russian Campaign" and "American Expeditionary Force in Northern Russia." What was it? It was the introduction of the order of five thousand American soldiers, from September 1918 th and, at least until July 1919 th, into the territory of Russia. The troops had to fight against the army of the Russian government, which came to power after the October Revolution, that is, against the government of Lenin.

American soldiers were sent to fight on the territory of the Russian Arctic from France and the state of Michigan. Often after the signing of a peace treaty.

In 1972, I talked to my maternal grandfather, shortly before his death. I knew that he served in the army of Allied forces under the command of General Pershing, they joined the French army during the First World War. Once I asked him, then I was still a boy, and so, I asked him what happened after the signing of the peace treaty, when the military were demobilized in France. And he answered me: "We were sent to fight the Bolsheviks." This is his exact quote, I remember it, although 41 has passed a year since.

I knew that his unit was undergoing training at the Custer camp, named after General George Custer. Then the camp turned into a military town of Custer near the city of Battle Creek (Battle Creek) in Michigan.

Grandfather was born in Michigan, although he lived most of his life in the province of Ontario in Canada. But when the United States entered World War I in 1917, he was enrolled in military service and trained in the Custer training camp. It was in the 85 Division, which was training in the camp, that he was sent to Russia and participated in the expedition "Polar Bear".

More than a hundred American soldiers died in battles during the campaign, many others died during a flu epidemic and other diseases, and probably about a hundred people were injured. I think it is not necessary to say how many Russians were killed by American soldiers at that time.

And four years ago, the film was shot, which was shown in cinemas in the state of Michigan, just where the camp was located. Among the people who came to see the film and pay tribute to the memory of the so-called Polar Bear Expedition was Michigan State Senator Karl Levin, who said at the premiere of the film, quoting a Michigan newspaper from 2009 of the year: “Now is the right time and place for our meeting. There are lessons to be learned from storiesand here are these lessons. "

I'm not sure exactly what lessons Senator Levin had in mind, but it can be assumed that over the past four years, the United States has renewed its claims to the Arctic Ocean, mainly at the expense of other states, such as Canada and, no doubt, Russia. The fact that the United States celebrates its first attempt to gain a foothold in the Arctic region, during an operation in Russia in 1918-1919, seems to me to say a lot.

I remember how my grandfather told me about his stay in Murmansk. As I understand it, he was not so far from Arkhangelsk, where American soldiers were landed. Winston Churchill, then the Minister of War of Great Britain, was able to convince US President Woodrow Wilson of the need to send soldiers to perform various tasks, the main of which was to protect the warehouses of military equipment set by the Allies during the First World War, before the October Revolution.

The second task was to overthrow the government of the Bolsheviks. The third task was to support the Czechoslovak Corps, which fought on the side of the Russian army in World War I, and then opposed the government formed in November 1917 of the year.

It seems to me that the third reason, namely the support of the Czechoslovak Corps, is the most plausible explanation for the participation of American soldiers in those events, they were interested in overthrowing the Russian government. This is the main reason for US participation.

- Could you tell about some operation about which students may not know?

- From those sources with which I got acquainted, I learned that, naturally, not the whole division was sent to Russia. About two or three regiments of the 85 Division were sent. They arrived in Arkhangelsk at the very beginning of September 1918 of the year, at least this was indicated in one of the sources, and they came under the command of the British army, which was already there.

The British army probably landed in Arkhangelsk a month earlier, at the beginning of August 1918, and, probably, the Russian army had already managed to remove all the military reserves that the British were planning to seize. Thus began an expedition up the Dvina River, which was accompanied by fierce battles between the Russian and American armies.

According to my calculations, it was October, which means that winter has come. And the American campaign was at an impasse, it failed. Their attempts to unite with the Czech army to oppose the government in Moscow were not crowned with success. Then they decided to postpone the campaign until the summer of 1919, but then they completely abandoned it.

Losses, according to some sources, amounted to 110 American soldiers killed in battles with the Russian army.

“But did the US military kill Russians in Russia too?”

- Yes, although these people defended their territory, their land.

“Why did the American soldiers come under British command?”

- It seems to me, because British soldiers were sent to the same region: in the Arkhangelsk and Murmansk regions, a month earlier, in order to prepare and make it easier to carry out the operation, I think. In addition, we know the role played by Great Britain in Russia during the transitional period between the February and October revolutions of the 1917 year, under the Provisional Government of Kerensky. And how she wanted to draw the Russian government into the war, whatever it was.

Russia under Kerensky, I am sure that, not without the help of pressure and bribery from Britain, France and the United States, I continued to participate in the war that claimed several million human lives.
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  1. Atlon
    Atlon 6 February 2013 16: 35
    +47
    And the Russians once helped America to gain independence ... This is such a gratitude from our "partners".
    1. YARY
      YARY 6 February 2013 18: 59
      +22
      What even more clearly proves my thesis-wish for a future war with SyShyA -
      "DO NOT TAKE PRISONERS!"
      Until the probable surviving handful of American garbage keeps in its horror-stricken memory, burned out by the red-hot bayonet of a RUSSIAN soldier, the thought - "Don't even dare to breathe towards RUSSIA!"
      Until then, these descendants of the Geyropa garbage flies, these outhouse bugs will become impudent!

      "I don't need him alive here! I need him dead!" [/ B] THEY FITTED FOR THE HOMELAND "
      1. YARY
        YARY 6 February 2013 19: 06
        +6
        Reprint right now! Crazy hopes ur ode

        JOKE OF HUMOR!
        and in every joke ..... THERE IS A SHARE OF A JOKE.
        1. dld35057
          dld35057 6 February 2013 20: 04
          +1
          This is a masterpiece + 11111111111 and many zeros.
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 6 February 2013 22: 25
          +2
          Quote: Ardent
          JOKE OF HUMOR!

          What a joke there, his brains were completely beaten off in Vietnam, this is a sick person.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 6 February 2013 22: 35
            +5
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            this is a sick person.

            1. enot555
              enot555 6 February 2013 23: 10
              0
              about people like this person need to make films and set an example to the younger generation! GLORY TO THE SOVIET WARRIORS !!!
            2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
              NOBODY EXCEPT US 7 February 2013 00: 42
              -3
              I would write a letter to the senator, you look out of shit would get out, that's how the heroes live with us ...
            3. GSH-18
              GSH-18 7 February 2013 09: 30
              0
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              this is a sick person.

              It was necessary to let the Vietnamese dunk the goat with hoes! No matter how many innocent lives would be saved! am
        3. alexng
          alexng 7 February 2013 00: 01
          0
          Quote: Ardent
          Reprint right now! Crazy hopes ur ode


          Well, what will the wetlands say? Is that what you want?
        4. satellite
          satellite 7 February 2013 02: 03
          -2
          Minus. Justified.

          Everyone knows that McCain is sick on the head, and I agree with this. Nevertheless, this video bothers me a lot.

          Text translated by computer translated. This is audible. There are two versions.

          First one. Bullshit was translated so verbatim that even stand, even fall.

          The second one. Bullshit has been replaced with another text. What computer translation indicates. That is, the text could be replaced by anyone so that this video would please the patriots.

          If you can give me a link to the original, and its contents will really be confirmed, then I apologize for the minus.

          In general, translations, especially those made incomprehensibly and incomprehensibly by whom, are not trustworthy.


          Damn just noticed ..
          What is that supposed to mean?
          "JOKE OF HUMOR!
          and IN EVERY JOKE ..... THERE IS A SHARE OF A JOKE. "

          I umm ... after work ... I pulled myself a little drinks
          1. ughhh
            ughhh 7 February 2013 11: 18
            0
            Quote: satellite
            Minus. Justified.

            so tight you are ...
        5. GSH-18
          GSH-18 7 February 2013 09: 26
          0
          Quote: Ardent
          Reprint right now! Crazy hopes ur ode

          Yeah. Insanity grew stronger ...
      2. George
        George 6 February 2013 20: 23
        0
        [media = http: // http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = IhUIi1ey168]

        What type of this?
      3. Hunghuz
        Hunghuz 7 February 2013 04: 10
        0
        hi Harosha Indian - the great-granddad Hasid ........ ??? how at asana tana?
    2. yak69
      yak69 6 February 2013 19: 02
      +27
      Indeed, at that time, all-Germans, Czechs, Hungarians, British, Amers (their mother’s mother!), Japs (narrow-eyed dogs) attacked the young Soviet state. Turkestan, too, was full of hunters to profit - from Turkey to Afghanistan. Oh, and our grandfathers got it! Just think, what an unprecedented work and combat feat was built a great country!
      And how simple - for the sound and the bunch from EBN, it was sold and collapsed.
      If our grandfathers knew what grandchildren and great-grandchildren would come for them, how they would give their homeland to the descendants of those who did not defeat them in the 19th and 40s for tampax and Snickers ...
      1. Andrey58
        Andrey58 6 February 2013 19: 51
        -13
        Quote: yak69
        In Turkestan, too, was full of hunters to profit


        At that time there was no "young Soviet state" in Turkestan.
        There was a power vacuum, which was filled by all and sundry, from local bais to the British.

        Quote: yak69
        Oh, and our grandfathers got it!

        Not to grandfathers, but great-grandfathers. Is yours fighting for the Reds? Sorry.
        1. yak69
          yak69 6 February 2013 22: 41
          +11
          I myself have already been a grandfather twice. Therefore, I’m talking about my grandfather (by mother) - the middle-level commander in the Red Army. After the civil was repressed. He did not sit for long. Then war, etc. Another grandfather (on his father) met the war near the Brest Fortress (he was not tall, but very strong - in a hand-to-hand fight he killed two Fritz with punches). Captivity, several shoots, the war ended in Berlin, then exile. My mother was born in exile in Central Asia, I was also born in S. Asia and I know a little about the formation of Soviet power there. Therefore, I can speak objectively - there were many hunters there already in the 18th and 19th years.
          And your ironic sympathy, in this case, is not appropriate.
          Or your grandfather (great-grandfather) fought for white? ...
          1. Andrey58
            Andrey58 6 February 2013 23: 36
            -9
            Quote: yak69
            Or your grandfather (great-grandfather) fought for white? ...

            Grandfathers - no (they didn’t fit by age), unfortunately I don’t know about great-grandfathers yet. If we fought for the whites, I would be very proud of it.

            Quote: yak69
            After the civil was repressed. He did not sit for long.

            Quote: yak69
            . My mother was born in exile, in Central Asia, I was also born in S. Asia

            Well, was it worth it to establish the Bolshevik power?
            1. zadorin1974
              zadorin1974 7 February 2013 01: 59
              +3
              it’s strange to hear such words from an adult (or am I mistaken?) My great-grandfather fought on the side of the whites and somehow it doesn’t give me pride !!!!! I generally consider the civil war THE GREATEST TRAGEDY OF RUSSIA - it brought a lot of grief and suffering. to those who still tried to cash in on our grief, my attitude is vile and disgusting. And I’ll add from history - in Votkinsk, near the 3th entrance of the Mash plant, there is a small monument - to prisoners of the death barge - at 19 Kolchak residents drowned the barge together with living people - and you are happy about it ?????
              1. Andrey58
                Andrey58 8 February 2013 22: 30
                0
                Quote: zadorin1974
                I generally consider the civil war the GREATEST TRAGEDY OF RUSSIA - it brought a lot of grief and suffering.

                Absolutely right. And both sides were "good" in it. But as in many wars, in the Civil there were less bad and more bad. Whites were less bad because they fought for the country, for the faith, for the traditional Russian way of life, for legitimate power, and not for the embodiment of the crazy ideas of some Euro-idiot.
                Among whites, the bulk of the work proved its loyalty and love for the motherland, fighting for it on the fronts of the First World War. The bulk of the Bolsheviks at that time lay back in the links (just like that, because the link is not hard labor and not Soviet ITL. If there was support from the will, one could live very well there) or abroad.
                You can recall a sealed wagon. It was not Denikin or Kolchak who was transported to Russia through the territory of enemy Germany. This story also does not paint the Bolsheviks.
                So it turns out that in Civilian patriots fought against traitors. And the traitors unfortunately won. And you should not be shy that your grandfather fought for the whites. He fought on the right side.

                Quote: zadorin1974
                In Votkinsk, near the 3th entrance of the Mash plant, there is a small monument - to prisoners of the death barge - at 19 Kolchak residents drowned the barge in a swath with living people

                But is there no monument to the workers who died in the Izhevsk-Votkinsk uprising anywhere on the factory entrance?
          2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
            NOBODY EXCEPT US 7 February 2013 00: 44
            +2
            And now what is fashionable about the Bolsheviks do not show movies and about the admirals that you want, or am I wrong ????
        2. s1н7т
          s1н7т 7 February 2013 01: 05
          +1
          Quote: Andrey58
          Is yours fighting for the Reds? Sorry.

          Spit in your ... face
        3. Sirocco
          Sirocco 7 February 2013 07: 47
          0
          And you come from what, from the red, or white? And how did you survive so far?)))
        4. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 7 February 2013 10: 28
          0
          And it was necessary for the king-father?
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 7 February 2013 09: 38
        +1
        Quote: yak69
        If our grandfathers knew what grandchildren and great-grandchildren would come for them, how they would give their homeland to the descendants of those who did not defeat them in the 19th and 40s for tampax and Snickers ...

        What is done is done. The lamentations will not help. We need to preserve what is at all costs, equip them competently, and increase them. And do not repeat the fatal mistakes of the 90s. Russia will still show itself. I am sure about that.
    3. domokl
      domokl 6 February 2013 19: 28
      +1
      It is strange that such an article appeared in the USA ... For example, I have not even heard of such cases ... Saying that the author thought up something stupid ... How many white spots we have in history ...
      And there is only one conclusion from all that has been read: you never have to trust the Anglo-Saxons, even if they live overseas ... Only with your own mind, albeit with mistakes, but yourself .. Otherwise, you will have to constantly beat the advisers in their faces ...
      1. Pit
        Pit 6 February 2013 19: 49
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        For example, I have not even heard of such cases ...

        And they were in the east, they also planned to support do not understand anyone. But in fact, they stupidly exterminated the local population, and when the Red Army approached, they quickly dumped.
      2. Sandov
        Sandov 6 February 2013 19: 58
        +7
        domokl,
        Well, this has been known for a long time. The article is not specific, so are common phrases. Then the whole west with Japan came to us. Russia cannot be weak and fragmented. This must be understood by all the peoples of our homeland.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 7 February 2013 09: 45
          0
          Quote: Sandov
          Russia cannot be weak and fragmented. This must be understood by all the peoples of our homeland.

          This is precisely what McCuckain dreams of in his sick imagination — so that Russia breaks up into as many small parts as possible. Here is a sick freak wassat
    4. Nechai
      Nechai 6 February 2013 20: 14
      +2
      It was American soldiers who brought Spanish and malaria to Russia. That claimed, if not millions, then hundreds of thousands of lives. The fact is that they themselves, in the dark, were infected in fort PPD with this infection.
      1. wax
        wax 6 February 2013 23: 11
        +1
        Malaria is transmitted through the bite of malaria mosquitoes.
    5. morpex
      morpex 6 February 2013 20: 49
      +1
      During the American Civil War in 1863, did Russian naval squadrons arrive in New York and San Francisco as a demonstration against England and France, who intended to support the Southern Confederation? In honor of the Russian sailors, parades were held in both cities, and the American population joyfully welcomed them as allies.

      Note - support! Do not participate in the conflict, do not kill but support!
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 7 February 2013 09: 56
        0
        Quote: morpex
        Note - support! Do not participate in the conflict, do not kill but support!

        And what is the difference? If it came down to it, they would have supported it by military force, it was not in vain that they came there! request
    6. Neringa285
      Neringa285 6 February 2013 20: 52
      +10
      Yes, the Americans marked us (and where did they stick their nose?), Leaving a bad memory of themselves, which, alas, our current youth, brought up on American action movies and fed hamburgers and Coca-Cola, for the most part did not has no idea. How the 12th expeditionary force of the United States, with fire and sword, “established freedom and democracy” on our land, should be told in detail.

      "Could not sleep without killing someone"
      In the archives and newspaper publications of that time, to this day, evidence is kept of how the Yankees, having arrived far off the ground, ruled our land, leaving a bloody trace in the fate of the Russian people and in the history of Primorye. So, for example, having captured the peasants I. Gonevchuk, S. Gorshkov, P. Oparin and Z. Murashko, the Americans buried them alive for their connection with local partisans. And the wife of the partisan E. Boychuk was dealt with in the following way: they stabbed the body with bayonets and drowned in a cesspool. The peasant Bochkarev was disfigured beyond recognition with bayonets and knives: "the nose, lips, ears were cut off, the jaw was knocked out, the face and eyes were stabbed with bayonets, the whole body was cut up." At Art. Sviyagino, the partisan N. Myasnikov was tortured in the same brutal way, who, according to an eyewitness, "first chopped off his ears, then his nose, arms, legs, chopped to pieces alive." This is such a "democracy" Scoundrels and perverts ... well, there are also obscene words, but you can't write them here ...
      1. wax
        wax 6 February 2013 23: 16
        +1
        From the genocide of the Indians to the present day, nothing has changed. No wonder they pray that God will save America. God sees everything, but patient, however, apparently he has not yet decided who to entrust retribution to.
        1. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 7 February 2013 10: 31
          0
          Strange, I thought they sold the whole country of the soul to the devil what
      2. redwolf_13
        redwolf_13 7 February 2013 02: 43
        +7
        But the Americans were noted not only in the north but also in the Far East.
        US forces in the Far East were 7.950 men under the command of Major General William Graves. These were the 27th and 31st regiments of the US Army ina place with a large number of volunteers from the 13th, 62nd and 12th regiments who arrived from the Philippines. American troops began arriving in Vladivostok in the second half of August 1918. Graves announced that he will pursue a policy of "non-interference in the internal affairs of Russia." Under an inter-union railway agreement, the Americans were assigned to guard sections of the Trans-Siberian Railway from Vladivostok to Ussuriysk and in the Verkhneudinsk region.
        Here are excerpts from the recollections of the army
        A few lines from the diary of the colonel of this very expeditionary force, which complains that his poor soldiers ... "could not sleep without killing anyone that day. When our soldiers captured the Russians, they drove them to the Andriyanovka station, where the wagons were unloaded, the prisoners were brought to huge pits, where they were shot from machine guns. ” “The most memorable” for Colonel Morrow was the day “when 1600 people were delivered in 53 wagons”. Subsequently, Major General William Graves admitted that he received numerous complaints about the actions of American soldiers from local authorities, but who were interested in these same complaints? Yes, absolutely no one ....
        “The interventionists surrounded Little Cape and opened hurricane fire on the village. Upon learning that the partisans were not there, the Americans became bolder, burst into it, burned down the school. They flogged atrociously everyone who came into their arm. The farmer Cherevatov, like many others, had to be taken home bloodied, unconscious. The brutal oppression was repaired by American infantrymen in the villages of Knevichi, Krolevtsy and in other settlements. In front of everyone’s eyes, an American officer shot several wounded guy Vasily Shemyakin into the head. ”
        “A 23-year-old citizen K. was brutally raped by a group of American soldiers in Sedanka. Facts of violence against women and girls by stallions in the form of the US Army were repeatedly recorded in other parts of Vladivostok and Primorye. Obviously, the girls of easy virtue, which then, as now, were not few, the American warriors were already fed up. By the way, one of the “priestesses of love”, who “awarded” several American “cowboys” with a bad disease, was somehow found killed in Prudova Street (where the Komsomolets movie theater now stands) “with five revolver bullets in the body”.
        The end of the American freemen in the Far East came in 1920, when the Red Army began a rapid advance in Siberia, realizing that they would have to fight with the regular army, and not force women and beat the peasants, the Americans did what they did best. They rushed to save their asses. But in 1920 the stay of American soldiers on our land was not limited, especially notorious villains remained, but they were already in the Japanese army, which at that time had sickly claims on our territories. True, the Japanese could not understand in time when to flee and most of them were destroyed, the same fate befell the Americans who remained at that time in Russia. The most surprising thing is that over time nothing has changed, it's only at home they protect the rights of animals. And what they do in the occupied territories they no longer care about.
    7. GSH-18
      GSH-18 7 February 2013 09: 18
      +2
      A lot of turmoil at that time, other nations made us bad, weak, they all peck. Even our brothers, Slavs with unrelevant, tried to cut out all Rusyns. And what kind of amers then say? ...
      Russia must be strong always, then the people and territory will be intact. angry
  2. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 6 February 2013 18: 20
    +13
    Yes, we have not forgotten this fact, we have not forgotten. I feel soon our Americans will return
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 6 February 2013 18: 22
      +3
      In the sense: "I gave birth to you, I will kill you" (C)? wink
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 6 February 2013 18: 49
        +7
        Quote: Atlon
        "I gave birth to you, I will kill you"

        And in my opinion, they themselves castrated!
        I VOTE for the American peers in the State Department, every hour and categorically! To arrange a sabantuy (This ..., meeting) with the involvement of gay delistas in kind is preferably on a dish. America forward!
        From Russia ..., "roosters" are sent in containers. point. Fear the Somali pirates. point, BU goods. your friends on the board. wr
        1. Nechai
          Nechai 6 February 2013 20: 27
          +3
          Not only amers, Angosaxon "civilization" as a whole, with gay Europe together.
          Today, the Church of Great Britain decided to legalize same-sex marriage of priests ... Al-forest-s! This is pi-sez ... Garden and home! And the fate of these New Sadomites will be the same ...
    2. domokl
      domokl 6 February 2013 19: 30
      0
      Quote: Ragnarek
      Yes, we have not forgotten this fact, we have not forgotten. I feel that our memory will return to the Americans soon
      Tipun to your tongue ... Why again lay Russian bones in foreign lands? They will devour themselves ... But we should not interfere ... That's all lol
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 7 February 2013 10: 16
        0
        Quote: domokl
        And we should not interfere ... That's all

        I would help ... Saiga there, ammo ...
  3. older
    older 6 February 2013 18: 22
    +4
    An interesting article ... A completely unexplored layer of Russian history ... I realized that even the presence of an Internet does not make it possible to find out about everything ... Thanks for the article!
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 6 February 2013 18: 38
      +2
      There is one more little-studied layer of history that is the intervention of American troops in the Far East and their punitive operations against civilians.
      1. domokl
        domokl 6 February 2013 19: 34
        -1
        Quote: BARKAS
        There is one more little-studied layer of history that is the intervention of American troops in the Far East and their punitive operations against civilians.
        It seems to me that, in general, civil war and intervention in the Far East are generally somehow deprived of the attention of historians ... Probably because the Soviet regime was not established there too, not swiftly ...
    2. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 6 February 2013 19: 48
      +2
      dear read the book "From the dead end" "Saint Olga" you will learn a lot. When this thief fled from our north, they even removed the roofing iron from the houses (which was set forth in the claims of the commission on intervention)
    3. valokordin
      valokordin 6 February 2013 19: 53
      +3
      Quote: older
      An interesting article ... A completely unexplored layer of Russian history ... I realized that even the presence of an Internet does not make it possible to find out about everything ... Thanks for the article!

      Not studied? Long studied, read the history of the Civil War, which was taught at school in the 50-80s. There was talked about the aggression of 14 states against the Soviet Republic. In the north, in addition to the British and Americans, the whole army of General Miller fought against the Soviets (is it really our great-grandson who heads Gazprom), but the Red Army turned out to be stronger than ever. Now under the current government, especially the doctors of the false sciences Pivovarov, Svinadze and other hedgehogs with them prefer to remain silent about these democratizers.
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 7 February 2013 00: 49
        0
        Isn’t that your democrat is worthwhile ??? The last 13 years he has been in power ???
    4. Andrey58
      Andrey58 6 February 2013 19: 57
      +3
      Quote: older
      A completely unexplored layer of Russian history ...

      Well, it's you in vain. There are tons of monographs on civil war. And they wrote and write about the intervention. Here is the first of Wikipedia: Kirmel N.S. White Guard Special Services in the Civil War. 1918−1922 Monograph. - M.: Kuchkovo field, 2008 .-- 512 p. - ISBN 978-5-9950-0020-4.
      It's just that these articles are published in specialized journals such as Voprosy istorii or Otechestvennaya istoriya, which the bulk of the population does not read.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 6 February 2013 20: 54
        +4
        Guys ..
        didn’t you study in a Soviet school?
        Well, what is it, really?
        History book ..
        The whole chapter was Soviet Russia in the ring of fronts.
        And there - in black in Russian - there are about expeditionary forces in the Arctic, expeditionary forces in the Far East.
        Fadeev's "rout" (Blizzard is a hero), in the end - what is it about?
        "Peacocks, you say? Huh !!"
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 7 February 2013 03: 36
          0
          Quote: Igarr
          didn’t you study in a Soviet school?

          Quote: Igarr
          Fadeev's "rout" (Blizzard is a hero), in the end - what is it about?

          So now they teach more about something else. Not "Defeat", but "gulag archipelago" ... Traitors are in fashion sad
  4. Armavir
    Armavir 6 February 2013 18: 25
    +4
    Did the Americans already underestimate their losses so much? I will never believe that only 110 people died. from 5000.

    - "I remember how my grandfather told me about his stay in Murmansk. As far as I understood, he was not so far from Arkhangelsk, where the American soldiers were dropped off." - in principle, you can not read further, it becomes clear that somewhere you heard something, but I don't know specifically
    1. Guun
      Guun 6 February 2013 20: 25
      +2
      Yes, in all US wars underestimate losses, anyone in its place would do that. What will happen if people find out how many amers were killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. The war of those years was especially terrible, although what kind of war was terrible.
    2. Nechai
      Nechai 6 February 2013 20: 34
      +3
      They BUY their victories even then. The partisans of Primorye, having figured out the misters, bought weapons and ammunition from them, even managed to buy armored cars and weapons. Well, and then "their own bacon, yes, they need the tinsel"!
  5. SEM
    SEM 6 February 2013 18: 26
    +3
    The article deserves attention. + There is no doubt about the past and current intentions of the United States in the quest for the collapse of Russia !!!
  6. rpek32
    rpek32 6 February 2013 18: 32
    +3
    Wow. I did not know that Amers fought openly against Russia. The author is definitely + for the article.
    1. kin
      kin 6 February 2013 18: 43
      +2
      This is a fairly well-known fact (true for historians). There are even serious scientific studies (dissertations) on this topic. It's just that in the modern school (higher and secondary) this is not paid attention. Read at least the encyclopedia "Civil War and Military Intervention in the USSR".
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 7 February 2013 03: 40
        0
        Quote: kin
        This is a fairly well-known fact (true for historians)

        Any Soviet schoolchild knows this.
    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 6 February 2013 19: 36
      +1
      they also managed to be noted in the Far East, not only in the North
  7. Armavir
    Armavir 6 February 2013 18: 37
    +2
    "The support of the Czechoslovak corps is the most plausible explanation for the participation of American soldiers in those events, they were interested in overthrowing the Russian government. This is the main reason for the US involvement." - and all the promises to human love and democracy ..
    People that you really liked this article and the version of events that are described here? But then there was practically not a word of truth, and the one that is turned upside down ... I see here only one plus about the recognition "The Americans killed the Russians defending their territory" but even then they whitewash from their bell tower, like, well, it happened ...
    The real reasons are not indicated, and all that these humanoids did there ... for me it’s so simple a false discharge in a beautiful wrapper hi
    1. kin
      kin 6 February 2013 18: 47
      +3
      Most likely, it is necessary to place accents in a slightly different way. The Czechoslovak corps was used (in many ways, framed) to achieve their goals, European governments and Americans, including.
      The American soldiers themselves, of course, did not participate in serious battles - they had enough of the 1st World War (therefore, small losses). They used, as always, others.
      The purpose of the foundation is to protect your money. After all, all enterprises, capital, etc. were nationalized by decree on the abolition of private property and as a result of other events of the Soviet government.
      Very well, all this was described by one of the participants in the Civil War - Kokurin. Back in the 1920s.
      1. Armavir
        Armavir 6 February 2013 18: 52
        +1
        This I inserted an article quote.
        and I completely agree with you, but about the real reasons there is not a word or even a hint ... the author gave several possible reasons and chose the one that he liked, well, no way ...
        and I also noticed that years go by, and the reasons and methods of action of the Americans do not change .. everything remains the same .. and especially if you read about the Americans in Vladivostok ...
        1. kin
          kin 6 February 2013 19: 04
          0
          You are, as always, right.
        2. vjatsergey
          vjatsergey 7 February 2013 01: 08
          0
          Maybe I don’t know something, but the whites were in Siberia, how could the amers support them from Arkhangelsk?
    2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 7 February 2013 00: 52
      +1
      So what is the reason if you know ??
  8. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 6 February 2013 18: 37
    +3
    Americans have always been like that !!! Any of their actions have never benefited Russia ...
    1. Prokop
      Prokop 7 February 2013 03: 25
      0
      Quote: Yuri11076
      Any of their actions have never benefited Russia ..

      Everyone, from the Indians to the Libyans and the Syrians, felt the benefits of the actions. Just in SMRAD (Mass Media Advertising Agitation of Disinformation) about this silence.
  9. ruton
    ruton 6 February 2013 18: 38
    +1
    And who is the thread with whom we did not fight and to whom we did not pile? angry
    1. kin
      kin 6 February 2013 18: 49
      0
      Do not have time to fight with Switzerland. Joke!
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 6 February 2013 19: 35
      +2
      Quote: ruton
      And who is the thread with whom we did not fight and to whom we did not pile?

      Yes fully: Trinidad and Tobago, Bhutan and Lesotho. wink Although, of course, we are far from the British.
  10. zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 6 February 2013 18: 40
    +10
    an article on the minus - just no reason - because amers in Russia in 18-19 were already known to everyone - what they robbed and killed - it’s also known - and they ran away from the Russian North when Russian men took up them (not the Red Army, namely Indigenous free people began to unite for atrocities perpetrated by the Expeditionary Corps)
    1. Armavir
      Armavir 6 February 2013 18: 42
      0
      He said well, I fully subscribe, and also put the minus in the article because it wasn’t worth it!
    2. nerd.su
      nerd.su 7 February 2013 03: 44
      0
      Quote: zadorin1974
      when the Russian peasants took up them (not the Red Army, namely, the indigenous free people began to unite for the atrocities committed by the Expeditionary Corps)

      The holy faith that if the boys gather from the yard, will they disperse the police and live happily ever after?
      1. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 7 February 2013 08: 13
        +1
        BOTAN - yes, what a holy faith - our distressful police do not need to disperse much of the mind especially PPS - until they gain a numerical superiority of 1 to 6-8 they don’t even resist (although in the Caucasus decent guys are serving military service as if they were hiring others) A at the expense of the north, I will say this - the peoples of the northern dvina have always been free. And the foreigners were knocked out of the north long before the arrival of the red army by peasant groups - by the way, they also spoiled a lot of blood with red
  11. Russian officer
    Russian officer 6 February 2013 18: 42
    +4
    Greetings to friends! Well. Repetition is the mother of learning. Read. Damn interesting. What should not be forgotten. Perhaps the author’s grandfather was also noted there. Http://topwar.ru/14988-zverstva-amerikancev-v-rossii-ne-mogli-usnut

    -ne-ubiv-kogo-nibud.html
    A completely unstudied layer of Russian history. You are mistaken. Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten..
  12. enot555
    enot555 6 February 2013 18: 42
    +3
    here is mu daki !!!!!!! Poplar cries for them !!!!
  13. Black
    Black 6 February 2013 18: 47
    -1
    Jesuit politics of Washington. Not without their help, Russia got the Bolsheviks, and therefore the civil war, in fact, was excluded from the list of victorious countries in the world war. Intervention is nothing more than the use of the weakness of power and confusion in the country in achieving territorial acquisitions in the north of Russia.
    1. Nechai
      Nechai 6 February 2013 20: 38
      0
      Quote: Chen
      Jesuit politics of Washington. Not without their help, Russia got the Bolsheviks, and therefore the civil war,

      And also Kolchak, to be historically accurate.
      1. Nechai
        Nechai 6 February 2013 22: 17
        +4
        Well, you, my friend (give minus) give a pancake! If this entity is your idol, then at least have the pleasure of studying its biography, inclinations, hobbies, hobbies.
        "In 1916, the history of Kolchak's life was marked by a significant event - the title of vice admiral, commander of the Black Sea Fleet. Having expressed loyalty to the Provisional Government, Kolchak left for Petrograd. Then, in Kolchak's biography, there were trips to the United States, to Japan.
        In 1918 in Omsk he received the post of naval, war minister of the anti-Bolshevik association "Directory". After the arrest of the leaders of the "Directory" in the life of Admiral Kolchak, the post of the Supreme Ruler and Commander-in-Chief was obtained. General Kolchak's troops took the Urals, but soon began to suffer defeat from the Red Army. "
        Behind the scenes of a brief MODERN biography of citizen Kolchak (for see above - fidelity to darling Kerensky) there were:
        -Shameful escape from Sevastopol, leaving to their own devices the SON and the WIFE. A son in France, receiving a passport, refused his father's last name and took his mother's last name. Then the guy fought in the Maki squads. Fearlessly beat the Bosh!
        -Blessed business trip in San Francisco was driven by "friends" from SIS and the State Department.
        Cocaine, and then morphine, debauchery, corruption, godlessness, fanaticism are just facts, well, absolutely unnecessary on the snow-white tunic of the "hero-fighter" against Bolshevism.
        When asked why it was such a triumphant advance of Kolchak’s troops, it also instantly turned into a no less swift flight, modern aftors are modestly silent or already weaving and lousy. Well, do not tell them about those punitive expeditions of pacification carried out by Kolchak units, right? It was organized by him on the seized territories that REDUCED the peoples of Siberia, the Urals, and Transbaikalia!
  14. Region65
    Region65 6 February 2013 18: 54
    +2
    and not only in the north ... there was also an intervention of the Pindory-nosed in the Far Eastern Republic (there was such a short truth, the current Far Eastern Federal District))))) I even have pictures where these pigs with fat, blunt mugs are wandering against the background of our heads cut off ( partisans, simple countrymen, and so on) killed everyone and everything, just like that, with nothing to do, in fact, these under-human beings are now doing this all over the world.
  15. andrei332809
    andrei332809 6 February 2013 19: 07
    +4
    It’s something Pin-dos-sky justice took up the "voice of Russia." and I think why, it turns out, the "wrong" interview was released
  16. Budilnik
    Budilnik 6 February 2013 19: 15
    +4
    ABOUT!!! How I hate America !!
    1. Neringa285
      Neringa285 6 February 2013 20: 54
      0
      I support. I love Belarusians.
  17. воронов
    воронов 6 February 2013 19: 22
    +1
    Anglo-Saxons have always been against us
    1. Neringa285
      Neringa285 6 February 2013 20: 55
      0
      Impudent Saxons since the time of Lord Pitt, sleeping and seeing. How to capture us.
  18. werewolf
    werewolf 6 February 2013 19: 29
    +3
    Here he darling still "protects"
    1. does it
      does it 7 February 2013 15: 48
      0
      now he is standing in a "glass box" after restoration.
  19. Amateur
    Amateur 6 February 2013 19: 35
    -10
    Thanks to the commies - such a country is poorer ... 95 years ago
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 6 February 2013 20: 00
      +4
      Quote: Lover
      Thanks to the commies - such a country is poorer ... 95 years ago

      But what, an amateur with the Americans for one thing, but maybe one of the undeveloped ancestors served in the army of General Miller?
    2. Nechai
      Nechai 6 February 2013 20: 53
      +1
      Quote: Lover
      Thanks to the commies - such a country is poorer ... 95 years ago

      Seryozha, are you familiar with history at all? The empire collapsed in February 17th, brought down its pillars on which the power, as it seemed to her, was based. Including members of the imperial family, they were worn at rallies with red bows in their buttonholes. All the front commanders spoke in favor of the abdication of Nicholas II - "I renounced, as I surrendered a company!" These are the words of the OTHER!
      Eh hehe, don't even know such things? What did we live to see !!!
      Komunyak, as you call them names, must be accused of taking power from the then Aligarhs, the intellectuals of the 5th column, Masons and crooks of all stripes and colors. Do you hate them for these actions?
      But those who surrendered the Union in 91m, neither "komunyaki", let alone the Bolsheviks, can’t be called! Members! Members of the CPSU ..
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 7 February 2013 01: 26
        0
        For members of the CPSU - minus. My brother, a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, worked in a hot shop, brewed steel for the country when the senior comrades of the current "guarantor" were destroying the country in their personal interests. Do not confuse members of the CPSU with "members" (the most neutral option)!
  20. zol1
    zol1 6 February 2013 19: 37
    +7
    How many forces, lives laid on the altar of our FATHERLAND! AND JUDAH in the guise of Gorbachev and Yeltsin sold everything collected bit by bit by our ancestors for 30 pieces of silver! They are damned for ever and ever! Amen.
    1. does it
      does it 7 February 2013 15: 58
      0
      I am silent about thirty silver coins! since the priests knocked everything under themselves for two thousand years so much that we are unlikely to ever find out the truth .a at the expense of Yeltsin, but a traitor!
  21. robinson
    robinson 6 February 2013 19: 39
    +4
    Lately, as it is not noticeable, this thing has been forgotten. Although the school hollowed strictly: In total, 14 states took part in the intervention.
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C8%ED%EE%F1%F2%F0%E0%ED%ED%E0%FF_%E2%EE%E5%ED%ED%E

    0%FF_%E8%ED%F2%E5%F0%E2%E5%ED%F6%E8%FF_%E2_%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%E8
    At the same time, partisans knocked out of many places of the interventionists. Not an army.
    Kolchakov’s intelligence, of course, couldn’t know that in 1919 the US State Department drew up a map of Russia, on which only the Central Russian Upland remained behind our country, and all other territories had to “move” to the USA, England, France, Japan and others "Partners" of America.

    The annex to this map said: “All of Russia should be divided into large natural areas, each with its own special economic life. Moreover, not a single region should be independent enough to form a strong state “


    There is a feeling that they will not calm down in any way. It seems that they will have to calm down.
    1. Cheloveck
      Cheloveck 6 February 2013 20: 19
      +2
      Quote: robinson
      The annex to this map said: “All of Russia should be divided into large natural areas, each with its own special economic life. Moreover, not a single region should be independent enough to form a strong state “

      Part of Russia in the 91st all shared, dogs!
    2. wax
      wax 6 February 2013 23: 30
      0
      Exactly. And then "Amateur" "commies" vparivaet that they
      such a country is poorer ... 95 years ago

      However, he has the opportunity to clarify that he was referring to America.
  22. cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 6 February 2013 20: 00
    +2
    Quote: Yuri11076
    Americans have always been like that !!! Any of their actions have never benefited Russia ...

    Dear Yuri, perhaps I agree with you, although, in fairness, I tried to recall at least some case in which American actions benefited anyone on the planet. Unfortunately, I didn’t remember! Any American actions, for some inexplicable reason, bring crawl only to themselves, their loved ones! ...
    Here, in the comments, I found the following idea: - they say they supported the "Czechoslovak Corps". Let me doubt it! I don’t know what kind, there was "support", but here is that most of the gold reserves of the Russian Empire, as they say "without noise and dust," simply simply disappeared. Well, somehow I changed the owner ...
    And, as the "evil tongues" say, gold bars with two-headed king's eagles lie in Fort Knox to this day! ...
    In today's Geopolitical Mosaic, Oleg Chuvakin quotes interesting excerpts from an article by Noam Chomsky from The Nation
    All rights in Washington ... “It's like the air you breathe. You cannot question it. ”
    “... And if someone begins to express doubts, this causes a state close to hysteria, and often leads to accusations of anti-Americanism and hatred of America.

    how the basis of the international order works (the “Iglesias principle”). Its basis is that the USA have the right to use violencewhen they please.

    After this, you must admit that talking about the benefits for Russia as a result of American actions is somehow not entirely correct! ...
    1. Guun
      Guun 6 February 2013 20: 51
      +2
      I agree with you. One thing has always amazed me, they are considered to be GOOD! This is how they manage to brainwash everyone that they are good and their bombs are good, and their war is exclusively against the Axis of Evil, as it was with Iraq (Iraq and Saddam declared evil evil). Schizophrenia is the middle name of the United States, plus are sick with kleptomania. Ordinary people in the usa may not want to believe that they are being sucked, but how will they say that where they bombed the Taliban and fought against them by the legitimate authority, Karzayev is certainly executed, because the usa never throws allies, no, it's Karzayev threw the usa, they will find relations with Russia or with the PRC, but for sure something is.
  23. andsavichev2012
    andsavichev2012 6 February 2013 20: 00
    -9
    The article is bullshit. The Bolsheviks did not have combat clashes with the Americans during the Civil War. The Americans were in the Arkhangelsk region, together with the British, really in order to protect huge military depots. They sailed away at the request of the Central Executive Committee of the Northern Region.
    Amerikosy also landed a little on D.V., so that the Japanese did not become impudent. They sailed away at the request of the Government of the Russian Far East.
    Of all the allies in the Entente, military clashes with Kr. The army had the current Angles in Baku and then a little bit.
    1. Nechai
      Nechai 6 February 2013 22: 39
      0
      "Kronstadt" wake-up call ""
      "No. 1. Information about the attack on Kronstadt on August 18, 1919, as well as information about the British fleet in the Baltic, obtained by interviewing captured British sailors from sunk torpedo boats
      1. The British were given precise instructions for the operation, developed in three ways; the first of them should be performed if they would have found the entrance to the harbor completely free, in the sense of booms; the second - if there was a boom in the gate that they could not dilute or destroy, and the third - if they discovered a boom that they discovered. In all three versions, each boat1 was given absolutely accurate, comprehensive orders, which were as follows: 1) the destruction of the guard destroyer in a small raid, 2) the destruction of the “Memory of Azov”, 3) the destruction of the “Andrew the First-Called”, 4) the destruction of Petropavlovsk, 5) the destruction of the “Rurik”, 6) the destruction of the “Aurora” or “Diana”, 7) the destruction of the middle port (Nikolaev) dock, 8) the boat had to be a spare and do what one of the first boats failed to do.
      The boats were assigned to operation 8, but one of them lagged behind Teriok, apparently due to damage2.
      The boats, according to the instructions, were supposed to go in the wedge system (7 pieces) and one in front3, but in fact in the wedge system they reached only the line of the northern batteries and from them went already in the wake column structure to the Military Corner, near which they were already dispersed, and three boats, by all likelihood, did not go anywhere further.
      The boats were accompanied by airplanes, which were supposed to "show the way" and in the event of the death of the boat - pick up people; the instructions say, by the way, that each device can take on, in addition to the pilot, another 7 people, but it cannot already rise with them, but must go through the water. Boats, in turn, also had to provide assistance to the devices in the event of an accident. Signaling (by missiles) was allowed only in two cases, namely: two green missiles - damage to the boat and a request for assistance and two red missiles - a bon at the harbor gate, and if the boats, meeting the bon at the gate, couldn’t dismantle or undermine it - they, firing machine guns, should have gone away.
      The operation was carried out as follows: at 3:45 a.m., vehicles (airplanes - Ed.) Appeared over Kronstadt, which fired at ships and walls from machine guns with luminous bullets and threw bombs. At 4 hours, the destroyer Gabriel 20, standing in a small roadstead, noticed two boats near the eastern mark of the Sea Canal and at the same time heard a strong explosion near the harbor wall, under the workshops of the Baltic plant (near a metal crane); the destroyer at this time was shooting back from the airplanes attacking it, but noticing these two boats, opened fire on them and with the first shot from gun No. 4 sank one of them, while the other, turning around in the roadstead, went at a very large speed beyond the Military Corner; the mine that hit the wall was fired by one of these two boats at Gabriel, but did not hit it, and it should be noted that only because of this, the operation was not completed in full. At the time when "Gabriel" [opened fire] on the above boats, he also noticed two or three boats that had passed a very long way into the harbor, did not have time to shoot at them, but opened fire for the Military Corner, because of which all the time boats jumped out and hid back. The boats 2 that had slipped into the harbor blew up the "Memory of Azov" and at 5:4 am blew up the "Andrey [First-Called]" almost simultaneously, after which they jumped out of the harbor, heading south; when leaving the gate, two boats were sunk by the fire of the Gabriel, and after being hit they burned brightly25. "Gabriel" immediately sent his boat, which in two steps lifted the people from the water and delivered them to the destroyer. "
      see more details - http://terijoki.spb.ru/history/templ.php?page=gangut&lang=en
  24. avt
    avt 6 February 2013 20: 03
    +2
    So, what about the concentration camp on Russky Island, on the other side of the country, does Mr. not want to remember? Well, to the heap - the Japanese took a gold from Kolchak, which everyone is looking for now at the bottom of Lake Baikal, in payment of the supply of weapons. And not gold or weapons. Some divers muddied the water in Baikal - they are using sponsorship money.
  25. Andrey58
    Andrey58 6 February 2013 20: 05
    -11
    The article incorrectly reflects the events. To say that the Americans fought against the Russians is very primitive. Not so. The Americans fought against the Bolsheviks (far from Russian by the way) along with the Russians from the White Resistance. That is, this was not some kind of predatory campaign, but part of the general war of the Russian people against the Bolshevik terrorist ideology, against violence and blood, which were sown by the lumpenes, who were brutalized with impunity.
    1. robinson
      robinson 6 February 2013 22: 21
      +3
      Quote: Andrey58
      The Americans fought against the Bolsheviks (far from Russian by the way) along with the Russians

      Archives and newspaper publications of that time still testify that the Yankees, having arrived at distant lands, ruled our land, leaving a bloody trace in the fate of the Russian people and in the history of Primorye. So, for example, having captured the peasants I. Gonevchuk, S. Gorshkov, P. Oparin and Z. Murashko, the Americans buried them alive for their connection with the local partisans. And the partisan’s wife E. Boychuk was dealt with as follows: they pierced the body with bayonets and drowned in a garbage pit. Peasant Bochkareva was unrecognizably mutilated with bayonets and knives: "the nose, lips, ears were cut off, the jaw was broken, the face and eyes were punctured with bayonets, the whole body was cut." At Art. Sviyagino was tortured in the same brutal way by partisan N. Myasnikov, who, according to an eyewitness, “first cut off his ears, then his nose, arms, legs, chopping him to pieces alive.”

      http://www.usinfo.ru/c4.files/1917russiagallery.htm
      There is much more to it. With photos.
      Judging by the modern infe from guantanomo and Afghanistan, believe it.
      1. Andrey58
        Andrey58 6 February 2013 23: 29
        -5
        Quote: robinson
        Archives and newspaper publications of that time still testify that the Yankees, having arrived at distant lands, ruled our land, leaving a bloody trace in the fate of the Russian people and in the history of Primorye.

        1. Believe the newspapers during the Civil War - quite frivolously. The press was then used for the same purpose for which it is now - for misinformation. Who better come up with a horror story about a competitor. Plus the lack of reliable information, mainly rumors, gossip, testimony, etc.
        2. In the Civil War, compatriots did not do that. So it makes no sense to present the severed ears as an example of the outstanding toughness of the newcomer Americans in 1919. If you want, read Melgunov's "The Red Terror in Russia". That's where the horror is.
        3. No matter how you look, you can even see from your note that the Americans killed the perpetrators. Those who assisted the gangster underground cannot be classified as innocent victims, right? And the Bolsheviks soaked everyone in a row, indiscriminately. Just for being part of the propertied class.
        1. robinson
          robinson 6 February 2013 23: 46
          +3
          Quote: Andrey58
          No matter how you look, even from your note it is clear that the Americans killed the perpetrators.

          Are they to blame for the Americans? Get fucked up!
          Our affairs, this is ours. Send such accusers in the ass, let them look for the guilty. And you too! Found a pancake, an excuse! Guilty! Fuck not get up! Pancake.
          1. Andrey58
            Andrey58 6 February 2013 23: 59
            -5
            Quote: robinson
            Are they to blame for the Americans?

            The Americans carried out an allied mission, fought on the side of the whites, and killed, respectively, those who opposed the whites.

            Quote: robinson
            Found a pancake, an excuse! Guilty!

            This is not an excuse, but a statement of fact. Those killed were enemies, but it was not customary to spare the enemies in the war. It is as if you are now here began to urge sympathy with the spirits. They also fought on their land like against the invaders.
            1. s1н7т
              s1н7т 7 February 2013 01: 38
              +1
              Quote: Andrey58
              The Americans carried out an allied mission, fought on the side of the whites,

              They had allies with the "whites" ?!
              What, was such a state ?! Hold on, fool!
              1. Andrey58
                Andrey58 8 February 2013 22: 12
                0
                Quote: c1n7
                They had allies with the "whites" ?!

                They had allied obligations to the British within the Entente.
        2. Neringa285
          Neringa285 6 February 2013 23: 53
          +3
          The Americans had the status of the occupiers !!!!!!!!! They "brought up" not on their own land and not their own people! So repulsing the aggressor is a feat, not a fault!
          1. Andrey58
            Andrey58 7 February 2013 00: 04
            -3
            Quote: Neringa285
            The Americans had the status of occupants !!!!!!!!!

            And who assigned it to them? You will laugh, but the Bolsheviks invited the invaders to Russian soil.
            1. s1н7т
              s1н7т 7 February 2013 01: 39
              0
              Quote: Andrey58
              interventionists on Russian soil were invited by the Bolsheviks.

              Is there a link to the document?
              1. Andrey58
                Andrey58 8 February 2013 21: 47
                0
                Is.

                Here is a transcript of a conversation between Lenin, Stalin and Yuriev about cooperation with the interventionists. Pay attention to the footnote below.
                (Quoted from Documents on the History of Civil War in the USSR. Vol. 1 // M., Politizdat, 1941. S. 190-191.).
                1. Andrey58
                  Andrey58 8 February 2013 21: 50
                  0
                  Page 190. The transcript.
                  Pictures are somehow difficult to insert.
                  1. Andrey58
                    Andrey58 8 February 2013 21: 51
                    0
                    And this is the text of the agreement between the Murmansk Council and the British (Quoted from Documents of the USSR Foreign Policy // M., ISU, 1959. P. 221.).
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 7 February 2013 01: 35
      +1
      Quote: Andrey58
      part of the general war of the Russian people against the Bolshevik terrorist ideology

      American intervention - as part of the war of the Russian people ...
      This shopopets, frank nonsense!
  26. pa_nik
    pa_nik 6 February 2013 20: 15
    +2
    Ah yes amers. Ah yes "allies". They were given three tasks: 1. To guard the warehouses 2. To overthrow the Bolsheviks 3. To help the Czechs. All three leaked. They would be sitting on their islands, the Indians on the reservations drove, no for free they pull all the time. So, they came to divide Russia ... But in general, these jackals do not go one at a time: either Napoleon drove half of Europe, or Hitler bent everyone in our direction. And now - they gathered in NATU and squint ... They feel sorry for them with the inferiority complexes developed over the centuries. To poke oneself, again, after all, you’ll stay without teeth, wise guys, ..lya. And no matter how many planes we have, and they have tanks. Let's figure it out. stop
  27. rubber_duck
    rubber_duck 6 February 2013 20: 41
    0
    "The second task was to overthrow the Bolshevik government." That is, they had other tasks as well! An ambitious, as they say now, a project, ambitious ... laughing
  28. CreepyUknow
    CreepyUknow 6 February 2013 20: 48
    +1
    + to this, their actions in the Far East against our civilian population at the same time ... the West always wished us only good!
  29. knn54
    knn54 6 February 2013 20: 54
    0
    Veni, Vidi, Fugerunt!
  30. Nechai
    Nechai 6 February 2013 20: 56
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    Quote: robinson
    It seems like you have to reassure.

    That's right! For they are preparing the second edition of Intervention.
  31. YARY
    YARY 6 February 2013 21: 19
    0
    Something is buggy! No one has a problem?

    Something is buggy! No one has a problem?
  32. stalker
    stalker 6 February 2013 21: 28
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    If we were to look at the root, then we didn’t need this revolution, it was planned by the people who then sent all these interventionists to plunder the Great Empire, and the common people were seduced by all this nonsense and let us destroy each other briefly in a nutshell.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 7 February 2013 01: 47
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      Quote: stalker
      If you look at the root, then we don’t need this revolution, it was planned by people who then sent all these interventionists to

      What kind of revolution are you talking about?
      In a nutshell, only morons know history.
      1. stalker
        stalker 7 February 2013 07: 25
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        This is me about revolution
      2. stalker
        stalker 7 February 2013 07: 41
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        About the revolution of 1917, if you know about this, write in a nutshell and know these are two different things.
      3. Andrey58
        Andrey58 8 February 2013 21: 59
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        Quote: c1n7
        In a nutshell, only morons know history.

        Before you taught others, you yourself would have learned. Comrade Major, damn it. lol
  33. darkman70
    darkman70 6 February 2013 21: 50
    +1
    Well, actually, in Soviet times, these events took place at history lessons.
    But not now?)
  34. suharev-52
    suharev-52 6 February 2013 22: 06
    +2
    I read the comments and was horrified. This is how it was necessary to try to bring Soviet education (the best in the world) to the point that today's "educated people" do not know the history of their country. I'm looking at modern youth who know the history of the United States very well, but alas, their own. Sincerely.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 7 February 2013 01: 49
      0
      Quote: suharev-52
      This is how it was necessary to try to bring Soviet education (the best in the world) to the point that today's "educated people" do not know the history of their country. I'm looking at modern youth who know the history of the United States very well, but alas, their own.

      Well, now at the "helm" are the successors of the "gorby" and "ebn" business.
  35. Klimov
    Klimov 6 February 2013 22: 43
    -3
    It is time for OUR expeditionary corps to land on them. I am sure there will be many volunteers.
  36. shurup
    shurup 6 February 2013 22: 58
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    D. London described well the methodology for calculating combat losses by the Anglo-Saxons. A European killed in the "terrible" Solomon Islands was recorded as having died of dysentery. Otherwise, there was a problem with the recruitment of new personnel.
    Similarly, here - 100 dead, 100 wounded and some deaths from dysentery, well, from the flu, too. Similarly in Iraq, etc.
    The Americans removed from the Russian north when it dawned on them that the British were using them as their colonial troops, while at the same time habitually exercising general leadership in the rear. In the Far East, the Japanese used the same.
  37. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 6 February 2013 22: 59
    +1
    One of my favorite books in my childhood was the book by E. S. Kokovin "Childhood in Solombal". This book just tells about foreign intervention and the struggle against the occupiers in Arkhangelsk.
  38. aksai61
    aksai61 6 February 2013 23: 02
    +2
    And what do you want from a nation of thieves, killers and prostitutes! request Declarations of love, repentance, nobility ... Right now, keep your pocket wider !! wink
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 7 February 2013 01: 51
      -1
      Quote: aksai61
      And what do you want from a nation of thieves, killers and prostitutes!

      There is no nation, there is a country of thieves, murderers and prostitutes! And they are pulling us there too - the WTO, etc.
  39. kukuruzo
    kukuruzo 6 February 2013 23: 44
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    very interesting information ... about the fact that the pressure in this region has increased from the West, it can be judged by exercises, new weapons ... we don’t know about intelligence
  40. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 7 February 2013 00: 25
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    The troops were to fight against the army of the Russian government, which came to power after the October Revolution, that is, against the government of Lenin.

    Well, of course, they would overthrow the government of their agent of influence of Bronstein. If there was a different goal, then the Americans would take Peter and Moscow easily, for the entire Red Army was the Southern and Eastern fronts, and nobody against them.
    I am personally convinced that the Americans there landed with the sole purpose of taking out everything that they managed to deliver to the port of Murmansk and Arkhangelsk of the Russian Empire.
    It’s the same as getting caught getting gold for deliveries, and then come and take these deliveries back.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 7 February 2013 01: 53
      -2
      Quote: GOLUBENKO

      I am personally convinced

      What history is to us, we have beliefs! laughing
  41. One-Two
    One-Two 7 February 2013 01: 16
    -2
    Yes, you read the comments and oh ... w, I understand why we live like this, I am globally about Russia!
  42. Alexfu
    Alexfu 7 February 2013 05: 58
    +1
    In principle, now Russia may demand compensation for the occupation of its lands, and even with interest. At the international court in The Hague. There are documents, the only thing that needs to be proved is the export of values, but this issue is also being resolved. To dip them in their shit.
  43. kostella85
    kostella85 7 February 2013 10: 38
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    In fact, the Americans to us, in the Far East, began to spoil under Alexander lll.
    For example:
    At the turn of 1880-1890, both the presidential administration and the "public" actively supported the terrorist organization "Narodnaya Volya", even in spite of the "law of 1887 on the extradition of criminals", lectures of fugitive Narodnaya Volya members were held in public places.
    There was also a serious conflict of interests between Russia and the United States in the Far East and in Manchuria due to the rapprochement between the United States and Great Britain and Japan.
    In the 1880s, the US Congress adopted a series of decisions condemning the policy of Alexander III on the Jewish question (already in those days it was ironically domestic policy of Russia).
    Relations between the reign of Nicholas ll (1896-1917) became even more aggravated:
    In 1900-1902 American naval teretik Rear Admiral A. T. Mehan developed the theory of “containment” of Russia as a powerful “continental” power by creating a bloc of “maritime” states led by the United States. A. T. Mahan and US President Theodore Roosevelt, who shared his concept, believed that the United States should pursue a policy of active expansion in the Far East, they stated that "Russia is not a civilized country and therefore cannot play a civilizing role in the East ...
    Since 1901, the administration of Theodore Roosevelt provided financial and military-technical assistance to Japan, thereby taking its side on her (Japan) side in the war of 1904-1905.
    There are many such examples. Although American business in Russia, as well as Russian in the USA, in the XlX-early XX century, felt quite comfortable.
  44. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 7 February 2013 13: 05
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    s1н7т,
    Quote: c1n7
    What history is to us, we have beliefs!

    Are you a great connoisseur of history? Svanidze does not consult with you, and Rezun? Do you have a Ph.D. or doctoral thesis on the topic: "Civil War 1918-1922"? Although I see a banal troll with a limited vocabulary, unable to conduct a dialogue with the interlocutor without obscenities, insults and provocations. What course are we studying, know-it-all? laughing
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 8 February 2013 08: 46
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      Quote: GOLUBENKO
      Although I see a banal troll with a limited vocabulary, unable to conduct a dialogue with the interlocutor without mates, insults and provocations

      This, as I understand it, is an example of dialogue without insults and provocations ?! laughing
      Quote: GOLUBENKO
      What course do we study, know-it-all?

      So I received a history teacher diploma back in 87. laughing

      History is based only on facts (direct and indirect), but not on beliefs. hi