Dmitry Rogozin: defense industry will be Russia's pride

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The defense complex is able to become the locomotive of the entire economy

On January 26, a general meeting (military science conference) of the Academy of Military Sciences was held at the Cultural Center of the Russian Army. Like a year ago, Dmitry Rogozin took part in the work of this forum (“We are waiting for help from military science and the defense industry). In his speech, he actually summed up the work of the military-industrial complex of Russia in 2012, which, according to the vice-premier of the Russian government, became difficult for the national defense industry, but nevertheless a breakthrough.

A year ago, at a meeting of the Academy of Military Sciences, much was said about plans to strengthen ties between industry and the Armed Forces. It cannot be said that today a radical change has come in this area, but if we use the terminology of military storiesthen we have already won the “Moscow Battle”.

Objectives of the day

Last year, the main efforts of the defense industry were aimed at solving the tasks set by the new government and the Military Industrial Commission (MIC).

The first. It was possible to establish a constructive and professional dialogue between the Armed Forces and the military-industrial complex. Emotions of public opinion on statements of certain major military leaders, who allowed themselves to reproach Russian equipment, stopped, while it was successfully exported. Now, with the help of the new leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff, this problem has been overcome and the dialogue has been restored.

The second challenge is the revival of science and the stimulation of the implementation of basic research programs for the defense industry. Analysis of the state defense order shows that basically we spoon out the last drops of Soviet scientific and technological progress. And it is necessary to lay a new foundation for a modern scientific school capable of creating a superior adversary. weapon. It is necessary to act according to the line determined by the President of Russia, to develop an advanced scientific and technical strategy aimed at over-horizon planning for the development of weapons and military equipment (IWT).

The third no less difficult task is overcoming the technical and technological backwardness of industry. It should be solved in parallel with the implementation of the state defense order. On the one hand, they demand the quality and volume of supply of modern equipment from the military-industrial complex, on the other hand, all of this is done on machines that had been exported back from the Krupp plants in 45. It is necessary to raise the level of these two processes synchronously. And here we are faced, figuratively speaking, with “blockade syndrome”. When, after twenty years of under-financing, large orders and considerable funds suddenly went to industry, it turned out that enterprises had picked up money not at all for the purchase of equipment and training, but for healing the accumulated sores.

Another topic that should be addressed immediately is the absence of any authority in such professions as the general and chief designer, technologist and engineer. Raising the prestige of engineering and technical universities - a strategic super-task. If we have only humanitarian professions in honor, we will not be able to create carriers of ideas. Neither technology nor machine tools will be needed, since there will be no one to use them. Closely related to this is the problem of youth and its involvement in the DIC, creating a whole system of material and moral incentives.

In manual mode

The result of last year for placing the state defense order is not bad. For the main customer, the Armed Forces and the Ministry of Defense, the placement of the assignment was 99 percent, for law enforcement agencies and special services, 99,9 percent, for Rosatom, 100 percent.

Dmitry Rogozin: defense industry will be Russia's pride

The purpose of the manual mode, in which the military industrial complex, the government, and the Ministry of Defense worked last year, was to switch to automatic mode, normal routine work, to create smooth motor skills, when everything is done according to the mind, according to the plan, and without agiotage.

Pooling capacity

One of the main tasks was to consolidate the assets of the defense industry, in the register of which there are 1250 enterprises.

Many of them work dispersedly, do not interact with each other. There is no uniform technical policy. Some enterprises have a poster base, needed by others, but due to disunity they do not cooperate. Sometimes two adjacent plants produce one lineup. Therefore, the agenda includes the creation of integrated structures and the unification of design potential. If anything has to compete, then it’s above all thoughts and design ideas.

In the past year, the formation of a management systems corporation into a single fist was completed. This included leading institutes and enterprises engaged in automated control systems of both the Armed Forces, their genera and species, and industry itself.

Measures were proposed to create a centralized industrial and intellectual center for breakthrough technologies for hypersound. We are now taking measures to build up new capabilities for these purposes on the basis of Tactical Missile Corporation Corporation.

The work is underway to create an additional, narrower industrial cooperation in aerospace defense systems. We are talking about a closer dialogue between the corporations "RTI Systems" and "Comet" to create information tools for East Kazakhstan.

According to Roskosmos, quite stringent measures were taken to establish quality control systems and technologies. A massive update of the industrial base of the industry has led to a sixfold decrease in the accident rate. Until the end of March this year, the government will have to decide on the structure of the space industry holding holdings for guidance, control and engine-building systems.

On my initiative, the Kalashnikov concern is being created on the basis of the Izhmash group, Izhmekh, the design organizations of the rifle industry and, in the future, other enterprises. This is done in order to develop truly modern small arms and use our great national brand associated with the name of the great Kalashnikov. To defend the copyright for the manufacture of our automatic weapons, which are made today without any licensing rules, we face tough lawsuits and judicial struggle. The concern being created will include not only shooting companies, but also the production of modern ammunition.

The head developer of the ideology of small business will be TsNIITOCHMASH, on the basis of which the laboratory of the military-industrial complex has already been organized to develop the modern look of servicemen and equip them with combat gear. The point of this experiment is that the developers and manufacturers of the object, customers and exploiters are united in one workshop. In the general audience are engineers, designers, technologists and the best snipers of all power structures who know well how it should be: ergonomic, comfortable, fast. During 2013, this laboratory will offer the Armed Forces new types of small arms that are not inferior to the Western one, but are ahead of them in some positions.

For United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), during 2012, we worked to consolidate assets. USC bought a controlling stake in Severnaya Verf Shipbuilding Plant OJSC, which was in private hands. The corporation also included OJSC Baltiysky Zavod and Vyborg Shipyard.

Last year, the deeply modernized military transport Il-476 was first put on the wing. The President of Russia was present during the first flight of this aircraft in Ulyanovsk, the creation of which used new technologies, digital systems, and a light wing based on composite materials. This is a major breakthrough, and we already have an order for the production of models for transport aviation, refueling and other modifications. In fact, we are talking about the revival of the Ulyanovsk Aviation Enterprise.

The restoration of other promising projects, including the front-line aviation complex, is noted. He recently made a long-haul flight, breaking more than 7000 kilometers. This aircraft opens up new horizons for the development of fighter aircraft. We are moving to the beginning of planning for a promising long-range aviation complex based on other engineering and technical solutions that will allow us to revive parity in this area.

Belarusian issue

A year ago, in this audience, we talked about Belarus. There are representatives of our fraternal republic. The result of the joint work of the Military Industrial Commission with Belarusian colleagues was the amendment of 24 in December of 2012 to the Government of the Russian Federation decree of 30 in March of 2012. According to the document, new conditions are determined when placing orders for state needs of Russia, including within the framework of the state defense order. For goods, materials and components, the country of origin of which is the Republic of Belarus, the regime established for Russian-made goods is applied. Now we are building equal military-technical industrial ties with our Belarusian colleagues. I note that before 2012, Belarus was considered as a foreign state.

Mobilization tasks

The state gave small funds to enterprises on mobilization tasks for maintaining old workshops that are unable to accommodate modern equipment. The government was mistaken that a new technique could be produced. Today, after the revision of the MIC of the corresponding plan, the following texture is applied: mobilizations apply only to enterprises capable of manufacturing products within the framework of the requirements laid down in the long-term State Armaments Program. There will be opportunities to increase the productivity of technological equipment that has already been purchased by existing enterprises. All other unused facilities should be mercilessly repurposed or modern equipment should be purchased for them in order to produce products necessary for the Armed Forces.

Cadres decide everything

A separate question on personnel and housing. This is one of the strategic themes, because you can build factories, start equipment, but if the issue of personnel is not resolved, then the price is worthless.

Provided that volumes of purchases of weapons and military equipment are kept in accordance with GV-2020 by 2015, the defense sector projected a one-time increase in wages compared to 2011, and by 2018, by two times.

In order to improve the living standards of defense workers, as well as the motivation of promising young and experienced skilled personnel of organizations executing state defense orders, new principles for awarding scholarships to industry workers were approved by decree of the President of the Russian Federation on October 14 2012. As part of its implementation, starting from 2013, the transition will be made to a lump-sum payment of housing scholarships, which will increase the amount of annual payments to 500 thousand rubles - for outstanding achievements and to 350 thousand rubles - for a significant contribution. The number of scholars will also increase due to the annual competition of applicants.

Housing is one of the important incentives for attracting personnel to the DIC. To solve the housing problems of workers in the industry, it is proposed to use mechanical incentives for the construction of rental stock housing and mortgage lending. Based on the experience of implementing such projects, the need for rental housing is planned to be adjusted. On the initiative of the military industrial complex 30 in December 2012, a federal law was adopted, according to which for the development of the construction of housing cooperatives, an additional list of categories of citizens - members of such cooperatives was approved, which included defense industry workers.

A compromise solution to the housing problem can be the creation of conditions for the possible purchase of housing by a certain category of workers in the defense industry, especially young people. To this end, the Federal Housing Development Foundation is empowered to conduct so-called Dutch auctions (whoever works to lower the price of housing wins). A list of categories of citizens who have the right to purchase such housing has been introduced, which includes defense industry specialists and scientists. A project has already been implemented to conduct similar auctions in the Rostov Region and Primorsky Krai. According to their results, it is planned to build about 50 thousand square meters of housing.

Stimulated and a different approach. Many enterprises occupy vast territories in the centers of cities. So much land is not needed by many. The released areas will be retrained into habitable housing. We already have the first experience. In the city of Korolev, on the territory of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation, housing construction begins for the workers of this enterprise, which will cost 2,5 less than one square meter in the city than is realized in the city.

I cite such an example and figures because I want to let you know - for us this question is extremely important. Today, the moral and material incentive must work fully to saturate defense enterprises and military science with truly qualified specialists.

It is extremely important to create a council of rectors of technical universities in the framework of the military-industrial complex in order to work out the entire system. It is necessary to attract the most intelligent adolescents to these educational institutions in order to receive higher education, which will enable them to already come to the enterprises of the defense industry. If there is no new generation in military enterprises, we will not implement the current HPV-2020, or the promising HPV-2025. It is said that the average age of an OPK worker is 48 years, this is half-truth - this age is composed mainly of sixty-year-olds and youngsters who are only at the beginning of their career.

But we will change this situation, we will do it as it was before. The defense industry will become the calling card, the pride of Russia. Because today the weapons program allows the state to overcome its dependence on the oil and gas needle. This can be achieved through the transfer of the defense industry to new industrial rails, and with the establishment of smart work on technology transfer this will lead to their overflow to the civilian industry.

Controversy behind

The past year was difficult not only because big innovative tasks were solved. There were big problems in the relationship of industry with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense. In addition to the disputes that must always be present about the price, quality and volume of production, they were surprised by things that are difficult to understand by military science and “defense”.

For many years, there was a work on the creation of a unified system of command and control of the tactical level (ESU TZ). This is the most important link in leadership, especially in the transition to the so-called concept of network-centric wars. However, taking into account the results of the activities of the military-industrial complex, it was possible to stop and close all projects in October of 2012. It was proposed to completely forget about the money that was spent on the creation of the ESU TK, and start a new program. Instead of bringing the almost ready system to completion, there appeared those who wanted to master additional funds. This strange example suggests that we did not have a systematic approach in matters of state military orders and everything is based on incomprehensible desires, often divorced from real life.

The second case. We are satisfied in the government with the fact that now the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff have a different attitude to military science and military education. But in the fall there was a struggle to preserve a number of academies. I refused to sign a document that was connected with the liquidation of the VKO Academy of Arts. G. K. Zhukova and its merger with the Academy. A. F. Mozhaisky. Now everyone acknowledged that it was right. A systematic approach is needed - without the military science, the Ministry of Defense will not cope.

Frank lobbying

Technology transfer is necessary, but it must be borne in mind that the export policy in the West is extremely tough. Nobody will sell us high-tech products. Moreover, if we buy foreign equipment without the right to get into it, we will kill our Russian manufacturer and sit on a foreign needle.

It was often difficult to understand the absurdity of technical requirements when purchasing abroad in terms of the use of this technique. For example, the famous story with the armored vehicle "Lynx" (Iveco). Representatives of the Italian concern expressed surprise as to why Russians buy finished cars, and then fasten the bumper at the repair plant in Voronezh and give it a different name. The car is not bad, but its purpose is different. It is with enhanced armor protection and is able to overcome the mined areas of the terrain. But to fight on this machine is impossible, including because of the size.

If we talk about the acquisition of technologies for which we have some lag, then we should purchase individual units or do the same thing as our partners who buy Russian weapons and military equipment do.

For example, our Indian partner is now moving to the so-called offset agreements. We, selling finished products, undertake obligations to develop localization, that is, the development of this technology from them and their acquisition of these technologies. So the whole world works in the framework of military-technical cooperation.

For some reason, we were very strange customers who were happy to buy everything ready and be proud of it. At the same time, we can produce a lot ourselves.

We are talking about the BMP-4M, which was manufactured by Kurganmashzavod OJSC. The leadership of the Airborne Forces insisted on the arrival of the chairman of the military industrial complex in Tula to get acquainted with this vehicle. The paratroopers claimed that we needed such a machine with an 100-millimeter cannon, suitable for landing and overcoming mountain obstacles. But for some reason, the former leadership of the General Staff was opposed and advocated the purchase of foreign samples. But who will fight something? The military personnel who actually solve the indicated tasks in combat conditions speak of the need for such a BMP, and theorists from the war do not need it. After our talks with the new leadership of the Ministry of Defense, we came to an understanding of the purchase of an experimental batch of these machines for state tests. If they are successful, the equipment will be adopted. But why are elementary questions solved with such difficulty, with such anguish? Maybe someone has already changed the tactics of the use of airborne forces, which are now turning into internal troops, and they do not need airborne samples of military equipment.

The sniper complex, capable of giving a head start and winning the world championship, is not accepted for service without explanation. But the technical characteristics of the competition for the purchase of weapons are adapted to foreign samples up to the length of the barrel. Why?

This is frank lobbying, which in any other country would end with a judicial investigation. Today, after the Federal Service for Defense Order has been withdrawn from the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Defense, objective monitoring is mainly noted. But the problem remained, and this is a difficult lesson that the new leadership of the defense department must pass now.

Of course, we checked the Mistral. It is strange that ships that do not operate at a temperature of less than seven degrees are purchased for expedition landing in expeditionary operations. I do not know, probably, someone decided that there will be some of our actions in Africa.

Nonprofessional state defense order

We are extremely interested in the restoration of military science. Our technicians, engineers and designers can do everything that the Armed Forces require. But these requirements should be rational and you should not change them several times a year.

The state defense order was reviewed six times. A new commander-in-chief comes, and he wants a locator not on the left, but on the right. For a similar reason, in the Kaliningrad region in the shipbuilding enterprise "Yantar" are rugged ships. Something comes up with the next chief, and after that the price of manufactured products rises. And in the end we get a very unsatisfactory result.

They set the technical assignment, provided its military-scientific support at the development stage, and then the industry should keep track of what will happen during the operation of this technology already in the Armed Forces themselves. Looking for professional purchases.

Fundamental approach

Just before the New Year, a law was signed on the creation of a fund for advanced research in the interests of defense and security; a Board of Trustees was formed, which the President ordered me to head. Now, together with the new leadership of the Ministry of Defense, we are developing a plan of work in this area. It is extremely important to implement the program of fundamental search research, which was approved a year and a half ago by the Scientific and Technical Council of the military-industrial complex and the RAS.

In this case, it is the industry that should undertake the implementation of basic research. She will have to defend in front of the state customer the developments in promising models of weapons and military equipment that can fully take into account scientific and technical progress. In order to systematize the work on military science, the All-Russian Research Institute for Inter-sectoral Information (VNIIMI) has been instructed to create a unified database on all R & D projects, including those conducted in previous years. During 2013, we will introduce the state electronic state defense order system, which will allow us not only to analyze the progress of all work on it, up to the fourth co-executor, but also to systematize all the R & D to arrange access to them.

But it turns out that we are sitting on the great intellectual wealth that was created by our scientists, not knowing that we have it and how to use it. Separate design bureaus and production enterprises actually conduct parallel work, without even knowing the phrase “common technical policy”. Hence the loss of quality, time and resources.

Over-horizon forecast

In order to combine issues of development of a promising military-technical policy, it is also important for us to develop issues related to the military-political sciences. Together with VNIIMI, we will create an institution for the improvement of national defense and security, which will undertake, in close contact with our military scientists, the development and research of modern forms of warfare. And accordingly, the prediction of the technology that is needed for this. It is extremely important here to proceed from the fact that we cannot create an absolutely universal weapon in the conditions of the development of science and scientific and technical progress.

Any weapon with its further specialization should find the right way where it will be used. In this regard, we cannot be satisfied with vague scenarios of forecasting future military operations. We need to know exactly what types of weapons and military equipment are necessary for fighting in various armed conflicts: with a stronger, equal in strength and weaker adversary. These are different things.

TanksIt is certainly advisable to save. But there are scenarios in which we may not even have time to apply them. For this, it is imperative for military science to obtain all the data from the point of view of a leading, over-horizon forecast.
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  1. geptilshik
    -44
    6 February 2013 15: 14
    While current words are heard from this pseudo-patriot
    1. +24
      6 February 2013 15: 38
      Let me ask you !!! And who are you?
      - PATRIOT?
      - I think you are deeply lost in your beliefs!

      Goodbye!
      1. +7
        6 February 2013 16: 09
        In general, why would he make an appointment. I think it’s better suited - FAREWELL. We are not on the road with him. I think so.
        1. +1
          6 February 2013 16: 16
          Quote: AleksUkr
          I think it’s better suited - GOODBYE


          drinks I just quoted words from the so-called "REPA" of one person fellow
      2. +4
        6 February 2013 17: 21
        Quote: LaGlobal
        Goodbye!


        I forgot to add - Who are you?
    2. +10
      6 February 2013 16: 07
      geptilshik
      Where did you come from? Where did you learn to hang labels? Present to the forum participants evidence that you are a patriot! Behind his words are deeds that have acquired a certain meaning in a short time. The main thing is not to rest on our laurels and successfully overcome pessimism, if not more rudely, of personalities like you. The house is being built with a foundation. Good luck to him and his associates in strengthening the defense capabilities of our country. I repeat - OUR. But you are clearly NOT OUR.
      1. +2
        6 February 2013 16: 18
        Do not minus AleksUkr, look at the chronology of posts and to whom his words refer.
      2. +2
        6 February 2013 19: 53
        Quote: AleksUkr
        Where did you come from? Where did you learn to hang labels? Present to the forum participants evidence that you are a patriot!
        Hmm ... As soon as someone begins to tear a vest on his chest and yell about his very real love for the Motherland, I want to embed for sobering ...
        A person is not competent in this matter, but I want to show everyone what is special ... So he gets on the head in full ...
      3. +1
        7 February 2013 00: 09
        Quote: AleksUkr
        geptilshik
        Where did you come from? Where did you learn to hang labels? Present to the forum participants evidence that you are a patriot!


        But he does not need evidence. He grunted the prepared phrase and further, like water off a goose. He has no brains of his own, so he uses the prepared garbage of someone else's mind. This is the usual Internet of beef with the intelligence of a microbe.
    3. +1
      6 February 2013 16: 47
      Quote: geptilshik
      While current words are heard from this pseudo-patriot

      Well, yes, she is Russia:
    4. +1
      6 February 2013 17: 10
      It is not difficult to accuse "pseudo-patriotism". And what did you do useful, patriotic for the country? A man, unlike many other ministers, is trying to fix what was destroyed over the years. Naturally, this cannot be done overnight, but as they say, "The path of a thousand li begins with the first steps" (I did not paraphrase a lot).
      1. +2
        6 February 2013 19: 55
        Quote: Hauptmann Emil
        A person, unlike many other ministers, is trying to fix what has been destroyed over the years. Naturally, this cannot be done overnight, but as they say
        Wonderful words ... I started reading, I thought another patriotic panegyric, but no ... Clever and line ... good
    5. +1
      6 February 2013 19: 50
      Quote: geptilshik
      While current words are heard from this pseudo-patriot
      Sorry, but you are either completely unaware of the events, or a provocateur ... Since the appointment of Rogozin in charge of the defense industry complex in this area, there have been so many changes that only at least an alien could not notice them ...
  2. +8
    6 February 2013 15: 20
    Everything is sorted out ... If so it will be ... God forbid ... Only now this year we see dizziness from successes .... Remember the failure of the launching of ships ...
    We need to strain and strain ... The West and the United States will not let us relax ... They also consider the situation ...
    1. +1
      6 February 2013 15: 24
      Quote: older
      Everything is sorted out ... If so it will be ... May God grant ...

      how "so"? ... like that? ...
      http://www.nachfin.info/SMF/index.php?topic=15057.0 да не дай бог!!!
  3. pa_nik
    0
    6 February 2013 15: 21
    not only .. pay attention to how Dmitry Olegovich looks good .. wassat
    1. +4
      6 February 2013 15: 26
      Quote: pa_nik
      not only .. pay attention to how Dmitry Olegovich looks good ..

      as usual ... pink and plump ...
      1. -4
        6 February 2013 16: 00
        Dmitry Rogozin: The defense industry will be the pride of Russia ............ when Dmitry takes up the case, the job will be done
        1. +2
          6 February 2013 16: 09
          shot back .......... go to the aircraft .................. vzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzh
        2. 0
          6 February 2013 16: 20
          Quote: strannik595
          Dmitry Rogozin: The defense industry will be the pride of Russia ............ when Dmitry takes up the case, the job will be done

          Here is the development for countering micro-drones.
          1. 0
            6 February 2013 16: 40
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Here is the development for countering micro-drones.

            and how many different "kolabashki" in his sandbox ... laughing
  4. +8
    6 February 2013 15: 22
    I am proud of our military-industrial complex, and so, in general, I am proud of: much after the USSR has sunk into oblivion, and the military-industrial complex can still make many types of weapons better than anyone else in the world.
    1. +2
      6 February 2013 15: 34
      Quote: Vladimirets
      I am proud of our military-industrial complex, and so, in general, I am proud of: much after the USSR has sunk into oblivion, and the military-industrial complex can still make many types of weapons better than anyone else in the world.

      Especially the constellation of satellites at the bottom of the ocean is impressive.
      1. +4
        6 February 2013 15: 39
        Quote: Garrin
        Especially the constellation of satellites at the bottom of the ocean is impressive.


        if I can say so: "In every rule, there is an exception."
      2. 0
        6 February 2013 15: 52
        Quote: Garrin
        Especially the constellation of satellites at the bottom of the ocean is impressive.

        This government policy came out sideways. And yes
        Quote: LaGlobal
        "Each rule has its own exception."
      3. +3
        6 February 2013 15: 58
        Quote: Garrin
        Especially the constellation of satellites at the bottom of the ocean is impressive.

        - Yes, even in spite of all these problems, which are not of a systemic nature, by the way, but simply in the nature of carelessness (it is very easy to treat, but this is for Stalin and Beria), the defense industry complex and so the pride of Russia, unfortunately, is almost the only pride. Moreover, the acting, and not, as Rogozin claims, pride in the future was proud. Previously, fundamental science was also the pride of Russia, but it was lost somewhere - in connection with the recent deaths of Arnold, Kapitsa and other grandees, science has lost a lot, and a worthy change is not seen or heard in return. There was something worthy, but this “worthy” preferred immediately after the completion of research in Nizhny Novgorod to hit the road to the Amer and how to “make” their discovery there, thereby giving priority to this country, and a Nobel prize to the same country - do you understand who I mean wink
        Well, do not be proud of the great oil production! But in civilian industry, so far there is sheer dullness, there is also nothing special to be proud of.
        1. +1
          6 February 2013 16: 09
          Quote: aksakal
          in spite of all these problems, which is not of a systemic character, by the way, but of a merely gouging character

          hi aksakal,
          it would be more true - "systemic carelessness"... wink or "system gouging"... at your discretion ...
          1. +3
            6 February 2013 16: 19
            If we do not teach youth modern working specialties, there will soon be nothing to be proud of and their satellites will fall!
            1. 0
              6 February 2013 18: 47
              Quote: BARKAS
              If we do not teach youth modern working specialties, there will soon be nothing to be proud of and their satellites will fall!

              Everything is correct. It’s not even necessary to put boys with a file and a chisel in a vice. We need young people who can read blueprints and not price tags. We need operators of CNC machines, although this is already the last century, Operators of machining centers ... And we have some lawyers, financiers and effective managers.
        2. +1
          6 February 2013 18: 36
          Quote: aksakal

          - Yes, despite all these problems, which is not systemic, by the way, of a nature,
          Sorry, logs in. I'm not even talking about spacecraft, one "Bulava" is worth something. I'm not trying to groan, you just don't need to bury your head in the sand. The sooner we understand, the sooner we fix it. And you have to fix it one way or another.
      4. wax
        0
        7 February 2013 01: 07
        Impressive. It was necessary to reduce acceptance, immediately the result. Acceptance is restored by the previous optimizer managers who have succeeded.
  5. Cartoon
    +3
    6 February 2013 15: 28
    Close the border, become the Russian Federation, and dig pits for nuclear testing. Then no one will sell us anything, and we will be sure that from now on everything is domestic. Although, wait, it seems to me, or has it already been? And it’s not bad in the 60s and 70s. While labeled to power did not seize.
    1. 0
      6 February 2013 15: 31
      Quote: Cartoon
      Although, wait, it seems to me, or has it already been?
      It was of course .. It was just because of this that the country was snapped ... In one mug against the whole world it did not work ...
    2. kin
      +2
      6 February 2013 15: 34
      The 60th and 70th, as it seems to me, were preceded by the 30s and 40s. Without the fact that you have accumulated then, exerting all your strength, depriving yourself, saving, there would be no subsequent standard of living. True, I personally would not want to stand in line for 3 liters of milk again every day after school (as in the 70s).
      1. DeerIvanovich
        0
        6 February 2013 18: 24
        and you didn’t think about where the milk went at that time, the level of production of which was thousands and thousands of times more than now.
        in small towns and villages there were no problems with milk !!!

        food shortages were created artificially.
    3. +1
      6 February 2013 16: 31
      Cartoon! Here, perhaps, I agree partly, but not partly. - Why, I will explain:

      I was born already at the sunset of the Soviet Union, in the distant 89, and perhaps I can’t say anything about those times, and I probably won’t lie (if I may say so) with illusions. For all I can say is the memories of my parents, who were born in the middle of the 60's. I know one thing, then WE ALL were equal, everyone knew their job. It was prestigious to work in a factory, to be a doctor, teacher, etc. They were not afraid to go outside, valiant, then the Police - took care of people (and now she does the same, only using other methods and other rules), there was free training at any university in the COUNTRY and FREE to cure herself and 1 $ was equal to 0.89 cop. Russian ruble. You can discuss a lot, you won’t pass everything on, you won’t write. But at the same time there was a large shortage of goods and services. We could not normally buy household appliances, the same frying pan, TV, etc., not to mention the car, which had to be queued for almost 10 years. And I will not say anything about accessories for those cars.

      So in any country there are disadvantages and advantages. But I know one thing, life is beautiful where you were born and it will be comfortable to live in your homeland anyway! And beyond the hill we are not waiting !!!
      1. DeerIvanovich
        +1
        6 February 2013 18: 27
        these are not illusions, ordinary people lived, and did not survive as 20 years from the 90s. By the end of the XNUMXs, the situation began to change more or less ...
        it is the corrupt elite who wanted "freedom": money and immorality.
  6. +4
    6 February 2013 15: 29
    We’ll see at the end of the year. How the work will go. It’s too early to praise him, there’s nothing to blame either. We will try to be objective.
  7. +6
    6 February 2013 15: 41
    As one well-known figure said. Goals are set, tasks are defined. For work comrades.
  8. +1
    6 February 2013 15: 45
    You can minus, but the facts are a stubborn thing. We used to work more culturally, albeit on antediluvian equipment. Discipline was everything.
    1. alkach555
      0
      6 February 2013 17: 46
      Even how they worked, now it would be so. But I think everything will work out.
      1. +1
        6 February 2013 17: 57
        Quote: alkach555
        Even how they worked, now it would be so. But I think everything will work out.

        I would very much like to share your optimism. The worst thing is that the personnel have lost and there is no replacement. On Salute, where the MIG engines are being made, machine operators from Belarus, and in the Baltic shipyards are welders from Ukraine. The lighthouse, where avionics were made generally stalled. I live in the Mayakovsky house, grandfathers say that during the war there was no such mess during the evacuation. Machine tools on the street without any conservation. Shops leased.
        Everything is sad.
  9. 0
    6 February 2013 15: 48
    If embezzlers are crushed and corruption is even reduced, then it will be good.
    1. 0
      6 February 2013 15: 56
      Quote: ziqzaq
      If embezzlers are crushed and corruption is even reduced, then it will be good.

      Not yet in demand.
      1. +1
        6 February 2013 17: 53
        Quote: Garrin
        Not yet in demand.

        ... on top. And even contraindicated (from the point of view of those who are not in demand) ... feel
  10. +1
    6 February 2013 15: 48
    the bad thing is that there are too many words around. And all the words We will ..., The army will receive ... etc. all in the future tense. But in fact, the result is units
    suspiciously many words, somewhere it was already ... ...
  11. 0
    6 February 2013 15: 50
    I am very pleased with the existence of the "Fundamental Approach", which was dismissed as an annoying fly for almost 20 years. Go Russia!
    1. +1
      6 February 2013 15: 55
      Quote: atos_kin
      I am very pleased with the existence of the "Fundamental Approach", which was dismissed as an annoying fly for almost 20 years. Go Russia!

      Unfortunately, a fundamental approach will arise with the revival of fundamental education and science and with the removal of fuckingly effective nano-managers.
  12. 0
    6 February 2013 15: 51
    Dmitry Rogozin: defense industry will be Russia's pride

    YOUR WORDS ARE GOD IN EARS!
  13. Urrry
    +3
    6 February 2013 15: 54
    There are very few "enthusiasts" left in our leadership ... that's why Rogozin looks strangely against the background of other "cautious pessimists"; even Medvedev and Putin, when they promise some kind of growth, look so tense that it creates the feeling that they themselves do not really believe in it :) And without enthusiasts it is boring, and weren't such enthusiasts infecting the masses with their optimism and confidence in success with their optimism and confidence in real industrial breakthroughs? Only an enthusiastic person who unconditionally believes in the result and victory can draw you along ... Objections to the fact that "he simply does not understand the difficulties, he is frivolous and incompetent" are certainly understandable, but the country sorely lacks an atmosphere of success and good luck, at least in the form "positive propaganda", which is also important :)
    1. 0
      6 February 2013 18: 02
      Quote: UrRRy
      Only an enthusiastic person who undoubtedly believes in the result and victory can carry away ...

      ... like the hero of the famous "The Tale of the Magic Flute", who freed the city from rodents? ... thanks, we'll get out somehow ... stop
  14. kin
    0
    6 February 2013 15: 55
    Developing a military complex is not bad: stable government orders, increasing revenues from arms sales, increasing jobs, and developing technology.
  15. anchonsha
    +1
    6 February 2013 15: 57
    We need more deeds and less chatter, this will give people confidence in the possibility of a revival of the military-industrial complex. As well as the fact that while our science and education are not posed as priority tasks, we will continue to reason like that for a long time.
    1. Moritz
      0
      6 February 2013 16: 19
      Quote: anchonsha
      We need more deeds and less chatter, this will give people confidence in the possibility of a revival of the military-industrial complex. As well as the fact that while our science and education are not posed as priority tasks, we will continue to reason like that for a long time.

      they all up there sincerely dream of the prosperity of the power entrusted to them by the words spoken on television
  16. +4
    6 February 2013 16: 05
    Belarusian issue

    A year ago, in this audience, we talked about Belarus. There are representatives of our fraternal republic. The result of the joint work of the Military Industrial Commission with Belarusian colleagues was the amendment of 24 in December of 2012 to the Government of the Russian Federation decree of 30 in March of 2012. According to the document, new conditions are determined when placing orders for state needs of Russia, including within the framework of the state defense order. For goods, materials and components, the country of origin of which is the Republic of Belarus, the regime established for Russian-made goods is applied. Now we are building equal military-technical industrial ties with our Belarusian colleagues. I note that before 2012, Belarus was considered as a foreign state.


    This paragraph is very pleased. If we are talking about a union state, then the support of the defense industry should be the same, especially since the brothers make excellent electronics, drones, etc.
    1. wax
      0
      7 February 2013 01: 14
      Belarus could doanrit to produce 50 percent drones.
  17. +2
    6 February 2013 16: 18
    Such leaders and patriots of Russia as Rogozin have done and will still do many useful things for the country. He is well known to the people and enemies of Russia. Some respect and value him, while others simply hate him for his courage and love for his homeland. May God give him help in all his affairs!
    1. Vadimber
      0
      6 February 2013 16: 32
      Yes, and he is from a military family.
  18. 0
    6 February 2013 16: 18
    Dear colleagues!
    Once again I try to bring my thought. Now they are trying to introduce into production the achievements of scientists, engineers, designers who were created in the mid 70s and late 80s of the last century. I would like to see the development of 2013. Only in this way we will survive.
    1. wax
      0
      7 February 2013 01: 18
      I noted the appearance of the abbreviation of the Russian Academy of Sciences, which has not been mentioned by half-educated reformers for more than twenty years. Already good. There will be science, there will be new developments.
  19. sxn278619
    -8
    6 February 2013 16: 19
    The Soviet military-industrial complex has never been a locomotive, and the Russian one will never be. The increase in wages will simply lead to an increase in inflation, since the military-industrial complex does not produce consumer goods to absorb this "extra" money, and there will soon be no oil to buy imported consumer goods.
  20. zambo
    +1
    6 February 2013 16: 23
    God help Rogozin!
  21. Arthurian
    +2
    6 February 2013 17: 20
    Rogozin is a normal man. I think his efforts for the benefit of Russia are noticeable. and certainly not a pseudo-patriot, as one pseudo-peasant put it.
  22. alkach555
    +1
    6 February 2013 17: 34
    we will create an institution for the improvement of national defense and security, which will undertake, in close contact with our military scientists, the development and research of modern forms of armed struggle. This institute should be created 20 years ago, where is the complaint book?
  23. Ivankun
    +1
    6 February 2013 18: 20
    Tremble, bourgeois! Kirdyk to you. (with)
  24. DeerIvanovich
    0
    6 February 2013 18: 35
    as many have noticed: "arranged on the shelves." indeed, goals and objectives are clearly outlined, not vague.
    it means that the authorities are embarking on the next stage of the restoration of statehood already without looking at the liberals, apparently many have already been tamed, even more are waiting in line ...
    I advise everyone to track criminal chronicles: more and more stories with anti-corruption cases and stubborn citizens.
  25. +5
    6 February 2013 19: 21
    I think no one will argue with me about the highest level of the Soviet military-industrial complex, the legacy of which we are happily eating up. And who knows the names of the people responsible for the well-coordinated work of this mechanism? In addition to the names of the defense ministers and the chairmen of the Council of Ministers, nothing comes to mind and will not come, if you do not look for information on purpose, because people had no time to be PR, but they had to do their job. The military ordered, fundamental science made discoveries, scientific research institutes and design bureaus, using fundamental knowledge, developed and designed, intelligence mined what the research institutes and design bureaus had not yet thought of, production workers introduced and produced, the military used and evaluated, counterintelligence monitored leaked at no stage. It is hard to imagine that Grechko or Ustinov would daily squeeze in Pravda (there was no twitter) notes about what needs to be done for the defense industry complex, and what they have already done, and what they would have done if it were not for this and that ... The comrades would not have been understood and Pravda would not have published them. Victory reports were left for congresses and propaganda, and completely different people were engaged in them. Dmitry Olegovich, probably due to his irrepressible nature, grabs at everything, and for the organization of science, and for mergers and acquisitions of enterprises, and for the development of concepts. He squeezes through a tank hatch, fires a machine gun, and describes everything on Twitter. The result is an advertisement of a loved one, a national - patriot (C) (See in D.R.'s tweet, 2012) while working in the structures of "dishonest authorities" (C) Rogozin D, "Enemy of the People", M. 2006. I consider it unreasonable to draw conclusions about the real state of affairs in the defense industry complex, bordering on politicking, statements by Rogozin.
    1. +2
      6 February 2013 21: 03
      Quote: Karabin
      Dmitry Olegovich, probably because of his irrepressible nature, he grabs everything, and the organization of science, and the mergers and acquisitions of enterprises, and the development of concepts. Squeezed into the tank hatch, fired from a machine gun. Everything is described on Twitter. The result is an advertisement for yourself, your national patriot

      and there are persistent associations with the words of the character of the famous hit prima donna ... "... And they fill the break with me ..." request
      1. +2
        6 February 2013 21: 10
        I support you with two hands, comrades Karabin and the military !!! drinks
  26. 0
    6 February 2013 21: 47
    eh, he says well. He would have imagined what was going on at most enterprises. The same grabbers and mediocre helmsmen who do not know the fairway, as in the 90s, are trying to fill their pockets in directorates. There are no designers or turners at the plants. , some pensioners, and it’s not about money, because money is not motivation, there is no value system that was in the USSR. Look at our power, many can be attracted for treason, and they are like cheese in oil. when people don’t understand what he’s working for. and Rogozin, well done. a flag in his hands. I believe in him, well, at least in him.
  27. +2
    6 February 2013 22: 13
    The head of Rusnano, Anatoly Chubais, was elected to the board of directors of Tri Alpha Energy, an American thermonuclear technology developer.

    As expected, the new and highly paid place of the former "main voucher" of Russia was given to him not as a sinecure for past "privatization" and "energy" services to American "counterparties", but as a gratitude for the achievements of domestic scientists and technologists transferred to the USA in the field of controlled thermonuclear fusion, which the “Chubais team” received thanks to the Rosnano sign and in cooperation with Rosatom, headed by Sergei Kirienko, a faithful ally of Chubais ...

    Agent reports
    Security Services "Day"
    1. wax
      0
      7 February 2013 01: 33
      Colleagues, but not about controlled thermonuclear fusion. Everything is open there and there is a powerful international cooperation. The installation is being built in France. There is our participation there. Kurchatov in his time declassified these works, because I understood that it was up to years and years to decide the matter, and no one could solve it alone. Amer then gasped at such openness. Kurchatov. Head. And here is Chubais. Yes, he only carry boxes from under Xerox. Or maybe he will be helped at all to hit the ocean completely. It would be great. There Dostoevsky will not spoil his nerves there. He will be fine, since he is so red, and we will be better.
  28. 0
    6 February 2013 22: 26
    Quote: Garrin
    Dear colleagues!
    Once again I try to bring my thought. Now they are trying to introduce into production the achievements of scientists, engineers, designers who were created in the mid 70s and late 80s of the last century. I would like to see the development of 2013. Only in this way we will survive.


    then create a time machine :)

    The year of the current has begun, and you already have to submit the development of 2013, it is quite difficult to develop military equipment, and sometimes for a long time
  29. +1
    6 February 2013 22: 31
    So I liked this site, the comments of the actual military, it was interesting not so much the article, but the opinion of competent people ... And here got the hassle, insults, hatred of each other for any nonsense. How tired of Russian dislike for each other!


    Otto von Bismarck


    “Never plot anything against Russia - they will find their stupidity for any of our tricks.
    It is impossible to defeat the Slavs, we have seen this for hundreds of years.
    This is an indestructible state of the Russian nation, strong in its climate, its spaces and limited needs.
    Even the most favorable outcome of an open war will never lead to the decomposition of the main power of Russia, which is based on millions of actually Russian ...

    But the Slavs can instill false, low values, and then they will defeat themselves. ”

    Bismarck.
  30. Serdykov
    0
    6 February 2013 23: 41
    Right.
  31. 0
    7 February 2013 00: 14
    I believe that the issue of financing MO requests should be resolved in the Duma, previously cleared of athletes and show figures. The defense industry in general and Rogozin in particular are able to digest the entire budget, if given the opportunity.
    Meanwhile, the motorway is still in no condition. Although the Army needs them too. The construction of communications and energy are the locomotive of the entire economy and the defense industry, including
    1. wax
      0
      7 February 2013 01: 44
      Locomotives are different. Roads and energy are the locomotives for attracting investment. But the locomotive of an economy developing in the future needs innovative developments based on the achievements of science. Today, the state cannot get in and out of the private sector. And the defense industry is all funded by the state and, by definition, should be based on the latest technical and technological achievements. So there is no other locomotive for industry (in the broad sense of the word, that is, materials, engineering, aviation, ships, energy, surveillance, control, space, communications, and the whole spectrum), except for the defense industry, we have today no.
  32. nickname 1 and 2
    0
    7 February 2013 22: 32
    Posted by Dmitry Rogozin !, thanks!

    Thank you for your good thoughts! Intelligent people did not transfer to Russia!

    If I knew where my electronic engineer’s experience came in handy, I would go, I would pass on the experience to the young! Even without a salary! because I'm 67 years old. Tolerance -2 had.

    In! as! Why do I need it? And I remember in the 70s one good specialist worked at a reputable enterprise and he was 78 years old.

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