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Finland and Sweden: who will last more than a week against Russia?

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Last year I already reviewed the funny topic of comparing two armies - Estonian and Latvian. They say: the one who laughs last is laughing well, and in Tallinn they were convinced of the correctness of this saying. Bragging about their own invincible army to the Latvians, whose Armed Forces only seemed to be safeguarding the carts, the Estonians suddenly discovered that they had no money for this most vaunted army. And recently it turned out that the blessings live not only in Tallinn. On the dubious path of the Baltic republics, who risked last year to publicly compare their armed forces, now the Finns and Swedes have gone. These peoples once again found that Russia is about to attack them, and figured out how many heroic Finns will hold out against the Russians, and how many valiant Swedes will stand. And the Finns hinted that in the event of the bloodthirsty Russian bears going to the enviable foreign lands, their troops would be able to win eight or nine days, while the relaxed Swedes would jerk exactly one week later.


I. With humor

Not so long ago, I wrote to VO about how Estonia and Latvia measured themselves ... uh ... armies: which is more powerful, which is richer, which is more militant, which, finally, is more both in number and skill. In their bragging, the Estonians reached the point that with contempt “sentenced” the Latvians to guard the convoys in the rear. Then it turned out that a large percentage of Tallinn spending on weapons and troops was a bluff. There is no money in the Estonian budget for a strong army. No, and never will be. The debate over the power of the armies ended with the fact that both Baltic republics (at the suggestion of the Latvians) started talking about brotherhood. And now, in order to boost morale among the fraternal microscopic troops (three tank in two countries), the army political instructors and civil propagandists have to scare the soldiers with the black plans of the neighboring tyrants - Putin and Lukashenko, not forgetting to praise the heroic SS past buried by the "invaders" in the ground at forty-fifth.

In early January, 2013, the defense ministers of Finland and Sweden set about the attack on “Whose army is stronger”. True, these guys are not quarreling, but, having measured by pips defenses, bowed to the defense alliance. However, nothing they did not work.

Karl Haglund, Minister of Defense of Finland


On January 8, rumors were leaked to the press that Karl Haglund, the Finnish Minister of Defense, spoke about what would happen if a military conflict began. And then he explained: his home country will be able to defend itself without foreign assistance longer than neighboring Sweden.

As it turned out, they were not rumors, but true truth. The minister was interviewed by the newspaper Helsingin Sanomat, in which сказал:

"Finland has not weakened its defense capabilities to such an extent as Sweden."


Along the way, it turned out that the words of the Minister of Defense did not arise from scratch. Mr Haglund commented on the statements of the Swedish colleague Sverker Goranson. He, with Swedish frankness, had previously told the press that Sweden would be able to confront the interventionist enemies for just one week, and then she would need external assistance.

It is curious that the Finnish minister did not specify how long his long-suffering homeland can hold out, struggling with the invaders. According to the assumptions of other anonymous analysts who cited even more anonymous sources, no more than eight or nine days. On the tenth day of the Swedish army will remain even less than the second day of the war with the Russians will remain from the Latvian army. Or Estonian, who likes what more.

To the credit of Mr. Haglund, he declared that an unexpected attack on his country was highly unlikely.

And then the solo voice of the Minister of Defense gained chamber support. The duo of Haglundu was composed by Jussi Niinistö, chairman of the parliamentary commission on state defense. He noted peppering singing Finnish speech with numbers:

“Finland will be able to withstand much longer than Sweden, if only because we have a large army of reservists. Sweden has only a paid army of thousands of people in 50 ”.




There is, of course, a grain of truth in Mr. Niinistö’s words. Nine days is much more than seven. But why fraternal Sweden got so bad? Niinistö knows what's wrong:

“Sweden has long weakened national defense with its reforms in this area, and their consequences are terrifying. This discussion is still to come. ”


The duo turned into a trio, and an unexpected dissonance sounded. Alpo Yontunen, a professor at the Finnish High School of State Defense in the newspaper Ilta-Sanomat, said that the forces of certain parts of Finland could run out in a matter of hours. What are the days there!

Niinistö this professor quail:

“Jontunen's script is strange. None of us can imagine that Finland will enter into conflict only with Russia. This could certainly be part of a larger conflict. ”


Here it is. What is Russia, when the Finns are going to fight not less than half the world! Although, probably, Niinistö was referring to Russia and Belarus, yearning for the times of the USSR and for free spaces. Of course, comrades Lukashenko and Putin, planning to use the Skype against Finland and possibly Sweden in the evenings, not only remember the past glorious days, the KGB, the Cold War and the Iron Curtain, but also dream of the Finnish Soviet Socialist Republic ( FSSR). With Sweden, everything is much simpler: she will not resist for longer than a week.

Conversations of Finns with the Swedes led to the fact that the ministers of defense of both countries decided: it is time to build a common defense policy. The initiative came from the valiant Swedes. No wonder: the weaker usually take care of common interests.

Dmitry Semushin, European commentator IA "REGNUM", analyzed an article from 13 in January 2013 entitled “Defense may require joint ownership of military technology in the North”, published in “Dagens Nyheter”. The article appears to contain clauses included in a government report on Swedish foreign and security policy. Anyway, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Sweden, Carl Bildt, and the Minister of Defense, Karin Enström, set forth their vision of a common defense policy of the Nordic countries, including the Scandinavian states and fraternal Finland. All these states need to unite efforts in the field of foreign policy, national security and defense.

In this article, the Swedish ministers explicitly stated:

“We will intensify our efforts in the Arctic Council. At the same time, Sweden now also assumes the chairmanship of the Nordic Council of Ministers, and also participates in the informal foreign policy cooperation of the Nordic and Baltic countries ... Our goal is to further develop cooperation based on proposals for cooperation in security and foreign policy, which were presented in the so-called Stoltenberg report in 2009. ”


The two ministers proposed nothing more, and a kind of defense communism. Joint ownership of military resources, technologies and equipment is the cornerstone of the northern defense project. Dmitry Semushin believes that the Swedish military-industrial complex, which is interested in expanding orders and uniting defense enterprises and laboratories of other Scandinavian countries and Finland under its leadership, is behind such a proposal.

We can add to this that while the Finns and Scandinavians are engaged in building up their armed forces, both in number and skill, the wise Swedes, who still doubt their military resilience (remember: no more than a week), will earn money. That is, against the background of the military communism proposed by them, they will live completely capitalistically. And, in which case, the Norwegian brothers or the Finns will protect them from aggressive toothy Russians.

As for the Russians mentioned, this is again not a rumor.

Swedish ministers were not ashamed to hint at Russia, calling it the main adversary in the Arctic region of the northern countries:

“Sweden is interested in strengthening the values ​​that we associate with a modern democratic society. It is about human rights, freedom and the rule of law. In cooperation with our northern friends, we can have a greater influence on our shared values. ”


It is known that disadvantaged “values”, affected “human rights” and lost “rule of law” are all synonymous with “non-democratic Russia”. Therefore, the phrase sounds extremely suspicious: "In cooperation with our northern friends, we can have a greater influence on our common values." Personally, I am confused by the possessive pronoun. From what fright is it - “ours”, that is yours?

Comrade Semushin leads and reaction to the Swedish statement of the Finnish side, which, incidentally, followed instantly. On the same day, the Minister of Defense of Finland, Karl Haglund, gave an interview to the Finnish portal of the TV channel “Yle”. He declared:

“Of course, in practice this means that we should have some kind of defense agreement with Sweden, since we are talking about the most important potential, for example, in the naval navy or the air force. ”


Then he started talking about a state agreement or even a defense alliance. The Finnish Minister of Defense highlighted the problem here: “the main issue of the principle”, because this kind of cooperation should not involve the northern member countries of NATO. But this is Norway, Denmark and Iceland, and Sweden and Finland just should and can. Only political will is needed!

Apparently, not realizing that the Swedes are going to take Finland into industrial vise and thereby overcome the difficulties of the economic crisis, Haglund enthusiastically continued to give interviews to the media.

15 January in the morning program of the same channel, he said that he hopes to receive from his Swedish counterpart additional information about the proposed cooperation.

Other Finns went on the air. Skype and telephone in Finland are probably not very developed, and the ministers have to communicate with their foreign counterparts on television.

The Finnish Foreign Minister, Erkki Tuomioja, appeared on Finnish television. This person also believes in Swedish military communism and is ready to talk on the invigorating topic of joint ownership of technologies and their joint application. Moreover, the Minister believes that many common measures have already been implemented by Finland and Sweden: joint military exercises and military training, common procurement, cooperation in the field of crisis management and patrolling.

The enthusiasm of his subordinates was suddenly cooled by Prime Minister Jyrki Katainen. In his opinion, there is no point in raising the issue of creating a defense alliance between Finland and Sweden - neither today nor in the future. Another thing is the need to develop cooperation between the two countries in the field of the acquisition of military technologies.

Do not keep silent and the president of Finland - Sauli Niinistyo. On January 16, during a visit to Lappeenranta, he completely rejected any talk about the defense alliance of Finland and Sweden. Niinistö came to the point that he said: the Swedes, they say, did not offer anything of the kind.

An Estonian suddenly got into the discussion between the Finns and the Swedes.

Urmas Paet, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Estonia, at a seminar on defense and security policy in Sweden in Salen on January 14 expressed the opinion that Finland and Sweden should join NATO. Sweden made a "promise of solidarity", and therefore is obliged, in the event of an attack, to provide assistance to EU countries and northern countries. Paet explained that he trusts this commitment of Sweden only on 99,9%. But if Sweden were a member of NATO, then the level of trust would rise to a round number.

In general, Paet’s understanding is not surprising: guaranteed northern defenders would not have prevented Estonia with its melting military budget (as well as “depot” of Latvia). The Russian-Belarusian threat is no joke.

Ii. Seriously

An analysis of the possibility of concluding any defense "pact" between the Finns and the Swedes was recently conducted on the resource Nordic Intel. Here, among other things, we are talking about the so-called "information operations" (IO), divided into strategic and tactical (or operational). The unnamed author of the material clarifies that the strategy includes coordinating and synchronizing the policy of the Oncological Institute, procedures and other efforts aimed at achieving international influence in order to achieve certain national goals.

For example, one of Finland’s strategic objectives in the field of IO may be to facilitate the participation of this country in multilateral defense cooperation within the framework of NORDEFCO (Nordic Defense Cooperation, Northern Defense Cooperation).

Finland and Sweden: who will last more than a week against Russia?


Once the goal is defined and approved, each of the foreign ambassadors and military attaches, politicians and bureaucrats, speakers and all others, having mastered the tasks and intentions, raises those topics and publishes those messages that would be directed to the effectiveness of the adopted program. Here it is important, the author clarifies that it is important to assimilate what is to be said in order to achieve the goal, so as not to undermine the effectiveness and distort previous informational messages.

However, the author believes that the described systematic approach is either absent in the Finnish government, or key ministers are not able to give it due attention in their information strategy.

The main reason for the shortcomings of the Finnish policy of “information operations” is the coalition government. On the one hand, we, the author writes, have a consensus necessary for effective management, achieve moderation, avoiding the “left” or “right” extremes, promote awareness and, it is believed, can provide political solutions for the sake of long-term stability when one government changes (it is assumed that the other will continue the policy of the previous one). Indeed, in countries with a strong bipartisan political system (for example, in Australia or the USA), where each new government often “overthrows” the policies of the previous administration, society, on the contrary, becomes increasingly vulnerable: political and social polarization occurs.

The coalition of the government, however, also has its drawbacks: the tendency to consult and discuss issues to infinity, indecision, fraught with lost opportunities. In addition, ministers, often representing different political parties, are not necessarily effective in communicating. All this explains the recent failures of Finland in providing clear, clear and consistent messages addressed to external stakeholders, including the EU and its Nordic partners.

The author writes that in order to reach a consensus on the national goals of the Oncological Institute, to establish a clear delineation of responsibilities and links between strategically important initiatives and concepts, a question should be asked on how to ensure compliance with the agreed topics and messages. If the President and the Prime Minister cannot condemn or otherwise hold their line among the ministers, then other possibilities should be explored to increase their responsibility.

Turning to examples of failures of information operations, the analyst identifies as failures of the Finnish ministers: the lack of communication with national leaders and relevant ministries, i.e., the inability to coordinate and synchronize all national AI efforts; the use of terminology, which, depending on the interpretation, can have a very specific meaning and consequences that do not necessarily coincide with the established policies and objectives of the Oncological Institute (lack of understanding of what is needed and what is not necessary to say); making statements that are then disputed by other members of the government (inability to ensure clarity and consistency of all the topics and messages).

The author believes that ministers should be held accountable. They should explain the reason for bad communication between ministries, find out why their position contrasts with the position of their colleagues, explain the points of divergence and justify the expediency of statements that are clearly coordinated with official policy.

As one example, the analyst cites the very “defense pact” between Finland and Sweden, which was launched on January 13.

Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt and Defense Minister Karin Enström in a newspaper article argued that the Arctic and the northern regions, along with the Baltic Sea, are becoming increasingly important from two points of view: economy and security. Therefore, in the future, the Nordic countries should strengthen defense cooperation - to combine and share military equipment.

Minister of Defense of Sweden Karin Enström


Probably, Sweden, motivated by budgetary restrictions and the lack of popular support for the country's accession to NATO, wishes further development of military cooperation with partners from the Nordic countries in order to ensure collective security and at the same time cover the lack of internal capabilities.

But who threatens Sweden? The analyst writes that the only significant military threat to this country is Russia, which also threatens other Scandinavian countries. It is considered a threat in part because of the historical legacy and suspicion (Finland), tensions between Moscow and the US / NATO (Denmark, Norway and, to a certain extent, Iceland - as members of NATO). We can also talk about the growing importance of resources, in particular, access to oil and natural gas in the Arctic (Norway’s claims in the Barents Sea) and the sea routes in the Baltic Sea. Other factors of “threats” include Russia's border proximity with Finland and Norway, Moscow’s increase in military spending and aggressive rhetoric, which includes recent attacks on Finland (in 2012, for cooperation with NATO) and Norway (in the current year - on NATO and missile defense). This, the author believes, of course, must be taken into account in the defense plans of the northern countries.

The Swedish military, the analyst recalls, argue that Sweden can only defend itself within one week. Speaking about the defense of Sweden, they first of all think about the Russian attack. Therefore, the comments of Bildt and Enström seem to have been made under the influence of the statements made by the Supreme Commander of the Swedish Armed Forces, General Sverker Goranson, who reported on a week. And then there's NATO Secretary General Anders Rasmussen, the Dane, recently reminded Sweden that she cannot count on NATO support without being a member of the alliance.



In fact, the author writes, it is extremely unlikely that someone will attack Sweden. Is that a wider conflict will occur. But here, given its participation in NATO programs, Sweden can quickly integrate into the operations of the alliance, even without being a member of the organization. An example of this is already there: participation in the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan.

Following the “week” voiced by the Swedes, Finnish Defense Minister Karl Haglund entered the geopolitical arena. He supported the proposal of Bildt and Enström and even agreed to a military alliance between Sweden and Finland. And this proposal (rather surprising, the analyst notes) was clearly not approved by the Prime Minister and refuted by the President of Finland.

The reason why Haglund publicly made such an important statement that could have strategic implications, without prior consultation with the Minister for Foreign Affairs of Finland Erkki Tuomioja, Prime Minister Katainen and President Niinistö, is not known. Fame would save the governments of the two countries from confusion and awkwardness.

At the end of an extensive article, the analyst concludes that Finland and Sweden are unlikely to enter into a formal military alliance and “socialize” military equipment. Of course, the defense cooperation of the northern states remains important for each country, especially for those who do not participate in NATO. But we are talking only about the interaction. Combining the technical component of the two armies is, according to the author, easier said than done. Even for brigades, he writes, many problems arise when combining vehicles, not to mention the national armies. An analyst casually criticizes "Sweden's dependence on the homegrown defense industry," despite the fact that Finland has among the suppliers and the United States. How to prioritize access to technology? What to do when a military conflict with the equipment - and what to do in peace? Breakdown, repairs, drills, ammunition costs? Who will be responsible for what? In addition, it is necessary to decide the question of what to do, say, Sweden, if Finland enters into a war that Sweden does not support.

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In conclusion, it should be noted that the northern fears of Russia today are additionally materializing in the form of "Mistral". On a resource "The Lithuania Tribune" It is reported that for Finland and Sweden, interest in the defense cooperation of the northern defense countries largely depends on the changes in the balance of forces and in the Baltic Sea region. Russia is accelerating the pace of modernization of the armed forces and takes a "assertive" position in relation to the former Soviet satellite states in Eastern Europe. Meanwhile, the budget defense funds of the Swedes and the Finns are very limited. Russia is strengthening its Baltic fleet by acquiring several modern Mistral class ships from France. These ships are designed for airborne and maritime assault forces, and the first of them should be delivered in 2014 year. The Mistrals will give Russia the opportunity to influence the weak defense of the Baltic states: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, which will make the strategic isolation of these states more acute. Sweden and Finland should also think about supporting their defense ...

Thus, the northern countries, Finland, and with them for the company and the Baltic states, panic from the same Russian military threat invented by them. Here you have the desire of the Russians to revive the USSR by joining Sweden with Finland (not to mention Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia), and the terrible French Mistrals, andhistorical heritage ”(concerns Russia and Finland), and discord between Moscow, Washington and NATO. Finally, the Russians want to capture the Arctic and monopolize the sea routes in the Baltic Sea. Moscow is increasing military spending and using aggressive rhetoric: it threatens defenseless Finland and even Norway. These two countries, by the way, border Russia, which means that Russian pedestrian and horse intervention can be expected at any moment. As for Sweden, then, as the Swedes themselves noted, their defense will last only a week.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. shtabs
    shtabs 6 February 2013 07: 30 New
    0
    and suddenly aliens, and we didn’t even stock up on potatoes ..
  2. Krsk
    Krsk 6 February 2013 07: 35 New
    38
    And what in Finland smoke forbidden?
    1. 450096
      450096 6 February 2013 10: 18 New
      41
      It just doesn’t even reach some that we have enough of our own land, and their miserable gardens are unnecessary for us. Another conversation, if anyone gets to us ... But how it usually ends they still remember well.
      1. knn54
        knn54 6 February 2013 13: 03 New
        21
        They are thinking about the Arctic shelf ...
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 6 February 2013 15: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: knn54
          They are thinking about the Arctic shelf ...
          In this matter, Norway and Canada are skidding more.
          1. ozs
            ozs 7 February 2013 02: 03 New
            +5
            Our power has already given part of the Barents Sea to the Norwegians. So we are waiting for further concessions on the shelf. However, like all foreign policy, we say one thing and do another. Chinese Damansky, Norwegians Barents Sea, etc.
            We are going the right way .....
          2. Lucky
            Lucky 9 February 2013 00: 56 New
            0
            Finns also grind a tooth on our territory, we need to conduct more exercises in Karelia, so that they were not at all calm))
            1. vitya29111973
              vitya29111973 19 March 2013 15: 56 New
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              What exercises in Karelia, there are no troops there anyway. Some border guards. And so they will run to surrender to Finland. wassat
        2. vitya29111973
          vitya29111973 19 March 2013 15: 53 New
          0
          And they are on the Arctic shelf. They have no way out in the Arctic, unless Norway is conquered. Geography seventh class 1.
      2. Shoma-1970
        Shoma-1970 11 February 2013 15: 40 New
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        You think they don’t know that, with their spaces, we don’t know what to do. The US military-industrial complex will go bankrupt if you do not aim at anyone. Russia was chosen because Russia will primarily care about defense capability, because the USA and some EU countries lick their lips seeing half the world on the map, one Russia occupies. Fortunately, until 2020, 750 billion dollars will be spent on the purchase of weapons.
    2. vyatom
      vyatom 6 February 2013 10: 34 New
      +9
      That would pit all these p .. races. And to make bets, who will soak faster than anyone. Chukhtsev Swedes or Estonian brakes of idiots Labs.
    3. terp 50
      terp 50 6 February 2013 10: 42 New
      +4
      hemp, craig, well ... dung ... in a word, on - an amateur ...
    4. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 6 February 2013 11: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: KrSk
      And what in Finland smoke forbidden?


      Take it finely, it’s weedy and doesn’t smell .... only hard drugs laughing Otherwise, such opuses will not be able to be born.
      1. Dilshat
        Dilshat 7 February 2013 00: 24 New
        0
        they prefer fire liquids more.
    5. Zynaps
      Zynaps 6 February 2013 15: 50 New
      +6
      it’s not that they smoke, but the Finns in life are clinical Russophobes (sobsna, the Finns even completely close Ingermanlanders hold for complete), as do the Poles. unfortunately, the time of soft sovietization and economic snapping of Finland has sunk into oblivion, and they again have long-standing manners. in Finland, an organization to return back to Karelia is functioning quite legally, these constant scandals involving the sharing of children (taking the child in the trunk of a Finnish diplomatic car in the days of the USSR, the Finns would not have climbed to the fifth point - not even in the head). Well, some official figures from Russia, erecting monuments to Hitler’s henchman Mannerheim and bringing him the same wreaths, also do not contribute to the elimination of historical vindictiveness.
      1. ozs
        ozs 7 February 2013 02: 11 New
        0
        Well, for the Molotov-rebentrop pact, Russia repents before the Poles, following the logic of our authorities, we will soon begin to repent of the Winter War. And there you look and come up with something like Katyn and all the Finns will demand from Karelia.

        Of course, you can laugh at the armies of Finns, Balts, etc. as much as you like, but until all kinds of furniture makers find the arm of the army, then Russia will continue to buy unnecessary Mistrals, drones with bookmarks, Italian cars not adapted for our winters, etc. ., and they will periodically dip us into milking.
        1. kostyan77708
          kostyan77708 7 February 2013 10: 35 New
          0
          is no longer at the helm, he soon I hope will be in a completely different not so remote place, the thing is
        2. Dima67
          Dima67 7 February 2013 13: 24 New
          0
          For the Molotov-Rebentrop Pact, let the Poles kiss the gums of the English.
    6. Cheloveck
      Cheloveck 6 February 2013 19: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: KrSk
      And what in Finland smoke forbidden?

      Christmas trees, probably ... laughing
    7. APASUS
      APASUS 6 February 2013 21: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: KrSk
      And what in Finland smoke forbidden?

      Why should they smoke? they just don’t come out of a corkscrew !!
      He himself read in the press how THEY write about themselves:
      NATION OF GENETIC ALCOHOLS
    8. vikontas56
      vikontas56 6 February 2013 23: 09 New
      +2
      A byproduct of civilization - idiots with higher education! And as you know, if a person is sad, but tolerant, but when an idiot takes office, this is a natural disaster! What are we observing!
    9. timurpl
      timurpl 6 February 2013 23: 46 New
      +1
      Cool photo-3.5 tanks and 2 bridges ...
      -Sure! more than a week will stretch !!! lol
      1. kostyan77708
        kostyan77708 7 February 2013 10: 36 New
        -1
        by the way and who knows whose is the valiant army in the photo?
      2. Lucky
        Lucky 9 February 2013 00: 59 New
        -1
        what week after the first art. preparation surrender smarch treat teretori and that's it, the war is over!)
      3. POBEDA
        POBEDA 24 July 2013 00: 43 New
        0
        9 old leopards, 1 t64 like, 9 bmp, 2 bridge layers and the Urals with kung! What is this gang formation?
    10. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 7 February 2013 18: 36 New
      +3
      Russia is coming

    11. Shoma-1970
      Shoma-1970 11 February 2013 15: 31 New
      +1
      have thought over! wink
    12. vitya29111973
      vitya29111973 19 March 2013 16: 06 New
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      but what about the history school stopped teaching about the Northern and Finnish war.
  3. Vanek
    Vanek 6 February 2013 07: 36 New
    16
    And a little more humor:

    A drawing is a hedgehog from the underworld. laughing am

    Citizens! Have a conscience - smile smile smile
  4. dark_65
    dark_65 6 February 2013 07: 58 New
    +2
    How can they not get the hell out of it, they already take envy, some kind of thing will never occur ..
    1. PDM80
      PDM80 6 February 2013 08: 21 New
      +4
      In general, something incomprehensible is happening in Europe. They have the same kind of NATO, they are all in it request On a fig one more block to do? Or the Germans, French and British said if we don’t need you in FIG wassat And ours are in Finland, and since I understand almost how they go to their homes.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 6 February 2013 10: 28 New
        +8
        Quote: PDM80
        And ours are in Finland, and since I understand almost how they go to their homes.

        Well, how much can you? Maybe attach and don’t give away? And then in the 40s they came, they went, again they came, they went ...
        1. pinachet
          pinachet 6 February 2013 13: 36 New
          +2
          In Finland, for a long time now, rubles have been accepted from our stores ...
          1. mihai_md2003
            mihai_md2003 6 February 2013 17: 54 New
            0
            Of course I would like to, but so far they are only accepted in a few large supermarkets.
            1. YuDDP
              YuDDP 6 February 2013 21: 00 New
              +1
              Last year, the budget of Finland received 1.5 billion euros from Russian buyers.
            2. Shoma-1970
              Shoma-1970 11 February 2013 15: 46 New
              0
              this is not enough !!!! main trend!
          2. kostyan77708
            kostyan77708 7 February 2013 10: 37 New
            -1
            it remains only to elect his president there))
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 6 February 2013 10: 43 New
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        Quote: PDM80
        They have the same kind of NATO, they are all in it


        On the map blue - NATO members (USA, Canada did not get on the map), "blue"- Participants of the Membership Action Plan (Macedonia, Montenegro and Bosnia). "green- participants Accelerated dialogue (not to be confused with stoned dialogue to which Finns and other different Swedes can be attributed). Since 2005-06, Ukraine and Georgia have been in an accelerated dialogue. "Yellow" - participants Individual affiliate plan (Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Moldova)
        Well "orange" countries participating in the program "Partnership for Peace".. This is a NATO military cooperation program with non-alliance countries. 22 countries are participating, including Russia.
        Well, with regards to the "war" with the Finns or Swedes, then for some reason I recall the case when, being in St. Petersburg, we somehow got involved with them in a restaurant about who would drink more and would not fall longer ... It must be admitted - not "fighters" these Finns are against us turned out, although they drink like hell ..
        Profanity clip therefore
        link
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 6 February 2013 14: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          Roller


          From whom, from whom. But it is from you, we did not expect this. smile

          Stanislas hi
          1. PDM80
            PDM80 6 February 2013 15: 03 New
            0
            Super Roller laughing good
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 6 February 2013 15: 59 New
            15
            Vanek,

            Rude and not European, but directly and intelligibly
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 6 February 2013 17: 33 New
              +1
              They don’t understand otherwise. good
        2. bistrov.
          bistrov. 6 February 2013 17: 23 New
          -2
          Ha ha ha ... Thanks, laughed!
        3. Lone gunman
          Lone gunman 6 February 2013 18: 08 New
          -2
          class, super megahit)))
  5. zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 6 February 2013 08: 03 New
    +8
    Well, the dates are partly right - they really have to catch their army in the forests for a week. But about 50 thousand reservists is too cool - even with the coolest training and super fast collection, any reserve part will not get on wheels (in their case, skiing) before three days. Only with who will give them more than a day with their territory and air defense system? Well, maybe if the Tajiks attack them. Yes, the Finns are far from being the ranger of the MAnerheim
    1. vyatom
      vyatom 6 February 2013 10: 36 New
      -1
      Quote: zadorin1974
      Well, the dates are partly right - they really have to catch their army in the forests for a week. But about 50 thousand reservists is too cool - even with the coolest training and super fast collection, any reserve part will not get on wheels (in their case, skiing) before three days. Only with who will give them more than a day? communication)

      These creatures should not be caught, but burned with napalm along with chemical weapons.
      1. terp 50
        terp 50 6 February 2013 10: 47 New
        0
        ...something like this?
    2. omsbon
      omsbon 6 February 2013 23: 43 New
      +2
      I want to announce military secrets.
      In order to occupy Finland in a day, it must be announced that dutifri at the border works without charge and EVERYTHING!
    3. old rocket man
      old rocket man 7 February 2013 00: 18 New
      +4
      zadorin1974,
      Quote: zadorin1974
      .Yes Vobschy and the Finns are far from the ranger of MAnerheim

      Well, huntsmen, not huntsmen, but Finns are the most battle-worthy and stubborn nation of all the Scandinavians and blood, they can spoil and drink a lot. And given that every Finn (with the exception of the city) has a rifle that they do not speak poorly, he and it’s not necessary to gather an army. Of course, we will crush them and crush them quickly, but there will be no easy walk, nor will a calm occupation.
      By the way, the mobilization readiness of the reservists is very high, their weapons and equipment are stored at home and they are painted in parts, up to a platoon, where they are obliged
  6. donchepano
    donchepano 6 February 2013 08: 05 New
    0
    Solid shadow on the wattle fence
  7. bap063
    bap063 6 February 2013 08: 08 New
    +1
    If you look carefully at everything everywhere with them, if it were as if it was actually presented, would America have unleashed a war with us a long time ago?
    But fear (stronger), and is it clear to them all about the army and about financing, and in general? as the saying goes and you want and pricks and the mother does not order.
  8. alkach555
    alkach555 6 February 2013 08: 11 New
    +8
    Reading between the lines, it becomes clear that they are asking for defense money you know who
    1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 7 February 2013 00: 02 New
      -1
      This is most true
    2. Simon
      Simon 7 February 2013 12: 58 New
      -1
      And that they don’t think that the money that they have begged for needs to be worked out or sacrificed for something. For example, they will receive the best democracy in the world.
  9. Denis_SF
    Denis_SF 6 February 2013 08: 17 New
    +7
    These nations once again discovered that Russia was about to attack them

    One question - but who the hell do you need that for? Korchats do not understand anyone, although in reality they don’t represent anything, so, get some kind of fuss ..
  10. albert
    albert 6 February 2013 08: 20 New
    +1
    I wonder why these neutral countries were suddenly so scared? Are they really so afraid of us? Or ... rushing to share the skin of an unkilled bear?
    1. Shoma-1970
      Shoma-1970 11 February 2013 16: 00 New
      0
      foreign Baltic states, jackal countries and sometimes skinny, skinny, they think that we are sourly biting on an older neighbor, then "uncle" will stroke this, he will allow to sit down near the fire, Sam has leukemia, goes out from the inside, he is not up to some hyenas himself worth it, so the jackals have long been undead, regret that the elders barked, there is no one to stroke, warm. The world is small! the circle will close! Although as good people are accepted, it's already a little sorry lol
  11. Krsk
    Krsk 6 February 2013 08: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: albert
    Or ... hurry to share the skin of an unkilled bear


    This is their old Finnish fun: Mouse fuss. And they can share ears from the mouse.
  12. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 6 February 2013 08: 30 New
    16
    funny)))) they need to drink antidepressants in batches)))))) paranoid!)))) they are not able to protect - but like when there was the USSR - they could resist it! ??? a wider conflict - so why attack - they threw a couple of high-explosive land mines and swam for half-life laughing straight Dostoevsky remembered, very relevant - IDIOTs lol
    1. alex popov
      alex popov 6 February 2013 10: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Dart Weyder
      threw a couple of landmines and swam for half-life laughing

      laughing
      you are angry. wink
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 7 February 2013 00: 00 New
        -1
        They are not only evil but also stupid ...
      2. Shoma-1970
        Shoma-1970 11 February 2013 16: 04 New
        0
        You that Americans put in the profile picture ?????? negative
  13. zambo
    zambo 6 February 2013 08: 32 New
    14
    Again, dwarf countries demonstrate their Freudian complexes.
    1. Kubanets
      Kubanets 6 February 2013 11: 12 New
      +9
      It seems to me that all this fuss of political dwarfs is conceived with a distant eye. Namely, with the upcoming division of the Russian Arctic shelf in their view. In the current world order, the prospect is not so illusory. They will create some kind of international arbitration court and decide that it is not fair for Russia to have such vast spaces, including the shelf. Old Albright on this subject was no longer unequivocally expressed. And in order to moderate the appetite of the thirsty, it is necessary to increase the military component in the Arctic.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 6 February 2013 11: 18 New
        +3
        And in order to moderate the appetite of the thirsty, it is necessary to increase the military component in the Arctic.

        But this is just now being actively engaged in. Have you not heard that a lot of exercises are conducted in polar conditions? There are new developments of machines, weapons. In general, their appetites are certainly understandable, but there is something to moderate.
      2. mamba
        mamba 7 February 2013 10: 12 New
        -1
        Quote: Kubanets
        They will create some kind of international arbitration court and decide that it is not fair for Russia to have such vast spaces, including the shelf.

        Can be made simpler, similar to the American precedent with Jewish books. A village court in Sweden or Finland makes this decision and awards Russia daily fines of one billion dollars until it frees up these spaces and shares its resources. laughing And what? Amers can, but Finns and Swedes can not? wassat
        1. Shoma-1970
          Shoma-1970 13 February 2013 02: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Mamba

          Can be made simpler, similar to the American precedent with Jewish books. A village court in Sweden or Finland makes this decision and awards Russia daily fines of one billion dollars until it frees up these spaces and shares its resources. And what? Amers can, but Finns and Swedes can not?


          It seems that you are very wrong! And that amers took something from us? or did we once concede to them in something?
  14. Hammer
    Hammer 6 February 2013 08: 32 New
    +6
    the smaller the mongrel the more stupid! They bark, they are not so scared when they are little under their yapping .... real wolfhounds quietly bite their fangs before a throw. ))))))))))))))))))))
    1. Dima67
      Dima67 7 February 2013 13: 35 New
      -1
      And isho. The dog barks, the caravan goes on.
      1. Shoma-1970
        Shoma-1970 13 February 2013 02: 13 New
        0
        dogs yes, but not wolfhounds!
  15. Klimov
    Klimov 6 February 2013 08: 37 New
    +2
    It seems to me a week and nine days - this is clearly too much. Three hours would have lasted, that would be a feat. Two countries - for a couple of hours of our army, they really won’t even have time to show resistance.
  16. Son
    Son 6 February 2013 08: 41 New
    +7
    It seems to me that there is no need to make jokes ... Key phrase: “We will intensify our efforts in the Arctic Council ...” And, to her, babbling about weakness, “mouse” fuss, etc.
    1. Krsk
      Krsk 6 February 2013 08: 51 New
      0
      The fact of the matter is that the growing importance of a resurgent Russia may allow these countries to become "active" in the Arctic Union, but "activation" for the sake of "activation" and no more ... True rivals will not so easily reveal their intentions
      1. Son
        Son 6 February 2013 08: 56 New
        +1
        I agree, these are not "true" ones ... But those who are "attached" to this case also want to have their own interest ...
        1. Krsk
          Krsk 6 February 2013 08: 58 New
          +2
          but the opposite will turn out, interest will have them ...
          1. Son
            Son 6 February 2013 09: 05 New
            -1
            I hope ...
            1. Krsk
              Krsk 6 February 2013 12: 53 New
              0
              And then the turn will reach the "true" ones, especially since it is chichas fashionable there ...
    2. alex popov
      alex popov 6 February 2013 10: 29 New
      -1
      Quote: Son
      Key phrase: - "We will intensify our efforts in the Arctic Council ..."

      Or, alternatively, a subtle hint of increased appropriations in favor of the army. "Look how much the Pentagon is mastering. And we want a little bit.")
  17. sergeybulkin
    sergeybulkin 6 February 2013 08: 44 New
    +6
    Their defenders are kidding, apparently they are cutting the budget for nowhere, so they have spread polemics, they want to reduce the generals to retirement.
    And why, as soon as the generals are going to be reduced, the nagging about poor combat readiness and the search for potential enemies begins.
    Who the hell did this Sweden and Finland surrender to, what do they have besides herring to take away?
    1. alex popov
      alex popov 6 February 2013 10: 33 New
      +3
      So, these are well-developed states, with good infrastructure, including coastal, forest, ore, rare minerals, "FISH PLACES" If you wish, you can find something to profit from. The question is, is it worth it, this "wealth" of war and subsequent hemorrhoids? We cannot master our good ...
  18. igordok
    igordok 6 February 2013 08: 55 New
    +2
    In the good old days, Zarubezhnoe Voennoye Obozreniye magazine argued that, despite their neutral status, Sweden and Switzerland are the most militarized countries in the world (the number of weapons per capita). It turns out that Sweden sold out its entire army to become a pseudo-socialist state.
    1. alex popov
      alex popov 6 February 2013 10: 34 New
      +4
      And now the same story. In general, the experience of Switzerland in the field of conscription and organization of the armed forces is worthy of close attention.
  19. Onotollah
    Onotollah 6 February 2013 08: 55 New
    22
    Somewhere on the outskirts of the country, among the lakes and stunted Karelian birches, a big bear stood on its hind legs, stretched lazily and yawned. Impressive fangs flashed.
    "What a beauty. Whisper" said the bear.
    A border guard leaned out of the shallow bushes on the other side of the border and swung a ski pole at the bear. "Shoot. Go away. I am scary in anger and I will fiercely defend myself."
    The border guard was covered in small droplets of sweat - either because he was frightened, or because he was hot, or because it is difficult to ski on moss in the summer.
    A little further, behind the back of the border guard, a certain man in clothes of the color of the state flag was standing on skates desperately to the sounds of "Happy new year"
    brandished a club and made a desperate and courageous face.
    Somewhere a little to the left, in a well-coordinated chorus and holding hands, the presidents of two small but very independent countries deduced: "We are the way of complaining. This is unacceptable. You will be condemned in PACE. We will violate human rights."
    The bear shook his head and showed the speakers a large bottle of moonshine.
    The screams subsided. The border guard skiing with all his strength ran along the moss towards the bear, after him the hockey player hurried behind the hockey stick leaning on the stick.
    After the first, peace on earth and goodwill in man were established in the Far North.
    The mood was a little spoiled by the fact that the presidents of two proud and very independent countries, sniffing and hesitatingly shifting on their feet, were embarrassed to approach. And so they took turns shouting "Occupation? No - no, integration. Pour. Polka through the leg "
    But there was still a lot of moonshine and the soul required entertainment ..
  20. kukuruzo
    kukuruzo 6 February 2013 08: 56 New
    +1
    why are they all so excited? whoever needs them there, to capture them ..... gays and junkies. Then the Soviets scared them, before the Second World War, there is still panic fear. Or they may feel what kind of Russian children they might be punished by a big neighbor ... If already on that’s it, the number doesn’t matter anymore that even in 1941 ... there are missiles, there are drones ... there are many
  21. Nickanor
    Nickanor 6 February 2013 08: 56 New
    +2
    Good article! The mood lifted in the morning! good
  22. klavyr
    klavyr 6 February 2013 09: 18 New
    +1
    The Russian-Belarusian threat is no joke to you.
    Yeah! But this will never happen. Rather, the opposite.
  23. leon-iv
    leon-iv 6 February 2013 09: 23 New
    +4
    The morning of the Swedish general.
    -Son go go have breakfast?
    -Mom, mom, and take us to NATO?
    -And you will eat porridge then take?
  24. piter-tank
    piter-tank 6 February 2013 09: 29 New
    +6
    Russia is strengthening its Baltic fleet by acquiring several modern Mistral class ships from France. These ships are designed for air and sea landing, and the first of them should be delivered in 2014. The Mistrals will enable Russia to influence the weak protection of the Baltic coasts: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia ...

    Actually, the Mistrals were bought for the Pacific Fleet. Even the piers (or piers) in the Golden Horn Bay were modernized for them.
    1. ozs
      ozs 7 February 2013 02: 17 New
      +2
      Only now, when the Mistrals bought, they forgot to think about national interests and fuels and lubricants. Or they didn’t forget, just the goal was to cut down the denjat on these mistrals.
      More reasons are not visible, although it was strange to expect something else from the team of the feldmebel.
      1. Shoma-1970
        Shoma-1970 13 February 2013 02: 17 New
        0
        tell OZS and who is the feldmebel?
  25. predator.3
    predator.3 6 February 2013 09: 39 New
    +1
    So I want to sing: "... But from the taiga to the British seas
    The Red Army is the strongest of all. "
    laughing
    1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 7 February 2013 00: 04 New
      0
      You can sing it, only the Red Army is gone .... for a long time.
      1. Shoma-1970
        Shoma-1970 13 February 2013 02: 20 New
        0
        There is no Red Army, but the people are the same, so we will try not to tarnish the glory of our ancestors!
  26. Wedmak
    Wedmak 6 February 2013 09: 39 New
    +4
    Yes, it's funny. Campaign they have nothing more to do, how to come up with threats to themselves and they are afraid. I remember a cartoon about a kitten named Gav ...
    1. bask
      bask 6 February 2013 09: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak

      Yes, it's funny. Campaign they have nothing more to do, how to come up with threats to themselves and they are afraid.

      I welcome everyone. Wedmak. Russophobia, they have it at the genetic level. And even soaked with mother’s milk. Not when they were not neutral to Sweden. Nats. Germany worked the whole war. Nazis without Swedish steel, nickel, chrome, and so on ... They didn’t last so long.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 6 February 2013 10: 11 New
        +2
        Russophobia, it’s on their genetic level. Even soaked in mother’s milk. Not when they were neutral

        Yes, I am in the know. Of course, at the genetic level, they have been sharpening a tooth on us since the 9 century (and before that there is simply no information) ... they really broke off them, and more than once.
        1. Alekseir162
          Alekseir162 6 February 2013 10: 19 New
          +3
          The Swedes surely, since the Northern War, when they piled near Poltava. After that, they vowed not to go to Russia anymore, although they still grind their teeth. But Russia, as it were, to put it mildly, do not give a damn and grind.
          1. igordok
            igordok 6 February 2013 14: 41 New
            +3
            Quote: Alekseir162
            The Swedes surely, since the Northern War, when they piled near Poltava. After that, they vowed not to go to Russia anymore, although they still grind their teeth. But Russia, as it were, to put it mildly, do not give a damn and grind.

            And before Peter, Novgorod and Pskov broke all their thoughts in great Sweden.
          2. postman
            postman 7 February 2013 02: 38 New
            +4
            Quote: Alekseir162
            After that, they vowed not to go to Russia anymore.

            ?
            knowledge of the history of his country is clearly striving for ZERO

            Russian-Swedish war of 1741-1743 (under Elizabeth Petrovna)


            The Russian-Swedish war of 1788-1790 (under Empress Catherine II)


            Russian-Swedish war (1808-1809) (under Alexander I)
            1. postman
              postman 7 February 2013 02: 40 New
              +3
              Quote: Alekseir162 In
              After that, they vowed not to go to Russia anymore.
              / Part No. 2

              Soviet-Finnish War 1918 - 1920
              Pechenga region, which crossed Finland in 1920



              Soviet-Finnish War 1939-1940
              Swedish volunteer corps

              Swedish Volunteer Air Regiment of 20 combat aircraft and about 270 people of flight and ground personnel.
              Fighter Gloster Gladiador Mk. I.

              2nd World War (Soviet-Finnish War 1941-1944) -
              Swedish volunteer siege battalion of Hanko

              Swedish volunteer company


              Swedish volunteers from the SS Nord division in the Lapland tundra. 1943



              Swedish SS men on the Eastern Front. 1944 year

              1. Waroc
                Waroc 7 February 2013 19: 49 New
                -1
                In the last photo they are somehow not at all funny, not a single one pulls a pull. Along the way, they smell it ...
                1. postman
                  postman 7 February 2013 20: 30 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Waroc
                  they’re not at all funny

                  Eastern Front (this is not for you in Yugoslavia or Greece) + 1944: Hitler stopped smiling after Stalingrad soldier
      2. Dima67
        Dima67 7 February 2013 13: 43 New
        0
        Why only Sweden, the whole Europe worked for the Germans as they fought against us.
  27. Forest
    Forest 6 February 2013 09: 43 New
    +2
    "Persecution delirium (persecution mania) is a mental disorder, the sufferer of which is unreasonably convinced that a certain person or group of persons is persecuting him: spying, torturing, mocking, plotting to harm, rob or kill." - such a feeling that the government of these countries, this is a hereditary disease, otherwise the "Soviet-Russian threat" cannot be explained.
  28. Russian
    Russian 6 February 2013 09: 44 New
    +6
    By the way, the Minister of Defense of Finland in the photo looks very young, I will not compare with Shoigu, but Serdyukov is like a pig in comparison with him
    1. Son
      Son 6 February 2013 09: 54 New
      +3
      Judging by the old photos, we have such a tradition ... More stars - more belly ...
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 7 February 2013 00: 05 New
        -1
        For solidity ..
    2. vyatom
      vyatom 6 February 2013 10: 38 New
      0
      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      By the way, the Minister of Defense of Finland in the photo looks very young, I will not compare with Shoigu, but Serdyukov is like a pig in comparison with him

      Why actually how?
    3. folds
      folds 6 February 2013 17: 05 New
      -1
      why how?
  29. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 6 February 2013 10: 00 New
    12
    Sweden and Finland, why do they need Russia?
    In my opinion, the ministers of defense of Sweden and Finland are smoking something.
    There is a Northern Fleet against Norway, so as not to hobble in the Arctic.
    And why Russia does not have the territory of Sweden and Finland.
    Throughout history, just the aggression was shown by the Swedes. And usually received in a tambourine. Let them sit quietly and not spoil the air and be happy with them.
    Well, the video in the topic:
    1. Samaritan
      Samaritan 6 February 2013 20: 26 New
      -1
      Recently, Kinchev’s charity has been plagiarized a lot)) Well, these garnches of a woman’s divine are at least ours, and Alice’s star on f-35 is already impudence !!! ))))
    2. schonia06rus
      schonia06rus 6 February 2013 23: 16 New
      +1
      interesting video on the topic that Russians are the same nation as all the rest
      but what about "I go to you" and other show-off? after all, when the sleeping Russians are attacked by the Chechens and cut out everyone, then immediately shouts "aaaaaaaaaa freaks and how so yes to the sleeping"
      By the way, the ramrod in the ear is a Finnish chip (and not Soviet special forces)
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 7 February 2013 00: 10 New
        +2
        No wonder, many here do not know the history of the Finnish war and hardly know about it ...
    3. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 7 February 2013 00: 07 New
      +1
      Well, for some reason we needed a part of Finland, despite the decent losses?
    4. WW3
      WW3 7 February 2013 00: 35 New
      +1
      Good video good whoever comes to us with a sword from the sword and perishes.
  30. Castor oil
    Castor oil 6 February 2013 10: 10 New
    +3
    that Sweden will be able to confront the invading enemies in just one week, and then it will need external assistance.

    What the hell then help !? laughing There will be no one to help "later" - like crumbs from the table ...
  31. Atlon
    Atlon 6 February 2013 10: 12 New
    +6
    What, the laws on pederasty no longer amuse them? Or have the aliens stopped scaring? How can one switch to questions about Russia with such irresponsibility when the defense against flying saucers, green men has not yet been built, and the burning question of blue men all over Europe has not yet been resolved! It should be a shame, gentlemen, Tolerasts!
  32. IRBIS
    IRBIS 6 February 2013 10: 13 New
    10
    «We will intensify our efforts in the Arctic Council.

    That's where the dog rummaged! In the light of the upcoming redistribution of the Arctic, everyone begins to move. All these considerations, in the end, have one goal - the creation of another coalition to deter Russia in the North. Alone - the gut is thin, but trying to pack on a Russian bear is an attractive idea. Sweden is also seriously considering joining NATO.
    And we urgently need to build ships for our Northern Fleet and strengthen the power of the Arctic grouping of troops.
    1. Mobidic
      Mobidic 6 February 2013 16: 00 New
      0
      Quote: IRBIS
      “We will intensify our efforts in the Arctic Council.

      We must understand- To militarize our Arctic forces
  33. bubla5
    bubla5 6 February 2013 10: 13 New
    -3
    They also have a sick government, like ours
  34. alex popov
    alex popov 6 February 2013 10: 23 New
    +2
    I wonder why would the "bloodthirsty Russian bears" attack the Finns and the Swedes? What nonsense? Interceding for fishing vessels periodically detained in the Baltic, in the North Sea and the surrounding area? Duc, like they didn't even frighten me ... Strange. Well, with the pre-Balts it is clear, the way of life is that, they are afraid of everything. Limitrophs, s. ) But what have these whipped up? Or did it seem to their military that they, too, following the example of the US military, are ready to use much more significant amounts, and not "beggarly handouts"?
    Z.Y. Sweden is an outside block state. Why would they even climb into any blocks?
  35. Krsk
    Krsk 6 February 2013 10: 36 New
    +2
    Eh ... Again they were late ... as long as they were alone there was still a chance and now they are together ... now their power is unshakable
    1. alex popov
      alex popov 6 February 2013 10: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: KrSk
      now their power is unshakable

      Whitewash. )))
      1. xan
        xan 6 February 2013 18: 23 New
        +1
        there are so many nontraditional muzhchinki that they themselves would have liked the option "please"
  36. Kiev-Ukraine
    Kiev-Ukraine 6 February 2013 10: 40 New
    +1
    We are waiting for statements from other dwarf states about "we will not stand against Russia, we urgently need to join NATO"))))
    1. alex popov
      alex popov 6 February 2013 10: 58 New
      0
      So here, read:
      An Estonian suddenly got into the discussion between the Finns and the Swedes.

      Urmas Paet, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Estonia, at a seminar on defense and security policy in Sweden in Salen on January 14 expressed the opinion that Finland and Sweden should join NATO. Sweden made a "promise of solidarity", and therefore is obliged, in the event of an attack, to provide assistance to EU countries and northern countries. Paet explained that he trusts this commitment of Sweden only on 99,9%. But if Sweden were a member of NATO, then the level of trust would rise to a round number.

      In general, it is not surprising to understand Paet: Estonia with its melting military budget (as well as Latvia’s “convoy”) would not be hindered by guaranteed northern defenders. The Russian-Belarusian threat is no joke to you
      .
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 7 February 2013 00: 14 New
        -2
        Can someone explain, everywhere "Russian-Belarusian threat" and the Belarusians, what to do with ???
        1. orfo
          orfo 7 February 2013 01: 04 New
          -1
          Old Man positions himself as a Western shield for the Russian Federation. Well, the unification of the air defense system means that we will fight together.
  37. borisst64
    borisst64 6 February 2013 10: 55 New
    +3
    Yesterday was at a party, sprats remained untouched. I hope that the hostess will no longer buy them. I do not buy for a long time.
    1. alex popov
      alex popov 6 February 2013 11: 16 New
      +1
      And I bought it for the new year. nostalgia, sir, you know.) Found the same Kaliningrad. Especially looking for.)) "Forgotten taste of childhood")
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 6 February 2013 11: 45 New
        +2
        Alexander, light up next time - I will send you. We have enough of this good without any search. And much tastier than the Chukhons!
        1. alex popov
          alex popov 6 February 2013 17: 01 New
          0
          Agreed. February 23. Everything is modest. No Genesi XO and other. Vodka, black bread, butcher, salsa + garlic (as without this), pickles and, therefore, sprats.))
          1. SlavaP
            SlavaP 6 February 2013 23: 24 New
            0
            In vain, ah, you тtttto ... sprats are really tasty-e-e-e
          2. Dima67
            Dima67 7 February 2013 13: 54 New
            -1
            Well what for such details. Now I wanted to eat.
            1. alex popov
              alex popov 7 February 2013 15: 52 New
              0
              And we have a tradition. February 23 is a day without wives. Since for the most part we are people and XOs who at one time ate fairly well and all kinds of freakas, it was already 3-4 years ago that we decided that this day, if we are going to do it, it’s all like in youth (well, except that vodka take a little more expensive laughing ) And so, in 2010 they made pearl barley porridge with stew at the stake in my country house. So, vodka, lard with garlic, pickles (my mom makes such pickles ... mmm, with horseradish, with a currant leaf, crunchy, really, just a little bit sweet), barbecue and a bathhouse- This is 100% of the program number. And then variations are possible. Good people here also advise Kaliningrad sprats. Check it out this year. )
              World peace.
              1. family tree
                family tree 7 February 2013 23: 20 New
                +1
                Here I will bookmark. Will I read before lunch, instead of 100 grams for appetite, or together? The even was confused, perhaps together with 100 grams for appetite. hi
  38. 8 company
    8 company 6 February 2013 10: 56 New
    0
    In the 30s, there were also many laughing cap-bearers, but they fought with the Finns for six months and suffered 5 times more losses than they did.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 February 2013 11: 08 New
      +2
      During .. bearers of democracy and liberalism appeared. Do you at least make an amendment for the present. And then you remember all your former "exploits".
    2. IRBIS
      IRBIS 6 February 2013 11: 48 New
      +2
      Yes, they suffered heavy losses. But not from the "power" of the Finnish army, but from the slow thinking of their own military leaders. Where the head was at the helm, they beat them mercilessly. Something like this..
      1. Lakkuchu
        Lakkuchu 6 February 2013 13: 43 New
        10
        The war in Chechnya and Serdyukov’s reforms of recent years have shown that there are fewer slow-witted people in uniform and without them.
      2. postman
        postman 7 February 2013 02: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: IRBIS
        But not from the "power" of the Finnish army, but from the slow thinking of their own military leaders.

        Who cares?
        AND WHAT CHANGED?
        Chechen?

        DEFENSE DEFENSE (more recently?)
        and generally speaking....
        NOTE:
        Oboronservis case: Smetanova released on subscription
    3. spok
      spok 6 February 2013 15: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: Company 8
      In the 30s, there were also many laughing cap-bearers, but they fought with the Finns for six months and suffered 5 times more losses than they did.

      I totally agree with you; no need to say gop until you jump
      the Finns were pretty good fighters anyway at that time
    4. wax
      wax 6 February 2013 22: 42 New
      +2
      Stalin did not intend to defeat the Finns - it was necessary to move the border from Leningrad. He climbed straight ahead in a limited area, there were many losses, but he got his own, which he confirmed the Second World War.
      1. postman
        postman 7 February 2013 13: 20 New
        -1
        Quote: Wax
        Stalin did not intend to defeat the Finns - it was necessary to move the border from Leningrad.

        Well, yes, for sure ...
        wherein:
        1. The USSR flagrantly violated Article 25 of the Hague Convention of 1907 - the bombing of Vyborg, Helsinki, trains with evacuated children moving to Oulu, including and incendiary bombs
        League of Nations, Official Journal 1939, p.506 (resolution), p.540 (Resolution)
        December 14, 1939 expelled from the League of Nations
        2. The Soviet Union was offered (Finland) a concession to the Suursaari (Gogland), Lavensari (Powerful), Bolshoy Tyuters and Maly Tyuters, Penisaari (Maly), Seskar and Koivisto (Birch) - a chain of islands that stretches along the main shipping channel in the Finnish the gulf and the territories closest to Leningrad in Therioki and Kuokkala (now Zelenogorsk and Repino), deepened into Soviet territory.
        But this was not enough, not enough ...

        They pushed us to the wall: choose one of the alternatives - Germany (which already betrayed us in 1939) or the USSR ... The concluded contract for the through transportation of goods prevented an attack from Russia. Denouncing it meant on the one hand - to rebel against the Germans, on whose relations the existence of Finland as an independent state depended. On the other hand, to transfer fate to the hands of Russians. The cessation of the import of goods from any direction would lead to a severe crisis, which would immediately take advantage of both Germans and Russiansе

        Quote: Wax
        but he got his own, which confirmed the Second World War.

        ??
        What did you achieve? The occupation of the Leningrad region and Karelia and the blockade of Leningrad from the North-West? in the first (!) year of the war?

        TOGETHER since June 25, 1941, Finland was at war with the USSR and from December 5, 1941 with Great Britain?
        NOT ENTERING Axis Countries!!!

        Not delirium 1939 maybe not September 15, 1944, but in 1941 Finland would declare war on Germany?

        And the blockade of Leningrad would not exist.
        1. major1976
          major1976 10 February 2013 13: 04 New
          -1
          Nonsense of pure water! This site is full of material about the Winter War! Your opinion is by no means the opinion of JV Stalin and the line of the USSR, it has long been known and recorded! No need to distort! But for no reason the Finns began to fight 41 against Germany! I will never believe that an exiled Chukhonite without support will climb alone to water an elephant!
    5. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 7 February 2013 00: 17 New
      +2
      True, many do not like it here ....
      1. postman
        postman 7 February 2013 14: 51 New
        0
        Quote: NOBODY BUT US
        True, many do not like it here ....

        She (really) may or may not like the "SPEAKING HEADS", but this does not change the essence.
        With falsehood already met 1941.
    6. major1976
      major1976 10 February 2013 12: 55 New
      -1
      Where are the numbers from? Yes, the war was not simple and generally respected in the war FIRING! But invaluable experience was gained from the war in winter and the assault on the pillboxes of millionaires! I won’t talk about the territories received! ! Read the memoirs of the veteran of engineering OSNAZA on this site-intelligibly, and most importantly truthfully! It was only the Fuhrer did not draw conclusions about the combat effectiveness of the Red Army for which the Fritz were paid!
  39. ruton
    ruton 6 February 2013 11: 05 New
    0
    Read. smiled laughing . As they fear us, this is fear at the genetic level. it does not corrode)) That the Russian bear must be afraid. suddenly he wakes up in a bad mood and God forbid from a hangover drinks . In general, they have something to be afraid of, in all of history, except for Sweden, we fought most of all only with the Turks. Yes, and our boats are constantly rummaging with them, and this is for them generally a sore subject lol .
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 February 2013 11: 12 New
      0
      Yes, and our boats are constantly rummaging with them, and this is for them generally a sore subject

      Yes, not our boats their sore subject ... everything is much simpler - they want to live well, happily ever after, paying nothing for it. That's all. Do you think with a fig whether the crisis dominates in Europe, the USA, and in Russia and a number of other adequate countries it is somehow not particularly observed?
      1. ruton
        ruton 6 February 2013 11: 18 New
        0
        Besides, several times it happened, they wake up in the morning, otherwise our boat sits aground. opposite their base, the whole cruiser sailed and also ran aground .. And they all slept sweetly request
        1. Vanya Ivanov
          Vanya Ivanov 6 February 2013 21: 42 New
          -1
          and ours what on the "Swedish Komsomolets" on the bank at that time did? apparently also ... overslept? ie. bunglers.
      2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 7 February 2013 00: 20 New
        +1
        I wonder where he is not observed here ??? In Moscow???
    2. mamba
      mamba 7 February 2013 10: 41 New
      -1
      Quote: ruton
      in the whole history, except for Sweden, we fought most of all only with the Turks.

      In fact, we’ve been fighting the Poles since the 9th century, but with fraternity breaks.
  40. Misantrop
    Misantrop 6 February 2013 11: 19 New
    +6
    IMHO, of course, but all these movements are the northern echo of Middle Eastern troubles. The world alignment, familiar to everyone for half a century, rained down. Treaties and alliances, as it suddenly turned out, are NOT protecting ANYTHING and NOTHING FROM ANYTHING. The right of the strong in all its ugliness, but strength, as it turns out, is not there ... request We got used to barking at the empty den, and suddenly something stirred in it. Here are the old fears and woke up. Hopes for NATO are like a herd of stoned thugs from a nearby street. If you call, they will come, but then how do you survive then? ... repeat

    And yet, in the Middle East, at any moment, it can become SO that at least half a century you can forget about those oil reserves (until the radioactive dust is exhausted). There will remain the Arctic shelf and a bunch of hungry toothy predators, deprived of the usual diet .... Shitty hedgehog on the highway ... recourse
  41. kontrol
    kontrol 6 February 2013 11: 27 New
    +1
    talk about the Russian attack just does not start, they’re probably starting something and not without the help of the UWB and all kinds of henchmen. These are all the same the machinations of mattresses.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 February 2013 11: 29 New
      +2
      These conversations are not going on for the first decade. We have always been enemies to them and occupied their territory of interest.
      1. mamba
        mamba 7 February 2013 10: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Wedmak
        We have always been enemies to them and occupied their territory of interest.

        [media=http://www.yapfiles.ru/files/386058/1d96544f3333919c89398f3539e86c8d.flv?
        token = MDAzODYwNTgtMTM2MDIxOTQ5OQ]
      2. mamba
        mamba 7 February 2013 10: 56 New
        -1
        Quote: Wedmak
        We have always been enemies to them and occupied their territory of interest.

  42. na76
    na76 6 February 2013 11: 41 New
    +3
    Quote: GOLUBENKO
    Throughout history, just the aggression was shown by the Swedes.

    In Swedish schools, in history lessons, they teach that Stockholm became the capital of Sweden after the former capital was destroyed and burned by the "damned Novgorodians", which by the way corresponds to the truth, just since the time of Ivan the Terrible we have tried to do everything to make the history of the Novgorod Republic disappear into oblivion, therefore many simply do not know what kind of fun there was in Scandinavia in the Middle Ages, so it's not worth considering who is to blame there anymore without a thorough knowledge of history, everything was messed up there, to be honest
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 February 2013 11: 55 New
      +1
      Well, to be completely honest, if you start counting who has screwed up whom, then ... In general, for the next years 200 will work. And then another 500 years will be presented to each other for jambs.
  43. crambol
    crambol 6 February 2013 11: 46 New
    -2
    Finland, and with them for the company and the Balts, panic from the same Russian invented military threat.

    Why the hell do they attack? Step over them and that's it!
  44. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 6 February 2013 12: 11 New
    -1
    Good morning, comrades!

    As I understand it, the "valiant" NATO warriors tremble from our BROWN BEAR!

    Panic early, but we haven’t done anything yet lol
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 February 2013 12: 26 New
      0
      When we do, alas, there will be no one to tremble. Generally.
      1. LaGlobal
        LaGlobal 6 February 2013 13: 27 New
        0
        Wemak! I fully agree !!! drinks
  45. shurup
    shurup 6 February 2013 12: 40 New
    0
    Mistral they have enough of their own. They have temporary ferries. And to reassure, let them begin the construction of a joint aircraft carrier. When there are difficulties with financing - it can be profitably sold to the Chinese.
    And Belarus after the "plush landing" really wears a grudge against Sweden.
    And there are intentions to conduct tests of ground-based missile systems in that direction and, of course, with a plush warhead. After the next "Ivinyams - missed", the Balts will have no time for measuring pip.
    And Russia has long ago quietly occupied the shipyards and is building something there, moreover, the Arctic.
  46. Krsk
    Krsk 6 February 2013 12: 58 New
    +3
    At this rate, they will soon not be measured in pipelines, but with the diameter of the holes ...
  47. understudy
    understudy 6 February 2013 13: 17 New
    0
    "Whatever the child is having fun - if only he does not cry!" (from)
  48. pinachet
    pinachet 6 February 2013 13: 44 New
    +8
    Finnish military are very harsh ..
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 6 February 2013 14: 41 New
      +2
      Humor
      These photos are already scary.
      Seriously
      In general, take Finnish from me, my great-grandfather disappeared there and this knowledge does not cause a smile.
      Conclusion
      If a country strengthens and really strengthens, first small countries begin to cry, then medium ones, and then large ones, then the tendency is correct if medium-sized countries cry already.
    2. does it
      does it 6 February 2013 15: 38 New
      0
      some bdsm!
    3. postman
      postman 7 February 2013 20: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: pinachet
      Finnish military are very harsh ..


      And if so

      Note: Nokian boots = ALL WANT TO GET







      ZSU T-55 Marksman based on the Polish T-55AM,



      =======================
      ours are not severe of course:



      and this is not filming 2 funny "SS men in the occupied territory or concentration camp
  49. nchyornyj
    nchyornyj 6 February 2013 14: 41 New
    +4
    With our army mess, I think they will last longer ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 February 2013 14: 49 New
      -1
      With our army mess, I think they will last longer ...

      Quite the contrary ... with our mess, they will last three days ... Most importantly, sappers should not be allowed to attack ... otherwise we won’t find Finland, nor Sweden, nor countries that happened to be nearby ....
      1. Edgar
        Edgar 6 February 2013 16: 09 New
        +5
        Dear Wedmak, tell me better how much the Finns you ridiculed lasted from 1939 to 1940 (while Stalin apparently counted on just 3 days)? and what losses did the USSR suffer from this conflict?
        I am shocked by the capillary mood of the site participants.
        1. pinachet
          pinachet 6 February 2013 16: 20 New
          0
          in those years the situation was different. then we did not have TNW ("pions" and "tulips" with nuclear warheads) and other means. Now the Mannerheim line would be split in half an hour. Therefore, now such lines are not being built.!
          1. postman
            postman 8 February 2013 04: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: pinachet
            in those years there was a different situation

            ? Then the condition was much better than now
            see ratio plate
            + T-28 + T-35 (did not have time to get there) + HF * tests) + T-34 (did not have time to finish) Artillery + Baltic Fleet

            The Finnish army entered the poorly armed war - it is indicated below how many days of the war the available stocks were in storage:
            Cartridges for rifles, machine guns and machine guns for - 2,5 months
            Mortar shells, field guns and howitzers - 1 month
            Fuel and lubricants - for 2 months
            Aviation gasoline - for 1 month



            Quote: pinachet
            .then we did not have TNW ("pions" and "tulips" with nuclear charges)

            You will chill a bit ...fool

            In 1978, the USSR declared that it would never use nuclear weapons against those states that refuse to manufacture and acquire them and do not have their own territory. In 1982, during the 37th session of the UN General Assembly, the USSR announced that it was unilaterally committing itself not to use nuclear weapons first.

            In 1995, in connection with the indefinite extension of the NPT at the treaty review conference, five nuclear powers, which are also permanent members of the UN Security Council, made standard declarations not to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states that are members of the NPT
            Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/6536

            Non-use of nuclear weapons first
            Pugwash Meeting No. 279, London, UK, November 15-17, 2002
            ====================
            If Russia applies (suddenly due to the stupidity of the Uryms) nuclear weapons against Finland, then it is likely:
            1. Russia will only communicate with North Korea (and that is unlikely)
            2. All property abroad will be seized, and all contributions the same.
            3. We will be expelled from everywhere wherever possible.
            Well and so on

            Quote: pinachet
            Now the line of Mannerheim would be split for the floor

            Yes, we remember Grozny per day.

            see the plate the ratio of the armed forces of Finland and the USSR recourse
            1. Hayots
              Hayots 8 February 2013 04: 25 New
              +2
              good post.
            2. Kaa
              Kaa 8 February 2013 04: 55 New
              -1
              Quote: Postman
              see the plate the ratio of the armed forces of Finland and the USSR

              Well, what does the plate itself prove? Have you ever tried to hit a well-camouflaged reinforced concrete bunker covered by a dense taiga forest from a gun (mortar)? Have you tried driving a tank through a swamp slightly covered with an ice crust and covered with snow? And how to force snow-covered minefields on a tank with reinforced concrete gaps covered with anti-tank artillery? And how many days during the whole war was the weather flying? So all the technical superiority turned into a huge zilch, and "Private Infantry Vanya" fought in Finland from mainly territorial, not regular units of the Red Army. And the territorials are people who did not go through the urgent, but only occasionally called up for monthly fees from collective farms and from machine tools. Is the difference clear? So it comes out of your plate that only superiority in the infantry in one and a half times helped to defeat Finland. And in more detail - read the penitential report of the then People's Commissar of Defense K., Voroshilov's commission headed by I. Stalin, he analyzed all this (and not only) in detail, after which he was removed from his post and replaced by Tymoshenko, who had an almost bloodless "Polish" hike ".
              1. Hayots
                Hayots 8 February 2013 05: 57 New
                +2
                Quote: Kaa
                So what does Enta itself prove? Have you ever tried to get out of a cannon (mortar) along a well-disguised reinforced concrete bunker covered by a dense taiga forest? Have you tried to drive a tank through a swamp slightly covered by an ice crust and covered with snow? And to force snow-covered minefields on a tank with reinforced concrete gouges covered by anti-tank artillery?

                Quote: Kaa
                fought in Finland "private infantry Vanya" from the territorial mainly, not regular units of the Red Army.

                So wait dear. What does all this mean? The fact that the Finns were well trained ... or that the troops of the USSR were poorly trained? Sorry, but I didn’t quite catch the line of your thoughts.
              2. Hayots
                Hayots 8 February 2013 08: 07 New
                +1
                By the way ... please pay attention, including the number of losses:
                1. postman
                  postman 8 February 2013 13: 19 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Hayots
                  By the way ... please pay attention, including the number of losses:

                  It's useless. There is mold in the heads.
                  They Tupolev was a bribe taker (he took cars and refrigerators), and Korolev spent the money for other purposes (in 38m he built the SEVEN (R-7), instead of Katyusha)).
                  IT IS ONLY to justify the great and the infallible and "the organs are not mistaken"
                  gibt es eine gute Prueffung: idioten-test / Ich wuerde ihnen (heads) empfehlen
              3. postman
                postman 8 February 2013 13: 12 New
                +3
                Quote: Kaa
                So what does Enta itself prove?

                & disavows silly statements like:
                Quote: pinachet
                in those years there was a different situation


                Quote: Kaa
                You never tried to get out of the gun (mortar)

                I'm Neti, I have a different VUS.
                Have you ever "tried to hit with a gun (mortar") at a well-fortified firing point in a dense urban development? (Berlin, for example, or Warsaw)?

                Quote: Kaa
                dense forest taiga?

                There is no taiga. For mushrooms and fishing-constantly. YOU have mixed up longitude

                Quote: Kaa
                Have you tried to drive a tank through a swamp slightly covered by an ice crust and covered with snow?

                No, I tried it on an SUV. My cousin is fond of mending G skin after every trip.
                AND WHY / ON THE TANK TO GO TO THE SWAMP or on the stones of KARELIA?
                Quote: Kaa
                And to force snow-covered minefields on a tank with reinforced concrete gouges covered by anti-tank artillery?

                There were precedents: Maginot Line for example, ( and in my opinion at this place more than once)

                Quote: Kaa
                And the weather, how many days during the whole war was flying?

                And what kind of a fool starts a campaign for the winter? There were precedents (beginning of WWII-June, but wanted in May)
                the commander of the 44th division, A. I. Vinogradov, and the chief of staff of the 44th division, Colonel O. I. Volkov, were shot by the verdict of the military tribunal of the 9th army. / I don’t presume to judge, but it would be more correct to have Kremlin ones, right at the Kremlin bang bang /
                Quote: Kaa
                So all the technical superiority turned into a huge zilch, and the "Private Infantry Vanya" fought in Finland

                And he was led by a fool commander, directed by the thick-witted from the Politburo, guzzling special rations, to please his megalomania.
                1. postman
                  postman 8 February 2013 13: 13 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Kaa
                  from territorial mainly, but not regular parts of the Red Army

                  Don't whistle. So everything is distorted.
                  9-th Army
                  44th Infantry Division of the Red Army (Battle on the Raat Road)
                  163rd Infantry Division of the Red Army (Surrounding Suomussalmi)
                  8-th Army
                  18th, 56th, 75th, 139th, 155th and 168th rifle divisions and corps reinforcement units
                  Army Air Force, a total of 45 bombers and fighters;
                  49th Fighter Aviation Regiment (Aviation Regiment);
                  72nd High-Speed ​​Bomber Aviation Regiment;
                  Rear parts;
                  Army institutions;
                  What to list further the composition of the Leningrad Military District and the Baltic Fleet?


                  Quote: Kaa
                  Is the difference clear?

                  it is not clear what you are carrying is called either delirium or defamation.
                  Quote: Kaa
                  So it comes out of your tablet that only superiority in the infantry and a half times helped to defeat Finland

                  and 88 times in tanks and 9 times in airplanes and 5 times in artillery.
                  Quote: Kaa
                  And in more detail - read the penitential report of the then Commissar of Defense K, Voroshilov

                  I read, calm down and our and English and Finnish and Swedish sources, I can send xers to all the stats. data. Yes, and my grandfather fought there. He told a lot of things while he was alive.
                  ===============
                  You read the title of the article again, the silly statements of some talking heads, take a trip to the isthmus and Finland to the places of military operations, well, look at the map with at least one eye.
                  And study: the strength of the Red Army, the number of tanks (ALL FORWARD PLANETS), ARTILLERY, etc.
                  We alone in the Navy were weaker than anyone in the world.
            3. Massik
              Massik 10 February 2013 16: 26 New
              0
              yes let them expel - my country will not communicate with any country in the world, but I will think about the thousands of simple young guys whom I saved my life by spitting on all agreements and conferences
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 6 February 2013 16: 28 New
          +3
          I will say ...
          Comrade pinachet told you right. I will add a little - in those years the situation was completely different. We did not have sensible commanders, we had outdated weapons at that time, a lot of which were not there. Now a slightly different situation. In addition, I spoke with humor, and there is no smell of hatred here.
          Let them last a month, what will it give them? The main message is that whoever we are with is the one and the other. And we are not going to attack anyone, and so there are those who want to get in the face.
        3. NOBODY EXCEPT US
          NOBODY EXCEPT US 7 February 2013 00: 24 New
          0
          You are not the only one ....
        4. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 7 February 2013 01: 38 New
          +1
          dear Edgar, it’s stupid to go for 39-40 years - for the first time the Finns themselves are already far softened (the ratio of urban and rural residents has already changed not in their favor) a wide network of excellent Finnish roads is located to quickly advance the enemy, alas, the third armament of Finland’s air defense is outdated, and without aviation, the army turns into a partisan. And Sweden isn’t hunting anyway, as it didn’t bother us anywhere.
          1. postman
            postman 8 February 2013 03: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: zadorin1974
            the third armament of air defense of Finland alas is outdated

            ?

            to detect air targets at ranges up to 500 km and altitudes of 30 km, the stations of the French company "Thomson - CSF" are used, and in the range of 100 km in range and up to 5 km in height - radars manufactured by the Swedish company "Erikoson" of the TAR-87 and TAR types -95. When operating in the range of 350 km in range and 15 km in height, as well as at ground stations, equipment of national production is installed.
            18 x "Buk-M1"
            in 2013-2014 replacement for NA.SAMS II
            + 176 million euros will be spent on radar installations and 120 million euros on other equipment

            Quote: zadorin1974
            and without aviation, the army becomes a partisan

            Finnish Air Force: 2 (including 800 cf. ele.), 1 b. s, b at. no.

            Fleet: 57 F-18C (Finnish assembly) and 7 x D (US assembly), 49 Hawk (Mk51 and Mk51A), 3 Lirget-35A, 3 F.27, 14 Piper, 9L-90 Redigo , 28 L-70 “Vinka”, 6 UAV “Ranger”.

            the total number can be up to 250 thousand people, and the deployment time is 2-3 days.
        5. major1976
          major1976 10 February 2013 13: 14 New
          -1
          Edgar didn’t say anything personal! I wrote to you that profane learn, study and learn how to hang up! Let's see how much they work out and how much you are! You are not familiar with history, much less with military affairs!
  50. oSB
    oSB 6 February 2013 15: 07 New
    +1
    Definitely! Not even a sport with me, only blue mushrooms and nothing else! wassat
    1. cumastra1
      cumastra1 6 February 2013 15: 17 New
      +1
      false foxes, it’s from them ...
    2. botur
      botur 6 February 2013 23: 30 New
      -1
      A hatch opened on the wall, everything is calm it is a glitch. lol