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Joe Biden at the Munich Conference: Wars Against Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya: Major Success

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Last week, the Munich Security Conference concluded its work. Its main issues were the so-called Iranian nuclear issue and the Syrian conflict. Among the "secondary" themes was the Malian question. The meeting between Sergey Lavrov and Joe Biden was generally held behind closed curtains. "The Highlight of the Program" - the leader of the Syrian armed opposition, Sheikh Muaz al-Khatib - also increasingly "hung out" behind the scenes.


Joe Biden at the Munich Conference: Wars Against Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya: Major Success


Special Representative of the UN and LAS on the Syrian crisis Lakhdar Brahimi, followed by the head of the National Coalition of Syrian Opposition and Revolutionary Forces (NKORS) Ahmed Muaz al-Khatib gave ratings happening in the country. Brahimi lamented the inaction of the UN Security Council, where the Russian Federation and China blocked several resolutions on Syria. And Mr. Khatib, without extinguishing himself, said that he was going to ask right here at the conference, at bilateral meetings (that is, behind the scenes), to ask representatives of world powers, including the Vice President of the United States, to support the opposition, ready to overthrow “the Bashar regime Asad.

Officials in Damascus, as you might guess, were not invited to the forum. Sergei Lavrov, apparently, did not focus on this in his speech. However, he did not step back from the previous positions of Russia regarding the Syrian conflict. is he сказал:

“If you look at the most volatile region today - the Middle East, North Africa, it is difficult to get rid of the feeling of some kind of curved space. Many questions arise in connection with the approaches of our Western colleagues. We all want stability to be ensured in the Middle East, on the African continent and in other regions, so we need to agree on transparent and understandable rules that should guide all external players in their practical actions. ”


What are the rules about it - transparent, and even understandable? And this is the hairpin of the West, which then fights against the Syrian people along with Al-Qaida and other Islamists, then it supports the fight against religious radicals in Mali.

After such a statement on the sidelines of the conference, our minister spoke with Comrade Brahimi. And Joe Biden talked with Ahmed Muaz al-Khatib. To each his own. There is nothing new under the sun, as wise Ecclesiastes used to say for a long time.

As for the topic of the Iranian atom, the parties also did not say anything new. Repetition is the mother of learning, here's how to briefly describe the results of the Munich forum. Tehran said the absence of evidence of a military orientation of the nuclear program, and representatives of the Western powers called on Iran to make concessions first.

In the West, apparently, they do not at all consider that the “suspect” remains a suspect until his guilt is proven. Anyone pointed to the finger of the West is immediately accused. And it goes to the accused until it proves otherwise. No lawyer in the world (except, perhaps, Obama, who studied at Harvard Law School) would not like such judicial logic. But democracy is democracy, and the Germans and their guests forced Comrade Ali Akbar Salehi to defend themselves. He even had to raise his voice.

February 3 broke out heated debate on Iran’s nuclear program. Salehi, the Iranian foreign minister, rejected the West’s accusation that his country was making a nuclear bomb in a rather loud voice.

"Where is the proof? - Outraged Salehi, raising his hands to the glass ceiling in the Royal Hall of the hotel «Bayerischer Hof». “Show me the report on paper, and I am on your side.” The head of the committee on foreign policy in the German Bundestag, Ruprecht Polenz, insisted that it was not the international community that should prove Tehran’s secret intentions, but Iran, its peaceful intentions. Polenz also harshly criticized Tehran’s anti-Israel rhetoric: “This is unacceptable.”


By the way, Salehi named the date of the next round of negotiations with the “six” international mediators: February 25. The venue of the meeting will be Kazakhstan.

Neither French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, nor Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius arrived at the conference in Munich. That is why the Malian theme and faded into the background.

Behind the scenes, quite important things were discussed.

During a meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, Vice President of the United States Joe Biden, who had often criticized Russia before, somewhat unexpectedly spoke in friendly tones. At least affiliate. It was not about anything neutral, but about normalizing relations between the two countries.

Washington proposed start normalization with cooperation in areas that do not cause contradictions in the two powers. The fight against weapons of mass destruction is a suitable field of cooperation. The Nunn-Lugar program expires in the summer, and Russia refuses to renew it. Under the treaty, the United States assists other countries in disposing of decommissioned nuclear and chemical weapons and means of delivery. Over the past twenty years, the program has destroyed 7610 nuclear warheads, 33 nuclear submarines, 902 intercontinental ballistic missiles, 155 bombers and hundreds of other delivery vehicles. Moscow explained the refusal to extend the agreement to the fact that it no longer needs subsidies.

Journalists already know the conditions on which Moscow is ready to sign a new agreement. True, such will be signed if the conditions "are based on equality and meet modern realities." The contract for the disposal of plutonium in 2010, renewed in 2002, regarding plutonium can serve as a model for the agreement: both parties have equal financial obligations and “fairly distribute responsibility”. As for the Nunn-Lugar program, contractors from the USA who were hired to work in Russia were not responsible for the accidents and the emergencies caused by their fault.

This is not all. In the new agreement, the Russian government would like to limit the access of Americans to some objects.

To discuss the conditions put forward by the Russian side this month, Rose Goethemuller, the senior US Undersecretary of State, will fly to Moscow. In Washington, events are rushing: they say they want to reach concrete agreements as soon as possible. However, as the representative of the Russian delegation in Munich firmly stated, "unlike the 1990s, Moscow now" will not do anything quickly. "

Speaking at the conference, Joe Biden saidthat Washington and Moscow successfully reloaded relations, mentioning a joint vote on sanctions against Iran in the UN Security Council, a START treaty and Russia's accession to the WTO. He also noted disagreements with Russia, primarily the missile defense system in Europe. However, he did not say a word about the resolution of the issue.

And Sergei Lavrov, in response, reminded the Russian position that Moscow is seeking to obtain assurances that the European missile defense system will not be directed against Russia.

What do people think about the conference in Munich abroad?

Cave Afrasiab, Ph.D., author and coauthor of several books, writes in Asia Timesthat it is time for cautious optimism. Iran and the United States, he writes, are on the verge of historical opportunities to restore their "frozen" relationship. It's time to do this, the scientist believes, noting that all past opportunities were lost - simply because one or the other side was not “ready”.

Fortunately, the author says, the current situation is different from the previous ones. And this is what gives reason for cautious optimism, especially in the light of the positive statements from US and Iranian officials, in particular, US Vice President Joseph Biden, who during his participation in the 49 conference on security in Munich announced that the United States ready for a serious dialogue with Iran. Thus, he made a step to which Iran responded reciprocally: Minister Salehi called Biden's words “a step forward”. He then confirmed that his country was ready for negotiations.

At the same time, responding to Biden’s remarks that the diplomacy window is not open forever and that all options remain on the table, Salehi rightly condemned the US’s “contradictory” intentions to simultaneously negotiate and immediately “use this threatening rhetoric ... it is incompatible ...” We will be ready to participate only when we speak as equals. ”

Thus, words are words, and America, famous for its double standards, has to prove its good intentions in practice. Either she is ready for dialogue, or she, like the characters of Orwell, will consider herself "more equal than others."

The current US strategy for Iran comes down to two aspects: deterring Iranian power and deterring Iran’s desire to get nuclear weapons. As for the latter, Hillary Clinton, in her final Secretary of State speech at the Council on Foreign Relations, outlined the priority of the Iranian nuclear threat and confirmed that the United States is firmly committed "not to let Iran get nuclear weapons."

There is a contradiction, the analyst believes. After all, Iran has already reached the threshold of nuclear potential due to the mastery of the full nuclear fuel cycle, and this is a fait accompli that must be taken into account and fully integrated into the realistic US strategy towards Iran. Incredibly, the author writes, but the United States is not able to make an important distinction between potential and actual capabilities and develop appropriate policies based on the existing difference.

What do we have in the end? If the US intends to insist on suspending the uranium enrichment program, then it is useless. This, according to the scientist, is doomed to failure - in the light of clear signals from the Iranian leadership that they will not cease to enrich uranium under any circumstances.

But what Tehran could (and is ready to) consider is the voluntary establishment of a uranium enrichment ceiling. Let's say we can talk about temporary suspension of 20% enrichment or the like. In this, the analyst sees certain compromises that do not impinge on Iran’s “inalienable nuclear law”, enshrined in the articles of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT).

All this can be supplemented by efforts to strengthen Iran’s cooperation with the IAEA.

Together, these Iranian steps will provide an “objective guarantee” regarding the peaceful nature and objectives of the nuclear program.

But are these steps enough to lift the Western sanctions against Iran? And are the US ready to reciprocate the Iranian movement? Will Washington move away from the coercive diplomacy that has become his second nature? Another question is what role the US allies, such as the United Kingdom or France, will assume.

Christoph Dreyer (World Socialist Web Site) emphasizes that Biden used the conference field to confirm the US claims to be a global hegemon. In a speech on Saturday, he declared that the “Pacific state of the United States”, together with the “greatest military alliance in the world” (NATO), would retain “our power” both over the Atlantic and the Pacific region — thanks to “our new defense strategy.”

To the Western policy of potential military intervention in geo-strategically important regions of the world, the US Vice-President justified by social instability:

“Today in North Africa and in some countries of the Middle East,” he said, “extremists are trying to use: border permeability; the presence of many uncontrolled territories; the availability of weapons, new governments that sometimes lack the ability to fight extremism; outflow from the countries of a generation of disaffected young people whose desires are stifled by stagnation in the economy. ”


Such a situation, explained the vice-president of the United States, requires

“An integrated approach and the use of the full range of tools at our disposal, including the armed forces”.


It would seem that already enough, but Joe Biden continued. He went so far as to present the brutal wars against Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya as major successes and even called them models for future campaigns.

As for Syria, Biden repeated the US demand for "regime change." He said that Syrian President Assad is “a tyrant obsessed with clinging to power”, which the Syrian people do not need and must “leave”. According to a report in the Times of London, the author notes that the United States gave Israel a green light for further air strikes against Syria after the bombing of targets in Syria on January 30.

By the way, the vice president of the United States did not make a secret of the fact that the American offensive initiative in the Middle East and North Africa is directed against Chinese influence in the region and is generally associated with the anti-Chinese political and diplomatic attack by the Obama administration, known as the "turn to Asia" .

In response, representatives of the European powers made it clear to Biden that they were very willing to participate in the re-colonization of the Middle East and North Africa in cooperation with the United States.

The German government has stated directly that it will not stand aside. Both German ministers, Guido Westerwelle (foreign affairs) and Thomas de Maiziere (defense), stressed the importance of cooperation with the United States and their support for Western intervention in the affairs of Syria, as well as Mali. Westerwelle promised the leader of the NKRS Hatyba "active support" from Germany.

Interestingly, the same Westerwelle several times stressed the importance of partnership with Russia. Germany, after all, is not interested in confrontation with China and Russia, which has its own interests in the Middle East. And China has its own - in Africa.

There is no longer double standards smacks, but triple.

Jay solomon of "The Wall Street Journal" focuses on Western skepticism about making progress in the negotiations on a nuclear settlement.

He notes, in particular, that Iran’s chief nuclear negotiator is Saeed Jalili. This man is the personal representative of the supreme leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and the latter persistently expressed his unwillingness to curtail Iran’s nuclear program. Mr. Jalili plays a far greater role in the formation of Tehran’s nuclear policy than Mr. Salehi, who, by the way, was educated in the United States with a degree in nuclear physics.

The author also points out that the new US secretary of state, former Massachusetts senator John Kerry, has a reputation for being not such a militant “hawk” as its predecessor, Hillary Clinton. As for the US Secretary of Defense, the candidate for this post, Chuck Hagel, confused the legislators, saying that he would work to "contain" the Iranian nuclear program, if approved for the post of head of the Pentagon. True, he immediately explained that the policy of President Obama is to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons, and not to keep Tehran after receiving them.

Mr. Biden in Munich had to “minimize the damage” from Mr. Hagel’s comments and emphasize the position of Barack Obama, who intends to use all means, including perhaps military force, to prevent Iran from making a bomb. Biden said bluntly:

“As President Obama has made clear to Iranian leaders, our policy is not deterrence - this is not deterrence. We must prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. ”


As for Europe, EU diplomats who are familiar with the negotiations say that it remains unclear whether Iran is really interested in a compromise. Mrs. Ashton, in particular, insisted that there should be no negotiations for the sake of the negotiations, and stated that Iran should take the first step to build confidence.

Thus, nothing fundamentally new was said at the Munich conference, except for the fact that Vice President Biden had to repeat the theses of his head Obama, who in Washington, defending himself against attacks from hawks like McCain, unwittingly shook the candidate for defense ministers - Chuck Hagel. Highlight should also be a backstage meeting of Sergey Lavrov with Joe Biden, at which they talked about the normalization of relations between Russia and the United States. Probably, the field of partnership with weapons of mass destruction will soon become a partnership field. And as before, EuroPRO will be a stumbling block.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 5 February 2013 08: 05
    +3
    Just like in chess, one board and 2 players. Pawns beat around the bush. Horses will soon go forward, the question is what did the lady of the black suit conceive? Or maybe the king?
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 5 February 2013 08: 14
      0
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      what the lady conceived black


      If pawns and horses move as they do, then the king will have checkmate and checkmate.
      1. Region65
        Region65 5 February 2013 08: 23
        +4
        if pawns (U.S.) and horses (Obrezail and Great Britain) will continue to go under themselves, then soon they will have to do euthanasia ..._))))))))
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 5 February 2013 08: 28
          +3
          Quote: Region65
          euthanasia ..._)


          Lobotomy of theirs.
      2. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 5 February 2013 08: 26
        +1
        Quote: Vanek
        then the king check and checkmate.

        Are you sure that the king was left without a trump card? One wrong move and the whole vector can change.
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 5 February 2013 08: 27
          0
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          One wrong


          Castling?
          1. INTER
            INTER 5 February 2013 09: 34
            +2
            Quote: Vanek
            Are you sure that the king was left without a trump card? One wrong move and the whole vector can change.

            It all depends on the skill of the grandmaster) wink
            1. Curculum
              Curculum 5 February 2013 11: 06
              0
              Quote: INTER
              It all depends on the skill of the grandmaster)

              Not only: initially - from the area of ​​the board, which, as we see - can change during the game. Correspondingly, the amount of movement of the figures changes and, first of all, the speed of influence on the figures (that is, it is still necessary to reach the necessary figure at a constant reaction speed of the grandmaster).
              1. INTER
                INTER 5 February 2013 15: 38
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                Quote: Kurkul
                Not only: initially - from the area of ​​the board, which, as we see - can change during the game. Correspondingly, the amount of movement of the figures changes and, first of all, the speed of influence on the figures (that is, it is still necessary to reach the necessary figure at a constant reaction speed of the grandmaster).

                The chess game algorithm does not depend on the area of ​​the board!
    2. Warrawar
      Warrawar 5 February 2013 13: 06
      0
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HKWJSKYBDXE#!
      From North Korea with love!
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 5 February 2013 16: 04
      0
      The king of black suits decided to save his black rear, then how the queen rules everything, and at the board, but no less influential, kings of different stripes.
      And pawns on both sides perish.
  2. Vanek
    Vanek 5 February 2013 08: 09
    +4
    Moscow now "will not do anything in haste."

    Measure seven times, ..........

    Oleg hi
  3. cheshirski
    cheshirski 5 February 2013 08: 18
    0
    Americans are no longer shy to say how they are going to succeed in the east ....
  4. Denis_SF
    Denis_SF 5 February 2013 08: 20
    +8
    Again they drove from empty to empty, everyone remained with his ..

    Under the treaty, the United States is assisting other countries in the disposal of decommissioned nuclear and chemical weapons and their delivery vehicles. Over the past twenty years, the program has destroyed 7610 nuclear warheads, 33 nuclear submarines, 902 intercontinental ballistic missiles, 155 bombers and hundreds of other delivery vehicles. Moscow explained the refusal to extend the agreement by the fact that it no longer needs subsidies.

    V.S. Vysotsky has the following words: "And do not be interested in our way of life - We ourselves know where we have what. So our Central Committee wrote in an open letter - We approve of his line!"
  5. Region65
    Region65 5 February 2013 08: 20
    +8
    Joe Biden at the Munich conference: wars against Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya - major successes .. Apparently Joe Biden is a complete masturbator and fucker) what are the successes of SaSheA in Iraq? Afghanistan and Libya? it's like a shnaya gopota on his gangway will discuss how they famously "inserted" rich huts :) they robbed them on the rz, they boiled them, they really robbed them, raped all the tenants at a cost ... ki damn
    1. wax
      wax 5 February 2013 14: 07
      +2
      Countries are in chaos. This was the goal, and the achievement of the goal is success. The US policy towards Russia after 1990 proved by many examples that words and deeds completely do not coincide with each other. It's time to round out with naivety about the true goals of the states and NATO.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 5 February 2013 16: 05
      +1
      I’ll continue you, moreover, the owners of rich huts gave two of their gangs horns ...
  6. smel
    smel 5 February 2013 08: 22
    +1
    Speaking at the conference, Joe Biden said that Washington and Moscow had successfully “reset” relations,
    This is not a reboot. It’s just that the virus in the person of the USA has eaten all possible programs. And in my opinion, because of this, the computer
  7. albert
    albert 5 February 2013 08: 22
    +2
    It no longer smells of double standards, but of triple standards. It seems more like all this smells of World War III. In response, representatives of European powers made it clear to Biden that they were even ready to participate in the re-colonization of the Middle East and North Africa in cooperation with the United States. this is the most important thing.
  8. lechatormosis
    lechatormosis 5 February 2013 08: 23
    0
    [media = http: // hunting%20on%20taliba%20s%20apache.flv]
  9. Che
    Che 5 February 2013 08: 38
    +2
    What are the rules about it - transparent, and even understandable? And this is the hairpin of the West, which then fights against the Syrian people along with Al-Qaida and other Islamists, then it supports the fight against religious radicals in Mali.

    Here Amer’s vile essence, well, what can I say. Leopard change his spots. They must be resisted by helping the legitimate government of Syria.

    As the people say they will ssy in the eye they will speak the dew of God.
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 5 February 2013 20: 47
      +1
      Che,
      Amer incorrigible, continue to drive the crap.
  10. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 5 February 2013 08: 43
    +2
    Munich, Munich, the place is already annoying, the parallels are bad.
  11. MG42
    MG42 5 February 2013 08: 44
    +4
    The US Vice President did not make a secret of the fact that the American initiative to attack the Middle East and North Africa is directed against Chinese influence in the region and is generally associated with the anti-Chinese political and diplomatic offensive of the Obama administration, known as the "turn to Asia."
    Do not forget that China is the largest buyer of Iranian oil, it will not let the Americans roam. If he shuts off this channel of oil supplies, the PRC economy could suffer very much. There are prerequisites for war there.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 5 February 2013 09: 09
      +7
      Quote: MG42
      MG42

      But I have a small but significant addition (translation from the Israeli press)
      Barack in Munich said Israel is ready to take off gloves against Syria and Hizballlah. Iranian leaders heeded his words and at the same time followed the Syrian leader of the opposition rallies, Mouaz al-Khatib. In Munich, US Vice President Joe Biden first met with Russian and Iranian Foreign Ministers Sergey Lavrov and Ali Akbar Salehi.
      Salehi spent 45 minutes with a Syrian dissident on the sidelines of a conference where statements by the Israeli defense minister were examined.
      These meetings were taken as an assumption that the Syrian opposition does not expect a fall in the short term of the Syrian ruler, and therefore there is no choice but to start talking with him about the division of power in a format to end the Syrian conflict. Tehran is already advocating a role in the Syrian peace settlement. However, Iran’s repressive operation and harsh Israeli reaction could violate this promising scenario. Http://www.debka.com/article/22736/Barak-Assad%E2%80%99s -fall-i
      s-immine
      nt-jalili
      -Assad-weigh-reprisal-for-Israel
      .Arabs want retaliation for attacks by Israeli aircraft .. The Syrian opposition has run out of steam and wants to bargain for something. Well, of course, the United States steers, only now with an eye on Lavrov. Iran is not averse to tackling the Syrian fire by peaceful means. This is the situation ..
      1. MG42
        MG42 5 February 2013 09: 23
        +1
        Kaa,
        What do you think about China? After all, he also inserts his “veto” in the resolution on Syria, and if the matter concerns Iran, he will definitely not be silent.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 5 February 2013 10: 07
          +4
          Quote: MG42
          since it concerns Iran = it will not be silent for sure.

          It's not about China, the West is putting on a "good face with a bad game." Long ago they would have banged on Iran, BUT: Everyone knows perfectly well that Iran ALREADY HAS nuclear weapons. Iran seems to be denying this (following the example of Israel, and the West has to believe, as it were)
          "The pressure that the United States and the West as a whole apply to Iran to keep it from acquiring nuclear weapons is being absolutely in vain. The Islamic Republic already has not only nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union, but also enough enriched uranium to produce new To make matters worse, Iran has means of delivery. Mohsen Rezaei, the then commander of the Guard, received permission from Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini to launch a covert nuclear weapons acquisition program. Pakistani generals and Pakistani nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan. Muslim Iran actively courted Kazakhstan, which accounted for a large part of the Soviet arsenal and was predominantly Muslim, and Tehran offered him hundreds of millions of dollars for the bomb. there were reports that three nuclear warheads pr fell off. This was also confirmed by Russian General Viktor Samoilov, who dealt with disarmament issues for the General Staff. He acknowledged that three warheads had disappeared from Kazakhstan, while Paul Muenstermann, then vice-president of the German Federal Intelligence Service, said Iran had received two of the three nuclear warheads, as well as medium-range nuclear weapons delivery vehicles from Kazakhstan. ... He also said that Iran had acquired four 152mm nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union, which were reportedly stolen and sold by former Red Army officers.
          To make matters worse, several years later, Russian officials said that when comparing documents on the transfer of nuclear weapons from Ukraine to Russia, there was a discrepancy in as many as 250 nuclear warheads. Iran acquired tactical nuclear weapons from one or more former Soviet republics Today, Iranian leaders, despite four sets of UN sanctions, continue to implement both their missile and nuclear enrichment programs, and they have enough enriched uranium to create six nuclear bombs, according to The latest report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). The Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps now has more than a thousand ballistic missiles, many of which are aimed at Amer Ikan military bases in the Middle East and Europe ... The Iranian fleet has already armed its ships with long-range ground-to-ground missiles, and will soon expand the range of its mission to the Atlantic Ocean and the Gulf of Mexico.
          “History makes us suggest that it may be too late on our part to try to stop Iran in its nuclear ambitions. Why do we assume that for 20 years of trying, Iran was unable to achieve a result - having access to vast amounts of unclassified data on nuclear weapon designs, and armed with 21st-century technology - that the United States achieved in three years during the implementation of the Manhattan project in the 1940s years? ”, asks nuclear weapons expert Peter Vincent Pry, who worked for the CIAOriginal publication: Iran already has nuclear weapons
          Опубликовано: 27/10/2011 10:12
          : http://www.inosmi.ru/asia/20111028/176730988.html#ixzz2K0Bbf4Ia
      2. wax
        wax 5 February 2013 14: 11
        +1
        You cannot conduct any negotiations with the "opposition", you can only conduct TALKS. And here too, who uses them.
  12. JonnyT
    JonnyT 5 February 2013 08: 47
    +2
    Nothing new ....... the enemy remains the enemy! It's funny of course to read their "great speeches", they themselves then believe in what they say ??? Well, in relation to Russia in general ....... we want to be friends with you, and the fact that we destroy you normally at an opportunity - this is our friendship!
    1. rolik
      rolik 5 February 2013 13: 13
      +3
      Quote: JonnyT
      we want to be friends with you

      As soon as the mattresses begin to sing sweetly, it becomes clear that they need something. And the benefit from this will be very great - but only to the mattresses themselves. Therefore, there should always be an on-duty phrase - fuck off (with a literal translation it’s rude. To leave, fail, get rid, fuck .... to fuck, to be from .....). They understand this well.
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 5 February 2013 14: 40
        0
        Well, yes ....... by the way, news has been heard lately that the United States wants to normalize relations with Russia ...... again they are planning a dirty trick ..... I personally do not believe that we have naive "rural boys" in our leadership sit ....... Everything that they signed and did in the past was quite meaningful ... and they perfectly understood what it would lead to ....... Pushes on bad thoughts .......
  13. Averias
    Averias 5 February 2013 09: 17
    +5
    I'm just fucking, a bunch of hypocrites (Lavrov is not concerned). Especially the USA, themselves "kindled the fire" of the war in the Middle East, and now they are trying to extinguish it by pouring gasoline on the "fire". And now, you see, they are puzzled and worried - their cynicism knows no limits.
    As I have already written that the goal of the United States and its allies is to plunge B.Vostok into controlled chaos (it did not work out), to discard it in development in the Middle Ages. And then to get their hands on resources, and people, and what people - reservations, ignorance (it's not for nothing that educational institutions are blown up, and the Islamists are clearly not humanitarians), destroyed infrastructure and medicine will reduce the population. The United States will not leave Bolivia-east; there will always be a "good" reason. They understood perfectly well that to destroy Russia and make it a raw material colony, divided it into parts with other jackals - it did not work, now all efforts are directed to the Middle East and Africa.
    1. politruk419
      politruk419 6 February 2013 05: 17
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      Averias RU Yesterday, 09:17

      I'm just fucking sick, a bunch of hypocrites (Lavrov does not apply).
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      You will not envy Lavrov in this situation. After all, behind him is Ayfonchik with eternal delirium, as well as the fifth column of grantosos in the deep rear. And the bloodless reforms of the Serdyukov-Makarov army.
  14. dusha233
    dusha233 5 February 2013 09: 21
    +2
    Meeting of hypocrites !!!!
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 5 February 2013 09: 47
      +1
      Quote: dusha233

      Meeting of hypocrites !!!!


      Even the post-graduate academician, with rare exceptions
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 5 February 2013 10: 37
        0
        And what did you want ..... for the young, death, but for the elderly just talk ....
  15. Apollo
    Apollo 5 February 2013 09: 31
    +3
    I have some questions:

    quote-Official representatives of the authorities in Damascus, as you might guess, were not invited to the forum. Sergei Lavrov, apparently, did not focus on this in his speech. However, he did not step back a step from Russia's previous positions regarding the Syrian conflict.

    Was it worth Russia to participate in the conference (without binding anything) without official representatives of Syria. Is it a puncture of the Foreign Ministry or a deliberate action to participate. We have a journalist Elena Gromova on the forum who writes reports from Syria, I noticed that others I can’t say a topic like that, it doesn’t write at all. So dear Elena, I’m interested in your opinion regarding the incomprehensible and sometimes even inconsistent position of the Russian Foreign Ministry regarding Syria. If you are interested in specifics, see the above.

    could do like french for example
    quote-To the conference in Munich neither the French Minister of Defense arrived Jean-Yves Le Drian neither Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius.

    a quote, in particular, from US Vice President Joseph Biden, who, while attending the 49 Security Conference in Munich, announced that the United States was ready for a serious dialogue with Iran. Thus, he took a step to which Iran reciprocated: Minister Salehi called Biden’s words “a step forward”. He then confirmed that his country was ready for negotiations.

    if we participate in conferences and forums, why so far Russia, as represented by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has not initiated and mediated negotiations between the United States and Iran, when there was such an opportunity. If successful, this would be a grandiose diplomatic success for Russia.

    in confirmation of his aforementioned words
    quote-nothing radically new at a conference in Munich did not sound

    Well, it doesn’t sound right, because the Foreign Ministry is traveling empty-handed. It’s time for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to formulate a specific goal for such trips to a forum or other conference winked My rating to Oleg Chuvakin for the review 5, and the Foreign Minister at this forum 2.
    1. Mart
      5 February 2013 09: 37
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      Quote: Apollon
      could do like french for example
      quote-Neither French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian nor Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius arrived at the conference in Munich

      Good day, Apollo! These, as far as I remember, did not come because they went to Mali with President Hollande.
      Thank you for the "five", comrade! drinks
    2. wax
      wax 5 February 2013 14: 18
      0
      The Foreign Minister is doing everything possible. Confrontation is contraindicated for us. Where the situation matures, Russia is firmly committed to "clarifying" the situation (NGOs, disposal ...).
  16. Natalia
    Natalia 5 February 2013 10: 48
    +8
    I was most outraged by this statement:

    - In response to this, representatives of the European powers made it clear to Biden that they were very ready to participate in the re-colonization of the Middle East and North Africa in cooperation with the United States. -

    That is, the entire US grouping has openly recognized the fact that they intend to intervene in the internal affairs of states. This is similar to robbery committed by an organized group, in order to seize property on a large scale. Under Russian law, Article 162 Part 3. From eight to fifteen years with confiscation of property. Only this is all at the interstate level.

    And there wasn’t any - = reboot = - as it was from the time when Clinton with this button ran to Lavrov, so nothing changed.

    Nevertheless, Israel did not aggravate the situation and refused (at least for now) to further bombard Syria. Maybe this is due to the fact that large exercises of all four fleets will soon take place in the Mediterranean Sea .....
  17. Natalia
    Natalia 5 February 2013 11: 12
    +6
    This information is especially delivering:

    - The United States is assisting other countries in the disposal of decommissioned nuclear and chemical weapons and their delivery vehicles. Over the past twenty years, the program has destroyed 7610 nuclear warheads, 33 nuclear submarines, 902 intercontinental ballistic missiles, 155 bombers and hundreds of other delivery vehicles. -
    This is despite the fact that they themselves decided when the deadline for decommissioning comes.

    It's good that we still refused their "profitable" services.
    Here I thought, but what, let us now help America to dispose and withdraw from its arsenal of nuclear and chemical weapons. And most importantly, we’ll help them get rid of the delivery vehicles, and then there’s a lot of all kinds of bombers that have accumulated nuclear submarines (there’s the B-52, everything’s to be cut, the junk, the B-2 mmm ....... are also not very new , Oh, the submarine of the Ohio project .... saw, why do they when they already have the Virginia project)
  18. viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 5 February 2013 11: 17
    0
    "It seemed like enough already, but Joe Biden continued. He went to the point of presenting the brutal wars against Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya as major successes and even calling them models for future campaigns." horror, war is perceived as a success. Amer amers will not bring you to good, you do not have horror in your blood before the war.
    1. legionary
      legionary 5 February 2013 11: 33
      0
      The topics of unrecognized republics, such as Transnistria, are not discussed at such forums. Why are diplomats from the PMR invited? Who is she with, or are they dating in Munich ??
    2. Natalia
      Natalia 5 February 2013 11: 34
      +4
      This no longer brought them good, a public debt of $ 16 trillion for transporting democracy to other countries, including because of the excessive desire to play cowboys ... well, because it is all rotting capitalism.
      1. wax
        wax 5 February 2013 14: 25
        0
        All this public debt is actually purely paper, because on the one hand, the buck is getting cheaper, on the other hand, the main one, is eventually covered by other countries, which are being robbed. And the states will never repay debts, as the whole world, standing on the dollar currency, and covers them (including Russia, holding stocks in dollars (but another is not expected yet.) Only gold can make a difference.
  19. Ulysses
    Ulysses 5 February 2013 13: 32
    +3
    Vladimirets,

    Munich agreement.

    Quite similar parallels.
  20. pa_nik
    pa_nik 5 February 2013 15: 03
    0
    "Biden used the conference field to reaffirm US claims to be the world's hegemon."
    Here is the "hegemon-restless" ... Well, nothing! The dog barks - the caravan moves on.
  21. 32363
    32363 5 February 2013 15: 50
    -3
    Quote: Natalia
    I was most outraged by this statement:

    - In response to this, representatives of the European powers made it clear to Biden that they were very ready to participate in the re-colonization of the Middle East and North Africa in cooperation with the United States. -

    That is, the entire US grouping has openly recognized the fact that they intend to intervene in the internal affairs of states. This is similar to robbery committed by an organized group, in order to seize property on a large scale. Under Russian law, Article 162 Part 3. From eight to fifteen years with confiscation of property. Only this is all at the interstate level.



    so Russia needs to join, and then peep in your Moskvabad that you are being squeezed by blacks, but you are supporting them (Syria) .. let the Churkes hammer each other.
    best defense, attack.
  22. Kibl
    Kibl 5 February 2013 17: 10
    0
    All these Western politicians are some kind of possessed maniacs!
  23. Nina Czerny
    Nina Czerny 5 February 2013 19: 19
    0
    Not a bad article, but only the word "success" has a singular number and cannot be the word "success".
  24. DeerIvanovich
    DeerIvanovich 5 February 2013 19: 59
    -1
    regarding Iran: For the organizers of the Middle East massacre, it is not profitable for Iran to destroy, because it was said by the organizers of this action: a Muslim must kill a Muslim. Shiites with a center in Iran and Sunnis with centers in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain - why not push them together.
  25. Vespasian
    Vespasian 5 February 2013 20: 02
    +1
    The article on the case is indeed, the Geneva Accords is a definite success for our diplomats. In Munich, along the way, the "partners" in the Atlantic club could not agree on how to "cut" North Africa and the Middle East for them. And the absence of the main "French" is the main confirmation of this, I take off my hat to our diplomats, we (Russia) for the first time began to act proactively.
  26. Affottapy
    Affottapy 6 February 2013 00: 12
    0
    Good afternoon, I need to sell / sell
    Volga 21,
    the car is in Vitebsk, here you can see spectacular photos
  27. xaxaes
    xaxaes 6 February 2013 09: 07
    0
    These are some kind of aliens, no shame, no conscience, no humanity, no logic, no god in the soul as well as the soul itself! For the sake of power and money, they are ready to kill children, women and the elderly, torture, poison, starve, infect with diseases, incite each other while making smart faces and brazenly discussing democracy and good intentions. All to hell!
  28. MuadDib
    MuadDib 6 February 2013 09: 40
    0
    All these are just figures. And the intentions of the players are much more sophisticated.