Ukraine is negotiating with Kazakhstan on the purchase of Russian components for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Currently, the Ukrainian organization Ukrspetsexport is negotiating with structures in Kazakhstan on the possible purchase of products from the Russian military industry for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. RIA reports this News with reference to an informed source.

According to the source, the Ukrainian company may negotiate with a number of Kazakh organizations in order to purchase components produced in Russia for the PGK-10 parachute braking systems for Su-24 and MiG-29 aircraft.

This gives rise to many insinuations. Perhaps the Kazakh leadership has hidden cards in the game of multi-vector politics to maintain an equidistant position on the situation around Ukraine in dialogue with both Westerners and the main guarantor of Kazakhstan’s security - Russia

- quotes RIA News unnamed interlocutor.

On the other hand, it is unlikely that such ties will be beneficial to Kazakhstan itself. The financial effect from them is minimal, if not negligible, but such actions may affect economic cooperation with Russia, which has become especially beneficial for the republic in the last two years.

The motivation of the Ukrainian side is quite understandable - the Ukrainian Armed Forces are armed with a large amount of Soviet-made military equipment. The components for it from the warehouses of Eastern European countries have been practically selected during two years of conflict; now all that remains is to look for new ways to obtain them, turning to other countries in the post-Soviet space or in the Third World.

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[credo]

Of course, Kazakhstan doesn’t grow bananas, but that still won’t save it, if anything.

[Lev_Russia]

Of course, Kazakhstan doesn’t grow bananas, but that still won’t save it, if anything. yes

This will definitely cost him more than the money he received for the components...

[MaxKruh]

There will be nothing but concern.

[Vlad Baryatinsky]

Quote from MaxKruh

There will be nothing but concern.

Isn't that enough?

[Wayfarer_2]

Quote: Vlad Baryatinsky

Quote from MaxKruh

There will be nothing but concern.

Isn't that enough?

Of course not enough. I should also add “expressed disappointment.”

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Lev_Russia

It will definitely cost him more

can you be more specific?
what problems will he get?

[alebdun2000]

For example, blocking the transit of both goods to Kazakhstan from Europe and from Kazakhstan there, as well as goods from China to Europe. These goods will go through Russia only. This is all painful...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: alebdun2000

blocking the transit of both its goods to Kazakhstan from Europe and from Kazakhstan there and Chinese goods to Europe

First of all, what kind of Kazakh goods are you banning?
second, about China you made it funny

[bayard]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

First of all, what kind of Kazakh goods are you banning?

Oil . By pipeline to the ports of the Black Sea.
But I don’t think that the Kazakhs will fall for it. Some kind of unspoken smuggling agreements with Kazakh “ensigns” may take place, but if information about this leaks to the press, the Kazakhs will definitely not take risks. Now they make VERY good money from transit and parallel imports.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: bayard

Oil . By pipeline to the ports of the Black Sea.

and it seems to me that the Kazakhs will immediately begin to look for the possibility of transporting it across the Caspian Sea
so we can’t really put pressure on them, but they can

[bayard]

I don't think it will come to that. You can’t even imagine how much Kazakhstan, its business and officials are earning from Russia today. Risking it all for... what? Braking parachutes for MiG-29 and Su-24? Yes, even engines and critical spare parts, or even just old Soviet aircraft?
Most likely we are talking about smuggling of goods bought from Kazakh “ensigns”.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: bayard

You can’t even imagine how much Kazakhstan

yes where am I
The question is not how much they earn, but where they keep their money
they were already taken for Faberge

US seizes $22 billion in Kazakhstan accounts

Read on WWW.KP.RU: https://www.kp.ru/daily/26776/3809692/

[bayard]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

The question is not how much they earn, but where they keep their money
they were already taken for Faberge

And they remembered it very well.
Or do you really think that they liked their Faberge massage?

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

US seizes $22 billion in Kazakhstan accounts

Wow, this was a good lesson.
Or did you still like it?
To take a chance on drogue parachutes?
Do you even know that we are saving them from energy collapse right now? All of their thermal power plants fell apart, as did the distribution infrastructure. Russia saved the flow and agreed to modernize everything on credit.
And what are the investments of the Russian Federation in Kazakhstan?
And what are expected?
How would you like to get your own nuclear power plant?
And there are also simply extremely interesting prospects. And only with Russia.
And China will NOT approve of such behavior AT ALL.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and all Kazakh Russophobia solely because the lesson was learned
Do you really think that they are keeping money from us?!

[bayard]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Do you really think that they are keeping money from us?!

I don’t know where they keep their money, but I know that our nouveau riche prefer to keep it in Dubai.
I think that after the arrests, the Kazakhs also thought about a more reliable storage facility.
But if we ate, we’ll just turn off their electricity. and we change our minds about saving their energy sector with our loans, they will freak out, but they will gnaw off their own elbows.
If someone steals your money, but you can’t tear out your Adam’s apple for it, spit and don’t have anything to do with the scoundrels. Don't trust them with your money. Don’t let them in, their business is on enslaving terms for themselves (when 90% goes to an alien swindler), don’t raise your children there and just equip your home and keep your money at home.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

one very simple question: where do they store them?

[bayard]

I don't know any Kazakh oligarchs.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

What I mean is that if the savings are in ANY Western currency, then it doesn’t matter in which bank they keep them

[bayard]

I understood you perfectly, which is why I wrote above about Dubai, where the “domestic” nouveau riche now store their honestly withdrawn capital in the local (!) currency. Yanukovych withdrew his billions there in advance. So after that demarche with the arrest of Kazakh “tenge” in American banks, all Kazakh billionaires and multimillionaires capable of thinking flocked to the same place - to Dubai.
You need to SAVE money. And the Anglo-American brothel not the best place to store them.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: bayard

where in there

You said above that you don’t know what you’re storing

[bayard]

Above, I said about Dubai, that our nouveau riche registered their capital there, and that I hope for similar wisdom in Kazakh capital (they were robbed before).

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: alebdun2000

For example, blocking the transit of both goods to Kazakhstan from Europe and from Kazakhstan there, as well as goods from China to Europe. These goods will go through Russia only. This is all painful...

China is cooperating with Kazakhstan with all its might, while Russia itself has abandoned the new Chinese Silk Road. About 7 years ago, it refused to build roads to Europe jointly with China. And Kazakhstan is building. So who will hurt whom is a big question.

[Quiet Don]

Quote: alebdun2000

For example, blocking the transit of both goods to Kazakhstan from Europe and from Kazakhstan there, as well as goods from China to Europe. These goods will go through Russia only. This is all painful...

And we will get the loss of one of the parallel import logistics centers, which we urgently need under the conditions of sanctions and we don’t know what’s worse.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

can you be more specific?
what problems will he get?

There is an interstate agreement on military-technical cooperation within the framework of which Russia supplies military equipment to Kazakhstan at domestic prices of manufacturers.
Although Kazakhstan is trying to purchase communications, electronic warfare, radar and light armored vehicles from NATO countries, it still has the S-300 air defense system and combat aircraft, including the new Su-30cm. Which will quickly become a joke.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Vita VKO

Which will quickly become a joke.

Do you know how the Kazakhs will respond?!!
they will stupidly send us away, their mattresses have been courted for years

[Roman_vh]

That's what the Chinese gave them. KZ is a Chinese garden bed, and they won’t let anyone else spud it.

[Kasym]

Since the beginning of the Northern Military District, Kazakhstan has introduced a ban on the sale of weapons, ammunition, etc. to third countries. Therefore, this news is fake.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Don’t tell anyone, when it was necessary, Chinese markets and Chinese goods were banned within one day
You don’t need to tell me about what’s going on there and what’s going on

[Andrey Nikolaev_4]

Russia covers the energy deficit of Kazakhstan (and it is large), covers the water deficit of western Kazakhstan, more than 80% of oil is exported through Russia (and it is impossible to quickly create any alternative), etc. and so on.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

This already happened at the beginning of the Northern Military District, when Kazakhstan sold weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine through an intermediary in the person of Jordan. Then Tokayev was urgently invited to Moscow, after which there were denials, but not very convincing.
Although it was then that Kazakhstan introduced an official ban on the sale of weapons to reassure Russia.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Lev_Russia

This will definitely cost him more than the money he received for the components...

Based on my life experience, it seems to me that these negotiations will be quite successful for the Outskirts. And nothing will happen to the Kazakhs for this. Apart from Lavrov's "concern". The Armenians are over there, members of the CSTO and nothing, they threw Russia out and immediately let the French in. And we didn't even make a peep.
Vanguyu - the CSTO will collapse, only us and the Belarusians will remain in it. Although we wouldn’t like this, it’s getting there.

[Mikhail Ivanov]

Ukraine is not negotiating with anyone. The most interesting thing is that they are negotiating without money, without prospects of fulfilling their obligations under contracts and with leadership that no longer exists.

[tralflot1832]

The question is certainly interesting, but usually this is resolved by calling the military attache of the embassy for a conversation. We’ll see.

[Tikhonov_Alexander]

Kazakhstan should be next after defeating the outskirts.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Right. Let's take Kyiv, and then we'll take Nur-Sultan! He, too, oh how he needs denazification.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

and then we’ll take Nur-Sultan!

there is no such city anymore

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Already bombed? Great!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

this means that when you search without knowing the topic at all, you don’t look very smart

[fa2998]

At least you took the regional capitals of Zaporozhye and Kherson! Kazakhstan will send us - there are more opportunities and good things in the rest of the world. He has seen all sorts of CSTO in his grave. The partners there are strong and financial - the USA, China, etc. Recently, they literally saved the regime there, and then there were anti-Russian statements.

[goscha_04]

The financial effect from them is minimal, if not negligible, but such actions may affect economic cooperation with Russia, which has become especially beneficial for the republic in the last two years

that’s the whole point, I don’t think the Kazakhs will agree to this

[alystan]

Tokaev will gladly share his components with dill.

[Prisoner]

As if Tokayev himself would not have been allowed into the components.

[alystan]

If he doesn’t listen to his handlers, then they will do so. Although he himself will probably count on no leniency on their part. But we know and remember the fate of many (if not all) who believed them and fell for their deceitful conversations.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Captive

As if Tokayev himself would not have been allowed into the components.

and who will let him in?!

[Prisoner]

Should you name specific names or consider the question rhetorical?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

no, it’s interesting to hear the names
and most importantly HOW will this happen?

[Prisoner]

So I don’t know the names. How will it happen? I hope it's beautiful.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Captive

I don't know the last names

Well, if you don’t know, then why are you talking?

[Prisoner]

But he wanted it and said it? Are you here for the censor or an amateur artist?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

what does censorship have to do with it?!!
or do you think that the main thing is to blurt out without knowing and without thinking?

[Prisoner]

I thought and said. Or do you only recognize the right to think for yourself?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

the problem is what you said, and when you were asked to justify it, you sweetly stated that you didn’t know the topic

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

If it weren’t for GDP, then Takaev, together with Nazarbayev, would have been “farming” in Rostov a long time ago.. Next door to Yanukovych. Although, they are unlikely to remember this.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

If not for GDP, then Takaev together with Nazarbayev

baby talk and absolute ignorance of what is happening in the Republic of Kazakhstan
Firstly, Nazik is already “farming”
secondly, who threatened Tokayev and when?!

[Tim]

Protests in Kazakhstan (2022) were provoked by Tokayev himself in order to remove the Nazarbayev family clan and install his own people!!! We did not need to bring in our military personnel then.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Even the very fact of negotiations, regardless of the results (except for expulsion from the doorstep) is a complete disgrace for our politicians.

[I'm mine]

"Was there a boy?"
I mean,

. with reference to an informed source

[thinker]

Information disseminated in the media and social networks that Kazakhstan is allegedly negotiating with Ukrspetsexport on the purchase of Russian military products for the needs of the Ukrainian armed forces not true, Tengrinews.kz reports with reference to the press service of the department.

[AdAstra]

What are “good” allies in the CSTO...

[FoBoss_VM]

The very fact that Kazakhstan is negotiating speaks volumes. The Kazakhs took the path of Ukraine. And this may also cost them their territorial integrity... Are they thinking about this? The entire north and half of the center is Russian land, donated to them by Lenin, just like with Ukraine. The Russian army, honed by years of fighting on the Ukrainian touchstone, will cut off as much as necessary like a hot knife through butter. The wars of the Kazakhs are like a machine gun belt made of manure, no match for the Ukrainians. Let the descendants of Genghis Khan remember this

[Ivan Ivanov]

Despite the fact that at not a single meeting did the guarantor explicitly indicate the internal politics of the Kazakhs, starting from the content of textbooks. I think they are not much different from Khokhlyatsky ones. And then we will be surprised by the “unexpected Maidan”.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote from: FoBoss_VM

Kazakhs took the path of Ukraine

they haven’t left it, and they’ve been erecting monuments to their “Bandera” for a long time now
and they removed Russian channels from the network where they used to be Sharovarniki

[alystan]

Vasilenko, out of respect for the Russian language, you should write more competently.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Do you have anything to object to on the topic?

[alystan]

For you, whether on-topic or off-topic, the Russian language doesn’t seem to care.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: alystan

Anything on the topic for you?

that is, nothing?

[Emergency]

And he may be keen on language, like the other two in this thread. Who think they're well disguised.

[alystan]

Most likely it is. This kind of neglect is simply amazing.
On the topic, too, more often they make a fuss.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Well, can you object specifically to the topic or not?!
and forgive the attempt to deceive, as you put it, you did just that, trying to get away from the topic of conversation
What exactly did I write that was incorrect, offensive or provocative?
just please answer the directly posed questions and don’t try to get off topic

[alystan]

I repeat once again, I wrote about your disdain for the Russian language.
If I write on the topic, it will not be in response to your posts.
I hope I explained it to you clearly.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

that is, there is nothing to object to on the topic, then please leave your thoughts to yourself
we are discussing a SPECIFIC topic

[alystan]

Why did you attach yourself to a fair remark?
Which was never answered.
I don’t consider your “But essentially...” to be an answer.
Keep discussing, don't get distracted.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

once again, for the gifted, I don’t care about your flood, have something to say on the topic under discussion, please, no, pass by
I am not your student and you are not my teacher

[alystan]

Please do not be rude. By this you show not only your ignorance, but also your not the best qualities.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

but I wasn’t being rude to you, it was you who interfered with moralizing, so you got what you were looking for
once again, if there is something on the topic - we discuss it, if not - pass by
leave your mentoring tone for others
ps it’s funny to listen to demands not to be rude from people who allow themselves to abuse strangers

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Emergency

And he may be sharpened by language

Do you think you wrote something smart?!

[Prisoner]

Did you sit in the same trench with the Kazakhs or maybe went on raids? Have you heard about Nikolai Sinovich Maidanov or Boris Tukenovich Kerimbaev? So no need to create dust!

[Junior Private]

Why do they need braking parachutes for the Su-24 and MiG-29 if there are practically none left in Europe and the military? Or are they not giving F-16s? Strange article. It looks like a throw-in.

[Ghost1]

I have no idea that somewhere they are assembling a couple of flying aircraft from various decommissioned aircraft and spare parts. We don’t know exactly how much they have left there.

[Emergency]

Most likely he is.

[Junior Private]

I want to say right away that I do not claim the truth of the figures (I do not present them), but it is customary for us to refer to data from pedivics. How real they are is another question. The number of fuselages is limited. It is relatively easy to transfer the engine to the MiG-29 according to Soviet concepts. I won’t say anything about the Su-24 - I don’t really know. But if we take hydraulics, for example, then mother is dear there. And I will never believe in fairy tales about airplanes assembled from spare parts.

[I'm mine]

. Currently, the Ukrainian organization Ukrspetsexport is negotiating with structures in Kazakhstan on the possible purchase of products from the Russian military industry for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. RIA Novosti reports this with reference to an informed source.

Currently, there are too many such fakes and publications. Kazakhstan is too closely tied to Russia in all spheres to decide to take a step hostile to us.

. with reference to an informed source

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: I am mine

Kazakhstan is too closely tied to Russia in all areas

Armenia was even more tied up
and they will be decided at once

[Askold65]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Armenia was even more tied up
and they will be decided at once

And at “two” they may begin to have economic problems. And as a consequence, political.
But this is possible if the leadership of the Russian Federation had tough policies in the framework of tightening the screws for an unfriendly country. But so far I haven’t seen any of those.

[Emergency]

One can and should treat Armenia with some degree of contempt because of the Soros rat Pashinyan, but what is the country’s fault for writing the common name of the state with a small letter? Not good. Not polite.

[Ivan Ivanov]

It is clear that the publication may be rejected as a fabrication or a strong exaggeration, but this is not the first time that the Kazakhs have taken ambiguous steps, so it is easy to believe.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Kazakhs are quite capable of selling, multi-vectorism is in their blood

[I'm mine]

I have no doubt about "loyalty". I doubt they will sacrifice their well-being

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: I am mine

I doubt they will sacrifice their well-being

depending on how the mattresses take them by the gills, they already have experience

[mark1]

On the other hand, it is unlikely that such ties will be beneficial to Kazakhstan itself. The financial effect from them is minimal, if not negligible.

New American friends compensate.

[odometer]

TsIPSO awesome stuffing... They know how to work, throw it in, so to speak. Look how we can, the repeaters are excited

[Emergency]

So the local police officers took your post to the leadership. They run and stumble.

[aleks700]

I'm not surprised at all. I wouldn’t be surprised even if the equipment is sold.

[bone1]

Do Ukrainians not have enough brakes from Kazakhstan for complete happiness?

[opposite28]

Tokayev did not try particularly hard when replacing the political elite of former President Nazarbayev in Kazakhstan with his own. So it is surprising that the very fact of military-technical cooperation with Ukraine has become known, which was not hidden before, just like with Azerbaijan regarding supplies from a private manufacturer of artillery ammunition. For example, the Kazakh political establishment did not impose any trade and economic sanctions, not to mention military ones, against Ukraine.

[Tim666]

Quote from: FoBoss_VM

The very fact that Kazakhstan is negotiating speaks volumes. The Kazakhs took the path of Ukraine. And this may also cost them their territorial integrity... Are they thinking about this? The entire north and half of the center is Russian land, donated to them by Lenin, just like with Ukraine. The Russian army, honed by years of fighting on the Ukrainian touchstone, will cut off as much as necessary like a hot knife through butter. The wars of the Kazakhs are like a machine gun belt made of manure, no match for the Ukrainians. Let the descendants of Genghis Khan remember this

For 2 years, figures like you have been excitedly talking about cowardly Selyuks) Tryndet is not to go on the attack)

[storm]

Kazakhstan needs to repeat the arrival of the Airborne Division, but with a different ending and new leadership...

[Sergey Prutkov55]

Why do we need such allies? They are asking for the next SVO.

[Sergey Prutkov55]

It is in Russia's interests to eliminate threats to national security. At any cost. Until the demolition of the corrupt regime. Otherwise it will be more expensive for yourself.

[mitlantecutli_zen]

Ese es el país donde Rusia le salvó el culo al presidente recientemente, ¡tremendo amigo de Rusia ese gobierno!

[ISKANDER_61]

Lord, from the very beginning there has been trade. Woke up with comments

[Sergey Prutkov55]

Do we even have allies? Or only on paper?

[bessonov932]

Basayev once received help with procurement in 2006. He has experience!

[nordscout]

Another fake for studying public “predilections” in Kazakhstan??? The other day, the whole Macron was denied supplies of Kazakh uranium ore, and here, some “penny gadgets” for the SU-24, MIG-29... This “game” is not worth a penny, but, here, political and economic "gots" - "above the roof"...

[Alt 22]

And Kazakhstan will sell Ukraine everything it needs - we must somehow thank Russia for its help in suppressing the rebellion...

[AlexWar]

Negotiations are apparently being conducted under American supervision. The United States will put pressure on Kazakhstan.