German edition: Interception and publication of a conversation between the Bundeswehr military is a disaster for the army

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German edition: Interception and publication of a conversation between the Bundeswehr military is a disaster for the army

The German newspaper Berliner Zeitung notes that it must be a disaster for the German army that a conversation between military personnel from the German Ministry of Defense (Bundeswehr) was intercepted and published.

At the same time, the publication is confident that the recording is not a fake. Generals of the German Air Force talk there.



This is a major disaster for the Bundeswehr and will cause sleepless nights, and not only in the German army

- writes Berliner Zeitung.

According to the authors of the publication, this incident shows how low the level of communications security is in the German army. In addition, it is outrageous that German generals discuss top-secret topics as if they had never heard of wiretapping. According to some reports, the officers conducted a conversation over open channels on the WebEx platform.

Another German publication, Der Spiegel, writes that the Bundeswehr is afraid of an even larger data leak after this incident. They are concerned that this is not an isolated incident and there could be other interceptions of conversations.

Let us recall that earlier Russian journalist and media manager Margarita Simonyan published a transcript of a conversation between high-ranking Bundeswehr officers. In the recording, the German military discusses, in particular, how they can help Ukraine in destroying the Crimean bridge.
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  1. +10
    2 March 2024 15: 45
    You need to keep an eye on the market. And in general, what a disaster this is. Merkel's American friends bugged him, and what can we say about the generals, these, as they say, were ordered by God himself.
    1. +10
      2 March 2024 15: 53
      Quote: hohohol
      You need to keep an eye on the market. And in general, what a disaster this is. Merkel's American friends bugged him, and what can we say about the generals, these, as they say, were ordered by God himself.

      It is also customary to be responsible for the market. We need to remind the Krauts about this.
      1. +3
        2 March 2024 16: 08
        The German military is discussing, in particular, how they can help Ukraine in the destruction of the Crimean bridge

        "Ordinary fascism".
        No, they weren’t cured in ’45. But this time Russia will not come to save them from themselves. Why do we need Berlin, Paris and other Londons if the remains of these cities from the Nazis will contain only radioactive ashes?
        1. +5
          2 March 2024 16: 51
          Colleague, you made a mistake in the word London, it's a word with the letter "g"
          1. +5
            2 March 2024 16: 55
            I hope everyone here will guess, but the admin will not miss such straightforwardness.
      2. +4
        2 March 2024 16: 23
        German edition: Interception and publication of a conversation between the Bundeswehr military is a disaster for the army

        Oh, and me first from the title to the article I thought, that the Germans in Germany were TORTURED BY THE CONSCIENCE for the aggression of their generals against Russia! (Sarcasm.)
        But it turned out that no!
        The Russophobe Germans have become even worse than they were after WWII/WWII and are now quietly pretending to be something peaceful in the world!

        The Germans and German generals have forgotten how the Second World War and WWII historically ended for Germany!
        1. +6
          2 March 2024 16: 35
          And the Germans, I see, are concerned not about what their officers were talking about, but about the fact that there was a leak....well, well...apparently the rabies vaccination for the Germans lasted for 80 years.
          1. +5
            2 March 2024 17: 10
            Quote: Black
            .apparently the rabies vaccination for the Germans lasted for 80 years.
            It wasn't enough!

            Just as the Germans were under the influence of the Anglo-Saxons - both in WWII and in WWII - they remain under their influence to this day thanks to the heirs of their Nazi grandfathers and pro-American henchmen in power: led by Olaf Scholz in Germany and the “mad German” Ursula von der Leyen in the capital of the European Union in Brussels, nicknamed "MAD GERMAN"!

            And the parasitic Jewish bankers of the US Federal Reserve in Washington and London received and are receiving all the benefits from all this for German “cannon fodder”!

            Lili Marleen - English Subtitles - 1930s/40s German Song
        2. +1
          2 March 2024 17: 25
          Quote: Tatiana
          Russophobe Germans have become even worse than they were after WWII/WWII

          In Germany, fascism cannot be destroyed until it is transformed into the territorial units in which it was after the Thirty Years' War until 1871.
      3. +3
        3 March 2024 07: 56
        I listened and re-read the Russian translation of this conversation between the Germans. And I can’t understand what’s so incredible and sensational about it? Are we trying to convince everyone and ourselves that Ukraine already has Taurus missiles, bypassing Scholz’s official permission? And the officers are discussing the option of using them on the bridge, which they have no right to do? Do we still have such naive people?
        The first has not yet been proven, and the second is absolutely not forbidden to anyone - to discuss options. So what is all the fuss about here? I am only interested and pleased by the very fact of wiretapping, and how RT got it M. Simonyan. If this is production (wiretapping) of the GRU or FSB, then why are we leaking it through RT, and not Naryshkin or Patrushev?
        1. LMN
          +2
          3 March 2024 08: 16
          Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
          I listened and re-read the Russian translation of this conversation between the Germans. And I can’t understand what’s so incredible and sensational about it? Are we trying to convince everyone and ourselves that Ukraine already has Taurus missiles, bypassing Scholz’s official permission? And the officers are discussing the option of using them on the bridge, which they have no right to do? Do we still have such naive people?
          The first has not yet been proven, and the second is absolutely not forbidden to anyone - to discuss options. So what is all the fuss about here? I am only interested and pleased by the very fact of wiretapping, and how RT got it M. Simonyan. If this is production (wiretapping) of the GRU or FSB, then why are we leaking it through RT, and not Naryshkin or Patrushev?

          Well, Simonyan did not hide the fact that she received this recording from the special services.

          But apparently, this is not our wiretapping. In this case, it would make sense to withhold the information.
          But if they also received it from a third party, then there is no point in keeping silent. “Three know, everyone knows.”
          1. 0
            3 March 2024 08: 20
            But apparently, this is not our wiretapping.
            Do you think it was the people of Markus Wolf (Stasi) who became more active? This means that not only the CIA has “Sleepers”... And so we will reach the revival of the Comintern! I don't mind!
    2. +10
      2 March 2024 15: 55
      Maybe it’s still worth introducing an embargo on trade with Germany in response to such conversations of the Nazi generals?
      They don't understand normal language.
      They need to be beaten. Ruble. And not only.
      Why don't we conduct sabotage operations on the territory of enemy states?
      Why don’t we finance and arm extremists of all stripes on the territory of enemy states?
      How long can you draw worthless red lines?
      De facto, we are already at war with the entire NATO through a Strange Military Operation: the enemy attacks our territory, kills our military and civilians, and in response we draw red lines and say that we are not like that.
      How we miss Khrushchev and his shoe.
      1. +3
        2 March 2024 16: 04
        Maybe it’s still worth introducing an embargo on trade with Germany in response to such conversations of the Nazi generals?

        What an embargo, I beg you. They themselves have already entered everything and are now sitting and slowly flowing around.
      2. +10
        2 March 2024 16: 06
        Quote: Bearded
        Why don't we conduct sabotage operations on the territory of enemy states?
        Why don’t we finance and arm extremists of all stripes on the territory of enemy states?

        As if you don’t know - “We are like that”... Mother of them... am
        We'll hit you with a dozen more red lines and fifty initiated cases!...

        Spanish shame, damn...
        At one time, I walked down the ramp and realized that I was at war. And here - two years have passed, they are fighting with us on all fronts, and we - I don’t know...
      3. +4
        2 March 2024 16: 26
        “How we miss Khrushchev with his shoe.” Khrushchev is as much a clown as Zelensky. We miss comrade Stalin
      4. +3
        2 March 2024 16: 29
        Why don't we conduct sabotage operations on the territory of enemy states?
        I agree completely.
        They need to be beaten. Ruble.
        I guess they won't accept it. They must be beaten with Iskanders. And not only with conventional warheads.
        Why don’t we finance and arm extremists of all stripes on the territory of enemy states?
        , we are not like them.
        How long can you draw worthless red lines?
        Until the markers are dry.
        How we miss Khrushchev and his shoe.
        But here - let me disagree. We lack a determined person who would not hesitate, for example, to test new nuclear weapons. At the training ground. Let's say Comrade Stalin. And Comrade Khrushchev pulled too many pranks, in addition to the boot, and the tests of “Kuzka’s Mother”.
        1. +1
          2 March 2024 16: 46
          Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
          How long can you draw worthless red lines?
          Until the markers are dry.

          And when they dry out, we’ll buy a lot of new ones in China.
      5. +2
        2 March 2024 16: 59
        Mais à l'époque de Khrouchtchev et surtout avant l'URSS via les partis communistes Européens et les syndicats issus de ces mêmes partis noyautait bon nombre de pays ...
        Examples:
        - en 1939 l'URSS alors liée à L'Allemagne Nazi par le pacte Germano Soviètique avait ordonnée via le parti Communiste Français que des sabotages aient lieu lors de la fabrication du matériel militaire Français ( par exemple les moteurs d'avions )
        - lors de la guerre au Vietnam, la aussi du matériel a été saboté, le syndicat CGT (bras syndicaliste du parti Communiste) à même été jusqu'à faire refuser par les dockers le chargement du matériel militaire expédié au Vietnam et même ( comble de l'infamie !) le déchargement des cercueils des soldats Français morts au Vietnam ...
        Vladimir Poutine pourrais avoir une énorme chaussure cela ne rétablirait pas les réseaux du PCF et des autres partis Communistes Europeens. A cette époques les usines seraient sans doute "tombées en panne, camions et trains bloqués... Je ne regrette pas cette époque ou d'autres donnaient les ordres, malheureusement nous sommes tombés sous une autre dépendance...et d'autres donnent à nouveau des ordres...
      6. 0
        3 March 2024 08: 09
        impose an embargo on trade with Germany

        Here is the certificate for 2023: Over the year, exports of German goods to Russia decreased by 38,8%, to €8,9 billion. Imports of Russian goods to Germany fell by 90%, to €3,7 billion.
        It would be interesting to know what else we are selling to the Germans for €3,7 billion and whether they will suffer much without this meager amount? But the opposite figure suggests that we are more interested in trade than the Germans. And I am sure that this €8,9 billion does not include beer and schnapps, but primarily medicines and medical equipment. So who will suffer most from a complete embargo?
        1. 0
          3 March 2024 17: 23
          Let's not get involved in economic matters. We receive something from Germany and it is vital for us. In particular, this is related to medicine, pharmacology and environmental issues.
    3. +1
      2 March 2024 18: 26
      Quote: hohohol
      You need to keep an eye on the market. And in general, what a disaster this is. Merkel's American friends bugged him, and what can we say about the generals, these, as they say, were ordered by God himself.

      So, Merkelsha’s wiretapping can be said to be an internal matter of the American-European serpentarium, and for Germany I couldn’t imagine anything worse than the publication of data that she wears underpants with a hammer and sickle, but here, whatever one may say, it smells of nuclear dust because... there is a “casus belli”, since the complicity in the war between the Chancellor and the Bundeswehr is obvious.
      I think ordinary Germans are a little freaked out by the fact that because of the foolishness of the ruling political and military elite, who are hanging around with mattresses behind them, they can become bargaining chips because of some kind of unfinished Ukraine.
      1. 0
        3 March 2024 00: 09
        I'm an American, and I'm more than "a little freaked out" by this leaked communication. If I read it with a Russian perspective it is alarming. An experienced boxer would say that his opponent is
        "telegraphing his punch" and act accordingly.
        1. 0
          3 March 2024 17: 27
          My friend, here in Russia we are already accustomed to everything and are not surprised by anything. Just a habit of national fatalism.
    4. +1
      2 March 2024 18: 38
      Quote: hohohol
      Merkel's friends were wiretapped by the Americans, but what can we say about the generals?
      Americans can not only eavesdrop, but also spy in a friendly manner. Even if she found a hidden video camera in her toilet with the inscription “Made in the USA”, she would not remove it.
  2. +3
    2 March 2024 15: 51
    For the Germans, it is a disaster that they were overheard, and not that their actions could start a third world war. Lavrov in the studio
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      1. +5
        2 March 2024 16: 55
        It's sad that you think so, you generalize too much, many Germans want peace with Russia, some also want a union. Remember: the German Bundeswehr is an auxiliary force for the Americans, it was created only for this purpose. The uniform may have historical German echoes, but otherwise this army does not defend Germany, but represents US interests. If you listen to the conversation between the generals, it is full of anglicisms, you will understand whose brainchild these people are. Berliner Zeitung and Der Spiegel are transatlantic propaganda organs - they constantly repeat the Pentagon narrative, but they also do not represent German interests and certainly do not reflect German opinion. Translated from Deepl, I hope you can read this.
      2. -1
        2 March 2024 17: 28
        Quote: NG inform
        that if the Germans remained the same savages, then they need to end.

        You can't make a man out of a monkey, but you can make a monkey out of a man. That's what we see now.
      3. +3
        2 March 2024 19: 55
        Quote: NG inform
        The Germans must be exterminated as especially dangerous repeat offenders.

        Have you ever wondered how you, with such an opinion, differ from one figure of the 20th century with a mustache? I forgot my last name - I also wanted to completely destroy nations... as soon as I remember, I’ll send you the last name - buy a portrait - hang it at home - the ideology is the same... and why not? You are really voicing his position, but he wasn’t talking about the Germans.. In history it was like this: the people of the USSR - after all the troubles that Nazi Germany brought, the Germans were not exterminated.. because they were not fascists..
        1. 0
          3 March 2024 01: 11
          It was a mistake. It was necessary to take revenge.
          1. 0
            3 March 2024 08: 10
            Quote: Sergey Prutkov55
            It was a mistake. It was necessary to take revenge.

            The GDR members were the best allies of the entire Department of Internal Affairs
      4. 0
        3 March 2024 17: 30
        The Germans are also different. And a lot could be learned from those previous Germans. They were blown up by WWII when the best died. WWII also “killed” the French nation.
  3. +5
    2 March 2024 15: 54
    That is, for them, the fact that these conversations were intercepted is a disaster, and not the fact of the conversation itself, not the very fact of the Bundeswehr planning attacks on Russia, not the very fact of the Germans being drawn into a war with Russia! However... How short is memory... Or is it just another desire to take revenge for the past?...
  4. +3
    2 March 2024 15: 59
    Stirlitz’s son? Who leaked it, Scholz is very worried. He’ll give a beating in a minute, not for what they discussed, but for getting caught. By the way, the Germans have set up two or three LNG terminals on the coast.
  5. +2
    2 March 2024 16: 06
    ..this incident shows how low the level of communications security is in the German army

    On the one hand, of course, it’s a disgrace. I myself also thought about what means of communication they used - Skype or a meeting via Zoom? ))
    On the other hand, such bungling clearly highlights the level of fearlessness - it doesn’t matter, there is no one to listen to except the Americans - that’s why they weren’t encrypted, and just didn’t call Crimea and Rostov by their proper names
  6. +1
    2 March 2024 16: 08
    As for me, the Germans were merged here by their own “brothers in arms”. Communication systems and other gadgets are a different question. The Germans were merged by the allies to solve obvious problems. First of all, not to give Germany a chance for independence and thus force them to supply missiles to Kiev .The second and also obvious is to heat up the tension between European NATO and Moscow even more. What will Moscow do in response? So far we see nothing. Except for the next statements. Macron, by the way, is here with his statements. This is all a well-thought-out operation. The goal is clear, it’s starting NATO’s preparation for possible actions against the Russian Federation. Macron’s random attacks, the conversations of the Germans, are just conversations for now, but actions will follow, there is no doubt about it.
  7. +2
    2 March 2024 16: 11
    Každý kdo má mobil je odposoucháván do obrovské paměti v USA, so to řekl Snowden.
    1. +2
      2 March 2024 16: 12
      In the US, everyone with a cell phone has an amazing memory, that's what Snowden said.
  8. +2
    2 March 2024 16: 22
    ...The interception and publication of a conversation between the Bundeswehr military is a disaster for the army... I strongly suspect that this could be a disaster for Germany
  9. -2
    2 March 2024 16: 24
    All this is interesting...
    We listened to a conversation between several military men, and even those discussing the destruction of the most important facility for us in the military infrastructure. That's right - right on the bull's eye! Hit 100%
    And the fact that we were led by the nose with the Minsk agreements for several years (!!!) - no, not in a dream, not in spirit...

    so was there an interception?
    or is this neatly presented misinformation?
    1. +3
      2 March 2024 16: 31
      And, you, try to think: we discussed it on the phone, a conversation with Singapore. The conversation is private, most likely. This is not misinformation: a private conversation between high-ranking officers.
  10. 0
    2 March 2024 16: 25
    With the same success they could discuss their ideas with us, at VO.
  11. 0
    2 March 2024 16: 32
    Someone didn’t believe me when I wrote that a war with Ukraine is inevitable, then they laughed when I argued that the next mongrels who would be set on us would be Poland and Romania. I sit silently and quietly about future actions.
  12. K_4
    -7
    2 March 2024 16: 43
    Guys, wait, who should we fight with? Alas, we are not ancestors, and there are fewer of us, but there are many more of them. And we didn’t have five-year plans for the shock restoration of industry, but on the contrary, everything that was possible fell apart, and, let’s be honest, this process continues. In addition, young people are not ready to get up to the machines, especially since they have been infused with Western values. And we have a hard time with real specialists. If a new mobilization is announced in the near future (as they are planning to do), many will go, especially considering how the mobs are being pressed into action without a deadline or any certainty? But won’t we get a bunch of runners again, and even the possibility of a riot, especially considering the national government policy? And how much do we need for the war? 2, 3 million, more? Why fight? For the yachts, the deputy, for the oligarchs who are out of their minds, for the bankers, and maybe for the Russians too, who are being brought in in clouds? Come on, even if we put this aside, where is the national idea, where are the firmly defined goals? No matter how much I dislike the authorities, someone there understands everything perfectly and holds their horses. And don’t talk about nuclear weapons - this is really a last resort, a last resort and it’s not a fact that they will be used.
  13. +2
    2 March 2024 16: 57
    It is infuriating that German generals discuss top-secret topics as if they had never heard of wiretapping.

    What is characteristic is that the scandal is not about the bazaar, but about the fact that they got caught.
  14. -2
    2 March 2024 17: 49
    And what will happen to the German army - will sleep disappear because of this disaster?
  15. 0
    2 March 2024 18: 47
    we all know but we just hold on
    1. +1
      3 March 2024 01: 09
      Everyone knows that the Americans DID NOT FLY to the Moon. But they keep the information. For what ? Let them amuse themselves that they are ahead of the rest? And the most advanced ones promote their flights for grants. Clowns.
  16. 0
    2 March 2024 19: 17
    It’s difficult to talk about a catastrophe... It’s a completely normal situation when the rules for exchanging information through military communication channels are violated... More from “King Pea” - “wiretapping” was, is and will be, and not only in the Bundeswehr... Just a peaceful and satisfying life , for decades, in Germany, “relaxed” not only the “Bundesbürger”, but also the Bundeswehr... And this is always fraught... The main thing is that domestic specialists in this type of activity have unlimited opportunities, and that “decision makers” - political will and "iron........." And we will be happy...
  17. 0
    2 March 2024 19: 40
    Quote: K_4
    Guys, wait, who should we fight with? Alas, we are not ancestors, and there are fewer of us, but there are many more of them. And we didn’t have five-year plans for the shock restoration of industry, but on the contrary, everything that was possible fell apart, and, let’s be honest, this process continues. In addition, young people are not ready to get up to the machines, especially since they have been infused with Western values. And we have a hard time with real specialists. If a new mobilization is announced in the near future (as they are planning to do), many will go, especially considering how the mobs are being pressed into action without a deadline or any certainty? But won’t we get a bunch of runners again, and even the possibility of a riot, especially considering the national government policy? And how much do we need for the war? 2, 3 million, more? Why fight? For the yachts, the deputy, for the oligarchs who are out of their minds, for the bankers, and maybe for the Russians too, who are being brought in in clouds? Come on, even if we put this aside, where is the national idea, where are the firmly defined goals? No matter how much I dislike the authorities, someone there understands everything perfectly and holds their horses. And don’t talk about nuclear weapons - this is really a last resort, a last resort and it’s not a fact that they will be used.

    I understand that you had a sad day yesterday; you saw off your leader. Now you’ve decided to whine here, otherwise no one is listening anymore.
    1. +2
      2 March 2024 22: 32
      Dear alexleony! It’s in vain that you “attacked” “K_4” so much... This is how he sees the development of the situation in Russia and on the LBS... And his conclusions are not without historical meaning, if you “turn your head on” and think about what has been said... It is difficult to build a new society , a state with new views and social principles on the “foundation” of oligarchic, clan capitalism without an ideological basis, which Russia was deprived of 30 years ago... This is what “K_4” told about.....
  18. 0
    2 March 2024 20: 59
    -Their generals were talking about explosions and attacks?! What are you talking about... Not about fishing, not about a sauna with signalmen?! ... It's outrageous! laughing
  19. 0
    2 March 2024 21: 42
    This incident shows how low the level of communications security is in the German army. In addition, it is outrageous that German generals discuss top-secret topics as if they had never heard of wiretapping. According to some reports, the officers conducted a conversation over open channels on the WebEx platform.


    Wow... :)
    Our generals command military operations via cell phones...
    Some were covered with artillery
    The other day the formation was covered with art, they also claim it was because of cell phones
    And this is not the first time...
    Second year of learning disability...
    From the first days there was no communication security...
    If it weren't for the volunteers...
    However, what the Russians don't give a fuck about is death for the Germans
    1. 0
      2 March 2024 22: 50
      Dear "Sedoy"! Gen is not here. The headquarters is to blame, or the generals and colonels... And not the work and “gifts” of volunteers... Years of a quiet life, even in the army, “relaxed” l/s, of all categories, and weaned him from elementary self-discipline, with rare exceptions. .. For which, now, we are paying “200” and 300”... And “secure communication” is a “phantom”... Any communication is monitored, recorded and “transformed” into “arrivals” 24/7, if not basic rules for conducting negotiations through military communication channels are being followed, or “don’t care” about the use of civilian means and communication channels... Something like this...
  20. 0
    3 March 2024 01: 14
    They will still be surprised by many things. This is their lot. All wealth estimates are nonsense. Russia is the richest on Earth. But for now it's a secret.
  21. 0
    3 March 2024 02: 36
    Now we need to officially hold a conversation on TV between Shoigu and VVP on the topic of how many Sarmat missiles are needed to turn Germany into radioactive ash...
  22. 0
    3 March 2024 07: 50
    Europe, and even the states, are flooded with refugees of all kinds in astronomical numbers. Is there really no one to encourage these masses to riot in the direction we need?
  23. 0
    4 March 2024 03: 18
    You can throw missiles, you can start a third world war, but you can’t use your tongue. Strange logic!