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Scout Tu-214P may become another victim of the campaign against the Russian aviation industry.

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4 January this year, "Izvestia" reported that "the Ministry of Defense plans to abandon the purchase of a reconnaissance aircraft Tu-214Р." Referring to the unnamed "source in the General Staff of the Armed Forces." According to this source, the Main Intelligence Directorate, to which the aircraft belongs, remained displeased with the machine first of all during the flight and prepares a letter with complaints addressed to the minister with a proposal to refuse further purchases of the Tu-214Р. This already sounds strange, since the duration of the flight was known to the military even before placing an order for the plane. However, this does not end the list of claims, according to the same “source”, for the on-board equipment to work, “the car must perform the flight very smoothly”, and the Tu-214 has an inappropriate airframe for it - at low speeds it allegedly loses stability and begins to “scour” and "pilots have to spend a lot of strength to hold it." At the same time, the “source” cites for comparison the turboprop Il-20, which is now in service with aerial reconnaissance, and which “is capable of circling around the target at ultralow speeds of up to five hours”. Apparently the military customer was not aware of the differences between jet and turboprop aircraft, once ordered a jet, but requires the features of a turboprop from it ...

In fact, all these voiced claims do not show the flaws of the new Tu-214Р, which, as Izvestia has repeatedly noted, was photographed by the Japanese (apparently hinting that it was these flaws that allowed him to photograph), but the incompetence of the source. Either it is a lie of the newspaper itself, since the source is not called. We have our own alternative source, much closer to testing. I also will not call him, let the reader himself think whose words should be trusted more. He stated the following:

"I personally know and talked with the very commander of the reconnaissance detachment and his navigator, who conducted the crew along this route along the shores of Japan. And I can say that the crew liked the plane, they are delighted with it. Some technical details should be improved, but these are trifles A special mode of operation of the engines and autopilot will be introduced for low speeds, although low speeds do not need it, cruising is quite suitable because it is a strategic reconnaissance aircraft (IL-20 tactical front-line reconnaissance aircraft). ota is very good, you can fly around Japan, 10-14 hours. To abandon it is not speech, lie "Izvestia". "

Scout Tu-214P may become another victim of the campaign against the Russian aviation industry.


Well, about what is happening in the depths of the General Staff, my source cannot know. This is a pilot, not a staff officer. But he knows for sure that the tests were successful, that the crew is satisfied with the plane. And the difference in the appointment of IL-20 and Tu-214Р understands very well, because he flies on IL-20. And the question arises - who is lying here? Who is cunning? The article itself in "Izvestia" gives a hint:



Oleg Panteleev, editor-in-chief of the Aviation Portal industry portal, explained to Izvestia that the military are cunning, making claims to the aircraft designers. - The military from the very beginning knew the parameters of the base model Tu-214, its minimum locking speed, flight range, time spent in the air. Therefore, if something did not suit them, it was necessary to immediately talk about it. It makes no sense to expect from a jet aircraft the same characteristics as from a turboprop. Therefore, the only option here is not to bother the designers, but to take another plane, ”explained Panteleyev. http://izvestia.ru/news/542493



Here I would not follow the prompt of "Izvestia" directly. Why should the military be cunning here? The characteristics of the aircraft were known in advance and for the strategic intelligence officer they are ideal. There are no claims to the designers, they can not be. The plane flew off perfectly and it is not “stealth”, it allows you to take pictures of yourself. Let the Japanese admire, there is no need to constantly hint at this fact, this intelligence officer simply should not enter the zone of the enemy’s air defense. The flight duration is more than 10 hours and it is much longer than that of IL-20. And he is not a substitute for him, this is a different class of machine, it has twice as many reconnaissance equipment. Yes, the IL-20 tactical reconnaissance also needs to be replaced, and therefore it is possible to talk about the IL-114, which has long been developed to replace planes of this class. But instead of producing IL-114 (quite successful and still modern today!), We prefer to buy ATR-72, which is ill adapted to the climate of Russia. 2 April 2012 of the year ATR-72 crashed near Tyumen, the main version of the reason is icing. But disasters do not teach our officials from the aviation industry. Rather, they use them for their own purposes. How? About this below.



29 last December, the Red Wings airline Tu-204 with the tail number RA 64047 of the airline rolled into Vnukovo and rolled out of the runway and crashed. The media have been savoring this catastrophe for a very long time.

Killed 5 people from the crew of the aircraft, the passengers on board was not. According to the results of the investigation of the MAC, the reason was the non-response of the reverse system. The media immediately recalled a similar incident with the Tu-204 21 December 2012 at Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport, just a week before. Then it was suddenly discovered that during December there were as many 5 similar incidents with Tu-204 Red Wings aircraft. And this allowed the “Rosavitsii” to express its intention to withdraw the flight certificate of the Red Wings. Given that Red Wings is currently the main operator of Tu-204 - in the company 8 liners of this type. And formally, everything is correct, if the operation of this aircraft is dangerous, then it should be banned. However, the Tu-204 fly is not the first year, and similar troubles with him had not previously been noticed. A Tu-214 generally flew more than a dozen years and was considered very economical and reliable. But by now all the operators of the carcasses have either gone bankrupt or have lost their license. This has already been written here.



Although I will make a small remark. The Tu-204 operators are still Vladivostok Avia (6 Tu-214) and Transaero (2 Tu-204С and 3 Tu-214), except for this 3 Tu-204С cargo trucks use Aviastar-TU. After the bankruptcy of Vladivostok Avia in November 2011, its controlling stake was acquired by Aeroflot. The national carrier wanted to make Vladivostok Avia its regional unit, which will carry out transportation exclusively in the Far East. In this regard, in the 2012, the Vladivostok Avia fleet was planned to be reorganized: long-range Tu-204-300 and А330 airliners should be decommissioned, and the fleet will consist only of the A320 and Sukhoi Superjet 100 families, and possibly , An-148. That is, Aeroflot had to fulfill the plans of Russian Technologies to eliminate the Tu-204 from the operators (these plans will be discussed a little later). However, for some reason, the implementation of these plans was delayed and the Tu-204 is still flying from Vladivostok to Seoul and Chita. Moreover, Vladivostok Avia, which ordered 204 machines, is still on the list of customers for the Tu-6CM. However, in accordance with the policy of the new owner, it is unlikely that these orders will be confirmed - Aeroflot got those new Boeings that bought Russian Technologies. Although the national carrier, fundamentally rejecting domestic technology, has not yet refused to use it in the regions. One desire was not enough, for the replacement of aircraft need more and money. But, as Wikipedia reports, in 2013, the money will certainly be found for this. To send the "carcass" for scrapping their own banks will allocate money.



About “Transaero” was also written. The company uses the Tu-214 and ordered them again, but AOK canceled the order for their own reasons by offering Superjet instead of carcasses. At the same cost, but taking on board two times less passengers and flying at a distance of two times less. Turn away from such a "lucrative" proposal Transaero could not. To this it is necessary to add that effective operation in an airline can be achieved only if there are more than a dozen planes of the same type. Then the maintenance of the aircraft is not so expensive, it is distributed to the entire fleet. Therefore, 3 Tu-214 Transaero can become a burden for the company, which, apparently, was achieved by the leadership of the KLA (the former, represented by Pogosyan). Anyway, the “last of the magikans” remains Lebedev’s Red Wings company, which now has only 8 Tu-204. For some reason, this private company is still at war with Russian officials over this aircraft. And this war did not start after the Vnukovo catastrophe, Rosaviatsiya as early as April 2012 threatened to deprive the carrier of the license. Then Rosaviation "had questions about the certification of the newly appointed general director of the carrier, Leonid Itskov." Lebedev somehow managed to answer these “questions”. But now they took him seriously.

Once again I want to note the strangeness of the situation - the state-owned company Aeroflot flies on Boeing and Airbus and enjoys all sorts of preferences from the government (for example, loans for leasing Boeing’s from VTB), and the private Red Wings company that uses domestic ones carcass, "subjected to all sorts of persecutions. And she is not alone! I gave examples of bankruptcies of companies operating Tu-214. In the wake of the 2008 crisis of the year, they could have been supported, but the government chose not to. It was concerned about the creation of a new airline under the wing of Russian Technologies, where they planned to collect all bankrupt assets. All but Tu-214, which for some reason were considered "obsolete." Airlines could not be created, but they managed to buy 50 Boeings for $ 2,5 billion. And when these "obsolete" Tu-214, which were put under the hammer, decided to purchase a small but independent airline Aerostars in their decisions, they immediately deprived it of a license. That same "Rosaviatsia" suddenly showed vigilance and activity. It turned out that the company has a violation of the rules of hours on the aircraft! The severity of such a decision contrasts with the liberal attitude towards carriers using imported equipment.

And here I will also give an example of the crash of the Airbus A310 in Irkutsk. Carefully consider the reasons - the plane "failed to stop on the runway, rolled out of its borders and crashed into a garage complex located nearby." The subsequent investigation showed that the plane "was dropped from the lane by the left engine, which suddenly switched to take-off mode at the moment when the reverse engine was turned on." Of the people on board 203, the 124 people died as a result of the fire. The accident was attributed to the pilots' error, although the IAC investigation showed that the malfunction of the A-310 reverse system was known prior to departure and for some reason this did NOT violate the rules of operation of this vessel. Although at the time of departure there were 5 unresolved failures! Were the organizational findings from the disaster, where the person's 124 burned to death? Not! And the media are not so actively relished the deaths of people, although they usually devote most of their time to this. But "Rosaviatsia" deprives the license of the carrier, where only a raid on the clock was violated. And I do not see the logic here, I see a very obvious policy. And this POLICY will surely work now for Red Wings. On the Tu-204 will be put the final cross. And with this, the cross will be put on the entire Russian aviation industry. The fact that the Superjet is another tool for its destruction, I have already written. The GSS bankruptcy is not far off, it is obvious and was originally planned. But Pogosyan’s company did its job, having played the role of a financial shunt that had withdrawn funding from the entire Russian aviation industry.



Returning to the beginning of the conversation about the scout Tu-214P, which also turned out to be a “bad plane”, I would like to note the scale of the organizational activity of the marketing department of Boeing. Well, about kickbacks in 10% of the cost of the aircraft being acquired, rumors have been circulating for a long time and are no longer surprising. Therefore, it is easy to explain the behavior of individual officials of the KLA and Rosaviation. However, it does not concern only the bribing of officials. Activities for the destruction of the Russian aviation industry, for the destruction of a potentially dangerous competitor - the Tu-204CM, are striking in their scale! Mass media, politicians, officials, banks, leasing companies, everything is involved. Let me remind you that the Tu-204CM - a fundamentally new car, despite the old name. There is a new avionics, a new engine, a new APU. And with smaller changes, Western companies give very loud names to their liners. And if the former Tupolev family of the Tu-204 family could be reproached for something (for example, a flight engineer requirement), then the Tu-204CM is no longer what. It is completely up to date, modern avionics allows it to do without a flight engineer, a very modern glider with excellent aerodynamics, economical engines. And it costs 2,5-3 times less than the western counterpart. What else is needed? And you need a bank loan for its leasing. Our airline will not receive it. But it’s easy to get an old Boeing for leasing.



And what's more, the sudden incidents with Tu-204 in December, which became frequent, make it possible to believe that the special services are not on the sidelines. Boeing is not a simple corporation, it is part of the US military-industrial complex, part of the state military machine. It is in her interest to destroy the Russian rival who has a developed technical school since the time of the USSR. And the special services for this may well be involved. For them to arrange minor problems in the system of the reverse of the aircraft is not difficult. It should not be like a terrorist attack, it should be like a malfunction. And because spoil the grease in the engines of the Tu-204 is not too difficult. After all, once the CIA has already used sabotage to organize the disasters of Soviet missiles, and even organized the hijacking of aircraft. Today in the tasks of the CIA is not only sabotage, but also industrial espionage, quite officially. It is clear that the participation of the special services is only a version that comes from strange coincidences, there is no evidence. But the plane has flown for many years without incident. Why now suddenly? And why does Izvestia publish their "duck" about the Ministry of Defense’s refusal of Tu-214Р immediately after stories with a disaster in Vnukovo? And these constant attempts by Rosaviation to deprive the license of the main operator Tu-204? I do not believe in random coincidences here. The victim could not accidentally fall on the same knife eight times.

And I want to remind what is actually being said. On the division of the aviation market in the tens of billions of dollars. The needs of the Russian market for Tu-204 aircraft are about a hundred cars a year! In 2011, the country's fleet replenished 150 aircraft. And, of course, not from domestic producers. The words about the fact that the airlines themselves decide here are not at all true. Leasing companies decide here and they do not make decisions on their own either - they are financed by banks. The same purchases by Russian Technologies Boeing financed an American bank. His loan was linked precisely with the purchase of specific Boeing liners. The one who pays is the one who orders the music. And if we want our own domestic aviation industry, then it will be necessary to correct the situation here not only with the eradication of corruption by officials. The credit policy of domestic banks will also have to be adjusted.
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  1. YARY
    YARY 3 February 2013 06: 53
    13 th
    Muttoten! And it's a shame that the GRU was smeared with peddlers' shit!
    1. Tsoi is alive
      Tsoi is alive 3 February 2013 11: 06
      +7
      January 4 this year Izvestia reported that "the Ministry of Defense plans to abandon the purchase of the Tu-214R reconnaissance aircraft." Citing an unnamed "source in the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces."

      You can not read further!
      Journalists wrote this report on January 4 http://izvestia.ru/news/542493.
      New Year may give rise to hallucinations! request
  2. Nymp
    Nymp 3 February 2013 07: 04
    40
    For some reason, whenever our industry creates cool cars, there are "independent" media and "competent sources" throwing mud at our designers and industrialists. If you are so honest and independent, be honest; who paid you the crap?
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 3 February 2013 10: 50
      21
      Quote: Nymp
      "independent" media and "competent sources"

      I see two possible aspects here; Firstly, the previously respectable newspaper Izvestia has become someone's private mouthpiece and sooooo often throws out blatant misconceptions, forming an "abcian doubt", the impression is that there journalists are completely engaged in "jeans". Secondly, which is much worse, it is possible that the "stool" attitude from the army has not yet begun to leave and the command decided to "catch the catch" from Boeing or someone else. It is clear that the level of the aviation industry has fallen over the past 20 years, but it is necessary to rise sometime. In 1941, our planes were losing to the Luftwaffe in almost all respects, for some time they were rescued by American cars, but already in 1944 (in the conditions of war and total shortage!), Machines were created that surpassed the imported animal and enemy counterparts! And "if tomorrow is a war, if tomorrow is on a campaign," what, on Boeings or Airbuses, will we fight until the first breakdown?
    2. VAF
      VAF 3 February 2013 11: 40
      15
      Quote: Nymp
      If you are so honest and independent, then be honest; Who paid you the rubbish?


      And what, it is very difficult to guess .. where .. "ears grow" ????? +! bully

      Only Super-Duper and more in general ... no planes are needed ... well, Boeings and Airbuses with .. "trash heaps"!

      About the disaster in Vnukovo there ..100% crew fault !!!! And the media appearances of respected civil aviation pilots is an attempt to relieve themselves of responsibility for the LEVEL of the flight training that is THE BEST at the moment and nothing else ... GREEN GRANDS ... overlap EVERYTHING, unfortunately! soldier
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 3 February 2013 11: 55
        +6
        Quote: vaf
        .Grandmothers green .. overlap EVERYTHING, unfortunately!

        Serga, hello! And conscience including, for where there was something else there was conscience repeat has grown ...
        1. VAF
          VAF 3 February 2013 12: 12
          10
          Quote: Tersky
          And conscience including, for where there was something else there was conscience


          Victor, welcome! I completely agree, +! Only I .. "softer" will show, and then the .moders will be deleted! wassat

          1. Tersky
            Tersky 3 February 2013 12: 30
            +8
            Quote: vaf
            Only I .. will show "softer"

            ! good ! Or so:
            1. VAF
              VAF 3 February 2013 12: 56
              +2
              Quote: Tersky
              Or so:


              Direct hit +! fellow 000/000 drinks

            2. Kaa
              Kaa 3 February 2013 16: 41
              +4
              Quote: Tersky
              Or so:

              Best of all, the girl is decorated with panties on the ankles ... repeat
          2. Kaa
            Kaa 3 February 2013 16: 38
            +5
            Quote: vaf
            I'll show you "softer", otherwise the moderators will delete!

            Finally, you need to remove ... but I'm also a man ... in the prime of life ... my hand does not rise ... let someone else encroach on this wink
          3. bask
            bask 3 February 2013 23: 04
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            Yu! I completely agree, +! Only I .. will show "softer", otherwise .m

            I have a conscience that was prettier .. hi
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 3 February 2013 16: 35
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        About the disaster in Vnukovo there ..100% of the crew’s fault!

        Dear vaf! It was infa that the reverse was not included, is it true or not, if so, is it a hardware malfunction or did the crew simply go wrong?
        1. VAF
          VAF 3 February 2013 20: 41
          +6
          Quote: Kaa
          Passed that the reverse was not included,


          Dear Kaa, I was forced to leave .. for technical reasons, but below I have more or less dedicated this catastrophe in detail, and even earlier a few days ago it was the same .. there in more detail.
          But in a nutshell, I repeat - whatever the AT failures, this is what pilots exist for, and not for that. what would be "stupid" to sit in armchairs in white shirts and watch a car coming into the machine for landing!
          Such concepts as preliminary preparation for flights are completely absent from the "commerce", and training on aviation equipment for special occasions in flight ... almost never ..... well, if some company ate for a simulator (one flight) , and even then ...
          And how they are preparing now (for a long time by the way) civilian pilots and how they themselves are preparing for flights .. I know firsthand. I myself watched for almost 7 years !!!
          It's just awful!!! The only thing - the decision to take off and land is made by the PIC - it is worth such that he would stop flying on our "comers" forever, if there is no way to find out who will be the PIC before departure!
          And the reverse ... well, the reverse ... there are emergency brakes, engine shutdowns. Running from the runway to the ground and to the snow ... right up to the landing gear, and a lot of things ... and all these operations take 2 up to 6 seconds.

          And it all comes down to them - we have an experienced pilot, what is an experienced pilot? in the fact that it has a crappy cloud of raid (manure, as we say, since it is considered a raid flight at a constant flight level on VT marked PFP and VOR / DME ... this can be done in a short time and a monkey or a bear can be taught to "pedal", by the way about legs .. there is a problem for citizens in general. especially on cars with top stabilizers!

          Generally BLU pilots 100% 'I soldier
      3. Kaa
        Kaa 3 February 2013 22: 34
        +2
        Quote: vaf
        And what, it is very difficult to guess .. where .. "ears grow"

        And Izvestia's ears are long, white and fluffy, maybe even with white ribbons.:
        "At the moment, 51 percent of the newspaper belongs to NMG, which is co-owned by Yuri Kovalchuk.
        In 1991, physicist Yuri Kovalchuk abandoned science to become a banker. He graduated from the physics department of Leningrad University, graduate school of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR, defended his candidate and doctoral degree. In 1987, 36 years old, became the first deputy of Zhores Alferov, director of the Physics and Technology Institute (FTI) named after A.F. Ioffe. In 1988 received the USSR State Prize. And then he went into business. Kovalchuk, Yakunin and Fursenko organized a non-profit Center for Advanced Technologies and Developments, then an Engineering and Technology Center based on the enterprise SEC “Svetlana”. One of their projects was the Obkomov Bank "Russia". The first founders of "Russia" were management of the affairs of the Leningrad Regional Committee of the CPSU (48,4%) and the state production and technical association “Russian Video” (43,6%). Kovalchuk, according to the bank’s statements, became deputy chairman of the board of directors in December 1992 According to Katkov, Kirish oil traders transferred calculations to "Russia". In 1999, Katkov became chairman of the board of directors of the bank. In July 2001, instead of IPP, Kinex became the shareholder of Russia By the time Kinex collapsed Bank has acquired a new influential shareholder - Severstal Group. In December 2003, she laid out a record for those times 8,8 million rubles for an 600% stake in Russia. - the same amount at that time was the capital of the bank. Mordashov’s company helped the bank acquire Sogaz, which its main owner and client, Gazprom, recognized as a non-core asset. The client was disclosed in the Sogaz reporting for the I quarter of 2005: 51% of the company belongs to the 100% “daughter” of “Russia” - the company “Abros” Having passed under the control of “Russia”, “Sogaz” began to grow rapidly. In 2004, the premium of the companies included in the group amounted to 12,9 billion rubles, in 2007 - 36,6 billion rubles. (2,8 times growth, 2nd place in Russia) Gazfond and Leader helped Russia gain control of Gazprom’s next non-core asset, Gazprombank (Gazprom had 87,5%). Severstal-group and Surgutneftegaz helped lay the foundation of Russia's own media holding. In 2005-2007 together with Abros, they participated in the purchase of shares in the television channels of the St. Petersburg and Ren TV shopping malls VTB and Sberbank assisted in the construction of the Rossiya media holding
        OLIGARCHAT FOODS FROM 850 MLN. BACKS RULE THE FAMOUS NEWSPAPER AND TV AND ORDER MUSIC. WHY ARE WE SURPRISED WHEN WE READ THE "ORDER" ?! THE PICTURE IS CLICKABLE
    3. Nechai
      Nechai 3 February 2013 13: 34
      +5
      So the iPhone said clearly - there is no need to intersect and create competition for the aviation corporations of our (yeah, theirs) partners! Neither reduce nor add ...
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 3 February 2013 14: 18
        +2
        "The Tu-214R scout may become another victim of the campaign against the Russian aircraft industry." - the author forgot to continue - CARRIED OUT by the government of the Russian Federation together with the command of the WTO!
    4. Kaa
      Kaa 3 February 2013 16: 26
      +5
      Quote: Nymp
      admit honestly; Who paid you the rubbish?

      And paid by those who print such portraits in unlimited quantities ...
    5. Dilshat
      Dilshat 3 February 2013 20: 37
      +3
      "Izvestia" has long been anti-Russian media. Constantly condemn Russian technology.
  3. AlexxxNik
    AlexxxNik 3 February 2013 07: 42
    +6
    you are amazed how easy it is, with the help of just financial instruments, even attempts to go our own way break down
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 3 February 2013 08: 57
      +3
      This suggests that the top or the CBR is involved, and the mouths of the mouth will not open without a command. So Shoigu is against our aircraft industry, so Shoigu is the same as a stool, So Putin had a distracting maneuver with the Moscow Defense Forces, famously, and I thought Putin was OUR, and he turned out to be a true member of PViZh !!
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 3 February 2013 11: 08
        +5
        Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
        So Shoigu against our aircraft industry, so Shoigu is the same as the stool

        Well, it's you in vain! How many Shoigu is there? You already want him once and for all questions, today. In six months, it will be possible to say something definite about his activities. IMHO
      2. Nick
        Nick 3 February 2013 15: 55
        -2
        Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
        So Shoigu is against our aircraft industry, so Shoigu is the same as a stool, So Putin had a distracting maneuver with the Ministry of Defense, famously

        Something too hasty and far-reaching conclusions you do out of the blue. Too emotional, just like a woman.
        Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
        and I thought that Putin is OUR,

        No, Putin is a real man, he is ours, and not homosexuals and other trash with Bolotnaya.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 3 February 2013 09: 45
      10
      Quote: AlexxxNik
      you are amazed how easy it is, with the help of just financial instruments, even attempts to go our own way break down

      Previously, such an approach (such a choice of technology) was called WRECK. In modern times, this word has been removed (banned) from circulation. And without it you can say anything: a bad manager, you didn’t calculate the profit, you made a mistake when choosing a strategy, etc., etc.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 3 February 2013 11: 11
        +8
        Quote: Tersky
        Previously, such an approach (such a choice of technology) was called WRECK.

        So after all, if you call everything by its proper name, the question immediately becomes, "so what to do with such?" - "And we are not 37th year" Oh well!
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 3 February 2013 11: 40
          +7
          Quote: Egoza
          So after all, if you call everything by their proper names,

          Good health, Elena! It's time to call a spade a spade, a thief, a thief, and not the Russian Defense Ministry, a traitor, a traitor, and not the first president of the USSR
          1. Nick
            Nick 3 February 2013 15: 57
            +2
            Quote: Tersky
            It's time to call a spade a spade, a thief, a thief, and not the Russian Defense Ministry, a traitor, a traitor, and not the first president of the USSR

            This is true! It is high time!
          2. Kaa
            Kaa 3 February 2013 16: 44
            +5
            Quote: Tersky
            not the first president of the USSR

            True, the FIRST (in importance) US RESIDENT!
        2. VAF
          VAF 3 February 2013 12: 15
          +5
          Quote: Egoza
          "And we are not in the 37th year" Oh well!


          Ay, beautifully said, or rather ..... quoted wink ... bravo! +!

          1. Kaa
            Kaa 3 February 2013 16: 46
            +2
            Quote: vaf
            VAF

            This is by chance, isn't the Behemoth from The Master and Margarita? If he can help to restore order in the RF Ministry of Defense?
        3. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 3 February 2013 14: 20
          +5
          And what is the 13th year worse than the 37th? The fifth column must be destroyed in any year!
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 3 February 2013 11: 19
        10
        Quote: Tersky
        Previously, such an approach (such a choice of technology) was called WRECK.

        And so that such sabotage would not happen (remember the purchase of substandard Junkers in the 20s), "bloody Stalin" created sinister little scuffles - and in a year the plane was "put on the wing", they received Stalin's prizes, orders, mansions, cars and created a Soviet school aircraft construction. There is something useful in this. what
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 3 February 2013 11: 31
          +7
          Quote: Kaa
          Something in this is useful

          Greetings, wise Kaa! Sometimes something new is forgotten old yes
        2. wax
          wax 3 February 2013 14: 27
          +5
          Stalin was the boss (without colleagues, friends and favorites). Mistaken, not without this, but he bent all enemies and saboteurs to the fullest.
    3. kosmos44
      kosmos44 3 February 2013 10: 10
      +7
      Quote: AlexxxNik
      you are amazed how easy it is, with the help of just financial instruments, even attempts to go our own way break down


      It's just that now "the upper classes do not want to live in the old way, and the lower classes in the new".
      1. Civil
        Civil 3 February 2013 10: 38
        +1
        Didn’t the Tupolev Design Bureau finally collapse?
  4. EvilDentist
    EvilDentist 3 February 2013 07: 46
    11
    NIMP - he himself answered his own question)) And "Izvestia" is another mouthpiece of propaganda, clearly not ours, even though the name is Soviet and well-known, is not inferior to Lenta.ru No.
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 3 February 2013 08: 00
      +8
      Yes EvilDentist,I agree! You see, I still can't get used to the fact that such publications as Izvestia are now the 5th column. And you renamed the tape.ru correctly, here I am completely your ally.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 3 February 2013 21: 48
        +2
        Quote: EvilDentist
        Izvestia is another mouthpiece for propaganda, clearly not ours, even though the name is Soviet and well-known, it is not inferior to Lenta.vru
        The current owners of the newspaper are media mogul from St. Petersburg Yuri Kovalchuk and the Sogaz group. United Russia party functionary Ilya Kiselev has been hired as deputy editor-in-chief.> Http://www.onlinegazeta.info/isvestiya-gazeta.htm bully
        1. bask
          bask 3 February 2013 22: 01
          +2
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          the owners of the newspaper are St. Petersburg media tycoon Yuri Kovalchuk and the Sogaz group

          QUESTION No. 1 WHAT with &&& and these companies will organize. No. 2 Where does the GDP look ....... The rest is pi ... pi ... pi ...
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 3 February 2013 22: 12
            +3
            bask, Let the United Russia party "preach" this Ilya Kiselyov at a party meeting am !
            1. bask
              bask 3 February 2013 23: 08
              +1
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              the wasps will "preach" this Ilya Kiselyov at the party meeting

              In the face, for them the easiest punishment. angry
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 3 February 2013 23: 31
                +1
                Well, we are merciful people, let's give them another chance laughing
  5. CCA
    CCA 3 February 2013 08: 17
    +6
    Quote: Nymp
    For some reason, whenever our industry creates cool cars, there are "independent" media and "competent sources" throwing mud at our designers and industrialists.
    To the point ... These "unnamed competent sources" have already got it ... It's time to impose restrictions on articles in the media, the authors who refer to such "sources" ... ...
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 3 February 2013 08: 59
      +4
      Looking to the wall ..... !!
  6. zhvn
    zhvn 3 February 2013 08: 47
    -5
    Tu-204 only in the picture is good. He has major problems, at least remember the APU’s meager resource - many times lower than Amer’s.
    1. Horde
      Horde 3 February 2013 09: 30
      +4
      Quote: zhvn
      He has major problems, at least remember the APU’s meager resource - many times lower than Amer’s.


      and you don’t lie for an hour? link please
      1. VAF
        VAF 3 February 2013 11: 30
        +7
        Quote: Horde
        and you don’t lie for an hour? link please


        Lying and at the same time godless! +! drinks

        Ask him. what is the Armed Forces of Ukraine and .. "what is it eaten with" and let him give data on TA-6, TG-16, Ru-19, TA-12, TA-18: wink

        And his pearl .. "scanty resource" ????? Actually ... not even words ....!

        Or again .. "inhabitants" flooded? wassat
        1. Armata
          Armata 3 February 2013 11: 37
          +5
          Quote: vaf
          Lying and at the same time godless! +!
          Hi Sergey Hi guys. And you read his 7 comments that he spat out. Nothing concrete, so the water is for the sake of discord on the site.
          1. VAF
            VAF 3 February 2013 12: 19
            +6
            Quote: Mechanic
            And you read it 7 komenty which he spat out


            Hi Zhenya! I have not heard or seen for a long time .... How did I go to TsAGI and to the LII? wink

            I won't even read, everything is immediately clear and understandable to me, by the first "letters" of his pearl ... I wrote there earlier and earlier ... "who is hu" wink

            1. Armata
              Armata 3 February 2013 12: 35
              14
              Sergei. This time I went for new machines in Ryazan and Ivanovo. But our employee went to SibNIA. Duck I went nuts they have a salary of about 7000 on average. And how do people work there? But once again I was convinced that Moscow is a corrupt dump. Count me with a Fanuka pimpled boy begins to tell that you need to make an appointment with him, and then he type will call me to a meeting at the specified time. Yes, he would go a distant forest, it’s easier for me to order through Taiwan, they will bring, teach, and set everything up for free.
              1. Botanologist
                Botanologist 3 February 2013 15: 38
                +5
                But once again I was convinced that Moscow is a corrupt dump

                Kutuzov was right - to save Russia, Moscow must be burned yes
        2. Horde
          Horde 3 February 2013 12: 23
          +3
          Quote: vaf
          Lying and at the same time godless! +


          Sergey welcome! the word "scanty" in relation to our aircraft - the wrong word immediately aroused suspicion. I have never heard that our planes would have any problems with the APU.

        3. common man
          common man 3 February 2013 16: 34
          0
          WHAT ARE WE DOING YOU BAD?
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 3 February 2013 19: 25
            +1
            WHAT ARE WE DOING YOU BAD?

            Are you talking about Moscow? Yes, only money was taken from the country by themselves, and that’s all. You don’t have to work at all - sit, drank the taxes collected and budget transfers, let’s go for kickbacks, and it’s not bad for everyone. And so - what good can you remember?
            1. common man
              common man 3 February 2013 19: 57
              +1
              I’m actually from the Northern Urals. And in Moscow there are no ordinary people, there are menchandazers, hu ... dizers and other effective managers.
    2. Director
      Director 3 February 2013 11: 18
      +2
      without supporting its production, the APU will never be normal ..
      1. VAF
        VAF 3 February 2013 12: 41
        +4
        Quote: director
        never APU will be normal ..


        Aerosila always released normal APU good

        4000-6000 cycles at 15 000-20 000 hours of operation ...... engines do not have such a resource wink except turboprop of course soldier
  7. StolzSS
    StolzSS 3 February 2013 08: 47
    0
    This is because we are too soft people it is high time to level the western hemisphere with a nuclear strike and let them blather later ...
  8. Horde
    Horde 3 February 2013 09: 17
    +7
    eh if still put on TU-204 NK-93 would be a MIRACLE PLANE !!! but the Tupolevs wanted to do so.
    PUTINSKAYA RUSSIA-THE STATE OF THE READY !!!

    as for the Moscow Region, the stool left, but the problems are the same. The circus left, the clowns remained.
    1. Nechai
      Nechai 3 February 2013 13: 48
      +4
      So NK-93y and the new Ulyanovsk IL 76 do not even think to consider in the future. Why does the Russian aviation industry have competitive advantages? No, this is not their (hand-breeding authority) path. It’s not profitable for us to produce anything here. If the amers could at least be bad, but they could do an analogue of NK-33 themselves, then the NTK Kuznetsovskoye would have completely and irrevocably consumed b.
      1. Armata
        Armata 3 February 2013 13: 56
        +4
        Quote: Nechai
        Ulyanovsk Il 76 do not think even to consider in the future.
        Hello Valery. So on Il we will finish the stand for the glider in February.
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 3 February 2013 15: 43
          +3
          So on Il we will finish the stand for the glider in February

          The mechanic, what about Il, confirmed the MO orders? And then something other than Sil, we have nothing left to transport ...
          1. Armata
            Armata 3 February 2013 16: 01
            +3
            Quote: Botanologist
            The mechanic, what about Il, confirmed the MO orders? And then something other than Sil, we have nothing left to transport ...
            Well, then the car is extremely good. And what against Ilyushin do you have? Yes, and they begin to do it, only not in the Defense Ministry, but in civilian versions.
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 3 February 2013 16: 35
              +5
              And what against Ilyushin do you have?

              What are you, two hands. I'm worried that again some ... eccentric ... from the government or the Ministry of Defense does not start talking about the benefits of a hyperspace destroyer, and under this brand they will be suspended "until they are brought into compliance." As it was, unfortunately.
  9. askort154
    askort154 3 February 2013 09: 24
    11
    If the government in the near future does not turn to face the problems of the aircraft industry of transport aircraft, then this industry, lying on its side, will never get on its feet. Western aircraft rivals successfully used the situation of the general mess of the 90s, after the collapse of the USSR, Boeing began to lobby its entry into the Russian market powerfully using the close friends of Yeltsin - Shaposhnikov, Okulov (son-in-law), Berezovsky. The result is obvious. - aircraft stopped building, MGA and MAP were disbanded, educational institutions for training aviation specialists were reduced by 90%. Starting in 2000, the country began to come to life. First
    the turn had to be invested in social and defense of the country, that is - not up to aviation. Now the money has appeared, but the state program
    to restore the aviation industry is not observed.
    There is a "shuffling" from side to side - either to build their own, or with
    Ukraine, whether with India, the monopoly of Pagosyan, stalled. Already going
    to attract foreign pilots (lobbying, again Aeroflot) Transport aviation (including GA) was the Air Force's hot reserve.
    And what now, in case of war, we will carry out the transfer of troops
    on Voyings and A-shahs, with foreign pilots at the helm ?!
    1. VAF
      VAF 3 February 2013 12: 50
      +6
      Quote: askort154
      Already going
      attract foreign pilots (lobbying, again Aeroflot)


      Sasha, welcome! +! drinks Here ... "caricature" .. but accurately characterizes the current state of affairs with flight training of personnel among citizens ....... THIS is so to speak .... reality, unfortunately! crying

      1. askort154
        askort154 3 February 2013 13: 34
        +3
        Quote ..vaf ... Sasha, welcome!

        Sergey, mutually!
        There was a case, before, a weakling cadet, clearly explained - "it's easier to teach
        fly a monkey than you. "It's easier now, now flying operators.
    2. Moritz
      Moritz 3 February 2013 20: 19
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      after the collapse of the USSR, the Boeing began to powerfully lobby for its penetration into the Russian market using the close friends of Yeltsin - Shaposhnikov, Okulov (son-in-law), Berezovsky. The result is obvious. - aircraft stopped building, MGA and MAP were disbanded, educational institutions for training aviation specialists were reduced by 90%. Starting in 2000, the country began to come to life

      only the heyday of Boeing in Russia was no longer at the time of EBN. And it’s already 14 years since there aren’t those whom you listed, but you don’t see anything at the end of the tunnel
  10. valokordin
    valokordin 3 February 2013 09: 29
    11
    Quote: zhvn
    Tu-204 only in the picture is good. He has major problems, at least remember the APU’s meager resource - many times lower than Amer’s.

    And that the resource cannot be extended TU 95 flies for 60 years and everything is fine, but the TU-104 was an ideal plane? Everything can be refined and corrected if there is political will. The purchase of foreign aircraft products is a betrayal of the interests of the motherland. It not only smells like this here. And where is the promised "Pogost-100" Superpuper.
    1. VAF
      VAF 3 February 2013 11: 36
      +4
      Quote: valokordin
      And that the resource cannot be extended



      It does not need to be renewed .. there is a resource and between overhaul and designated at least ... well .... eat! +! : good

      The person simply blurted out according to the ignorant ... and if truth be told, then ... another Super-Duper promoter .. bring APU on it - HONEYWELL: bully !!!

      So everything is simple and prosaic!

      To the author for the article +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ !!!!! drinks
  11. Averias
    Averias 3 February 2013 10: 19
    10
    It is time to prohibit the media when writing articles to refer to "anonymous sources, as well as those who wished to remain unknown, to any competent anonymous sources." Where are they competent? If you think your words are true, why hide? How do many media differ from prostitutes - but nothing. The impudence, not the competence of journalists, sometimes knows no boundaries. Sensation, sensation at any cost. It's time to impose tough sanctions on these hackers. He deliberately wrote a lie - get it in full, made public a "fried" fact, not confirmed by anything - please answer. I want to give a tiny example, yesterday I watched a transmission from boredom, it means that there was a speech about synchrophasatrons, about elementary particles, in general, serious physics. And the presenter simply called - a neutron - a neuron! It is understandable, because he still does not understand what he is talking about.
    1. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 3 February 2013 22: 33
      +2
      I read this "duck" a month ago. The article was written after the fact, just to unsubscribe - just those who are trying to ruin our aviation industry to the end were a little late with their actions and will now screw up everything they can on Tu-214 and Tu-334, and Il-96, etc. Pogosyanovskaya corporation is the mountain that gave birth to the mouse. I just wonder when the Americans cut off the supply of engines for the SSJ-100, what will they do?
  12. R1a1
    R1a1 3 February 2013 10: 32
    +2
    War of financial interests and common sense. The eternal problem. Cure can only be the invention of the perpetual motion machine.
    1. Horde
      Horde 3 February 2013 10: 37
      +1
      R1a1,
      War of financial interests and common sense. The eternal problem. Cure can only be the invention of the perpetual motion machine


      what zaum, but more specifically please?
  13. Tu-214R
    Tu-214R 3 February 2013 10: 35
    +8
    Maxon, post the article on Twitter to Rogozin, he is a straightforward person, with all the consequences ...
    1. Moritz
      Moritz 3 February 2013 20: 21
      -1
      Quote: Tu-214P
      Maxon, post the article on Twitter to Rogozin, he is a straightforward person, with all the consequences ...

      he is a man of the system that generated it
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 3 February 2013 22: 22
        +1
        Tu-214R, I wish you to become a marshal, and your "namesake" Schaub flew! drinks
        1. Tu-214R
          Tu-214R 6 February 2013 19: 43
          0
          Thank you for your good wishes, we will definitely fly.
  14. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 3 February 2013 10: 38
    13
    The situation is vaguely reminiscent of the one in which the Nizhny Novgorod "Tiger" once found itself - the Ministry of Defense gave the plant TTZ, and when the finished vehicle began to arrive, the Ministry of Defense made claims to the plant that the "Tiger" in its performance characteristics did not correspond to the "realities of modern war" ... And then, like the devil from a snuff-box, an Ivekovian miracle with a short name "Lynx" arose. And somehow we immediately quickly agreed on a license, and quickly found production areas ...
    But then there was a field hater, hated by everyone, Anatole Taburetkin. But now it’s not there, but there is Hero of Russia Shoigu S.K. And he, this very Shoigu S.K. sort of like a real man, and he kind of declared that they would not buy imports ...
    But not even half a year has passed and it is planned to buy Italian (again!) Helicopters worth 21 million for the transportation of general asses. green american money ...
    I will say one thing - a strange move. But sympathy for the former "chief rescuer" collapsed to the level of cockroach paws ...

    And now to the Tu-214 ... Everyone probably remembers the catastrophe in which the Yaroslavl “Locomotive” died (and let the earth rest in peace), and then what kind of cleaning went through all the airlines. Some were deprived of their licenses. This list also includes "KavMinVody-Avia" - the largest operator of Tu-204 and Tu-214 aircraft in the region. It is all the more strange that in the entire history of the company (which is 20 years), only one serious incident has occurred on its aircraft. And then the plane continued its flight and landed safely at the airport of Mineralnye Vody ...
    In a word, this is a strange and muddy story ...

    And now, directly about the situation with the Tu-214R. And the situation is more than entertaining ... But in order to understand (well, at least a little) one must ask the question - who is actually beneficial to it ...?
    And it is beneficial to all kinds of potential enemies (well, this is understandable and understandable), foreign manufacturers (Tu's competitors in this segment), and ... the "effective manager" Misha Poghosyan (Knight of the Order of Italy), who does not know where to attach his innovative, but no one needs "Super-Jet-100" ...
    And for some reason, the last assumption seems to be the most plausible and close to the truth ...
    1. Horde
      Horde 3 February 2013 11: 06
      +4
      Chicot 1,
      I will say one thing - a strange move. But sympathy for the former "chief rescuer" collapsed to the level of cockroach paws.


      probably all strange decisions, mental attempts are not ministers' creativity, but everything rests on the "factor of stability" of our state, and I would even say the subject of stability, but we have stability, that is, they have only one "DO NOT LET IT OUT"
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 3 February 2013 11: 13
      +6
      Quote: Chicot 1
      The situation is vaguely reminiscent of the one

      Good health, Vasily! It does not remotely resemble, but specifically shows that this is the most natural Khlestakovism ...
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 3 February 2013 13: 31
        +3
        And good health to you, Victor!

        But this is no longer Khlestakovism. This is insanity. Moreover, in its last, chronic and incurable stage ...
  15. Lakkuchu
    Lakkuchu 3 February 2013 10: 46
    +9
    The main enemy of Russia is its own corrupt, corrupt bureaucracy, they are the main brake on the country's development. Here in whose ranks it is necessary to do a general cleansing, only there is nobody. The SYSTEM will not fight with itself.
  16. wolk71
    wolk71 3 February 2013 10: 58
    +2
    It seems to me that this is another provocation. Provocation , which is aimed at once again everyone rushing to scold the Moscow region, they say new ones have come, but they are not going to revive the army anyway.
  17. Budilnik
    Budilnik 3 February 2013 11: 11
    +4
    And ILs what are the reliable 76th. 86th 96! It is quite obvious that there is a companion against an industry that is the engine of technological progress in the state ... Only nationalization will save. private companies all belong to persons of mainly the same nationality
  18. avt
    avt 3 February 2013 11: 17
    +3
    Quote: wolk71
    It seems to me that this is another provocation. The provocation, which is aimed at once again all rushing to scold the MO, they say new ones have come, but they are not going to revive the army anyway.

    No . This is a direct sabotage.
  19. zhvn
    zhvn 3 February 2013 11: 20
    0
    Horde
    I'll give you a link. No offense, most offended.
  20. arnulla
    arnulla 3 February 2013 11: 27
    +3
    Logically, it has long been obvious that they completely coincide with those described in the article above ... Previously, this was called sabotage against the state !!!
  21. BARKAS
    BARKAS 3 February 2013 11: 40
    +1
    Not so long ago, the program "POLYGON" appeared on TV, a rather interesting and modern Tu-214, and other weapons may become a topic for the next programs.
  22. pechv
    pechv 3 February 2013 11: 49
    +3
    Regarding the campaigners against Russian aircraft. Everyone somehow forgot about the flight accident that happened with a plane from the TU family on which DAM flew. So he scolded Russian equipment live, threatened that if you didn’t correct yourself and learn to work normally (I can’t literally transmit it from memory), we’ll buy, they say, normal equipment. Good reason. Serious players are participating in this campaign. Among them, it seems to me, one of the most important is Russian state television. I will not point a finger at the canal, but the bacchanalia that they arranged after the Red Wings accident cannot be explained. Moreover, the silence about the problems faced by a dreamy airliner is incomprehensible.

    Recall also about mercury lamps, which, under the tremendous pressure of the first persons of the state, have sucked in to us, and it becomes clear who determines the market priorities.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 3 February 2013 12: 01
      +3
      Quote: pechv
      So he scolded Russian equipment live

      It’s with a fright that you can’t say hysterical; other air vents on the plane begin to look, it happens. laughing
    2. stranik72
      stranik72 3 February 2013 12: 30
      +2
      Well, the LADIES had reasons, imagine, you are sitting in the toilet and suddenly your light goes out. And you go out into the room (salon) and there is no light there either, but it's night outside. Indeed, the build quality of aircraft No. 1 is and was not very good, and this is a fact, but for some reason it was not "studied" at the proper level.
  23. Windbreak
    Windbreak 3 February 2013 12: 16
    +1
    If Izvestia does not pour mud, then its little things with unnamed sources for some reason do not cause doubt among people. http://topwar.ru/23453-ministerstvo-oborony-ispytaet-protivosputnikovyy-kompleks
    -krona.html
  24. builder74
    builder74 3 February 2013 12: 16
    +3
    The worst thing is that in any field there is no meaningful and comprehensive state policy: education, the development of the economy as a whole, the development of individual industries, in particular, the fight against terrorists, etc. The impression is that everywhere there is a clan struggle that does not allow moving forward . I read the books of aircraft designer Yakovlev-Stalin for many years took the time to personally meet with aircraft designers to discuss the development of aviation, and as others write, it was not only with aviation!
  25. Vako
    Vako 3 February 2013 12: 26
    +3
    It’s time to take up the domestic banking system. In such structures there is no place for liberal rules: market permissiveness up to bankruptcy for the benefit of individuals .... Our whole country, our enterprises, people depend on it ....... Everything that is influenced by the market, sooner or later will be sold.
    Our country is not a commodity, not a bargain!
  26. Rrrrr
    Rrrrr 3 February 2013 12: 42
    +3
    Bitches, their own. One of the last domestic aircraft is being killed. The Chinese are slapping him, they will fly and sell around the world, but be proud. Where everyone is looking.

    You need to fix through the tax accounts of those who are from non-profit organizations, they are making transfers to them) for what kind of research they receive money for) and see who finances these non-profit organizations. Outright this is a Boeing and Airbus. The same scheme works with decision makers in UTair, Aeroflot and Russia.
  27. stranik72
    stranik72 3 February 2013 12: 51
    +3
    The Vnukovo disaster "helped the plane a lot", only facts and nothing more; “During the second landing, the Tu crew could not stand the mode and approached the runway at an increased speed, for this reason, they landed with a flight of 950 meters at an increased speed on one bogie, the strut was not compressed; the reverse in the machine did not turn on, as well as left, here they tried to turn on the reverse in manual mode, and the speed of the increased rack was not compressed and again it did not turn on. And it's not scary to release spoilers in manual mode (this is the duty of B / S) and everything would not even roll out of the lane, and so panic in the crew and EVERYTHING. The fault of the technique is probably if B.I had a hammer behind his head and he hit him on the head at that moment then there would be no problems, but so. It is because of such "little things" that an airplane lives and dies. Although remember in Irkutsk, due to the failure of the reverse, the Airbus plane seems to crash into garages and 60 people died. Nobody kicked the plane.
    1. VAF
      VAF 3 February 2013 14: 38
      +6
      Quote: stranik72
      only facts and nothing more; “With a second approach, the Tu crew did not survive the regime and approached the lane at high speed, for this reason, made a landing with a flight of 950 meters at high speed on one cart,


      Eugene, +! But IAC was lying here too ... since the photo-facts speak of the following.

      1. Repeated approach ????? This is with 400 weather at 5 km ?????
      2. The approach was carried out not only at increased speed. but the scariest thing is .. HIGH:

      Here is the end of the strip (and there should already be alignment)



      This is a calculation of 750 meters (take a photo of the airport’s croc and compare)



      For more presentation of the picture ... here is the landing approach on the Tu-22M3, 350 meters to the end of the runway, and then ... is considered a high approach and the RP assistant at the UPC immediately gives a hint to the commander .... "High, high".

      Now compare with the height of the Tu-204's passage



      About everything else, I have already written several times: PROFESSIONALISM, ABSOLUTE UNPROFITABILITY of the crew! soldier
      1. Armata
        Armata 3 February 2013 16: 05
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        1. Repeated approach ????? This is with 400 weather at 5 km ?????
        2. The approach was carried out not only at increased speed. but the scariest thing is .. HIGH:
        Well, do you have Sergey the most cactus, landing on 3 points?
        1. VAF
          VAF 3 February 2013 21: 37
          +4
          Quote: Mechanic
          Well, do you have Sergey the most cactus, landing on 3 points?


          Eugene is not .k. it’s only for transporters, and even then .. if it’s empty (there is very little cargo or UTP flights in the BTA, or flyby after repairing or replacing engines) there yes.

          And here we have ... the highest chic is ... unscrew all the wheels of the main racks (if the big car) one by one, and on small ones it’s to sit down so that there is no smoke from the contact of the tires with concrete and that then K3-63 at registration showed an overload of less than 1,3! fellow

          But here it is necessary to be more careful with the front foot, because. at the expense of the stabilizer, you hold the car until the extreme moment of the speed drop (less than 100km / h) and lower your nose, or you can swipe it and .. it’s applied, then then keep pi .. train. well for analysis. JUICE will show ku over 3 units! wassat

          examples:

          1. How not to do it! Landing with a calculation of less than 50m (it's so official), but in fact .. stupidly dropped, because. picked up speed early and did not support, and plopped down with a glide path. wassat

          a typical mistake of young pilots on independent sorties ... summary: on parsing ... piz..dyu ..... lina, and after preliminary in the base for alcohol the crew gets white nitro paint and paints a "zebra" with the whole composition (paints over the tire tracks "Zebra" is very clearly visible in the photo. just on it and flopped ... wooden black and red shields are 50 meters from the end of the runway soldier



          And now, examples .. how to do it fellow CLASSICS AND SKILL good soldier





      2. stranik72
        stranik72 3 February 2013 20: 41
        +3
        Absolutely in the "hole" accidentally on Friday in the MAK-e this radio exchange with you was not discussed. smile
  28. engineer74
    engineer74 3 February 2013 13: 26
    +2
    It’s clear where the legs grow from!
    In the next publication, Izvestia will write that the GRU urgently requires the development of the SSJ-100R, which is superior to the TU-214R in all respects. lol
  29. Avenger711
    Avenger711 3 February 2013 13: 29
    +2
    "News"? You don't have to read further.
  30. toguns
    toguns 3 February 2013 13: 52
    0
    wassat Question: The author of the article suffers from a persecution mania ???
    gives a price war between the customer and the manufacturer for the machinations of foreign intelligence services :(
    Ruklitso what else can I say.
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 3 February 2013 14: 53
      +3
      This is not a price war, but corruption. Any bureaucrat wants to get a rollback in the amount of 10% of the cost of a Boeing ... for such a thing, it’s not a bad thing to take over the national aviation industry ...
  31. Nechai
    Nechai 3 February 2013 13: 56
    +5
    Quote: askort154
    And what now, in case of war, we will carry out the transfer of troops

    Do you think rulers are still planning such options? Like the organization of the rebuff in general? Not a new look, it was not created for that ...
  32. marshes
    marshes 3 February 2013 14: 09
    +3
    Father flew on the IL-20, positive reviews. smile
    Its board was surpassed in Odessa in 1988, after which the fate of the aircraft was not known. According to some sources, in the 90s Ukraine left for repair debts in the Russian Federation, on the other board it fell to the Georgians and they were flooded in the Black Sea.
    Product 11604, 1974. Over time, he learned that this idea was an unauthorized part in which he served. The part himself from Odessa immigrated to the United States, in the 90s.
  33. barbell
    barbell 3 February 2013 14: 29
    +1
    there is a proverb: listen to a woman and do the opposite. applicable to this situation, you can change it a bit: read Izvestia, and draw a conclusion.
  34. wax
    wax 3 February 2013 14: 33
    +4
    Rogozin - to the studio!
  35. APASUS
    APASUS 3 February 2013 14: 59
    +2
    Already GRU dragged into their squabbles !!
    It is not clear where anyone is looking when the planes order ???
  36. kontrol
    kontrol 3 February 2013 16: 10
    +2
    the struggle with the domestic aircraft industry and with the industry in general continues. It seems that it is accelerating, and not only in aviation. Noodles are bringing us a lot of different media. The only interesting thing is where? We raise, improve, accelerate one chatter-talk, and continue to destroy everything in kind I’m afraid Rogozin will not help either. All the same, he is on their team, otherwise he would have been imprisoned for a long time or something else.
  37. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 3 February 2013 16: 49
    +3
    <<< It (TU-214R) is completely up to par, modern avionics makes it possible to do without a flight engineer, the glider is very modern with excellent aerodynamics, economical engines. And it costs 2,5-3 times less than its Western counterpart. What else is needed? And you need a bank loan for its leasing. Our air carrier will not receive it. But he can easily get an old Boeing on lease. >>>
    So many beautiful words were said at the very top about the development of the domestic aircraft industry. Maybe it's time to do something concrete, or all these issues will still be resolved by the ubiquitous and influential Boeing-Airbus LOBBY and the "statist" managers Ovnosyan, day and night thinking how to "raise" the Russian aviation industry. After all, it is now possible to stop all this influential crowd of ITSELY worried about the aviation problems of Russia only by making appropriate decisions AT THE TOP with the simultaneous "clearing" of the runway for the domestic aviation industry from all the above-mentioned shobla "well-wishers !!!



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  38. stranik72
    stranik72 3 February 2013 20: 36
    +1
    Soon an amendment to the Air Code and other regulatory documents will be signed, according to which it will be possible to fly in the skies of Russia in our ACs for state-starter pilots, "business considers it cheaper."
  39. oSB
    oSB 3 February 2013 20: 55
    +2
    As a regular reader of this resource, I always observe the same picture:
    1. The amazing news media Izvestia issues another pearl from an unnamed source.
    2. The site begins a fierce struggle with the appeals of all truths and truths.
    3. Accusations against the Moscow Region and the government corps shouting that they had emitted polymers.
    4. At the same time, the overwhelming half agrees that Izvestia again lied)))))
    Conclusion, so can ban the mention on the site of news marked with "Izvestia"? So to say equate to obscenities and disrespectful communication to the opponent!
    1. arnulla
      arnulla 3 February 2013 21: 33
      +1
      Izvestia, of course, is turning more and more into slag. But the spread rot of the Russian aircraft industry for the sake of the Airbus and Boeing does not change this ...